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Do not 'besmirch' Mandela name

By Sapa  | Jul 05, 2013 | COMMENTS [ 151 ]

"Please, please, please may we think not only of ourselves. It's almost like spitting in Madiba's face," Tutu said in a statement.

Former president Nelson Mandela's family must not "besmirch" his name, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said on Thursday.

"Please, please, please may we think not only of ourselves. It's almost like spitting in Madiba's face," Tutu said in a statement.

"Your anguish, now, is the nation's anguish -- and the world's. We want to embrace you, to support you, to shine our love for Madiba through you."

Tutu asked the family to dig deep within themselves to find the grace that Mandela and the country deserved at this time.

Mandela's grandson Mandla Mandela launched a scathing attack on his family on Thursday after the Eastern Cape High Court ordered him to give up the bones of his father and two other relatives.

On Wednesday, the court ordered him to return the remains of his grandfather's three children to Qunu from Mvezo, where he moved them two years ago.

The remains were those of Mandela's eldest son Madiba Thembekile, who died in a car accident in 1969; Mandla Mandela's father Makgatho Mandela, who died in 2005; and Mandela's first daughter Makaziwe Mandela, who died as an infant in 1948.

The bones were re-buried at a ceremony at a gravesite at Nelson Mandela's home in Qunu on Thursday afternoon.

   

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Dandan
RobinX
Some of us ARE able to think like fully grown humans........................."

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Traditional leaders are well recognised in our Const , Chapeter 12 , who are you to go against them, according to protocol and african tradition once a leader has spoken we all abide by the statement of the leader unless you still have that apartheid mentality that came here to disrespect our traditional leaders and cultures
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That is why we need to do an 'EGYPT' and suspend our constitution, with the view to amend it. Cretinous parasites like your traditional thieves need to be taken out, we live in a REPUBLIC and our constitution need to reflect as such. We are tired of feeding those parasites and leeches, if they were living on your farm and eating your food, then, that would be fine. Why do you expect us to keep feeding them????

Jul 05, 2013 10:54 | 0 replies

Ye madoda kunento endixakayo...uMandla ususe amathambo wowabeka eMvezo...Amathambo akanokuze asuswe kungakhange kubekho imisebenzi kuqala kuxhelwe..Inkomo yengubo surely yenziwa emva koko kubakho inkomo yombuyisa.....Then ke ngoku ungayixhela lankomo yosusa amathambo and laNkomo unobangela ixhelwe ixhelwa kuba kuzakuyiwa emangcwabeni kuyothethwa naye axelelwe ukuba uzakususwa apho ame khona ayobekwa kwenye indawo..Umbuzo wam kengoku kungokuba uMakaziwe ebesithi kwenziwa ntoni lonke elixesha????Ebesitya inyama qhaa yena engayazi ukuba yeyantoni???Aphi amaxhego alefamily azocacisa izinto kwezintombi???

Jul 05, 2013 11:49 | 0 replies

@ montlenyane

As brother Dubul'Amanzi highlights to you,

Makaziwe should be more interested in the Ghananian family, If you listen to the midea briefing from Mandla, Madiba used to sit with all the boys in the table (not girls, because madiba knows that girl dont carry forth the family name nor carry forth the existence of the mandela surname) and asked each and every one of them "who wants to be a viilage boy?' all rejected and by so you consulted Mandla and honoured him the wisdom and chieftaincy position. Again he (madiba) asked at a later stage who wants to dispute his decision that Mandla will be the next family head (remeber no girls were present still) and no one objected, hence Mandla moved permanently to EC from Joburg to start serving his people. Again, in the media briefing Mandla did explain that Madiba said he wanted to be laid in Qunu next to his parents, so why should mandla dispute that, he never did. Well if you are a good observer you will notice that madiba never included women in the leadership of the family, A true cultural man knows that women in the family are only passerbys, therefore cannot be given the chieftancy position nor the family head position, furthermore, whilst Madiba was still strong and firm he never ordered the bodies to be brought back to Qunu because he knows the processes of relocating the dead needs to be confirmed with the ancestors first before anything is done to the graves, and until they have messaged the ancesters that the bodies will be moved and it is only then they can move the bodies. It is very unfortunate that a women (like Makaziwe) lead the campaign of moving the bodies without even formally addressing the spirits before they move the bodies, i pity her coz all will come back to her. You dont do such to the spirits, just digg the bodies and leave, anyway only the bodies have departed but the spirit remains because no righteous cultural rituals were followed. This makaziwe just do anyhow without consult and interfere manly processes. she will find herself in future, thats how the great xhosa saying goes



Jul 05, 2013 11:53 | 0 replies

Aijaman


lol, amaxhosa noku xoka is number 1

Jul 05, 2013 11:54 | 0 replies

Dzel
Dubul'Amanzi

I'm not ignorant but realistic, who said under Mandla Mandela's wish won'd be followed, Makaziwe? Well saying the rest of the family is behind Makize say's a lot about that family, i think they hate Mandla because he's a heir.
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Your reasoning skills leaves a lot to be desired, your understanding of culture sad. Given that Makgatho is the only son who had male kids hence one of his kids should be the rightful heir what does the rest of the family stand to gain by being jealous of Mandla?

The way you guys reason is disappointing, it is no surprise all of you are staunch ANC supporters inspite of poor performance.
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I will prefer that you leave me alone I was not talking to you..

