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Jordan got doctorate from publication: Report

By Sapa | 2014-08-14 10:41:11.0 | COMMENTS [ 79 ]

Pallo Jordan smilingly attributed his doctorate to the publication "Africa Confidential" according to a conversation from 30 years ago, Beeld reported on Thursday.

In 1986 retired professor and writer Gail Gerhart and his colleague Thomas Karis had lunch with Jordan in Lusaka, Zambia, and asked him where he obtained his doctorate.

"I remember his exact words. 'My doctorate was bestowed on me by Africa Confidential', he said with a big grin. We all laughed about it and the subject changed," said Gerhart.

Africa Confidential is a British publication which has reported on political and economic matters since 1960.

Jordan resigned as an African National Congress MP on Monday and tendered his resignation from the governing party's national executive committee, as well as his membership from the party itself after a Sunday Times report that he did not have a doctorate nor other qualifications associated with him.

Professor Stephen Ellis, editor of Africa Confidential from 1986 to 1991, could not remember writing about Jordan not having a degree, but he had been aware of it for a long time.

He assumed the publication incorrectly attributed the doctorate at a time before he was editor and that Jordan had "liked it" and started using it.


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I remember his exact words. 'My doctorate was bestowed on me by Africa Confidential', he said with a big grin. We all laughed about it and the subject changed," said Gerhart xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx In this case I blame Africa Confidential for first misleading to jordaan into thinking that he was adoctor

2014-08-14 10:46:35.0 | 1 replies


@Mshovekahle you are an astronaut - your spaceship is in you backyard - enjoy your trip to the moon

2014-08-14 11:16:33.0 | 0 replies


I like to confess from the first encounter with this idiot called #skwamasamabele1 I never liked him , my blood didn’t gel with him , today Im proven he claims to have foreign qualifications, doesnt know difference between “thesis” & “dissertation” thanx I didn’t ha.te you for no reasons, geeese

2014-08-14 10:47:35.0 | 3 replies


"fraudulent foreign qualifications"

2014-08-14 10:49:51.0 | 2 replies


Dandan, you must go blog all the kaak you post on Sowetan kwiLanga. They will also also give you a doctorate in kaak :)

2014-08-14 10:54:41.0 | 1 replies
2014-08-14 10:56:35.0 | 0 replies


So you hate me for the truth fine even Jesus Christ was crucified for the light and the way, go on worship your Lucifer

2014-08-14 11:02:28.0 | 1 replies


WHAT!!! So now you are comparing yourself with Christ? You need urgent help.

2014-08-14 11:06:11.0 | 1 replies


Lol ayeye mdala remember yesterday's article which said 1 of 3 S Africans are suffering from mental disorder, are you suprised by Dandan's behaviour? myself am not

2014-08-14 11:28:02.0 | 0 replies



2014-08-14 10:52:47.0 | 1 replies


Kwakwakwakwakwakwa! Mshove Phela le ndoda izokhala. Asiyiyeke :)

2014-08-14 11:02:49.0 | 0 replies


Dandan you are forever disgruntled, what went wrong boy, are you still drinking milk nje?

2014-08-14 11:29:33.0 | 1 replies


#Mfanawempondo, ade ubhema insangu nenkosi yakho, lol

2014-08-14 11:34:36.0 | 1 replies


Am not impondo mtshana and I will never be one, amampondo are from Bizana,Lusikisiki,Mount Fletcher but I am not by any chance impondo, I am 100% xhosa

2014-08-14 11:37:15.0 | 2 replies


Kwakwakwakwa so uyimpondo liphi wena, lol

2014-08-14 11:40:11.0 | 1 replies


andilompondo mfana womzulu, do you have a problem with understanding kanti?

2014-08-14 11:43:38.0 | 1 replies


kwakwwakwakwa Ooola Dr Mgijimi

2014-08-14 12:00:51.0 | 0 replies


eeeeey iinzule kanene ngoqinelwa yinhloko....nci nci nci

2014-08-14 13:58:55.0 | 0 replies


Eish, yeah neh, life changes so drastically without warnings. now how does he move on from here

2014-08-14 10:49:56.0 | 0 replies


these doctorate thing mara, just imagine Dr Rebecca Malope!

2014-08-14 10:55:44.0 | 0 replies


When this story broke into our ears - I warned people that whites are behind this, and Pablo was friends with whites

2014-08-14 10:59:21.0 | 4 replies
2014-08-14 11:06:35.0 | 1 replies
2014-08-14 11:14:21.0 | 1 replies


Which truth? Don't make me laugh.

