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Ramaphosa in 'incestuous web': Mpofu

By Sapa | 2014-08-12 12:50:09.0 | COMMENTS [ 19 ]

Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa was caught up in "incestuous relations" with roleplayers at Marikana in August 2012, the Farlam Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday.

"You had relations with [former police minister] Mr Nathi Mthethwa, you were both in the ANC national executive of the ANC, as well as with [ANC secretary general] Gwede Mantashe," said Dali Mpofu, for the wounded and arrested Marikana miners.

"You were a non-executive director of Lonmin. If you look at that web of relationships you will accept that you were caught in a cesspool of incestuous relationships in relation to the [Marikana] players."

Ramaphosa objected.

"Mr chairman, I do take exception to a question that seems to suggest that my relation with my organisation, the African National Congress, is incestuous," he said.

"Similarly, Mr Chairman, I also take exception to a suggestion that my relationship with the secretary general of the ANC, and all the other colleagues, is incestuous."

Mpofu responded: "Yeah, that might well be."

Commission chairman retired judge Ian Farlam said "incestuous" was an "unhappy word" which should be withdrawn.

"You should spell out what the nature of the conflict was. Put to the witness clearly what the conflict was. Don't use objectionable adjectives," Farlam said.

Mpofu responded: "I will try and restrain myself."

The commission is investigating the deaths of 44 people during strike-related violence at Lonmin's platinum mining operations at Marikana, near Rustenburg in the North West, in August 2012.

Thirty-four people, mostly striking mineworkers, were shot dead in a clash with police, over 70 were wounded, and over 250 arrested on August 16, 2012. Police were apparently trying to disarm and disperse them.

In the preceding week, 10 people, including two policemen and two Lonmin security guards, were killed.

On Tuesday, Mpofu said Ramaphosa's responsibilities at Marikana went beyond fiduciary duties as a non-executive director of Lonmin.

"Of the parties you say should share the responsibility, you were associated with [the] Lonmin board and management, you were a shareholder, the SA Police Service, the government," said Mpofu.

Ramaphosa said he was not in government [at the time].

Mpofu retorted: "You were not in government but you were exchanging telephone calls with people in government.

"You were a senior member of the ANC".

Mpofu suggested Ramaphosa was criminally liable for the Marikana events.

"For me to motivate for that recommendation to be made, I am going lay the basis in this discussion with you. The first basis is your actions or non-actions," he said.

"The other basis is what we lawyers call the causality. That is the connection between what you did and the consequences thereof. In this case, the consequences are the death and injuries of mineworkers."



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Sowetan can we please have another story, yerrrr sizwile manje!

2014-08-12 12:52:56.0 | 1 replies



2014-08-12 12:58:42.0 | 0 replies


We are tired of watching Mpofu raking millions from this meaningless commision, Erich yourself Mpofu and shut up

2014-08-12 12:58:35.0 | 1 replies


He is rendering a service for which he gets paid. Do you think SAPS Lawyers are enriching themselves? How about Ramaphosa's lawyers?

2014-08-12 15:20:29.0 | 0 replies



2014-08-12 12:59:43.0 | 0 replies


Mpoofoo is a complete douche. But he has a point about causality. Unfortunatley like many of his brethren he does not understand it. The main causal factor behind all of this shrit was AMCU's gangster struggle with NUM. So if you are looking for causality you should first examine that area Dr advocate Mpoef before proceeding onto others.

2014-08-12 13:12:41.0 | 2 replies


Mpoofoo , Dr advocate Mpoef Ha!ha!ha!

2014-08-12 13:25:48.0 | 0 replies


Yes it proceeded the events but did the acrimonious relations suddenly grow arms and did it fatally wound 44 miners?

2014-08-12 15:22:17.0 | 0 replies


Mpofu is making this commission an EFF project. disgusting

2014-08-12 13:57:07.0 | 2 replies


No, he is representing the injured miners.

2014-08-12 15:19:34.0 | 1 replies


thought he's representing the dead miners, NUM that were killed by ANCU and AMCU that were killed by the police!

2014-08-12 15:31:06.0 | 0 replies



2014-08-12 16:43:25.0 | 0 replies


Ramaphosa you have blood on your hands.

2014-08-12 14:05:27.0 | 1 replies


Joseph Mathunjwa you mean? Mr X and the muthi man?

2014-08-12 16:04:20.0 | 0 replies


Todate, those unionists responsible for murdering police and security guards (including their bosses) have not been arrested. Why?

2014-08-12 14:28:17.0 | 1 replies


Good start but surely you have to include the police officers who killed 3 people in the days before Aug 16 and 44 people in your question, why exclude the miners?

2014-08-12 15:23:47.0 | 0 replies


the buffallo man has also to explain the meaning of the word concominant action!

2014-08-12 14:45:59.0 | 0 replies


Pretoria - Dali Mpofu asked Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa to intervene and help him advance his career, the Farlam Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Mpofu is an opportinist not a politician He is old to become a politician now

2014-08-12 15:43:26.0 | 0 replies


Guys you are making irresponsible comments. The ANC government killed workers in Marikana and someone says he's tired of hearing Dali Mpofu's name, come on people, this is a national issue that must be dealt with accordingly. We can't avoid and play ignorance to the issue that reminds an African of the racial oppression and first degree killings by apartheid government which the ANC condoned and executed in its 100 centuary of existence. The future looks disappointing.

2014-08-12 17:06:57.0 | 0 replies