Bra_A

The women must have studied leadership. She is not supporting Zuma but she knows like 52 Million South Africans that he will win. But he is not a strong leader. SA has strong leaders, but they are in business.
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LAC

Zuma failed us. Think there are much better leaders in the ANC.
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Pointman

Quiet diplomacy - was at Springs Home Affairs yesterday and the consequences of quite diplomacy was evident. Many refugees who rather come here and be abused by uncaring officials that stay in their own country - that is how bad things are in Zim due to quite diplomacy.
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SephokhubjeHustler

Wat did Zuma promise MaMbeki? We all know Zuma didn't deliver on 500 000 jobs he promised. He promised Inkandla residents some developments. But didn't inform them that the developments was only for his home. It's true that even though the wealth of the nation is for the rest of us, it's still every man for himself.
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asaowe

Leave Gogo Mbeki alone she just voicing her opinion, freedom of speech ppl.
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MommaC

I must admit, it is pretty much Hobsons choice. I also don't fully trust Motlanthe. At least Zuma is a k@k poker player and you know when he is lying. With Motlanthe, you have no idea where you are with him
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GhettoCheeck

Eish Gogo pleease stick to what you do best knitting and your spaza shop.
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DuncyX2

She described Motlanthe as a difficult leader when it comes to understanding his vision, adding that it would be difficult to support him.

"I don't have confidence in Kgalema," she said. "He is a difficult character to understand. One does not know what he stands for. It is difficult to know where he would lead the ANC and country if he became president."

#True that Mama, you are 100% correct. give Mama a bells bathong!!
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asaowe

MommaC
I must admit, it is pretty much Hobsons choice. I also don't fully trust Motlanthe. At least Zuma is a k@k poker player and you know when he is lying. With Motlanthe, you have no idea where you are with him

agree wth u, Motlanthe just simple coward, why he leaves in shadow he must come out as man and challenge Zuma fc2fc.
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manga2

This Gogo tells it like it is. Saying exactly what we all think of Kgalema. He's a No 1 Snake. Just read his biography and you'll know the real man behind the facade. As a SG for 10 years, he let down TM big time.
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DeOvi

MmaMbeki is right, a quiet person is very dangerous, but an easy going person is easy to know......am also behind Zuma
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manga2

On her son's recall in 2008 she said: "... the majority of the (ANC) national executive committee agreed on recalling Thabo. Msholozi had not single-handedly recalled Thabo, but the NEC collective did".

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AMEN!!!
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Ponko.Fontoyo

DeOvi
MmaMbeki is right, a quiet person is very dangerous, but an easy going person is easy to know......am also behind Zuma


Who told you that?so you prefer someone who is facing criminal charges, using tax money?You are not fair to yourself.
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andmuchmore

thats maMbeki, good choice old lady
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zuluchick

i some what agree with her, the deputy is not an ideal option and if Mr Zuma didnt come back I wouldnt care but who else is there....personally i want Thuli Madonsela but is that even possible?

would love to have a cup of tea with MaMbheki though....call me :)
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Flemza

Good vision MaMbeki , you are truelly South African granny for all , unlike other whom we can not mention in DIEPKLOOF who still see something in the headless ex ANCYL leader
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MommaC

Seems that SA is stuck between the devil and the deep. We have brilliant leaders in SA and it comes down to these two. That is just sad
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morwamotho

Motlanthe s very quiet le yena,i start to doubt him.
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Voetzek

"saying he is the man she strongly believes will emerge victorious in Mangaung next month"
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Mr editor, do you call that support, i dont think so the last time i checked. this is a proven fact
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slowfootsurefoot

HOPE THE OLD LADY IS NOT MAKING THE MISTAKE JUJU &CO MADE IN POLOKWANE AND TURNED AROUND WITH THE INTENTION OF LEADING US TO ANOTHER MISTAKE.WISE WORDS THOUGH.
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Siya5297

Although I hate to admit it but magogo is talking the truth, well I havent heard anything from motlanthe, he is like a boxer going to a fight knowing he will lose. I feel sorry for all the people who will suffer after all this mangaung thing is over, cause thats how I have andastood the politics of ANC.

In all this ANC should know it will face a massive drop in their vote should they retain Zuma, people are not asking for big things just sustainable jobs and services in which ANC(not Zuma) has failed so far. Comrades on the ground(the have not's) people are crying
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DJ-Winner

These are exactly the kind of things that make a man feel emotional. I feel like crying hearing those words from MaMbeki. MaMbeki is the last person I expected to support Zuma. It shows how united we are as South African people and ANC supporters. It shows people continue to choose leaders with their minds, not with their hearts. I feel like crying, really.
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mayimayi

this is so old news sowetan, i mean really now. are you out of things to publish that you go take such old stuff and publish. Anyway i am not a Zuma supporter but i also think he will win. Kgalema is a coward who cannot stand his ground and even now he cannot stand and say whether he'll be standing for presidency or not. he has no backbone and i don't think that is a president we want. as for Zuma his mischiefs speak for themself and there is no way i will waste my vote on such a person.
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Zabaragast

With all due respect MaMbeki. What does Zuma stand for?
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Kalahari

I think the journalist here is trying to make his/her own views about ANC leadership heard. MaMbeki may have said few words, but this whole analysis is honestly from the journalist him/herself.

