ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola has come out in support of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi, calling him "the Chris Hani of our times".
One goes down and another pops up. Much as I admire Vavi in many ways, he has shown no interest in this, These twits need some kind of succession battle myth to keep their brains turning over. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
ApelMankotsana
I like it when he says "YCL is a conveyor belt of mesages from the SACP". So true. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
nhla75
@apelmankotsana YCL is a conveyor belt i agree that agent Buti Manamela. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
mambocha
Then the will be no more Etoling, no more Labour Brokering , no more Unnecessary petrol hike this remind me of the song of Peter Tosh , what will happen the day the dollar dies? Im looking forward to this day Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
The Youth League politics are so obvious and so boring!!! Now the mor0n's using a factionalism weapon by praising Vavi and hoping he will support their quest. Though I agree with what he's saying about Vavi who I believe is a very strong trade unionist and deciplined cader who is doing a good job. But the ANC must disband this boring youth leadership who dont give a SHlT about the issues of the youth. They are self centred and arrogant out of order comrades who whorshiping crass and clueless about their mandates.
Okay, Vavi looks like he would be a great leader, in fact, I cannot wait for that day, but the YL needs Jesus, these bastards just need someone to save them, they are just a buch kids behaving bad who would embarrass their elders (Vavi included)... Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
SeshegoGuY
These factional Battles are really not good for the Country. In the Mean time, who's running the Economy??? Not even 1 Leader talks about high Petrol Prices, Combating Corruption etc.. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
xBusi
@JajazQueen
LOL Jaja... did you get banned again? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
As for "SHBUTANBUTAN Manamela Malema" Im suprised that his mouth is running after a sock was put in Malema's mouth bloody fake Marxist Communist he is so out of touch and pushing for another Parly appointment. I read an article yesterday with him ganing aan about the Gautrain, Etoll and Shilowa saying baseless things that are so distorted that you would ask if Malema's terror affected him mentaly. Blade the Frog must advise this red clouth to shuut it and wait his turn. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MGEEZ
@MorenaWapolelo
It is a propaganda that the ANCYL is not addressing youth issues. Let me give you an example; the youth league; recognised that there is a high unemployment rate of youth in this country and thy then pushed for a theme "economic freedom during our life time". The have asked the ruling part to adress the issue of the land and the mines that are owned by the minority few according to the stipulations of the freedom charter.
I am not advocating the merits and the demerits of their political argurment; however i am simply stating that it is a political propaganda to suggest that the youth league is not addressing youth issues!!! This propaganda is purpoted in the main by those who either have benefitted from Apartheid or are beneficiaries of the current corruption that is eating away at the life of the ruling party. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@SeshegoGuY
These factional Battles are really not good for the Country. In the Mean time, who's running the Economy??? Not even 1 Leader talks about high Petrol Prices, Combating Corruption etc..
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@Robin H, to say Vavi is not interested is not the truth. Follow him on twitter, @Zwelinzima1 then you will be informed. ANCYL must defend any leaders that have guts to protect them. @MorenaWaPolelo, ANCYL can't continue to seat and watch while the Leadership of COSATU it being attacked day in and day out by Hellen Zillle, especially Cde Vavi himself, that’s politics.
Pfanani: If you say so. I don't do twitter. ENough twits in day to day life. ANCYL politics, with respect, are a bad joke. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
ngwanamaganagobotswa
In our own eyes, when we see comrade Vavi we see comrade Hani, he is the modern- day Chris Hani and is selfless in the struggle for the workers ...
Did this guy ever saw Chris Hani? Or somebody prepare speech for him? The YL of today are pushing an agenda of Malema and Mbalula and Vavi should be carefull with this hooligangs, and the solution of this is disbandment of all PEC's YL. Practically they dont know the meaning of selfless, is he selfless... Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@xBusi
@JajazQueen
LOL Jaja... did you get banned again?
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Why would you think that? Do you not like JajazQueen vs JajasQueen?
Morning MGEEZ, you always so polite, have you noticed I have stopped swearing too?
What? Vavi for ANC president? you must be high Broer. Dont please put ANC to such a level. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@MGEEZ
" This propaganda is purpoted in the main by those who either have benefitted from Apartheid or are beneficiaries of the current corruption that is eating away at the life of the ruling party"...The youth league leadership included Sir.
It is propaganda to think that the fancy term 'economic freedom in our life time' came about because of youth unemployement it was a self serving opportunistic way of trying to take advantage of poor unemployed youth to support their self serving quest. When that failed they used devisive methods of land grabs and rediculas nationalising the mines policy's wich are also self serving. There are a lot of youth programmes that these greedy foools have ignored like education, sport, co-orperate inequalities and BMF representation to name a few.
God forbid COSATU ever gets its claws into the ANC! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
mhlupheki
for me theres a big different between vavi and hani unless i am from another planet Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
Pfanani
THey are welcomed to do that, that's politics. Same as Blade supporting Zuma for position, Buti supporting Zuma and Sdumo supportingZuma. At least they are protecting Vavi from being attacked bu outsiders like Zille, not Protecting someone from within the party and creating Factions. Report Abuse
Yes Vavi will make a good president, but the real issue here is that the YL still looking for ways of getting back at Zuma and the ANC at large for putting them in their place. This is excatly like what people wanted to nhappen izolo on the chiefs downs game, the chiefs fans being the YL, knowing that tittle hopes are a thing of the past they suddenly felt sundowns are the deserving team to win the tittle and suddenly everyone was fan of Downs(Vavi in this case). Not taking anything away from Vavi and Downs, but the main reason behind this sudden change in feellings is all driven by seeking revenge on Zuma. I am not the type to support such mlilo we-parafin issues, just because Vavi can mobilise the masses he is suddenly a good leader, good enough to be president? the YL will like to have the same power as Cosatu and they think supporting Vavi will make them inherit the support he commands, little do they know that we just support what Vavi stands for, but not him as an individual, YL are just chasing individual power which the hope could be used to control the masses. well the masses are kind of educated and will never blindfolded just follow all this headless leaders Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@The-Rothschilds
God forbid COSATU ever gets its claws into the ANC!
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Vavi shouldnt dare try to lead the ANC.He will be brainwashed and corrupted by the ANC.Look at Blade,a communist turned capitalist.He does no longer speak on behalf of the poor and working he is a capitalist convert. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
CYBORICO
@Pfanani
man u lack integrity, u dont support people and protect them just because they are family,, Vavi doesnot need protection from the YL he stands for what the people want, the people will protect Vavi, not your YL. The YL protects people with "amakhanda emdidini" and now they want to associate themselves with people who are true embasadors of the masses, cum on now, loose your battles fair and stop all this rubbish of taking a ride with whoevr seems to be powerfull enough to help you fight Zuma. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
ndhandhazi
VAVI reduced himself to nothing by joining the ANCYL. He is responsible for MALEMA's behaviour. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MarryMeNow
RobinH, i think some how you think you are clever. Young league is expressing thier views and you all you do is to call them by name. How about you moving out of your grandmother's house, may be you can have an opinion of your own.
I like Lamola when he say Buti is only talking now because Malema has been suspended. classic Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
tumzangwana
Lamola branded Manamela a "coward" who has suddenly found the courage to speak out against the youth league because Malema had been expelled from the ANC.
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Lamola you have taken the words right out of my mouth.
