A PRECONDITION that striking workers at the Lonmin mine return to work before wage negotiations could begin has dashed all hopes of resolving the standoff.
Just fire the whole lot and you will be amazed at how many more people will come forward to apply for jobs. Alternatively close the mine for a while. They expect to be paid for no work? mxxm Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
Mokoduwe
MorenaWaPolelo and Chichi7
What the hell are you on about, for all we know you brats are working in a non risky enviroment like these miners do, so shut up if you don/t have anything to say. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
DIKENKENG
Chichi fireing people is not a solution,the workers and management must meet each other halfway.Its clear they cant afford to pay them R12500.00 Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Some black people here are stupid. Your brothers are being enslaved there and you say they must be fired. You must be ashamed of yourselves. I mean, you yourselves cannot be happy with a R4000 salary... Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
DIKENKENG
Mokoduwe o bua nnete batho ba bua easy coz thet are not faced with the situation,their kids and wives dont sleep with an empty stomachs,their colleagues were not brutally murdered,they are sitting comfortably wherever they are browsing the internet. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
Ompas
Mokoduwe and Dikenkeng,all employyes who work underround get risk allowance,if you compare the work of a person working on surface doing the same job,they get some amount less.There are wise guys who works at lonmin who are looking for work on other mines around rustenburg cause of the worsening situation at lonmin. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Mokoduwe
MorenaWaPolelo and Chichi7
What the hell are you on about, for all we know you brats are working in a non risky enviroment like these miners do, so shut up if you don/t have anything to say
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Mokoduwe Im in the risky environment Im running my own business and a share holder in other business and if the labour dispute is not resolved in any of my business interests it wil mean I loose money. This labour dispute is rediculas this guys do not want to work there anymore but to create havoc at the mine. They have exausted all legal evenues and what is left is for them to make up their minds or leave!!! You can not tell me o shat up, I will express my opinion anytime I want too is cretins like you who should shat up you stupid emotions are getting the better of you!!! Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
DIKENKENG
Mokoduwe o bua nnete batho ba bua easy coz thet are not faced with the situation,their kids and wives dont sleep with an empty stomachs,their colleagues were not brutally murdered,they are sitting comfortably wherever they are browsing the internet
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Trying to be a human rights activist does not suit you because you dont have facts, if you work at a till you will not understand, if your a frustrated with your work and you are not getting your way it best for you to look for another job or leave. Its a simple decision why do you wnt to play good people when is you steeling your bosses time browsing the internet. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
ThirdEye
How can they expect miners to strike for more than 4 weeks & all of the sudden go back to work without getting what they were striking for? The best thing the management can do is to put a figure on the table R8000-R10000, if the miners reject it then persuade them to go to work & assure them that they will negotiate & improve the offer.
But not push them to work without anything. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
snazz
When will this come to an end?????????????????????????????????
snazz
When will this come to an end?????????????????????????????????
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When the fat cats agree to share.... Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
|Sinudeity|
ThirdEye - "How can they expect miners to strike for more than 4 weeks & all of the sudden go back to work"
Exactly. You dont. You tell them to pack their bags. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
candilious
Laat die goed waai and any intimidation by these hoodlums ,make a case against them as the strike is unlawfull too ...............jirrweeeeeeeeeee bored with this whole saga Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
sabza007
@All:
What will eventually happen, Lonmin will give R12500 BUT two months after everyone is back at work, the company will start retrenching in hundreds because it will be loosing profits.Are they going to march for the retrenchments as well???
As for killing those who want to work, law enforcement must arrest or kill them if they again if they think they are above the law. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
Bahaeso
@third eye, you are talking about putting a figure on the table. Which table because the workers do not want to come to the table. A strike has to follow a procedure. You negotiate before you strike. Employee reps negotiate with the employer. Once a deadlock is reached, then you can strike. In the case of Lonmin Mine, it has gone the other way, moreover they refuse to abide by the rules of engagment. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
DIKENKENG
@morenawapolelo
i now understand when you said they must fire them coz you run your business like lonmin management.TJO i feel sorry for those poor souls employed by you, GO FOR ENGLISH LESSONS,STEALING NOT STEELING.OOPS
i now understand when you said they must fire them coz you run your business like lonmin management.TJO i feel sorry for those poor souls employed by you, GO FOR ENGLISH LESSONS,STEALING NOT STEELING.OOPS
Thirdeye good point
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Thank you for the spell check, no need to be personal and mention things like English lessons and for your info my business is well managed and the poor souls are happy the last time I checked. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
ChampRef
Fire them and see if fatboy Malema will help! This is now boring, which company has ever in our lifetime given its workers so much as increase? Aba kobiwe. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Fire the whole lot of them. There are plenty of others out there who are willing to work. From reports I've heard the miners earn around R5500 per month but with their other benefits it amounts to just over R11000. By continuing to strike illegally they will probably start firing some people and then of course there is the no work no pay. This also lends me to believe that the unions dont really have the miners interests at heart an neither does their so called "saviour" THE FAT ONE Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
Voetzek
People who think about firering about 10 000 employees are not thinking straight Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
|Sinudeity|
Voetzek - People who think they can go on strike for a month and still expect a job are not thinking straight. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@MorenaWaPolelo & @Chichi7
Fire them!!!!
