Why the f(&$^&$!! do they let this moron speak in public !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
Hehehehehe. The man really has no clue about women. I perm my hair to curl it, and I've spent what must amount to years in the sun to get darker, and I'm well aware that i won't turn into a black by doing it. These cosmetic changes us women do, is for us, because that's what we want to do with our money we work for, and has nothing to do with culture. And dear Mr Prez, how can you even talk about humanity when you say don't take your animals to vets when they're sick, and don't take them for walks to keep them healthy? Really now. I think his speech writer must be on leave. How can this man represent what is supposed to be a non racial organisation when he keeps making such ridiculous racist statements? Someone, please tell me he was misquoted. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
RipApart
Do not underestimate the predictability of stupidity........ Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Pointman
Ja idiot indeed. People want to look nice. Straight hair and nice clothes does not mean a person has abandoned his culture. And the presidents interpretation of African Culture costs money - many wives and many children costs money which only the privileged few like him can afford. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Bebesocs
There he goes again.
People have a RIGHT to do what they like NOT what you like, you put on animal skins who cares about that S.H.I.T, so back off thats freedom,dividing the country. Such a statement is not expected from a STATE PRESIDENT.
He is wearing animal skin showing us his arthritic knees (wearing a mini) Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Folondishi
Zuma's comments are toxic. I have lost respect for this morally bankrupt moron. This is an insult to our sisters and mothers. What does a hair have anything to do with being white? Who wants to be white? Why should a president mock his own people? Maybe we should also tell you not to bonk every women you come across and think that you will turn into a Bramahn. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Pointman
oldlady12
I think his speech writer must be on leave.
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I was wondering what made him make such silly remarks - this is the most probable reason. I was driving through Rosettenville yesterday and noticed that there were many salons advertising braids and weaves - but the people in the streets all still looked black. The presidents formula to turn white is not working. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
Pointman, then you were driving through my valley yesterday. Did you also happen to notice the many abandoned dogs roaming the streets? Is that then the "black" way? To let dogs run the streets to bite innocent children, because the "white" way is to keep them safely in your yard, and if you take them for walks, to have them on a leash. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
sekhebereshe
@Folondishi
Zuma's comments are toxic. I have lost respect for this morally bankrupt moron. This is an insult to our sisters and mothers. What does a hair have anything to do with being white? Who wants to be white? Why should a president mock his own people? Maybe we should also tell you not to bonk every women you come across and think that you will turn into a Bramahn.
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i totally agree.....you said it better. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
Do you realise that we have another 5 years of this kind of embarrassing dumbassery to look forward to? And I thought the blerrie Americans were dumber than a pile of rocks for voting Bush in for two years! Goes to show that it is a universal age of dumbassery Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Phuphethakatha
“If donkeys are better cared for, they are in better condition to carry water or carry a child to school; when dogs are taken to vets for vaccination, it protects people. Caring for an animal and a person goes together.”
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And the President of a country can't even think about this? Such common knowledge, nc.nc.nc.nc. And this showerhead grew up as a herdboy, that's where compassion for dogs and other animals starts to blosom. So our Prez did not learn much from the fields/veld either, it's not just about school. We're in deep, deep trouble !!!
If you can ask him what he meant by the statement, he will laugh and dance.Bloody clown. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Mbelewolwazi
This comment is out of the blue. What has it got to do with anything constructive. This is disappointing. Mr. President, stooping to commenting about cosmetics is to low for a MAN of your stature. Maybe its the festive season? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Jeer this guy has become a fully blown racist caveman, I am ashamed that SA has this person for a president.
@Ponko.Fontoyo
If you can ask him what he meant by the statement, he will laugh and dance.Bloody clown.
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Ha ha ha !!! You made my day... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
Phuphethakatha, your herdboy comment...so right. What my white history teaches me is that when my forefathers came to Africa, they found the black man to be compassionate towards all animals, and in tune with nature, killing only what he needs to eat, never taking more from the land than what he needs to survive. My history says that is was actually my forefathers who came here to plunder animals, hunting large numbers with guns for trophies, and letting the meat rot in the killing fields. Now Zuma is saying that caring for animals is a white thing, and not African? Which history is then the right history? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
BTW Zuma for your education, as part my social responsibility, do you really want to know why many African black children aspire to be white, even bleaching their skins and straightening their hairs? its cause white is associated with success and progress, its a fact though when you have to think about white run continent, the ppl have access to the basics, the children have all basic to high school education, and its the white donors who are keeping our continent alive, its the white run countries where scores of political and sexually persecuted refugees run to, ask guys in the horn of Africa as Lybia is used as transit country to Europe by every African refugee. Whilst you and many rich blacks in your gov use tax payers money to buy women and collect them to decorate your harems. a black child in Africa looks up the white donors who deliver and supply aid in the continent for their survival, even the Netherlands King who had skiing accident, he was some of the poverty stricken African countries before his accident to open a school he built for the children in that country, him and his wife, so how can black children not aspire to be white if that gives them hope? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Folondishi
@ somaartakeit - My family is black and proud. They have never aspired to be white. Good luck to you and your blacks that aspire to be white. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
letwadi
You are right Mr President, I have a dog named zuma, it breeds all over the place and leaves its puppies to be taken care of by the neighbours ( Shabir and the Guptas ), it is not our black culture to let whites and indians to raise our kids, right mr prezzie? To think that we still faced with another term of this bumble bee. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Decibels
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No, we don't aspire to be white....you and Zuma deserve each other, you fail dismally when it comes to interpretation. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
You're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
yes, people buy fake and real Indian hair, assumption is that they wana look like those people, some dark person in blonde hair, ridiculous..... never seen anyone willing to buy my k@ffir hare look-a-like hair....come on, we all know the long straightened hair or the extenstion is to look like a certain race.....and to use that irritating finger thing to get hair out of your face......inferiority complex.......its only mnyamanes who are willing to buy a dead indian hair, if they cant afford it, to a buy a plastic look-alike froma Nigerian... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Zimzalabam1
@somaartakeit - It is the samewhite people whom you associate with success have been looting this continent for dacades.Not all blacks aspire to be white my friend. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Folondishi, then tell me why do majority black Africans always run to the white run countries when they are refugees? is it bcoz they aspire to the whiteman run countries (Europe/Canada/USA/Australia) success, sanity, and chance at having a better life?
don't personalise this debate its not about you or your family its about Africans in general and I wish you wld engage me on those lines ONLY. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
maneater
haaau nkosiyami. i also got a dog that i love, i feed it I take it to the vet when sick it also plays with my children. does this mean i want to be white. or maybe its only whites who are supposed to own a dog because if you cannot take care of it well then you should ot own one. now lets hear mr Maharaj spin this one!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Zunzakabam1 when Africa was looted as you say, what did African leaders do against that and for sustainment of the continent? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
KTKT, if they are copycats, then what am I for perming my hair to get it curlier, and tanning to get darker? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
thathakonke
Well last time I checked dogs were human best friends cause unlike you JZuma they protect us from thugs that you gave parole and gave suspended sentences and they help blind people.As for my hair it's none of your business if it's curly or straight cause it's my money that I work for not getting it from struggling people who wake up in the morning and still have to take their kids to creches and school by public transport.You're the one who lost ubuntu by sleeping with you friend's daughter and impregnating her, sleeping around with HIV + woman and taking a shower,misusing state funds,having lots of kids outside marriage whilst you have wives in your house. If you have nothing to say just shup up Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Maneater, you know most black ppl I know always had dogs (as guard dogs) for their livestock and cats, I can deduce Zuma's comments to him not being educated or knowledgeable on ANY subject, its comments like the ones he ignorantly makes which highlights importance of education, knowledge is power my friends. Report Abuse
madimetsha, dead (or alive) india.n people don't have blonde hair. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MC I have not said I wanted to be white, but I am saying, when you are a child growing up in AFrica with no resources and no hope as is the case of the kids, where the king of Netherlands donated school to and sanitary water, the belief is that, white is success and white is hope, hence skin lightening, and hair straightners incl the blonde and brunette hair extension or human hair dos if you like. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
So why do the rich ladies in white countries give themselves skin cancer with tanning beds and destroy their hair with perms? Do they secretly want to live in a village with no water? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
KTKT, if they are copycats, then what am I for perming my hair to get it curlier, and tanning to get darker?
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You're a copycat too but not a bloody one kakkakkakkakakakakakkakakkakaka.
@MC you know that's vanity not that they aspire to be black, but in black communities believe me I grew up and lived there, light skinned blacks are considered to be prettier etc hence Tswanas were are amongst the most popular chicks with guys. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
he he he he he he he he he he he he!!!! so what he is the President moes do not hate the player hate game maan!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
jebb
very stupid speech,is he really a president???come on zuma...he had a point,but used wrong reasons to support it as i totally agree that blacks shouldnt try too hard to live like white people Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
Honey that has nothing to do with being white. That was around long before the white man set foot here and it has to do with being 'rich'. It is the same as the indian caste system and just as old.
If you were a labourer in the fields, you were in the sun and got dark. If you were the wife of a 'rich' man then you stayed in the house and were lighter. That is eons old.
I never expected such comment form my Pres, but frm people on the street and in their little corners such views( hair) not animals please, are heard. There is one Hugh Masekela who refuse to take a picture with an african lady in a weave, and I have never heard or seen him being ridiculed. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dear anc supporters, this is what you vote for, hehehehehehhehehe.
How d.umb does this guy make you look. hehehehehe Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Nowadays tho MC its got to do with status symbol, that the more darker your skin it means you have money to splash on expensive holidays all year round, but the local markets saw opportunity for the plebs too, and gosh are they cashing in on suntanning mania, in every town in Europe there are hundreds of tanning cabin for those who can't afford holidays in warm countries so everyone is now turned all year round, some come out there looking like tomatoes but its a white ppl fashion what can I say, lol Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Garanteni, Hugh Masekela a recoring drug addict refuses to take pictures with black women wearing wigs/human? I have no doubt those women's lives are shuttered by this, anyway you shld try to chose men of principle if you really have to chose one, cause as things stands Hugh still needs to pay his IDC bill, money geared for job creation, yena as an irresponsible recovering drug addict refuses to pay back to the IDC. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Zimzalabam1
@somaartakeit
where the king of Netherlands donated school to and sanitary water, the belief is that, white is success and white is hope,
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So this is your yardstick to measure sucess,must say its a very,very short stick.Your reasoning is flawed,Africa has so many natural resources.I might acknowledge that these have not been used in the most desireable manner by our so called leaders.If then that would make one to change pigment and be of another race then those people do not deserve to be black. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
Same story, different century. The rich want to be visibly rich and the poor get what they have.
It is just pathetic that a man with so many wives, mistresses, victims and daughters can be so completely ignorant of women. We ALL fiddle with our hair as it is what women do. It isn't for being 'white' or 'black' or even for men - it is for us because we like it. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
He should have started with MaNtuli, Mabida, Ngema.
Phew! it is a good thing stupidity is not contagious but sad reality is it can be passed from generations....... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
and just for the record I don't agree with human hair and hair relaxing, cause in the hair relaxing chemicals I believe there is a health risk, which cosmetic manufacturer of these products will not tell the consumers about, the human hair more often than not looks silly and unpractical, especially when you get those women who always whisking their heads, that makes them look not normal in the head, also when at the restaurant eating, I wish they should avoid touching it cause its off putting to diners who wld be watching this. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Complements of the season to you Ms Kink I wish you and yours even a better year in 2013, as for Zuma I think God is showing us how to not our democracy for granted. And you are right his whole family of females are wearing fake hair. And him and his nieces heavily rely on 'white produce' in order to feel superior to the rest of the clan and or other blacks, I don't see any of them riding on horse cart or maybe its bcoz president doesn't like animals, it now explains why in one of his ancestry worshiping ceremonies the cows were boxed and pounded to death to the shock and horror of the SPCA and all who watched the vid. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONS
Dear anc supporters, this is what you vote for, hehehehehehhehehe.
How d.umb does this guy make you look. hehehehehe
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Solution the man is rught and I'm bloody tired of these people too,what type of a being you're if you cannt accept yourself,you're a fool of none explanation.
Know to me this brown colour and this black short hair they make me a hero since they're who I am.
Somaartekeit, me thinks you have got a low self esteem your comment of late leave much, you seems to be tantalized by europe not sure if you have recently been there. if Mshoza bleach she get fierce criticism from ladies, I am thinking you might have seen ladies who hate almost everything about themselves esp being black you included I sense. Bra Hugh is a legend drug addict or not, IDC money or not, why do u hate so much? Report Abuse
Bra Hugh is a musician, not our President.
Do you really think that Lady Gaga is the President of the USA or that her utterances have any baring on the politics of that country? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaak, The Kinky one sounds really....worked Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Garentini, as I said Europe (and the West) symbolises hope to many in Africa, that's why they risk their lives on makeshift boats sailing to europe. To your leaders it symbolises SUPERIORITY, hence all they have to show their success is Western products, check my friend what they drive, check labels of their suits even they shop in Europe and the USA (for weddings of their children and their luxuries )in order to show you the plebs how superior their can be at your expense of cause, lol for you are paying for these luxuries you know?
They tell you that West is bad (and you foolishly believe them) but they are forever in bed with the West, they will NEVER take major decisions without discussing such and get input from the West, and you want to brandish them as leaders? leaders who can't even taken a decision or have original idea which can implemented and help improve life of many Africans?
Oh did you know their wives get plastic surgery (for their luxury) in the West as well, lol the West is boss my friend, the sooner you realise this the better for your sanity:-) Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Garanteni
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaak, The Kinky one sounds really....worked
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I amnot, have you seen the makeup his wi.ves put on (it is more like face paint) and they also have weaves.......
it baffles me when a pot calls the kettle blac.k Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
@ Mommac in essence u agree with me that I never expected such comment from the president, check my earlier comment, I mention Bra Hugh as a public figure I know that is also taking the same stance on fake hair. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Sometimes when you throw your eyes under that helmet(wiky) there're hair locks greeting,shame. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeit
Hi dear, hope you had a good Xmas. Mine was fab and looking forward to the count down. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
madimetsha
@MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair?
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So what women wear fake hairs men apply creams and swallow tablets to artificially erection. It cuts both ways :-) Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Somaar, your argument is flawful, I dont think its worth responding to. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
I dont like Zuma, never will, however he was misquouted, he if referring to instances where animals are treated better than humans relatively.......example, where its raining, a dog owner will have a dog seat in the front and a humna being at the back of a bakkie........obviuosly you cannot kill your donkey if you use to put food on the table, however you will not have your donkey sleep in the other bedroom, while a human being sleeps outside, catch it?. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
oldlady12
I for one understand what Msholozi is saying, the man is trying to say to us lets not try to be what we are not and what we will never be!!!! On the animal issue he is simply stressing the importance of being human unto other humans....sometimes I think the hatred for the man is clouding bloggers objectivity!!!! It is the same with sport, the same with BEE, the same with wealth, the same with race, the same at the work place.... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Garanteni, like I give a toss engaging a someone like you in a debate, it was my Xmas gift to you cause usually I don't engage ppl like you when I see them in real life, in this one time I decided to be charitable! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
Garanteni
The thing is that it is Bra Hugh's prerogative to say stuff about his personal likes and dislikes - he isn't the president. It is just WRONG for a president to say something so stupid. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MSG_S
I like very dark ladies. But please Mr Zuma let them do what they like. There is no law against to what they do. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
madimetsha
Nope. You are completely clueless. Ask any woman Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Zimzalabam1
@oldlady
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way
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I agree - women should decide what they want to look like,one of the few rights that are still there for them to enjoy.What next mr Pres you will be telling us that we should not walk,dress,chew and drink a certain way beacuse it will be seen as wanting to be white, Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@oldlady12
Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus.
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LOVL he doesn't wear condoms he takes a shower instead, a whiteman invention, to cure himself of hiv, this man is just dumb. We must accept that we have dumbo for president then we won't be annoyed by his foolish remarks. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@somaartakeit
madimetsha
@MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair?
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So what women wear fake hairs men apply creams and swallow tablets to artificially erection. It cuts both ways :-)
swallowing pills for an erection does not mean you want to look like anyone, you just wana enjoy cookie better, not sure which cream you are talking about, african women generally have short curly hair, they go out of their way to make it longer, and straighter, it if fails, they try the stick on, like hair bought from India in the case of Beyonce, or plastic in the case of Zodwa.......and they wana look like certain people. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
oldlady12
madimetsha, maybe what you're missing is each looking after his own. A dog owner won't put his dog in the front, and his own child on the back. I might put my dog in the front of a bakkie, so he doesn't get wet, but then again, I won't put the unknown human on the back. I simply won't give him a lift at all, then he can't complain about where I choose to put my animals. Did you hear JZ's speech to say he was misquoted? I sincerely hope that is the case, because I'd hate to think the prez of our country can be as idiotic as this. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
MorenaWaPolelo
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So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
I wonder what the Ice Princess Sisulu and Mokonayne said when they heard their master ridicule wo.men with weaves and makeup............ I wish I could be a fly on the wall for the kiss and makeup session (no pun intended) Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Madimetsha the erection is fake as hair extension, you see women wear hair extensions to get volume and give impression that they have fuller/longer hair, men take pills to give themselves a fake erection. All that I am saying is that all is fair in love and war, this fake war each of us indulge in every now and then, so Zuma has no business telling women not to fake it when all his wives wear fake hairs with exception of Makhumalo whom I respect. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Low self esteem is dangerous, Happy New Year Somaar Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
oldlady12
madimetsha, maybe what you're missing is each looking after his own. A dog owner won't put his dog in the front, and his own child on the back. I might put my dog in the front of a bakkie, so he doesn't get wet, but then again, I won't put the unknown human on the back. I simply won't give him a lift at all, then he can't complain about where I choose to put my animals. Did you hear JZ's speech to say he was misquoted? I sincerely hope that is the case, because I'd hate to think the prez of our country can be as idiotic as this.
Now, would a dog be your own kind? can we then conclude all whites are dogs, since they looking after their "own kind" ? you mention they would not put their children, exactly the president point, humans are humans, irrespective of whether it is yoru child or not....cant wait for Mandela to die, then the real revolution will begin....people are saying Zuma is an idiot, this is normally a tag attached to opinions not similar to oours, it has nothing to do with ones ability to think, I learned.
i agree with Shower Boy on this one! some people are so fake(i.e. make-up, fake hair etc) thats it is so disgusting!!! when she wakes up in the morning its like another person..sies!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsKink do you really think that the ancwl incl sisule and mankonyane are allowed to have an opinion by inkunzi (Zuma), coming to think about it, its not the first time this chauvinist has made insulting remarks against women, but then I am not surprised cause Zuma showed himself on the Khwezi night that he is vile animal. So nothing he says to denegrate women surprises me about him. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way.
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Oldie you're trying to robbe me,if you cut your hair short it stays the same ,our sisters today they make hair implant because when extend your hair where the natural one ends you can see and where the plastic one starts you can even seen.
Honetsly speaking poeple are like regretting who they're.
Personally I care more about my 3 dogs than I care for a lot of people out there, I feel sorry for people who does not have dogs, dogs give you love that no other animal or people can give you, one can learn a lot from dogs, I think it is time this so called president gets himself a little jack russel or a boerboel. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
MommaC
MorenaWaPolelo
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So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ?
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Momma perhaps if you understood Zulu or Sotho you would understands when a person is saying do not treat your pets better than people...he is simply stressing that we should be kind hearted to fellow human beings....Momma you can take you pet to the vet and wear clothing is fine but you cant take your pet to the vet and tell your garden boy to go and die when he is sick can you? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Solutions I don't know why you would wish that on poor dogs, can you imagine what is it is like to be owned by this irresponsible person, his family survives on handouts, the dogs would starve to death, please be nice to poor animals for they have done nothing to deserve to be owned by this creep. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@somaartakeit
@Madimetsha the erection is fake as hair extension, you see women wear hair extensions to get volume and give impression that they have fuller/longer hair, men take pills to give themselves a fake erection. All that I am saying is that all is fair in love and war, this fake war each of us indulge in every now and then, so Zuma has no business telling women not to fake it when all his wives wear fake hairs with exception of Makhumalo whom I respect.
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you are missing the point, extensions are about image which is believed to be superior to that of your own.which means you want to look like people who were born with straight and longer hair,....it has nothing to do with showing a fuller hair or whatever that is suppose to mean..why cant they wear one that looks exactly like African hair, why must it always be straightened out?..I never spoke about make-up, which I personally hate. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo
MommaC
MorenaWaPolelo
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So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ?
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Momma perhaps if you understood Zulu or Sotho you would understands when a person is saying do not treat your pets better than people...he is simply stressing that we should be kind hearted to fellow human beings....