Tjo this Lamola guy shld watch it, zuma Inc doesn't take kindly on any one praising other leaders strengths above his (which are non existant) otherwise he like Malema will be expelled, Malema is fired for statign the obvious truth that Mbeki was a better leader and more educated than zuma, boeff the axe fell on him, when he was doing all the wrong things which really warranted that he be fired, he wasn't, so Lamola if you want to keep your yl job/post don't publicly praise strengths of other leaders zuma feel is insecure, and insecure ppl are dangerous, Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
Papgat
Mnr Lamola says 'YCL is a conveyer belt of messages from the SACP," Hi sooooooo! i never hear such sacarcism Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
CYBORICO
@Morenawapolelo
u put it nicely on your responce to Mgees and Pfanani, they seem to look at things from one side only, I call it linear thinking, give them a few lessons sir. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
LijahaSisu
Tell them Cde Lamola, we will beat the 'd.og' until the owner comes out. Report Abuse
Marrymenow: "Move out of my grandmothers house" Oh my. Thankyou, sweetness. At 57 that is really very funny. As for having my own opinions, well, that is even more amusing coming from an ANCYL follower that only thinks what some arbitrary wannabe leader figure tells you to. Enjoy the kindergarten. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
Vavi would make a good leader provided he does not change from his current mindset and political views. But I have got serious doubt he would be able to maintain even half of it. It is always easy to sh'out from the outside. Once you are in, you get a bigger picture and start behaving like your predecessors. The entire ANC leadership was in Vavi's mode before the unba'nning, and saw things his way. Guess what happenned since assuming power? The ANC has embraced capitalism big time at the expense of socialism (nationalism). If that wasn't the case, GP people would not be fighting against e-tolls, and we would not be complaining about toll gates which have and are busy mushrooming throughout the country.
I dont care, it does not make any difference, as long as they are from the ANC community, they have the same DNA........ corruption! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
Makotofa
Some ppl just coment for the sake of commenting and ba bua makaka feela Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
CYBORICO
@Ngwijikhwebu
Theres a lot of truth in your post, but I sence that u have lost hope on all leaders including future ones which i think should not be the case. Vavi comes from the workers union, he understands the power of the workers, he will be a big slima to follow in the steps of the now corrupt freedom fighters. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
maezizsto68
MarryMeNow
RobinH, i think some how you think you are clever. Young league is expressing thier views and you all you do is to call them by name. How about you moving out of your grandmother's house, may be you can have an opinion of your own.
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Bwahahahahaha hhahahahahaha eish.
Cyril Ramaphosa for president not Vavi. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
"The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation..." LoL hayi man sana umzali akabaqongotheli phandle abantwana bakhe, you shld compare these yl guys with a very ill disciplined member of the family, but to be fair parents of the youth league instilled these bad manners on these guys so why are you now wanting to chuck them out? nina nje lulekani izingane zenu, bafundiseni ukuhlonipha but xa utata we khaya ingumshowerlozi then you can forget that man is as ill disciplined as the youth he is worse cause the youth shld be looking to him for guidance and wisdom instead he leaves them with a hollow nest, Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
RobinH
Maez: Now on Ramaphosa I agree with you. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
swona
Lamola needs to take over the reigns at YL, and the youth must focus on youth issues! let us grown up deal with the ANC business! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
Budapat
hehehehehehehe, where does the YOUTH LEAGUE members reside? i have never seen or met any of these guys in the local communities trying to enforce or recruit new brains and new ideas into the organisation to revive it's standing position within uMphakathi, unless the COSAS is the feeder to the current crop of leadership of ANC YL, wonder what you smoking boys, address matter relevant to the youth of today and stop referring to the past century 100 of the late Chris Hani and the likes, VAVI for ANC leadership? I dont think so, we need VAVI and DA to keep ANC to it's toes otherwise we are scrrewed ''e-toll'' with idiots like Jimmy Manyi ''rolling out democracy in a form of e-tolling'' hehehehehehe Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
Molo sana, ndinentloko namhlanje. I think if members of the YL want to take guidance from the ANC they will. But now they are being pulled from all sides and are confused into backing individuals they think will carry their agendas. All the need to remember is that they are the youth wing of the ANC, not Vavi's campain team.
@Budapat, what you can do to fill the vacuum is that you become official member then you do the recruiting and training of those recruits, but you shld get a mandate frm them first, cause really when anc was banned, we were foot soldiers deliverying pamphlets, responsible to have t/shirt printing under very very difficult circumstances, were it not for this effort this anc today wldn't be here, that is why most of us are de moerin that instead of anc appointing the best guy (which they have abundance of) to facilitate issues encompassed in the FC, they have imposed this zuma character on us, who has been tearing the anc (support) to shredds in the past 4yrs, deflecting our national agenda to his underpants, cause now all we ever talk abt is him taking a shower and rubbing Khwezi with baby oil, I don't like this debate abt our president one bit, therefore we need a proper leader, Mathlanti is reasonably fair I think, but personally I'd much rather prefer a woman president, cause generally women are tuned in with social development issues, whilst men are just looking for sex FIRST, then other stuff. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
SteveBiko
speaking like a true lawyer thats why they cant puul the malema stunt on you cause your qualified more than them. yes Cde Vavi will lead together with President motlhanthe. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
but personally I'd much rather prefer a woman president, cause generally women are tuned in with social development issues, whilst men are just looking for sex FIRST, then other stuff.
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I will second you there! So who would you vote for?
@Jaja's they cldn't Vavi's campaign team cause Vavi is not vying for gov post he already said he was not interested, I think Lamola is continuing the DA attack, Cosatu in the WC that Craven guy have their act together, its a salvo to say to the DA (back-off) mara nje mna I wish there was a solution to the stalemate btwn intsha nabazali bayo kwi ANC, cause doll this will further weaken you guys, I maybe DA but I care for you guys and it is in our best interest (as a country) taht you guys get your act together for the sake of the country, hence I insist pliz in Manguang get the BEST guy for the job so you can focus your energies on delivering services not defending president's underpants. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
The-Rothschilds
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jaja my preferences wld be Phumzile (had been mentored during TM era so she shld know her stuff), Charolous for her int'l relations experience acquired when working on a SAn mission in the UK, she wld do us proud as she will hit the ground running cause she's tuned in on global politics a plus point which a president shld take on his/her stride when they take office, I am also trying to move away from the vets (like Winnie and those obvious names) with all their baggage and scores to settle, we shld have someone who is going to give us 110% commitment in our national agenda, and of course your communist beliefs wld come handy mos, so you shld be sec gen, lol Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
snazz
Cadre Lamola ur killing me "YCL is a conveyer belt of messages from the SACP," you must love the ANCYL polotricks.......... Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
I think behind the headlines Vavi has more effect on the YL rebellion than he would like to let out. He is a shape shifting snake. He says the ANC is bent on empowering the wealthy or who ever? But what programmes does he have implace for the poor and rural communities? I really do not blame the YL that much, they just need to tow the line and realise that the ANC as a ruling party has changed its focus on some of the policies. We need BEE and we need to have the needs of the poor to be prioritised, I think we can successfully have two parties working synergistically to see this comming to pass. But now all political parties in SA want to climb on the band wagon of handling all mandates. DA is useless - it is the mirror image of the ANC and will destroy this country. Cope lost the plot. We do need a party which will concentrate on the delivery to the poor and rural communities.
@Morenawapolelo
I hear you, but do not agree with you. It is clear to me that the economy of this country is not shared by all the people in this country. It is also clear that the mines of this country are only benefiting a minority few and not the masses of the people. We have a high unemployment rate in this country and the majority of the unemployed is youth!!!There is no propaganda in that at all!!! These are the anomalies that the ANCYL sort to adress; disbanding them is not going to address these realities!!! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
rasefatee
Lamola you can not compare a freeedom fightter like hani to vavi if hani was still aliive the level of corruptiion would have been minimal and he would have encouraged dullard like shower to marry only one wiffe or step down as the presidentt of this country but all these happened under vavi nosee Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
snazz
What is VAVI's stance on the African Agenda?????????????? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
The-Rothschilds
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses
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I think they should...they cannot ride on the safety net of ANC/YL to present their policies. They need to campaign just like all other political parties for their policies to be accepted by their members.
