MorenaWaPolelo

The retrenchment will be massive and I see this happen before year end or early next year, the shareholders will not part with that amount of money for the sake of miners that I know!!!
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jerico

LONMIN will never and i repeat will never hire anyone after this instead they will be retrenching some of the miners just to balance their budget.
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Mosquer

If they would've listen that money would've been a gain.

zooma got a salary increase. more than 2.6 a year.
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Flemza

Its a pity if if these miners will be retrenched now , but they asked for it and I don`t care
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Msiphos00

Kwasuka ke lokho.
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RVP

Thats small change for the mine, they'll make it back within 2-3weeks.
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Limpopoist

Remember tha article about the richest poeple in SA,most at in mining idustry and I believe fight is about how much they will esecure for their pocket OR allow miner to have something in their pocket
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MorenaWaPolelo

Mosquer
He got 5.5% sir
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Chichi7

They asked for it
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JohnStone

@Mosquer
If they would've listen that money would've been a gain.

zooma got a salary increase. more than 2.6 a year.
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Zuma does not work for Lonmin, or does he? The last time I checked, Zuma was president of the Republic of South Africa. This country has had presidents who served before Zuma and they were not volunteers, they all earned their salaries and and also received increases, stop bitching about the president's salary because it will never change irrespective of who the president is, the least you can do is to try, try very hard to also become president of your local stokvel.

Back to the real issue of Lonmin, it is very clear that we the public were lied to about how much the miners earned. The lowest paid at Lonmin (general workers) are receiving 22% ( R 1400), that takes them to just above R 9000. If indeed they earned R 4000, that would only translate to R 5 400. People died because of lies, repeated lies that started to sound like the truth.

The real truth will come out when Lonmin starts retrenching, I am certain AMCU and Julius will not set foot at Wonderkop for fear of what the miners will do to them. Only time will tell..............
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Factman

HELP!!!!!

@SOWETAN OR FELLOW BLOGGERS

does anyone have info on company called NET INCOME SOLUTIONS it promises ppl 2% on daily basis if u invest R1000 their website is DEFENCEX
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jerico

Mosquer & MorenaWaPolelo
who are we supposed to believe you guys are like the ANC and ANCYL.jerrrr
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MorenaWaPolelo

jerico
Mosquer & MorenaWaPolelo
who are we supposed to believe you guys are like the ANC and ANCYL.jerrrr
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Ha ha ha ha ha
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babyfats

lol Johnstone thats so true and theres no truth lyk de thing is dat no one want to stand for de truth.
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Mosquer

Kgane bana zooma ba reng? Who said he must not get paid?



jerico
Mosquer & MorenaWaPolelo
who are we supposed to believe you guys are like the ANC and ANCYL.jerrrr
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zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo

I feel sorry for the Lonmin workers is retrenchments have to take place, I can't say they deserve it, everyone deserve a quality of life, cost of living is too high, inflation rate is rising exponentially and salaries are stagnant. Some people I work with, take home more than R10,000.00 above my salary, they are non-performers, the issues of salaries are very frustrating. That is why people are resorting to drastic measures.
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|Sinudeity|

Meanwhile, the Zimbabwean miners got a 5% increase. They now earn R1600 a month.
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ILLUMINATED

@MorenaWaPolelo and JohnStone

Spot on, as for me I can see Hegelian dialect at play here. Thesis: Low salaries -> protests -> retrenchments -> unemployment -> poverty ->crime + Lack of service delivery + corruption & greed, Antithesis: more protests + looting + damage to property + killings
Synthesis: New World Order
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Mogwapatholo

Factman

Do't you think that everyone would have invested in that company if that was true.

JohnStone

I agree with you, we were lied to big time and a have lost all the sympathy i had for these miners except for the unfortunate dead. after seeing the figures i still don't understand what the big noice was all about.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

"In hindsight, the strike at Lonmin mine might not have taken place if empowerment structures implemented by mining companies Exxaro and Kumba Iron Ore were replicated," Nalla said.
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This Nalla is 100% right all these caused by greediness of the employers and R504-million is nothing compare to what these poor employees have lost after all these years,why do they worry for such peanuts?
If mining industry(bargaining council) doesnt sit down with all mines to ask them to give their employees what Marikana people got/better earnings this industry is gonna suffer a lot.
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The-Vince

Oh well, should they listened and weighed their options, I don't think it would have come to this but instead they were too concerned about filling more to their pockets, just a simple solution could have been reached before hand.Thats a heck of a lot of moola they lost.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

@|Sinudeity|

Meanwhile, the Zimbabwean miners got a 5% increase. They now earn R1600 a month.
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So,what must we do with zimbabweans getting 5% increase.They deserve it because they dream small we the mzansi dream big the reason we deserve big (22+%)?
Even 1,1/2 is too much for them.

