Is a democratic country why cant an ordinary man speak his mind and address the masses? Are these not fascist tendencies? Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Danger1985
In a a democratic country why cant an ordinary man speak his mind and address the masses? Are these not fascist tendencies? Is it now wrong to question authority, is this not suppression of the highest order? Report Abuse
The SAPS yesterday they did a good job by blocking and taking out poor Malema. This guy need Dr. Phil to councel him. He is not an employer nor CCMA and he put his nose on the striking miners. He is a lost sheep, he does not have any political organisation that he belongs,just ordinary South African. Amandla amapolisa amandla! Report Abuse
But that was uncalled for. What was the reason behind denying Juju to go to the stadium? This is really what was happening Pre 1994 elections. Report Abuse
The miners wanted him to go and address them, and he has got right to address them this is a free society, the mampara thoughts that he is insighting violent its bulshit Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
I dont like the small boy but democraticaly this is what our leaders fought for i.e. the right to express your opinion and if you ask me I think its a shame what happened to Julius!!! They should have allowed him to speak at the gathering and if he incited the crowd then arrest him not the other way round. We need to allow people to exercise their rights. I must say that I found the conversation between him and the police intteresting:
Police: " If you walk in there you will be arrested!!
Malema: 'What do you mean i will arrested?? Ok arrest me!!!"
Police: 'I say if you walk in there you will be arrested"
Malema:' Arrested for walking? He banna!!! He banna!! Arrested for walking???? Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
befese
Juju you are the Best, that is what ANC taught you Bathathe! boy. HAWKS o tswe mo Juju. Most of the Labour Hire's within Anglo American belongs to Big Guys in the COMPANY, that is what you should investigate. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
Thousands of miners have already lost job because of Juju, one day when miners come to their senses they will kill this boy.
You can peacefully stay with the lions in their den, but once they get angry............! Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
, Eish, now i'm starting to be scared for Juju's security, Please juju be careful, i really wanna bed you first before anything bad happens to you Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
mlamuli
Good Job indeed SAPS,,, This Malema guy is using miners for his political vendeter//// Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Danger1985
what violence has Malema incited?It is not Malema who told Lonmin to pay a miserly wage/salary/stipend of R4500. Malema is simply enlightening the people on their rights and the obligations that theyir employer and their leaders (ANC) have. I find ot ludicrous and shameful that he was barred to speak to the miners. The ANC NEC needs new advisors as they are continually embarrasing themselves and on the international scene. This is a delicate manner that needs to be dealt with appropriately.
@ Lordhave Mercy please kindly elaborate on how Malema made workers lose their jobs? Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ktzo
Some Black people are idiots, especially black police, they earn peanuts and subsidese their salaries by collecting bribes. Now they are blocking their Black brothers from collecting more money from the mines. What a shame can blacks really think logically??? Leave malema help the poor miners. By blocking him you are making the rich greedy few balcks and rich whites win. Poor black police idiots. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
lucky7
SA is slowly becoming a police state...it's a shame when people are denied the right to express their view. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ndhandhazi
Negotiations are going well without JULIUS . Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
y r black people always policed, y, where ever black people settle whether in a suburb or even at work, security companies such as ADT or HiTech have to be deployed, Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Shredder
@ktzo - Those police you are talking about did not just wake up and say we are going to stop Julius Malema from addressing the miners. Obviously the acted on instructions. Give them a break please. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
KAWUKHONJWA
Where JuJu had worked? How did failed to advance his course during his hearing proceeding or to start with how was his first approach to his hearing proceeding, did closed his loopholes or did aggravate them? The answer is Juju was stupid in his approach prior to his hearing sitting and his presentation was unintelligent that culminated into his dismissal from ANC. How can he helps the mine workers now from their predicament situations, nothing at all except to endeavor to redeem his political career at expense of degrading those who are in power. Same old tricks Malema do not apply in the all incidents, shame mfana wami, get rid of the fats first, you learn think proper and realistic. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Maqhankqa
Papgat:
The SAPS yesterday they did a good job by blocking and taking out poor Malema. This guy need Dr. Phil to councel him.
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You are missing the point. The country prides itself by having the most progressive constitutions in the modern era, the 1996 Constitution, which espouses among other things freedom of association and speech. Those police you are praising had no regard for our Constitution infact they broke the law by preventing Malema from exercising his rights as a citizen of this country.
Lord-Have-Mercy:
I so wish your names desire will be fulfilled. Why not should he not wear the ANC t-shirt? Must Malema take all the paraphernalia of the ANC and give them to you? Malema still regards himself as a member of the ANC whether you like it or not. I suspect he is more ANC than you and the rest of your friends. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ChampRef
Le mo dirile sentle, HE THINKS HE RULE THIS COUNTRY. Misleading the poor miners, sies, you should be ashamed of yourself le dichominyana tsa gago tsa ditlaela. mxm Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
peterphaladi
anc is goin down to the rotten ppl like ramaphosa and zuma family, south africa wil be like zimbabwe cum 2020 because of dictator zuma Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
letwadi
I think Malema did well by leaving the place, the police wanted him to refused and enter the stadium by force, in so doing they would shoot and kill him and claim that he was inciting violence, as one of the police officers is heard saying he will shoot him.
