Click-Baby
No women are allowed to comment here... *Men's tradition only*
I agreee,we dont expect any female to comment. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning) Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
mbaliwe
You mean the same female nurses who treat your sons and nephews, your brothers or even you, when that circumcision of yours has botched shud not comment here ? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
mbaliwe
You mean the same female nurses who treat your sons and nephews, your brothers or even you, when that circumcision of yours has botched shud not comment here ?
oldlady12
Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning)
The fact that it happened at "Initiation school" make it a men's tradition Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Ponko, in case you did not notice, young men have been stabbing each other at normal schools too the past few years. One even did a whole Samurai sword killing, so the fact that this happened at an initiation school is just a minor little detail, and not worth discussing. The new tradition of young men drinking and killing is cause for great concern. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ingxabano
Eyi they have copied Blade Nzimade'style of drinking during early hours. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MommaC
Alcohol at an initiation school !?!?!? WTF? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
It is alleged that they were drinking throughout the night.”
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Youve got to be kidding me................. Initiation schools have lost respect due to misfits Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
MommaC, is there still a place too sacred for alcohol abuse in SA today? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
And when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxm Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
Babedollz
And when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxm
Tsek and get out on our culture,why dont you blame the government thats has been over democratic, they gave rights to chldrens Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
''Police believed Malgas was stabbed during a fight over alcohol''
MADNESS Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
Just wanna know,nothing serious (with respect) Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
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#dead, cremated, ashes in the urn# by Clickponkotan ................ that is classic!!!
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra ok thank you sister. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ingxabano
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
Click-Baby, you're right. We have no respect for this kind of "manhood", and the only way to protect yourselves is to shut us up. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Click-Baby
@ Webteam/Sowetan
Please block further comments for this article.. This is total disrespect for manhood shown by these clueless females.. Nx!!
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Clueless.............. so now you want Sowetan to pull an SABC/MetroFM on us
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
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#dead, cremated, ashes in the urn# by Clickponkotan ................ that is classic!!!
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LOL Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
I take it some of the women commenting here have been to an initiation school and went the whole nine yards....because they comment as if they know what goes on at the mountain....pffftt....stop middling in mens stuff....habe...you dont find men talking about how hard it is to push that final push when giving birth (if there is even a thing called final push)....nxi Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
@Click-Baby I agree this is not worth news,really I now understand why the Anc needed Media tribunal.The journalist who reported this was sick nxa. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby
@ Webteam/Sowetan
Please block further comments for this article.. This is total disrespect for manhood shown by these clueless females.. Nx!!
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These victims are our children, our brothers, our cousins so we cant keep quiet
Ponko.Fontoyo
Babedollz
And when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxm
Tsek and get out on our culture,why dont you blame the government thats has been over democratic, they gave rights to chldrens
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*Yawning* thruth hurts dear Report Abuse
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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all of the above Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Click-Baby
Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
DeCock01, but when you read about a woman killing her baby just after giving birth, you comment. This article is not about initiation school. This article is about drunk young men killing each other. Unless, of course, you're saying getting drunk is the standard practice at initiation school. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BlessedGirl
@DeCock01
Are the women commenting here against:
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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The killing Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
Blocked
Click-Baby
Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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This is sowetan not sum men gathered in a krall discussing their clan. Get over it. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Blocked, and did you actually think for one moment any of the women commenting here care what you think? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
Ponko.Fontoyo
@Babedollz
Im not your dear
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Exactly knucklehead Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Babedollz, you tell them. If they can't stand the heat, they must get out of the kitchen. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady12
It seems like nationalisation is rearing its ugly head............. now they want nationalise the news for guys only?????
Funny how men always comment on women topics, last week they were having a field day about the Fish Eagle (vagi.nal odour) story and we never cahstised them or wanted them blocked. Report Abuse
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
Exactly most of them are women because they wear a dress and have that stinking thing.But they dont have a brain. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12
Babedollz, you tell them. If they can't stand the heat, they must get out of the kitchen.
Women....let me point you towards the right direction
being nosey sometimes leads you astray:
Killings happen everywhere and anywhere....schools, church, parks, roads, hospitals, work....etc
the fact that the killing happened at an initiation school has no bearing on the value and or purpose of initiation schools....the boys are not taught to drink and stab each other there...but moments of isolated madness happen everywhere...when the elders/leaders are not present...some boys forget what they were thought in the afternoon and especially under the influence...do things that do not go hand in hand with what is thought there
Its like you women installing discipline to your kids....but when you are not around...they use profanity, watch sexually explicit content...now, we cant blame the mothers and say "we hold no value in your parental skills" Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady12
It seems like nationalisation is rearing its ugly head............. now they want nationalise the news for guys only?????
Funny how men always comment on women topics, last week they were having a field day about the Fish Eagle (vagi.nal odour) story and we never cahstised them or wanted them blocked.
That's not a sensitive issue like initiation school.here we are guided by rules and regulations."Man to comment about women initiations" and the other way around. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Babedollz
oldlady12
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
Only mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Ponko, I'm a what.
MsKinky, they're so scared their dirty little secrets come out, that's why the nationalisation. However will they impress us if we find out that all they do there is drink and party, while all the time they've made us think it is this huge entry into manhood. ( I don't know why they call it manhood if they actually remove the hood, but that's men for you) Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
Blocked
Babedollz
oldlady12
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
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and your point being??????? You need to sit down and drop that sell by date ego. That we read this in sowetan dznt mean women mustn't comment. Report Abuse
DeKock, that's EXACTLY what the women have been saying. This is about the killing, not the initiation school. Maybe you should read all the comments before you respond.
Blocked, so your ego tells you, but it's lying.
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
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and your point being??????? You need to sit down and drop that sell by date ego. That we read this in sowetan dznt mean women mustn't comment.