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So which part of humanity on Zuma's part for taking millions of poor SAns money and build himself a mansion with a bunker? which part of humanity is this? Zuma is a hypocrit of note, and for his information whites in general do more for hte poor, even with teh aids epidemic it was down to the european/american donors its thanks to them that many ppl in SA are alive today, were it left to the anc, everyone wld have been beetroot-garlicked to his/her early graves. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Madimetsha, in our attempt to be accepted by the people we look up to we end up compromising ourselves, I think you have made yourself clear enough but certain people will end up insulting you for stating your point so clearly they busy monopolizing intelligence. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Madimentsha, same applies to the artificially enhanced erection which man spends millions on.
You fake erection I will fake my hair, okay! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
MorenaWaPolelo
So people who take their dogs to the vet are nasty and tell the gardener to 'go die'?
I hate to burst your bubble but people who are nasty to animals are usually psychopaths who are going to be nasty to humans too. Looking after an animal is not a 'white' thing, it is a universal thing. Most black people that I know are good to their animals and to humans. Same goes for most of the white folk I know. Taking your damn dog to the vet is hardly a sign that you have no feelings for your gardener! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
SOLUTIONS
somaartakeit
@Solutions I don't know why you would wish that on poor dogs, can you imagine what is it is like to be owned by this irresponsible person, his family survives on handouts, the dogs would starve to death, please be nice to poor animals for they have done nothing to deserve to be owned by this creep.
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True, I did not re-read what I typed, Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MC sadly true what you said to MorenaWapolelo, apparently one of Australia's most feared psychopath used to abuse animals when that was not enough he moved on to abuse humans young girls and women till the police there put a stop his vile actions, Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit
What your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Zimzalabam1
@oldlady
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way
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I agree - women should decide what they want to look like,one of the few rights that are still there for them to enjoy.What next mr Pres you will be telling us that we should not walk,dress,chew and drink a certain way beacuse it will be seen as wanting to be white,
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Zim I'm also agaisnt what that takes african woman's beauty,what can you call someone who bleached her natural colour and implanted indian/white hair if you dont know that her colour was brown(african),will you still recognise that she's an african girl?
Our dignity goes with our look Zim and the way we do things,whoever who does crime when appeares he's a thug. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
Its like living in an alternate universe. I have NEVER in all my life heard someone suggest that people who are negligent to animals is a 'humanitarian'. It has always been the opposite argument! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
why do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after them Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
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MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit
What your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!!
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Did you say this because the truth hurts? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
MommaC
Perhaps you do not understand my point, I never said any of the things you mentioned your are jumping into conclusions dear... Anyway lets agree to disagree thanks for the debate!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
sekhebereshe
@madimetsha
why do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after them
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i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death...
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem with AFrican men like you you think you should be prescribing what an African woman should do or not do, just who appointed men like you to be speaking and deciding what's right or wrong ito our dress code and vanity? You should respect the fact that in this century women have a right to do as they please with their bodies be it to bleach it, to hair extension or to live everything organic, you or Zuma have no say nor influence in the matter, your dignity should not be sustained at expense of suppressing women's choices in this continent,.
@Morenawapolelo, so its hating men when one points out that they are also as capable of FAKING it? even zuma wears make up on his tv appearances, his comments about makeup and vanity makes him a hypocrit, that want to continue to suppress women's choices. This creature please must ONLY speak state that he is speaking for ancwl not every woman in this country, for some of us don't wanna be lectured by an idiot like him for someone of us don't care about his opinions. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
madimetsha
"He claimed that spending money on buying a dog, taking it to the vet and for walks belonged to white culture and was not the African way."
...... which part of that sentence do you agree with? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@sekhebereshe
@madimetsha
"i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death... " not only are the animals in the township lay bleeding and rejected the township children are more prone to be treated in such barbaric manner, which is why many believe that if you are cruel to animals you are more than likely to be cruel to humans. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
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What your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!!
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No because those are erelevant facts!!!to this article!!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@sekhebereshe
@madimetsha
why do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after them
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i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death...
True that, however my statement was general, same wth whites some of them do abuse their animals , 90% of abused animals at SPCA were actaully owned by whites before........ Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
@ Madimetsha, lol the aim is to confuse you and make you loose track of your point, it is done deliberately. lol Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus.
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Kakkakakkakkakkakkakakkakaka.lol Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@MommaC
madimetsha
"He claimed that spending money on buying a dog, taking it to the vet and for walks belonged to white culture and was not the African way."
...... which part of that sentence do you agree with?
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we dont buy our dogs, we give them for free, we always had land dogs walked wherever they pleasse, no need to walk them, there were no vets in Africa.
Soccer is not a Southern African sport. You mess with our beauty salons and we WILL mess with your soccer. Be warned! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
sekhebereshe
@madimetsha
True that, however my statement was general, same wth whites some of them do abuse their animals , 90% of abused animals at SPCA were actaully owned by whites before........
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yaa true madimetsa you are right my brother..and i even heard white can even get s*xual with their pets...i would rather stone that thing than to let it do me.
@Madimetsha just cuz you don't 'buy your dogs' you give them for free is it wrong for those who chose to breed and sell them? of course there is a need to walk your dog, cause you build a relationship and help it with its exercise especially if you work during the day the dog is home alone and desponded, this is a way to give it reassurance and build its confidence, there's a lot that you need to learn about pets and relationship with their masters. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit
@Morenawapolelo, so its hating men when one points out that they are also as capable of FAKING it? even zuma wears make up on his tv appearances, his comments about makeup and vanity makes him a hypocrit, that want to continue to suppress women's choices. This creature please must ONLY speak state that he is speaking for ancwl not every woman in this country, for some of us don't wanna be lectured by an idiot like him for someone of us don't care about his opinions.
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Sir no one is forcing you to read the article or lestin to your president or read his speaches this idiot will be opening the parly next year, he will be campaigning next, he will asking for your vote next year, he will be representing you in UN next year, he will be making pronouncements on major issues next year, he will be interviewed on TV next year, he will be defending nKandla gate next year ect ect...So it seems you are going to have one unhappy year because the man is your president and he will remain so for a year or so or even for the next six years....your are in trouble Sir!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Phuphethakatha
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
You're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats.
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That's incorrect. Hair straightening and skin enlightening was done by African women centuries ago. In the entire Eastern Cape (Pondoland, Bomvana, etc) they used red ochre to enlighten their skin and cow dung to make dreadlocks (Bomvana people), and a hot stone plus animal fat to straighten hair. That dates back before the first ship wrecks along the wild coast (Stevanesse, Grosvener etc). Blacks just abandoned their traditional ochre and animal fat for new products white introduced. That's not "copycat"ing. The danger here is lack of knowledge acquired from education. Zuma is not an individual who knows a lot, nor is he educated... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Zimzalabam1
it was the annual commemoration of the induction of Inkosi Sibongiseni Zuma – I dont know him,but im sure that the Pres was way off the mark as usual.You have to admire his chameleon tendencies cause i think that if he had an audience if feminist who are more it the urban areas he would have said the total opposite.He changes his tune based on audience and he tells you want you want to hear -that can go both ways.
There were no townhouses in Africa back then or cures for tick bite fever or pure-breed dogs or plumbing or electricity or highways or mielies or grenadellas or ...... you get the picture.
You want to go back to living like they did in 1212 then, by all means, go find yourself a patch of land and become a hermit Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit
@Morenawapolelo,
Sir no one is forcing you to read the article or lestin to your president or read his speaches this idiot will be opening the parly next year, he will be campaigning next, he will asking for your vote next year, he will be representing you in UN next year, he will be making pronouncements on major issues next year, he will be interviewed on TV next year, he will be defending nKandla gate next year ect ect...So it seems you are going to have one unhappy year because the man is your president and he will remain so for a year or so or even for the next six years....your are in trouble Sir!!
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which part of the comment you responded to which suggests (in your opinion) that I was forced or feel forced to read this article by a bumbling foolish SAn president? more than I am settign him right from his deluded thinking his views are representative of all Africans, Zuma is an African shame, all Africans I meet in my travels abroad, are shocked that he is the president, imagine how shocked they will be when they realised that that this fool that can't even read is telling the world what his version of an African is? Or what an African beauty should be? All this against the backdrop of him surrounded by fake haired, skin lightened females in his own family?
@Phuphethakatha, wow its true what you say, but I don't agree that blacks abundoned their products for 'white produced' one more than ppl move on to use IMPROVED and considered 'SAFER' products, all this should not be a debating point if this president something beneficial to this country to say or do, surprisingly the Queen of England gave Christmas speech to her ppl, she congratulated the ppl responsible to plan stage Olympic games, she congratulated athletes, they also announced officially that they are expecting a new addition to the royal family, all this to try rally positivity/national pride to her ppl, what does our president do? speaks about koetjies and kalfjes just like twaddle twaddle that he is. How can I respect it after this and so m any foolish remarks he made in public? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeit
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem with AFrican men like you you think you should be prescribing what an African woman should do or not do, just who appointed men like you to be speaking and deciding what's right or wrong ito our dress code and vanity? You should respect the fact that in this century women have a right to do as they please with their bodies be it to bleach it, to hair extension or to live everything organic, you or Zuma have no say nor influence in the matter, your dignity should not be sustained at expense of suppressing women's choices in this continent,.
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Aaaaah listen to today men,dont you know young man that if you dont know what is right for african wom@n she'll leave you and if you let her do as she pleases she wont look you as a man.
But you must be dependable and trustworthy to build her if you're not she wont listen to you ,these young ladies do that to impress you young men since you've failed long ago to tell them how beautiful they're in such nature look.
You young men of today think material things make a man,no you wrong,that's what make these young ladies go for such material stuff trying just to call these words"you're beautiful".
I blame people like you Somaar,who knows may be 50 to 100 years to come there'll be no real men in African.
We're not chosing them what they must do and what they musnt,we make them feela lile natural women not copycats because they want to please as "no",a real man dont do such young man.
somaartakeit
So you even discus your president when you travel abroad, I mut say this is serious Sir....all I can say to you is that do not hate the man, your views are factual and very personal and I think is a waist of time for one to alter their heart beat over Zuma...I dont discuss Zuma when Im abroad I tell them is a waist of time and air but if you feel you have to approach this your way goodluck but all I can tell you is that your are waisting your time Sir...I said this before Mangaung and Im saying this to you now hatred is propeling the man!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
the problem with African men like you is that you are insecure, your culture is insecure that's why it needs to oppress African girl child in order for you lot to feel masculinity, this behaviour makes others believe that you are inferior group of males in the animal kingdom, and your behavior towards women and children serves to solidify this belief, look now in Swaziland, those cavemen there blame rape victims dress code for actions of the perverts in that country, do you see why many think you guys live in a stoneage? Do you understand why the world has no respect or take you serious? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Phuphethakatha
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
You're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats.
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That's incorrect. Hair straightening and skin enlightening was done by African women centuries ago. In the entire Eastern Cape (Pondoland, Bomvana, etc) they used red ochre to enlighten their skin and cow dung to make dreadlocks (Bomvana people), and a hot stone plus animal fat to straighten hair. That dates back before the first ship wrecks along the wild coast (Stevanesse, Grosvener etc). Blacks just abandoned their traditional ochre and animal fat for new products white introduced. That's not "copycat"ing. The danger here is lack of knowledge acquired from education. Zuma is not an individual who knows a lot, nor is he educated...
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There's difference between colour bleaching and skin lightening Boss,to lightening your skin doesnt change your look you still look african but to bleach you look totally different.
Stop lies wena maan eish this kid.
@MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit
So you even discus your president when you travel abroad, I mut say this is serious Sir....all I can say to you is that do not hate the man, your views are factual and very personal and I think is a waist of time for one to alter their heart beat over Zuma...I dont discuss Zuma when Im abroad I tell them is a waist of time and air but if you feel you have to approach this your way goodluck but all I can tell you is that your are waisting your time Sir...I said this before Mangaung and Im saying this to you now hatred is propeling the man!!
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Why would I discuss a foolish president, more than as soon as ppl who understand my views and value my opinion esp on gender issues, upon finding out I am from SA they ask me about Zuma in the same way they do to all SAns abroad, I just confirm what they already know about him that he is unedcuated and is not able to lead and that SA is going through a leadership vacuum right now. Some Africans can identify with this cause they tell me that what we are going through now is what they went through in their own countries before total economic or social discourse collapsation, they feel sad cause they had hoped that we could learn frm their mistakes and not repeat them and continue to confirm stereotype about Africa not having capable and effective leadership. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MSG_S
Though I may agree with what he says, but the bus will have to stop with the parents. Not Zuma. It becomes a noise not the talk when he utters something because sane people dont believe anything he says. He is always lying. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
and btw its not HATRED as you suggest that is propelling Zuma is CORRUPTION and having enough blackmailing material to blackmail his peers into submitting presidency to him even though they know he is not FIT, but they can't say this cause they are themselves corrupt, like Juju if they speak up Zuma will set Hawks on them to investigate their family funds, cause all of their funds are acquired in a corrupt manner, which strengthens Zuma's blackmailing material against his corrupt peers. That is why I said the other day, regime change is about the ONLY saving grace for SA from this corruption cesspool the anc has reduced our country into. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Chizozo
Hahaha you people like to critise even something that is commonly clear.If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on?Besides that we blacks we alwayz do not accept the truth.What Zuma said is happening and is real. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeit
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
the problem with African men like you is that you are insecure, your culture is insecure that's why it needs to oppress African girl child in order for you lot to feel masculinity, this behaviour makes others believe that you are inferior group of males in the animal kingdom, and your behavior towards women and children serves to solidify this belief, look now in Swaziland, those cavemen there blame rape victims dress code for actions of the perverts in that country, do you see why many think you guys live in a stoneage? Do you understand why the world has no respect or take you serious?
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Somaar everyone knows that we started experiencing these bad things since we've people like you who knw better,who look down to who they're.
There were such things or we can say they were infrequent women and children were living with love and peace,if you've been raised by african men not your mom young man there's no one who knows respect like,with love and caring like you.But since too much educated people like you dominate in African they we've started to see and hear about all these bad things,there' were ways of reprimanding men who have done bad to their wives or even their children but today since we have people like you African men never cared for their wives and children per your knowledge.
Who knows maybe you've be raised by your momo or your father've been raised by his mom,so if you're raised by mom how could you know men qualities,you wont young man. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
Chizozo
I have no clue what silly stories you believe but adult women of any racial group don't have a natural 'brazillian' - it is all good old fashioned waxing. Report Abuse
After warning that black South Africans were losing respect for tribal chiefs by becoming “too clever”, President Jacob Zuma has vowed to fight cleverness in all its forms. “I will not rest on my leopard tails until I have rid myself, my family, the ANC and all South Africa of cleverness,” he said, before retreating to his intellect-proof bunker in Nkandla.
Zuma stunned South Africa on the weekend by telling traditional chiefs in Parliament that some blacks were getting “too clever”, apparently not a reference to his education policies, which have made a total of zero South Africans more clever.
This morning South Africa’s clever blacks reacted with shock and disgust, saying that they were embarrassed to be represented to the world by a man “who makes Mitt Romney look like a radical feminist intellectual”.
However, Zuma has defended his statements, saying that cleverness was a major threat to democracy in South Africa.
“Cleverness puts ideas in people’s heads, and before you know it they are asking where their tax money goes, and then you have anarchy,” said Zuma.
He urged black citizens to be on the lookout for the first symptoms of cleverness in their communities.
“It starts with a creeping suspicion that Late Iron Age customs might not be appropriate for the 21st Century,” explained Zuma. “It then escalates until your children are forming their own opinions, instead of asking their local chief to form them.”
Meanwhile, Zuma has defended the large crowd of ANC supporters that kept a DA march away from his Nkandla compound on the weekend.
“We salute those brave cadres who are ready to lay down their lives to prevent cleverness from reaching our modest home,” he said, adding that he was not angry but instead pitied Helen Zille.
“Deep down, in her woman’s heart, Helen knows that she should have been at home, warming her husband’s slippers, instead of marching,” he said. “It is so sad that instead of being true to her purpose in life, that is, becoming the fourth wife of a man, having babies, and then becoming invisible, she has chosen to learn how to read and in so doing, becoming terminally infected with cleverness.”
He said that it was “tragically inevitable” that clever blacks would gravitate towards her, “because they also like wearing jeans and doing similarly provocative things to flaunt their cleverness, like thinking”.
But, he said, he and the ANC would triumph. “Non-cleverness shall prevail! Liberation before contemplation! Riches before reason! Thuggery before thought! Amandla!” Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
JZ is right and if his wives and children do such it doesnt mean he's no right to have a word about it. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Katakata....
btw like MOST AFRICAN black children I was raised by mom as my sp*rm donating father was out to do what he and many like him do best, ie donating his sp*rm and taking no responsibility!!
I must say though most African women did a pretty damn good job in raising kids in the circumstances they find themselves in, and they didn't complaining about apartheid or anything they just go on with it, whilst black males such as yourself and a certain memela who is writing for M&G are using apartheid excuse as a security blanket to hide their being most inept male species in the world, whose main hobbies revolve around 'correcting lesbians', telling women how they should wear their hairstyles, and collecting them in teh harems all this happening in the 21st century, whilst hte rest of the world is discovering life saving science inventions, ow man, I cry for my continent *crying*
If I may ask,How many coloured,indians and White ladies you ever met having extensions?and out of 100 blacks in a township how many have you met walking the dog for peering? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Solutions man, you made my day, I am on stitches right now, did this president really say these things? I have not been reading SAn news online for quite sometime now, lol did he really say there are 'clever blacks'? if he said these things then it stands to explain why him and his pals made a mess of SAn education system especially township schools where majority black children attend, he wants to delete cleverness potential, its so sad man, its really sad. its even more sad that there are black ppl who are defending this destructive force. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Folondishi
Chizozo
Hahaha you people like to critise even something that is commonly clear.If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on?Besides that we blacks we alwayz do not accept the truth.What Zuma said is happening and is real.
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@ Chizozo
If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on? What? Hair extensions are not white and Brazilians are not white either though the extension might have been manufactured and designed by whites just like your under pants, condoms,etc. Based on your boring and senseless comment, I guess you are a product of Angie Motshega and Limpopo's failed education system. Did you pass your standard 2? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Our African ladies are doomed that's all. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Chizozo
MommaC
If I may ask,How many coloured,indians and White ladies you ever met having extensions?and out of 100 blacks in a township how many have you met walking the dog for peering?
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you don't know much about women and their vanity tendencies do you? a lot of women wear extensions esp the ones in the entertainment business, you probably think that the wig won by PJ powers is her natural hair? or you think the wig that Tina Turner wears is her natural hair, I feel sorry for men like you who don't know much about women but always comment on women issues just to confirm to everyone how little you know about women. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Somehow I agree with JZ. If you are blessed to be born black, why try and change it?? There is nothing as pure as a black skin. If you born white, when you ill, you turn blue, when you cheating you turn red, when you vomit you turn green and when you die you turn grey. But black skin stays the same. So why change it?? My woman is white and she's jealous of my black skin Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
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lol, that is a bit of an exaggeration, but yes, he did talk about clever blacks, I remember this article from about 2 weeks ago, just google "zuma and clever blacks" it is the 3rd website on the google pages. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeit
Katakata....
btw like MOST AFRICAN black children I was raised by mom as my sp*rm donating father was out to do what he and many like him do best, ie donating his sp*rm and taking no responsibility!!
I must say though most African women did a pretty damn good job in raising kids in the circumstances they find themselves in, and they didn't complaining about apartheid or anything they just go on with it, whilst black males such as yourself and a certain memela who is writing for M&G are using apartheid excuse as a security blanket to hide their being most inept male species in the world, whose main hobbies revolve around 'correcting lesbians', telling women how they should wear their hairstyles, and collecting them in teh harems all this happening in the 21st century, whilst hte rest of the world is discovering life saving science inventions, ow man, I cry for my continent *crying*
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21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar.
skwamasamabele
Somehow I agree with JZ. If you are blessed to be born black, why try and change it??
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So if you are blessed to have a small penis why do you try and change it by using viagra or having enlargement? what's good for the goose is good for the gander my friend. men like you and zuma should not come here argue about what is fake or not, as for zuma his whole existance is fake, he is a fake that is living on the mercy of others, I was reading prior to Xmas how Shaik gave him a 2mil to take care of his kids, what is responsibility in this world really, why does he make kids that he can't afford their upkeep? does he think being a sp*rm donor is about the main thing of being a man? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Uncompromising
If my facts are correct, Zuma has a white son-in-law. What is the poor oke thinking of "daddy" now and the fact that he might have multi-racial grandkids one day. I can see him laughing and saying "ilwane lezi". Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Folondishi
@skwamasamabele - You are not making sense, you and your president. Our women will never be white and they don't want to be white. Since when taking care of yourself have been associated with white? You white woman chose you only to make you a garden boy or a pet chimpanzeeeeeeeee! Ask her to turn your sisters white so that i can marry into your family and we can all be "white" and enjoy a white Christmas next year. you Zooooma A$$.