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I also think that is the best solution, though they will intimidate people who cumto work. Even closing the mines and putting Task Team police to protect the assets. After all they will afford to pay them if the close the mine. This then is followed by letting China buy the mine.
@Voetzek
People who think about firering about 10 000 employees are not thinking straight
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maybe you should look into the "Basis of going into business" then you can claim that firing 10K people is not thinking straight. This people signed a contract when they first started to work there.And there are stipulation and rules that they said they will adhere to. For the record their strike is illegal. And in business you do not make friends, you there to make money.Its a pity that they do not know that their strike was predetermined before they even ventured into it. Now that they are chess pieces, they feel the heat and are scared to succumb. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@sabza007
@All:
What will eventually happen, Lonmin will give R12500 BUT two months after everyone is back at work, the company will start retrenching in hundreds because it will be loosing profits.Are they going to march for the retrenchments as well???
As for killing those who want to work, law enforcement must arrest or kill them if they again if they think they are above the law.
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very true. Report Abuse
Sep 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Some black people here are stupid. Your brothers are being enslaved there and you say they must be fired. You must be ashamed of yourselves. I mean, you yourselves cannot be happy with a R4000 salary...
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I beg to differ with you here my sister. It is not about being stupid or being insensetive or being no so happy if we get R4000 a month. Its business, maybe you should have checked those people who work there, most of them are your juniors, one question comes to mind. Given that we are into this new dispensation we call freedom / democracy, why didn't they use the available resorces that is supplied by the goverment of the day to empower themselves? Why did, and i guess 90% of them seem to be even not having a stupid grade 12? There are schools in townships/rural area that are goverment sponsorsed no fees at all, they opted to bunk schools and come to work there. Its a pity you do not know the strike was preplanned and its not about Marikana/Lonmin miners.
They must just close the mines and see if they will much. Report Abuse
Sep 13, 2012
scrapprat
Miners should strike actually the should not be intimidated by any one even the president and people who are afraid to voice thier concern, must just keep quite let the junior lion of the north roar speak for those who cant speak for themselves wena julius malema we supportt you please while youre are at it please mobilise the youth who are unemployed because they are the majority of people who didnt vote because they are abused to do so by high unemployment. please help julius the youth that once put you in power untill holigans removed you need you Report Abuse
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MorenaWaPolelo
Fire them!!!!Report Abuse
Chichi7
Just fire the whole lot and you will be amazed at how many more people will come forward to apply for jobs. Alternatively close the mine for a while. They expect to be paid for no work? mxxmReport Abuse
Mokoduwe
MorenaWaPolelo and Chichi7What the hell are you on about, for all we know you brats are working in a non risky enviroment like these miners do, so shut up if you don/t have anything to say.
Report Abuse
DIKENKENG
Chichi fireing people is not a solution,the workers and management must meet each other halfway.Its clear they cant afford to pay them R12500.00Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Some black people here are stupid. Your brothers are being enslaved there and you say they must be fired. You must be ashamed of yourselves. I mean, you yourselves cannot be happy with a R4000 salary...Report Abuse
DIKENKENG
Mokoduwe o bua nnete batho ba bua easy coz thet are not faced with the situation,their kids and wives dont sleep with an empty stomachs,their colleagues were not brutally murdered,they are sitting comfortably wherever they are browsing the internet.Report Abuse
Ompas
Mokoduwe and Dikenkeng,all employyes who work underround get risk allowance,if you compare the work of a person working on surface doing the same job,they get some amount less.There are wise guys who works at lonmin who are looking for work on other mines around rustenburg cause of the worsening situation at lonmin.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
MokoduweMorenaWaPolelo and Chichi7
What the hell are you on about, for all we know you brats are working in a non risky enviroment like these miners do, so shut up if you don/t have anything to say
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Mokoduwe Im in the risky environment Im running my own business and a share holder in other business and if the labour dispute is not resolved in any of my business interests it wil mean I loose money. This labour dispute is rediculas this guys do not want to work there anymore but to create havoc at the mine. They have exausted all legal evenues and what is left is for them to make up their minds or leave!!! You can not tell me o shat up, I will express my opinion anytime I want too is cretins like you who should shat up you stupid emotions are getting the better of you!!!
Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
DIKENKENGMokoduwe o bua nnete batho ba bua easy coz thet are not faced with the situation,their kids and wives dont sleep with an empty stomachs,their colleagues were not brutally murdered,they are sitting comfortably wherever they are browsing the internet
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Trying to be a human rights activist does not suit you because you dont have facts, if you work at a till you will not understand, if your a frustrated with your work and you are not getting your way it best for you to look for another job or leave. Its a simple decision why do you wnt to play good people when is you steeling your bosses time browsing the internet.
Report Abuse
ThirdEye
How can they expect miners to strike for more than 4 weeks & all of the sudden go back to work without getting what they were striking for? The best thing the management can do is to put a figure on the table R8000-R10000, if the miners reject it then persuade them to go to work & assure them that they will negotiate & improve the offer.But not push them to work without anything.
