4biko

so the inability of whites to find jobs propels them to become enterprenuers.... Thats a good one!!!
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eKapa

yhoo...mara south africa
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Blue_Lady

To Sharp, Whites are still most likely to be 1st considered over a Black ppl. As to them starting business is bcoz they don't want report to a black Superior at Work places.... finish 'n klaar
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Papage

Thanks I stopped my girl from doing Dramatic Art and now she is happy with what she is doing, she would have been wasted. then useless courses must be banned for some years, to compel student to do what the Market need, I just wonder what kind of work are our Ministers of education doing? they are suppose to be researching all this and assisting schools, with clear information and guidelines, we can not keep on producing what we don't need, hence our so much educated children are not employable, the is no space for them.
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candilious

@Blue_Lady- you out of line. Stop with this already jassas
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ThirdEye

I heard this last week & sowetan is publishing it today. Anyways, I strongly feel that people who let down kids are our secondary school teachers.
They know what are the challenges & what kind of skills south Africa needs but they allow the learners to take subjects that will force them to do Social worker (no offence).

During my time, I was forced to take a subject in Standard Grade even though I wanted High Grade, cause the whole class did that, the teacher felt that he can't teach & set the paper for me alone.

Such influence from teachers mislead learners.
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Blue_Lady

@Candilios, U are in line because of?
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candilious

@ThirdEye- I fully agree with you on this, even on primary level in today's days kids are just being passed on whilst the teacher knows that child needs more yet he is moving on to the next level.
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Motabolapasa

@ThirdEye

i differ with u on that one, majority of teachers don't know how the corporate world oparate, u are the ones to be blamed, for not enlighten schoolkids with relevant info as to what is needed in labour market.

the other major cause of this graduates being unemployable, is they just don't know what their potentials are and stick to the career which is inline with that.


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Mule

Highly qualified whites were substantially less likely than blacks to find a job within 12 months of initiating a job search.

Because highly qualified blacks are cheaper and the company gets BEE points for hiring them. They are then able to claim back money paid to these people on their tax returns.
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mrsly

Universities need to introduce the FINANCIAL LITERATURE courses. Social secincies must ban finish & klaar!
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Jaja'sQueen

@Motabolapasa
I fully agree with you. These educational institutions are just out to make tons of money from new registrations. Students are encouraged to get an education but are never guided on what education to get. The first time I went for a higher learning course I was advised to study teaching cause it was easy and I had failed my matric maths. After I had completed my studies I found that I not only hated teaching but was terriffied of the big boys who sat at the back of my class. So I went into the private sector and worked as a secretary till one day my boss offered me an opportunity to study further as part of the affirmative action programmes in place. With no maths I was able to study accounting. It was not easy, took a lot of time and dedication. Corporate has to be hands on to empower people with skills that will benefit them in turn.
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Mr.Chairman

If everyone agrees that the humanities courses are a waste of time,then why do we still have learners standing in long queus registering for these courses?Our government must phase them out.
Problem is,what happens to the humanities lecturers if we ban these courses?
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Fred55

This country is heading for trouble very quickly if something isn't done about this. Anyone with half a brain can see that the situation is not sustainable.

There are more and more people on social grants and less people at the top end to earn money, drive the economy and pay tax to support the people on social grants. It is like a pyramid that will collapse one day.

In the mean time we must give foreigners from places like India and Cuba work visas to come and fill the vacant positions for engineers and doctors so that the economy can run while locals are properly educated.
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Vanzwane

@ Motabolapasa - Really!!! Do your research before you make such a statement
@Third-eye - agree 100%

It is dissapointing to reading about such stats!

The problem starts from ground up.

South Africa still has a long way to going before can become a 3rd world country!

The truth is that we are consistantly exporting our skills and capabilities to other countries instead of taking ownership of what is already ours.


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feracon

all the dunda heads that passed wit 30% just do not qualify damn hardheads.
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Jaja'sQueen

@ Mr Chairman
My take is that if these universities cannot justify the existence of these courses based on their lack of applicability outside of the university - they should limit registration.
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Motabolapasa

the problem is the perception people have on FET colleges, most engineers ermeges from colleges compared to universities
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Mr.Chairman

Jaja'sQueen
My take is that if these universities cannot justify the existence of these courses based on their lack of applicability outside of the university - they should limit registration.
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@Jaja'sQueen

I fully agree with you on that one.And in addition,i think the problem starts at high school level,where learners are supposed to be guided about the kind of careers that the market requires.Sadly,rural schools,like the one I went to, dont seem to be interested in taking their learners to career exhibitions in time(not when they are already in matric).

South Africa still has a long way to go.

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Vanzwane

@ Motabolapasa - Thumbs up for your second comment

Why don't the Public and Private take in the graduates and train them to become what the company requires ?

It's better to fix a mistake than to start a new one!
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candilious

@Jaja'sQueen- LOL-You say you were scared sh!tless - anyway proud of you i also went the Accounting route with maths. My love for accounting started in STD 7 i give all thanx to my teacher for that.

like you said Employers should inverst more in their employees

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4biko

@Jajaqueen

The problem is students dont even study subjects that will enable them to enter the finance and engineering field. They end up studying BA degrees and they are unemployed for years after that.

School should have qoutas on how many students must register for math an science. Instead of teachers advising students to do history and geography. I say 50% HG math, 25% SG and the remaining can do home economics, history and the rest.
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MommaC

All of those require maths (not woosie math literacy). Now what is our math pass rate in SA and how many students take math at Matric?

One of the biggest problems is that there are not enough universities and too many kids getting into university with sub standard grades and then not being able to finish first year.