This whole thing is diverting atention from the real issues there at Marikana, which is the R12500.00 demanded and the massacred miners. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Amza2010
i think our goverment is threatened by JUJU for speaking what people want to hear. I find it ludicrous and shameful that he was barred to speak to the miners. let us not forget that they see him as a hero.as he was the one who help them with lawyers when they needed protection from our gorvenment. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Danger1985
@ Peterphaladi I agree with you to a certain extent: SA will however not be like Zim thats one thing for sure BUT things will be the same and wuill get worse for the ordinary b.l.a.c.k South African. We will be continually opressed when we want to fight for our rights and it will be through the people we electe into public offices/power. The truth be told SA is a first world country for those that have the means and modes of production and it is a third world country for rthe masses. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
BlackLucky
For me I think Malema has just gained more power from yesterdays incident than many of us may think we was shamed. He has shown that he is the biggest threat to the current government that thinks for themselves but not the society. Malema for correction has nothing to do with miners losing jobs, violence taking place at Marikana as far as I know. The miners lost jobs before Malema addressed them, the violence erupted before Malema addressed the miners. We don't expect someone who has been a Lonmin employee for more than 20 years to be still earning a mere R4500. What the the hell is that? I think Malema is just doing what our so called president should be doing instead of partying at conferences. Politics are not my interest and I am not a Malema follower but I think Zuma and his government should their weakest link yesterday where they stopped a citizen from exercising his right which is in the country's constitution. If the miners are misled then they were misled before Malema because he came in the picture a long after the killings. They say Lonmin lost something like 900Million since the strike, I believe even that won't make a total annum amount for the entire employees if paid the salary they are requesting. Lets be realistic and look at the bigger picture than just commenting for the sake of it. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Bathathe Fascism, this is the beginning of things to come, shower will get his 2nd go at fncking up, The fake commie Blade will recruit more of his IFP friends and carry more money in more plastic bags, motlanthe will remain the mute follower, Vavi will keep confusing ppl with his doublespeak. ANC will win elections and the poor will remain poor. Malema I'm afraid will not realise his mangaung aspirations, cant say its sad though, he made his bed, shoved the spear down our throats in the process, its him against the state now (resources and all). Bathathe Fascism. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
P4T
South Africa as a comic show is now making hits all over the world. Julius and government's comedy of errors are making headlines in CNN, BBC and Sky News.
Haai, there is no peace!
If ANC appreciates what's best for itself and sustainability then it should realise that neither Juju nor JZ is good for the party. True story. Neither side is good for the party's progress. A neutral leader ought to be sought to lead the movement otherwise dead is its middle name. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Mbongo
Salute to the police, they did a good job. We can't have a person like this boy who is busy messing up our country. Thanks that they did not beat him but they just prevented him to open his stink mouth. He must be barred from every gathering. If he thinks that it is his democratic right to incite counter-revolution, he must go back to his backers and tell them that we are aware about their intention and they are not gonna pass. Viva SAPS Viva. Uzobethwa kwedini uyageza qha. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother the right goes with the obligation. Everybody has the right of speech, but the obligation is not to incite. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Maqhankqa
letwadi:
I fully agree with you he did a good thing by leaving the place. My fear to the whole thing is that the situation could have easily led to the killing of Malema under the disguise of commotion and trying to maintain order by the police. It is blatantly clear that someone is instructing the police to fight political battles. Those who dislike Malema will sing praises of the police but this country is cascading into the abyss of dictatorship. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
THEmadame2B-BBEE
y r black people always policed, y, where ever black people settle whether in a suburb or even at work, security companies such as ADT or HiTech have to be deployed
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N what does this have to do with the article dear? Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
1. first of all, this is and was an illegal strike which means all employees who do not report at work are potentially fired
2. AMCU is not an official union ,its propably a new union that has to follow proper channels to be recognised
3. When striking you dont carry weapons only placats are allowed (these people already killed two police men and two security guards in the early days of strike)
4. When striking you freeze the man power, that leads to no production, if there is no production then the company will feel the heat while Talks between a recognised union and company representatives are on going.
5. When striking the most valuable thing to a striker is Job Security which means there shoul be an agreement letter between an employee and an employer to strike
6. Julius can be right to support the miners but he can be automatically wrong if he too support an illegal strike
7. It is wrong to address people wearing an ANC clothing while addressing the masses whereas there is no mandate from the ANC let alone if you not a member of the organisation
8. Most of us here striked before so u'll understand. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Lehido
That must have happened a long time ago.......While negotiations are underway, workers should have trust in their represenatatives, go back to work for their families in the mean time, because some end of the month, there went be any income........."NO WORK NO PAY"
Then until such time that there are deadlocks, then ressume strikking again...this malema bafoon is inciting violence and he makes miners believe that the negotiations is waste of time....
