TLekota

Eish I doubt it will work, just let them select their leadership. Don't dictate
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sekhebereshe

flushing out everything that is got to do with juju.
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ISIDINDI

"This comes a few days after ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe's scathing criticism of the league."
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The SG is now officially arrogant and I sense some 'what can you do to me or untouchable attitude' Hmm w'll see!
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Lord-Have-Mercy

Flush flush fush ANCYL NEC
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Dubul'Amanzi

"Clarence Maseko. "They say the league is ill-disciplined and doesn't listen. They want us to do what they want. This youth league is independent [from the ANC] in thought and execution, and that doesn't bode well with the leadership."
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Amen cde we will fight,we cannot be controlled by the Mantashe's,makuliwe.
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LeparaThePresident

This pronouncement were intended to test water whether the mothe rbody can force the ANCYL to electe new leadership since the current one is running the ANCYL parallel to the ANC. I think this invitable, by March there would a clear direction as to what is expected of the ANCYL by the ANC.
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lindsay

well you kiss ass you get extinct
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Tango

Mdu Manana must takeover
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TLekota

Ya the boys will fight amongst themselves. Lamola needs it. He must be wise if he miss this one he will never get it. Magaqa I don't know of you because the whole of KZN you are the enemy. Maybe join forces with NFP.
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LeparaThePresident

Dubul'Amanzi
"Clarence Maseko. "They say the league is ill-disciplined and doesn't listen. They want us to do what they want. This youth league is independent [from the ANC] in thought and execution, and that doesn't bode well with the leadership."
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Amen cde we will fight,we cannot be controlled by the Mantashe's,makuliwe
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Cdr @Dubu'lAmanzi, what you are saying is the core problem that would derail what the mangaung conference seeked to arrest and achieve. It sounds as if you are a pro-Motlanthe faction of which is not a crime according to the ANC constitution, but your atterences together with cdr Clarence Maseko they do not bode well to ANC and are clear deviation to the unity the ANC is preaching. I guess it is because of those attitude that the ANC as the motherbody to the league will end up with no choice at all but encforces all its regulations and principles to you ANCYL to either elect or reject.
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Dubul'Amanzi

LeparaThePresident
Dubul'Amanzi
"Clarence Maseko. "They say the league is ill-disciplined and doesn't listen. They want us to do what they want. This youth league is independent [from the ANC] in thought and execution, and that doesn't bode well with the leadership."
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Amen cde we will fight,we cannot be controlled by the Mantashe's,makuliwe
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Cdr @Dubu'lAmanzi, what you are saying is the core problem that would derail what the mangaung conference seeked to arrest and achieve. It sounds as if you are a pro-Motlanthe faction of which is not a crime according to the ANC constitution, but your atterences together with cdr Clarence Maseko they do not bode well to ANC and are clear deviation to the unity the ANC is preaching. I guess it is because of those attitude that the ANC as the motherbody to the league will end up with no choice at all but encforces all its regulations and principles to you ANCYL to either elect or reject.
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Cde not long ago cde Manuel warned about purging other comrades because they didn't support you,disbanding Yl is it a wise move?If the YL was supporting Zuma I dont think there was gonna be such a call.I think somehow we must not be selective, we saw many incident where delagates mock and boooo the opponents, was that according to you a unity?According to me disbanding the YL its not legitimate but rather a move to punish those who didnt follow.Maybe if you can give me a reason why the structure of the YL should be disbanded.
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zuluchick

start all over again and give back real meaning to what the ANCYL was all about

currently it has done nothing concerning the youuth so i dont see its purpose...other than that really its an extra and honestly an unnecessary entity....
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Ma-Bhova

Its the same top 6 that gave the yputh league such powers when they wanted to oust Mbeki, now they cant cry foul when ish hit the fans.
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LeparaThePresident

@CdeDubu'lAManzi,

I hear your point of view and believe me ,i detested those actions of booing Motlanthe and those stupid signals they where doing. But Cdr, i know you know that two wrongs do not translate into a right. I heard also that a complained was to be laid against those who provoked that booing tendencies. I am of the position that the ANCYL structures should not be collapsed, but be capacitated in such that the ANCYL and ANC are not parallel in ideas and concictions but swims torwards the same current to arrest the all fucntions of the ANC and that ANCYL should provide to ANC. I for one, is, the current ANCYL has no leadership hence the support they are giving to expelled ex-pres of ANCYL Julius Malema. I have no qualms in ANCYL supporting him, what they are doing is windowshopping their mandate in a faded cloudy non-existence shop, of which is pure mediocrazy. What you should have done, after the unfortunate thing of Malema and his cohoots were expelled, Julius should ahve told Ronald that you are the defacto pres of ANCYL, we are or the bilief that you will advance our convictions and steer the ANCYL to al our resolutions including Economic Fr33dom, Land expropriation.