Anyway I agree with the observation that its difficult to understand Comrade Motlante's vision.


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mashima?

Previously during Mbeki's lecture gogo was not happy and wondering what is it that they are going to say about her son, now she is contracdicting herself. This people may be they think SA are not good listeners. Gogo did they double your old age pension after your son 's lecture.
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Matso

MmaMbeki didn't understand the rules of ANC as Motlanthe do as he was secretary for 10 years. After all she is COPE member. She is still angry that Motlanthe took over from his son. I know that they are just people who hate or mistrust other people without any reason. No one should dispute your opinion since is the way you think.

What you don't know about Motlanthe is that he doesn't want people to use their power to settle their own political fight. And he doesn't want to belong to any faction, he is always stand on his own and not open to any individual. Is only God who knows his move and I don't blame you as you think he is dangerous. People want to know your stories and gossip, so you don't know his weaknesses. I like this character of Motlanthe, a man of principle and reconciliation. Not everyone knows your plans, they are just guessing. I foresee miracles in Mangaung, this man will emerge victorious and lead ANC and the country. Zuma will delegates or shift his responsibilities to Motlanthe as early as next year.
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JeanClaude

Well, one thing is guaranteed, Motlanthe as president = fat boy Malema back in the ANC.
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MGEEZ

@DJ-Winner
These are exactly the kind of things that make a man feel emotional. I feel like crying hearing those words from MaMbeki. MaMbeki is the last person I expected to support Zuma. It shows how united we are as South African people and ANC supporters. It shows people continue to choose leaders with their minds, not with their hearts. I feel like crying, really.
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Go ahead DJ; what are you waiting for?
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Ponko.Fontoyo

mashima?
Previously during Mbeki's lecture gogo was not happy and wondering what is it that they are going to say about her son, now she is contracdicting herself. This people may be they think SA are not good listeners. Gogo did they double your old age pension after your son 's lecture.

Zuma ancestors are working, he slaughtered 12 cows, now Gogo change her tune.
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MGEEZ

@mashima?
Previously during Mbeki's lecture gogo was not happy and wondering what is it that they are going to say about her son, now she is contracdicting herself. This people may be they think SA are not good listeners. Gogo did they double your old age pension after your son 's lecture.
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The two are not related!!! Not knowing what JZ will say in a lecture about TM is not the same with JZ contesting for presidency against KM; surely even you can see the difference. It takes an objective mature person to seperate issues as MaMbeki has done in the two stories and that should never be interpreted to mean she changed her mind at all.
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Bdoobs

Gogo didn't have clever tablets before this interview, plus she might not even live to see next year, so gogo leave SA future to us and worry about the past.
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Tobby

@asaowe
Leave Gogo Mbeki alone she just voicing her opinion, freedom of speech ppl
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Fully agree with you Asaowe, they must give her a chance to talk her opinion. If your gogo is useless and old fashioned your father is not a president type and will never be, don't be jealous of MamMbeki and her son....... please get a life
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DeOvi

@zuluchick
i some what agree with her, the deputy is not an ideal option and if Mr Zuma didnt come back I wouldnt care but who else is there....personally i want Thuli Madonsela but is that even possible?
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i agree with u, Thuli is an ideal person to be a president

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Tibub

The gogo has point Msholozi will win with a big margin or uncontested but as his leadership skills he has none
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Shredder

Good observation makhulu. Zuma is public visible thief, dictator and liar. Motlanthe on the other is just quiet you can tell where he stands. So which would you prefer to rule the country? No one between those two. I am not voting for those two guys.
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mlamuli

Hmmm Good reasoning Gogo ,you just pointing at the facts not at what we expect to hear..Zuma have a big chance to become a president for the second term due to no chalengers for his seat..
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Ma-Bhova

I have to agree with Logogo, Kgalema is painfully shy is we getting irritated by his quiet diplomacy now.
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Shredder

@GhettoCheeck
Eish Gogo pleease stick to what you do best knitting and your spaza shop.
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At least gogo has said something relevant. What about you? It was better if you coud have not said anything. Is gogo not a South African? Is she not allowed to vote?
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Shredder

DJ-Winner
It shows how united we are as South African people and ANC supporters
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Oh no, you didn't say that.....
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Moffdat

agggghhhh not this again. I'm going to the sports page.

No matter who becomes president you still reep what you sow as an individual!
A president may move a man but the soul belongs to the man!
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Shredder

@DJ-Winner -
@andmuchmore -

"Msholozi is ... easy-going and at times fails to make his own decisions. He wants to please everyone. In the end, he could fail to fulfil all his promises. That is the weakness of his leadership and will be his downfall as a leader. The ANC needs a stronger leader,
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mlamuli

@Shredder
Msholozi is ... easy-going and at times fails to make his own decisions. He wants to please everyone. In the end, he could fail to fulfil all his promises. That is the weakness of his leadership and will be his downfall as a leader. The ANC needs a stronger leader.