BIG UPS TO THE SAPS for throwing the fat out Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
mashima?
The focus now is on JUJU no longer at the need of the miners, why? we need the updates and development about Marikana's issue.
JuJu was not going to interfere if the mine striker's issues were attended within a manageable time, they feel ignored.
Why the responsible people waited until the issue went out of hands and lended in JUJU's soft hands.
ANC government we are pleading with you not to misuse your powers, the country is crying for the help you promised them, if you don't or keep on promising like an irresponsible lover, people will turn away and look for the new lover.
Nevermind, JUJU's heart is at the mine nationalisation. This issue is at the centre of her heart, WHY? nobody knows.
What if he was quiet, while he started crying about nationalisation longtime ago. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Maqhankqa
Papgat:
I hear you Papgat, though I don't like the latter part of your name, we cannot jump into conclusions about incitement as if we know what Malema was going to say yesterday. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother the English speaking says 'Prevention is better than cure'. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Lehido
Lord-Have-Mercy
1. first of all, this is and was an illegal strike which means all employees who do not report at work are potentially fired
2. AMCU is not an official union ,its propably a new union that has to follow proper channels to be recognised
3. When striking you dont carry weapons only placats are allowed (these people already killed two police men and two security guards in the early days of strike)
4. When striking you freeze the man power, that leads to no production, if there is no production then the company will feel the heat while Talks between a recognised union and company representatives are on going.
5. When striking the most valuable thing to a striker is Job Security which means there shoul be an agreement letter between an employee and an employer to strike
6. Julius can be right to support the miners but he can be automatically wrong if he too support an illegal strike
7. It is wrong to address people wearing an ANC clothing while addressing the masses whereas there is no mandate from the ANC let alone if you not a member of the organisation
8. Most of us here striked before so u'll understand.
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To those who are talking about democracy, freedom of speech, democratic Constitution, human rights these are all as the results of the struggle by ANC not COPE, DA, FREEDOM FRONT, HOLOMISA'S etc. Under apartheid there was not such. Now you cannot come and tell us about these things because we brought it to liberate you. Stop using what the people of SA under leadership of the ANC achieved. You call counter-revolution tactics as freedom of speech when Malema incite anarchy. For the fact that you even able to write in the media about political issues, you must thank the ANC, because under apartheid, security forces you were going to be hunt down and be killed. But under ANC government no one is going to hunt you down. Anarchists like Malema would not be tolerated. We will treat him as a counter-revolutionary the same way counter-revolutionary have been treated in countries like Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe etc. He is joining the likes of Jonas Savimbi, Alfonso Dlakama etc. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
LesiloR
People-) each and every dog his its day so let process unfold, who is juju in this issues of mines also wearing ANC logo shirt.? He had no time for workers before now coz he has no paltform to speaks his nonsense hes using poor workers whos fighting for they are own rights. @ shredder theres no one who deny this boy an opportunity, his provoking workers and using this platform to express his emotions also insulting Leaders of the ruling party and others parties. Lets comment on this side with an open minds not just to comment. @ Danger 1985-) an ordinary men bring solutions not putting petrol on fire, sello stay in the fancy houses and his family are feed well how about those workers who are striking on an empty stomach.? I hope all who still following sello they just dont know the importance of the lifes of ordinary citizen of this country. Viva saps vavi job well done yesterday keep it up the hawks do your Jobs as well. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
malizho1
Nah what happened is just unprofessional, it shows to me that Zuma is a coward he fears Malema with his whole heart. This is a democratic country every body got a freedom of speech. Those mine owners they are incompetent and they deserve this is then that they will unearth this selfishness they have. I don't second Malema but am saying is a right thing what he is doing.
Let us not vague mine worker they deserve what they are fighting for and am a prominent member of them. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Mbongo
Malema must stop wearing the ANC marked clothes. He was fired and no longer a member. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Maqhankqa
Papgat:
So as the supreme law of the country says:
My black Brothers and Sisters, only if you you read the SA Constitution, which is free at post office, the you will understand why Malema keeps on forging ahead without any fear, people just talk a lot but are clueless about current affairs, politics, economy or what freedom really means. Nothing stops him from doing what he does.
And for those who ask why Malema is wearing an ANC shirt...anyone can wear any party t.shirt or colours, as long as they expect my vote, i will wear it, i don't have to affilliate to to any party to wear their t.shirt Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ktzo
@Shatter - Were they also acting under instruction when they shot poor miners? Dont they have minds of their own? Black police are stupid period. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ChampRef
@Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother the right goes with the obligation. Everybody has the right of speech, but the obligation is not to incite.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT DEAR, just wish we can all see with one eye, but that is impossible. You follow a fool, you look just like one. Really, he is going to be left in the bush alone, not even in the bush, ko toronkong.
