Hahahah Whahahahah!! How great! So now we are waiting for the population whom are battling to get an eduction to go 60 steps forward to get a pilots licenses and the train to be a commercial pilot! We going to have no more pilots left! hahah great, guys implement rather a program to help underprivileged kids to get their pilots license and then start putting in rules like this. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Lehido
Im black but this is stupid....if the whites qualify, damn, appoint them maan...Jerrrrrre! Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Lungu
I don't like this at all so what if there are no qualified black appliers, our country is rotten and believe S.A is the worst country to live in Africa, no peace of mind always worried about tomorrow as our government have no idea what they must do except rip ppl off and make things worse than they are. Can someone ask this Ledwaba who ordered them to take such a hush and racial decision, in the past it was no blacks/whites only. Our heros fought for the changes and many lives were lost now come the so called ANC pretenders they are taking this country back were it was 36 years ago bull s*****ht this ppl must go sooner the better or we will face the rath. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
vivla
ohhh my, I swear anyone that is qualified to do anything in not a prority in South Africa. It seems like government is more concerned about race than experience, quality service provided by professionals. Haai I give up. This country is going down. Why would you want to promote those who don't necessarily meet the proper criteria. SAA is soon going to be run like the run down government departments. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Shredder
Hihihihihi. No comment. I will leave this one to Dzel, sinudeity, traveljunie and Danieljvr. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Shredder
@Lungu - our country is rotten and believe S.A is the worst country to live in Africa
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If you think it is the worst travel up north bro ;-D Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Shredder
No man join in! I always like your opinion. Don't you think it is stupid for them to stop all whites from entering? Again why not educate those who do not have with those who do. Get these white pilots to train new black pilots. a SETA for new pilots and then you enforce such racial things not now. It just makes no sense? Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Shredder
@Danielrjvvuren
Shredder
No man join in! I always like your opinion. Don't you think it is stupid for them to stop all whites from entering?
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It is stupid!! Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Shredder
I am all for transformation dude. I would love to see someone succeed who comes from degradation, but do so in good time not by disallowing another the opportunity. All these resources stand still now until people of color gets pilots licenses? This is how it works if you want to become a commercial pilot you must go to a flying school and log something stupid like 150 hours of flight time where you pay fuel and training in a small plane where you get a pilots license and then you go to commercial training. Where on earth does SAA think colored people will get the money for all this? Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
cocolucho
What the hell? This is just wrong and racist! If they qualify appoint them? What happens when not enough black people dont want to be pilots? This is not good for nation building and is just stupid. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
cornelius
Some of you have not read the article properly. They say that they will apoint whites if there are vacancies with no suitable black candidates. This is in line with the " fair discrimination" that the constitution allows in order to redress the past imbalances.
The problem arises when a body appoints an unqualified black person over a qulaified white, or simply leaves the vacancy open if no suitably black person can be found - that is " unfair discrimination".
Affirmative action measures are still necessary in our country, but to be fair there should be a sunset clause. The discrimination against whites cannot go on for ever, and white youth must not be allowed to lose hope. It's been 18 years since democracy - I would say another 2 years of AA would be fair enough, 20 years is a long time, at most another 5 years or maybe 7 to take it to a quarter century. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Bolander
Hmm, see how SAA comes to a grinding halt soon - wow, what a way to build a country! Report Abuse
It is about time Rainbow mean something, we should truly reflect on a correct SA. We need to share the wealth, resources and skills in this country. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Kuvukiland
Good answer, but it will take time to get black kids to get their pilots license why not let the white kids who have it go for it under the condition that if the colored students get their licenses the white kids contracts will be reviewed. There is always a middle ground my friend although I am there for sharing the wealth. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
RobinH
Kuvukiland: Surely your statement " We need to share the wealth, resources and skills in this country" is a direct contradiction of your praise of SAA for introducing this discriminatory system. That is hardly a situation of "sharing" when people are denied access because of race. AND DON'T COME WITH THE HISTORY CRAP please. Time has passed and we shuld be beyond that kind of useless thinking. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
22112JO
ANC IS THE WORLDS NEW APARTHEID GOVERNMENT. LET THE WHITES FLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND THE ANC WILL CRUMBLE. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
SetlaboswanaBoy07
Guys, honestly speaking, most of our black brothers and sisters are ignorant, reluctant, dont care....SAA will get those black recruits but we will experience plane crushes because they will not be taking their jobs serious. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Dandan
@cocolucho: whether they qualify or not , we need to adress equity , in my whole life I have never come across a col.ored pilot or indi.an pilot , my problem is ppl like you who feel unsecured when they are nt nearer the wh.ite man
@vivla: they dont meet propoer criteria 'cause they are bla.ck
this people seemed to be clueless about atracting more blacks in to those positions,they should be creating interest by making sure that at schools information and bussaries are available for those who are nterested now they want to force that by taking people who qualifies out without iplementing proper channels that ensures their target without bringing unnecessary racial contention. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
mokudubete
I am with you there. Give the students the opportunity to get there not just give it or expect students to come forth. Give them incentive to work hard. Learner-ships for kids who seem to show an interest and subsidies or remuneration for those who train them, use the knowledge the "white people" have to teach the "colored people" how to before shutting the gates. Report Abuse
......Here we go again...the ANC at it's raci'st best!!!!