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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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So,what must we do with zimbabweans getting 5% increase.They deserve it because they dream small we the mzansi dream big the reason we deserve big (22+%)?
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Please tell me how big are the dreams of the 1000's that are now going to lose their jobs?

You know, the guys who lied about their salaries and will now have nothing with their 10 dependents who is too stupid to use a condom.
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ktzo

Lonmin did not loose the money, they just did not produce so they didnt sell any platinum. bt the platinum will still be mined, so they musnt say they lost.
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Hail

If they were real mangers they should have prevented that on the first day or week by engaging in negotiation. They waited until people dies and loose income. That amount is not even what they give to miners in a month so they can shut up and clean their own mess. Time wasted never regain. They should be asking themselves how are they going to do to increase production? and moved on. I hope they have learned from this stupid mistake, they have failed as managers.
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negro

The mine workers had the right to demand from Lonmin just as much at they give to Lonmin. Its sad that we keep pointing fingers and that we all susceptible to amnesia when it comes to the history of this country. The legacy of black oppression is that give a black man what you feel is good for him, as a white boss. Well black bosses exploits black labourers too but in the case of Lonmin it is clear that this country is not even close to what could be referred to as transformation. If people knew about Willy Lynch, they would understand that the protest for a better life (that anc has promised the poor) is nothing to fear. If people lose jobs that would be unfortunate
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Tjaytm

I heard that Lomin will be closing one of their shaft next month that will see 1500 miners being retrenched I see another strike coming.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

@SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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So,what must we do with zimbabweans getting 5% increase.They deserve it because they dream small we the mzansi dream big the reason we deserve big (22+%)?
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Please tell me how big are the dreams of the 1000's that are now going to lose their jobs?
You know, the guys who lied about their salaries and will now have nothing with their 10 dependents who is too stupid to use a condom.
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Equality in the work space eg,the same scale of money with the white boy next to me who does exactly what i'm doing everyday,that's the big dream of the mzansis.
We're not doves we want and believe in huge family the thing making us realise we've been robbed by you guys since what u're giving us doesnt cover all the expenditure of our family jaa.

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|Sinudeity|

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - So, you want to be paid like a director so you can afford your 20+ children? :P
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|Sinudeity|

Anyways, retrenchments in the mining sector are on the way.
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MommaC

I don't see Lonmin surviving this unless they downsize the workforce and mechanise. The miners have cut off their noses to spite their own faces.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

@|Sinudeity|

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - So, you want to be paid like a director so you can afford your 20+ children? :P
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If i'm a black director I deserve it,colour of my skin must not decide how much must I get whilst the someone who doesnt look like me get more than I get because of colour,dipsh*t.

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|Sinudeity|

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem here, is when you are not a director, but you want to be paid like one. And in your example, so you can finance your lifestyle of having too many kids.

If the white dude gets paid more than you, then he deserves it. Apparently co-workers regularly tell their colleagues how much they earn?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

@|Sinudeity|

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem here, is when you are not a director, but you want to be paid like one. And in your example, so you can finance your lifestyle of having too many kids.

If the white dude gets paid more than you, then he deserves it. Apparently co-workers regularly tell their colleagues how much they earn?
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No,but for people who are in salary departments everything is pasted infront of their faces and we brothers/blacks we say everything to our friends in such ways everyone could know about his colleague's earning.I knew my ex superior was getting R65800+ whilst his task is to put his @ss on the chair then he leaves,and qualifications for managerial position or what the company's doing "zero".
"That's called the sh*t"

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MommaC

JohnStone

I have been trying to tell everyone for ages that the thumbsuck figure of R4,000 was a lie. They don't even mention the various bonuses which are paid to the underground miners. Some of those rock drillers are taking home more than R12,5000 a month - some go as high as R15000. Not bad for someone who is considered semi-skilled
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ktzo

@MommaC, I stay in Rustenburg in a village called phokeng. At home we have back rooms where this miners stay. And I must say the highest I saw was a guy with a take home of R4900. It is really bad, they cant even afford our rent of R300 a month. I am really serious this guys are suffering its not a joke. If you really want me to bring you prove I can.
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Moffdat

"The mining sector employs 357,000 people who each has up to 10 dependants''
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lol ha ha ha ha!!!! Moffdat can stop laughing! You know their new pay raise is going to lead to more babies right!
All miners need to be castrated to avoid more fatherless children or have the pay raise go directly ro raising their children cause you know they are going to squander this money!!!
Come on people we all know what's gonna happen. Time to buy more shares in SAB... If only you could only invest in BLACK LABEL and Black Label alone!!! lol haha This story is killing me...