True there but the problem is those so called strong leaders are not strong enough to come foward for us to decide or vote.
So we will continue having Zuma and Montlante to lead us to dust.mxm
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guiliano

@SOWETAN -Is she behind zuma or is she stating the obvious?
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Dzel

I don't understand this reasoning that people don't know what Motlanthe stands for. Is Zuma campaigning on specific points, is he pushing one policy over the other? ANC politics are about personalities and camps, not substantive policy issues so the statement is very curious. Zuma himself is campaigning on a collective decision making ticket and his self-serving party unity slogan but we know he stands for poor leadership and corruption so how can he be worse than Zuma?

We pretend we don't know Motlanthe, the man was president of South Africa for 7 months or so. It was an uneventful presidency except the controversial dropping of corruption charges Zuma was facing. I would rather have a calm Motlanthe presidency than another disastrous Zuma term riddled with crisis, poor deliver, corruption, abuse of state funds, no accountability or consequences for looting of state coffers and absent leadership. Whatever Motlanthe stands for it can't be worse that what we have been exposed to under Zuma's leadership.

What Motlanthe is doing is he is steering clear of slate politics and a leadership campaign based on promises and compromises so he can lead the party; the man wants to stay clean I totally respect that. The opposite is Zuma who by the time he won the presidency he owned debts to COSATU, the SACP, ANCYL, ANCWL, KZN leadership and everyone else so when he became president he had to reward all these parties and he is using state resources and a bloated cabinet to buy favours. How can the state not be corrupt when positions are created to co-opt individuals and cliques?

I'll take Motlanthe any day thank you.
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Bra_A

The women must have studied leadership. She is not supporting Zuma but she knows like 52 Million South Africans that he will win. But he is not a strong leader. SA has strong leaders, but they are in business.
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What makes Motlanthe a weak leader Boss, please explain your reasoning.

Need I remind you that is an ex-president of South Africa we are talking about here or have you forgotten?
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Da-undisputed

MaGogo has a point here,atleast Zuma has balls 2 make some decisions.
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ThirdEye

There is consistance to what she is saying, this is not the first time she raise this & I find her reasoning in order
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Dzel

Guys your insults are out of order, maMbeki is a significant figure given her relations to Govern Mbeki and Thabo Mbeki thus her opinion is important especially when one looks at recent history. Akesihlonipheni people, there is no need to be rude as we all have the right to state our opinions.
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Doculam

Ma-Mbeki you say Motlanthe doesn't have clear vision. Remembering an article by yourself not too long ago, I am totally in the dark about whether you have any clear vision. Seems like you suffer from memory loss. By the way, since when do we trust someone for the wrong they have done and the nonsense they speak (Zuma) and distrust someone (Motlanthe) for what he has NOT done or said?
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Dzel

Da-undisputed

MaGogo has a point here,atleast Zuma has balls 2 make some decisions.
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The Zuma I know is conspicuous in his absence every time we have a crisis to deal with; his is an absent leadership and when he is pushed into a corner he buries the problem under unnecessary commissions either so he can appear non-partisan or to buy time for himself as is the case with Marikana and other crises. I have yet to meet this decisive Zuma, I am told he is an illusive individual.
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ONEE

"I don't have confidence in Kgalema," she said. "He is a difficult character to understand. One does not know what he stands for. It is difficult to know where he would lead the ANC and country if he became president."
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I think MaMbheki is speaking through the assesments she has made and I agree with her.
Especially about Kgalema not been transparent, he is not showing me any strong charactors that I cn count on, atlist we need to see even if its a negative energy flowing but he is just seated there quietly and sneeking behind to ask Julias what do you think I should do next?
And Juju wants such people and he knows dat shud Kgalema take over he will drag him around like he wanted to do with Zuma nad Zuma bypassed him and dived through the waves and came out the opposite direction.

lets wait and c
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

Hey you,why do you disrespect maMbeki she's the right to have an input on this Mangaung thing?
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!#Sinudeity#!

If Mrs Mbeki says that Zuma is 'the lesser of two evils'...

Then you know, there is no good leadership in the ANC.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

I agree with MaMbeki about Mothlanthe......... he is very fickle and dangerous. As my mom would say he is a "submarine"......... you only realise its presence once its strikes........
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IamAJ

So????/
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lenyora13

I have made peace Zuma's second term..
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Sasha*-Fierce

@ Dzel
''What Motlanthe is doing is he is steering clear of slate politics and a leadership campaign based on promises and compromises so he can lead the party; the man wants to stay clean I totally respect that. The opposite is Zuma who by the time he won the presidency he owned debts to COSATU, the SACP, ANCYL, ANCWL, KZN leadership and everyone else so when he became president he had to reward all these parties and he is using state resources and a bloated cabinet to buy favours. How can the state not be corrupt when positions are created to co-opt individuals and cliques?