But Julius thougth that it was only him who can advance those ideals.And you cde@Dubul' you failed to guide him.Now you have a problem when the ANC as a mother body tries to guide the ANCYL, you should have listen to all interviews of Ronald Lamola at the conference.I also think youabout the letters Julius, Floyd and Sindiso wrote to the conference, not forgettingh the attack Malema had on Ronald. Why did they jump the ANCYL representatives?
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Lord-Have-Mercy

DA must recruit Malema to be a DA youth leader instantly

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Zimzalabam1

Its been used in the past as some lap dog,now the dog is uncontrollable.
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FarCeSpotter

This is a move I would support. However I do not think it has to do with JuJu. In my mind it is more a situation where the ANCYL is not in sync with what needs to be done in this country.

We are about to (should be) embark on a massive and positive rebuilding and economic growth cycle. What the ANCYL is promoting is the opposite. They want "nationalise" and "take land". This is not conducive to growth and stability.

So unfortunately the YL is guilty of "group think" (yes influenced by JuJu's radical stance) and they have not sought informed and wise opinions. Instead they believe they are the "brain trust" and despite heavy proof that what they are promoting is rubbish, they are unwilling to learn.

If the ANC does not fix this now, they will have a problem in 5 to 10 years.

Sorry for the leaders of the YL, but this seems necessary.
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Dubul'Amanzi

@LeparaThePresident
" I heard also that a complained was to be laid against those who provoked that booing tendencies"

Well since when are we preaching the same thing,it happened in Polokwane and as thus it should have been avoided in Mangaung but instead the delagates continued to practice such behaviour. complaining to whoever how will it help,how will they track the culprits?

"What you should have done, after the unfortunate thing of Malema and his cohoots were expelled, Julius should ahve told Ronald that you are the defacto pres of ANCYL, we are or the bilief that you will advance our convictions and steer the ANCYL to al our resolutions including Economic Fr33dom, Land expropriation"

Ancyl was guided by the constitution of the Anc that the issue (of expulsion) can be raised in the election conference,unfortunately this issue did not manage to go to the plenary for them to debate about it.You should also remember that Malema and other cde's were directed by the Ancyl Nec,post expulsion the YL vow to rally behind their leaders and promised to take the matter to the NEC (in which they did), telling Lamola that you should take over, according to me define that you gave up.

".And you cde@Dubul' you failed to guide him.Now you have a problem when the ANC as a mother body tries to guide the ANCYL, you should have listen to all interviews of Ronald Lamola at the conference.I also think youabout the letters Julius, Floyd and Sindiso wrote to the conference, not forgettingh the attack Malema had on Ronald. Why did they jump the ANCYL representatives?
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Not that i have a problem with Anc when they try to guide the youth,in fact that was long overdue, they (Anc) failed to guide the youth league when it needed them.What is happening now according to my analysis of course people are being targeted for supporting Malema.Manana spoken against Magaqa and he got a nod from Zuma (deputy minister), now I wont be suprised if Manana is appointed as National task team leader if of course YL is disbanded (Proof read Tango post above).Why cant the Anc allow the YL to hold its NGC to get a direction from the branches instead of being opportunistic.
Lastly the letter which was written by Cde's was unfortunately, they should have put trust in the current leadership. In the case of Lamola there were so many rumours that "Ujikile" he is supporting Zuma and this maybe it was a reason why they didnt trust the leadership.
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Ngwana-Modimo-Feela

Good move-i would have done the same.

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vuyi1985

and pule mabe will be the new president ! this f@ken PASO thing
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MSG_S

Who cares whether they disband this league of spoilt brats or not.
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clevergirl

learn 2listen 2ur elders,u caneva seperate da uth liq frm da mada body.if u r not satis about da way tins r run witin dis mariage,go na le channel of communication,not 2 scream n la re tena ka dis nonsence of urs
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Ponko.Fontoyo

clevergirl
learn 2listen 2ur elders,u caneva seperate da uth liq frm da mada body.if u r not satis about da way tins r run witin dis mariage,go na le channel of communication,not 2 scream n la re tena ka dis nonsence of urs

Is that an English?
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MorenaWaPolelo

We called for this move a long time ago !!!!
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Tango

Eish, these YL drank Kgalema politcal career by making him believe that he will defeat JZ.
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Aijaman

This is not even suppose to be a debate...It's clear ANC is bullying ANCYL!!!