JajazQueen
The-Rothschilds
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses
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I think they should...they cannot ride on the safety net of ANC/YL to present their policies. They need to campaign just like all other political parties for their policies to be accepted by their members.
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The problem with the Youth League is if they actually took the time to provide facts that could support their policies maybe Malema could of been a hero today, instead he chose to dehumanize and insult. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
CYBORICO
@Mgeez
If its the youth that are higly unemployeed then we need a working plan for the youth, first it means the youth are not educated enough to be employable(then we need to first educate and train the youth so as to have the skills currently in shortage on the market). Secondly if we allow nationalisation now, who will benefit from this(definatley not the youth as they currently lack the skills and education to runn or get decent employment in the mines) hence only the connected youth will benefit and the masses will get paid unskilled labour wages and that cannot be clasified as economic freedom. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MGEEZ
@rasefatee
Lamola you can not compare a freeedom fightter like hani to vavi if hani was still aliive the level of corruptiion would have been minimal and he would have encouraged dullard like shower to marry only one wiffe or step down as the presidentt of this country but all these happened under vavi nosee
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And you know this how????? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
KeRataBasadi
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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For once i agreed with you, but are you the jjq, thandi newton look alike but meatier or an imposter. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jajas am not sure why Vavi (Cosatu) which is not gov shld have to come up with policies when they already are doing and have achieved a whole lot more for the workers which is their main constituent, but you are right what is needed now is a serious political alternative that keep anc focus on its mandate or at the very least make them feel threatened cause now they are taking majority support for granted.
@McGeez well said, the high unemployment rate of the youth of SA is a real danger, the sooner this is addressed the less we will have radicalism, the powers be wld do well to remember that every-time there is revolution anywhere in the world it is spearheaded by the desperate and the have nothings. That is why smart gov's the world over seek to bring majority citizens to iddle class level, by creating opportunities such sk!lling the unemployed, giving incentives (such as tax rebates) to employers willing to take on apprentices, but this gov's priorities clearly do not tally up with the challenging task to hand.
And Mambaai rgdng nationalisation, here is my few thoughts, when Mathale calls for nationalisation of mines, this is a clear sign that the tax base has shrunk so the gov must get money somewhere to realise some aspirations, instead of responding to this with being paranoid we shld seek to make ourselves partners in this process by welcoming the debate aimed at finding win-win solutions for all involved. I therefore suggested that instead of 100% nationalisation we shld aim for 51% public ownership of these resources and we must ensure that all profits from these are used for development projects such building of skills learning centres, better medical infrastructure, better equipped gov schools to enable all the learners to have a fair chance. These are but some of the few projects how communities can benefit from nationalisation. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
KeRataBasadi
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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For once i agreed with you, but are you the jjq, thandi newton look alike but meatier or an imposter.
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What we do is we give the ANCYL each a sword and small shield and let them battle to the de@th and who ever stands becomes leader, solves the problem and would be rather entertaining. But really now, I understand the youth, and I am also youth, want jobs and equality, but again and I always say this, start with education. Education is key, not this thing the ANCYL wants. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
MorenaWaPolelo
@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I am cool and you? Jaja only gets upset for one minute and then moves on.
Yes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
mambaaai
somaartakeit
is it a clear sign...... or is it just cheap emotive politician talk..... when we hear what zoom zoom has said many times now...... Regarding that 51%, why? for what reason? when going for all the profits then the resource ends up in the hands of these types of people to administer and we have been seeing what they do... look at the public works admission for example its a mess.... look at how much has been waasted through maladmistration of disciplinary cases.... look at who gets to "do" the j0bs when you put a team together you want the best players in that game.... not fat ones in purple suits
so for that 51% not required, because the government governs the laws....so they can just say... in the region you work you must do ........A.skills development projects... or they say you get a tax relief for each guy that becomes skilled that you trained...or something like B. for each project the mine must build a school... and so on
So as an example re Vavi and the labour brokers, government has done this kind of thing and made laws for the employed people, good but that has set the bar high, and the requirements are quite tough for the guy with money to do the mining or any other project. So in the world THAT investment money will find a "home" will find a project. From the government point of view either they use taxes to build mines and take a risk.......or they build houses and roads with the money they have from taxes.
China for example doesent have the laws and so what happens is very many more people get to work...the work that is available is shared around a bit more....
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Yes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape.
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The-Rothschilds
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Yes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape.
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Are you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
jjq
Are you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
the whole thing must function each playing its part...muscle pulling against bone. if its all just bone its a skeleton, and if its all just muscle its like a jelly fish
they must play their role, must have constructive debate but not be yes guys..... Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@MGEEZ
The current leadership of the ANCYL is not clued up and prepared to adress the issues of the youth Sir they are so pre occupied with their battles with the ANC and themselves, so as an ANCYL member I feel that the youth league is neglecting important programmes. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
KeRataBasadi
MorenaWaPolelo
@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I'm cool today, wena are you still in denial ? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@mambaaai
jjq
Are you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
the whole thing must function each playing its part...muscle pulling against bone. if its all just bone its a skeleton, and if its all just muscle its like a jelly fish
they must play their role, must have constructive debate but not be yes guys.....
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I've been multi tasking today. I wanted to say isn't he scared?
KeRataBasadi
MorenaWaPolelo
@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I'm cool today, wena are you still in denial ?
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ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola has come out in support of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi, calling him "the Chris Hani of our times".
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Ronald Lamola is easily misled just like the SA youth. Why can't he say he will himself be a leader of ANC one day instead of glorifying Vavi. It was Zuma now its Vavi - they keep looking for political deities that have no power but a voice that says what they want to hear during perilous times. There is no leader in the current political menu all parties included. Leaders are out-there amongst the youth black/white who have more of a chance to bring forth a new approach to African politics. The older crew is resistant to changes and they follow international order like pagans follow their ritual rites. This is simply not the age of heroes and so forget about anyone coming as close to Chris Hani or Steve Biko by comparison. They have set the standards but it is up to us to expand further. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
Catswhiskers
The YL changes its allegiance like some people change their underwear!
From "killing for Zuma", to Motlanthe, to Malema, to now Vavi! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
TKay
So Manamela is scared of Malema - sure Juju Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
lemzito
Yes m infavour of Vavi and have been watchin his political caree closesly. He is a gud leader with moral values. He is a leader that can save the reputation of the current ANC because of these gud moral value that he holds. But lets not measure him against the weakneses of the current ANC. Lets not 4get should he become president he will be weakened by the constitution of the country and the of the organisation itself.
Okay, Vavi looks like he would be a great leader, in fact, I cannot wait for that day, but the YL needs Jesus, these bastards just need someone to save them, they are just a buch kids behaving bad who would embarrass their elders (Vavi included)..
Yes Bdoobs, you are right
Buti Manamela is quite correct and he had never fear any body within the Youth League and Malema knows that.Opportunists are you, Lamola and Malema, because you want Vavi to be in the NEC and automatically will become the Cabinet Minister so that you will come and loot the Government's money.
Buti does not fear Malema and even you, Mr Lamola.He is right that Youth League is being led Power mongers and hooligans, who only need to see themselves in front always.Buti has never done that and he is a good leader.