I'll take Motlanthe any day thank you.''
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Comrade Dzel, who told you that politics were fair? Even church Organisations are not fair! Please grow up! I know you can think better!
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

DJ-Winner
These are exactly the kind of things that make a man feel emotional. I feel like crying hearing those words from MaMbeki. MaMbeki is the last person I expected to support Zuma. It shows how united we are as South African people and ANC supporters. It shows people continue to choose leaders with their minds, not with their hearts. I feel like crying, really.
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Morning JM aka RBK

What do you meand by "WE"......... is it ANC masses????? I am not part of the "WE" as I do not see a visionary leaders in the current crop we have.........


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Intomb'omxhosa

SA needs a president who can sing, dance, chow 100 women a day and have a taxi driving experience , EISH MAGOGO !!!.............kwakwakwakwakwa!!! NNN!!!
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Lord-Have-Mercy

Morning lovers and haters!!
I start to be confused now because in the begining it was "anything but Zuma"
But now its "anything but Kgalema"
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TupacAmaru!

It's about time Kgalema tells us where he stands. Currently we are busy saying Kgalema4president but the coward had not said a word.
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zuluchick

mother knows best ...
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Dzel

Sasha*-Fierce

Comrade Dzel, who told you that politics were fair? Even church Organisations are not fair! Please grow up! I know you can think better!
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I don't think you've reflected on what it is you want to say. I'll give you 5 minutes to go sit in a quiet corner, think about your post and come back after 5 minutes and tell me if you still stand by your statement. Reason through what you want to say, you know some of what gets posted here is so disappointing one wonders what kind of an individual would say something like this.

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sowet123

"I don't have confidence in Kgalema," she said. "He is a difficult character to understand. One does not know what he stands for
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I agree with you 100% on this one but I also think o nyako bona zuma a failure gore batho ba bone gore Mbeki was indeed a good leader

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Mgwijikhwebu

Wise words from a wise woman. Indeed, JZ is by far better than Motlanthe in many ways. With JZ you know what to expect, but the same can't be said about the 'Invisible Man', Motlanthe...
Come back to the ANC mama-Mbeki. We need wise men and women like you.
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DarkKnight20916

This article is misleading to say the least. If the question is posed as to what is better Shoprite or Spar, if one say Shoprite that does not mean one support shoprite. My preferences could be Checkers. This is clearly demonstrated by her last sentence. She clearly has little confidence in the man but she just prefers him to his deputy. The headline could have so easily been "The ANC deserves a better leader". I would not be triumplist if I was a Zuma supported this is hardly an endorsment of Zuma leadership qualities.

"Msholozi is ... easy-going and at times fails to make his own decisions. He wants to please everyone. In the end, he could fail to fulfil all his promises. That is the weakness of his leadership and will be his downfall as a leader. The ANC needs a stronger leader," she said

"I don't have confidence in Kgalema," she said. "He is a difficult character to understand. One does not know what he stands for. It is difficult to know where he would lead the ANC and country if he became president."

On her son's recall in 2008 she said: "... the majority of the (ANC) national executive committee agreed on recalling Thabo. Msholozi had not single-handedly recalled Thabo, but the NEC collective did".

It came out Kgalema's biography that he saved Zuma's career when Mbeki wanted to expel him from the ANC. It can then be reasonably assumed that at the time of president Mbeki's recal as the ANC general secretary and someone who had worked very closely with the president Kgalema was expected to stand up for the president which he may not have done and this in turns informs Ma Mbeki's belief that he Kgalema cannot be trusted.

I have to agree with Ma Mbeki that the ANC needs a stronger leader.
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Damnright

Shame poor gogo, feeling so forced to support someone she hated for recalling her son, despite the obvious weaknesses highlighted, because the guy(JZ) have no serious competition in his own deputy(KM).

But gogo, let's all wait until the vote is counted in Mangaung........
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TupacAmaru!

MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
I agree with MaMbeki about Mothlanthe......... he is very fickle and dangerous. As my mom would say he is a "submarine"......... you only realise its presence once its strikes........
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Druza25

Some bloggers did not read the story fully, they just read the heading then commented. What Mam'Mbeki is saying is true. It iseveident that Zuma will win, people just don't trust Kgalema that's all. even though Kgalema is following the right ANC policies, to wait til lthe Branches nominate you then you can either dcline or accept the nomination. He can't just come out and say I wanna be President.
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DjEp

@Zwanga and Ponko.Fontoyo
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do yourself a favour copy this article and keep it in your rooms and that is the only way to understand politics not constitutions.
I told you yesterday Montlhante is playing hide and seek and if he doesnt come out early he is applying for his political suicide passport. Watch the space, one old lady said it
"..She said Motlanthe's quietness about his aspirations to become president was costing him dearly."