MOFFDAT is amused!
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Spice2

So they were losing about R15m a day ? Yet they dont want to pay R12500. can you please explain this greed !
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Moffdat

|Sinudeity|

I suggest you keep your girl away from miners kidd. Cause they are ... BALLING!!! lol
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MommaC

ktzo,

What do those miners do in the mines? There is a big difference between a rail-sweeper and a rock driller,
What do those miners get for a housing allowance? Most mines give a mining allowance of between 980 and 1,200.
Do those miners have garnashe orders on their pay or other deductions? Not many people get away with having no deductions on their salary slips
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madimetsha

Lonmin planned to close down a shaft operated by Murray and Roberts on contract. This would lead to 1200 lost jobs. It had also cancelled plans for a new development, costing a potential 3000 jobs.

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I did say after the Marikana we will be followed by job losses,in Lonmin.......hardly a day....not all will benefit the 22% increase as they will be jobless/


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Moffdat

MommaC

How are you going to feel if your daughter comes home with her dream guy and it turns out to be a miner -rock driller? At least you know he can kind of take care of her! lol ha ha
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omathivha

They have lost nothing compared with huge profit they have been making by super-exploiting workers and the lives lost while demanding decent salaries. Devil is simply giving back what he has stolen from people of South Africa
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Moffdat

madimetsha

There is a miner out there so happy right now because he is finally in your league! lol
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MommaC

Spice2

When you get your paycheque on the first, do you still have the same amount left over on the 31st?

Mining is very expensive. Lonmin has huge debts as well as massive overheads. If you think that Eiskom is killing us, can you imagine what their electricty bill is every month!
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MommaC

Moffdat

If an underground miner was good enough to marry my great gran, I don't see why one wouldn't be good enough for my daughter :)
Mind you, she is a clean freak of note so he'd better get cleaned up before hometime,
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Moffdat

MommaC

A clean miner. That would be classic. I can imagine it already! Honey go wash the sweat, asbestos, sulphuric acid, thiners and spirit of salts off cause we have to go pay my mum a visit... lol. Rather you then me!
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The-Rothschilds

I actually blame Lonmin now completely.

Lonmin in Australia pays their rock drillers $12 000 AUS which is about R80 000 a month.

Why can the same company not do the same here?
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BlackSeed

When they campaign they promise Jobs, when you vent your frustration they promise Job loss. That’s how vampires work; they drink blood of the innocence and laugh about it.

This is pure manipulation and labor dictatorship

That’s why FIRE is need during an uprising, to ensure that nothing is left of the vampires.

A perfect example is to look at the Earth Farm when it vents its frustration with an Earth Quake - it puts all of us in the same refuse bag; all colors like a traditional Sunday dish.

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|Sinudeity|

BlackSeed - If you play with fire, you get burnt. Isnt that the entire lesson from the past month? The retrenchments are coming.
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MommaC

The-Rothschilds

There is nothing such a thing as a simple 'rock drill operator' in Australia, They are rock face operators which means they drill, shore and blast. If you take the three jobs to do that here and put the salaries all together, they actually pay a bit more in SA.
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BlackSeed

|Sinudeity|

I am not talking about the controlled fire in the Farms; maybe they need to borrow the evil spirit of the late Jonas Savimbi as a guide.

These mines must all be wrecked so the natural Earth Farm resources can rest in peace; otherwise they will continue to cause division and death in the market because of greed

Again I say, this country is full of Words is mightier than a sword type (amagwala), yet they believe in a religion that teaches wrath for victory and salvation.

No one wants to be Poor and die but they all want to witness it

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alima2000

@The-Rothschilds
I actually blame Lonmin now completely.

Lonmin in Australia pays their rock drillers $12 000 AUS which is about R80 000 a month.

Why can the same company not do the same here?
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Because salary isn't the only thing involved, another is productivity ( in which SA is among the worst in the world), another is mining there is more capital extensive, whereas he mining is more labour intensive to provide as much jobs as possible.

So while the miners in Australia may get paid more, they are 70% more productive for the same amount of labour than the US (which is seen as the standard for productivity).

P.S. Where did you find out they get paid the equivalent of R80,000 per month?

according to this site they earn around 6K USD per month which is about R51,000.

http://mhambi.com/2012/09/are-south-african-miners-getting-a-fair-wage/
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ktzo

@ MommaC - I will be at home this weekend will come with a more accurate answer of how much they really earn.
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