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Jordan got doctorate from publication: Report

By Sapa | 2014-08-14 10:41:11.0 | COMMENTS [ 79 ]

Pallo Jordan smilingly attributed his doctorate to the publication "Africa Confidential" according to a conversation from 30 years ago, Beeld reported on Thursday.

In 1986 retired professor and writer Gail Gerhart and his colleague Thomas Karis had lunch with Jordan in Lusaka, Zambia, and asked him where he obtained his doctorate.

"I remember his exact words. 'My doctorate was bestowed on me by Africa Confidential', he said with a big grin. We all laughed about it and the subject changed," said Gerhart.

Africa Confidential is a British publication which has reported on political and economic matters since 1960.

Jordan resigned as an African National Congress MP on Monday and tendered his resignation from the governing party's national executive committee, as well as his membership from the party itself after a Sunday Times report that he did not have a doctorate nor other qualifications associated with him.

Professor Stephen Ellis, editor of Africa Confidential from 1986 to 1991, could not remember writing about Jordan not having a degree, but he had been aware of it for a long time.

He assumed the publication incorrectly attributed the doctorate at a time before he was editor and that Jordan had "liked it" and started using it.

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Mshovekahle

I remember his exact words. 'My doctorate was bestowed on me by Africa Confidential', he said with a big grin. We all laughed about it and the subject changed," said Gerhart xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx In this case I blame Africa Confidential for first misleading to jordaan into thinking that he was adoctor

2014-08-14 10:46:35.0 | 1 replies

hashTagSunday

@Mshovekahle you are an astronaut - your spaceship is in you backyard - enjoy your trip to the moon

2014-08-14 11:16:33.0 | 0 replies

Dandan

I like to confess from the first encounter with this idiot called #skwamasamabele1 I never liked him , my blood didn’t gel with him , today Im proven he claims to have foreign qualifications, doesnt know difference between “thesis” & “dissertation” thanx I didn’t ha.te you for no reasons, geeese

2014-08-14 10:47:35.0 | 3 replies

Dandan

"fraudulent foreign qualifications"

2014-08-14 10:49:51.0 | 2 replies

MthimbanaT

Dandan, you must go blog all the kaak you post on Sowetan kwiLanga. They will also also give you a doctorate in kaak :)

2014-08-14 10:54:41.0 | 1 replies
2014-08-14 10:56:35.0 | 0 replies

Dandan

So you hate me for the truth fine even Jesus Christ was crucified for the light and the way, go on worship your Lucifer

2014-08-14 11:02:28.0 | 1 replies

RobinX

WHAT!!! So now you are comparing yourself with Christ? You need urgent help.

2014-08-14 11:06:11.0 | 1 replies

mgijimi

Lol ayeye mdala remember yesterday's article which said 1 of 3 S Africans are suffering from mental disorder, are you suprised by Dandan's behaviour? myself am not

2014-08-14 11:28:02.0 | 0 replies

RobinX

WRONG ARTICLE POEPHOL!!!

2014-08-14 10:52:47.0 | 1 replies

MthimbanaT

Kwakwakwakwakwakwa! Mshove Phela le ndoda izokhala. Asiyiyeke :)

2014-08-14 11:02:49.0 | 0 replies

mgijimi

Dandan you are forever disgruntled, what went wrong boy, are you still drinking milk nje?

2014-08-14 11:29:33.0 | 1 replies

Dandan

#Mfanawempondo, ade ubhema insangu nenkosi yakho, lol

2014-08-14 11:34:36.0 | 1 replies

mgijimi

Am not impondo mtshana and I will never be one, amampondo are from Bizana,Lusikisiki,Mount Fletcher but I am not by any chance impondo, I am 100% xhosa

2014-08-14 11:37:15.0 | 2 replies

Dandan

Kwakwakwakwa so uyimpondo liphi wena, lol

2014-08-14 11:40:11.0 | 1 replies

mgijimi

andilompondo mfana womzulu, do you have a problem with understanding kanti?

2014-08-14 11:43:38.0 | 1 replies

Dandan

kwakwwakwakwa Ooola Dr Mgijimi

2014-08-14 12:00:51.0 | 0 replies

Sbhekuza

eeeeey iinzule kanene ngoqinelwa yinhloko....nci nci nci

2014-08-14 13:58:55.0 | 0 replies

Socrates

Eish, yeah neh, life changes so drastically without warnings. now how does he move on from here

2014-08-14 10:49:56.0 | 0 replies

Maduvula

these doctorate thing mara, just imagine Dr Rebecca Malope!

2014-08-14 10:55:44.0 | 0 replies

Pelo-ya-ntja

When this story broke into our ears - I warned people that whites are behind this, and Pablo was friends with whites

2014-08-14 10:59:21.0 | 4 replies
2014-08-14 11:06:35.0 | 1 replies
2014-08-14 11:14:21.0 | 1 replies

RobinX

Which truth? Don't make me laugh.