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DjEp

@Dzel,
Maybe MamBeki is also stupid like DjEp becuase she echoes the same sentiments.
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Sasha*-Fierce

Dzel
Sasha*-Fierce

Comrade Dzel, who told you that politics were fair? Even church Organisations are not fair! Please grow up! I know you can think better!
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I don't think you've reflected on what it is you want to say. I'll give you 5 minutes to go sit in a quiet corner, think about your post and come back after 5 minutes and tell me if you still stand by your statement. Reason through what you want to say, you know some of what gets posted here is so disappointing one wonders what kind of an individual would say something like this.
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You still have a long way to go before you can live in the world of reality! But at the moment you are not true to yourself! Let me tell you, when we block, there is no better comment or brilliant idea! Anything can be right provided how the reader interpret it! But there is no embarrassment enough like a commentator spewing insults out of nothing precisely! That is plain stupidity and uncivilized idiotic antics!
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My advise to you!
If you thought politics where fair than let me tell you the definition of politics, it is ''Lies, deceit, deceive, corruption, nepotism, sexual intimacy, extravagant, luxury, looting, self enrichment and personal interest'' Motlanthe ouwe wa gago fit very well in that definition! Note that there is no political head in the world who does not fit in that bracket! One advantage about Zuma/ Msholozi (as he is known in our ranks) is that ''he is an open book'' all his dirty laundry is out in the open for any body to see and surprisingly he is not hiding them like other ''Hypocrites''! Of course prescisely Sexwale, Winnie and Phosa and of course the ''Your Goathee''!


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Speackup

Clap, clap, clap to the old lady. You didn't let the removal of your son from the office cloud your judgement. What you said is what I've always contended, i.e. What has KM got to offer the electorate? This Anyone but Zuma nonsense is not going to help us, we might just as well go with the devil we know with his short comings than with a closed book.
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!#Sinudeity#!

Sasha*-Fierce - "One advantage about Zuma/ Msholozi (as he is known in our ranks) is that ''he is an open book'' all his dirty laundry is out in the open for any body to see"



Except the spy-tapes ne.
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Bra_A

@Dzel
What makes Motlanthe a weak leader Boss, please explain your reasoning.

Need I remind you that is an ex-president of South Africa we are talking about here or have you forgotten?
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I didnt forget. Zuma was also a vise president and at one time he will be an Ex - SA president. so is Botha. what difference does that make.

Here is you answer: you can read what others say about motlanthe & zuma and refer to competencies below to get the answer. I believe in the collective opinion as one opinion is misleading:

Truly effective leaders in addition to 10 core competencies below are also distinguished by a high degree of emotional intelligence, which includes self-awareness, self-regulation, motivation, empathy, and social skill.

10 CORE COMPETENCIES OF GOOD LEADERSHIP
There are 10 categories, each worth 10 points. If you feel you have a competency fully developed, give yourself 10 points. If it's not developed at all, no points. Grade yourself as follows: 50=F, 60=D, 70=C, 80=B, 90-100=A. Scores of 70+ are in the target range. Scores below 70 indicate weaknesses worth correcting, or else a lack of desire or suitability for leadership.

Use your results to create a development plan for your career. In other words, if you're lacking in an area, seek mentors, training or coaching to shore up your weakness. Most importantly, however, leverage your strengths.

Visionary.
Good leaders create a vision, a picture of the future, of where they want to take their organizations. Leaders can improve both the quality and acceptance of the vision by partnering with their peers, executive team, key employees throughout the organization or outside consultants. To get the best vision you need lots of ideas, and people support what they help to create.

Inspirational.
Once a vision is established, great leaders can inspire everyone in the company to get onboard. Employees in great organizations are passionate about what they do. This inspiration extends to customers, investors, suppliers, boards of directors and all other stakeholders.

This doesn't mean good leaders have to be charismatic or great public speakers, though some are. Leaders may inspire by example or in low-key ways. Every word and action demonstrates their passion for the vision.

Strategic.
Strategic leaders are clear and directly face the strengths and weaknesses of their own organizations, as well as their external opportunities and threats. They think in terms of leverage, fishing where the big fish are and partnering to gain market advantage. While interested in one sale, they would rather create pipelines and strategic alliances that generate thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of sales.


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Tasto_

@Wbteam\@Lulamile Feni - This is a very old article more than a month if not 2 & is edited for your particalur end,aagh man Mangaung is nearer anything to sell papers.Actually what she said was that if Kgalema wins that would confuse ppl in thinking ANC is on road to selfhealing.In fact she is encouraing Jacob Zuma to finish off the anc singlehandedly prior to 2014 !!
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Winilen

MaMbeki is correct at what she is saying... Zuma may seem as a worse leader but Kgalema is not doing anything also we are fighting his battles...so in either we are fckd
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Tasto_

@Webateam- actualy shea said we can't trust Kgalema because he is clever!! Now this article u make it as if Zuma is fit to lead which is contrary to what she meant!!
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Fistoz

This is South Africa, you may think its the people pushing Zuma , but it is the media itself, the media is trying to damage Zuma image and trying to fool the people so they tern against Zuma . (certain media thais),... and in tern , its not going their way cause the people they thought are dumb turnout to be not that damb, and now Zuma is going to be voted back , from those lines.
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Winilen

@Dzel
I don't understand this reasoning that people don't know what Motlanthe stands for. Is Zuma campaigning on specific points, is he pushing one policy over the other? ANC politics are about personalities and camps, not substantive policy issues so the statement is very curious. Zuma himself is campaigning on a collective decision making ticket and his self-serving party unity slogan but we know he stands for poor leadership and corruption so how can he be worse than Zuma?
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We understand that the ANC branches must choose who they want & no one should campaign. Some branches have chosen Zuma and he has accepted indirectly, he just slaughtered 12 cows to ask his incestors for guidance in Mangaung. Politics is a dirty game & if you cant play you must get out of the game.