@Maqhankqa my brother someone need to read our constition correctly. Whe it says the right of expression, it does not mean incitement. Your comrade Malema is notorious on speeches. The freedom of association, it does not be misinterpreted, for example Malema used to say he leave by the left over while he was rich. Today he said is the voice of the voiceless, which i perceived as a misinterpretation of freedom of associations. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
MABIDIKAMA
Write off Juju at your own peril, but watch this boy in a few years to come.
we allways had such leaders before, pity today when you speak your mind your are labelled a fool or a threat to the country, yet the very same poeple complain in their kitchens and shebeens. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Danger1985
Dear Sowetan, awe have noted with great concern that your home page has for the lack of a better word "dull issues" why is this stroty and the ones taht are making national headlines under your home page. we want to hear more on what is happening on marikana and more on what happened to malema yesterday viz a viz freedom of speech, association right now.
nwes iol reports that the miners have been given a once off offer of R1500 for them to return to work
http://www.iol.co.za/business/business-news/lonmin-brings-bonus-to-negotiation-table-1.1385401 Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ChampRef
LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF CONCERN, COMRADES YOU ARE STARS: To You My Comrades,
@Papgat
@Mbongo
@LesiloR
@Lehido
Happy to see there people out there whom does not believe and follow the fatboy.
VIVA TO REASONABLE COMMENTS BY INTELLECTS VIVA Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ChampRef
Malema o shebagala a tsofetse, he looks just like an old man for his age. Delela madelela Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
Maqhankqa
Papgat:
I comprehend fully well where you are coming from, but, even if you disagree with Malema's previous utterances, if you believe in the Constitution you should defend his rights as espoused by the Constitution though you differ with him. Papgat, I like your thought processes.
@ChampRef
I think the debate beyond your medula oblongata. Go and read what is meant by principles, maybe you will stop from seeing fools. Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
sabza007
I may not agree with Malema's behaviour or rhetoric talks but what happened to him at Marikana yesterday was wrong. His right of movement and his right to speak was abused by the police.They should have dragged him out of the stadium if he had spoke inflammatory statements when he addressed the crowd. Legally, his rights were violated. Report Abuse
"Seoka said workers were of the view that soldiers should protect the country and not privately owned entities such as mines."
Good one. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that one. Militant Zuma, whom are you protecting at the taxpayers expense?
Illegal Gatherings Act. Are we still in Apartheid State? Of course you will use this against "certain churches" who gather on the day of the Lord which you and your Master Satan hate! Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ChampRef
@Maqhankqa
Nothing you say will change the fact that he looks like an old man (ESPECIALLY FOR HIS AGE, O TSOFATSWA KE GO TELLA). I chose the kind of people that I can argue with and have mentioned them, you are not one of them, so please get lost like your friend malema.
If thuto ene e go etsa gore o tlhalose dintho ka tsela eo o di tlhalosang ka yona, one otla bona gore the fatboy is bad news. You sound like a very brilliant person, so stop putting your nose where it does not belong. You talk freedom of speech, so what? Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
ktzo
Pea minded people forget that ANC is not for the few elites who can do as they please. Malema was fired in the ANC for allegations of divisions. ANC has been divided for a long time snce the holomisa years. Not every member of ANC approaved the NEC findings even members of the NEC themselves some did not agree. So he can do as he wants. He has been very instrumental in helping the miners, The state itself did nothing the worst was wanting to charge them with murder after the police shooting. What a disgrace from the ANC Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
moralett
But who do you think you are? Yes th shirt of ANC, i told you now is the time, becarefull Juju. No one can stand in front of you. In the first place why you have to address people who does n't want to be address buy you,the mine workers they want only money not you, you give them wrong information, Julius STOP you're nonces man. Yesterday you we promise, you a so lucky to be where you are today. Repela ntate Report Abuse
Sep 18, 2012
TheMan2000
Now Juju knows that this is not a Banana country, there are systems in place which can be used against any person. Report Abuse
Sep 19, 2012
nalita
Malema still loves ANC , and he wishes to be the next president of SA. Report Abuse
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Danger1985
Is a democratic country why cant an ordinary man speak his mind and address the masses? Are these not fascist tendencies?Report Abuse
Danger1985
In a a democratic country why cant an ordinary man speak his mind and address the masses? Are these not fascist tendencies? Is it now wrong to question authority, is this not suppression of the highest order?Report Abuse
Shredder
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It was comical to see that incident. "Is it unlawful to walk? Hey banna! I am going to the community hey banna!' LOL
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Shredder
@tpaz - Hello sweetyReport Abuse
Papgat
The SAPS yesterday they did a good job by blocking and taking out poor Malema. This guy need Dr. Phil to councel him. He is not an employer nor CCMA and he put his nose on the striking miners. He is a lost sheep, he does not have any political organisation that he belongs,just ordinary South African. Amandla amapolisa amandla!Report Abuse
babyfats
yooooooooooo kaze iyozala nkomoniReport Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Bathathe anarchist!!Report Abuse
Shredder
But that was uncalled for. What was the reason behind denying Juju to go to the stadium? This is really what was happening Pre 1994 elections.Report Abuse
Lord-Have-Mercy
Why is Juju wearing ANC shirt? why?Report Abuse
Voetzek
The miners wanted him to go and address them, and he has got right to address them this is a free society, the mampara thoughts that he is insighting violent its bulshitReport Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
I dont like the small boy but democraticaly this is what our leaders fought for i.e. the right to express your opinion and if you ask me I think its a shame what happened to Julius!!! They should have allowed him to speak at the gathering and if he incited the crowd then arrest him not the other way round. We need to allow people to exercise their rights. I must say that I found the conversation between him and the police intteresting:Police: " If you walk in there you will be arrested!!