I have no problems with the humanities studies (we need social workers and poets too - just not a million and a half of them) but schools should be giving kids aptitude tests to see what suits them best.
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MabhebezaEC!

"For job-seekers with a tertiary qualification, blacks were 34 percent more likely to find work than whites"

That's music to my ears!!!!!!!!!! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
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FrantzFanon.Lives

Now you're shifting the goalposts twits....Last time you said there were not enough graduates of any kind - wrong or right. Now that we are producing the right number, you're pulling up quality issues...What's next? what will happen when the quality has been attended to? Not the right kind of race? Wrong gender? Wrong location? wrong home language?

Confused unthankful Morons !
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MabhebezaEC!

@candilious
Blue_Lady- you out of line. Stop with this already jassas
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No domkop she's not.....She's 100% correct!!!!!!!!!
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DeCock1

This is bogus!!! There are lots of student in the finance and accounting field but the private sector always caters to our white counterparts thus most black graduates will run to the AG and other finance sector employers to fulfil their potentials....
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LBS

@Blue_Lady
To Sharp, Whites are still most likely to be 1st considered over a Black ppl. As to them starting business is bcoz they don't want report to a black Superior at Work places.... finish 'n klaar

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Whites don't mind reporting to a QUALIFIED black boss but when tokenism is in place NOBODY wants to report to a black boss who gets the salary but hasn't a cooken clue what's going on!

As for whites starting their own business - every member of my family started their own businesses and makes mega bucks.
Guess we can thank the ANC for reverse racism and discrimination! LOL
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Bluemas

Coordidination between industry and learning institution is zero, hence the wrong production of graduates, we are working in silos without a common goal. SAQA through it's SETAS were supose to be the common manifold but they are focusing on addressing on equity than skills interventions.
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Jaja'sQueen

@Candilious
Thanks
@4Biko
I think like me a lot of students are affraid of failure, and have no idea what their calpabilities are. HG maths is terrifying - I failed SG maths at school but later in life I was able to study accounting cause somoene had channeled me in that direction. Students with not enough guidance often opt for the so-called easier courses. I think the last two years of school should be used to channel students into functional courses.
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Fred55

Vanzwane " Why don't the Public and Private take in the graduates and train them to become what the company requires ? "

You are correct but then the employees must leave the company immediately after they receive the training. Also, if you employ someone and take a chance on training them you stand the chance of them turning on you and calling the unions in.

Employers will rather not employ than take a chance on someone because of the unions. That is why I agree that there should be a more flexible labour policy for people under a certain age.
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Fred55

SETAS are a waste of time. The old trade system worked very well for the technical training and they should bring the system back.

The youth must not be too proud to become plumbers, electricians, welders, mechanics, fitters and turners etc, etc . These trades are in demand.
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zino

these ppl really know how to manupilate figures if SA varsities are not producing ,who produced them and do they regard themselves as under-qualified no i dooo' nt think so.

shut the hel.l up and why talk about this things in january all the time do you want to discourage our fellow brothers?
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SoloD

mxim i know lots of commerce grads without jobs...no argument though
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MuAfro

Another way of solving this would be to make it a point that at grade 10, the kids are given the statistics of what is needed out there. So they can go for a carreer which will add value to the country. Instead of being a graduate who is just adding to the unemployed.

The goverment and private companies must help the department of education with the developments so they can help the students.
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langman

Blak students want short cuts to success , that is what makes the choose wrong careers
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Jaja'sQueen

@langman
You would know this because you are Black?
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OpportunityNyoni

This clearly explains why educated foriegners are taking our jobs. We (South Africans) are all factory faults. God help us.
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cornelius

@Mabhebeza. So you have decided to continue with your racial hatred against whites this year ?

Anyway, what this article shows is that whites will always survive and make a contribution, even if we are discriminated against by BEE. Its called ambition and work ethic.
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Wordoftruth

So what is the solution to this problem and who is proactively getting this solved? hopefully whatever solution/s will be multi pronged and in a systematic fashion by ALL stakeholders involved.
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HisnameisAstro!!!

@Blue_Lady! Shame on you and your biased views! With people of your thinking our country and society will never go anywhere. Everything to you is about race! I bet if a black person tries to start a business you will the first one to say it will never succeed! Why does everything have to be color with y'all? If a person of different color doesn't find employment and start his/her own business does it have to have alterior motives or racial motives? We should be promoting enterpreneurs and innovators and instead you see race in everything that anybody does. What do you think those ppl should do? go and steal? We need to get our ppl off grants and encorouge education (science and Maths) and entrepreneurship regardless of color! i really feel sorry for your kids!
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SED

"Universities are producing the wrong kind of graduates to redress South Africa’s high unemployment rate, a labour analyst says."

How many of Graduates were touched to draw a business plan? How many of them know where to register a business and how much it costs? How many of them know how to acquire finance and other development assistances? How many of them know how to bid for a tender?

I don’t blame it on GRADUATESS; I blame it on the curriculum. If it is more important to create jobs than to look for jobs, why doesn’t BLADE.GOV.ZA provide these entrepreneurial skills across all the faculties?

Do Graduates set the curriculum? My apology if they do.

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Tang

Well cocoalition between government n University is pour millions into our account and u will be rewarded.

well this is the reward;
this coalition include " we will make sur we have black student in the white market afta completing their course and we will advice them to take course far away from taking ur public (government) job, and u fools shud do us a huge favour keep away ur blacks piglet from the public money, u ugly old fool will remain in the government job and your young one will be our sons slaves and our folks in parliament agreed. so we sold (not like old system "slave Auction" but indereclty. thats why Minister of Education is white,. to enahnce igorance at best!
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kgoshimash

@ e kapa ur seconded
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