Jul 05, 2013 11:55 | 0 replies

Dandan
skwamasamabele


I think Im more educated than you blutty fool, pce of sh!t
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You??!! Educated??? have you ever been to a primary school at all??? I've read most of your blogs and you dont come across as intelligent or educated at all. Hamba uyolusa izimbuzi zikanyoko. You'd be lucky to even own a shack, its a shame you cant buy a brain, Mr 2 goats and 3 chickens

Jul 05, 2013 11:56 | 0 replies

montlenyane
Dubul'Amanzi
montlenyane
@Dubul'Amanzi

I'm not ignorant but realistic, who said under Mandla Mandela's wish won'd be followed, Makaziwe? Well saying the rest of the family is behind Makize say's a lot about that family, i think they hate Mandla because he's a heir.
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@Dubul'Amanzi

Which wish, are you talking about the one that Mandla has in his mind and his alone " that they should be burried in Mveso". and that's the thing " You think the hate Mandla because he is a heir", now you are certainly not being realistic

If the whole family is against Mandla, it shows that he is being arrogant and unruly, and belive me it is not only the family that is suprised by his reaction, even the elders are.
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Let's wait and see...

Jul 05, 2013 11:57 | 0 replies

Let us not be personal, bloggers. The Q is.... y did they for 2 years to fight Mandla? ..and most timingly when Madiba cant voice his views.

Jul 05, 2013 11:59 | 0 replies

I frankly don’t give a damn about the Mandela name, they are nothing to me and I`m nothing to them. I am not idolising anyone in this world, the only people important to me are my family and friends that it.

Jul 05, 2013 12:0 | 0 replies

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@ montlenyane

As brother Dubul'Amanzi highlights to you,

Makaziwe should be more interested in the Ghananian family, If you listen to the midea briefing from Mandla, Madiba used to sit with all the boys in the table (not girls, because madiba knows that girl dont carry forth the family name nor carry forth the existence of the mandela surname) and asked each and every one of them "who wants to be a viilage boy?' all rejected and by so you consulted Mandla and honoured him the wisdom and chieftaincy position. Again he (madiba) asked at a later stage who wants to dispute his decision that Mandla will be the next family head (remeber no girls were present still) and no one objected, hence Mandla moved permanently to EC from Joburg to start serving his people. Again, in the media briefing Mandla did explain that Madiba said he wanted to be laid in Qunu next to his parents, so why should mandla dispute that, he never did. Well if you are a good observer you will notice that madiba never included women in the leadership of the family, A true cultural man knows that women in the family are only passerbys, therefore cannot be given the chieftancy position nor the family head position, furthermore, whilst Madiba was still strong and firm he never ordered the bodies to be brought back to Qunu because he knows the processes of relocating the dead needs to be confirmed with the ancestors first before anything is done to the graves, and until they have messaged the ancesters that the bodies will be moved and it is only then they can move the bodies. It is very unfortunate that a women (like Makaziwe) lead the campaign of moving the bodies without even formally addressing the spirits before they move the bodies, i pity her coz all will come back to her. You dont do such to the spirits, just digg the bodies and leave, anyway only the bodies have departed but the spirit remains because no righteous cultural rituals were followed. This makaziwe just do anyhow without consult and interfere manly processes. she will find herself in future, thats how the great xhosa saying goes
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Amen That's what I called culture.

Jul 05, 2013 12:0 | 0 replies

Makaziwe is really forgetting important issues and I blame parents for not teaching their children Xhosa traditions...Makaziwe has no way to intervene in the Mandela issues even make decisions....(I know other people who are not Xhosas will never understand this instead they will argue something they dnt know doing the same thing that is done by these people. Discussing Mandela issues while you nolonger belong there)Just an example: Uthi ikhukho lakhe uMakaziwe liphelela phi???Ukwenda kwakhe kumhla waphuma nekhukho lakhe...Ikwalela khukho azohlala kulo mhla kwabhubha indoda yakhe..Xa yena ezakuzibuyisa kungokuba uzakuphindela njani emzini???Akazutelekwa.....

I bet Makaziwe thinks that she also have a right to do Xhosa rituals under the name Mandela while she has no right...If one day she will wish to do something..She will have to do it via iinkode zefamily in this case it will be Mandla...Its Mandla onokumela esibayeli athethe kungokuba kutheni kudityenwe not yena...

I bet Makaziwe would wish her son to do Xhosa tradition when the son is becoming a man under the name Mandela while she is not suppose to and she does not have a right...Ngumntana womtshato lo anaye ambiza ngoMandela instead of husband surname.....So many things that this Makaziwe need to be cleared to her so that she can understand Xhosa rituals than to blaff blaff blaff with no understanding....

Uthi ngelaxesha kuza uduli lisithi lizothatha uMakoti kwakusenziwani....The only thing that Makaziwe should do when she want to attend Mandela's rituals is to come back as intombi yasekhayeni....That simply means uza njengosisi azothetha and unite family hayi ugqiba kuba akayonto apha ekhayeni unomzi wakhe...Like it or not Makaziwe will ne be able to grow Mandela family simply because wendile...Uzalela emzini hayi ekhaya....

Madoda khanike niboniseni uMakaziwe..Uyabhuda ngoku!!!!

Jul 05, 2013 12:1 | 0 replies