Malema: 'What do you mean i will arrested?? Ok arrest me!!!"
Police: 'I say if you walk in there you will be arrested"
Malema:' Arrested for walking? He banna!!! He banna!! Arrested for walking????
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befese
Juju you are the Best, that is what ANC taught you Bathathe! boy. HAWKS o tswe mo Juju. Most of the Labour Hire's within Anglo American belongs to Big Guys in the COMPANY, that is what you should investigate.Report Abuse
Lord-Have-Mercy
Thousands of miners have already lost job because of Juju, one day when miners come to their senses they will kill this boy.You can peacefully stay with the lions in their den, but once they get angry............!
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THEmadame2B-BBEE
, Eish, now i'm starting to be scared for Juju's security, Please juju be careful, i really wanna bed you first before anything bad happens to youReport Abuse
mlamuli
Good Job indeed SAPS,,, This Malema guy is using miners for his political vendeter////Report Abuse
Danger1985
what violence has Malema incited?It is not Malema who told Lonmin to pay a miserly wage/salary/stipend of R4500. Malema is simply enlightening the people on their rights and the obligations that theyir employer and their leaders (ANC) have. I find ot ludicrous and shameful that he was barred to speak to the miners. The ANC NEC needs new advisors as they are continually embarrasing themselves and on the international scene. This is a delicate manner that needs to be dealt with appropriately.@ Lordhave Mercy please kindly elaborate on how Malema made workers lose their jobs?
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ktzo
Some Black people are idiots, especially black police, they earn peanuts and subsidese their salaries by collecting bribes. Now they are blocking their Black brothers from collecting more money from the mines. What a shame can blacks really think logically??? Leave malema help the poor miners. By blocking him you are making the rich greedy few balcks and rich whites win. Poor black police idiots.Report Abuse
lucky7
SA is slowly becoming a police state...it's a shame when people are denied the right to express their view.Report Abuse
ndhandhazi
Negotiations are going well without JULIUS .Report Abuse
THEmadame2B-BBEE
y r black people always policed, y, where ever black people settle whether in a suburb or even at work, security companies such as ADT or HiTech have to be deployed,Report Abuse
Shredder
@ktzo - Those police you are talking about did not just wake up and say we are going to stop Julius Malema from addressing the miners. Obviously the acted on instructions. Give them a break please.Report Abuse
KAWUKHONJWA
Where JuJu had worked? How did failed to advance his course during his hearing proceeding or to start with how was his first approach to his hearing proceeding, did closed his loopholes or did aggravate them? The answer is Juju was stupid in his approach prior to his hearing sitting and his presentation was unintelligent that culminated into his dismissal from ANC. How can he helps the mine workers now from their predicament situations, nothing at all except to endeavor to redeem his political career at expense of degrading those who are in power. Same old tricks Malema do not apply in the all incidents, shame mfana wami, get rid of the fats first, you learn think proper and realistic.Report Abuse
Maqhankqa
Papgat:The SAPS yesterday they did a good job by blocking and taking out poor Malema. This guy need Dr. Phil to councel him.
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You are missing the point. The country prides itself by having the most progressive constitutions in the modern era, the 1996 Constitution, which espouses among other things freedom of association and speech. Those police you are praising had no regard for our Constitution infact they broke the law by preventing Malema from exercising his rights as a citizen of this country.
Lord-Have-Mercy:
I so wish your names desire will be fulfilled. Why not should he not wear the ANC t-shirt? Must Malema take all the paraphernalia of the ANC and give them to you? Malema still regards himself as a member of the ANC whether you like it or not. I suspect he is more ANC than you and the rest of your friends.