2014-08-14 11:22:17.0 | 0 replies


Pablo had to be friends with 'whites'. With a surname like Picasso, it was only logical

2014-08-14 11:14:22.0 | 1 replies


Pablo has never earned my respect as a black person and this FAKE qualification its not a surprise to my ear, remember i told you i can smell a white influenced person from miles away.

2014-08-14 11:45:59.0 | 1 replies


I didn't particularly understand his paintings but I don't think he gave a rat's furry arse about your 'respect'. From photos of him, he seemed pretty 'white' to me.

2014-08-14 11:50:46.0 | 1 replies


From photos of him I just see "white" confused old dog

2014-08-14 11:58:53.0 | 1 replies


Considering how strange his paintings were, I recon he was dipping into some strong hallucinogenics.

(I wonder how long it is going to take for him to click?)

2014-08-14 13:16:07.0 | 0 replies


@Pelo you are such an adorable little racist

2014-08-14 11:17:55.0 | 1 replies


I'm not racist, I put things as they are - a snake is a snake , PERIOD

2014-08-14 11:53:14.0 | 2 replies


And a racist is a racist. PERIOD. that is things as they are with you.

2014-08-14 12:02:45.0 | 0 replies


No Pelo you are a racist and all you thoughts are hateful little racist thoughts.....things only seem to you like you think they are because you are a racist...

2014-08-14 12:07:37.0 | 0 replies


#Pelo, truly speaking Jordan was naive to make such big claim , for 20 yrs his dissertation was wanted for referral , what was he thinking , you cant lie with such production its for public , this guy was selfish just because he was a Minister nobody could pressuries him to publicise his work on book shelves, no guys no , students studying Communications Masters, Hons etc could find his article , was that not sabotage for our Researchers

2014-08-14 11:21:49.0 | 2 replies


"couldnt find his article"

2014-08-14 11:23:00.0 | 1 replies


Ngithe mina bhala ngesiZulu weDandan uyeke ukuzihlaza. Umuntu iphume ngefasitela esikoleni kufanele abhale ngesiZulu siyezwana :)

2014-08-14 11:30:06.0 | 1 replies


Just like S.cold he sticks to his isiZulu to avoid ukuzihlambalaza lol

2014-08-14 11:39:10.0 | 0 replies


What are you on about? Here he virtually confesses that he never got a qualification, nor wrote any "dissertation" or "thesis" or whatever you would like to call whatever didn't happen.

2014-08-14 11:24:04.0 | 0 replies


Dr Irvin Khosa, Dr Jordaan, Dr Malope, soon Zuma will be a DR

2014-08-14 11:23:27.0 | 2 replies


I think some ejit already gave Zuma an honorary doctorate. Khosa has never claimed to have earned his doctorate. It was always known that it was an honorary one (so he really shouldn't use the honorific). This is more about the lie than the degree

2014-08-14 11:31:35.0 | 1 replies


Indeed. Some misinformed over-zealously PC US university.

2014-08-14 12:03:25.0 | 0 replies


Dr Khumalo , Dr Mageu, Dr Dre, the list is endless. But I'll just him Tat'u Pallo Jordan finish...

2014-08-14 11:55:58.0 | 1 replies


U will what him?

2014-08-14 12:26:45.0 | 0 replies


Opposition parties are really enjoying this neh? Are they saying that this Man got a Doctorate from the coffee table?

2014-08-14 11:24:25.0 | 1 replies


Do you ever actually read any of the articles?

2014-08-14 11:28:23.0 | 1 replies


MommaC==== why the question naked lady?

2014-08-14 11:48:20.0 | 1 replies


The article and your question don't tie up.

2014-08-14 11:51:58.0 | 1 replies


MommaC==== don’t sit and wait like a traffic cop naked lady. It was just a pun aimed at this hilarious comment from these two; Gail Gerhart and his colleague Thomas Karis. They seem to be enjoying this. Just have a look at this extract: - “He assumed the publication incorrectly attributed the doctorate at a time before he was editor and that Jordan had "liked it" and started using it.” These guys are laughing all the way I say

2014-08-14 12:12:58.0 | 1 replies


Try reading the article again. The laughing was when they were with Jordan. ...... Oh, and that isn't me in the picture, it is a wonderful pinup girl from the 1950s by the name of Bettie Page.