@Uncompromising, its news to me that Zuma has a white son in law, no that there is anything wrong with that, and if that is true it also shows that not only is his IQ room temperature he has zero emotional intelligence a prerequisite for one to be a leader be it cultural leader or professional leader. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@SOLUTIONS
somaartakeit
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lol, that is a bit of an exaggeration, but yes, he did talk about clever blacks, I remember this article from about 2 weeks ago, just google "zuma and clever blacks" it is the 3rd website on the google pages.
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Tjo I shall do this...just when I thought he can not get more stupid he just manages to raise stupidity bar.
I understand that now Cyril is goign to be his deputy? I don't envy him cause can you imagine having work shoulder to shoulder with this dumb@ss day after day? but then if you are in the anc you really have to grow a thick skin, to match your thick brains. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
yi K.u.ku ke ngoku le i thethwa ngu Zuma... yazi, I was in a Festive Spirit, telling myself to support him for the sake of the Country's progress.... What does Straightning Hair, Face Creams have to do with you, nja ye Nkwenkwe ??
Fondoloshi- Since when is applying skin burning lotions make a woman beautiful?? muppet. You are not worthy to marry my sisters, concentrate on taking your ARVs
Sommartakeit- Trust you to lower the tone. Black is beautiful. You mentioning penises (irrelevance), could it being you haven't seen one in ages?? Why dont you try those skin burning lotions yourself?? I was referring to change of skin tones, Ms clever-clogs. Perhaps reading is not one of your strongest points Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
Chizozo
I don't know any Indian ladies with extensions but I do know quite a few who perm their hair to curl it. Quite a few of the young white women I know have hair extensions - some are just clip in extensions but a some are the ones that are waxed/glued to their hair.
I don't live in a township, I live in a suburb. Quite a few of our neighbours (all colours) take their dogs for a walk in the evening or on the weekend. It isn't so they can go peee (we all have gardens) but it is so they aren't bored and bark all the time. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
I agree with 2-head on the advise to stop taking family issues to religious leaders because there are many fake preachers out there. I suppose msholozi burnt his fingers when he consulted bishop Zondo!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka please don't glorify him by calling him k*k* ku*ku has proven over the years that it has more value and use, zuma is a total waste of space and an indictment to this country. his views about women are a direct result of him being caveman such caveman tendencies manifests in his behaviour and the way he speak to and about women. I would feel ashamed to his daughter, lastly, I am glad that he is saying this publicly, so that women have no excuse to vote for this barbarian cause we are all in the clear what he thinks iro gender equality. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
1Mhlonitjhwa
Well said Mr JZ, our ladies are tryng so hard to look like certain people. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Naaiman
The idiotic president thinks setting aside a day will undo the damage inflicted on the African woman by the western media for 365 days.Dumb double head every day should be allotted to building the confidence of our wives/ girlfriends and daughters that nothing is as beautiful as an African woman with her natural looks. You'd be better served though if you can start with Nomvula Mokonyane and the ugly Angie Motshega to dump their weaves and fake hair. Then flight them on your propaganda SABC television channels as an example of what African beauty is. Your battle will be half way won. On second thought, don't use Angies image that would undo what has to be achieved. I don't think there is any young woman who would like to look like Blade Ndzimande. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.
@Kusheshe
I agree with 2-head on the advise to stop taking family issues to religious leaders because there are many fake preachers out there. I suppose msholozi burnt his fingers when he consulted bishop Zondo!!
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As a matter of fact, Zuma is a pastor he was ordained the I think before he became or in the first couple of months in presidency, what does this say about him as a religious leader? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
I presume all the men here, who are agreeing with this foolishness, have full beards and have never had a haircut in their lives ? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
Zuma is just a plain old i.di.ot...... no words 2 describe, this Boy !!!
MissBhakajuju-1 Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.
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Insulting YOUR president would get you no-where. as far as you and other idiots on this commentary, JZ has no rigth to express his views, irrespective of whether they suit your 'holier-than-thou' views, or not. Freedom of speech is enshrined in our CONSTITUTION. Live with it, or go and make Malema babies in Zim
I presume all the men here, who are agreeing with this foolishness, have full beards and have never had a haircut in their lives ?
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fortunately they are a handful so the SAn gender equality desk and feminist in SA must be doing fantastic job to breakthrough these chauvinistic mentalities.
@Skwamasabele whilst we respect freedom of speech zuma need to learn and respect gender equality and freedoms associated with such one of which being choice, a woman has a right to chose whether to skin lighten or put fake hairs, above all he must not preach to us, he should talk to the females in his family who all seem to be faked hair and skin bleached his opinion maybe counts to them not to the rest of us. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
@ skwamasamabele
hamba uyofunxa i pinca yakhe, sdenge ndini !!! no one said he should not talk, but YOUR double headed Prez, is always commenting on petty issues, I know he's plain s.t.u.pid... but as for the Creams & Hair, He should leave that for Shwashwi Column, Kuli Roberts etc...
He is the President of our country. He has not got the same right to freedom of speech that we do. If I make a bad statement, it is MY opinion. If the President makes a statement then it is on behalf of the entire country. If he doesn't want that kind of responsibility then he shouldn't have accepted the position. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
@somaartakeit! Waitse you are right! I totally forgot te man was ordained by charismatic pastors and laid hands on by ray McCauley! If I remember correctly the bible warns not to lay hands on anyone for the sake of laying hands! I think Paul told timothy in the new testament! I wonder eat Kenneth Meshoe would say about this cos I've never heard that man rebuke his fellow pastors who are in media for all the wrong reasons! So za is renouncing his spiritual office!! Well, good for him.... Religious leaders are no better, no different and certainly the pulpit doesn't deserve their presence. But I bet you come 2014, you'll see how many churches will be vying for pastor zuma's presence at their church to win elections... Mcccm!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Some people must accept that they still growing so they wont understand these things that's all. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Miss.Realistic
I can't believe this ignorant person actually said these things. Since when does it mean that if a woman wanted to take care of herself and her body and make herself attractive, she wants to be white? Since when is it "not right" for a woman to be single? Since when is owning a pet, loving it and taking care of it is not in a black man's culture? They say you can tell the heart of a man by the way he treats his animals. I find this speech reeks of double standards,racism and a slap in the face of women everywhere. Please tell us, Mr Zuma if you abhor the white culture so much, why are you living the life? Why don't you go back to your African culture and African roots and don your animal skins. Give your fancy cars and mansions to your brothers who appreciate advancement in life and go back to your mud hut and donkey cart. Give your cellphones, laptops and all your technology to the young generation of Africans who are not living in the past and move on. Remember, wheelchairs and lawnmowers are also part of this evil white culture. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MissBhakajuju-1
Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.
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Hm!
RE MATHATENG SHEM.. another term.. this man is a tru symbol of stupidity.. JUJU was right..O DOM Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Kusheshe, the only ppl who are supporting Zuma have same values, morals as him, McCauley is white version of Zuma, thankfully for white SAns they are not religiously indoctrinated ie they don't need/use church as much as black folk do so they can completely cut off any association or influence of ppl like McCauley in their communities. Unfortunately for majority of us as we are indoctrinated into believing that we should question authority even when that authority doesn't bother to disguise his being devious, such as that mboro person and pastor Zuma here,it is only us black ppl who can call these ppl leaders and even spiritual leaders I put that down to indoctrination of not questioning authority, authority which is manipulated and abuse to our disadvantage. Anyway worse is still to come, as the post Manguang pirates are now set to silence the voice of the youth, Zuma said the youth will be dealt with, I wonder who is next on the line after they successfully silence the youth or re-indoctrinate and brainwashed them into surrendering their future to them for squandermentation. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
sabzero12
Just because you don’t like the guy doesn’t mean everything he says is wrong, if you look at his daughters they have natural hair and they look beautiful ekseni , emini nantambama. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
1Mhlonitjhwa
Some people are plain stupidd, how come u say Zuma is not your Pres. bt at the same time you call yourself a proudly SAn? And you even dance to his tunes like e.toll and other things? Nxa, ubuthingithingi bunengi lakuSowetan yaz. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
gops
Bring on the 2014 Nationals Polls. Every time the Showerman say something I feel like vomiting. The man is scared to face trial. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
@ somaartakeit
hey lala... uyitye kamnandi phofu i Christmas sana lwam ?? Ngaphandle nje, kweli sende lingu zuma, li nya ngomlomo... uyakundi xolela wethu, ngangentlamba ezi... lo tata sisi menqe maan !!! LOL
@NubianQueen, did you not know that Zuma will always remove competition as he sees it as threat? We used to think that Juju was not smart but Zuma superceeds that, he has to outdo everyone in everything NEGATIVE within the anc, even there was corruption under both Madiba and TM, but both leaders were not behaving as if its a normal thing to be corrupt, ie they were not arrogant about being corrupt and demanded respect for being corrupt in fact they never stand on the podium and demanded respect from their subjects. When critics were leveled at them they took them on their stride in TM's case he sought to make his views know to all by his weekly writing on that news letter published on anc's website, Madiba was humble, everyone felt they had to give him respect on the basis of his humbleness,uZuma is just an arrogant corrupt fool who is always putting his spokesperson in conflict with the public as he has to clarify his BS comments, I don't think which is most offensive ie, his singing or comments.../ Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
"21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar."
This man is on form today. Thankyou. A thing to consider is that since 1800, and especially in the last 40 years, the world's population has grown huge, and the days of my culture, his culture are coming to an end rapidly.
The thing of the media, is that they will take things entirely out of context and the mood that it was said in, twist it, and then print something that has no relationship to what was said. On the other hand Zuma is like a chameleon who says different things to different audiences (to keep a fragile country together), but the downside of this is that we are directionless. That makes people unhappy. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka hallo my African princess:-) eyam ibimnandi nyani quite but great, I wish you the best new year ever, sucaphuka gqithi ngulozuma ndini cause kuzoba easy ukuphuma esporweni and its not worth it sana:-) wena stick to the facts publicly known, dont' give him reasons to instruct Sowetan to close down this forum by insulting him, I hope uya understander what I am trying to say:-) Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
MommaC- Its alright for you, you are not a victim of corporate mentality (skin enlightning companies). These companies are preying on vulnerable women, and ruin their appearences. I saw what these creams do to women when I was growing up in Soweto. Whatever, JZ's comments may be of public interest, he still has a right to voice his opinions, he is our first Citizen.
MissBhakajuju-1 hamba uyofunxa i pinca yakhe.
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Your profession is not public interest, try and keep it private.
Sommartakeit- You are one reason why SA is such a vindictive society. Most of the time you try and convince anyone who cares to listen about your convictions. Next thing you'd be calling for JZ to be shot because of his warped views. nc nc nc!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Folondishi
skwamasamabele
Fondoloshi- Since when is applying skin burning lotions make a woman beautiful?? muppet. You are not worthy to marry my sisters, concentrate on taking your ARVs
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@ skwamasamabele - Thanks I don't necessarily have to. I'll take a shower instead. Now i get it, is that what you tell your white chick about us blacks? that you are the only black who is not on ARVs and that the rest of us are immoral? No wonder you sing the same tune like your shower head prez. You are a disgrace to the black community and you deserve to be bleached.
skwamasamabele
Freedom of speech and freedom of choice (within reasonable prescribed laws) go together. Hopefully most people respect those freedom for others. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
skwamasamabele
Sommartakeit- You are one reason why SA is such a vindictive society. Most of the time you try and convince anyone who cares to listen about your convictions. Next thing you'd be calling for JZ to be shot because of his warped views.
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Tjo thanks man I didn't know if I had such power and influence lol Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
@ somaartakeit
Next in line and I kid you not, it's affirmative action! I foresee zuma's call for women to stay at home and be dutiful mothers and wives. I predict he may call for investments in eskamel as a preferred facial cream! Guptas may even see an opportunity there to bring Indian manufactured primer stoves for households. Zuma's is taking us to cavemen days!! Very soon he'll start saying virgins must surrender their virginity to their fathers! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
skwamasamabele
I honestly don't think that skin lightening creams should be available without a prescription. They are very harmful. Having said that, there are women all over the world who have skin lightening done in beauty salons (in some of the most unusual places!). That doesn't explain why hair extensions should be villified Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
@ somaartakeit
great news my darling.... uyandicaphukisa maan, after all S.A has been through, the Tears zo Mama, no Tata bethu, for i Freedom.... after good Governance by Mabiba & Zizi, now he always makes sure 2 focus on issues that won't even build one single person, let alone the country.... thanx 4 the advice, nono I always try 2 contain myself, but nje ezinye izinto haykhona.... thats why I don't like reading articles with his name on, its always destined for dissapointment 2 MY Country S.A...
Somaar still going on?? mama mia, bathathe somaar bathathe, nangulona, hayibona, wama yekelúsbora thina siyayhlokoloza Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Kusheshe I for one stopped taking anc serious when they carried out a bloodless coup without due care to the stability of the country economy and otherwise and present us this dumbo as a president whose only claim to presidency is abusing his blackmailing material against his peers incl Madiba to become president, we must never forget how he told anc leaders (Madiba was still active at the time) that if goes to jail (for armdeal scandal) he will take the whole lot down with him, immediately after that Madiba endorsed his presidency and for that Madiba was rewarded with Winnie ministerial position and Mandla's 2 salaries as chief and minister, it goes to show that anc is an organisation of corrupt individuals who have taken our country to ransom and treating tax payers as if they were their piggy banks, question is what does Zuma have over the entire anc leadership that they succumbed after the threat about armsdealscandal, that is what I am interested to know, and how many of them are involved and how far are they involved ie did they personally benefit? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
imfene
somaartakeit
"uZuma is just an arrogant corrupt fool who is always putting his spokesperson in conflict with the public as he has to clarify his BS comments, I don't think which is most offensive ie, his singing or comments"
If he, his clan is thinking this,many are, since he knows his audiencs.
Naaiman
The idiotic president thinks setting aside a day will undo the damage inflicted on the African woman by the western media for 365 days.Dumb double head every day should be allotted to building the confidence of our wives/ girlfriends and daughters that nothing is as beautiful as an African woman with her natural looks. You'd be better served though if you can start with Nomvula Mokonyane and the ugly Angie Motshega to dump their weaves and fake hair. Then flight them on your propaganda SABC television channels as an example of what African beauty is. Your battle will be half way won. On second thought, don't use Angies image that would undo what has to be achieved. I don't think there is any young woman who would like to look like Blade Ndzimande.
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so much truth in these comment, the damage was done ages ago, setting one day aside in our attempt to correct what True Love Magazine, Top Billing continue to indoctrinate every week will demand more than just a day.
MommaC- That doesn't explain why hair extensions should be villified
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I fully agree there, even Cheryl Cole is a big fan. These creams have been banned in Europe in the 90s, as they contain a harmful chemical called Hydroqinone and some also contain traces of HCL. Its like using DDT on your face. JZ's other comments about women needing to have babies, its not only prehistoric, but also shows why most Zulu men are neanderthals (and I am Zulu as well, semi-neanderthal, though). I just cherry-pick (remember that?? lol) what he says, and discard the rest. Women are progressing and wont go back to caveman enslavement, so JZ is blowing hot air. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@imfene
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
"21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar."
This man is on form today. Thankyou. A thing to consider is that since 1800, and especially in the last 40 years, the world's population has grown huge, and the days of my culture, his culture are coming to an end rapidly.
The thing of the media, is that they will take things entirely out of context and the mood that it was said in, twist it, and then print something that has no relationship to what was said. On the other hand Zuma is like a chameleon who says different things to different audiences (to keep a fragile country together), but the downside of this is that we are directionless. That makes people unhappy.
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Ofcourse generation of today has no direction the reason they pick whatever they encounter,the only solution is seek their roots, since is very evident that they've lost them and they must try to learn about humanity of Africans.
Our humanity as Africans has nothing to do with their education/western life these two are not the same they confuse them.
"You are on form too"P
hayi kodwa Zuma, wena ubona ku right wearing animal skin ?? what about those animals who died so u can have that skin u wear each time u bring another women into ur already big family Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
When I saw madiba notes, I knew it was time to be scared as a south African. My fellow south Africans now is the best time to buy yourselves mekhukhus in zim, Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana and Zambia plus Namibia etc. since le le di clever prepare for being refugees. Instead of arriving in another country e be le squatta as foreigners, buy properties there and you can always take your last R10k with you converted into those local currencies and live as zim skhothanes! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Naaiman Zuma is not doing anything or setting aside for benefit of anyone, more than he is trying to make himself relevant, unfortunately for him he choses bad/tasteless topics which don't contribute to nation building, or like him did you think attacking white SAns about everything perceived to be wrong in black communities is going to help us with nation building? Zuma is a black version of Verwoerd is playing on the racial disharmony for his political advantage, Verwoerd used 'swaartgevaar' to keep his subjects completely under his thumb Zuma today is using witgevaar but he is not smart to make his accusations stick, instead is earning himself ridicule for being a political dumbo of this century, cause most African black women especially, laugh about him and his idiotic remarks, other african intellectuals see him as Africa's regression, they feel sad for us SAns for allowing this to happen.
BTW somebody please tell Zuma his politics are so outdated, even Americans are now adopting politics of HOPE instead of politics of fear, cause everyone now using information easily available and accessible is wondering what is that the leaders want to protect us from? and those searching hard enough they know that these leaders like Zuma pushing politics of fear (of a boogeyman/terrorists etc) are only using this to keep us distracted from what we should be asking to deliver to us as part of their mandate. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Some of the comments are funny and I am loving them, people are hellbent to defend their use of fake something something, and they think who ever dares express any dislike deserve to be stoned to death, but truth is even keeping your african hair, it gives no one any licence to be unclean while hiding behind being natural, my guess is that those who take much offence in such statement is because it hits closer to home, and they depended too much on such fake wara wara to look rather "beautiful". Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
skwamasamabele
I hope it is just hot air. If half of his ideas become reality then women are in for a tough time in SA. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MissBhakajuju-1
Laptops, Spactacles, Range Rovers, Italian Suits, Briefcases, Money, Cellphones.... all W.h.ite man's invention, who ever makes use of such & shouts about w.h.ites/b.la.ck culture this & that story, is a m.o.ron. Qha ke !!!
somaartakeit
"somebody please tell Zuma his politics are so outdated, even Americans are now adopting politics of HOPE instead of politics of fear,"
The majority of the worlds population is not there yet, and many peoples only know fear. In fact the majority of thoughts have a fear as a basis. So there is no such thing as politics of hope. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
@somaar
Zuma's hold on ANC is simply hidden in the dungeons of secrets of the struggle! Has anyone ever asked if these stalwarts underwent counseling when ANC was unbanned? Look at the divisions of ANC... How m any people have come out to say this isnt the ANC they know? And how many more are quick to descend with violence on them defending zuma? Ba tsebelana batho ba! A crocodile knows a hippo because they both live under water where no one sees what they do and they still live on land where they want to be seen in good light. Zuma and his enemies within ANC are hippos and crocodiles. I've always asked gore how was it possible for a 27 year prison confined man who came out of prison looking more frail than Oliver tambo who was fit and healthy, yet the man in prison was elected president and not Oliver tambo who marched in 1966 together with Luthuli detachment to fight against sandf, zdf. Oliver tambo marched and crossed Zambezi river with Chris Hani as commander. Next thing ANC is unbanned and the prison lot becomes an alliance against the lot that did live in exile? Walter was in prison with Mandela akere? Masisulu meanwhile formed UDF akere? Leadership ya ANC in 1994 was more UDF-robben island aligned than the exiled!! Once you start from there, you can go deep to uncover the rot of sabotage in the ANC. Then you can start asking gore ke nnete OR na lwala naa or was he poisoned so someone could take his presidency as the preferred popular statesman?? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
and btw Naaiman, here is a little gift to show and other zuma follows of politics of the 21st century and 21st century leadership ideas. Hopefully this vid will help you look out for the features suggested in the vid when you chosing leaders and most importantly what to expect from your leaders, that way we prevent possibility of president discussing women's vanity and blaming it on white ppl, instead we get leaders to focus on what leaders should be doing, ie LEAD EFFECTIVELY.
Imfene- Freedom of speech and freedom of choice (within reasonable prescribed laws) go together. Hopefully most people respect those freedom for others.
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Yes, my brother, you are right. Did you enjoy your christmas??
@Folondishi--Thanks I don't necessarily have to. I'll take a shower instead. Now i get it, is that what you tell your white chick about us blacks? that you are the only black who is not on ARVs and that the rest of us are immoral? No wonder you sing the same tune like your shower head prez. You are a disgrace to the black community and you deserve to be bleached.