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Madam, as usual. You're wasting your emotions on something that doesn't concern you. How d'umb could one be? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
Korea
Only mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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hahaaa well said brother. now let's hear how the mamparas responds to this bcs they will sure do. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Ponko, a what. I'm a what. What do you not understand? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Korea
@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Korea
Only mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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Trying to score points with women at the sacrifise of tradition is below desperate you filthy boy! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
Korea
Only mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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your boyish, juvenile, immature and senseless comment has been noted....and respected...as it is your democratic right
a clueless boy that has never been to the mountain and knows nothing about it has this view...because he speaks of something he has no clue about....but i wont entertain it here... Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
Korea
@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners.
Jou moer idiot,dont call a culture a "Stupid tradition". Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Blocked.."how dum.b can one be"....one woman can never be as dumb as you. 100 Dum.b women can never be as dum.b as you. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BlessedGirl
@Blocked
Click-Baby
Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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We dont need your respect but assurance that our brothers are safe in the mountain Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Korea
@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners.
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M0rons like you are worse than these lifeless women. You too are not worth being looked at. *spits @ your f@ce* Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12
Ponko, a what. I'm a what. What do you not understand?
Lol,then a What should also not comment about men's issue Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
oldlady12
DeKock, that's EXACTLY what the women have been saying. This is about the killing, not the initiation school. Maybe you should read all the comments before you respond.
Blocked, so your ego tells you, but it's lying.
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im sorry to burst your bubble sisi but how about you take the honour of reading the above posts...know what...in case you are more slow than you sound....let me offer you a hand...here is what another lady said which prompted me to clarify the matter:
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@DeCock01
Are the women commenting here against:
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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all of the above Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Korea
@DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
DeCock, oh, so Korea's comment is noted and respected due to it being his democratic right, yet you defile the democratic rights of the women on this forum. Report Abuse
@oldlady12
Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning)
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The man spoken please listen. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
DeKock, please look at the SEVENTH comment. The SEVENT comment here today was me telling people not to make this about initiation school. Specify then that you are talking about ONE woman, and not women as a collective. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
I also dont have a respect for women who think she knows everything.Culture (boys Initiation school) was meant for men not Women,but these days we have this stupid thing called democracy(50/50) that automatically turned women to interfer in everything.Cry our beloved country,dont know what will happen if SA can have a Woman president.Sies!!!! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
oldlady12
Blocked.."how dum.b can one be"....one woman can never be as dumb as you. 100 Dum.b women can never be as dum.b as you.
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Your contribution here as useless. If you still want to be regarded as a "lady" I suggest you rather go elsewhere! Report Abuse
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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We dont need your respect but assurance that our brothers are safe in the mountain
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Leave that to them they know how to sort things as men and the incedent happened not in the school.
We dont need your respect but assurance that our brothers are safe in the mountain
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sisi wam....a great of what happens in the mountain also depends on how well behaved your brother is.....the elders will do everything in their power to guide him...and show him the way...but if he has tendencies of drinking and disobedience like the boys mentioned in this article...then he disqualifies the assurance on his own accord Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Ponko.Fontoyo
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect.
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It is not rubbish, I was just enlightening .......... lebolo is a sotho word for initiation (in case you were lost in translation) Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Korea
@Blocked this lifeless women are like your mother who gave birth to you and brought you up, fed you, wiped your @ss and generally looked after you. I will respect women more than incibi. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Click-Baby
I warned you all about this article..
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Women will forever be victims. Thanks to their snooping around where it least involves them. As I said previously, I don't respect women like these commenting here! Report Abuse
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect.
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It is not rubbish, I was just enlightening .......... lebolo is a sotho word for initiation (in case you were lost in translation)
Was that necessary?How is it relevant to the article? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Korea
@Blocked this lifeless women are like your mother who gave birth to you and brought you up, fed you, wiped your @ss and generally looked after you. I will respect women more than incibi.
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That means nothing to me. M'sunu wenkwenkwe! (Google that sh!t if you don't know what it means) Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Click, you didn't warn. You stirred. Thank you. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12
Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course.
Definately you are not a man,you havent done any culture.
@Korea your day is coming,whether you like it or not, you will go to initiation school. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
oldlady12
DeKock, please look at the SEVENTH comment. The SEVENT comment here today was me telling people not to make this about initiation school. Specify then that you are talking about ONE woman, and not women as a collective.
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he hehe hehe....sisi wam...the more you comment...the slower you appear to be....no offense
my initial comment clearly said: To The "Women".....meaning every woman that commented here was entitled to answer that question...and MsKinkya did exactly that....
Now my response was to all women that answered my question....there were more than 3...you included....NOW...why do you want special treatment...? whats so special about you that you want to leave the others outside the topic...?? breath in and out...maybe you will comprehend a little bit better Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Korea
@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Korea
@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour.
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I think it's best you start talking to women now. Men are busy! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
Ponko, of course I'm not a man. I TOLD you I'm a what, and a what don't do culture. Especially not if culture means a piece of useless flesh between your legs gives you more rights than beings with useful flesh between the ears. Beings who want equality with men have no ambition. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course.
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Kakkakakkaka you mean little old babies.
oldlady12
Ponko, of course I'm not a man. I TOLD you I'm a what, and a what don't do culture. Especially not if culture means a piece of useless flesh between your legs gives you more rights than beings with useful flesh between the ears. Beings who want equality with men have no ambition.
Then go to hell and leave the culture alone. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
Korea
@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour.
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Point of correction: No one is brought up in the mountain....stop talking about things you know nothing of....you are exposing yourself as immature and idiotic...
you are right...men should repect women.... Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
It so strange that men who ar against women commenting are swearing at us .......... how noble and "gentlemanly" of them
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We're not swearing at anyone, but highlighting what needs to be respected that's all! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
IamAJ
I might sound a lil bit insensitive, but i do not pitty people that kill them selves with liquor, when one drinks liquor, even if it is just a lid, they are comiting suicide. more crimes are caused by this stupid alchohol, i know that many will defend it, but it is the reason to this moral decayed society.
i hate alcohol.
and i will begin to have a problem with anything that is associated with it. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
I can see that you are thnking with the other "head" hence you are so slow to comprehend that I have nothing against lebollo. I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding)
I think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
Babedollz
All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that.