ANC got nothing to do with ANCYL leadership...What does AUTONOMY mean kanti???ANC should wait for ANCYL AGM.
Members of the ANCYL are the ones who got a right to disband the leadership or elect leadership of the ANCYL not the ANC itself.
This move is the move of the people who undermine the indepence of the ANCYL. Those who are raising this issue are the ones who don't know the history of ANC and the ANCYL with its constitution. What is suprising even more - These people are the delegates of this organisation but they don't know its history and constitution..Maybe just maybe - They never once become ANCYL members in their lifetime and they mis-interpret the whole thing..By being a member of the ANC does not mean you are member of ANCYL automaticaly. You have to join ANCYL to become a member. That alone simply illustrate the independance of ANCYL.
Just a question - What Peter Mokaba was fighting for when he was a president of ANCYL?Maybe we should ask these people then ask them what was the outcome?

Lastly I would like to clarify this : ANCYL is not South African Youth League. Please people get that into your mind. If you don't understand that you will always ask: What ANCYL has done for the youth of South Africa..You are confusing yourself. Speak to government about the youth of South Africa not ANCYL.
So lets discuss the function of the ANCYL within ANC structures and how important it is. If the ANCYL can stop radical movement that simply means its the death of liberal movement for our people.
MASS action to revolutionalise South Africa came from ANCYL and that was radical movement..Today we are talking economic freedom and to achieve that we have to be radical and influence the leadership of the ANC.
Zuma is like Dr Xuma even Dr Xuma was better than this cause he allowed ANCYL to excise its mandate..How?By letting himself excused when he feared radical action towards political freedom.
ANC has achieved political and social freedom but not economic freedom and we should not stop.
Long Live ANCYL long live
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Aijaman

and I repeat. This is not suppose to be debated nor entertaining it.

By debating this we are actually entertaining those who think they know it all and they can do everything without any-1 stopping them. YES no one will stop you but the constitution will unless you undermine the constitution of the organisation itself.

Let's not debate this it's obvious!!!!!!
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Dubul'Amanzi

Amandl cde Aijaman Amandla!!Long live Ancyl long live.Down with bullies down
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JoeMoerskont

This is the unity that Jacob Zuma talked about?
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LeparaThePresident

@Aijaman,

Cde Aijaman, point of correction,. I am not doing to delve into defination and try to clarify the obvious. Correct to say the ANCYL is not South African Youth League granted. Please cde @Aijman, educate the so called members of your league not to be dubious when they stand on platforms try to rely the ANCYL messages, they should stop, if they are representing the Youth of SA, the must categorically speak to only the ANCYL members in no uncertaion terms.

Secondly cde @Aijaman, the youth league of the ANC as understood its primary mandate, amd not the member thereof, was the espouse and entice radically the interest of South African Youth under the asupice umbrella of ANC as its motherbody. And to concomittedly advance the core mandate, both politcally,economically,socially, educationally the intrinsic tenate the ANC as a motherbody has defined. It should also as the structure of the ANC, seek to revitalises all the programmes that the ANC as its motherbody espouses to achieve.

Cde @Aijaman, if you present during the adoption of ANCYL policy programmes in June last year, and you where in plenary, why didn't , after you amend the constitution of ANCYL, submitted it to the mother =body to clarify the amendment. At Mangaung, it was proclaimed and pronounced that the ANCYL is a structure of ANC, together with ANCWL, as such, there is noway at any time would the ANCYL be independent to ANC, unless its on operational issues.

It is quiet clear that we read from the same book but our interpretation is vastly amophous and parallel.
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LeparaThePresident

JoeMoerskont
This is the unity that Jacob Zuma talked about?
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Yes it is, sir. by March ANCYL has to elect new NEC, not that the ANC will pin point/dictate the programmes,. It is a good healthy being to be on the same page especially when you reside in the same precinct.

I do not like the status quo so suggested but hey, sufficient consensor will prevail.

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Mossgado_

Axe those s-Holes... It's about time
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MasheleJ

No, no, no, this mussint happen!

I be waiting fer a loooong time now to learn how this economic freedom thing works!

I know it was, at that time, a Hitler mantra but he chose to invade Poland 'stead of revealing the mechanism and I wuz soooo chuffed when ol' Julian resurrected it - this be the stuff Nobel Prizes are awarded for!

Now it gonna be lost forever like 1000km/litre petrol, flying carpets and aliens from outa space.

Please say it ain't true, Julian...
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