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You insulted me first, neglecting the argument in hand. I give as much as I take. nothing more nothing less. She is not my white chick, She's my wife (my babies' mother)
@Kusheshe its interesting what you ask/suggest that Oliver Tambo might have been poisoned to keep him off track, cause there is a rumour that inner circles of the anc were pleased when Chris Hani was murdered cause apparently the anc was going to break away with Hani, Winnie, Mokaba forming a new party which was more militant as the Robben Islanders were seen as softies who have sold out, I imagine it must have come as a relief that awb induced guy did the killing and not them, but in as as his (Hani) ambitions were concerned he was a threat to them and we all know anc doesn't does suffer competetion gladly, also it is interesting for me that how ppl who were in exile and prison how they managed to accumulate so much wealth for themselves in such a short space of time? The plot thickens.../ Report Abuse
Mac Maharaj has just faxed that the Prseident was miss quoted and quoted out of context by the journalist.Didnt see that coming did i.........You have a difficult job Mr.Maharaj Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
btw Garanteni, most here don't care about discussions about cosmetics and hair care but what we object to is to be told by a fool like Zuma that by doing makeup and hair we are trying to be like whites when his existance is surrounded by whiteman trimmings, even his daughter from his second marriage her wedding stuff was designed overseas by a white designer in all of anc's events they used important from whiteman's countries from drinks to the suits and shoes they were, so who exactly is this man to make these remarks? if he wants to make remarks like that and expect to be taken seriously, he should relinquish the whiteman trimmings he has surrounded himself with, the merc and the bms him and his sons and wives use are white invention, the electricity in his house, the beds the fridge the glasses he uses to sip from 'Scottish Whisky' btw did you know that Scottish Whisky comes from Sottland whiteman's country? the truth of the matter Zuma like most of his black male peers aspire to be like a whiteman, cause without a whiteman's inventions to make him look superior like a INGAMLA he is NOTHING, even for sexing all of his shags he needs a whiteman viagra and a whiteman's shower to rinse himself of aids/hiv after sexing an infected person. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
YNOTY
ShowerHead's comments are idio't'ic...even a child can't make such stup'it comments. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Zimzalabam1
Mac Maharaj has just faxed that the Prseident was miss quoted and quoted out of context by the journalist.Didnt see that coming did i.........You have a difficult job Mr.Maharaj
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Maharaj is lying just like Zuma just he liked that he also benefitted from the armsdeal corruption money so I will believe the journo more than I believe Maharaj or zuma as I have to evidence that that the journo lied or lies as a way of life like Maharaj and Zuma are doing as part of their lifestyles. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
LOL, ole Jacob showing the public why he's a dumb@ss... Preaching race-unity at Mangaung, and then making stupid comments such as these...
Preaching ubuntu, as if the man himself and his cultural practises has done much to help the poor... What a hypocrite. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MommaC
Oh dear!
According to old Mac, our dear President was just trying to 'de-colonise' our minds.
Maybe he should de-tribalise and de-misogynise his own mind first! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Mzigo
Wow! Msholozi this is the kind of topics we need to debate as black,probably we'll see the light thus being unchained.
I see the topic is very touch to my fellow Africans,keep it coming Msholozi.If we can remove emotions and hatred of Zuma and look to the subject in his speech that will be the worth covered distance Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
YNOTY- People are not just critsizing JZ because on his caveman ideas. They are showing their vitriol because he is their president, and corrupt. Mangaung was a slap in the face of most of his advesaries. If he wanted to put it into a statute book, then I would have been offended. Why cant people just ignore him?? I am sure there are more pressing issues affecting women than to think about making babies (as he suggests). He is always putting his size 15 in it, but not controvesial Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
Hence we only have ourselves to blame for voting hippos and crocodiles in power. We are their pawns in this political game. We sold our souls to them hoping fora better life but unbeknown to us we enriched people's wallets!! If we don't change 2014 then we might as well call for Jesus Christ to come in 2014 if zuma and his tadpoles will be elected by ignorant south Africans. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
@Somaar finaly we agreeing on something , lets forget the fake hair, nails, beauty cream, etc debate and concentrate on his political acumen, there I wouldnt have much to offer in his defence, I personally wouldnt vote for his party, I will still decide who to vote for, plus I am enjoying the conspiracy theories you and Kusheshe are arousing, it seems there is much brewing in that "broad church". Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Kusheshe-If we don't change 2014 then we might as well call for Jesus Christ to come in 2014 if zuma and his tadpoles will be elected by ignorant south Africans.
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Well you have a longer wait than 2014 for Jesus. South Africans believe change should happen inside the NEC of the ANC to implement change. I cannot see many South Africans voting for other tin-pot parties in 2014 GE, other than the ANC. I think that idea of going to Zim and getting yourself umkhukhu might appeal to you. You should go for it, muppet, and dont come back
@Mzingo why does the president needs to use valuable time discussing hairstyles of women and their makeup preferences? is it because he has nothing better to do to advance the nation? The women to whom he is prescribe their dress-code and vanity are wives and girlfriends to other men and these men have no problem with this why is it problem for Zuma or is it because he thinks he is INKUNZI and as such is setting the stage of how females should dance to music? I don't need Zuma or any stray males to prescribe my dress-code or issues relating to vanity. That is my choice my make, its also his (which I respect) to show off his flabby tummy and wobbly legs when he is dancing in his traditional outfit which I find it to be primitive to say the least. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Mbeki_2
Eish - this shower-2heads is just saying these things so that you will all look the other way. Look at weaves and whitening creams and all the pinkies dogs and everything else BUT JUST as long as you DON''T look at Nkandlagate and the spy-tapes !!! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
1Mhlonitjhwa
Blah blah blah blah all the way as if we care about these long comments, mxm! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Garanteni if Zuma discussed issues and provide/suggest solutions do you think everyone would have opportunity to be rude towards him? If you dress down women you must expect that the feminist are going to be hard on your case, its not the first time that women in this country have to take this crap from this man, anyway I've said, we don't address his flabby stomach and wobbly legs and the annoying clicks he makes when he speaks, and the fact that he doesn't nothing gracefully as the president should, who is he to tell what is right/wrong inasfar as women vanity/dress-code goes? He should stick to discussing national discourse and putting forward plans to put this country right and help dispel the myth he created that shower rinses off aids, just maybe some of us might try to be civil towards him. But show us his racist corrupt arrogant tendencies is no way to earn our respect. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Garanteni
Good People Enjoy your evening, its been a nice debate despite the emotions and hatred towards Msholozi, nna I dont hate the man, anything can still happen in the next coming two year, CIAO. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mbeki_2
Eish - this shower-2heads is just saying these things so that you will all look the other way. Look at weaves and whitening creams and all the pinkies dogs and everything else BUT JUST as long as you DON''T look at Nkandlagate and the spy-tapes !!!
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In such few words you NAILED IT! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Somaartakeit-I don't need Zuma or any stray males to prescribe my dress-code or issues relating to vanity. That is my choice my make, its also his (which I respect) to show off his flabby tummy and wobbly legs when he is dancing in his traditional outfit which I find it to be primitive to say the least
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(LOL) One man's food is another woman's poison. Well put, though Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
@ Garanteni,
I was enlightened when reading a book umkhonto we size by thula bopela and daluxolo Luthuli... I was intrigued by its subheading; FIGHTING FOR A DIVIDED PEOPLE. it was then that I realised this ANC which people are proud to be breastfed from is a monster that we must be very afraid of. The only way we can defeat it is by voting a credible party for all races. As much as we can refer to our past history's dubulibunu moments, let's face it, do we have any alternative liberation movement that we can vote in power? I don't think so? And secondly, in this age we are living in, do we still need liberation movements? Can we honestly say there is presently a party that can represent south Africans on race, creed and language without casting aspersions of sinister tactics that we may feel its ok to ignore only to regret later? Or better yet? Are we truly ready for a multiracial party that represents our interests? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Snetch
They donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.
and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other and prefer other.... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
imfene
Snetch
"and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other "
Don't speak for others or generalise with all this supposed hate. I believe the majority don't hate. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
madimetsha
@Mzigo
Wow! Msholozi this is the kind of topics we need to debate as black,probably we'll see the light thus being unchained.
I see the topic is very touch to my fellow Africans,keep it coming Msholozi.If we can remove emotions and hatred of Zuma and look to the subject in his speech that will be the worth covered distance
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i bet my last R2-.56 that if this was said by say Nelson MAndela, it would not have received such a negative publicity, infact the hair industry would have lost a few million rands in business...............
this is about decolonising the mind of the African, which many of us are in denial, however we are still colonised, we get re-assurance of our relevance by trying to impersonate other people... Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
imfene
madimetsha
I don't believe Mr. Mandela would be speaking on this level of topic. He was a more intelligent person . Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Snetch
They donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.
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Dec 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Snetch-They donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.
and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other and prefer other....
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Whatever you've been drinking and smoking over the festive, make that a one off. You've written drivel and you run the risk of unleashing Sinudeity, SOLUTIONS and Oldlady12's wrath on all of us. Some of us are nursing ibhabhalazi. If men become extinct, everything would be gone by then. Men are responsible for all inventions, wars and poverty, they will be responsible for humankind's demise as well.
@Madimentsha to compare Zuma to Madiba is downright INSULT whilst they are (were) both leaders of this corrupt dinosour organisation, at least Madiba knew his limits, that's why he stepped down after his first term, unlike Zuma who doesn't know/understand his limits he wants to be president of SA forever by hook and crook and before you say to me that he is only going to be in office for his second term, originally he wanted to be president ONLY once but now he wants second term, so what is to say he will want ot step down after his second term? considering that he has no qualms using his blackmailing material to be president? Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
@skwama...
You are so wrong to think that ANC change in the NEC is what will make South Africa a better place for all! As it is you lit in the NEC have started plotting your downfalls. You are all sold to a spirit of sabotage. You wake up from little sleep wondering which tender to rig! Do you think adding a few names on the NEC cleans out corruption when that very new NEC is newly launched hungry hyena that's about to loot the rest of government coffers? What makes you think your NEC will make AG reports give clean bills to government departments on spending, PFMA compliance? You sound like either a hippo or a crocodile with your NEC folks. You all live under water and you know the plots you make! That is why mo botlatleng ba lona you lost potchefstroom municipality because of your plots!! That us why we will not waist our votes in 2014 to vote ANC in power and if ANC does get voted in Power in 2014, you will suffer parliament constituency. Two thirds majority lebalang ka yona. Every rot must decompose and tat is where ANC is heading to, without any assistance of white people's divide and rule game. You are a self destructing organization whose marital bed is defiled by greed, whose brains are devoid of sanity! You are no longer the Christian party whose founders were teachers and preachers of the Word Of God, otherwise known as baruti! Hence it's easy for msholozi to say stop seeking advise from religious leaders forgetting the very party he heads was formed on principles of religion, particularly Christianity. John langalibalele dube long stopped turning in his grave. I'm pretty sure he interceded with the Almighty to let ANC self-destruct to compose. A day is coming wen ANC will be a has been. Report Abuse
@Kusheshe there is absolutely no hope to change the anc from the NEC given that JackDaniel Mthembu's name is that list as well, the anc are desperate, fortunately the opposition parties are working hardest to win SAns the day and help us get rid of these corrupt dumb@sses who have put our country on the verge of being corrupt and even if the opposition were to win in the up coming elections, they are going to need a bloody miracle to fix the theft of resources and the gaping hole they leave in the country as tax payers pockets alike, Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Zabaragast
Poor Maharaj. Howz he gonna spin this one i wonder. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
imfene
In any case,as far as changing one's clothes, hair dos, etc. for appearence, I like Msholozi"s skins. Very kinky. Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
Le teng @ skwamasamabele,when you say south Africans o bua ka 4000 delegates? 4000 delegates are not majority south Africans. And don't forget that ANC muti known as slate which saw the demise of men and women of integrity who were sidelined to vote in tender hungry BEC, ZEC, REC, PEC, who represent their interests. If you want to see how black hate each other, go attend a BGM. Can we ask ANC if it has a statistics reports of comrades who were assassinated since zuma came into power? I mean politically motivated deaths in all the nine provinces? ANC kills those who speak against its rot! They are forced against their will to meet the Maker. O tshabe motho ha ntshiwa dijo ganong! You meet the Maker unprepared, without proper farewell to family. This is the ANC we know. The only reason you speak for zuma is because he is sympathetic to the corrupted. You are shielded under zuma to loot anywhere you like. I mean ask mr motshweneng of sabc. He is not a member of any ANC branch but when he coughed up and cleared his throat asking for zuma instead of tissue, he got untouchable immediately!! So indulge me my learned friend, which change are the new breed of hyenas bringing on the table for south Africans to follow blindly? Report Abuse
@Kusheshe LOVL at anc muti of slates, I still can't comprehend that this is day and age of technology anc are suing slates to vote, its hilarious actually, but then they have to accommodate for their president who himself ended his education in the slate era, lol
WRT men of integrity sidelined by the 'anc-slaters' I think Mothlante brought this unto himself, he never once did he show ppl that was interested to be elected instead he chose to keep his card closer to his chest ito his intentions, that means he was not committed or sure if he can be a better leader, as for Tokyo totally undeserving against someone like Rampahosa at least all of Ramaphosa's BEE accumulations are standing and going strong, apparently some of Tokyo's BEE accumulations are being liquidated or on the verge of being closed down, I mean there is n o hope for Tokyo if he can manage to lose election against a guy who put more value to a bull than the lives of his brothers. the bull was priced at 18mil whilst 34 Marikane miners had to share amongst their surviving members 2mil, now my friends if Verwoerd is watching from some place he must saying to himself, the anc are doing to their own even better than I did.../ Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Kusheshe
Signal problems... 13 km from off ramping to the village for new year celebrations! Lovely chatting, everyone!!
Even though i can see the point he trying to make i see many african girls wearing straight blonde wigs they can only want to look like a european wearing that' and remember that a large majority of us do worship those too white! men called jesus and jehovah' he should of mentioned that madness to.
But i cannot help but find the so called President Jacob Zuma an absolute joak and hypocrite! when he lets WHITE! european dutch immigrants run entirely the infrastructure of a BLACK! African country..
What a big joak we black africans must look going in to 2013 Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Danisqo
so this idiot should be living in caves wearing animal skins, using rivers as a shower, checking the sun for the time, riding horses to the meetings, he should not have adopted the other cultural living ways, he shows what a moron he really is Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
MasheleJ
Now ol’ Jacob’s really talking my language! This is prolly a sly introduction to the basic National Development Plan. What a clever politician!
All these fancy trappings and whitey values shouldn’t be envied and emulated by wide eyed Africans.
And just what do they want parliamentary procedures and robust homes with lightning conductors for?
We got along for thousands of years without motor-cars, cell ‘phones, flat screen TVs - indeed we don’t even need the SABC.
And not to mention tarmac roads, universities, medical research and expensive whiskies.
Away with tampons, eye-glasses, fashion apparel, and all forms of electronic devices!
Close the airports, harbours, scrap the railways - they only a blot on the landscape anyway!
A cleft stick or talking-drums was good enough for my great, great grand father - none of this internet nonsense required - we be sooooo much better off without these accoutrements!
So lets hear it for Afrocentric ideology - and lets rid ourselves of everything that don’t spring from the African culture.
Make your slogan “WE GONNA REGESS 400 HUNNERT YEARS ” and live by it.
What about some of ur wives who are always on weaves, brazilians wearing mini skirts? What culture is that? Preach these to ur wives be4 vomiting out of ur house! Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
defacto69
Well well well ...AT LAST "you people are seeing the light ! "" - - Now you have a taste of African stupidity that we Whites live with all day long .
And that is not a racist comment - JUST FACT Report Abuse
Dec 27, 2012
Njongozethu
The man is completely BARKING mad. Typical of the dinosaur, with dinosaur ideas in a party of dinosaurs. Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
Djembe
238 comments already wow Msholozi you have a big fan club, they pretend to hate you but they stll read about you. When people hate leadership they don't even bother to read about it but these comments above show that most of the sowetan readers are interested in knowing what you say. Long msholozi long live... Wigs and straighten hair are disgusting. Its a sign of not knowing who you are! I've never seen indians or whites trying to be blacks or Africans though they are born in Africa. I've seen some of our sisters wearing a wig and a hat on top of it isn't this confusion? Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
Djembe
Whether some of you think Zuma has know clue about women, most women who are proud to be black adore him look for yourself the support he got from the womens league. Only "goodbye my nation" think like some of the above. About animals he is again right, how does someone prefers to hug and kiss a dog when they can't even shake a hand of a fellow countryman. Mr President what you SAID IS 100% CORRECT. Let them say whatever... Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
Riekie
I think Zuma is underestimating the black people in our country's intelligence. Is his wife's not wearing wigs. Did he not build himself a modern compound and he used to stay in a mud hut? If I was black I would have been offended by this uneducated man. Is he trying to racially divide people in this country? Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
TheNewFreedomFighter
More vile, divisive racism spewing from a corrupt empty vessel. I have no problem if he promotes his own culture, but why is it always at the expense of other people's culture. This man is a danger to society. He is openly racist. He is the President of SA. Shame on you ANC!
If anyone thinks this kind of stupid comment is going to help us solve the racist, economic and social problems in SA then they must be as stupid and simple minded as Zuma. Instead, we stand more divided this moring and any investor will wonder at the wisdom of making an investment when the president of the country has just made such a racist remark. Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
oldlady12
To all the men who defended JZ's utterances on how women should look, thinking they're also defending their culture, please go learn a bit more about your real culture. In the black culture, men never commented or decided on women's stuff. A group of older women took care of such matters. What this group decided was accepted by men, and it was this group who would guide and teach the younger generation. No man would have dared to disagree with anything this group of women decided. For JZ to comment on female matters is probably the most uncultural thing he has done in a long time. Report Abuse
You go President, some people hate the truth, and that will not help anyone..... Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
oldlady12
hadebe...."You go President"...... best advice anyone has given him ever. Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
Zenzelisto
Hadebe
You go President, some people hate the truth, and that will not help anyone.....
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quick question since when did woman hair style form part and parcel of the presidencies mandate?
Or is he now an aspiring hair-dresser, I figure if his so concerned about remaining black, he should wear “Ibheshu” and a tie. wouldnt put it past him LOL
oldlady12
hadebe...."You GO President"...... best advice anyone has given him ever.
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LOL i concur. Report Abuse
Dec 28, 2012
Charloo
He is just an ass nje..i will never like ZUMA... Report Abuse
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Ponko.Fontoyo
Idiot.Report Abuse
MommaC
Why the f(&$^&$!! do they let this moron speak in public !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Report Abuse
oldlady12
Hehehehehe. The man really has no clue about women. I perm my hair to curl it, and I've spent what must amount to years in the sun to get darker, and I'm well aware that i won't turn into a black by doing it. These cosmetic changes us women do, is for us, because that's what we want to do with our money we work for, and has nothing to do with culture. And dear Mr Prez, how can you even talk about humanity when you say don't take your animals to vets when they're sick, and don't take them for walks to keep them healthy? Really now. I think his speech writer must be on leave. How can this man represent what is supposed to be a non racial organisation when he keeps making such ridiculous racist statements? Someone, please tell me he was misquoted.Report Abuse
RipApart
Do not underestimate the predictability of stupidity........Report Abuse
Pointman
Ja idiot indeed. People want to look nice. Straight hair and nice clothes does not mean a person has abandoned his culture. And the presidents interpretation of African Culture costs money - many wives and many children costs money which only the privileged few like him can afford.Report Abuse
Bebesocs
There he goes again.People have a RIGHT to do what they like NOT what you like, you put on animal skins who cares about that S.H.I.T, so back off thats freedom,dividing the country. Such a statement is not expected from a STATE PRESIDENT.
He is wearing animal skin showing us his arthritic knees (wearing a mini)
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Folondishi
Zuma's comments are toxic. I have lost respect for this morally bankrupt moron. This is an insult to our sisters and mothers. What does a hair have anything to do with being white? Who wants to be white? Why should a president mock his own people? Maybe we should also tell you not to bonk every women you come across and think that you will turn into a Bramahn.Report Abuse
Pointman
oldlady12I think his speech writer must be on leave.
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I was wondering what made him make such silly remarks - this is the most probable reason. I was driving through Rosettenville yesterday and noticed that there were many salons advertising braids and weaves - but the people in the streets all still looked black. The presidents formula to turn white is not working.
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oldlady12
Pointman, then you were driving through my valley yesterday. Did you also happen to notice the many abandoned dogs roaming the streets? Is that then the "black" way? To let dogs run the streets to bite innocent children, because the "white" way is to keep them safely in your yard, and if you take them for walks, to have them on a leash.Report Abuse
sekhebereshe
@FolondishiZuma's comments are toxic. I have lost respect for this morally bankrupt moron. This is an insult to our sisters and mothers. What does a hair have anything to do with being white? Who wants to be white? Why should a president mock his own people? Maybe we should also tell you not to bonk every women you come across and think that you will turn into a Bramahn.