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Illuminated10111

The good thing is we live in a democratic time and we are all entitled to our own opinion, mambheki‘s judgment is credited, as she personally knows the two men! But for us it is somewhat a difficult view! because we are so angry with the system we end up not giving a cow’s dung about who is “quiet” and who is “easy going” all we Need is to see change !
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Msholozi is ... easy-going and at times fails to make his own decisions. He wants to please everyone. In the end, he could fail to fulfill all his promises. That is the weakness of his leadership and will be his downfall as a leader.
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ok who is supposed to this “ strong leader” in this case? And just because sum1 is “easy-going” doesn’t mean they are strong leaders!

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Tasto_

She said - “[Deputy President Kgalema] Motlanthe is more dangerous, though, because he will impose his ideas and do what he wants whether you like it or not.

“Zuma is not right because he doesn’t have ideas that are his own.

“He accepts advice from anyone and allows their opinion and is bound to make wrong decisions because of this.

“Zuma is bad, but could be better - if he can make up his mind as a president and not allow confusion from people who want to use him to their own advantage. For reasons I don’t know, he allows them.”


Ps - http://w ww.iol.co.za/news/politics/mambeki-on-the-anc-zuma-and-her-son-1.1382194
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Msiphos00

I wonder if some of you read the article before writing all those lousy comments, cos some of the comments here are just pathetic
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AREJENGKAOFELA

90% percent of the commentators who endorse Zuma on this post are DA supporters who want to see the downfall of the ANC come 2014. Well I have news for you DA will never rule.
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JohnStone

Old as she is, give it to the MaMbeki, she is a pragmatist. She is not just supporting Zuma blindly or expecting any favours from him, she is just being realistic. She also pointed out Zuma's weakneses but believes that such by far outweighs the value of having Motlanthe whom nobody knows where he is gonna be headed to, it is like when Christians say "God's foolishness is by far above the highest levels of human wisdom". MaMbeki's arguments are indicative of someone who has thought through issues with emotional maturity that many commentators herein lack, hence all the nasty comments against her.

I also have some issues with Zuma' s character, but seeing how even the opposition is able to stand up to him, it is good for the country if the president is not seen as an "untouchble", just like we had with Mandela and Mbeki who cowed people into awe and submission. Zuma's presence in office and weakneses are the best thing that has ever happened to our democracy, all the parliamentary and legal challenges are a good test of how far can we go as a nation in defining our democracy and in our quest to protect our individual and collective freedoms.

The recent court case by the DA and mickey mouse parties with regard the "motion of no confidence" was a good thing too, now we know that even the DA is capable of making mistakes, misintepreting the rules of parliamnet, exxagerating their understanding of the constitution and making legal miscalculations.

All is not gloom, it is the way of politics.
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JohnStone - The 'vote of no confidence' made Nelspruit lose an incompetent mayor. Of course, with the duuumb@ss ANC peeps walking out of the meeting, left a majority DA council members to vote on the new mayor.

ANC incompetence biting itself in the ANC :P

Word of advice, get your ANC leaders to brush up on this thing called "Vote of no confidence", because one gets the feeling that the ANC leaders arent very clued up on protocols and procedures :P
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Kone

MaThabo!..........You are have the rights to air your opinion, BUT AS GOVERN MBEKI ALSWAYS SAY:POWER IS IN THE BRANCHIES.
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nikkibeema

come 2014 my blood will be blue...#team DA WAYAWAYA, ANC has bullied us and abused us, who needs em anyway?
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

MaMbeki retired from politics a long time ago. At 95 or 96 she should not be commenting on political matters. We hold her sons Thabo Mbeki and Moeletsi Mbeki in high esteem. She is also held in high esteem in her own right. But issues of leadership should be best left in the hands of younger people who will be affected not only in the immediate future, by such decisions. Nelso Mandela is quiet and is no longer commenting on political matters. Many people of MaMbeki's age are in Old Age Homes or deead and she is very blessed to still be alive. One's sunset years are best spent in solitude, meditation and prayer and also time with family and friends, and definitely not in politics.
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JohnStone

@!#Sinudeity#!
JohnStone - The 'vote of no confidence' made Nelspruit lose an incompetent mayor. Of course, with the duuumb@ss ANC peeps walking out of the meeting, left a majority DA council members to vote on the new mayor.

ANC incompetence biting itself in the ANC :P

Word of advice, get your ANC leaders to brush up on this thing called "Vote of no confidence", because one gets the feeling that the ANC leaders arent very clued up on protocols and procedures :P
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Tlokwe Municipality is in Potchefstroom not Nelspruit you duuumb@ss !!! It was aslo a good thing that it happened, it also debunks the myth perpetuated by you habitual liers about ANC members being "unthinking sheep", they revolted against one of their own for reasons best known to themselves and since I have my own issues with our ANC in WC, I better work harder in my branch, region and province and allow those in NW and Luthuli House deal with the Tlokwe issue.