I am one of the biggest supporters of the ANC, and I know that even if Vavi where leader he would not be making decisions in isolation of ANC members. Now we have to decide what is it we need - do we need a presidential face change or do we need a policy change. You cannot decide to remove a political party from government because you THINK they might be corrupt. Government is made up of various entities - even if you remove the ANC the same corrupt civil servants will remain in their possitions. Mina what worries me is that Vavi abandonded his unionist position to dabble in dicey politics. He didn't have to because the government in place enforces the same policies that unions do. He seems to be a idol worshiper...
Answer this then why the secrecy bill? for example... Why with a clauses around whistle blowers.... why the effort.... ?
I understand the belief in the ANC I really do..... I also understand the belief in say family members and they wont do any harm to others.....then we have articles like the one " Man sought over xxxx of daughter" in todays Sowetan the same thing.
The people in the ANC have become way too complacent, way too arr0g@nt toward the people....it shows our people have been in the streets, their own youth legue is shovting... to be hon3st all is not w3ll....and a wake up sh@ke up in needed to fix a lot of the rubbish.....and a lot of " un- the people fri3ndly" ways of doing things Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
mambaaai
A c@nge of guard would also r3mind all the other 0rgans and 0rganisations what they should be doing.... even if it was for just one term. Just like a good r@in storm to wash down all the b@d dust and rvbbish, to cl3ar the @ir again from the st!nks Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
7000000
Lamola is right here. I think Comrade Vavi can make a very Good Minister of Labour. After all he is pro poor, even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@mambaaai
The people in the ANC have become way too complacent, way too arr0g@nt toward the people....it shows our people have been in the streets, their own youth legue is shovting... to be hon3st all is not w3ll....and a wake up sh@ke up in needed to fix a lot of the rubbish.....and a lot of " un- the people fri3ndly" ways of doing things
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I think this battle is between ZUMA AND YOUTH LEAGUE,and it has become personal,now because the president of cosatu opt for the second term for Zuma and Vavi is sceptical about the president serving the second term,now Vavi is their choice how interesting? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@mambaaai
jjq ummm read there to the people and their electorate,
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Have these people noticed the same attitude issues you mention?
Amandla, Leadeship revealed fearless and robust thats my man*give him a bells* Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@7000000
Lamola is right here. I think Comrade Vavi can make a very Good Minister of Labour. After all he is pro poor, even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt.
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He would have to understand his portfolio first to be a good minister, Vavi has a tendancy to not read between the lines.
Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ? As for me,Im sure they have no idea what they want. They like small little children who want to throw tantrums when they don't get there way. First it was Mbeki with whom they couldnt get things right,now it President Zuma,who doesn't tolerate their crap, they want to get rid of him just because they cant get their way. Im a white male who doesn't vote ANC and may not always agree with the ANC BUT Im not going throw little temper tantrums just because Im not getting my way. Look what happened poor little Julius(idiot)(lol)..where is he now ?Shame !!!! When will they learn ?????? Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
JajazQueen
@MD1
Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ?
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@MD1
Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ? As for me,Im sure they have no idea what they want. They like small little children who want to throw tantrums when they don't get there way. First it was Mbeki with whom they couldnt get things right,now it President Zuma,who doesn't tolerate their crap, they want to get rid of him just because they cant get their way. Im a white male who doesn't vote ANC and may not always agree with the ANC BUT Im not going throw little temper tantrums just because Im not getting my way. Look what happened poor little Julius(idiot)(lol)..where is he now ?Shame !!!! When will they learn ??????
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My brother from another mother, you are spot on!!!!!
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May 3, 2012
Hlalefi
You are right,im so sick and tired of this currupt ANC who is being led by the smiling mafia,looting our resources as if it is the end of the world,they steal in such a way that it is a norm to still as long as you are being protected by the smiling mafia you cant go any were,OH...MR VAVI can you please help my beloved SOUTH AFRICA,for the future of my children?please.ANC during the Zuma term turned the country to hell. Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
THE HAND WRITES: JACOB ZUMA IS FINISHED POLITICALLY. HE HAS BEEN WEIGHED AND FOUND WANTING POLITICALLY!!!!! Report Abuse
May 3, 2012
tinkzo
Ya Lamola you right that Mvavisto will one day rule this country BUT don,t forget and you know better because you are the child of the bigger ANC that anc has a pool of leaders and since Mvavisto has never been made a deputy or a minister his chances will be very slim considering that Vavi opposes every move that the government takes like the recent e-toll debacle and labour brokers. Instead he can be silenced with a ministerial post like that of labour minister.but who knows maybe you are speaking from the position of strength comrade Lamola. Report Abuse
May 4, 2012
mambaaai
jjq..... general observations and opinions.... to quote Juju ......an ins!der for example...
"We are used like t0ilet paper that is flvshed in the t0ilet. We are used like c0nd0ms - those who use condoms will know how c0nd0ms w0rk, they use them and they thr0w th3m [away] somewhere else." Julius Malema et al
Its kinda like an @bvsive non helping, husband who thinks you will never l3ave him so he carries on with his stuff. and gets w0rse. The bad apples feel way too c0mfortable...and so they get more and more braizen.... and the one bad apple affect the next and so on.... Report Abuse
May 4, 2012
T'dpole
Where has Buti been in the last year, this is the first time i heard of him in almost a year, shame being a young communist, can be confusing sometimes Report Abuse
May 4, 2012
Tshikhokhonono
Manamela must namela his truck and go home, he must shut up his big mouth. Report Abuse
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RobinH
One goes down and another pops up. Much as I admire Vavi in many ways, he has shown no interest in this, These twits need some kind of succession battle myth to keep their brains turning over.Report Abuse
ApelMankotsana
I like it when he says "YCL is a conveyor belt of mesages from the SACP". So true.Report Abuse
nhla75
@apelmankotsana YCL is a conveyor belt i agree that agent Buti Manamela.Report Abuse
mambocha
Then the will be no more Etoling, no more Labour Brokering , no more Unnecessary petrol hike this remind me of the song of Peter Tosh , what will happen the day the dollar dies? Im looking forward to this dayReport Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
The Youth League politics are so obvious and so boring!!! Now the mor0n's using a factionalism weapon by praising Vavi and hoping he will support their quest. Though I agree with what he's saying about Vavi who I believe is a very strong trade unionist and deciplined cader who is doing a good job. But the ANC must disband this boring youth leadership who dont give a SHlT about the issues of the youth. They are self centred and arrogant out of order comrades who whorshiping crass and clueless about their mandates.Report Abuse
Ruudboy
He can make a gud replacement 4 shower headReport Abuse
Watchdog_B
VAVI FOR PRESIDENT ,PERIODReport Abuse
RobinH
Watchdog: IS it that time of the month, Sir?Report Abuse
JajazQueen
Which Vavi?Report Abuse
Bdoobs
Okay, Vavi looks like he would be a great leader, in fact, I cannot wait for that day, but the YL needs Jesus, these bastards just need someone to save them, they are just a buch kids behaving bad who would embarrass their elders (Vavi included)...Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
These factional Battles are really not good for the Country. In the Mean time, who's running the Economy??? Not even 1 Leader talks about high Petrol Prices, Combating Corruption etc..Report Abuse
xBusi
@JajazQueenLOL Jaja... did you get banned again?
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MorenaWaPolelo
As for "SHBUTANBUTAN Manamela Malema" Im suprised that his mouth is running after a sock was put in Malema's mouth bloody fake Marxist Communist he is so out of touch and pushing for another Parly appointment. I read an article yesterday with him ganing aan about the Gautrain, Etoll and Shilowa saying baseless things that are so distorted that you would ask if Malema's terror affected him mentaly. Blade the Frog must advise this red clouth to shuut it and wait his turn.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@MorenaWapoleloIt is a propaganda that the ANCYL is not addressing youth issues. Let me give you an example; the youth league; recognised that there is a high unemployment rate of youth in this country and thy then pushed for a theme "economic freedom during our life time". The have asked the ruling part to adress the issue of the land and the mines that are owned by the minority few according to the stipulations of the freedom charter.