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ChampRef
Le mo dirile sentle, HE THINKS HE RULE THIS COUNTRY. Misleading the poor miners, sies, you should be ashamed of yourself le dichominyana tsa gago tsa ditlaela. mxmReport Abuse
peterphaladi
anc is goin down to the rotten ppl like ramaphosa and zuma family, south africa wil be like zimbabwe cum 2020 because of dictator zumaReport Abuse
letwadi
I think Malema did well by leaving the place, the police wanted him to refused and enter the stadium by force, in so doing they would shoot and kill him and claim that he was inciting violence, as one of the police officers is heard saying he will shoot him.This whole thing is diverting atention from the real issues there at Marikana, which is the R12500.00 demanded and the massacred miners.
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Amza2010
i think our goverment is threatened by JUJU for speaking what people want to hear. I find it ludicrous and shameful that he was barred to speak to the miners. let us not forget that they see him as a hero.as he was the one who help them with lawyers when they needed protection from our gorvenment.Report Abuse
Danger1985
@ Peterphaladi I agree with you to a certain extent: SA will however not be like Zim thats one thing for sure BUT things will be the same and wuill get worse for the ordinary b.l.a.c.k South African. We will be continually opressed when we want to fight for our rights and it will be through the people we electe into public offices/power. The truth be told SA is a first world country for those that have the means and modes of production and it is a third world country for rthe masses.Report Abuse
BlackLucky
For me I think Malema has just gained more power from yesterdays incident than many of us may think we was shamed. He has shown that he is the biggest threat to the current government that thinks for themselves but not the society. Malema for correction has nothing to do with miners losing jobs, violence taking place at Marikana as far as I know. The miners lost jobs before Malema addressed them, the violence erupted before Malema addressed the miners. We don't expect someone who has been a Lonmin employee for more than 20 years to be still earning a mere R4500. What the the hell is that? I think Malema is just doing what our so called president should be doing instead of partying at conferences. Politics are not my interest and I am not a Malema follower but I think Zuma and his government should their weakest link yesterday where they stopped a citizen from exercising his right which is in the country's constitution. If the miners are misled then they were misled before Malema because he came in the picture a long after the killings. They say Lonmin lost something like 900Million since the strike, I believe even that won't make a total annum amount for the entire employees if paid the salary they are requesting. Lets be realistic and look at the bigger picture than just commenting for the sake of it.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Bathathe Fascism, this is the beginning of things to come, shower will get his 2nd go at fncking up, The fake commie Blade will recruit more of his IFP friends and carry more money in more plastic bags, motlanthe will remain the mute follower, Vavi will keep confusing ppl with his doublespeak. ANC will win elections and the poor will remain poor. Malema I'm afraid will not realise his mangaung aspirations, cant say its sad though, he made his bed, shoved the spear down our throats in the process, its him against the state now (resources and all). Bathathe Fascism.Report Abuse
P4T
South Africa as a comic show is now making hits all over the world. Julius and government's comedy of errors are making headlines in CNN, BBC and Sky News.Haai, there is no peace!
If ANC appreciates what's best for itself and sustainability then it should realise that neither Juju nor JZ is good for the party. True story. Neither side is good for the party's progress. A neutral leader ought to be sought to lead the movement otherwise dead is its middle name.
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Mbongo
Salute to the police, they did a good job. We can't have a person like this boy who is busy messing up our country. Thanks that they did not beat him but they just prevented him to open his stink mouth. He must be barred from every gathering. If he thinks that it is his democratic right to incite counter-revolution, he must go back to his backers and tell them that we are aware about their intention and they are not gonna pass. Viva SAPS Viva. Uzobethwa kwedini uyageza qha.Report Abuse
Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother the right goes with the obligation. Everybody has the right of speech, but the obligation is not to incite.Report Abuse
Maqhankqa
letwadi:I fully agree with you he did a good thing by leaving the place. My fear to the whole thing is that the situation could have easily led to the killing of Malema under the disguise of commotion and trying to maintain order by the police. It is blatantly clear that someone is instructing the police to fight political battles. Those who dislike Malema will sing praises of the police but this country is cascading into the abyss of dictatorship.
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MorenaWaPolelo
THEmadame2B-BBEEy r black people always policed, y, where ever black people settle whether in a suburb or even at work, security companies such as ADT or HiTech have to be deployed
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N what does this have to do with the article dear?
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Lord-Have-Mercy
1. first of all, this is and was an illegal strike which means all employees who do not report at work are potentially fired2. AMCU is not an official union ,its propably a new union that has to follow proper channels to be recognised
3. When striking you dont carry weapons only placats are allowed (these people already killed two police men and two security guards in the early days of strike)
4. When striking you freeze the man power, that leads to no production, if there is no production then the company will feel the heat while Talks between a recognised union and company representatives are on going.
5. When striking the most valuable thing to a striker is Job Security which means there shoul be an agreement letter between an employee and an employer to strike
6. Julius can be right to support the miners but he can be automatically wrong if he too support an illegal strike
7. It is wrong to address people wearing an ANC clothing while addressing the masses whereas there is no mandate from the ANC let alone if you not a member of the organisation
8. Most of us here striked before so u'll understand.
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Lehido
That must have happened a long time ago.......While negotiations are underway, workers should have trust in their represenatatives, go back to work for their families in the mean time, because some end of the month, there went be any income........."NO WORK NO PAY"Then until such time that there are deadlocks, then ressume strikking again...this malema bafoon is inciting violence and he makes miners believe that the negotiations is waste of time....
