!#Sinudeity#!

Indeed, the smell of spring is in the air.


"Firstly, the government will use violence and arrogance against the people instead of listening to the people's legitimate demands. Secondly, the people will increasingly use extreme measures to fight for recognition of their needs and desires. A confrontation is inevitable."

1st option: We go Syrian rebels on the government
2nd option: We resort to sabotaging government targets.
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OomGreat

Perhaps disregard for the consitution also deserves mention.
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child4real

This was the worst year of in the history of South Africa and the ANC. And its ging down the African way...if you know whatta mean!
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imfene

We as a people tend to be apathetic, so this will really only start once we start battling for food. Which probably means, once we are not producing enough food anymore or the rural birth rates drop.
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oldlady12

Imfene, I don't understand. What does the rural birth rates dropping have to do with battling for food. I would think that if the birth rates drop, food will be less of a problem?
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imfene

oldlady12

Yes, that was the intention - or until birth rates drop. Apologies for not communicating adequately.
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Moffdat

@Andile Mngxitama

Is this what you call objective journalism?
You're an idiot kiddo.... seek helpand free your bound mind!
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Honeybadger

Well it depends what your definition of a revolution is.
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BlackSeed

Andile, hurricanes will come and go but the birds and BlackSeed will continue to be nourished by Mother Nature.

Media and its journalist should stop this delusion that they are the adjudicators of righteousness and time.

You should stop writing about your Friday night’s discussion and report on news, not opinions or fabrications.

The Earth Farm is busy swallowing the KZN blood cloth; maybe that’s the Rise you should worry and write about

No mind control for me thank you

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CYBORICO

!#Sinudeity#!
Indeed, the smell of spring is in the air.


"Firstly, the government will use violence and arrogance against the people instead of listening to the people's legitimate demands. Secondly, the people will increasingly use extreme measures to fight for recognition of their needs and desires. A confrontation is inevitable."

1st option: We go Syrian rebels on the government
2nd option: We resort to sabotaging government targets.

the magority is to an extent happy with the gorvenment , they just want to see more delivery not a change in power, wena u have been brain washed a lot by right winger groups, let me ask u a question, what happens when u and your rebel gang were to find out that many of what u think will be easy targets have actualy gained some militory training while u were basking on the fact that only u and your kind received the said training, will u b happy with 30 000 vs 40 million type of civil war? so please stop fueling this war stuff just becauize its not your granddad siting at the presidential chair. actually the gov need to send the infantry to come scoop u up, u rttn piece of trash, u had years and years to mess the country up and when we try to fix it u want war? nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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CYBORICO

@blackseed
thanks Black seed, mind control over internet and media chanels has lead to many a blood shed
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!#Sinudeity#!

CYBORICO - "the magority is to an extent happy with the gorvenment"

Oh really? We've had a record amount of protests this year. More than any before in South African history.


"wena u have been brain washed a lot by right winger groups, let me ask u a question, what happens when u and your rebel gang were to find out that many of what u think will be easy targets have actualy gained some militory training"


My weapon isnt explosives or guns. Its my keyboard, pen and paper. You actually have faith in our military? Hows it going in Syria with the highly trained military against the rag-tag rebels?
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Mgaraji

Good & clever people can be thick at times. You are similar to those who predict 21/12/12 is the last day. Stop it Andile.
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Bahaeso

Andile is just a dreamer. He knows very well that the government that is rulling government has been elected democratically and it is only through the ballot box that it will be removed which does not look like it might happen anytime sooner to the media and and the likes of Andile's dislike. Hence the wish wof so many so called analysts. If you think the ANC has to be removed then you must go to the people and convince them as such. Articles like this will not in any way sway the will of the people. The people of Mzansi are not foolish.
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MasheleJ

@ CYBORICO

You sound just like one of those hated evil apartheid activists always wanting to resort to violence to intimidate and harm those with whom you disagree!

And whaddya mean "u had years and years to mess the country up and when we try to fix it..."

Are you seriously saying that you be unaware of the textbook saga, the failures of our health, education, infrastructure developments, tribal factionalism, police violence, labour and, of course, local corruption - to mention a just few of the most recent issues South Africa's suffered over the past 20 years of miserable and inept ANC leadership.

So how’s this “fixing” thing doing, then? Really??? Are y’all even familiar with the omni-shambles concept?

Know that if y’all cain’t even supervise the delivery of a few textbooks or manage provincial elective gatherings or run, for that matter, a politically restrictive national radio & tv station without getting hysterical and requiring
massive re-injections of public capital to re-stabilize the consequences of unskilful management by your hand-selected cadres

THEN

y’all have no business being in government, at all - ever!