I am not advocating the merits and the demerits of their political argurment; however i am simply stating that it is a political propaganda to suggest that the youth league is not addressing youth issues!!! This propaganda is purpoted in the main by those who either have benefitted from Apartheid or are beneficiaries of the current corruption that is eating away at the life of the ruling party.
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JajazQueen
@SeshegoGuYThese factional Battles are really not good for the Country. In the Mean time, who's running the Economy??? Not even 1 Leader talks about high Petrol Prices, Combating Corruption etc..
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Pfanani
@Robin H, to say Vavi is not interested is not the truth. Follow him on twitter, @Zwelinzima1 then you will be informed. ANCYL must defend any leaders that have guts to protect them. @MorenaWaPolelo, ANCYL can't continue to seat and watch while the Leadership of COSATU it being attacked day in and day out by Hellen Zillle, especially Cde Vavi himself, that’s politics.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
Good morning JJQReport Abuse
RobinH
Pfanani: If you say so. I don't do twitter. ENough twits in day to day life. ANCYL politics, with respect, are a bad joke.Report Abuse
ngwanamaganagobotswa
In our own eyes, when we see comrade Vavi we see comrade Hani, he is the modern- day Chris Hani and is selfless in the struggle for the workers ...Did this guy ever saw Chris Hani? Or somebody prepare speech for him? The YL of today are pushing an agenda of Malema and Mbalula and Vavi should be carefull with this hooligangs, and the solution of this is disbandment of all PEC's YL. Practically they dont know the meaning of selfless, is he selfless...
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JajazQueen
@xBusi@JajazQueen
LOL Jaja... did you get banned again?
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Why would you think that? Do you not like JajazQueen vs JajasQueen?
Morning MGEEZ, you always so polite, have you noticed I have stopped swearing too?
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JajazQueen
JajazQueen@xBusi
@JajazQueen
LOL Jaja... did you get banned again?
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xBusi - Why would you think that? Do you not like JajazQueen vs JajasQueen?
Morning MGEEZ, you always so polite, have you noticed I have stopped swearing too?
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Papage
What? Vavi for ANC president? you must be high Broer. Dont please put ANC to such a level.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
@MGEEZ" This propaganda is purpoted in the main by those who either have benefitted from Apartheid or are beneficiaries of the current corruption that is eating away at the life of the ruling party"...The youth league leadership included Sir.
It is propaganda to think that the fancy term 'economic freedom in our life time' came about because of youth unemployement it was a self serving opportunistic way of trying to take advantage of poor unemployed youth to support their self serving quest. When that failed they used devisive methods of land grabs and rediculas nationalising the mines policy's wich are also self serving. There are a lot of youth programmes that these greedy foools have ignored like education, sport, co-orperate inequalities and BMF representation to name a few.
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MorenaWaPolelo
PfananiThe ANCYL is supporting Vavi because they are after his backing for their quest!!!
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The-Rothschilds
Morning JajazQReport Abuse
The-Rothschilds
God forbid COSATU ever gets its claws into the ANC!Report Abuse
mhlupheki
for me theres a big different between vavi and hani unless i am from another planetReport Abuse
Pfanani
THey are welcomed to do that, that's politics. Same as Blade supporting Zuma for position, Buti supporting Zuma and Sdumo supportingZuma. At least they are protecting Vavi from being attacked bu outsiders like Zille, not Protecting someone from within the party and creating Factions.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@The-RothschildsMorning JajazQ
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CYBORICO
Yes Vavi will make a good president, but the real issue here is that the YL still looking for ways of getting back at Zuma and the ANC at large for putting them in their place. This is excatly like what people wanted to nhappen izolo on the chiefs downs game, the chiefs fans being the YL, knowing that tittle hopes are a thing of the past they suddenly felt sundowns are the deserving team to win the tittle and suddenly everyone was fan of Downs(Vavi in this case). Not taking anything away from Vavi and Downs, but the main reason behind this sudden change in feellings is all driven by seeking revenge on Zuma. I am not the type to support such mlilo we-parafin issues, just because Vavi can mobilise the masses he is suddenly a good leader, good enough to be president? the YL will like to have the same power as Cosatu and they think supporting Vavi will make them inherit the support he commands, little do they know that we just support what Vavi stands for, but not him as an individual, YL are just chasing individual power which the hope could be used to control the masses. well the masses are kind of educated and will never blindfolded just follow all this headless leadersReport Abuse
JajazQueen
@The-RothschildsGod forbid COSATU ever gets its claws into the ANC!
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TheDictator
Vavi shouldnt dare try to lead the ANC.He will be brainwashed and corrupted by the ANC.Look at Blade,a communist turned capitalist.He does no longer speak on behalf of the poor and working he is a capitalist convert.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
@Pfananiman u lack integrity, u dont support people and protect them just because they are family,, Vavi doesnot need protection from the YL he stands for what the people want, the people will protect Vavi, not your YL. The YL protects people with "amakhanda emdidini" and now they want to associate themselves with people who are true embasadors of the masses, cum on now, loose your battles fair and stop all this rubbish of taking a ride with whoevr seems to be powerfull enough to help you fight Zuma.
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ndhandhazi
VAVI reduced himself to nothing by joining the ANCYL. He is responsible for MALEMA's behaviour.Report Abuse
MarryMeNow
RobinH, i think some how you think you are clever. Young league is expressing thier views and you all you do is to call them by name. How about you moving out of your grandmother's house, may be you can have an opinion of your own.I like Lamola when he say Buti is only talking now because Malema has been suspended. classic
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tumzangwana
Lamola branded Manamela a "coward" who has suddenly found the courage to speak out against the youth league because Malema had been expelled from the ANC.;;;;;;;;;;
Lamola you have taken the words right out of my mouth.
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somaartakeit
Tjo this Lamola guy shld watch it, zuma Inc doesn't take kindly on any one praising other leaders strengths above his (which are non existant) otherwise he like Malema will be expelled, Malema is fired for statign the obvious truth that Mbeki was a better leader and more educated than zuma, boeff the axe fell on him, when he was doing all the wrong things which really warranted that he be fired, he wasn't, so Lamola if you want to keep your yl job/post don't publicly praise strengths of other leaders zuma feel is insecure, and insecure ppl are dangerous,Report Abuse
Papgat
Mnr Lamola says 'YCL is a conveyer belt of messages from the SACP," Hi sooooooo! i never hear such sacarcismReport Abuse
CYBORICO
@Morenawapolelou put it nicely on your responce to Mgees and Pfanani, they seem to look at things from one side only, I call it linear thinking, give them a few lessons sir.
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LijahaSisu
Tell them Cde Lamola, we will beat the 'd.og' until the owner comes out.Report Abuse
zaco'z
someone is missing here.....MOMMAC.....or maybe am hallucinating..
Good morning all
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SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
A good rideon the power of the workers
Shilowa rose to power
and led a powerful province
After leading the workers' struggle
Vavi will rise
Due to workers' power
Amandla- is the power of the workers
AMANDLA AWETHU!!!,
thina abasebenzi
Izinto, ezabo,
iziyoyoyo zabelungu!!!
Viva!