When will they learn that once you hold a South African passport you are South African irrespective of colour. Most of these young trainees were born after 1994 anyways!!!
It doesn't bother me anyways, I don't fly SAA because they are so unprofessional!!! I normally fly business class on the other international carriers and the domestic leg home from OR is a real wake up call service wise. In fact I'm going to instruct my staff not to book flights on SAA!!!
This is the wrong way of tacling a problem.you don,t adress a problem by creating another one,if the are no black,indian or colourds pilots does that mean other race must be aliniated ,SA is for all who are living in it. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
mokudubete
We all need to look for solutions that will make this country work for all of us,i am just wondering what would happen if white south african start to toyi toyi citing that laws that are being implemented esp in work places are descreminating. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
MommaC
..... then they cry about the lack of skills.
AA is not a bad policy. It is a necessary and valuable policy. The implementation is just pathetic though. This is now turning into reverse apartheid Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Budapat
hahahahahaha, simple explanation is that: WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE WHITES DOMINATE ON OUR NATIONAL AIRLINE, THEREFORE, DEMOGRAPHICS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. you may call it apartheid in reverse gear if you want TO!! Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Dandan
Budapat
hahahahahaha, simple explanation is that: WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE WHITES DOMINATE ON OUR NATIONAL AIRLINE, THEREFORE, DEMOGRAPHICS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. you may call it apartheid in reverse gear if you want TO!!
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well said, specially myself I have a dream to be taken off by a colored/indian pilot, Im tired of going to airport and come accross a whi.te pilot yet Im in Afr.ica, sies Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Budapat
@Dandan - the issue of non compliance to Affirmative Action in aviation industry is a SAD one, the very same ppl who are quick to run to the media especially BEELD are the ones who ensure that we dont succeed in this industry, we do not have to be apologetic when coming to this. SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, i hope ATNS follows this plan of action by SAA Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
RobinH
Budapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Dandan
RobinH
Budapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least.
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really, for sure "sinking econmy" I think I see a huge difference between the SA GDP of today compared to pre94, Im not sure if Im the only one seeing this difference
Dandan
The GDP per capita was much better in the 60's and we had a staggering economic growth far surpassing that of today... but dandan we are in hell.... Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
RobinH
Dandan. Thanks for that lovely welcome there. Makes me feel all warm inside to know that someone as obviously intelligent and sophisticated as you appreciates my contribution as a white person. I am so glad I was part of the fight to free our country for people like you. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Poppitlove
mokudubete
We all need to look for solutions that will make this country work for all of us,i am just wondering what would happen if white south african start to toyi toyi citing that laws that are being implemented esp in work places are descreminating.
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I do not think that white south african's will toyi toyi, they will just quietly apply at another country and make a success there, generating tax and income in another country. This is sad. So many education just leaving..... or should I rather say, knowledge thrown away and rejected. This is not the right way of doing things..... oh dear oh dear oh dear Report Abuse
@RobnH - Budapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least. > our economy ain't immune to the global melt down, surely we got to engage each other on issues that hit home. the fact remains, speak to any BLACK person in aviation industry ''technical, navigator, engineer, atc or pilot'' you'll understand how some WHITE ppl plays ''black man can't fly'' and when one does very well they start investigating one's background as to where you from or are you really a south african BLACK. it's a pity the department of transport is pumping funds into these entities but do not really get to know the suffering of BLACK PEOPLE Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
RobinH
Budapat. Whatever. Suit yourself. Pillory all whites for the cock-ups of our grandparents. That is very helpful. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Budapat
@RobinH - all you need to understand, Affirmative Action is only negotiable to those so called idiots who depend on ppl who think no other race can do better than they do, now with me i prove myself and do not depend on any handout and to hell with ppl who are resistant to changes. lastly, ask any BLACK pilot as to what reaction he or she normally gets when briefing on the flight from morons who still believe BLACKS CAN'T FLY or BLACKS CAN'T CONTROL ''ATC'' - suit yourself over the weekend with a BEELD NAWEEK chap Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Tikoloshe
....JZ's pilot is white....damn racist Pres!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Bebesocs
RACISM RACISM RACISM, IT STINKS. Ledwaba you and your government are racist...Ledwaba you are insecure.