BIG UPS TO THE SAPS for throwing the fat out
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mashima?
The focus now is on JUJU no longer at the need of the miners, why? we need the updates and development about Marikana's issue.JuJu was not going to interfere if the mine striker's issues were attended within a manageable time, they feel ignored.
Why the responsible people waited until the issue went out of hands and lended in JUJU's soft hands.
ANC government we are pleading with you not to misuse your powers, the country is crying for the help you promised them, if you don't or keep on promising like an irresponsible lover, people will turn away and look for the new lover.
Nevermind, JUJU's heart is at the mine nationalisation. This issue is at the centre of her heart, WHY? nobody knows.
What if he was quiet, while he started crying about nationalisation longtime ago.
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Maqhankqa
Papgat:I hear you Papgat, though I don't like the latter part of your name, we cannot jump into conclusions about incitement as if we know what Malema was going to say yesterday.
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Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother the English speaking says 'Prevention is better than cure'.Report Abuse
Lehido
Lord-Have-Mercy1. first of all, this is and was an illegal strike which means all employees who do not report at work are potentially fired
2. AMCU is not an official union ,its propably a new union that has to follow proper channels to be recognised
3. When striking you dont carry weapons only placats are allowed (these people already killed two police men and two security guards in the early days of strike)
4. When striking you freeze the man power, that leads to no production, if there is no production then the company will feel the heat while Talks between a recognised union and company representatives are on going.
5. When striking the most valuable thing to a striker is Job Security which means there shoul be an agreement letter between an employee and an employer to strike
6. Julius can be right to support the miners but he can be automatically wrong if he too support an illegal strike
7. It is wrong to address people wearing an ANC clothing while addressing the masses whereas there is no mandate from the ANC let alone if you not a member of the organisation
8. Most of us here striked before so u'll understand.
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mashima?
Letwadi oe swere Kelaka leo.Report Abuse
Mbongo
To those who are talking about democracy, freedom of speech, democratic Constitution, human rights these are all as the results of the struggle by ANC not COPE, DA, FREEDOM FRONT, HOLOMISA'S etc. Under apartheid there was not such. Now you cannot come and tell us about these things because we brought it to liberate you. Stop using what the people of SA under leadership of the ANC achieved. You call counter-revolution tactics as freedom of speech when Malema incite anarchy. For the fact that you even able to write in the media about political issues, you must thank the ANC, because under apartheid, security forces you were going to be hunt down and be killed. But under ANC government no one is going to hunt you down. Anarchists like Malema would not be tolerated. We will treat him as a counter-revolutionary the same way counter-revolutionary have been treated in countries like Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe etc. He is joining the likes of Jonas Savimbi, Alfonso Dlakama etc.Report Abuse
LesiloR
People-) each and every dog his its day so let process unfold, who is juju in this issues of mines also wearing ANC logo shirt.? He had no time for workers before now coz he has no paltform to speaks his nonsense hes using poor workers whos fighting for they are own rights. @ shredder theres no one who deny this boy an opportunity, his provoking workers and using this platform to express his emotions also insulting Leaders of the ruling party and others parties. Lets comment on this side with an open minds not just to comment. @ Danger 1985-) an ordinary men bring solutions not putting petrol on fire, sello stay in the fancy houses and his family are feed well how about those workers who are striking on an empty stomach.? I hope all who still following sello they just dont know the importance of the lifes of ordinary citizen of this country. Viva saps vavi job well done yesterday keep it up the hawks do your Jobs as well.Report Abuse
malizho1
Nah what happened is just unprofessional, it shows to me that Zuma is a coward he fears Malema with his whole heart. This is a democratic country every body got a freedom of speech. Those mine owners they are incompetent and they deserve this is then that they will unearth this selfishness they have. I don't second Malema but am saying is a right thing what he is doing.Let us not vague mine worker they deserve what they are fighting for and am a prominent member of them.
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Mbongo
Malema must stop wearing the ANC marked clothes. He was fired and no longer a member.Report Abuse
Maqhankqa
Papgat:So as the supreme law of the country says:
16. Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression.
18. Freedom of association
Everyone has the right to freedom of association.