2014-08-14 11:22:17.0 | 0 replies

MommaC

Pablo had to be friends with 'whites'. With a surname like Picasso, it was only logical

2014-08-14 11:14:22.0 | 1 replies

Pelo-ya-ntja

Pablo has never earned my respect as a black person and this FAKE qualification its not a surprise to my ear, remember i told you i can smell a white influenced person from miles away.

2014-08-14 11:45:59.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

I didn't particularly understand his paintings but I don't think he gave a rat's furry arse about your 'respect'. From photos of him, he seemed pretty 'white' to me.

2014-08-14 11:50:46.0 | 1 replies

Pelo-ya-ntja

From photos of him I just see "white" confused old dog

2014-08-14 11:58:53.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

Considering how strange his paintings were, I recon he was dipping into some strong hallucinogenics.

(I wonder how long it is going to take for him to click?)

2014-08-14 13:16:07.0 | 0 replies

hashTagSunday

@Pelo you are such an adorable little racist

2014-08-14 11:17:55.0 | 1 replies

Pelo-ya-ntja

I'm not racist, I put things as they are - a snake is a snake , PERIOD

2014-08-14 11:53:14.0 | 2 replies

RobinX

And a racist is a racist. PERIOD. that is things as they are with you.

2014-08-14 12:02:45.0 | 0 replies

hashTagSunday

No Pelo you are a racist and all you thoughts are hateful little racist thoughts.....things only seem to you like you think they are because you are a racist...

2014-08-14 12:07:37.0 | 0 replies

Dandan

#Pelo, truly speaking Jordan was naive to make such big claim , for 20 yrs his dissertation was wanted for referral , what was he thinking , you cant lie with such production its for public , this guy was selfish just because he was a Minister nobody could pressuries him to publicise his work on book shelves, no guys no , students studying Communications Masters, Hons etc could find his article , was that not sabotage for our Researchers

2014-08-14 11:21:49.0 | 2 replies

Dandan

"couldnt find his article"

2014-08-14 11:23:00.0 | 1 replies

MthimbanaT

Ngithe mina bhala ngesiZulu weDandan uyeke ukuzihlaza. Umuntu iphume ngefasitela esikoleni kufanele abhale ngesiZulu siyezwana :)

2014-08-14 11:30:06.0 | 1 replies

mgijimi

Just like S.cold he sticks to his isiZulu to avoid ukuzihlambalaza lol

2014-08-14 11:39:10.0 | 0 replies

RobinX

What are you on about? Here he virtually confesses that he never got a qualification, nor wrote any "dissertation" or "thesis" or whatever you would like to call whatever didn't happen.

2014-08-14 11:24:04.0 | 0 replies

Papage

Dr Irvin Khosa, Dr Jordaan, Dr Malope, soon Zuma will be a DR

2014-08-14 11:23:27.0 | 2 replies

MommaC

I think some ejit already gave Zuma an honorary doctorate. Khosa has never claimed to have earned his doctorate. It was always known that it was an honorary one (so he really shouldn't use the honorific). This is more about the lie than the degree

2014-08-14 11:31:35.0 | 1 replies

RobinX

Indeed. Some misinformed over-zealously PC US university.

2014-08-14 12:03:25.0 | 0 replies

Phuphethakatha

Dr Khumalo , Dr Mageu, Dr Dre, the list is endless. But I'll just him Tat'u Pallo Jordan finish...

2014-08-14 11:55:58.0 | 1 replies

mgijimi

U will what him?

2014-08-14 12:26:45.0 | 0 replies

BlackStarLiner

Opposition parties are really enjoying this neh? Are they saying that this Man got a Doctorate from the coffee table?

2014-08-14 11:24:25.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

Do you ever actually read any of the articles?

2014-08-14 11:28:23.0 | 1 replies

BlackStarLiner

MommaC==== why the question naked lady?

2014-08-14 11:48:20.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

The article and your question don't tie up.

2014-08-14 11:51:58.0 | 1 replies

BlackStarLiner

MommaC==== don’t sit and wait like a traffic cop naked lady. It was just a pun aimed at this hilarious comment from these two; Gail Gerhart and his colleague Thomas Karis. They seem to be enjoying this. Just have a look at this extract: - “He assumed the publication incorrectly attributed the doctorate at a time before he was editor and that Jordan had "liked it" and started using it.” These guys are laughing all the way I say

2014-08-14 12:12:58.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

Try reading the article again. The laughing was when they were with Jordan. ...... Oh, and that isn't me in the picture, it is a wonderful pinup girl from the 1950s by the name of Bettie Page.