I would suggest to mlungus to open their own airline and start the business. I am sure this Ledwaba is a cadre and is coming with nepotism and corruption and sex in the city. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Ben-Israel
There is nothing racist about this. This is what companies are doing….ever heard of BEE. Companies are striving for equal employment between all races in SA. So what is wrong in this? Why must it be seen as soo wrong when black people do this, this is the same thing white companies do as well. If white companies never want to hire blacks and if they do they get underpaid anyway, so why must we not be hired in high profile jobs just like whites are doing in their companies? Hai maan, let’s not act like these things don’t happen in Mzantsi, why question it when its done by blacks. I fully support this, they must be adequately trained and hired. Cocolucho, what nation building are you talking about? A nation that is constantly being fragmented and destroyed by the same people you want us to build it with. Report Abuse
Aug 17, 2012
Bebesocs
Do not correct a wrong with a wrong. mnxxxxx Report Abuse
Aug 18, 2012
JayJay2
Think Apartheid ended in the 90's? Think again!
Please sign the petition here: http://stopkwotas.co.za/saa-petition/ Report Abuse
Aug 18, 2012
JayJay2
Like this page on Facebook if you're against this:
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Danielrjvvuren
Hahahah Whahahahah!! How great! So now we are waiting for the population whom are battling to get an eduction to go 60 steps forward to get a pilots licenses and the train to be a commercial pilot! We going to have no more pilots left! hahah great, guys implement rather a program to help underprivileged kids to get their pilots license and then start putting in rules like this.Report Abuse
Lehido
Im black but this is stupid....if the whites qualify, damn, appoint them maan...Jerrrrrre!Report Abuse
Lungu
I don't like this at all so what if there are no qualified black appliers, our country is rotten and believe S.A is the worst country to live in Africa, no peace of mind always worried about tomorrow as our government have no idea what they must do except rip ppl off and make things worse than they are. Can someone ask this Ledwaba who ordered them to take such a hush and racial decision, in the past it was no blacks/whites only. Our heros fought for the changes and many lives were lost now come the so called ANC pretenders they are taking this country back were it was 36 years ago bull s*****ht this ppl must go sooner the better or we will face the rath.Report Abuse
vivla
ohhh my, I swear anyone that is qualified to do anything in not a prority in South Africa. It seems like government is more concerned about race than experience, quality service provided by professionals. Haai I give up. This country is going down. Why would you want to promote those who don't necessarily meet the proper criteria. SAA is soon going to be run like the run down government departments.Report Abuse
Shredder
Hihihihihi. No comment. I will leave this one to Dzel, sinudeity, traveljunie and Danieljvr.Report Abuse
Shredder
@Lungu - our country is rotten and believe S.A is the worst country to live in Africa======================================================================
If you think it is the worst travel up north bro ;-D
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Danielrjvvuren
ShredderNo man join in! I always like your opinion. Don't you think it is stupid for them to stop all whites from entering? Again why not educate those who do not have with those who do. Get these white pilots to train new black pilots. a SETA for new pilots and then you enforce such racial things not now. It just makes no sense?
Report Abuse
Shredder
@DanielrjvvurenShredder
No man join in! I always like your opinion. Don't you think it is stupid for them to stop all whites from entering?
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It is stupid!!
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Danielrjvvuren
ShredderI am all for transformation dude. I would love to see someone succeed who comes from degradation, but do so in good time not by disallowing another the opportunity. All these resources stand still now until people of color gets pilots licenses? This is how it works if you want to become a commercial pilot you must go to a flying school and log something stupid like 150 hours of flight time where you pay fuel and training in a small plane where you get a pilots license and then you go to commercial training. Where on earth does SAA think colored people will get the money for all this?
Report Abuse
cocolucho
What the hell? This is just wrong and racist! If they qualify appoint them? What happens when not enough black people dont want to be pilots? This is not good for nation building and is just stupid.Report Abuse
cornelius
Some of you have not read the article properly. They say that they will apoint whites if there are vacancies with no suitable black candidates. This is in line with the " fair discrimination" that the constitution allows in order to redress the past imbalances.The problem arises when a body appoints an unqualified black person over a qulaified white, or simply leaves the vacancy open if no suitably black person can be found - that is " unfair discrimination".