Report Abuse
snazz
When will this come to an end?????????????????????????????????Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
snazzWhen will this come to an end?????????????????????????????????
.........................
When the fat cats agree to share....
Report Abuse
|Sinudeity|
ThirdEye - "How can they expect miners to strike for more than 4 weeks & all of the sudden go back to work"Exactly. You dont. You tell them to pack their bags.
Report Abuse
candilious
Laat die goed waai and any intimidation by these hoodlums ,make a case against them as the strike is unlawfull too ...............jirrweeeeeeeeeee bored with this whole sagaReport Abuse
sabza007
@All:What will eventually happen, Lonmin will give R12500 BUT two months after everyone is back at work, the company will start retrenching in hundreds because it will be loosing profits.Are they going to march for the retrenchments as well???
As for killing those who want to work, law enforcement must arrest or kill them if they again if they think they are above the law.
Report Abuse
Bahaeso
@third eye, you are talking about putting a figure on the table. Which table because the workers do not want to come to the table. A strike has to follow a procedure. You negotiate before you strike. Employee reps negotiate with the employer. Once a deadlock is reached, then you can strike. In the case of Lonmin Mine, it has gone the other way, moreover they refuse to abide by the rules of engagment.Report Abuse
DIKENKENG
@morenawapoleloi now understand when you said they must fire them coz you run your business like lonmin management.TJO i feel sorry for those poor souls employed by you, GO FOR ENGLISH LESSONS,STEALING NOT STEELING.OOPS
Thirdeye good point.
Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
DIKENKENG@morenawapolelo
i now understand when you said they must fire them coz you run your business like lonmin management.TJO i feel sorry for those poor souls employed by you, GO FOR ENGLISH LESSONS,STEALING NOT STEELING.OOPS
Thirdeye good point
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Thank you for the spell check, no need to be personal and mention things like English lessons and for your info my business is well managed and the poor souls are happy the last time I checked.
Report Abuse
ChampRef
Fire them and see if fatboy Malema will help! This is now boring, which company has ever in our lifetime given its workers so much as increase? Aba kobiwe.Report Abuse
DA-DBN-GUY
Fire the whole lot of them. There are plenty of others out there who are willing to work. From reports I've heard the miners earn around R5500 per month but with their other benefits it amounts to just over R11000. By continuing to strike illegally they will probably start firing some people and then of course there is the no work no pay. This also lends me to believe that the unions dont really have the miners interests at heart an neither does their so called "saviour" THE FAT ONEReport Abuse
Voetzek
People who think about firering about 10 000 employees are not thinking straightReport Abuse
|Sinudeity|
Voetzek - People who think they can go on strike for a month and still expect a job are not thinking straight.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@MorenaWaPolelo & @Chichi7Fire them!!!!
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I also think that is the best solution, though they will intimidate people who cumto work. Even closing the mines and putting Task Team police to protect the assets. After all they will afford to pay them if the close the mine. This then is followed by letting China buy the mine.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@VoetzekPeople who think about firering about 10 000 employees are not thinking straight
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
maybe you should look into the "Basis of going into business" then you can claim that firing 10K people is not thinking straight. This people signed a contract when they first started to work there.And there are stipulation and rules that they said they will adhere to. For the record their strike is illegal. And in business you do not make friends, you there to make money.Its a pity that they do not know that their strike was predetermined before they even ventured into it. Now that they are chess pieces, they feel the heat and are scared to succumb.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@sabza007@All:
What will eventually happen, Lonmin will give R12500 BUT two months after everyone is back at work, the company will start retrenching in hundreds because it will be loosing profits.Are they going to march for the retrenchments as well???
As for killing those who want to work, law enforcement must arrest or kill them if they again if they think they are above the law.
++++++++++++++++++++++
very true.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@Mkabayi-kaJamaSome black people here are stupid. Your brothers are being enslaved there and you say they must be fired. You must be ashamed of yourselves. I mean, you yourselves cannot be happy with a R4000 salary...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I beg to differ with you here my sister. It is not about being stupid or being insensetive or being no so happy if we get R4000 a month. Its business, maybe you should have checked those people who work there, most of them are your juniors, one question comes to mind. Given that we are into this new dispensation we call freedom / democracy, why didn't they use the available resorces that is supplied by the goverment of the day to empower themselves? Why did, and i guess 90% of them seem to be even not having a stupid grade 12? There are schools in townships/rural area that are goverment sponsorsed no fees at all, they opted to bunk schools and come to work there. Its a pity you do not know the strike was preplanned and its not about Marikana/Lonmin miners.
They must just close the mines and see if they will much.
Report Abuse
scrapprat
Miners should strike actually the should not be intimidated by any one even the president and people who are afraid to voice thier concern, must just keep quite let the junior lion of the north roar speak for those who cant speak for themselves wena julius malema we supportt you please while youre are at it please mobilise the youth who are unemployed because they are the majority of people who didnt vote because they are abused to do so by high unemployment. please help julius the youth that once put you in power untill holigans removed you need youReport Abuse
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