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i totally agree.....you said it better.
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MommaC
Do you realise that we have another 5 years of this kind of embarrassing dumbassery to look forward to? And I thought the blerrie Americans were dumber than a pile of rocks for voting Bush in for two years! Goes to show that it is a universal age of dumbasseryReport Abuse
Phuphethakatha
“If donkeys are better cared for, they are in better condition to carry water or carry a child to school; when dogs are taken to vets for vaccination, it protects people. Caring for an animal and a person goes together.”*****************************************
And the President of a country can't even think about this? Such common knowledge, nc.nc.nc.nc. And this showerhead grew up as a herdboy, that's where compassion for dogs and other animals starts to blosom. So our Prez did not learn much from the fields/veld either, it's not just about school. We're in deep, deep trouble !!!
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Ponko.Fontoyo
If you can ask him what he meant by the statement, he will laugh and dance.Bloody clown.Report Abuse
Mbelewolwazi
This comment is out of the blue. What has it got to do with anything constructive. This is disappointing. Mr. President, stooping to commenting about cosmetics is to low for a MAN of your stature. Maybe its the festive season?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Jeer this guy has become a fully blown racist caveman, I am ashamed that SA has this person for a president.Report Abuse
Phuphethakatha
@Ponko.FontoyoIf you can ask him what he meant by the statement, he will laugh and dance.Bloody clown.
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Ha ha ha !!! You made my day...
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oldlady12
Phuphethakatha, your herdboy comment...so right. What my white history teaches me is that when my forefathers came to Africa, they found the black man to be compassionate towards all animals, and in tune with nature, killing only what he needs to eat, never taking more from the land than what he needs to survive. My history says that is was actually my forefathers who came here to plunder animals, hunting large numbers with guns for trophies, and letting the meat rot in the killing fields. Now Zuma is saying that caring for animals is a white thing, and not African? Which history is then the right history?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
BTW Zuma for your education, as part my social responsibility, do you really want to know why many African black children aspire to be white, even bleaching their skins and straightening their hairs? its cause white is associated with success and progress, its a fact though when you have to think about white run continent, the ppl have access to the basics, the children have all basic to high school education, and its the white donors who are keeping our continent alive, its the white run countries where scores of political and sexually persecuted refugees run to, ask guys in the horn of Africa as Lybia is used as transit country to Europe by every African refugee. Whilst you and many rich blacks in your gov use tax payers money to buy women and collect them to decorate your harems. a black child in Africa looks up the white donors who deliver and supply aid in the continent for their survival, even the Netherlands King who had skiing accident, he was some of the poverty stricken African countries before his accident to open a school he built for the children in that country, him and his wife, so how can black children not aspire to be white if that gives them hope?Report Abuse
Folondishi
@ somaartakeit - My family is black and proud. They have never aspired to be white. Good luck to you and your blacks that aspire to be white.Report Abuse
letwadi
You are right Mr President, I have a dog named zuma, it breeds all over the place and leaves its puppies to be taken care of by the neighbours ( Shabir and the Guptas ), it is not our black culture to let whites and indians to raise our kids, right mr prezzie? To think that we still faced with another term of this bumble bee.Report Abuse
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No, we don't aspire to be white....you and Zuma deserve each other, you fail dismally when it comes to interpretation.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
You're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats.Report Abuse
madimetsha
yes, people buy fake and real Indian hair, assumption is that they wana look like those people, some dark person in blonde hair, ridiculous..... never seen anyone willing to buy my k@ffir hare look-a-like hair....come on, we all know the long straightened hair or the extenstion is to look like a certain race.....and to use that irritating finger thing to get hair out of your face......inferiority complex.......its only mnyamanes who are willing to buy a dead indian hair, if they cant afford it, to a buy a plastic look-alike froma Nigerian...Report Abuse
Zimzalabam1
@somaartakeit - It is the samewhite people whom you associate with success have been looting this continent for dacades.Not all blacks aspire to be white my friend.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Folondishi, then tell me why do majority black Africans always run to the white run countries when they are refugees? is it bcoz they aspire to the whiteman run countries (Europe/Canada/USA/Australia) success, sanity, and chance at having a better life?don't personalise this debate its not about you or your family its about Africans in general and I wish you wld engage me on those lines ONLY.
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maneater
haaau nkosiyami. i also got a dog that i love, i feed it I take it to the vet when sick it also plays with my children. does this mean i want to be white. or maybe its only whites who are supposed to own a dog because if you cannot take care of it well then you should ot own one. now lets hear mr Maharaj spin this one!!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Zunzakabam1 when Africa was looted as you say, what did African leaders do against that and for sustainment of the continent?Report Abuse
oldlady12
KTKT, if they are copycats, then what am I for perming my hair to get it curlier, and tanning to get darker?Report Abuse
MommaC
madimetshaAnother male who is clueless about women!
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thathakonke
Well last time I checked dogs were human best friends cause unlike you JZuma they protect us from thugs that you gave parole and gave suspended sentences and they help blind people.As for my hair it's none of your business if it's curly or straight cause it's my money that I work for not getting it from struggling people who wake up in the morning and still have to take their kids to creches and school by public transport.You're the one who lost ubuntu by sleeping with you friend's daughter and impregnating her, sleeping around with HIV + woman and taking a shower,misusing state funds,having lots of kids outside marriage whilst you have wives in your house. If you have nothing to say just shup upReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Maneater, you know most black ppl I know always had dogs (as guard dogs) for their livestock and cats, I can deduce Zuma's comments to him not being educated or knowledgeable on ANY subject, its comments like the ones he ignorantly makes which highlights importance of education, knowledge is power my friends.Report Abuse
MommaC
somaartakeitWhy would you want to be white?
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oldlady12
madimetsha, dead (or alive) india.n people don't have blonde hair.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MC I have not said I wanted to be white, but I am saying, when you are a child growing up in AFrica with no resources and no hope as is the case of the kids, where the king of Netherlands donated school to and sanitary water, the belief is that, white is success and white is hope, hence skin lightening, and hair straightners incl the blonde and brunette hair extension or human hair dos if you like.Report Abuse
MommaC
somaartakeitSo why do the rich ladies in white countries give themselves skin cancer with tanning beds and destroy their hair with perms? Do they secretly want to live in a village with no water?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12KTKT, if they are copycats, then what am I for perming my hair to get it curlier, and tanning to get darker?
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You're a copycat too but not a bloody one kakkakkakkakakakakakkakakkakaka.
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somaartakeit
@MC you know that's vanity not that they aspire to be black, but in black communities believe me I grew up and lived there, light skinned blacks are considered to be prettier etc hence Tswanas were are amongst the most popular chicks with guys.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
he he he he he he he he he he he he!!!! so what he is the President moes do not hate the player hate game maan!!!Report Abuse
jebb
very stupid speech,is he really a president???come on zuma...he had a point,but used wrong reasons to support it as i totally agree that blacks shouldnt try too hard to live like white peopleReport Abuse
MommaC
somaartakeitHoney that has nothing to do with being white. That was around long before the white man set foot here and it has to do with being 'rich'. It is the same as the indian caste system and just as old.
If you were a labourer in the fields, you were in the sun and got dark. If you were the wife of a 'rich' man then you stayed in the house and were lighter. That is eons old.
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Garanteni
I never expected such comment form my Pres, but frm people on the street and in their little corners such views( hair) not animals please, are heard. There is one Hugh Masekela who refuse to take a picture with an african lady in a weave, and I have never heard or seen him being ridiculed.Report Abuse
SOLUTIONS
Dear anc supporters, this is what you vote for, hehehehehehhehehe.How d.umb does this guy make you look. hehehehehe
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somaartakeit
Nowadays tho MC its got to do with status symbol, that the more darker your skin it means you have money to splash on expensive holidays all year round, but the local markets saw opportunity for the plebs too, and gosh are they cashing in on suntanning mania, in every town in Europe there are hundreds of tanning cabin for those who can't afford holidays in warm countries so everyone is now turned all year round, some come out there looking like tomatoes but its a white ppl fashion what can I say, lolReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Garanteni, Hugh Masekela a recoring drug addict refuses to take pictures with black women wearing wigs/human? I have no doubt those women's lives are shuttered by this, anyway you shld try to chose men of principle if you really have to chose one, cause as things stands Hugh still needs to pay his IDC bill, money geared for job creation, yena as an irresponsible recovering drug addict refuses to pay back to the IDC.Report Abuse
Zimzalabam1
@somaartakeitwhere the king of Netherlands donated school to and sanitary water, the belief is that, white is success and white is hope,
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So this is your yardstick to measure sucess,must say its a very,very short stick.Your reasoning is flawed,Africa has so many natural resources.I might acknowledge that these have not been used in the most desireable manner by our so called leaders.If then that would make one to change pigment and be of another race then those people do not deserve to be black.
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MommaC
somaartakeitSame story, different century. The rich want to be visibly rich and the poor get what they have.
It is just pathetic that a man with so many wives, mistresses, victims and daughters can be so completely ignorant of women. We ALL fiddle with our hair as it is what women do. It isn't for being 'white' or 'black' or even for men - it is for us because we like it.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
He should have started with MaNtuli, Mabida, Ngema.Phew! it is a good thing stupidity is not contagious but sad reality is it can be passed from generations.......
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somaartakeit
and just for the record I don't agree with human hair and hair relaxing, cause in the hair relaxing chemicals I believe there is a health risk, which cosmetic manufacturer of these products will not tell the consumers about, the human hair more often than not looks silly and unpractical, especially when you get those women who always whisking their heads, that makes them look not normal in the head, also when at the restaurant eating, I wish they should avoid touching it cause its off putting to diners who wld be watching this.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Complements of the season to you Ms Kink I wish you and yours even a better year in 2013, as for Zuma I think God is showing us how to not our democracy for granted. And you are right his whole family of females are wearing fake hair. And him and his nieces heavily rely on 'white produce' in order to feel superior to the rest of the clan and or other blacks, I don't see any of them riding on horse cart or maybe its bcoz president doesn't like animals, it now explains why in one of his ancestry worshiping ceremonies the cows were boxed and pounded to death to the shock and horror of the SPCA and all who watched the vid.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONSDear anc supporters, this is what you vote for, hehehehehehhehehe.
How d.umb does this guy make you look. hehehehehe
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Solution the man is rught and I'm bloody tired of these people too,what type of a being you're if you cannt accept yourself,you're a fool of none explanation.
Know to me this brown colour and this black short hair they make me a hero since they're who I am.
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Garanteni
Somaartekeit, me thinks you have got a low self esteem your comment of late leave much, you seems to be tantalized by europe not sure if you have recently been there. if Mshoza bleach she get fierce criticism from ladies, I am thinking you might have seen ladies who hate almost everything about themselves esp being black you included I sense. Bra Hugh is a legend drug addict or not, IDC money or not, why do u hate so much?Report Abuse
MSG_S
Eish!!! Haykhona, I give up.Report Abuse
MommaC
GaranteniBra Hugh is a musician, not our President.
Do you really think that Lady Gaga is the President of the USA or that her utterances have any baring on the politics of that country?
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Garanteni
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaak, The Kinky one sounds really....workedReport Abuse
oldlady12
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way.Report Abuse
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@Garentini, as I said Europe (and the West) symbolises hope to many in Africa, that's why they risk their lives on makeshift boats sailing to europe. To your leaders it symbolises SUPERIORITY, hence all they have to show their success is Western products, check my friend what they drive, check labels of their suits even they shop in Europe and the USA (for weddings of their children and their luxuries )in order to show you the plebs how superior their can be at your expense of cause, lol for you are paying for these luxuries you know?They tell you that West is bad (and you foolishly believe them) but they are forever in bed with the West, they will NEVER take major decisions without discussing such and get input from the West, and you want to brandish them as leaders? leaders who can't even taken a decision or have original idea which can implemented and help improve life of many Africans?
Oh did you know their wives get plastic surgery (for their luxury) in the West as well, lol the West is boss my friend, the sooner you realise this the better for your sanity:-)
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@GaranteniKwaaaaaaaaaaaaak, The Kinky one sounds really....worked
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I amnot, have you seen the makeup his wi.ves put on (it is more like face paint) and they also have weaves.......
it baffles me when a pot calls the kettle blac.k
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Garanteni
@ Mommac in essence u agree with me that I never expected such comment from the president, check my earlier comment, I mention Bra Hugh as a public figure I know that is also taking the same stance on fake hair.Report Abuse
madimetsha
@MommaCmadimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Sometimes when you throw your eyes under that helmet(wiky) there're hair locks greeting,shame.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeitHi dear, hope you had a good Xmas. Mine was fab and looking forward to the count down.
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madimetsha@MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair?
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So what women wear fake hairs men apply creams and swallow tablets to artificially erection. It cuts both ways :-)
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Garanteni
Somaar, your argument is flawful, I dont think its worth responding to.Report Abuse
madimetsha
I dont like Zuma, never will, however he was misquouted, he if referring to instances where animals are treated better than humans relatively.......example, where its raining, a dog owner will have a dog seat in the front and a humna being at the back of a bakkie........obviuosly you cannot kill your donkey if you use to put food on the table, however you will not have your donkey sleep in the other bedroom, while a human being sleeps outside, catch it?.Report Abuse
oldlady12
Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
oldlady12I for one understand what Msholozi is saying, the man is trying to say to us lets not try to be what we are not and what we will never be!!!! On the animal issue he is simply stressing the importance of being human unto other humans....sometimes I think the hatred for the man is clouding bloggers objectivity!!!! It is the same with sport, the same with BEE, the same with wealth, the same with race, the same at the work place....
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somaartakeit
@Garanteni, like I give a toss engaging a someone like you in a debate, it was my Xmas gift to you cause usually I don't engage ppl like you when I see them in real life, in this one time I decided to be charitable!Report Abuse
MommaC
GaranteniThe thing is that it is Bra Hugh's prerogative to say stuff about his personal likes and dislikes - he isn't the president. It is just WRONG for a president to say something so stupid.
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MSG_S
I like very dark ladies. But please Mr Zuma let them do what they like. There is no law against to what they do.Report Abuse
MommaC
madimetshaNope. You are completely clueless. Ask any woman
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Zimzalabam1
@oldladyKTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way
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I agree - women should decide what they want to look like,one of the few rights that are still there for them to enjoy.What next mr Pres you will be telling us that we should not walk,dress,chew and drink a certain way beacuse it will be seen as wanting to be white,
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@oldlady12Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus.
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LOVL he doesn't wear condoms he takes a shower instead, a whiteman invention, to cure himself of hiv, this man is just dumb. We must accept that we have dumbo for president then we won't be annoyed by his foolish remarks.
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madimetsha
@somaartakeitmadimetsha
@MommaC
madimetsha
Another male who is clueless about women!
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I know a lot about women, mind clarifying? dont they wear fake hair?
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So what women wear fake hairs men apply creams and swallow tablets to artificially erection. It cuts both ways :-)
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swallowing pills for an erection does not mean you want to look like anyone, you just wana enjoy cookie better, not sure which cream you are talking about, african women generally have short curly hair, they go out of their way to make it longer, and straighter, it if fails, they try the stick on, like hair bought from India in the case of Beyonce, or plastic in the case of Zodwa.......and they wana look like certain people.
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madimetsha, maybe what you're missing is each looking after his own. A dog owner won't put his dog in the front, and his own child on the back. I might put my dog in the front of a bakkie, so he doesn't get wet, but then again, I won't put the unknown human on the back. I simply won't give him a lift at all, then he can't complain about where I choose to put my animals. Did you hear JZ's speech to say he was misquoted? I sincerely hope that is the case, because I'd hate to think the prez of our country can be as idiotic as this.Report Abuse
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MorenaWaPolelo????
So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ?
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
I wonder what the Ice Princess Sisulu and Mokonayne said when they heard their master ridicule wo.men with weaves and makeup............ I wish I could be a fly on the wall for the kiss and makeup session (no pun intended)Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Madimetsha the erection is fake as hair extension, you see women wear hair extensions to get volume and give impression that they have fuller/longer hair, men take pills to give themselves a fake erection. All that I am saying is that all is fair in love and war, this fake war each of us indulge in every now and then, so Zuma has no business telling women not to fake it when all his wives wear fake hairs with exception of Makhumalo whom I respect.Report Abuse
Garanteni
Low self esteem is dangerous, Happy New Year SomaarReport Abuse
madimetsha
oldlady12madimetsha, maybe what you're missing is each looking after his own. A dog owner won't put his dog in the front, and his own child on the back. I might put my dog in the front of a bakkie, so he doesn't get wet, but then again, I won't put the unknown human on the back. I simply won't give him a lift at all, then he can't complain about where I choose to put my animals. Did you hear JZ's speech to say he was misquoted? I sincerely hope that is the case, because I'd hate to think the prez of our country can be as idiotic as this.
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Now, would a dog be your own kind? can we then conclude all whites are dogs, since they looking after their "own kind" ? you mention they would not put their children, exactly the president point, humans are humans, irrespective of whether it is yoru child or not....cant wait for Mandela to die, then the real revolution will begin....people are saying Zuma is an idiot, this is normally a tag attached to opinions not similar to oours, it has nothing to do with ones ability to think, I learned.
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linjanilisendzelemtsakatsi
i agree with Shower Boy on this one! some people are so fake(i.e. make-up, fake hair etc) thats it is so disgusting!!! when she wakes up in the morning its like another person..sies!!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MsKink do you really think that the ancwl incl sisule and mankonyane are allowed to have an opinion by inkunzi (Zuma), coming to think about it, its not the first time this chauvinist has made insulting remarks against women, but then I am not surprised cause Zuma showed himself on the Khwezi night that he is vile animal. So nothing he says to denegrate women surprises me about him.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way.
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Oldie you're trying to robbe me,if you cut your hair short it stays the same ,our sisters today they make hair implant because when extend your hair where the natural one ends you can see and where the plastic one starts you can even seen.
Honetsly speaking poeple are like regretting who they're.
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Personally I care more about my 3 dogs than I care for a lot of people out there, I feel sorry for people who does not have dogs, dogs give you love that no other animal or people can give you, one can learn a lot from dogs, I think it is time this so called president gets himself a little jack russel or a boerboel.Report Abuse
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MommaCMorenaWaPolelo
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So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ?
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Momma perhaps if you understood Zulu or Sotho you would understands when a person is saying do not treat your pets better than people...he is simply stressing that we should be kind hearted to fellow human beings....Momma you can take you pet to the vet and wear clothing is fine but you cant take your pet to the vet and tell your garden boy to go and die when he is sick can you?
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@Solutions I don't know why you would wish that on poor dogs, can you imagine what is it is like to be owned by this irresponsible person, his family survives on handouts, the dogs would starve to death, please be nice to poor animals for they have done nothing to deserve to be owned by this creep.Report Abuse
madimetsha
@somaartakeit@Madimetsha the erection is fake as hair extension, you see women wear hair extensions to get volume and give impression that they have fuller/longer hair, men take pills to give themselves a fake erection. All that I am saying is that all is fair in love and war, this fake war each of us indulge in every now and then, so Zuma has no business telling women not to fake it when all his wives wear fake hairs with exception of Makhumalo whom I respect.
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you are missing the point, extensions are about image which is believed to be superior to that of your own.which means you want to look like people who were born with straight and longer hair,....it has nothing to do with showing a fuller hair or whatever that is suppose to mean..why cant they wear one that looks exactly like African hair, why must it always be straightened out?..I never spoke about make-up, which I personally hate.
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@MorenaWaPoleloMommaC
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So you think that taking a dog to the vet or wearing clothing is 'wrong' ?
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Momma perhaps if you understood Zulu or Sotho you would understands when a person is saying do not treat your pets better than people...he is simply stressing that we should be kind hearted to fellow human beings....
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So which part of humanity on Zuma's part for taking millions of poor SAns money and build himself a mansion with a bunker? which part of humanity is this? Zuma is a hypocrit of note, and for his information whites in general do more for hte poor, even with teh aids epidemic it was down to the european/american donors its thanks to them that many ppl in SA are alive today, were it left to the anc, everyone wld have been beetroot-garlicked to his/her early graves.
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Garanteni
Madimetsha, in our attempt to be accepted by the people we look up to we end up compromising ourselves, I think you have made yourself clear enough but certain people will end up insulting you for stating your point so clearly they busy monopolizing intelligence.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Madimentsha, same applies to the artificially enhanced erection which man spends millions on.You fake erection I will fake my hair, okay!
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MommaC
MorenaWaPoleloSo people who take their dogs to the vet are nasty and tell the gardener to 'go die'?
I hate to burst your bubble but people who are nasty to animals are usually psychopaths who are going to be nasty to humans too. Looking after an animal is not a 'white' thing, it is a universal thing. Most black people that I know are good to their animals and to humans. Same goes for most of the white folk I know. Taking your damn dog to the vet is hardly a sign that you have no feelings for your gardener!