2014-08-14 13:18:05.0 | 1 replies

BlackStarLiner

You take long to comprehend naked lady – perhaps you need to stop looking for mistakes in every comment. At the end of the day, the whole article is about poking a pun at Jordan for liking the word and using it – that is my point.

2014-08-14 13:37:42.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

You really do read an awful lot into nothing. I bet you think the birds are skinnering about you every morning.

2014-08-14 13:50:10.0 | 1 replies

BlackStarLiner

Once again, your thoughts, not mine. You think it; it’s yours naked lady. Dont pass the bug.

2014-08-14 16:04:39.0 | 0 replies

Groovisto

It is soo broing and un-befitting for Doctorates to be given just as a packet of Common-Sweets (for real Dr Rebecca Malope, Dr Malibongwe, Dr Lusanda etc. Universities must stop lowering our education standards by just giving away Doctorates. They don't come easily:the proposal,Research,the Thesis all is not child's play. If Universities have no Doctorate graduates they just confer these Honorary Doctorates. The Rebeccas have no claim to be called Doctor, they did not work for it. She is still Ms Rebecca Malope, but she is crazy to claim Dr Malope.

2014-08-14 11:28:45.0 | 0 replies

coconut_Twii

After making and passing so many laws as a parliamentarian! No wonder the justice system seems suspect on many occasions. What with imitation legislators like that. To think I’ve been in awe of this man for so long. It's only fitting that he be made an ambassador in Hong Kong coz he’s *ong Kong. (I’m kidding, I take that back, that's just low). Hind sight though is a beautiful thing. Now looking at this man's picture I can see this chap can’t be a doctor, I mean seriously, look at him. Well, it turns out he's not! (I take that back too!!)

2014-08-14 11:29:04.0 | 0 replies

mgijimi

Some of us are not suprised by this, we knew dark or blue that a way of justifying lies will come up, how do you accept something that you know that you do not deserve. Anyway he is a cadre they will justify it at all angles

2014-08-14 11:35:04.0 | 0 replies

imfene

Sadly, employers in South Africa and around the world do not accept South African education qualifications anymore, so Dr.Jordan may as well continue using his Doctorate title to help his feelings of inferiority. It makes no difference.

2014-08-14 11:37:57.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

Most of our tertiary qualifications are still recognised in other countries. Despite the problems our universities have, the end results are surprisingly good (in most subjects).

2014-08-14 11:45:07.0 | 1 replies

imfene

I understand (correct me if I am wrong) that certain faculties only at UCT and Stellenbosch are accepted in only certain countries, subject to at least one year's "reorientation" course being passed in that country.

2014-08-14 11:54:48.0 | 2 replies

Dandan

Could you explain to me, how come a person goes for studies abroad to complete his/her studies on record time whereas its known fact its impossible to do that at home eg MBA cant be be completed on three yrs or Masters on one yr, must we take this serious cause we often find these people are given more priority over local graduates when it comes to interviews, they will tell you s/he has foreign qualifications

2014-08-14 12:06:51.0 | 3 replies

hashTagSunday

An MBA is normally one year, some are 2, most part time are 2yrs

2014-08-14 12:17:57.0 | 0 replies

MommaC

Oh for goodness sakes, Dandan! Enough with this lie about a Masters not being done in one year in South Africa! It is done here too!

2014-08-14 13:22:47.0 | 0 replies

MommaC

Oh, and:
As a part time student, taking one course per study period, you can typically complete your 12 course MBA in 3 years or 1.5 years as a full time student.
http://www.unisa.edu.au/business/igsb/programs/mba/program/

Not everyone is as slow at learning as you are!

2014-08-14 13:25:52.0 | 0 replies

MommaC

Imfene, It depends on the degree you do. Certain degrees (law, medicine, engineering etc) have always been subjected to writing the 'board exam' if you go to other countries and, yes, you are given a year in which to do so. That practice has been around since before I was born.

2014-08-14 13:21:27.0 | 1 replies

Dandan

You sound so sensitive as if you know few with these so called foreign papers, and it sound like you are running away from what Im trying to justify , are you telling me all SAfricans going abroad are so brilliant cant afford to fail one single module , stop the f.u.c.k of yourself maaaan, Its known fact foreign students are pushed out in avoiding Visas costs,and other expenses, yet you are so stupid to blame Angie about 30% very quick to recognise foreign worthless paper

2014-08-14 14:08:44.0 | 1 replies

MommaC

DAFUQ are you on about now? Universities don't 'push out' failures because it would affect their credibility. If you don't know that credibility is EVERYTHING in academia, then you know nothing. The entire university rating is based on the quality of their graduates. No university is going to jeopardise that simply because the student needs to renew a visa! The university doesn't give a shiit about what their visa costs!

2014-08-14 14:26:23.0 | 0 replies
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