Commenting about it in the media will not deal with the underlying causes of such a fallout that allowed some political palooka to become mayor by default.
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Laqasha

isende lami.
By that, I greet you all.
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Kone - The truth.


The ANC sheep think power is in the branches...

But the true power lies with the cabal of top dawgs.
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Kone

nikkibeema

The descendent of slaves, will defend their mother land with everything at their disposal, If it come to a push, we will go back to the bush.

Our revolution was not cheap, Blood of an African child gave birth to this freedom.
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Makhosini0408

Mama Mbeki is right.
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JohnStone - Potchefstroom, Nelspruit, whatever. Inconsequential to the fact that the ANC incompetence, and deployed cadred, made it lose a municipality.

ANC incompetence and corruption is going to cost you provinces and more municipalities.

The ANC has lost more than 30 wards to the DA in the past few months.

You must be $h1tting yourself.
Time to escalate the 'Blou gevaar' propaganda!

Come on, tell us how the DA will bring apartheid back :P
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JohnStone - Even more funny, when it was time to elect a new mayor, the majority of ANC duuumb@sses walked out of the meeting. Leaving the DA to handpick their new mayor :P

Hehe, gotta love ANC incompetence when it costs them, and not South Africa.
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TheNewFreedomFighter

When a friend offers you a choice of two apples and you can see that both have worms in them, would you not politely decline to pick either of them?

The mindset of this woman and all ANC supporters that have been driven into a choice between bad and worse by the ANC, is a sorry sight for those who are enlightened enough to see through the ANC's bankrupt leadership and blind supporters.
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totalrecall

At that age but she still make sense, I now see where did T Boz & the brother get the brains.
Not so emotional like many so called policatical analysts.

the ANC should start naturing its young leaders as they did to TBoz and others, so that they do not find themselves in this dilema of Shawara

Again Thuli for Prez...........it's a big dream that you will forget in the morning, and she knows that.............
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Laqasha

We will vote for Zuma, but he must let us in on the gravy, nathi sithole izifebe, ngekhe aziqede on his own.
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Bongzzah

Her comment sadly show that her loyalty lies on the ANC than the country. Zuma is evidently running the country to the ground and it is no longer funny. What we need is for the DA to position itself and take over the running of the country in 2014 in a coalition of opposition parties arrangement like in Lesotho. I personally have had enough of being embarrassed by the likes of Zuma and his controversies. He is letting down the country big time.
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TheNewFreedomFighter

@Laqasha
Shame. The days when Zulu kings ran around dressed in skins and waving a spear and the only way you could get anywhere was to devote your life to the king lest you get murdered, have long passed. Now, in the modern world, people rely on intellect to get ahead in society. I just thought you may want to know that.
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somaartakeit

So you support someone who clearly stands for corruption? Mma Mbeki I sincerely do hope that you were being misquoted cause nje I will respect for you for supporting super corrupt man for presidency. Moeletsi please speak sense to your mother before she jeopordise the good Mbeki name.
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sosnana

MaMbeki doesnt know wer Motlhante will lead the country! well atleast she knows zuma is takin us to to the gutter
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Bohlale1

The elder is talking the truth!!
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Dzel

Sasha*-Fierce

If you thought politics where fair than let me tell you the definition of politics, it is ''Lies, deceit, deceive, corruption, nepotism, sexual intimacy, extravagant, luxury, looting, self enrichment and personal interest'' Motlanthe ouwe wa gago fit very well in that definition! Note that there is no political head in the world who does not fit in that bracket! One advantage about Zuma/ Msholozi (as he is known in our ranks) is that ''he is an open book'' all his dirty laundry is out in the open for any body to see and surprisingly he is not hiding them like other ''Hypocrites''! Of course prescisely Sexwale, Winnie and Phosa and of course the ''Your Goathee''!
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Iyo, I have given you hours and still it escapes you:

1. How about we go for the best leadership available, I am not talking about who are standing but capable leaders within the party? Of course there looks like this will be a two-man horse race; we should be looking at who has the better qualities, has better leadership qualities, is the least compromised of the two and so you go down the least and look for virtues. Telling me all leaders are corrupt is borderline idiot; since when have we started defining ourselves by who the weakest link is?

2. Reasoning that because we know of Zuma's many fatal weaknesses so that puts him in prime position again is not clever. His many flaws should be enough to desuade anyone who two-brain cells to rub together unless of course you stand to benefit somehow from his reelection. What you don't get is you know only the tip of the iceberg, there is a lot that we don't know yet because it has not been made public. Zuma tries hard to keep you uninformed including attempts to introduce the secrecy bill.

E-tolling, absolutely no transparency.

Nkandlaville - your president would rather lie and speak of non-existent bonds but Mr Gedleyihlekisa Bond does not even understand when you tell a stupid lie like that there are ways of checking up on that info. He rather invoke apartheid laws like the Key Points Act to protect himself, this is a man who has never been honest with the public and everything we know about him is because he could not keep a lid on it had he had his way we would not know.