Definately you are an idiot, the term inkwenkwe was meant for certain people (those who follow tradition),if you dont follow tradition it does not apply to you.You see we can respect those who dont do this culture,we expect the same . Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BrothaX
I think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these boys are being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Babedollz
All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that
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You imb!cle. Korea is thinking through his dead foresk!n, that's why he's talking c'rap that you cl'ueless women want to hear! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
DeKock, your initial comment was about women commenting here clearly having been to initiation school. Already there you lost track that women were actually commenting on the drinking and killing, and typical male, made it all about you and your precious initiation. If I appear slow to you, stop smoking that boom.
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
I can see that you are thnking with the other "head" hence you are so slow to comprehend that I have nothing against lebollo. I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding)
With respect dont generalise ,when you say "how it is done" what do you mean?People next to my home went (24) to the school and they all came back, have see any of them being killed or whatsoever. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
Babedollz
All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that.
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Could you do me a favour and highlight the part that I disrespected you....please do so that I can change my disrespectful ways
its very apparent that you are siding with inkwenkwe because his on your side...but that does not mean you must disrespect some of us that are gladly showing you respect and understanding.... Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Korea
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
Ponko, been to hell and back already, and I'm not talking culture at all. I'm just p!ssing the dudes off who believe they can tell a woman to shut up and think she actually has to listen to them. Shame poor menbabies. I'm concerned about our youth abusing alcohol and killing each other, whether it be at school, church or initiation school. Click played pampoentjie pampoentjie with you dudes today. Report Abuse
Katakata, I will give you this one. Many people have argued and differed with you before on many subjects on this forum, and you've always remained patient, and to the best of my knowledge, never been rude. If a real man's strength is his patience, then you are truly one of the few real men I have encountered in my life. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Ponko, been to hell and back already, and I'm not talking culture at all. I'm just p!ssing the dudes off who believe they can tell a woman to shut up and think she actually has to listen to them. Shame poor menbabies. I'm concerned about our youth abusing alcohol and killing each other, whether it be at school, church or initiation school. Click played pampoentjie pampoentjie with you dudes today.
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@ Click-baby,
Please be Sir. What makes a male species a man? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
Korea
@DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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yep...there you have it folks...."my father"..."my father"
at the mountain...there is no "my father"....now I know why you are so against the mountain...you would never last a day there son...."my father"...."my father"...h ahahahahaahah ahahahahah.lma0...."your father" wont allow you because his also a kwekwe like you son....end of story....keep brainwashing yourself with your father Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
BrothaX
I think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these boys are being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools
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Dec 11, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Katakata, I will give you this one. Many people have argued and differed with you before on many subjects on this forum, and you've always remained patient, and to the best of my knowledge, never been rude. If a real man's strength is his patience, then you are truly one of the few real men I have encountered in my life.
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Thank you my sister and hope many will take from this real man KTT.
Click, you're on. My treat. *blowing kiss* Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
Flight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Burundi, bye bye people see you next year have nice holidays.And learn to respect other people's culture especially women and those who didnt perform the ritual. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Strange that you are telling me not to generalise. The story was about this particualr initiate who was stabbed to death. All the "men" in the blog decide to make personalise the story.
You know that in your area all the intiates return safe, sound and with their d!cks intact so you dont have to stress about places where due care is not taken
BrothaX
I think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these boys are being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools
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No brother....logic dictates that you cant judge tradition on a few mishaps of a few boys....use your logic
and most importantly...boys are taught things there....who will teach these boys these important things at the hospital...?? the nurses...what will they teach these boys...? or will the nurses ill-trat these boys like they ill-treat girls going for home planning....see the bigger picture bra Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Strange that you are telling me not to generalise. The story was about this particualr initiate who was stabbed to death. All the "men" in the blog decide to make personalise the story.
You know that in your area all the intiates return safe, sound and with their d!cks intact so you dont have to stress about places where due care is not taken
My point exactly, this culture does not have a problem only some few people who want to make it bad."I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding) " Here you were generalising, and thats why I said dont generalise, on the other side of the world things are still smooth.
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities.
BrothaX
@ Click-baby,
Please be Sir. What makes a male species a man?
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Being able to survive in tough conditions eg the mountain. Not a hospital-bed with 3 course meals! Report Abuse
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities
Now you are talking I apologise,I misunderstood you. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
oldlady12
DeKock, your initial comment was about women commenting here clearly having been to initiation school. Already there you lost track that women were actually commenting on the drinking and killing, and typical male, made it all about you and your precious initiation. If I appear slow to you, stop smoking that boom.
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ha ha hhaha hahahahahahah.lma0
I am not one to answer back and forth with a woman...so I will give you the upper hand....my question was clear as day light...directed to all the women here...but a special somebody wanted special treatment...so let me submarine...maybe you really are an old lady....thus the slowness.... Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BrothaX
@Blocked,
Listen young man, you clearly not an example of a person that deserve to be called a man, judging by how you address people you do not know. We usually tell people that haven’t learned anything while they were attending to go back and fetch their school fee change and in your case if indeed you went through the passage to manhood I would if it was possible to go and claim back your piece of …, clearly you’ve learned nothing
DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted. Report Abuse
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities
Now you are talking I apologise,I misunderstood you.
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Thank you to get my point and apology accepted.
oldlady12
DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted.
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Now, you're starting tp generalise over c'rap. Under which hypothesis do you back your claim on? Woman! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Blocked
Click-Baby
@ BrothaX
I guess you've met your match.. Blocked will answer all your clarifying-seeking questions.. My mind is elsewhere.. *sorry*
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I don't associate myself with m0rons who are looking for attention in the wrong places! Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
DeCock01
oldlady12
DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted.