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somaartakeit@Solutions I don't know why you would wish that on poor dogs, can you imagine what is it is like to be owned by this irresponsible person, his family survives on handouts, the dogs would starve to death, please be nice to poor animals for they have done nothing to deserve to be owned by this creep.
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True, I did not re-read what I typed,
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@MC sadly true what you said to MorenaWapolelo, apparently one of Australia's most feared psychopath used to abuse animals when that was not enough he moved on to abuse humans young girls and women till the police there put a stop his vile actions,Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeitWhat your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Zimzalabam1@oldlady
KTKT, but that is your own personal choice. Let's look at it this way. Hair is made to grow. Now you go cutting yours to keep it short. Is that because you want to look like someone else? No. It is because it is how you prefer it. You are allowed to wear your hair the way you prefer it. Now allow other people the same right. For a prez to tell a country's women, each with their own ideas on how they like things, that they are wrong, is ridiculous. For a prez to basically tell people not to take care of their animals is even more ridiculous. No seriously KTKT, rather make some excuse up for the man, and tell us he was misquoted, than to protect him in this way
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I agree - women should decide what they want to look like,one of the few rights that are still there for them to enjoy.What next mr Pres you will be telling us that we should not walk,dress,chew and drink a certain way beacuse it will be seen as wanting to be white,
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Zim I'm also agaisnt what that takes african woman's beauty,what can you call someone who bleached her natural colour and implanted indian/white hair if you dont know that her colour was brown(african),will you still recognise that she's an african girl?
Our dignity goes with our look Zim and the way we do things,whoever who does crime when appeares he's a thug.
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MommaC
somaartakeitIts like living in an alternate universe. I have NEVER in all my life heard someone suggest that people who are negligent to animals is a 'humanitarian'. It has always been the opposite argument!
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madimetsha
why do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after themReport Abuse
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MorenaWaPolelosomaartakeit
What your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!!
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Did you say this because the truth hurts?
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MommaCPerhaps you do not understand my point, I never said any of the things you mentioned your are jumping into conclusions dear... Anyway lets agree to disagree thanks for the debate!!!
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@madimetshawhy do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after them
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i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death...
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@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem with AFrican men like you you think you should be prescribing what an African woman should do or not do, just who appointed men like you to be speaking and deciding what's right or wrong ito our dress code and vanity? You should respect the fact that in this century women have a right to do as they please with their bodies be it to bleach it, to hair extension or to live everything organic, you or Zuma have no say nor influence in the matter, your dignity should not be sustained at expense of suppressing women's choices in this continent,.@Morenawapolelo, so its hating men when one points out that they are also as capable of FAKING it? even zuma wears make up on his tv appearances, his comments about makeup and vanity makes him a hypocrit, that want to continue to suppress women's choices. This creature please must ONLY speak state that he is speaking for ancwl not every woman in this country, for some of us don't wanna be lectured by an idiot like him for someone of us don't care about his opinions.
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madimetsha"He claimed that spending money on buying a dog, taking it to the vet and for walks belonged to white culture and was not the African way."
...... which part of that sentence do you agree with?
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@sekhebereshe@madimetsha
"i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death... " not only are the animals in the township lay bleeding and rejected the township children are more prone to be treated in such barbaric manner, which is why many believe that if you are cruel to animals you are more than likely to be cruel to humans.
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SOLUTIONSWhat your saying has not relevance to the article thats why I say the hatred for the man is getting people worked and your are missing the point Sir!!
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No because those are erelevant facts!!!to this article!!!
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@sekhebereshe@madimetsha
why do people like to analyse senteces in isolation, this is relative, there is nothing wrong with sending your dog to vet, it becomes a problem if you do that, however leave another human to die ( grandma, maid, etc).............. infact blacks have animals and do look after them
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i totally disagree....township dogs are always lying in the streets dead hit by cars or stoned to death...
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True that, however my statement was general, same wth whites some of them do abuse their animals , 90% of abused animals at SPCA were actaully owned by whites before........
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@ Madimetsha, lol the aim is to confuse you and make you loose track of your point, it is done deliberately. lolReport Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Surprising he did not say don't wear condoms, as HIV/AIDS is a white virus.
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Kakkakakkakkakkakkakakkakaka.lol
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madimetsha
@MommaCmadimetsha
"He claimed that spending money on buying a dog, taking it to the vet and for walks belonged to white culture and was not the African way."
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we dont buy our dogs, we give them for free, we always had land dogs walked wherever they pleasse, no need to walk them, there were no vets in Africa.
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MommaC
Soccer is not a Southern African sport. You mess with our beauty salons and we WILL mess with your soccer. Be warned!Report Abuse
sekhebereshe
@madimetshaTrue that, however my statement was general, same wth whites some of them do abuse their animals , 90% of abused animals at SPCA were actaully owned by whites before........
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yaa true madimetsa you are right my brother..and i even heard white can even get s*xual with their pets...i would rather stone that thing than to let it do me.
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@Madimetsha just cuz you don't 'buy your dogs' you give them for free is it wrong for those who chose to breed and sell them? of course there is a need to walk your dog, cause you build a relationship and help it with its exercise especially if you work during the day the dog is home alone and desponded, this is a way to give it reassurance and build its confidence, there's a lot that you need to learn about pets and relationship with their masters.Report Abuse
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somaartakeit@Morenawapolelo, so its hating men when one points out that they are also as capable of FAKING it? even zuma wears make up on his tv appearances, his comments about makeup and vanity makes him a hypocrit, that want to continue to suppress women's choices. This creature please must ONLY speak state that he is speaking for ancwl not every woman in this country, for some of us don't wanna be lectured by an idiot like him for someone of us don't care about his opinions.
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Sir no one is forcing you to read the article or lestin to your president or read his speaches this idiot will be opening the parly next year, he will be campaigning next, he will asking for your vote next year, he will be representing you in UN next year, he will be making pronouncements on major issues next year, he will be interviewed on TV next year, he will be defending nKandla gate next year ect ect...So it seems you are going to have one unhappy year because the man is your president and he will remain so for a year or so or even for the next six years....your are in trouble Sir!!
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@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeYou're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats.
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That's incorrect. Hair straightening and skin enlightening was done by African women centuries ago. In the entire Eastern Cape (Pondoland, Bomvana, etc) they used red ochre to enlighten their skin and cow dung to make dreadlocks (Bomvana people), and a hot stone plus animal fat to straighten hair. That dates back before the first ship wrecks along the wild coast (Stevanesse, Grosvener etc). Blacks just abandoned their traditional ochre and animal fat for new products white introduced. That's not "copycat"ing. The danger here is lack of knowledge acquired from education. Zuma is not an individual who knows a lot, nor is he educated...
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it was the annual commemoration of the induction of Inkosi Sibongiseni Zuma – I dont know him,but im sure that the Pres was way off the mark as usual.You have to admire his chameleon tendencies cause i think that if he had an audience if feminist who are more it the urban areas he would have said the total opposite.He changes his tune based on audience and he tells you want you want to hear -that can go both ways.Report Abuse
MommaC
madimetshaThere were no townhouses in Africa back then or cures for tick bite fever or pure-breed dogs or plumbing or electricity or highways or mielies or grenadellas or ...... you get the picture.
You want to go back to living like they did in 1212 then, by all means, go find yourself a patch of land and become a hermit
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@MorenaWaPolelosomaartakeit
@Morenawapolelo,
Sir no one is forcing you to read the article or lestin to your president or read his speaches this idiot will be opening the parly next year, he will be campaigning next, he will asking for your vote next year, he will be representing you in UN next year, he will be making pronouncements on major issues next year, he will be interviewed on TV next year, he will be defending nKandla gate next year ect ect...So it seems you are going to have one unhappy year because the man is your president and he will remain so for a year or so or even for the next six years....your are in trouble Sir!!
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which part of the comment you responded to which suggests (in your opinion) that I was forced or feel forced to read this article by a bumbling foolish SAn president? more than I am settign him right from his deluded thinking his views are representative of all Africans, Zuma is an African shame, all Africans I meet in my travels abroad, are shocked that he is the president, imagine how shocked they will be when they realised that that this fool that can't even read is telling the world what his version of an African is? Or what an African beauty should be? All this against the backdrop of him surrounded by fake haired, skin lightened females in his own family?
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somaartakeit
@Phuphethakatha, wow its true what you say, but I don't agree that blacks abundoned their products for 'white produced' one more than ppl move on to use IMPROVED and considered 'SAFER' products, all this should not be a debating point if this president something beneficial to this country to say or do, surprisingly the Queen of England gave Christmas speech to her ppl, she congratulated the ppl responsible to plan stage Olympic games, she congratulated athletes, they also announced officially that they are expecting a new addition to the royal family, all this to try rally positivity/national pride to her ppl, what does our president do? speaks about koetjies and kalfjes just like twaddle twaddle that he is. How can I respect it after this and so m any foolish remarks he made in public?Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeitKatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The problem with AFrican men like you you think you should be prescribing what an African woman should do or not do, just who appointed men like you to be speaking and deciding what's right or wrong ito our dress code and vanity? You should respect the fact that in this century women have a right to do as they please with their bodies be it to bleach it, to hair extension or to live everything organic, you or Zuma have no say nor influence in the matter, your dignity should not be sustained at expense of suppressing women's choices in this continent,.
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Aaaaah listen to today men,dont you know young man that if you dont know what is right for african wom@n she'll leave you and if you let her do as she pleases she wont look you as a man.
But you must be dependable and trustworthy to build her if you're not she wont listen to you ,these young ladies do that to impress you young men since you've failed long ago to tell them how beautiful they're in such nature look.
You young men of today think material things make a man,no you wrong,that's what make these young ladies go for such material stuff trying just to call these words"you're beautiful".
I blame people like you Somaar,who knows may be 50 to 100 years to come there'll be no real men in African.
We're not chosing them what they must do and what they musnt,we make them feela lile natural women not copycats because they want to please as "no",a real man dont do such young man.
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MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeitSo you even discus your president when you travel abroad, I mut say this is serious Sir....all I can say to you is that do not hate the man, your views are factual and very personal and I think is a waist of time for one to alter their heart beat over Zuma...I dont discuss Zuma when Im abroad I tell them is a waist of time and air but if you feel you have to approach this your way goodluck but all I can tell you is that your are waisting your time Sir...I said this before Mangaung and Im saying this to you now hatred is propeling the man!!
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somaartakeit
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepethe problem with African men like you is that you are insecure, your culture is insecure that's why it needs to oppress African girl child in order for you lot to feel masculinity, this behaviour makes others believe that you are inferior group of males in the animal kingdom, and your behavior towards women and children serves to solidify this belief, look now in Swaziland, those cavemen there blame rape victims dress code for actions of the perverts in that country, do you see why many think you guys live in a stoneage? Do you understand why the world has no respect or take you serious?
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@PhuphethakathaKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
You're right my president,you're right.These bloody copycats.
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That's incorrect. Hair straightening and skin enlightening was done by African women centuries ago. In the entire Eastern Cape (Pondoland, Bomvana, etc) they used red ochre to enlighten their skin and cow dung to make dreadlocks (Bomvana people), and a hot stone plus animal fat to straighten hair. That dates back before the first ship wrecks along the wild coast (Stevanesse, Grosvener etc). Blacks just abandoned their traditional ochre and animal fat for new products white introduced. That's not "copycat"ing. The danger here is lack of knowledge acquired from education. Zuma is not an individual who knows a lot, nor is he educated...
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There's difference between colour bleaching and skin lightening Boss,to lightening your skin doesnt change your look you still look african but to bleach you look totally different.
Stop lies wena maan eish this kid.
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somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelosomaartakeit
So you even discus your president when you travel abroad, I mut say this is serious Sir....all I can say to you is that do not hate the man, your views are factual and very personal and I think is a waist of time for one to alter their heart beat over Zuma...I dont discuss Zuma when Im abroad I tell them is a waist of time and air but if you feel you have to approach this your way goodluck but all I can tell you is that your are waisting your time Sir...I said this before Mangaung and Im saying this to you now hatred is propeling the man!!
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Why would I discuss a foolish president, more than as soon as ppl who understand my views and value my opinion esp on gender issues, upon finding out I am from SA they ask me about Zuma in the same way they do to all SAns abroad, I just confirm what they already know about him that he is unedcuated and is not able to lead and that SA is going through a leadership vacuum right now. Some Africans can identify with this cause they tell me that what we are going through now is what they went through in their own countries before total economic or social discourse collapsation, they feel sad cause they had hoped that we could learn frm their mistakes and not repeat them and continue to confirm stereotype about Africa not having capable and effective leadership.
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MSG_S
Though I may agree with what he says, but the bus will have to stop with the parents. Not Zuma. It becomes a noise not the talk when he utters something because sane people dont believe anything he says. He is always lying.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
and btw its not HATRED as you suggest that is propelling Zuma is CORRUPTION and having enough blackmailing material to blackmail his peers into submitting presidency to him even though they know he is not FIT, but they can't say this cause they are themselves corrupt, like Juju if they speak up Zuma will set Hawks on them to investigate their family funds, cause all of their funds are acquired in a corrupt manner, which strengthens Zuma's blackmailing material against his corrupt peers. That is why I said the other day, regime change is about the ONLY saving grace for SA from this corruption cesspool the anc has reduced our country into.Report Abuse
Chizozo
Hahaha you people like to critise even something that is commonly clear.If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on?Besides that we blacks we alwayz do not accept the truth.What Zuma said is happening and is real.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeitKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
the problem with African men like you is that you are insecure, your culture is insecure that's why it needs to oppress African girl child in order for you lot to feel masculinity, this behaviour makes others believe that you are inferior group of males in the animal kingdom, and your behavior towards women and children serves to solidify this belief, look now in Swaziland, those cavemen there blame rape victims dress code for actions of the perverts in that country, do you see why many think you guys live in a stoneage? Do you understand why the world has no respect or take you serious?
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Somaar everyone knows that we started experiencing these bad things since we've people like you who knw better,who look down to who they're.
There were such things or we can say they were infrequent women and children were living with love and peace,if you've been raised by african men not your mom young man there's no one who knows respect like,with love and caring like you.But since too much educated people like you dominate in African they we've started to see and hear about all these bad things,there' were ways of reprimanding men who have done bad to their wives or even their children but today since we have people like you African men never cared for their wives and children per your knowledge.
Who knows maybe you've be raised by your momo or your father've been raised by his mom,so if you're raised by mom how could you know men qualities,you wont young man.
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MommaC
ChizozoI have no clue what silly stories you believe but adult women of any racial group don't have a natural 'brazillian' - it is all good old fashioned waxing.
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somaartakeit
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After warning that black South Africans were losing respect for tribal chiefs by becoming “too clever”, President Jacob Zuma has vowed to fight cleverness in all its forms. “I will not rest on my leopard tails until I have rid myself, my family, the ANC and all South Africa of cleverness,” he said, before retreating to his intellect-proof bunker in Nkandla.Zuma stunned South Africa on the weekend by telling traditional chiefs in Parliament that some blacks were getting “too clever”, apparently not a reference to his education policies, which have made a total of zero South Africans more clever.
This morning South Africa’s clever blacks reacted with shock and disgust, saying that they were embarrassed to be represented to the world by a man “who makes Mitt Romney look like a radical feminist intellectual”.
However, Zuma has defended his statements, saying that cleverness was a major threat to democracy in South Africa.
“Cleverness puts ideas in people’s heads, and before you know it they are asking where their tax money goes, and then you have anarchy,” said Zuma.
He urged black citizens to be on the lookout for the first symptoms of cleverness in their communities.
“It starts with a creeping suspicion that Late Iron Age customs might not be appropriate for the 21st Century,” explained Zuma. “It then escalates until your children are forming their own opinions, instead of asking their local chief to form them.”
Meanwhile, Zuma has defended the large crowd of ANC supporters that kept a DA march away from his Nkandla compound on the weekend.
“We salute those brave cadres who are ready to lay down their lives to prevent cleverness from reaching our modest home,” he said, adding that he was not angry but instead pitied Helen Zille.
“Deep down, in her woman’s heart, Helen knows that she should have been at home, warming her husband’s slippers, instead of marching,” he said. “It is so sad that instead of being true to her purpose in life, that is, becoming the fourth wife of a man, having babies, and then becoming invisible, she has chosen to learn how to read and in so doing, becoming terminally infected with cleverness.”
He said that it was “tragically inevitable” that clever blacks would gravitate towards her, “because they also like wearing jeans and doing similarly provocative things to flaunt their cleverness, like thinking”.
But, he said, he and the ANC would triumph. “Non-cleverness shall prevail! Liberation before contemplation! Riches before reason! Thuggery before thought! Amandla!”
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
JZ is right and if his wives and children do such it doesnt mean he's no right to have a word about it.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Katakata....btw like MOST AFRICAN black children I was raised by mom as my sp*rm donating father was out to do what he and many like him do best, ie donating his sp*rm and taking no responsibility!!
I must say though most African women did a pretty damn good job in raising kids in the circumstances they find themselves in, and they didn't complaining about apartheid or anything they just go on with it, whilst black males such as yourself and a certain memela who is writing for M&G are using apartheid excuse as a security blanket to hide their being most inept male species in the world, whose main hobbies revolve around 'correcting lesbians', telling women how they should wear their hairstyles, and collecting them in teh harems all this happening in the 21st century, whilst hte rest of the world is discovering life saving science inventions, ow man, I cry for my continent *crying*
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Chizozo
MommaCIf I may ask,How many coloured,indians and White ladies you ever met having extensions?and out of 100 blacks in a township how many have you met walking the dog for peering?
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somaartakeit
@Solutions man, you made my day, I am on stitches right now, did this president really say these things? I have not been reading SAn news online for quite sometime now, lol did he really say there are 'clever blacks'? if he said these things then it stands to explain why him and his pals made a mess of SAn education system especially township schools where majority black children attend, he wants to delete cleverness potential, its so sad man, its really sad. its even more sad that there are black ppl who are defending this destructive force.Report Abuse
Folondishi
ChizozoHahaha you people like to critise even something that is commonly clear.If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on?Besides that we blacks we alwayz do not accept the truth.What Zuma said is happening and is real.
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@ Chizozo
If black ladies do not want to be seen as white,why are they putting extensions,brazilian hair and so on? What? Hair extensions are not white and Brazilians are not white either though the extension might have been manufactured and designed by whites just like your under pants, condoms,etc. Based on your boring and senseless comment, I guess you are a product of Angie Motshega and Limpopo's failed education system. Did you pass your standard 2?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Our African ladies are doomed that's all.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@ChizozoMommaC
If I may ask,How many coloured,indians and White ladies you ever met having extensions?and out of 100 blacks in a township how many have you met walking the dog for peering?
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you don't know much about women and their vanity tendencies do you? a lot of women wear extensions esp the ones in the entertainment business, you probably think that the wig won by PJ powers is her natural hair? or you think the wig that Tina Turner wears is her natural hair, I feel sorry for men like you who don't know much about women but always comment on women issues just to confirm to everyone how little you know about women.
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skwamasamabele
Somehow I agree with JZ. If you are blessed to be born black, why try and change it?? There is nothing as pure as a black skin. If you born white, when you ill, you turn blue, when you cheating you turn red, when you vomit you turn green and when you die you turn grey. But black skin stays the same. So why change it?? My woman is white and she's jealous of my black skinReport Abuse
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lol, that is a bit of an exaggeration, but yes, he did talk about clever blacks, I remember this article from about 2 weeks ago, just google "zuma and clever blacks" it is the 3rd website on the google pages.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@somaartakeitKatakata....
btw like MOST AFRICAN black children I was raised by mom as my sp*rm donating father was out to do what he and many like him do best, ie donating his sp*rm and taking no responsibility!!
I must say though most African women did a pretty damn good job in raising kids in the circumstances they find themselves in, and they didn't complaining about apartheid or anything they just go on with it, whilst black males such as yourself and a certain memela who is writing for M&G are using apartheid excuse as a security blanket to hide their being most inept male species in the world, whose main hobbies revolve around 'correcting lesbians', telling women how they should wear their hairstyles, and collecting them in teh harems all this happening in the 21st century, whilst hte rest of the world is discovering life saving science inventions, ow man, I cry for my continent *crying*
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21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar.
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somaartakeit
skwamasamabeleSomehow I agree with JZ. If you are blessed to be born black, why try and change it??
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So if you are blessed to have a small penis why do you try and change it by using viagra or having enlargement? what's good for the goose is good for the gander my friend. men like you and zuma should not come here argue about what is fake or not, as for zuma his whole existance is fake, he is a fake that is living on the mercy of others, I was reading prior to Xmas how Shaik gave him a 2mil to take care of his kids, what is responsibility in this world really, why does he make kids that he can't afford their upkeep? does he think being a sp*rm donor is about the main thing of being a man?