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ntiki
police smoked Zuma''s socks againReport Abuse
MABIDIKAMA
My black Brothers and Sisters, only if you you read the SA Constitution, which is free at post office, the you will understand why Malema keeps on forging ahead without any fear, people just talk a lot but are clueless about current affairs, politics, economy or what freedom really means. Nothing stops him from doing what he does.And for those who ask why Malema is wearing an ANC shirt...anyone can wear any party t.shirt or colours, as long as they expect my vote, i will wear it, i don't have to affilliate to to any party to wear their t.shirt
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ktzo
@Shatter - Were they also acting under instruction when they shot poor miners? Dont they have minds of their own? Black police are stupid period.Report Abuse
ChampRef
@Papgat@Maqhankqa my brother the right goes with the obligation. Everybody has the right of speech, but the obligation is not to incite.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT DEAR, just wish we can all see with one eye, but that is impossible. You follow a fool, you look just like one. Really, he is going to be left in the bush alone, not even in the bush, ko toronkong.
Malema is finished.
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Papgat
@Maqhankqa my brother someone need to read our constition correctly. Whe it says the right of expression, it does not mean incitement. Your comrade Malema is notorious on speeches. The freedom of association, it does not be misinterpreted, for example Malema used to say he leave by the left over while he was rich. Today he said is the voice of the voiceless, which i perceived as a misinterpretation of freedom of associations.Report Abuse
MABIDIKAMA
Write off Juju at your own peril, but watch this boy in a few years to come.we allways had such leaders before, pity today when you speak your mind your are labelled a fool or a threat to the country, yet the very same poeple complain in their kitchens and shebeens.
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Danger1985
Dear Sowetan, awe have noted with great concern that your home page has for the lack of a better word "dull issues" why is this stroty and the ones taht are making national headlines under your home page. we want to hear more on what is happening on marikana and more on what happened to malema yesterday viz a viz freedom of speech, association right now.nwes iol reports that the miners have been given a once off offer of R1500 for them to return to work
http://www.iol.co.za/business/business-news/lonmin-brings-bonus-to-negotiation-table-1.1385401
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ChampRef
LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF CONCERN, COMRADES YOU ARE STARS: To You My Comrades,@Papgat
@Mbongo
@LesiloR
@Lehido
Happy to see there people out there whom does not believe and follow the fatboy.
VIVA TO REASONABLE COMMENTS BY INTELLECTS VIVA
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ChampRef
Malema o shebagala a tsofetse, he looks just like an old man for his age. Delela madelelaReport Abuse
Maqhankqa
Papgat:I comprehend fully well where you are coming from, but, even if you disagree with Malema's previous utterances, if you believe in the Constitution you should defend his rights as espoused by the Constitution though you differ with him. Papgat, I like your thought processes.
@ChampRef
I think the debate beyond your medula oblongata. Go and read what is meant by principles, maybe you will stop from seeing fools.
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sabza007
I may not agree with Malema's behaviour or rhetoric talks but what happened to him at Marikana yesterday was wrong. His right of movement and his right to speak was abused by the police.They should have dragged him out of the stadium if he had spoke inflammatory statements when he addressed the crowd. Legally, his rights were violated.Report Abuse
Nkunziemhlophe
Made to think is untouchableReport Abuse
ratanangt
Juju is the man... I don't like him that much but he has bolls... Most people envy him because they can't do what he does even though they want to.Juju is the man..!
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ILLUMINATED
"Seoka said workers were of the view that soldiers should protect the country and not privately owned entities such as mines."Good one. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that one. Militant Zuma, whom are you protecting at the taxpayers expense?
Illegal Gatherings Act. Are we still in Apartheid State? Of course you will use this against "certain churches" who gather on the day of the Lord which you and your Master Satan hate!
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ChampRef
@MaqhankqaNothing you say will change the fact that he looks like an old man (ESPECIALLY FOR HIS AGE, O TSOFATSWA KE GO TELLA). I chose the kind of people that I can argue with and have mentioned them, you are not one of them, so please get lost like your friend malema.
If thuto ene e go etsa gore o tlhalose dintho ka tsela eo o di tlhalosang ka yona, one otla bona gore the fatboy is bad news. You sound like a very brilliant person, so stop putting your nose where it does not belong. You talk freedom of speech, so what?
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ktzo
Pea minded people forget that ANC is not for the few elites who can do as they please. Malema was fired in the ANC for allegations of divisions. ANC has been divided for a long time snce the holomisa years. Not every member of ANC approaved the NEC findings even members of the NEC themselves some did not agree. So he can do as he wants. He has been very instrumental in helping the miners, The state itself did nothing the worst was wanting to charge them with murder after the police shooting. What a disgrace from the ANCReport Abuse
moralett
But who do you think you are? Yes th shirt of ANC, i told you now is the time, becarefull Juju. No one can stand in front of you. In the first place why you have to address people who does n't want to be address buy you,the mine workers they want only money not you, you give them wrong information, Julius STOP you're nonces man. Yesterday you we promise, you a so lucky to be where you are today. Repela ntateReport Abuse
TheMan2000
Now Juju knows that this is not a Banana country, there are systems in place which can be used against any person.Report Abuse
nalita
Malema still loves ANC , and he wishes to be the next president of SA.Report Abuse
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