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Even when a man submits to your rule and shows you respect...you demand more...must be a trick you picked up in this democratic state of ours....whats next...you want me to come cook, clean and bath your ^ss.....sorry... Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
SetlaboswanaBoy07
What are police doing at initiation schools, Dilo tja Komeng ke dikhupamarama tja Banna...Ge o hwile komeng re a go phushetja...Finish & Klaar Report Abuse
Blocked, I make no claim. "must be" normally means one makes a deduction. EG, if you are shouting at me, must be that I made you cross. Doesn't mean I am making a claim. Maybe you're just shouting because you don't know how to talk properly. Get it? Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
oldlady12
DeCock, had a good time too. Sleep tight. Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
BrothaX
@DeCock01
With all due respect Sir, I did not give an alternative of where they should go. Chances are that you would agree with me that in most districts you get young men who are still fresh from the mountain looking after these young & vulnerable boys. How much knowledge will a young “man” of 15 for example pass to an initiate? What’s on the initiation school syllabus today? “How to rape young girls and old ladies 101”, “How to disrespect parents 101”, “How to never go back to school 101”, How to smoke dagga, do drugs & drink alcohol 101”, forget the latter they have probably passed the subject even before they went to the initiation school.
BrothaX
@DeCock01
With all due respect Sir, I did not give an alternative of where they should go. Chances are that you would agree with me that in most districts you get young men who are still fresh from the mountain looking after these young & vulnerable boys. How much knowledge will a young “man” of 15 for example pass to an initiate? What’s on the initiation school syllabus today? “How to rape young girls and old ladies 101”, “How to disrespect parents 101”, “How to never go back to school 101”, How to smoke dagga, do drugs & drink alcohol 101”, forget the latter they have probably passed the subject even before they went to the initiation school.
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When you look for negatives...one tends to build his own negatives in his own mindset....if you cared to know what is taught up there....how about doing yourself the favour of visiting and learning there first hand...
all that you have written in no different from a person labelling that a certain group of people to be this, this and that...with no basis of objectivity whatsoever....(im running away from labelling)
Lastly, I did say to you....if you marginalise stuff...you will lose focus of the bigger picture...for example....lets say in the EC during this December period....1000 boys go to the mountain...out of the 1000....only 100 come back doing all these things you mention....and thats only 10%....now...would that 10% justify that tradition be changed all together...?? hhe??
In all walks of life.... human behaviour is not guaranteed and you cant attribute a single cause to negative outcomes....so before marginalising and labelling everything....sit down and think of the bigger picture....you cant blame tradition for human behaviour....its so simple really Report Abuse
Dec 11, 2012
Babedollz
Blocked
Babedollz
All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that
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You imb!cle. Korea is thinking through his dead foresk!n, that's why he's talking c'rap that you cl'ueless women want to hear!
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Yeah well the issue is drinking and stabbing each other but those with manhood issues are jst empty tins trying to defend themselves. Go get yr hands washed they sticky Report Abuse
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Click-Baby
No women are allowed to comment here... *Men's tradition only*Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
Click-BabyNo women are allowed to comment here... *Men's tradition only*
I agreee,we dont expect any female to comment.
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oldlady12
Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning)Report Abuse
mbaliwe
You mean the same female nurses who treat your sons and nephews, your brothers or even you, when that circumcision of yours has botched shud not comment here ?Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
mbaliweYou mean the same female nurses who treat your sons and nephews, your brothers or even you, when that circumcision of yours has botched shud not comment here ?
We said any female.
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Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning)
The fact that it happened at "Initiation school" make it a men's tradition
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oldlady12
Ponko, in case you did not notice, young men have been stabbing each other at normal schools too the past few years. One even did a whole Samurai sword killing, so the fact that this happened at an initiation school is just a minor little detail, and not worth discussing. The new tradition of young men drinking and killing is cause for great concern.Report Abuse
Ingxabano
Eyi they have copied Blade Nzimade'style of drinking during early hours.Report Abuse
MommaC
Alcohol at an initiation school !?!?!? WTF?Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
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Youve got to be kidding me................. Initiation schools have lost respect due to misfits
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oldlady12
MommaC, is there still a place too sacred for alcohol abuse in SA today?Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutraWhats your home language?
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Babedollz
And when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxmReport Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
BabedollzAnd when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxm
Tsek and get out on our culture,why dont you blame the government thats has been over democratic, they gave rights to chldrens
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BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby and Ponko.FontoyoIf this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
''Police believed Malgas was stabbed during a fight over alcohol''
MADNESS
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.FontoyoHi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
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Ponko.Fontoyo
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
Just wanna know,nothing serious (with respect)
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@BlessedGirl@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
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#dead, cremated, ashes in the urn# by Clickponkotan ................ that is classic!!!
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.FontoyoTswana
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Ponko.Fontoyo
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra ok thank you sister.Report Abuse
Ingxabano
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@Ponko.Fontoyo
Hi MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Whats your home language?
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Why????
Just wanna know,nothing serious (with respect)
She's Pedi
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Ponko.Fontoyo
BlessedGirl@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
''Police believed Malgas was stabbed during a fight over alcohol''
MADNESS
Skheberesh
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Click-Baby
@ Webteam/SowetanPlease block further comments for this article.. This is total disrespect for manhood shown by these clueless females.. Nx!!
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oldlady12
Click-Baby, you're right. We have no respect for this kind of "manhood", and the only way to protect yourselves is to shut us up.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Click-Baby@ Webteam/Sowetan
Please block further comments for this article.. This is total disrespect for manhood shown by these clueless females.. Nx!!
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Clueless.............. so now you want Sowetan to pull an SABC/MetroFM on us
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BlessedGirl
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby and Ponko.Fontoyo
If this article was published on Clickponkotan and not Sowetan I was not going to comment
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#dead, cremated, ashes in the urn# by Clickponkotan ................ that is classic!!!
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LOL
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DeCock01
I take it some of the women commenting here have been to an initiation school and went the whole nine yards....because they comment as if they know what goes on at the mountain....pffftt....stop middling in mens stuff....habe...you dont find men talking about how hard it is to push that final push when giving birth (if there is even a thing called final push)....nxiReport Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
@Click-Baby I agree this is not worth news,really I now understand why the Anc needed Media tribunal.The journalist who reported this was sick nxa.Report Abuse
BlessedGirl
@Click-Baby@ Webteam/Sowetan
Please block further comments for this article.. This is total disrespect for manhood shown by these clueless females.. Nx!!