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Uncompromising
If my facts are correct, Zuma has a white son-in-law. What is the poor oke thinking of "daddy" now and the fact that he might have multi-racial grandkids one day. I can see him laughing and saying "ilwane lezi".Report Abuse
Folondishi
@skwamasamabele - You are not making sense, you and your president. Our women will never be white and they don't want to be white. Since when taking care of yourself have been associated with white? You white woman chose you only to make you a garden boy or a pet chimpanzeeeeeeeee! Ask her to turn your sisters white so that i can marry into your family and we can all be "white" and enjoy a white Christmas next year. you Zooooma A$$.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Uncompromising, its news to me that Zuma has a white son in law, no that there is anything wrong with that, and if that is true it also shows that not only is his IQ room temperature he has zero emotional intelligence a prerequisite for one to be a leader be it cultural leader or professional leader.Report Abuse
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lol, that is a bit of an exaggeration, but yes, he did talk about clever blacks, I remember this article from about 2 weeks ago, just google "zuma and clever blacks" it is the 3rd website on the google pages.
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Tjo I shall do this...just when I thought he can not get more stupid he just manages to raise stupidity bar.
I understand that now Cyril is goign to be his deputy? I don't envy him cause can you imagine having work shoulder to shoulder with this dumb@ss day after day? but then if you are in the anc you really have to grow a thick skin, to match your thick brains.
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MissBhakajuju-1
yi K.u.ku ke ngoku le i thethwa ngu Zuma... yazi, I was in a Festive Spirit, telling myself to support him for the sake of the Country's progress.... What does Straightning Hair, Face Creams have to do with you, nja ye Nkwenkwe ??Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
Fondoloshi- Since when is applying skin burning lotions make a woman beautiful?? muppet. You are not worthy to marry my sisters, concentrate on taking your ARVsSommartakeit- Trust you to lower the tone. Black is beautiful. You mentioning penises (irrelevance), could it being you haven't seen one in ages?? Why dont you try those skin burning lotions yourself?? I was referring to change of skin tones, Ms clever-clogs. Perhaps reading is not one of your strongest points
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MommaC
ChizozoI don't know any Indian ladies with extensions but I do know quite a few who perm their hair to curl it. Quite a few of the young white women I know have hair extensions - some are just clip in extensions but a some are the ones that are waxed/glued to their hair.
I don't live in a township, I live in a suburb. Quite a few of our neighbours (all colours) take their dogs for a walk in the evening or on the weekend. It isn't so they can go peee (we all have gardens) but it is so they aren't bored and bark all the time.
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Kusheshe
I agree with 2-head on the advise to stop taking family issues to religious leaders because there are many fake preachers out there. I suppose msholozi burnt his fingers when he consulted bishop Zondo!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka please don't glorify him by calling him k*k* ku*ku has proven over the years that it has more value and use, zuma is a total waste of space and an indictment to this country. his views about women are a direct result of him being caveman such caveman tendencies manifests in his behaviour and the way he speak to and about women. I would feel ashamed to his daughter, lastly, I am glad that he is saying this publicly, so that women have no excuse to vote for this barbarian cause we are all in the clear what he thinks iro gender equality.Report Abuse
1Mhlonitjhwa
Well said Mr JZ, our ladies are tryng so hard to look like certain people.Report Abuse
Naaiman
The idiotic president thinks setting aside a day will undo the damage inflicted on the African woman by the western media for 365 days.Dumb double head every day should be allotted to building the confidence of our wives/ girlfriends and daughters that nothing is as beautiful as an African woman with her natural looks. You'd be better served though if you can start with Nomvula Mokonyane and the ugly Angie Motshega to dump their weaves and fake hair. Then flight them on your propaganda SABC television channels as an example of what African beauty is. Your battle will be half way won. On second thought, don't use Angies image that would undo what has to be achieved. I don't think there is any young woman who would like to look like Blade Ndzimande.Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju-1
Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@KushesheI agree with 2-head on the advise to stop taking family issues to religious leaders because there are many fake preachers out there. I suppose msholozi burnt his fingers when he consulted bishop Zondo!!
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As a matter of fact, Zuma is a pastor he was ordained the I think before he became or in the first couple of months in presidency, what does this say about him as a religious leader?
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MommaC
I presume all the men here, who are agreeing with this foolishness, have full beards and have never had a haircut in their lives ?
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MissBhakajuju-1
Zuma is just a plain old i.di.ot...... no words 2 describe, this Boy !!!Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
MissBhakajuju-1 Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Insulting YOUR president would get you no-where. as far as you and other idiots on this commentary, JZ has no rigth to express his views, irrespective of whether they suit your 'holier-than-thou' views, or not. Freedom of speech is enshrined in our CONSTITUTION. Live with it, or go and make Malema babies in Zim
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somaartakeit
MommaCI presume all the men here, who are agreeing with this foolishness, have full beards and have never had a haircut in their lives ?
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fortunately they are a handful so the SAn gender equality desk and feminist in SA must be doing fantastic job to breakthrough these chauvinistic mentalities.
@Skwamasabele whilst we respect freedom of speech zuma need to learn and respect gender equality and freedoms associated with such one of which being choice, a woman has a right to chose whether to skin lighten or put fake hairs, above all he must not preach to us, he should talk to the females in his family who all seem to be faked hair and skin bleached his opinion maybe counts to them not to the rest of us.
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@ skwamasamabelehamba uyofunxa i pinca yakhe, sdenge ndini !!! no one said he should not talk, but YOUR double headed Prez, is always commenting on petty issues, I know he's plain s.t.u.pid... but as for the Creams & Hair, He should leave that for Shwashwi Column, Kuli Roberts etc...
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MommaC
skwamasamabeleHe is the President of our country. He has not got the same right to freedom of speech that we do. If I make a bad statement, it is MY opinion. If the President makes a statement then it is on behalf of the entire country. If he doesn't want that kind of responsibility then he shouldn't have accepted the position.
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Kusheshe
@somaartakeit! Waitse you are right! I totally forgot te man was ordained by charismatic pastors and laid hands on by ray McCauley! If I remember correctly the bible warns not to lay hands on anyone for the sake of laying hands! I think Paul told timothy in the new testament! I wonder eat Kenneth Meshoe would say about this cos I've never heard that man rebuke his fellow pastors who are in media for all the wrong reasons! So za is renouncing his spiritual office!! Well, good for him.... Religious leaders are no better, no different and certainly the pulpit doesn't deserve their presence. But I bet you come 2014, you'll see how many churches will be vying for pastor zuma's presence at their church to win elections... Mcccm!!Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Some people must accept that they still growing so they wont understand these things that's all.Report Abuse
Miss.Realistic
I can't believe this ignorant person actually said these things. Since when does it mean that if a woman wanted to take care of herself and her body and make herself attractive, she wants to be white? Since when is it "not right" for a woman to be single? Since when is owning a pet, loving it and taking care of it is not in a black man's culture? They say you can tell the heart of a man by the way he treats his animals. I find this speech reeks of double standards,racism and a slap in the face of women everywhere. Please tell us, Mr Zuma if you abhor the white culture so much, why are you living the life? Why don't you go back to your African culture and African roots and don your animal skins. Give your fancy cars and mansions to your brothers who appreciate advancement in life and go back to your mud hut and donkey cart. Give your cellphones, laptops and all your technology to the young generation of Africans who are not living in the past and move on. Remember, wheelchairs and lawnmowers are also part of this evil white culture.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MissBhakajuju-1Li Sende lento ayithethayo... sbhanxa, se xhego eline jwabe elide.
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thenubianqueen
RE MATHATENG SHEM.. another term.. this man is a tru symbol of stupidity.. JUJU was right..O DOMReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Kusheshe, the only ppl who are supporting Zuma have same values, morals as him, McCauley is white version of Zuma, thankfully for white SAns they are not religiously indoctrinated ie they don't need/use church as much as black folk do so they can completely cut off any association or influence of ppl like McCauley in their communities. Unfortunately for majority of us as we are indoctrinated into believing that we should question authority even when that authority doesn't bother to disguise his being devious, such as that mboro person and pastor Zuma here,it is only us black ppl who can call these ppl leaders and even spiritual leaders I put that down to indoctrination of not questioning authority, authority which is manipulated and abuse to our disadvantage. Anyway worse is still to come, as the post Manguang pirates are now set to silence the voice of the youth, Zuma said the youth will be dealt with, I wonder who is next on the line after they successfully silence the youth or re-indoctrinate and brainwashed them into surrendering their future to them for squandermentation.Report Abuse
sabzero12
Just because you don’t like the guy doesn’t mean everything he says is wrong, if you look at his daughters they have natural hair and they look beautiful ekseni , emini nantambama.Report Abuse
1Mhlonitjhwa
Some people are plain stupidd, how come u say Zuma is not your Pres. bt at the same time you call yourself a proudly SAn? And you even dance to his tunes like e.toll and other things? Nxa, ubuthingithingi bunengi lakuSowetan yaz.Report Abuse
gops
Bring on the 2014 Nationals Polls. Every time the Showerman say something I feel like vomiting. The man is scared to face trial.Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju-1
@ somaartakeithey lala... uyitye kamnandi phofu i Christmas sana lwam ?? Ngaphandle nje, kweli sende lingu zuma, li nya ngomlomo... uyakundi xolela wethu, ngangentlamba ezi... lo tata sisi menqe maan !!! LOL
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somaartakeit
@NubianQueen, did you not know that Zuma will always remove competition as he sees it as threat? We used to think that Juju was not smart but Zuma superceeds that, he has to outdo everyone in everything NEGATIVE within the anc, even there was corruption under both Madiba and TM, but both leaders were not behaving as if its a normal thing to be corrupt, ie they were not arrogant about being corrupt and demanded respect for being corrupt in fact they never stand on the podium and demanded respect from their subjects. When critics were leveled at them they took them on their stride in TM's case he sought to make his views know to all by his weekly writing on that news letter published on anc's website, Madiba was humble, everyone felt they had to give him respect on the basis of his humbleness,uZuma is just an arrogant corrupt fool who is always putting his spokesperson in conflict with the public as he has to clarify his BS comments, I don't think which is most offensive ie, his singing or comments.../Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju-1
@ gopsLOL.....hahahahahaha....
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imfene
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe"21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar."
This man is on form today. Thankyou. A thing to consider is that since 1800, and especially in the last 40 years, the world's population has grown huge, and the days of my culture, his culture are coming to an end rapidly.
The thing of the media, is that they will take things entirely out of context and the mood that it was said in, twist it, and then print something that has no relationship to what was said. On the other hand Zuma is like a chameleon who says different things to different audiences (to keep a fragile country together), but the downside of this is that we are directionless. That makes people unhappy.
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somaartakeit
@MsBhaka hallo my African princess:-) eyam ibimnandi nyani quite but great, I wish you the best new year ever, sucaphuka gqithi ngulozuma ndini cause kuzoba easy ukuphuma esporweni and its not worth it sana:-) wena stick to the facts publicly known, dont' give him reasons to instruct Sowetan to close down this forum by insulting him, I hope uya understander what I am trying to say:-)Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
MommaC- Its alright for you, you are not a victim of corporate mentality (skin enlightning companies). These companies are preying on vulnerable women, and ruin their appearences. I saw what these creams do to women when I was growing up in Soweto. Whatever, JZ's comments may be of public interest, he still has a right to voice his opinions, he is our first Citizen.MissBhakajuju-1 hamba uyofunxa i pinca yakhe.
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Your profession is not public interest, try and keep it private.
Sommartakeit- You are one reason why SA is such a vindictive society. Most of the time you try and convince anyone who cares to listen about your convictions. Next thing you'd be calling for JZ to be shot because of his warped views. nc nc nc!!
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Folondishi
skwamasamabeleFondoloshi- Since when is applying skin burning lotions make a woman beautiful?? muppet. You are not worthy to marry my sisters, concentrate on taking your ARVs
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@ skwamasamabele - Thanks I don't necessarily have to. I'll take a shower instead. Now i get it, is that what you tell your white chick about us blacks? that you are the only black who is not on ARVs and that the rest of us are immoral? No wonder you sing the same tune like your shower head prez. You are a disgrace to the black community and you deserve to be bleached.
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imfene
skwamasamabeleFreedom of speech and freedom of choice (within reasonable prescribed laws) go together. Hopefully most people respect those freedom for others.
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somaartakeit
skwamasamabeleSommartakeit- You are one reason why SA is such a vindictive society. Most of the time you try and convince anyone who cares to listen about your convictions. Next thing you'd be calling for JZ to be shot because of his warped views.
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Tjo thanks man I didn't know if I had such power and influence lol
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Kusheshe
@ somaartakeitNext in line and I kid you not, it's affirmative action! I foresee zuma's call for women to stay at home and be dutiful mothers and wives. I predict he may call for investments in eskamel as a preferred facial cream! Guptas may even see an opportunity there to bring Indian manufactured primer stoves for households. Zuma's is taking us to cavemen days!! Very soon he'll start saying virgins must surrender their virginity to their fathers!
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MommaC
skwamasamabeleI honestly don't think that skin lightening creams should be available without a prescription. They are very harmful. Having said that, there are women all over the world who have skin lightening done in beauty salons (in some of the most unusual places!). That doesn't explain why hair extensions should be villified
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MissBhakajuju-1
@ somaartakeitgreat news my darling.... uyandicaphukisa maan, after all S.A has been through, the Tears zo Mama, no Tata bethu, for i Freedom.... after good Governance by Mabiba & Zizi, now he always makes sure 2 focus on issues that won't even build one single person, let alone the country.... thanx 4 the advice, nono I always try 2 contain myself, but nje ezinye izinto haykhona.... thats why I don't like reading articles with his name on, its always destined for dissapointment 2 MY Country S.A...
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Garanteni
Somaar still going on?? mama mia, bathathe somaar bathathe, nangulona, hayibona, wama yekelúsbora thina siyayhlokolozaReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Kusheshe I for one stopped taking anc serious when they carried out a bloodless coup without due care to the stability of the country economy and otherwise and present us this dumbo as a president whose only claim to presidency is abusing his blackmailing material against his peers incl Madiba to become president, we must never forget how he told anc leaders (Madiba was still active at the time) that if goes to jail (for armdeal scandal) he will take the whole lot down with him, immediately after that Madiba endorsed his presidency and for that Madiba was rewarded with Winnie ministerial position and Mandla's 2 salaries as chief and minister, it goes to show that anc is an organisation of corrupt individuals who have taken our country to ransom and treating tax payers as if they were their piggy banks, question is what does Zuma have over the entire anc leadership that they succumbed after the threat about armsdealscandal, that is what I am interested to know, and how many of them are involved and how far are they involved ie did they personally benefit?Report Abuse
imfene
somaartakeit"uZuma is just an arrogant corrupt fool who is always putting his spokesperson in conflict with the public as he has to clarify his BS comments, I don't think which is most offensive ie, his singing or comments"
If he, his clan is thinking this,many are, since he knows his audiencs.
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Garanteni
Naaiman
The idiotic president thinks setting aside a day will undo the damage inflicted on the African woman by the western media for 365 days.Dumb double head every day should be allotted to building the confidence of our wives/ girlfriends and daughters that nothing is as beautiful as an African woman with her natural looks. You'd be better served though if you can start with Nomvula Mokonyane and the ugly Angie Motshega to dump their weaves and fake hair. Then flight them on your propaganda SABC television channels as an example of what African beauty is. Your battle will be half way won. On second thought, don't use Angies image that would undo what has to be achieved. I don't think there is any young woman who would like to look like Blade Ndzimande.
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so much truth in these comment, the damage was done ages ago, setting one day aside in our attempt to correct what True Love Magazine, Top Billing continue to indoctrinate every week will demand more than just a day.
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skwamasamabele
MommaC- That doesn't explain why hair extensions should be villified---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I fully agree there, even Cheryl Cole is a big fan. These creams have been banned in Europe in the 90s, as they contain a harmful chemical called Hydroqinone and some also contain traces of HCL. Its like using DDT on your face. JZ's other comments about women needing to have babies, its not only prehistoric, but also shows why most Zulu men are neanderthals (and I am Zulu as well, semi-neanderthal, though). I just cherry-pick (remember that?? lol) what he says, and discard the rest. Women are progressing and wont go back to caveman enslavement, so JZ is blowing hot air.
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@imfeneKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
"21st century didnt change who we're we still african Somaar."
This man is on form today. Thankyou. A thing to consider is that since 1800, and especially in the last 40 years, the world's population has grown huge, and the days of my culture, his culture are coming to an end rapidly.
The thing of the media, is that they will take things entirely out of context and the mood that it was said in, twist it, and then print something that has no relationship to what was said. On the other hand Zuma is like a chameleon who says different things to different audiences (to keep a fragile country together), but the downside of this is that we are directionless. That makes people unhappy.
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Ofcourse generation of today has no direction the reason they pick whatever they encounter,the only solution is seek their roots, since is very evident that they've lost them and they must try to learn about humanity of Africans.
Our humanity as Africans has nothing to do with their education/western life these two are not the same they confuse them.
"You are on form too"P
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wendyyah
hayi kodwa Zuma, wena ubona ku right wearing animal skin ?? what about those animals who died so u can have that skin u wear each time u bring another women into ur already big familyReport Abuse
Kusheshe
When I saw madiba notes, I knew it was time to be scared as a south African. My fellow south Africans now is the best time to buy yourselves mekhukhus in zim, Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana and Zambia plus Namibia etc. since le le di clever prepare for being refugees. Instead of arriving in another country e be le squatta as foreigners, buy properties there and you can always take your last R10k with you converted into those local currencies and live as zim skhothanes!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Naaiman Zuma is not doing anything or setting aside for benefit of anyone, more than he is trying to make himself relevant, unfortunately for him he choses bad/tasteless topics which don't contribute to nation building, or like him did you think attacking white SAns about everything perceived to be wrong in black communities is going to help us with nation building? Zuma is a black version of Verwoerd is playing on the racial disharmony for his political advantage, Verwoerd used 'swaartgevaar' to keep his subjects completely under his thumb Zuma today is using witgevaar but he is not smart to make his accusations stick, instead is earning himself ridicule for being a political dumbo of this century, cause most African black women especially, laugh about him and his idiotic remarks, other african intellectuals see him as Africa's regression, they feel sad for us SAns for allowing this to happen.BTW somebody please tell Zuma his politics are so outdated, even Americans are now adopting politics of HOPE instead of politics of fear, cause everyone now using information easily available and accessible is wondering what is that the leaders want to protect us from? and those searching hard enough they know that these leaders like Zuma pushing politics of fear (of a boogeyman/terrorists etc) are only using this to keep us distracted from what we should be asking to deliver to us as part of their mandate.
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Garanteni
Some of the comments are funny and I am loving them, people are hellbent to defend their use of fake something something, and they think who ever dares express any dislike deserve to be stoned to death, but truth is even keeping your african hair, it gives no one any licence to be unclean while hiding behind being natural, my guess is that those who take much offence in such statement is because it hits closer to home, and they depended too much on such fake wara wara to look rather "beautiful".Report Abuse
MommaC
skwamasamabeleI hope it is just hot air. If half of his ideas become reality then women are in for a tough time in SA.
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MissBhakajuju-1
Laptops, Spactacles, Range Rovers, Italian Suits, Briefcases, Money, Cellphones.... all W.h.ite man's invention, who ever makes use of such & shouts about w.h.ites/b.la.ck culture this & that story, is a m.o.ron. Qha ke !!!Report Abuse
imfene
somaartakeit"somebody please tell Zuma his politics are so outdated, even Americans are now adopting politics of HOPE instead of politics of fear,"
The majority of the worlds population is not there yet, and many peoples only know fear. In fact the majority of thoughts have a fear as a basis. So there is no such thing as politics of hope.
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Kusheshe
@somaarZuma's hold on ANC is simply hidden in the dungeons of secrets of the struggle! Has anyone ever asked if these stalwarts underwent counseling when ANC was unbanned? Look at the divisions of ANC... How m any people have come out to say this isnt the ANC they know? And how many more are quick to descend with violence on them defending zuma? Ba tsebelana batho ba! A crocodile knows a hippo because they both live under water where no one sees what they do and they still live on land where they want to be seen in good light. Zuma and his enemies within ANC are hippos and crocodiles. I've always asked gore how was it possible for a 27 year prison confined man who came out of prison looking more frail than Oliver tambo who was fit and healthy, yet the man in prison was elected president and not Oliver tambo who marched in 1966 together with Luthuli detachment to fight against sandf, zdf. Oliver tambo marched and crossed Zambezi river with Chris Hani as commander. Next thing ANC is unbanned and the prison lot becomes an alliance against the lot that did live in exile? Walter was in prison with Mandela akere? Masisulu meanwhile formed UDF akere? Leadership ya ANC in 1994 was more UDF-robben island aligned than the exiled!! Once you start from there, you can go deep to uncover the rot of sabotage in the ANC. Then you can start asking gore ke nnete OR na lwala naa or was he poisoned so someone could take his presidency as the preferred popular statesman??