You ruining the country even more with your stupid strutting around like you have even a modicum of ability and common sense but look around and wake up! See what you have with your

Give your head a hard shake and join us here in “reality land” please. We not even slightly overawed by your sly threats of “war“. And yes, I be one of your 40 million but I’m definitely not on your side either… You gonna shoot me?

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mkabayi

you have aptly captured the mood on the ground. conditions today are similar to those which preceded the formation of the congress youth league in the early 1940's. one which ap mda, one the most brilliant theoreticians this country has ever produced characterised as of general 'social and political ferment'. what can be learned from the egyptian revolution is this: the 'revolution' must be preceded and at least in part, be consciously directed by revolutionaries on the ground. we need clarity of purpose and vision. what elements must it contain? what do we mean by revolution? what qualitative difference will it hold in contrast with the current state of affairs?

your diagnosis that as of now, no radical 'pro-black' party exists in this country to prosecute these ends, thus even after the emergence of genuine popular uprisings such as happened in marikana and de doorns, the revolutionary spirit is thwarthed and extinguished because of this lack of clarity and of a total perspective. this is suprising since the country has a wealth of ultra-nationalist ideologies particularly from the 1940's (with anton lembede and ap mda) up to the seventies (with stephen biko and the black consciousness movement). the latter broadly spelt out the terms of engagement between the black nationalist forces and the racist oppressor when he quipped "we don't want to be spectators in the game we should be playing". while in the 1950's and 1960's africanist theorists like sobukwe elaborated on the nature of an african nationalist state. this he said would be unapologetically nationalist and socialist and in broad terms would seek to return the social and economic status of the indigenous african people more or less to what it was before colonialism.this the anc failed to do and is ill-disposed to achieve because from the days of its re-interpretation of the nature of struggle in sa, it seeks democratic reform within this system created by european foreigners. it does not make a distinction between the african nation and the european settler nation and its descendants. it attempts to marry the two forces with contradictory interest in the name of a 'south african nation'.
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TjoVtjo

Very good analysis, the only question I have is, is this what we have left after the final edit? I'm asking this question to ask whether this is what the struggle has come to? Is this the end of the road? Should we throw in the towel and call it a day? I think there's still time for the ANC to get things right. I don't want to believe that after spending years in Jail, or exiled, away from a mother you never got to bury and a siblings that still bear the physical scars of being brutally beaten by the police, that you would just throw your aspirations away just like that. What happened to the ideals of freeing the people, and the people shall govern? I wonder really.

We live in very interesting times.
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mkabayi

@cyborico

my friend, you must just familiarise yourself with the history of the liberation struggle in sa. briefly, after the death of anton lembede, the dynamic, militant nationalist who was unanimously elected to be the inaugural congress youth league president by such esteemed group of young intellectuals like mda, tambo, mandela, majombozi, sisulu and others, things started going wrong.

what we see today is a direct consequense of what happened then. a faction of the youth league, which was fiercely nationalist, militant, totally against communism but very much 'socialistic', this faction - was duped by the congress of democrats and communists (both of whom were led by wealthy whites) - began to re-interpret the nature of the freedom struggle as a political one, a fight for democratic reform well within the limitations of the western parliamentary system instead of being a struggle against colonisation by european foreigners who had introduced other foreigners - the indians -to these shores in order to further their racist, capitalist interests. this struggle - for decolonisation and re-possession of land stolen from the indigenous african people at the barrel of a gun was abandoned by this faction, at the urging and enticement of wealthy whites and indian liberals and so-called communists. resulting from their hobnobbing with their former sworn enemies, they then delivered the original congress, through elist and undemocratic means to the communist party, which still today controls it.these so-called communists are neither revolutionary no democratic even though they ostensibly use radical, leftist rhetoric. they are only there for their narrow party interest and even capitalist accumulation. see all the 'communist' ministers today.

please READ the social and political history of sa in the 1940's - 1950 to grasp this background. you will then realise that all those cadres who sacrifised their lives and limbs for the 'struggle' were actually deceived by their principals -who ceased the first available opportunity to settle for a compromise deal with the oppressor in order to secure high office in govt and in business for themselves and their white liberal and 'communist' friends at the expense of the masses. thus things like BEE will only work for the politically connected. no serious attempt to improve basic education exists, which will underpin genuine liberation because the cosatu teacher unions are also infected by this anc bug of greed. the teachers, by and large, wont improve their competence because they too want high office and tenders and will never be satisfied with earning a professional salary.
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