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These victims are our children, our brothers, our cousins so we cant keep quiet
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Babedollz
Ponko.Fontoyo
Babedollz
And when the finished at this initiation school they need to be classified as dignified men. aghhhhh to hell. Go to initiation and see if you can apply for a job with whatever you got there. People must be real. At 17 you drinking mbamba in the mountain while boys your age are looking for bursaries to attend tertiary next year. mxm
Tsek and get out on our culture,why dont you blame the government thats has been over democratic, they gave rights to chldrens
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*Yawning* thruth hurts dear
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Asta
Any arrests made?Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
@BabedollzIm not your dear.
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BlessedGirl
@AstaAny arrests made?
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“No arrests have been made as all the boys were drunk and are not able to identify the suspect''
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DeCock01
Are the women commenting here against:> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@DeCock01Are the women commenting here against:
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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all of the above
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Click-BabyPonko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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oldlady12
DeCock01, but when you read about a woman killing her baby just after giving birth, you comment. This article is not about initiation school. This article is about drunk young men killing each other. Unless, of course, you're saying getting drunk is the standard practice at initiation school.Report Abuse
BlessedGirl
@DeCock01Are the women commenting here against:
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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The killing
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Babedollz
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Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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This is sowetan not sum men gathered in a krall discussing their clan. Get over it.
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oldlady12
Blocked, and did you actually think for one moment any of the women commenting here care what you think?Report Abuse
Babedollz
Ponko.Fontoyo@Babedollz
Im not your dear
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Exactly knucklehead
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oldlady12
Babedollz, you tell them. If they can't stand the heat, they must get out of the kitchen.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady12It seems like nationalisation is rearing its ugly head............. now they want nationalise the news for guys only?????
Funny how men always comment on women topics, last week they were having a field day about the Fish Eagle (vagi.nal odour) story and we never cahstised them or wanted them blocked.
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Mosquer
Hao badikana ba nwa jwala!Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
cahstised = chastisedReport Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
BlockedClick-Baby
Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
Exactly most of them are women because they wear a dress and have that stinking thing.But they dont have a brain.
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Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Babedollz, you tell them. If they can't stand the heat, they must get out of the kitchen.
Are you a man or what?
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DeCock01
Women....let me point you towards the right directionbeing nosey sometimes leads you astray:
Killings happen everywhere and anywhere....schools, church, parks, roads, hospitals, work....etc
the fact that the killing happened at an initiation school has no bearing on the value and or purpose of initiation schools....the boys are not taught to drink and stab each other there...but moments of isolated madness happen everywhere...when the elders/leaders are not present...some boys forget what they were thought in the afternoon and especially under the influence...do things that do not go hand in hand with what is thought there
Its like you women installing discipline to your kids....but when you are not around...they use profanity, watch sexually explicit content...now, we cant blame the mothers and say "we hold no value in your parental skills"
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Ponko.Fontoyo
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@oldlady12
It seems like nationalisation is rearing its ugly head............. now they want nationalise the news for guys only?????
Funny how men always comment on women topics, last week they were having a field day about the Fish Eagle (vagi.nal odour) story and we never cahstised them or wanted them blocked.
That's not a sensitive issue like initiation school.here we are guided by rules and regulations."Man to comment about women initiations" and the other way around.
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Babedollzoldlady12
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
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Korea
Only mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!Report Abuse
oldlady12
Ponko, I'm a what.MsKinky, they're so scared their dirty little secrets come out, that's why the nationalisation. However will they impress us if we find out that all they do there is drink and party, while all the time they've made us think it is this huge entry into manhood. ( I don't know why they call it manhood if they actually remove the hood, but that's men for you)
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oldlady12
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
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and your point being??????? You need to sit down and drop that sell by date ego. That we read this in sowetan dznt mean women mustn't comment.
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Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Ponko, I'm a what
Man or what?
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oldlady12
DeKock, that's EXACTLY what the women have been saying. This is about the killing, not the initiation school. Maybe you should read all the comments before you respond.Blocked, so your ego tells you, but it's lying.
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oldlady12
I made my point clear. You women will forever remain enslaved, thanks to your micro-sized brains you forget using.
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and your point being??????? You need to sit down and drop that sell by date ego. That we read this in sowetan dznt mean women mustn't comment.
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Madam, as usual. You're wasting your emotions on something that doesn't concern you. How d'umb could one be?
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@Ponko.FontoyoInitiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
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KoreaOnly mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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hahaaa well said brother. now let's hear how the mamparas responds to this bcs they will sure do.
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oldlady12
Ponko, a what. I'm a what. What do you not understand?Report Abuse
Korea
@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners.Report Abuse
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KoreaOnly mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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Trying to score points with women at the sacrifise of tradition is below desperate you filthy boy!
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@Ponko.FontoyoInitiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect.
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DeCock01
KoreaOnly mamparas who are insecure about their manhood and have inferiority complex go to the mountains to eat snake, rats, scorpions, crawling insects and think that is manhood. Stu.pidos with ru.bbish inside their trouers will go to the mountains to be humiliated by another weakling of a man calling himslef incibi with nothing between his ears. I hate this idi.ots!!!
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your boyish, juvenile, immature and senseless comment has been noted....and respected...as it is your democratic right
a clueless boy that has never been to the mountain and knows nothing about it has this view...because he speaks of something he has no clue about....but i wont entertain it here...
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Korea@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners.
Jou moer idiot,dont call a culture a "Stupid tradition".
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oldlady12
Blocked.."how dum.b can one be"....one woman can never be as dumb as you. 100 Dum.b women can never be as dum.b as you.Report Abuse
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@BlockedClick-Baby
Ponko.Fontoyo
DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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We dont need your respect but assurance that our brothers are safe in the mountain
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Korea@oldl.ady this is an ol.d pr.actice of humi.liation and degr.ading of mod.ern spec.ies. I'm a noth.ern nd.ebele by b.irth but my par.ents ne.ver all.owed us to att.end this stu.pid trad.ition. I see a lot of this boys who comes there and think they are m.en sm.oking ny.aope, da.gga, not was.hing and st.inking for the w.hole day sitt.ing at cor.ners.