(FOR THIS TOPIC THATS ALL I CAN DO WITH THAT, -PLAY ON, I WILL KEEP MY DETAILED COMMENTS TO ME THIS TIME- NO FURTHER COMMENT)
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SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
@ somaartakeit"Tjo this Lamola guy shld watch it, zuma Inc doesn't take kindly on any one praising other leaders"
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Zoema is a Zoeloe like Dingaan and Shaka
The Zoeloe kings were similarly jealous
In ancient History Dingaan once ordered that a man be speared to death for outdancing him
at a ceremony
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RobinH
Marrymenow: "Move out of my grandmothers house" Oh my. Thankyou, sweetness. At 57 that is really very funny. As for having my own opinions, well, that is even more amusing coming from an ANCYL follower that only thinks what some arbitrary wannabe leader figure tells you to. Enjoy the kindergarten.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.Report Abuse
Ngwijikhwebu
Vavi would make a good leader provided he does not change from his current mindset and political views. But I have got serious doubt he would be able to maintain even half of it. It is always easy to sh'out from the outside. Once you are in, you get a bigger picture and start behaving like your predecessors. The entire ANC leadership was in Vavi's mode before the unba'nning, and saw things his way. Guess what happenned since assuming power? The ANC has embraced capitalism big time at the expense of socialism (nationalism). If that wasn't the case, GP people would not be fighting against e-tolls, and we would not be complaining about toll gates which have and are busy mushrooming throughout the country.Report Abuse
Nolyli
I dont care, it does not make any difference, as long as they are from the ANC community, they have the same DNA........ corruption!Report Abuse
Makotofa
Some ppl just coment for the sake of commenting and ba bua makaka feelaReport Abuse
CYBORICO
@NgwijikhwebuTheres a lot of truth in your post, but I sence that u have lost hope on all leaders including future ones which i think should not be the case. Vavi comes from the workers union, he understands the power of the workers, he will be a big slima to follow in the steps of the now corrupt freedom fighters.
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maezizsto68
MarryMeNowRobinH, i think some how you think you are clever. Young league is expressing thier views and you all you do is to call them by name. How about you moving out of your grandmother's house, may be you can have an opinion of your own.
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Bwahahahahaha hhahahahahaha eish.
Cyril Ramaphosa for president not Vavi.
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somaartakeit
@JajazQueen"The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation..." LoL hayi man sana umzali akabaqongotheli phandle abantwana bakhe, you shld compare these yl guys with a very ill disciplined member of the family, but to be fair parents of the youth league instilled these bad manners on these guys so why are you now wanting to chuck them out? nina nje lulekani izingane zenu, bafundiseni ukuhlonipha but xa utata we khaya ingumshowerlozi then you can forget that man is as ill disciplined as the youth he is worse cause the youth shld be looking to him for guidance and wisdom instead he leaves them with a hollow nest,
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RobinH
Maez: Now on Ramaphosa I agree with you.Report Abuse
swona
Lamola needs to take over the reigns at YL, and the youth must focus on youth issues! let us grown up deal with the ANC business!Report Abuse
Budapat
hehehehehehehe, where does the YOUTH LEAGUE members reside? i have never seen or met any of these guys in the local communities trying to enforce or recruit new brains and new ideas into the organisation to revive it's standing position within uMphakathi, unless the COSAS is the feeder to the current crop of leadership of ANC YL, wonder what you smoking boys, address matter relevant to the youth of today and stop referring to the past century 100 of the late Chris Hani and the likes, VAVI for ANC leadership? I dont think so, we need VAVI and DA to keep ANC to it's toes otherwise we are scrrewed ''e-toll'' with idiots like Jimmy Manyi ''rolling out democracy in a form of e-tolling'' heheheheheheReport Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitMolo sana, ndinentloko namhlanje. I think if members of the YL want to take guidance from the ANC they will. But now they are being pulled from all sides and are confused into backing individuals they think will carry their agendas. All the need to remember is that they are the youth wing of the ANC, not Vavi's campain team.
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somaartakeit
@Budapat, what you can do to fill the vacuum is that you become official member then you do the recruiting and training of those recruits, but you shld get a mandate frm them first, cause really when anc was banned, we were foot soldiers deliverying pamphlets, responsible to have t/shirt printing under very very difficult circumstances, were it not for this effort this anc today wldn't be here, that is why most of us are de moerin that instead of anc appointing the best guy (which they have abundance of) to facilitate issues encompassed in the FC, they have imposed this zuma character on us, who has been tearing the anc (support) to shredds in the past 4yrs, deflecting our national agenda to his underpants, cause now all we ever talk abt is him taking a shower and rubbing Khwezi with baby oil, I don't like this debate abt our president one bit, therefore we need a proper leader, Mathlanti is reasonably fair I think, but personally I'd much rather prefer a woman president, cause generally women are tuned in with social development issues, whilst men are just looking for sex FIRST, then other stuff.Report Abuse
SteveBiko
speaking like a true lawyer thats why they cant puul the malema stunt on you cause your qualified more than them. yes Cde Vavi will lead together with President motlhanthe.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitbut personally I'd much rather prefer a woman president, cause generally women are tuned in with social development issues, whilst men are just looking for sex FIRST, then other stuff.
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somaartakeit
@Jaja's they cldn't Vavi's campaign team cause Vavi is not vying for gov post he already said he was not interested, I think Lamola is continuing the DA attack, Cosatu in the WC that Craven guy have their act together, its a salvo to say to the DA (back-off) mara nje mna I wish there was a solution to the stalemate btwn intsha nabazali bayo kwi ANC, cause doll this will further weaken you guys, I maybe DA but I care for you guys and it is in our best interest (as a country) taht you guys get your act together for the sake of the country, hence I insist pliz in Manguang get the BEST guy for the job so you can focus your energies on delivering services not defending president's underpants.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
JajazQueenThe ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses!
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somaartakeit
@Jaja my preferences wld be Phumzile (had been mentored during TM era so she shld know her stuff), Charolous for her int'l relations experience acquired when working on a SAn mission in the UK, she wld do us proud as she will hit the ground running cause she's tuned in on global politics a plus point which a president shld take on his/her stride when they take office, I am also trying to move away from the vets (like Winnie and those obvious names) with all their baggage and scores to settle, we shld have someone who is going to give us 110% commitment in our national agenda, and of course your communist beliefs wld come handy mos, so you shld be sec gen, lolReport Abuse
snazz
Cadre Lamola ur killing me "YCL is a conveyer belt of messages from the SACP," you must love the ANCYL polotricks..........Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitI think behind the headlines Vavi has more effect on the YL rebellion than he would like to let out. He is a shape shifting snake. He says the ANC is bent on empowering the wealthy or who ever? But what programmes does he have implace for the poor and rural communities? I really do not blame the YL that much, they just need to tow the line and realise that the ANC as a ruling party has changed its focus on some of the policies. We need BEE and we need to have the needs of the poor to be prioritised, I think we can successfully have two parties working synergistically to see this comming to pass. But now all political parties in SA want to climb on the band wagon of handling all mandates. DA is useless - it is the mirror image of the ANC and will destroy this country. Cope lost the plot. We do need a party which will concentrate on the delivery to the poor and rural communities.
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MGEEZ
@MorenawapoleloI hear you, but do not agree with you. It is clear to me that the economy of this country is not shared by all the people in this country. It is also clear that the mines of this country are only benefiting a minority few and not the masses of the people. We have a high unemployment rate in this country and the majority of the unemployed is youth!!!There is no propaganda in that at all!!! These are the anomalies that the ANCYL sort to adress; disbanding them is not going to address these realities!!!
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rasefatee
Lamola you can not compare a freeedom fightter like hani to vavi if hani was still aliive the level of corruptiion would have been minimal and he would have encouraged dullard like shower to marry only one wiffe or step down as the presidentt of this country but all these happened under vavi noseeReport Abuse
snazz
What is VAVI's stance on the African Agenda??????????????Report Abuse
JajazQueen
The-RothschildsJajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses
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I think they should...they cannot ride on the safety net of ANC/YL to present their policies. They need to campaign just like all other political parties for their policies to be accepted by their members.