2014-08-14 13:18:05.0 | 1 replies


You take long to comprehend naked lady – perhaps you need to stop looking for mistakes in every comment. At the end of the day, the whole article is about poking a pun at Jordan for liking the word and using it – that is my point.

2014-08-14 13:37:42.0 | 1 replies


You really do read an awful lot into nothing. I bet you think the birds are skinnering about you every morning.

2014-08-14 13:50:10.0 | 1 replies


Once again, your thoughts, not mine. You think it; it’s yours naked lady. Dont pass the bug.

2014-08-14 16:04:39.0 | 0 replies


It is soo broing and un-befitting for Doctorates to be given just as a packet of Common-Sweets (for real Dr Rebecca Malope, Dr Malibongwe, Dr Lusanda etc. Universities must stop lowering our education standards by just giving away Doctorates. They don't come easily:the proposal,Research,the Thesis all is not child's play. If Universities have no Doctorate graduates they just confer these Honorary Doctorates. The Rebeccas have no claim to be called Doctor, they did not work for it. She is still Ms Rebecca Malope, but she is crazy to claim Dr Malope.

2014-08-14 11:28:45.0 | 0 replies


After making and passing so many laws as a parliamentarian! No wonder the justice system seems suspect on many occasions. What with imitation legislators like that. To think I’ve been in awe of this man for so long. It's only fitting that he be made an ambassador in Hong Kong coz he’s *ong Kong. (I’m kidding, I take that back, that's just low). Hind sight though is a beautiful thing. Now looking at this man's picture I can see this chap can’t be a doctor, I mean seriously, look at him. Well, it turns out he's not! (I take that back too!!)

2014-08-14 11:29:04.0 | 0 replies


Some of us are not suprised by this, we knew dark or blue that a way of justifying lies will come up, how do you accept something that you know that you do not deserve. Anyway he is a cadre they will justify it at all angles

2014-08-14 11:35:04.0 | 0 replies


Sadly, employers in South Africa and around the world do not accept South African education qualifications anymore, so Dr.Jordan may as well continue using his Doctorate title to help his feelings of inferiority. It makes no difference.

2014-08-14 11:37:57.0 | 1 replies


Most of our tertiary qualifications are still recognised in other countries. Despite the problems our universities have, the end results are surprisingly good (in most subjects).

2014-08-14 11:45:07.0 | 1 replies


I understand (correct me if I am wrong) that certain faculties only at UCT and Stellenbosch are accepted in only certain countries, subject to at least one year's "reorientation" course being passed in that country.

2014-08-14 11:54:48.0 | 2 replies


Could you explain to me, how come a person goes for studies abroad to complete his/her studies on record time whereas its known fact its impossible to do that at home eg MBA cant be be completed on three yrs or Masters on one yr, must we take this serious cause we often find these people are given more priority over local graduates when it comes to interviews, they will tell you s/he has foreign qualifications

2014-08-14 12:06:51.0 | 3 replies


An MBA is normally one year, some are 2, most part time are 2yrs

2014-08-14 12:17:57.0 | 0 replies


Oh for goodness sakes, Dandan! Enough with this lie about a Masters not being done in one year in South Africa! It is done here too!

2014-08-14 13:22:47.0 | 0 replies


Oh, and:
As a part time student, taking one course per study period, you can typically complete your 12 course MBA in 3 years or 1.5 years as a full time student.

Not everyone is as slow at learning as you are!

2014-08-14 13:25:52.0 | 0 replies


Imfene, It depends on the degree you do. Certain degrees (law, medicine, engineering etc) have always been subjected to writing the 'board exam' if you go to other countries and, yes, you are given a year in which to do so. That practice has been around since before I was born.

2014-08-14 13:21:27.0 | 1 replies


You sound so sensitive as if you know few with these so called foreign papers, and it sound like you are running away from what Im trying to justify , are you telling me all SAfricans going abroad are so brilliant cant afford to fail one single module , stop the f.u.c.k of yourself maaaan, Its known fact foreign students are pushed out in avoiding Visas costs,and other expenses, yet you are so stupid to blame Angie about 30% very quick to recognise foreign worthless paper

2014-08-14 14:08:44.0 | 1 replies


DAFUQ are you on about now? Universities don't 'push out' failures because it would affect their credibility. If you don't know that credibility is EVERYTHING in academia, then you know nothing. The entire university rating is based on the quality of their graduates. No university is going to jeopardise that simply because the student needs to renew a visa! The university doesn't give a shiit about what their visa costs!

2014-08-14 14:26:23.0 | 0 replies