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M0rons like you are worse than these lifeless women. You too are not worth being looked at. *spits @ your f@ce*
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Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Ponko, a what. I'm a what. What do you not understand?
Lol,then a What should also not comment about men's issue
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DeCock01
oldlady12DeKock, that's EXACTLY what the women have been saying. This is about the killing, not the initiation school. Maybe you should read all the comments before you respond.
Blocked, so your ego tells you, but it's lying.
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im sorry to burst your bubble sisi but how about you take the honour of reading the above posts...know what...in case you are more slow than you sound....let me offer you a hand...here is what another lady said which prompted me to clarify the matter:
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@DeCock01
Are the women commenting here against:
> the killing
> or the value initiation schools hold these days
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all of the above
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Korea
@DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!Report Abuse
oldlady12
DeCock, oh, so Korea's comment is noted and respected due to it being his democratic right, yet you defile the democratic rights of the women on this forum.Report Abuse
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I warned you all about this article..Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Click, Ponko, what's the men's tradition here? To stab each other while drunk? (I'm not commenting, I'm questioning)
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DeKock, please look at the SEVENTH comment. The SEVENT comment here today was me telling people not to make this about initiation school. Specify then that you are talking about ONE woman, and not women as a collective.Report Abuse
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I also dont have a respect for women who think she knows everything.Culture (boys Initiation school) was meant for men not Women,but these days we have this stupid thing called democracy(50/50) that automatically turned women to interfer in everything.Cry our beloved country,dont know what will happen if SA can have a Woman president.Sies!!!!Report Abuse
Blocked
oldlady12Blocked.."how dum.b can one be"....one woman can never be as dumb as you. 100 Dum.b women can never be as dum.b as you.
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DeCock01
Gentlemen, I agree with you 100%. These women are so forward no wonder most of them have difficulties in sustaining their own relationships. Some of them are so wrecked inside their hearts, they'd rather find comfort in snooping their lously n0ses in other people's business.
I don't respect any woman commenting here let alone what they think. SIES
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Leave that to them they know how to sort things as men and the incedent happened not in the school.
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BlessedGirlWe dont need your respect but assurance that our brothers are safe in the mountain
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sisi wam....a great of what happens in the mountain also depends on how well behaved your brother is.....the elders will do everything in their power to guide him...and show him the way...but if he has tendencies of drinking and disobedience like the boys mentioned in this article...then he disqualifies the assurance on his own accord
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Ponko.Fontoyo@Ponko.Fontoyo
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect.
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It is not rubbish, I was just enlightening .......... lebolo is a sotho word for initiation (in case you were lost in translation)
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oldlady12
Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course.Report Abuse
Korea
@Blocked this lifeless women are like your mother who gave birth to you and brought you up, fed you, wiped your @ss and generally looked after you. I will respect women more than incibi.Report Abuse
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Click-BabyI warned you all about this article..
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Women will forever be victims. Thanks to their snooping around where it least involves them. As I said previously, I don't respect women like these commenting here!
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oldlady12
Blocked, suggestion noted. Ignored. Worthless.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
It so strange that men who ar against women commenting are swearing at us .......... how noble and "gentlemanly" of themReport Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraPonko.Fontoyo
@Ponko.Fontoyo
Initiation (school) was not an open subject. Lebolo (nitiation) was never discussed in public not a public domain and the the place (school) where it took place was sacred.
-Only a certain group of men were allowed at the "mountain"
-they had to stay celebate for the duration of the "course",
- cutting of the fore.skin was not just a responsibility given to anyone (you had to have credentials)
- there was so much respect for lebolo;
- the purpose was just not "to turn boys into men" but to teach them about the intricacies of life
-it was not a money making scheme but a rite of passage
What must I do with this rubbish?I really respected you,but you have just lost that respect.
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It is not rubbish, I was just enlightening .......... lebolo is a sotho word for initiation (in case you were lost in translation)
Was that necessary?How is it relevant to the article?
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Korea@Blocked this lifeless women are like your mother who gave birth to you and brought you up, fed you, wiped your @ss and generally looked after you. I will respect women more than incibi.
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That means nothing to me. M'sunu wenkwenkwe! (Google that sh!t if you don't know what it means)
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oldlady12
Click, you didn't warn. You stirred. Thank you.Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course.
Definately you are not a man,you havent done any culture.
@Korea your day is coming,whether you like it or not, you will go to initiation school.
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DeCock01
oldlady12DeKock, please look at the SEVENTH comment. The SEVENT comment here today was me telling people not to make this about initiation school. Specify then that you are talking about ONE woman, and not women as a collective.
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he hehe hehe....sisi wam...the more you comment...the slower you appear to be....no offense
my initial comment clearly said: To The "Women".....meaning every woman that commented here was entitled to answer that question...and MsKinkya did exactly that....
Now my response was to all women that answered my question....there were more than 3...you included....NOW...why do you want special treatment...? whats so special about you that you want to leave the others outside the topic...?? breath in and out...maybe you will comprehend a little bit better
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@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour.Report Abuse
Blocked
Korea@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour.
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I think it's best you start talking to women now. Men are busy!
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oldlady12
Ponko, of course I'm not a man. I TOLD you I'm a what, and a what don't do culture. Especially not if culture means a piece of useless flesh between your legs gives you more rights than beings with useful flesh between the ears. Beings who want equality with men have no ambition.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Katakata.."the man spoken, please listen"..I listen, and all I hear is a bunch of menbabies crying because they can't get their way. That's all except Korea of course.
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Kakkakakkaka you mean little old babies.
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Ponko.Fontoyo
oldlady12Ponko, of course I'm not a man. I TOLD you I'm a what, and a what don't do culture. Especially not if culture means a piece of useless flesh between your legs gives you more rights than beings with useful flesh between the ears. Beings who want equality with men have no ambition.
Then go to hell and leave the culture alone.
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DeCock01
Korea@Blocked I knew there was something wrong with you. You were brought up badly by a stranger in the mountains thats why you behaving like this. If you want women to respect you first respect them. It's a pity I had to go wanted to teach this morons about respect, ubuntu and good behaviour.