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The-Rothschilds
JajazQueenThe-Rothschilds
JajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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I totally agree with you....................the must contest the mother body in an election before assuming they speak on behalf of the masses
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I think they should...they cannot ride on the safety net of ANC/YL to present their policies. They need to campaign just like all other political parties for their policies to be accepted by their members.
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The problem with the Youth League is if they actually took the time to provide facts that could support their policies maybe Malema could of been a hero today, instead he chose to dehumanize and insult.
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CYBORICO
@MgeezIf its the youth that are higly unemployeed then we need a working plan for the youth, first it means the youth are not educated enough to be employable(then we need to first educate and train the youth so as to have the skills currently in shortage on the market). Secondly if we allow nationalisation now, who will benefit from this(definatley not the youth as they currently lack the skills and education to runn or get decent employment in the mines) hence only the connected youth will benefit and the masses will get paid unskilled labour wages and that cannot be clasified as economic freedom.
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MGEEZ
@rasefateeLamola you can not compare a freeedom fightter like hani to vavi if hani was still aliive the level of corruptiion would have been minimal and he would have encouraged dullard like shower to marry only one wiffe or step down as the presidentt of this country but all these happened under vavi nosee
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And you know this how?????
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KeRataBasadi
JajazQueenThe ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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For once i agreed with you, but are you the jjq, thandi newton look alike but meatier or an imposter.
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somaartakeit
@Jajas am not sure why Vavi (Cosatu) which is not gov shld have to come up with policies when they already are doing and have achieved a whole lot more for the workers which is their main constituent, but you are right what is needed now is a serious political alternative that keep anc focus on its mandate or at the very least make them feel threatened cause now they are taking majority support for granted.@McGeez well said, the high unemployment rate of the youth of SA is a real danger, the sooner this is addressed the less we will have radicalism, the powers be wld do well to remember that every-time there is revolution anywhere in the world it is spearheaded by the desperate and the have nothings. That is why smart gov's the world over seek to bring majority citizens to iddle class level, by creating opportunities such sk!lling the unemployed, giving incentives (such as tax rebates) to employers willing to take on apprentices, but this gov's priorities clearly do not tally up with the challenging task to hand.
And Mambaai rgdng nationalisation, here is my few thoughts, when Mathale calls for nationalisation of mines, this is a clear sign that the tax base has shrunk so the gov must get money somewhere to realise some aspirations, instead of responding to this with being paranoid we shld seek to make ourselves partners in this process by welcoming the debate aimed at finding win-win solutions for all involved. I therefore suggested that instead of 100% nationalisation we shld aim for 51% public ownership of these resources and we must ensure that all profits from these are used for development projects such building of skills learning centres, better medical infrastructure, better equipped gov schools to enable all the learners to have a fair chance. These are but some of the few projects how communities can benefit from nationalisation.
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JajazQueen
KeRataBasadiJajazQueen
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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For once i agreed with you, but are you the jjq, thandi newton look alike but meatier or an imposter.
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The same Jaja who get insulted for being stupid.
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Danielrjvv1
What we do is we give the ANCYL each a sword and small shield and let them battle to the de@th and who ever stands becomes leader, solves the problem and would be rather entertaining. But really now, I understand the youth, and I am also youth, want jobs and equality, but again and I always say this, start with education. Education is key, not this thing the ANCYL wants.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
@JJQThe ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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JajazQueen
MorenaWaPolelo@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I am cool and you? Jaja only gets upset for one minute and then moves on.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Yes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape.Report Abuse
mambaaai
somaartakeitis it a clear sign...... or is it just cheap emotive politician talk..... when we hear what zoom zoom has said many times now...... Regarding that 51%, why? for what reason? when going for all the profits then the resource ends up in the hands of these types of people to administer and we have been seeing what they do... look at the public works admission for example its a mess.... look at how much has been waasted through maladmistration of disciplinary cases.... look at who gets to "do" the j0bs when you put a team together you want the best players in that game.... not fat ones in purple suits
so for that 51% not required, because the government governs the laws....so they can just say... in the region you work you must do ........A.skills development projects... or they say you get a tax relief for each guy that becomes skilled that you trained...or something like B. for each project the mine must build a school... and so on
So as an example re Vavi and the labour brokers, government has done this kind of thing and made laws for the employed people, good but that has set the bar high, and the requirements are quite tough for the guy with money to do the mining or any other project. So in the world THAT investment money will find a "home" will find a project. From the government point of view either they use taxes to build mines and take a risk.......or they build houses and roads with the money they have from taxes.
China for example doesent have the laws and so what happens is very many more people get to work...the work that is available is shared around a bit more....
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The-Rothschilds
KatakataEmaotoAditshepeYes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape.
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Do you live in the EC?
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JajazQueen
The-RothschildsKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Yes Vavi will one day lead ANC but in eastern cape.
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Are you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
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mambaaai
jjqAre you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
the whole thing must function each playing its part...muscle pulling against bone. if its all just bone its a skeleton, and if its all just muscle its like a jelly fish
they must play their role, must have constructive debate but not be yes guys.....
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MorenaWaPolelo
@MGEEZThe current leadership of the ANCYL is not clued up and prepared to adress the issues of the youth Sir they are so pre occupied with their battles with the ANC and themselves, so as an ANCYL member I feel that the youth league is neglecting important programmes.
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KeRataBasadi
MorenaWaPolelo@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I'm cool today, wena are you still in denial ?
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JajazQueen
@mambaaaijjq
Are you scared that our labour unionists are sleeping with politicians?
the whole thing must function each playing its part...muscle pulling against bone. if its all just bone its a skeleton, and if its all just muscle its like a jelly fish
they must play their role, must have constructive debate but not be yes guys.....
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I've been multi tasking today. I wanted to say isn't he scared?
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KeRataBasadi
@ JajazQueenThe same Jaja who get insulted for being stupid.
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Askies mabebeza, unfortunately there is no cure for this common ailment.
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Theotherguy
@ Mlulekifor me theres a big different between vavi and hani unless i am from another planet
Yes you are unless you name one huge different
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BoetieInBrasil
Ag it's nice to know who is going to rob you blind in the future....Report Abuse
JajazQueen
KeRataBasadiMorenaWaPolelo
@JJQ
The ANCYL seems to be clutching for straws the same way Vavi is. Vavi is one of the people who forced Zuma down our throats and when he realized he had backed the wrong horse he shifted agendas. The YL should leave the ANC if they are unhappy with their policies and start their own political organisation.
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Fully agree with you on this one!!
@KeRata
How are you today?? Are you still pisssed off!!
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I'm cool today, wena are you still in denial ?
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In denial of?
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Bhubesi
ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola has come out in support of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi, calling him "the Chris Hani of our times".--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ronald Lamola is easily misled just like the SA youth. Why can't he say he will himself be a leader of ANC one day instead of glorifying Vavi. It was Zuma now its Vavi - they keep looking for political deities that have no power but a voice that says what they want to hear during perilous times. There is no leader in the current political menu all parties included. Leaders are out-there amongst the youth black/white who have more of a chance to bring forth a new approach to African politics. The older crew is resistant to changes and they follow international order like pagans follow their ritual rites. This is simply not the age of heroes and so forget about anyone coming as close to Chris Hani or Steve Biko by comparison. They have set the standards but it is up to us to expand further.
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Catswhiskers
The YL changes its allegiance like some people change their underwear!From "killing for Zuma", to Motlanthe, to Malema, to now Vavi!