Affirmative action measures are still necessary in our country, but to be fair there should be a sunset clause. The discrimination against whites cannot go on for ever, and white youth must not be allowed to lose hope. It's been 18 years since democracy - I would say another 2 years of AA would be fair enough, 20 years is a long time, at most another 5 years or maybe 7 to take it to a quarter century.
Report Abuse
Bolander
Hmm, see how SAA comes to a grinding halt soon - wow, what a way to build a country!Report Abuse
Kuvukiland
Great move.Report Abuse
RobinH
SAA. WTF are you doing, summarily to rubbish the protections of our constitution? SIS!Report Abuse
RobinH
Kuvukiland: Do explain please.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
Kuvukiland RobinHYes explain...
Report Abuse
Kuvukiland
It is about time Rainbow mean something, we should truly reflect on a correct SA. We need to share the wealth, resources and skills in this country.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
KuvukilandGood answer, but it will take time to get black kids to get their pilots license why not let the white kids who have it go for it under the condition that if the colored students get their licenses the white kids contracts will be reviewed. There is always a middle ground my friend although I am there for sharing the wealth.
Report Abuse
RobinH
Kuvukiland: Surely your statement " We need to share the wealth, resources and skills in this country" is a direct contradiction of your praise of SAA for introducing this discriminatory system. That is hardly a situation of "sharing" when people are denied access because of race. AND DON'T COME WITH THE HISTORY CRAP please. Time has passed and we shuld be beyond that kind of useless thinking.Report Abuse
22112JO
ANC IS THE WORLDS NEW APARTHEID GOVERNMENT. LET THE WHITES FLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND THE ANC WILL CRUMBLE.Report Abuse
SetlaboswanaBoy07
Guys, honestly speaking, most of our black brothers and sisters are ignorant, reluctant, dont care....SAA will get those black recruits but we will experience plane crushes because they will not be taking their jobs serious.Report Abuse
Dandan
@cocolucho: whether they qualify or not , we need to adress equity , in my whole life I have never come across a col.ored pilot or indi.an pilot , my problem is ppl like you who feel unsecured when they are nt nearer the wh.ite man@vivla: they dont meet propoer criteria 'cause they are bla.ck
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RobinH
Dandan: Boy are you one confused puppy.Report Abuse
Mgaraji
Correct moveReport Abuse
mokudubete
this people seemed to be clueless about atracting more blacks in to those positions,they should be creating interest by making sure that at schools information and bussaries are available for those who are nterested now they want to force that by taking people who qualifies out without iplementing proper channels that ensures their target without bringing unnecessary racial contention.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
mokudubeteI am with you there. Give the students the opportunity to get there not just give it or expect students to come forth. Give them incentive to work hard. Learner-ships for kids who seem to show an interest and subsidies or remuneration for those who train them, use the knowledge the "white people" have to teach the "colored people" how to before shutting the gates.
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Nicholaster
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Danielrjvvuren
BadReport Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
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Danielrjvvuren
the UglyReport Abuse
Tikoloshe
......Here we go again...the ANC at it's raci'st best!!!!When will they learn that once you hold a South African passport you are South African irrespective of colour. Most of these young trainees were born after 1994 anyways!!!
It doesn't bother me anyways, I don't fly SAA because they are so unprofessional!!! I normally fly business class on the other international carriers and the domestic leg home from OR is a real wake up call service wise. In fact I'm going to instruct my staff not to book flights on SAA!!!
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mokudubete
@DANDANThis is the wrong way of tacling a problem.you don,t adress a problem by creating another one,if the are no black,indian or colourds pilots does that mean other race must be aliniated ,SA is for all who are living in it.
Report Abuse
mokudubete
We all need to look for solutions that will make this country work for all of us,i am just wondering what would happen if white south african start to toyi toyi citing that laws that are being implemented esp in work places are descreminating.Report Abuse
MommaC
..... then they cry about the lack of skills.AA is not a bad policy. It is a necessary and valuable policy. The implementation is just pathetic though. This is now turning into reverse apartheid
Report Abuse
Budapat
hahahahahaha, simple explanation is that: WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE WHITES DOMINATE ON OUR NATIONAL AIRLINE, THEREFORE, DEMOGRAPHICS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. you may call it apartheid in reverse gear if you want TO!!Report Abuse
Dandan
Budapathahahahahaha, simple explanation is that: WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE WHITES DOMINATE ON OUR NATIONAL AIRLINE, THEREFORE, DEMOGRAPHICS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. you may call it apartheid in reverse gear if you want TO!!