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Point of correction: No one is brought up in the mountain....stop talking about things you know nothing of....you are exposing yourself as immature and idiotic...
you are right...men should repect women....
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All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that.Report Abuse
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutraIt so strange that men who ar against women commenting are swearing at us .......... how noble and "gentlemanly" of them
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We're not swearing at anyone, but highlighting what needs to be respected that's all!
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I might sound a lil bit insensitive, but i do not pitty people that kill them selves with liquor, when one drinks liquor, even if it is just a lid, they are comiting suicide. more crimes are caused by this stupid alchohol, i know that many will defend it, but it is the reason to this moral decayed society.i hate alcohol.
and i will begin to have a problem with anything that is associated with it.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.FontoyoI can see that you are thnking with the other "head" hence you are so slow to comprehend that I have nothing against lebollo. I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding)
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BrothaX
I think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schoolsReport Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
BabedollzAll the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that.
Definately you are an idiot, the term inkwenkwe was meant for certain people (those who follow tradition),if you dont follow tradition it does not apply to you.You see we can respect those who dont do this culture,we expect the same .
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Blocked
BabedollzAll the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that
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You imb!cle. Korea is thinking through his dead foresk!n, that's why he's talking c'rap that you cl'ueless women want to hear!
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oldlady12
DeKock, your initial comment was about women commenting here clearly having been to initiation school. Already there you lost track that women were actually commenting on the drinking and killing, and typical male, made it all about you and your precious initiation. If I appear slow to you, stop smoking that boom.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@KoreaDeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@Ponko.Fontoyo
I can see that you are thnking with the other "head" hence you are so slow to comprehend that I have nothing against lebollo. I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding)
With respect dont generalise ,when you say "how it is done" what do you mean?People next to my home went (24) to the school and they all came back, have see any of them being killed or whatsoever.
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DeCock01
BabedollzAll the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that.
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Could you do me a favour and highlight the part that I disrespected you....please do so that I can change my disrespectful ways
its very apparent that you are siding with inkwenkwe because his on your side...but that does not mean you must disrespect some of us that are gladly showing you respect and understanding....
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Korea
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish
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oldlady12
Ponko, been to hell and back already, and I'm not talking culture at all. I'm just p!ssing the dudes off who believe they can tell a woman to shut up and think she actually has to listen to them. Shame poor menbabies. I'm concerned about our youth abusing alcohol and killing each other, whether it be at school, church or initiation school. Click played pampoentjie pampoentjie with you dudes today.Report Abuse
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@ BrothaXDon't let me be on your case too.. WTF?
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oldlady12
Katakata, I will give you this one. Many people have argued and differed with you before on many subjects on this forum, and you've always remained patient, and to the best of my knowledge, never been rude. If a real man's strength is his patience, then you are truly one of the few real men I have encountered in my life.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Ponko, been to hell and back already, and I'm not talking culture at all. I'm just p!ssing the dudes off who believe they can tell a woman to shut up and think she actually has to listen to them. Shame poor menbabies. I'm concerned about our youth abusing alcohol and killing each other, whether it be at school, church or initiation school. Click played pampoentjie pampoentjie with you dudes today.
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Click-Baby
@ oldlady12How about that Spur ribs & wings special tonight?.. *wink*
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BrothaX
@ Click-baby,Please be Sir. What makes a male species a man?
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Korea@DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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yep...there you have it folks...."my father"..."my father"
at the mountain...there is no "my father"....now I know why you are so against the mountain...you would never last a day there son...."my father"...."my father"...h ahahahahaahah ahahahahah.lma0...."your father" wont allow you because his also a kwekwe like you son....end of story....keep brainwashing yourself with your father
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BrothaXI think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these boys are being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools
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You won't last here you prick!. You choose your words correctly!. Ask that filthly boy @Korea
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Katakata, I will give you this one. Many people have argued and differed with you before on many subjects on this forum, and you've always remained patient, and to the best of my knowledge, never been rude. If a real man's strength is his patience, then you are truly one of the few real men I have encountered in my life.
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Thank you my sister and hope many will take from this real man KTT.
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Click, you're on. My treat. *blowing kiss*Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
Flight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Burundi, bye bye people see you next year have nice holidays.And learn to respect other people's culture especially women and those who didnt perform the ritual.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Ponko.FontoyoStrange that you are telling me not to generalise. The story was about this particualr initiate who was stabbed to death. All the "men" in the blog decide to make personalise the story.
You know that in your area all the intiates return safe, sound and with their d!cks intact so you dont have to stress about places where due care is not taken
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DeCock01
BrothaXI think a question should be asked, is this tradition still relevant at this day and age. I mean logic should tell us that these boys are being taught fokol while there are at various initiation schools
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No brother....logic dictates that you cant judge tradition on a few mishaps of a few boys....use your logic
and most importantly...boys are taught things there....who will teach these boys these important things at the hospital...?? the nurses...what will they teach these boys...? or will the nurses ill-trat these boys like they ill-treat girls going for home planning....see the bigger picture bra
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@Ponko.Fontoyo
Strange that you are telling me not to generalise. The story was about this particualr initiate who was stabbed to death. All the "men" in the blog decide to make personalise the story.
You know that in your area all the intiates return safe, sound and with their d!cks intact so you dont have to stress about places where due care is not taken
My point exactly, this culture does not have a problem only some few people who want to make it bad."I am concerned about how it is done/performed these days with no respect and value for life (or the very culture you are so admant of upholding) " Here you were generalising, and thats why I said dont generalise, on the other side of the world things are still smooth.
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@Ponko.FontoyoKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Korea
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities.
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BrothaX@ Click-baby,
Please be Sir. What makes a male species a man?
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Being able to survive in tough conditions eg the mountain. Not a hospital-bed with 3 course meals!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Ponko.Fontoyo
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Korea
DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities
Now you are talking I apologise,I misunderstood you.