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somaartakeit
and btw Naaiman, here is a little gift to show and other zuma follows of politics of the 21st century and 21st century leadership ideas. Hopefully this vid will help you look out for the features suggested in the vid when you chosing leaders and most importantly what to expect from your leaders, that way we prevent possibility of president discussing women's vanity and blaming it on white ppl, instead we get leaders to focus on what leaders should be doing, ie LEAD EFFECTIVELY.http://www.ted.com/talks/patrick_awuah_on_educating_leaders.html
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skwamasamabele
Imfene- Freedom of speech and freedom of choice (within reasonable prescribed laws) go together. Hopefully most people respect those freedom for others.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, my brother, you are right. Did you enjoy your christmas??
@Folondishi--Thanks I don't necessarily have to. I'll take a shower instead. Now i get it, is that what you tell your white chick about us blacks? that you are the only black who is not on ARVs and that the rest of us are immoral? No wonder you sing the same tune like your shower head prez. You are a disgrace to the black community and you deserve to be bleached.
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You insulted me first, neglecting the argument in hand. I give as much as I take. nothing more nothing less. She is not my white chick, She's my wife (my babies' mother)
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somaartakeit
@Kusheshe its interesting what you ask/suggest that Oliver Tambo might have been poisoned to keep him off track, cause there is a rumour that inner circles of the anc were pleased when Chris Hani was murdered cause apparently the anc was going to break away with Hani, Winnie, Mokaba forming a new party which was more militant as the Robben Islanders were seen as softies who have sold out, I imagine it must have come as a relief that awb induced guy did the killing and not them, but in as as his (Hani) ambitions were concerned he was a threat to them and we all know anc doesn't does suffer competetion gladly, also it is interesting for me that how ppl who were in exile and prison how they managed to accumulate so much wealth for themselves in such a short space of time? The plot thickens.../Report Abuse
imfene
skwamasamabeleNgiyabonga baba.
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Zimzalabam1
Mac Maharaj has just faxed that the Prseident was miss quoted and quoted out of context by the journalist.Didnt see that coming did i.........You have a difficult job Mr.MaharajReport Abuse
somaartakeit
btw Garanteni, most here don't care about discussions about cosmetics and hair care but what we object to is to be told by a fool like Zuma that by doing makeup and hair we are trying to be like whites when his existance is surrounded by whiteman trimmings, even his daughter from his second marriage her wedding stuff was designed overseas by a white designer in all of anc's events they used important from whiteman's countries from drinks to the suits and shoes they were, so who exactly is this man to make these remarks? if he wants to make remarks like that and expect to be taken seriously, he should relinquish the whiteman trimmings he has surrounded himself with, the merc and the bms him and his sons and wives use are white invention, the electricity in his house, the beds the fridge the glasses he uses to sip from 'Scottish Whisky' btw did you know that Scottish Whisky comes from Sottland whiteman's country? the truth of the matter Zuma like most of his black male peers aspire to be like a whiteman, cause without a whiteman's inventions to make him look superior like a INGAMLA he is NOTHING, even for sexing all of his shags he needs a whiteman viagra and a whiteman's shower to rinse himself of aids/hiv after sexing an infected person.Report Abuse
YNOTY
ShowerHead's comments are idio't'ic...even a child can't make such stup'it comments.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Zimzalabam1Mac Maharaj has just faxed that the Prseident was miss quoted and quoted out of context by the journalist.Didnt see that coming did i.........You have a difficult job Mr.Maharaj
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Maharaj is lying just like Zuma just he liked that he also benefitted from the armsdeal corruption money so I will believe the journo more than I believe Maharaj or zuma as I have to evidence that that the journo lied or lies as a way of life like Maharaj and Zuma are doing as part of their lifestyles.
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!#Sinudeity#!
LOL, ole Jacob showing the public why he's a dumb@ss... Preaching race-unity at Mangaung, and then making stupid comments such as these...Preaching ubuntu, as if the man himself and his cultural practises has done much to help the poor... What a hypocrite.
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MommaC
Oh dear!According to old Mac, our dear President was just trying to 'de-colonise' our minds.
Maybe he should de-tribalise and de-misogynise his own mind first!
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Mzigo
Wow! Msholozi this is the kind of topics we need to debate as black,probably we'll see the light thus being unchained.I see the topic is very touch to my fellow Africans,keep it coming Msholozi.If we can remove emotions and hatred of Zuma and look to the subject in his speech that will be the worth covered distance
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skwamasamabele
YNOTY- People are not just critsizing JZ because on his caveman ideas. They are showing their vitriol because he is their president, and corrupt. Mangaung was a slap in the face of most of his advesaries. If he wanted to put it into a statute book, then I would have been offended. Why cant people just ignore him?? I am sure there are more pressing issues affecting women than to think about making babies (as he suggests). He is always putting his size 15 in it, but not controvesialReport Abuse
Kusheshe
Hence we only have ourselves to blame for voting hippos and crocodiles in power. We are their pawns in this political game. We sold our souls to them hoping fora better life but unbeknown to us we enriched people's wallets!! If we don't change 2014 then we might as well call for Jesus Christ to come in 2014 if zuma and his tadpoles will be elected by ignorant south Africans.Report Abuse
Garanteni
@Somaar finaly we agreeing on something , lets forget the fake hair, nails, beauty cream, etc debate and concentrate on his political acumen, there I wouldnt have much to offer in his defence, I personally wouldnt vote for his party, I will still decide who to vote for, plus I am enjoying the conspiracy theories you and Kusheshe are arousing, it seems there is much brewing in that "broad church".Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
Kusheshe-If we don't change 2014 then we might as well call for Jesus Christ to come in 2014 if zuma and his tadpoles will be elected by ignorant south Africans.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you have a longer wait than 2014 for Jesus. South Africans believe change should happen inside the NEC of the ANC to implement change. I cannot see many South Africans voting for other tin-pot parties in 2014 GE, other than the ANC. I think that idea of going to Zim and getting yourself umkhukhu might appeal to you. You should go for it, muppet, and dont come back
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somaartakeit
@Mzingo why does the president needs to use valuable time discussing hairstyles of women and their makeup preferences? is it because he has nothing better to do to advance the nation? The women to whom he is prescribe their dress-code and vanity are wives and girlfriends to other men and these men have no problem with this why is it problem for Zuma or is it because he thinks he is INKUNZI and as such is setting the stage of how females should dance to music? I don't need Zuma or any stray males to prescribe my dress-code or issues relating to vanity. That is my choice my make, its also his (which I respect) to show off his flabby tummy and wobbly legs when he is dancing in his traditional outfit which I find it to be primitive to say the least.Report Abuse
Mbeki_2
Eish - this shower-2heads is just saying these things so that you will all look the other way. Look at weaves and whitening creams and all the pinkies dogs and everything else BUT JUST as long as you DON''T look at Nkandlagate and the spy-tapes !!!Report Abuse
1Mhlonitjhwa
Blah blah blah blah all the way as if we care about these long comments, mxm!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Garanteni if Zuma discussed issues and provide/suggest solutions do you think everyone would have opportunity to be rude towards him? If you dress down women you must expect that the feminist are going to be hard on your case, its not the first time that women in this country have to take this crap from this man, anyway I've said, we don't address his flabby stomach and wobbly legs and the annoying clicks he makes when he speaks, and the fact that he doesn't nothing gracefully as the president should, who is he to tell what is right/wrong inasfar as women vanity/dress-code goes? He should stick to discussing national discourse and putting forward plans to put this country right and help dispel the myth he created that shower rinses off aids, just maybe some of us might try to be civil towards him. But show us his racist corrupt arrogant tendencies is no way to earn our respect.Report Abuse
Garanteni
Good People Enjoy your evening, its been a nice debate despite the emotions and hatred towards Msholozi, nna I dont hate the man, anything can still happen in the next coming two year, CIAO.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mbeki_2Eish - this shower-2heads is just saying these things so that you will all look the other way. Look at weaves and whitening creams and all the pinkies dogs and everything else BUT JUST as long as you DON''T look at Nkandlagate and the spy-tapes !!!
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In such few words you NAILED IT!
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skwamasamabele
Somaartakeit-I don't need Zuma or any stray males to prescribe my dress-code or issues relating to vanity. That is my choice my make, its also his (which I respect) to show off his flabby tummy and wobbly legs when he is dancing in his traditional outfit which I find it to be primitive to say the least-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(LOL) One man's food is another woman's poison. Well put, though
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Kusheshe
@ Garanteni,I was enlightened when reading a book umkhonto we size by thula bopela and daluxolo Luthuli... I was intrigued by its subheading; FIGHTING FOR A DIVIDED PEOPLE. it was then that I realised this ANC which people are proud to be breastfed from is a monster that we must be very afraid of. The only way we can defeat it is by voting a credible party for all races. As much as we can refer to our past history's dubulibunu moments, let's face it, do we have any alternative liberation movement that we can vote in power? I don't think so? And secondly, in this age we are living in, do we still need liberation movements? Can we honestly say there is presently a party that can represent south Africans on race, creed and language without casting aspersions of sinister tactics that we may feel its ok to ignore only to regret later? Or better yet? Are we truly ready for a multiracial party that represents our interests?
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Snetch
They donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other and prefer other....
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imfene
Snetch"and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other "
Don't speak for others or generalise with all this supposed hate. I believe the majority don't hate.
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madimetsha
@MzigoWow! Msholozi this is the kind of topics we need to debate as black,probably we'll see the light thus being unchained.
I see the topic is very touch to my fellow Africans,keep it coming Msholozi.If we can remove emotions and hatred of Zuma and look to the subject in his speech that will be the worth covered distance
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i bet my last R2-.56 that if this was said by say Nelson MAndela, it would not have received such a negative publicity, infact the hair industry would have lost a few million rands in business...............
this is about decolonising the mind of the African, which many of us are in denial, however we are still colonised, we get re-assurance of our relevance by trying to impersonate other people...
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imfene
madimetshaI don't believe Mr. Mandela would be speaking on this level of topic. He was a more intelligent person .
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somaartakeit
SnetchThey donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.
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skwamasamabele
Snetch-They donate for rhinos; spend money on technology that teachers dogs how to drive cars, in 10 months a black South African male will be instinct..you watch the space…lets keep on pretending as if we don’t see or get what Zuma is talking about.and ja fact whitte pple hate blacks"South African Blacks" and us blacks we hate each other and prefer other....
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Whatever you've been drinking and smoking over the festive, make that a one off. You've written drivel and you run the risk of unleashing Sinudeity, SOLUTIONS and Oldlady12's wrath on all of us. Some of us are nursing ibhabhalazi. If men become extinct, everything would be gone by then. Men are responsible for all inventions, wars and poverty, they will be responsible for humankind's demise as well.
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somaartakeit
@Madimentsha to compare Zuma to Madiba is downright INSULT whilst they are (were) both leaders of this corrupt dinosour organisation, at least Madiba knew his limits, that's why he stepped down after his first term, unlike Zuma who doesn't know/understand his limits he wants to be president of SA forever by hook and crook and before you say to me that he is only going to be in office for his second term, originally he wanted to be president ONLY once but now he wants second term, so what is to say he will want ot step down after his second term? considering that he has no qualms using his blackmailing material to be president?Report Abuse
Kusheshe
@skwama...You are so wrong to think that ANC change in the NEC is what will make South Africa a better place for all! As it is you lit in the NEC have started plotting your downfalls. You are all sold to a spirit of sabotage. You wake up from little sleep wondering which tender to rig! Do you think adding a few names on the NEC cleans out corruption when that very new NEC is newly launched hungry hyena that's about to loot the rest of government coffers? What makes you think your NEC will make AG reports give clean bills to government departments on spending, PFMA compliance? You sound like either a hippo or a crocodile with your NEC folks. You all live under water and you know the plots you make! That is why mo botlatleng ba lona you lost potchefstroom municipality because of your plots!! That us why we will not waist our votes in 2014 to vote ANC in power and if ANC does get voted in Power in 2014, you will suffer parliament constituency. Two thirds majority lebalang ka yona. Every rot must decompose and tat is where ANC is heading to, without any assistance of white people's divide and rule game. You are a self destructing organization whose marital bed is defiled by greed, whose brains are devoid of sanity! You are no longer the Christian party whose founders were teachers and preachers of the Word Of God, otherwise known as baruti! Hence it's easy for msholozi to say stop seeking advise from religious leaders forgetting the very party he heads was formed on principles of religion, particularly Christianity. John langalibalele dube long stopped turning in his grave. I'm pretty sure he interceded with the Almighty to let ANC self-destruct to compose. A day is coming wen ANC will be a has been.
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MommaC
SnetchDon't tik and type doll.
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somaartakeit
@Kusheshe there is absolutely no hope to change the anc from the NEC given that JackDaniel Mthembu's name is that list as well, the anc are desperate, fortunately the opposition parties are working hardest to win SAns the day and help us get rid of these corrupt dumb@sses who have put our country on the verge of being corrupt and even if the opposition were to win in the up coming elections, they are going to need a bloody miracle to fix the theft of resources and the gaping hole they leave in the country as tax payers pockets alike,Report Abuse
Zabaragast
Poor Maharaj. Howz he gonna spin this one i wonder.Report Abuse
imfene
In any case,as far as changing one's clothes, hair dos, etc. for appearence, I like Msholozi"s skins. Very kinky.Report Abuse
Kusheshe
Le teng @ skwamasamabele,when you say south Africans o bua ka 4000 delegates? 4000 delegates are not majority south Africans. And don't forget that ANC muti known as slate which saw the demise of men and women of integrity who were sidelined to vote in tender hungry BEC, ZEC, REC, PEC, who represent their interests. If you want to see how black hate each other, go attend a BGM. Can we ask ANC if it has a statistics reports of comrades who were assassinated since zuma came into power? I mean politically motivated deaths in all the nine provinces? ANC kills those who speak against its rot! They are forced against their will to meet the Maker. O tshabe motho ha ntshiwa dijo ganong! You meet the Maker unprepared, without proper farewell to family. This is the ANC we know. The only reason you speak for zuma is because he is sympathetic to the corrupted. You are shielded under zuma to loot anywhere you like. I mean ask mr motshweneng of sabc. He is not a member of any ANC branch but when he coughed up and cleared his throat asking for zuma instead of tissue, he got untouchable immediately!! So indulge me my learned friend, which change are the new breed of hyenas bringing on the table for south Africans to follow blindly?Report Abuse
Snetch
lets keep pretending...Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Kusheshe LOVL at anc muti of slates, I still can't comprehend that this is day and age of technology anc are suing slates to vote, its hilarious actually, but then they have to accommodate for their president who himself ended his education in the slate era, lolWRT men of integrity sidelined by the 'anc-slaters' I think Mothlante brought this unto himself, he never once did he show ppl that was interested to be elected instead he chose to keep his card closer to his chest ito his intentions, that means he was not committed or sure if he can be a better leader, as for Tokyo totally undeserving against someone like Rampahosa at least all of Ramaphosa's BEE accumulations are standing and going strong, apparently some of Tokyo's BEE accumulations are being liquidated or on the verge of being closed down, I mean there is n o hope for Tokyo if he can manage to lose election against a guy who put more value to a bull than the lives of his brothers. the bull was priced at 18mil whilst 34 Marikane miners had to share amongst their surviving members 2mil, now my friends if Verwoerd is watching from some place he must saying to himself, the anc are doing to their own even better than I did.../
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Kusheshe
Signal problems... 13 km from off ramping to the village for new year celebrations! Lovely chatting, everyone!!Report Abuse
Osirus
Even though i can see the point he trying to make i see many african girls wearing straight blonde wigs they can only want to look like a european wearing that' and remember that a large majority of us do worship those too white! men called jesus and jehovah' he should of mentioned that madness to.But i cannot help but find the so called President Jacob Zuma an absolute joak and hypocrite! when he lets WHITE! european dutch immigrants run entirely the infrastructure of a BLACK! African country..
What a big joak we black africans must look going in to 2013
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Danisqo
so this idiot should be living in caves wearing animal skins, using rivers as a shower, checking the sun for the time, riding horses to the meetings, he should not have adopted the other cultural living ways, he shows what a moron he really isReport Abuse
MasheleJ
Now ol’ Jacob’s really talking my language! This is prolly a sly introduction to the basic National Development Plan. What a clever politician!All these fancy trappings and whitey values shouldn’t be envied and emulated by wide eyed Africans.
And just what do they want parliamentary procedures and robust homes with lightning conductors for?
We got along for thousands of years without motor-cars, cell ‘phones, flat screen TVs - indeed we don’t even need the SABC.
And not to mention tarmac roads, universities, medical research and expensive whiskies.
Away with tampons, eye-glasses, fashion apparel, and all forms of electronic devices!
Close the airports, harbours, scrap the railways - they only a blot on the landscape anyway!
A cleft stick or talking-drums was good enough for my great, great grand father - none of this internet nonsense required - we be sooooo much better off without these accoutrements!
So lets hear it for Afrocentric ideology - and lets rid ourselves of everything that don’t spring from the African culture.
Make your slogan “WE GONNA REGESS 400 HUNNERT YEARS ” and live by it.
Wheeeeeeeeeee!
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zumalicious
What about some of ur wives who are always on weaves, brazilians wearing mini skirts? What culture is that? Preach these to ur wives be4 vomiting out of ur house!Report Abuse
defacto69
Well well well ...AT LAST "you people are seeing the light ! "" - - Now you have a taste of African stupidity that we Whites live with all day long .And that is not a racist comment - JUST FACT
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Njongozethu
The man is completely BARKING mad. Typical of the dinosaur, with dinosaur ideas in a party of dinosaurs.Report Abuse
Djembe
238 comments already wow Msholozi you have a big fan club, they pretend to hate you but they stll read about you. When people hate leadership they don't even bother to read about it but these comments above show that most of the sowetan readers are interested in knowing what you say. Long msholozi long live... Wigs and straighten hair are disgusting. Its a sign of not knowing who you are! I've never seen indians or whites trying to be blacks or Africans though they are born in Africa. I've seen some of our sisters wearing a wig and a hat on top of it isn't this confusion?Report Abuse
Djembe
Whether some of you think Zuma has know clue about women, most women who are proud to be black adore him look for yourself the support he got from the womens league. Only "goodbye my nation" think like some of the above. About animals he is again right, how does someone prefers to hug and kiss a dog when they can't even shake a hand of a fellow countryman. Mr President what you SAID IS 100% CORRECT. Let them say whatever...Report Abuse
Riekie
I think Zuma is underestimating the black people in our country's intelligence. Is his wife's not wearing wigs. Did he not build himself a modern compound and he used to stay in a mud hut? If I was black I would have been offended by this uneducated man. Is he trying to racially divide people in this country?Report Abuse
TheNewFreedomFighter
More vile, divisive racism spewing from a corrupt empty vessel. I have no problem if he promotes his own culture, but why is it always at the expense of other people's culture. This man is a danger to society. He is openly racist. He is the President of SA. Shame on you ANC!If anyone thinks this kind of stupid comment is going to help us solve the racist, economic and social problems in SA then they must be as stupid and simple minded as Zuma. Instead, we stand more divided this moring and any investor will wonder at the wisdom of making an investment when the president of the country has just made such a racist remark.
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oldlady12
To all the men who defended JZ's utterances on how women should look, thinking they're also defending their culture, please go learn a bit more about your real culture. In the black culture, men never commented or decided on women's stuff. A group of older women took care of such matters. What this group decided was accepted by men, and it was this group who would guide and teach the younger generation. No man would have dared to disagree with anything this group of women decided. For JZ to comment on female matters is probably the most uncultural thing he has done in a long time.Report Abuse
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MaboyaMaAfrika
1st Its the dogs and its the hair really.......Report Abuse
Mule
So, is my president trying to say that white people lack humanity?Report Abuse
Zenzelisto
zuma is just plain stupid, klaar.Report Abuse
Hadebe
You go President, some people hate the truth, and that will not help anyone.....Report Abuse
oldlady12
hadebe...."You go President"...... best advice anyone has given him ever.Report Abuse
Zenzelisto
HadebeYou go President, some people hate the truth, and that will not help anyone.....
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quick question since when did woman hair style form part and parcel of the presidencies mandate?
Or is he now an aspiring hair-dresser, I figure if his so concerned about remaining black, he should wear “Ibheshu” and a tie. wouldnt put it past him LOL
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Zenzelisto
oldlady12hadebe...."You GO President"...... best advice anyone has given him ever.
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LOL i concur.
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Charloo
He is just an ass nje..i will never like ZUMA...Report Abuse
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