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well said, specially myself I have a dream to be taken off by a colored/indian pilot, Im tired of going to airport and come accross a whi.te pilot yet Im in Afr.ica, sies
Report Abuse
Budapat
@Dandan - the issue of non compliance to Affirmative Action in aviation industry is a SAD one, the very same ppl who are quick to run to the media especially BEELD are the ones who ensure that we dont succeed in this industry, we do not have to be apologetic when coming to this. SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, i hope ATNS follows this plan of action by SAAReport Abuse
RobinH
Budapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least.Report Abuse
Dandan
RobinHBudapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least.
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really, for sure "sinking econmy" I think I see a huge difference between the SA GDP of today compared to pre94, Im not sure if Im the only one seeing this difference
take your w.hites to hell
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Danielrjvvuren
DandanThe GDP per capita was much better in the 60's and we had a staggering economic growth far surpassing that of today... but dandan we are in hell....
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RobinH
Dandan. Thanks for that lovely welcome there. Makes me feel all warm inside to know that someone as obviously intelligent and sophisticated as you appreciates my contribution as a white person. I am so glad I was part of the fight to free our country for people like you.Report Abuse
Poppitlove
mokudubeteWe all need to look for solutions that will make this country work for all of us,i am just wondering what would happen if white south african start to toyi toyi citing that laws that are being implemented esp in work places are descreminating.
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I do not think that white south african's will toyi toyi, they will just quietly apply at another country and make a success there, generating tax and income in another country. This is sad. So many education just leaving..... or should I rather say, knowledge thrown away and rejected. This is not the right way of doing things..... oh dear oh dear oh dear
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Dandan
@Danielrjvvurenyou wish
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Budapat
@RobnH - Budapat: Our "new" country has been in operation for close on 20 years now. That sort of thinking will NOT help our sinking economy in the least. > our economy ain't immune to the global melt down, surely we got to engage each other on issues that hit home. the fact remains, speak to any BLACK person in aviation industry ''technical, navigator, engineer, atc or pilot'' you'll understand how some WHITE ppl plays ''black man can't fly'' and when one does very well they start investigating one's background as to where you from or are you really a south african BLACK. it's a pity the department of transport is pumping funds into these entities but do not really get to know the suffering of BLACK PEOPLEReport Abuse
RobinH
Budapat. Whatever. Suit yourself. Pillory all whites for the cock-ups of our grandparents. That is very helpful.Report Abuse
Budapat
@RobinH - all you need to understand, Affirmative Action is only negotiable to those so called idiots who depend on ppl who think no other race can do better than they do, now with me i prove myself and do not depend on any handout and to hell with ppl who are resistant to changes. lastly, ask any BLACK pilot as to what reaction he or she normally gets when briefing on the flight from morons who still believe BLACKS CAN'T FLY or BLACKS CAN'T CONTROL ''ATC'' - suit yourself over the weekend with a BEELD NAWEEK chapReport Abuse
Tikoloshe
....JZ's pilot is white....damn racist Pres!!!!Report Abuse
Bebesocs
RACISM RACISM RACISM, IT STINKS. Ledwaba you and your government are racist...Ledwaba you are insecure.I would suggest to mlungus to open their own airline and start the business. I am sure this Ledwaba is a cadre and is coming with nepotism and corruption and sex in the city.
Report Abuse
Ben-Israel
There is nothing racist about this. This is what companies are doing….ever heard of BEE. Companies are striving for equal employment between all races in SA. So what is wrong in this? Why must it be seen as soo wrong when black people do this, this is the same thing white companies do as well. If white companies never want to hire blacks and if they do they get underpaid anyway, so why must we not be hired in high profile jobs just like whites are doing in their companies? Hai maan, let’s not act like these things don’t happen in Mzantsi, why question it when its done by blacks. I fully support this, they must be adequately trained and hired. Cocolucho, what nation building are you talking about? A nation that is constantly being fragmented and destroyed by the same people you want us to build it with.Report Abuse
Bebesocs
Do not correct a wrong with a wrong. mnxxxxxReport Abuse
JayJay2
Think Apartheid ended in the 90's? Think again!Please sign the petition here: http://stopkwotas.co.za/saa-petition/
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JayJay2
Like this page on Facebook if you're against this:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Do-Not-Fly-South-African-Airways/194815427316797?ref=stream
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