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DeCock01
oldlady12DeKock, your initial comment was about women commenting here clearly having been to initiation school. Already there you lost track that women were actually commenting on the drinking and killing, and typical male, made it all about you and your precious initiation. If I appear slow to you, stop smoking that boom.
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ha ha hhaha hahahahahahah.lma0
I am not one to answer back and forth with a woman...so I will give you the upper hand....my question was clear as day light...directed to all the women here...but a special somebody wanted special treatment...so let me submarine...maybe you really are an old lady....thus the slowness....
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BrothaX
@Blocked,Listen young man, you clearly not an example of a person that deserve to be called a man, judging by how you address people you do not know. We usually tell people that haven’t learned anything while they were attending to go back and fetch their school fee change and in your case if indeed you went through the passage to manhood I would if it was possible to go and claim back your piece of …, clearly you’ve learned nothing
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Click-Baby
@ Ponko.FontoyoI underestimated you kwedin..
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oldlady12
DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted.Report Abuse
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DeCock I am a fully grown responsible father with kids. My parents taught me all the right things when I grew up. Why should they let a dir.ty unwashed stinking man called incibi to teach me to be a man. My father taught me how to be a good father and I'm grateful for that. My father wouldn't allow a mampara with a sharp razer blade to infect me with diseases. I hope you get my point!!!
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You've been raised by your mother wena,manhood qualities are far different from what you've metioned.
The strength of a real man is his patience and the only way to reach such is to be taught by "unwashed stinking man called incibi".
You are also talking rubbish.
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If you dont get closer some stuff you'll never notice how important they are,people've critisized and jaudge the umhlanga(the maidens zulu/swazi) from a distance but today the health ministers have seen the importance of it by getting closer and learn about it.
The only thing that must be done is to bring better ways that could help to prevent such deeds, initiation is very very important in our communities
Now you are talking I apologise,I misunderstood you.
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Thank you to get my point and apology accepted.
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Click-Baby
@ BrothaXI guess you've met your match.. Blocked will answer all your clarifying-seeking questions.. My mind is elsewhere.. *sorry*
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Blocked
oldlady12DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted.
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Now, you're starting tp generalise over c'rap. Under which hypothesis do you back your claim on? Woman!
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Click-Baby@ BrothaX
I guess you've met your match.. Blocked will answer all your clarifying-seeking questions.. My mind is elsewhere.. *sorry*
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I don't associate myself with m0rons who are looking for attention in the wrong places!
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DeCock01
oldlady12DeKock, must be one of the things you learn at initiation school is never to admit when you're wrong. I see it creeping into all levels of society and government too. Makes it easy to spot the initiation school graduates. "I'm not going to answer back and forth with a woman." Spotted.
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Even when a man submits to your rule and shows you respect...you demand more...must be a trick you picked up in this democratic state of ours....whats next...you want me to come cook, clean and bath your ^ss.....sorry...
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SetlaboswanaBoy07
What are police doing at initiation schools, Dilo tja Komeng ke dikhupamarama tja Banna...Ge o hwile komeng re a go phushetja...Finish & KlaarReport Abuse
DeCock01
Over and outspecial cheers to my "oldlady12"
blowing kisses....mcwa...pleasure sharing mindsets
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oldlady12
Blocked, I make no claim. "must be" normally means one makes a deduction. EG, if you are shouting at me, must be that I made you cross. Doesn't mean I am making a claim. Maybe you're just shouting because you don't know how to talk properly. Get it?Report Abuse
oldlady12
DeCock, had a good time too. Sleep tight.Report Abuse
BrothaX
@DeCock01With all due respect Sir, I did not give an alternative of where they should go. Chances are that you would agree with me that in most districts you get young men who are still fresh from the mountain looking after these young & vulnerable boys. How much knowledge will a young “man” of 15 for example pass to an initiate? What’s on the initiation school syllabus today? “How to rape young girls and old ladies 101”, “How to disrespect parents 101”, “How to never go back to school 101”, How to smoke dagga, do drugs & drink alcohol 101”, forget the latter they have probably passed the subject even before they went to the initiation school.
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Click-Baby
@ oldlady12"Maybe you're just shouting because you don't know how to talk properly. Get it?" --- Hahahahaha (Manbaby)
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DeCock01
BrothaX@DeCock01
With all due respect Sir, I did not give an alternative of where they should go. Chances are that you would agree with me that in most districts you get young men who are still fresh from the mountain looking after these young & vulnerable boys. How much knowledge will a young “man” of 15 for example pass to an initiate? What’s on the initiation school syllabus today? “How to rape young girls and old ladies 101”, “How to disrespect parents 101”, “How to never go back to school 101”, How to smoke dagga, do drugs & drink alcohol 101”, forget the latter they have probably passed the subject even before they went to the initiation school.
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When you look for negatives...one tends to build his own negatives in his own mindset....if you cared to know what is taught up there....how about doing yourself the favour of visiting and learning there first hand...
all that you have written in no different from a person labelling that a certain group of people to be this, this and that...with no basis of objectivity whatsoever....(im running away from labelling)
Lastly, I did say to you....if you marginalise stuff...you will lose focus of the bigger picture...for example....lets say in the EC during this December period....1000 boys go to the mountain...out of the 1000....only 100 come back doing all these things you mention....and thats only 10%....now...would that 10% justify that tradition be changed all together...?? hhe??
In all walks of life.... human behaviour is not guaranteed and you cant attribute a single cause to negative outcomes....so before marginalising and labelling everything....sit down and think of the bigger picture....you cant blame tradition for human behaviour....its so simple really
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All the men here except Korea are having issues. Blocked and Fontoyo are the worst. Imagine going to the mountain n when you come back you call those who ddnt attend wenkwenkwe haaaaa rubbish no wonder they dnt respect women. Dont come with yr tradition backround here this is sowetan not some mountain in E.C. #Ponder that
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You imb!cle. Korea is thinking through his dead foresk!n, that's why he's talking c'rap that you cl'ueless women want to hear!
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Yeah well the issue is drinking and stabbing each other but those with manhood issues are jst empty tins trying to defend themselves. Go get yr hands washed they sticky
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