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TKay
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lemzito
Yes m infavour of Vavi and have been watchin his political caree closesly. He is a gud leader with moral values. He is a leader that can save the reputation of the current ANC because of these gud moral value that he holds. But lets not measure him against the weakneses of the current ANC. Lets not 4get should he become president he will be weakened by the constitution of the country and the of the organisation itself.Viva Vavi!!! Viva Vavi Vavi Viva!!!!!
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Ann
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Magwazambawula
Okay, Vavi looks like he would be a great leader, in fact, I cannot wait for that day, but the YL needs Jesus, these bastards just need someone to save them, they are just a buch kids behaving bad who would embarrass their elders (Vavi included)..Yes Bdoobs, you are right
Buti Manamela is quite correct and he had never fear any body within the Youth League and Malema knows that.Opportunists are you, Lamola and Malema, because you want Vavi to be in the NEC and automatically will become the Cabinet Minister so that you will come and loot the Government's money.
Buti does not fear Malema and even you, Mr Lamola.He is right that Youth League is being led Power mongers and hooligans, who only need to see themselves in front always.Buti has never done that and he is a good leader.
Viva Buti Manamela Viva
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JajazQueen
@lemzitoI am one of the biggest supporters of the ANC, and I know that even if Vavi where leader he would not be making decisions in isolation of ANC members. Now we have to decide what is it we need - do we need a presidential face change or do we need a policy change. You cannot decide to remove a political party from government because you THINK they might be corrupt. Government is made up of various entities - even if you remove the ANC the same corrupt civil servants will remain in their possitions. Mina what worries me is that Vavi abandonded his unionist position to dabble in dicey politics. He didn't have to because the government in place enforces the same policies that unions do. He seems to be a idol worshiper...
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mambaaai
jjq " You cannot decide to remove a political party from government because you THINK they might be corrupt"----------------------------------------------------------
Answer this then why the secrecy bill? for example... Why with a clauses around whistle blowers.... why the effort.... ?
I understand the belief in the ANC I really do..... I also understand the belief in say family members and they wont do any harm to others.....then we have articles like the one " Man sought over xxxx of daughter" in todays Sowetan the same thing.
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mambaaai
The people in the ANC have become way too complacent, way too arr0g@nt toward the people....it shows our people have been in the streets, their own youth legue is shovting... to be hon3st all is not w3ll....and a wake up sh@ke up in needed to fix a lot of the rubbish.....and a lot of " un- the people fri3ndly" ways of doing thingsReport Abuse
mambaaai
A c@nge of guard would also r3mind all the other 0rgans and 0rganisations what they should be doing.... even if it was for just one term. Just like a good r@in storm to wash down all the b@d dust and rvbbish, to cl3ar the @ir again from the st!nksReport Abuse
7000000
Lamola is right here. I think Comrade Vavi can make a very Good Minister of Labour. After all he is pro poor, even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@mambaaaiThe people in the ANC have become way too complacent, way too arr0g@nt toward the people....it shows our people have been in the streets, their own youth legue is shovting... to be hon3st all is not w3ll....and a wake up sh@ke up in needed to fix a lot of the rubbish.....and a lot of " un- the people fri3ndly" ways of doing things
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Complacent to whom?
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mambaaai
jjq ummm read there to the people and their electorate,Report Abuse
mambaaai
@7000000 " even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt " now you sound like somebody else on this forum....was or is Madiba corrupt for examle?
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mambaaai
@7000000 " even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt " now you sound like somebody else on this f0rum....was or is Mad!ba c0rrupt for example?
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MommaC
calling him "the Chris Hani of our times".Someone has been having a spiff next to the airconditioning vent or they got some magical cookies at tea time.
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Petrichor
Ronald Lamola hambo geza mani!Report Abuse
thembag0206
I think this battle is between ZUMA AND YOUTH LEAGUE,and it has become personal,now because the president of cosatu opt for the second term for Zuma and Vavi is sceptical about the president serving the second term,now Vavi is their choice how interesting?Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@mambaaaijjq ummm read there to the people and their electorate,
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Have these people noticed the same attitude issues you mention?
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MOSWA
Amandla, Leadeship revealed fearless and robust thats my man*give him a bells*Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@7000000Lamola is right here. I think Comrade Vavi can make a very Good Minister of Labour. After all he is pro poor, even though he have his fair share in Coruption as every leader is corrupt.
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He would have to understand his portfolio first to be a good minister, Vavi has a tendancy to not read between the lines.
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MD1
Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ? As for me,Im sure they have no idea what they want. They like small little children who want to throw tantrums when they don't get there way. First it was Mbeki with whom they couldnt get things right,now it President Zuma,who doesn't tolerate their crap, they want to get rid of him just because they cant get their way. Im a white male who doesn't vote ANC and may not always agree with the ANC BUT Im not going throw little temper tantrums just because Im not getting my way. Look what happened poor little Julius(idiot)(lol)..where is he now ?Shame !!!! When will they learn ??????Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@MD1Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ?
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JajazQueen
@MD1Does the ANCYL actually know what they want or doing ? As for me,Im sure they have no idea what they want. They like small little children who want to throw tantrums when they don't get there way. First it was Mbeki with whom they couldnt get things right,now it President Zuma,who doesn't tolerate their crap, they want to get rid of him just because they cant get their way. Im a white male who doesn't vote ANC and may not always agree with the ANC BUT Im not going throw little temper tantrums just because Im not getting my way. Look what happened poor little Julius(idiot)(lol)..where is he now ?Shame !!!! When will they learn ??????
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My brother from another mother, you are spot on!!!!!
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mambaaai
jjq clearly not, and sadly enough.....Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@mambaaaijjq clearly not, and sadly enough.....
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mmmhh??? So there's a high likelyhood your observations are actually your opinion??
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zaco'z
shut up now...its home time....pssssssReport Abuse
Hlalefi
You are right,im so sick and tired of this currupt ANC who is being led by the smiling mafia,looting our resources as if it is the end of the world,they steal in such a way that it is a norm to still as long as you are being protected by the smiling mafia you cant go any were,OH...MR VAVI can you please help my beloved SOUTH AFRICA,for the future of my children?please.ANC during the Zuma term turned the country to hell.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
THE HAND WRITES: JACOB ZUMA IS FINISHED POLITICALLY. HE HAS BEEN WEIGHED AND FOUND WANTING POLITICALLY!!!!!Report Abuse
tinkzo
Ya Lamola you right that Mvavisto will one day rule this country BUT don,t forget and you know better because you are the child of the bigger ANC that anc has a pool of leaders and since Mvavisto has never been made a deputy or a minister his chances will be very slim considering that Vavi opposes every move that the government takes like the recent e-toll debacle and labour brokers. Instead he can be silenced with a ministerial post like that of labour minister.but who knows maybe you are speaking from the position of strength comrade Lamola.Report Abuse
mambaaai
jjq..... general observations and opinions.... to quote Juju ......an ins!der for example..."We are used like t0ilet paper that is flvshed in the t0ilet. We are used like c0nd0ms - those who use condoms will know how c0nd0ms w0rk, they use them and they thr0w th3m [away] somewhere else." Julius Malema et al
Its kinda like an @bvsive non helping, husband who thinks you will never l3ave him so he carries on with his stuff. and gets w0rse. The bad apples feel way too c0mfortable...and so they get more and more braizen.... and the one bad apple affect the next and so on....
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T'dpole
Where has Buti been in the last year, this is the first time i heard of him in almost a year, shame being a young communist, can be confusing sometimesReport Abuse
Tshikhokhonono
Manamela must namela his truck and go home, he must shut up his big mouth.Report Abuse
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