Boss you can't even tell when your logic is swak, why should these things be explained to you?

Come on people, this is the future of our country and the legacy we will be leaving for our kids, surely the least you can do is think this through and use the right logic to elect leaders, you are displaying laxy thinking Sasah and unfortunately your vote affects all of us. Use your vote responsible, I can't believe you would submit this "all politicians are corrupt" logic and actually think you have made a point.
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Bra_A

I didnt forget. Zuma was also a vise president and at one time he will be an Ex - SA president. so is Botha. what difference does that make.
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What difference does it make?

Well it makes a world of difference, he has proven his leadership in the highest office and when he was in charge things did not fall apart. Now compare that to the disastrous Zuma presidency and tell me if you can say the same about Zuma.

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Mzabalazo

At some point in time she was private spokes lady for Copeology and I knew then that she could not read any political lines, she does that again, by endorsing the directionless president. As much as I know that Motlanthe cannot make any difference as long as the the ANC does not address its crazy direction, I will never say or think Zuma can be trusted, let alone think he is better than the Mr position shy. granny your political time is up, leave politics to us who still have a long way to go. Your political journey ended in 19994, better leave it at that. Take a good lesson from Madiba, he does not make stupid comments , he knows that his party is messing up the country, as it lead by thugs.
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cornelius

I have a different opinion of Mothlanthe, but I must say, when MaMbeki voices an opinon like this, one must sit up and take notice - she has innermost knowledge, is no fool, and tells it like it is.
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somaartakeit

sosnana
MaMbeki doesnt know wer Motlhante will lead the country! well atleast she knows zuma is takin us to to the gutter
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and she doesn't want to be kept in suspense (Mothlante) she wants to go to the gutter sooner than later.

I read this story some time ago on another newslet, it said nothing about Mrs Mbeki prefering Zuma to Mothlante more than she was quoted as having said then, she finds that Mothlante is to be keeping his cards close to his chest, she didn't say she would vote for Zuma, further on the same article, she declined an invite from Zuma camp not sure what it was about, cause she is still angry with him over the Mbeki saga, now I am surprised that Sowetan say she said she would vote for Zuma over Mothlante, hence I said in m y original comment I pray for her sake that this she is being misquoted by Sowetan.
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skwamasamabele

Dzel- you cannot use this forum to recruit for anti-zuma brigade. The core ANC support will determine if Zuma is fit enough to lead the ANC, then, you and your clique can waith for 2014 to air your vernom. Why this obsession about an ANC leader if you are inkatha or whoever? concentrate on recruiting for your party and leave the ANC to mind its own business, then we should see in 2014 who is the boss
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Mgwijikhwebu

Thank you Epainette, you rae the greatest grandma on earth for telling it as is.
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skwamasamabele - "The core ANC support will determine if Zuma is fit enough to lead the ANC"


You mean, the core Zuma support, will force this scuuumbag onto the rest of the country, even though he is not fit to lead.
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Dzel

skwamasamabele

Dzel- you cannot use this forum to recruit for anti-zuma brigade. The core ANC support will determine if Zuma is fit enough to lead the ANC, then, you and your clique can waith for 2014 to air your vernom. Why this obsession about an ANC leader if you are inkatha or whoever? concentrate on recruiting for your party and leave the ANC to mind its own business, then we should see in 2014 who is the boss
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We are discussing the state of our country here and that the impact of Manguang is going to be.

If you had applied your mind and thought properly about what is about to happen you would appreciate the consequences and how it will take our country down should the looting cabal remain in power.

The least you can do is highlight flaws in my arguments, engage me though debate rather than telling Manguang does not affect as it affects me and my family in every conceivable way. It is sad this is a decision that lies in the hands of people who think like you, people who cannot differentiate between right and wrong.

Must I sit back and watch the ANC make foolish decisions?

What makes Zuma a good leader I ask you!
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Zenzelisto

sadly this magriza has a point, however this also point out that ANC lacks when it comes to competent leaders who have the countries best interest at heart. If an idiotic incompetent, liar like zuma can claim the presidency chair by default and not merit. PRO-ANC as I am, I am not willing to waste my vote on zuma ild much rather vote for Holomisa even if he won’t win. In my eyes anything is beter than zuma again. If he could not deliver with 1trillion to spare what are the chances that he’ll deliver with less? Given that he and malema have managed to scare a couple of investors and potential ones away with their childish feud.

The time has come for the “Old boys” of the ANC to cheer-pad and give way to younger leaders with new ideas, please exclude malema from that list until his grown another brain cell to rub with the lonely 1 he has now.

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Mzabalazo

I don't blame Mothlante for been afraid to avail himself, he knows that if he wins he will faced with a mission impossible, he cannot change a da#mn thing in the ANC, the people who control this party are Former exile-Mafia clique who are in control of the MK and the NIA. People like the late JOe Modise. I know people do not like to hear such stuff. But ask yourselves one question, why do we always appalling police ministers? Why the ANC brass never get shaken from corruption? Why did we end up with a president who was involved in corruption? Why did Tat' uMadiba "Yem-yem" nor honourable leaders like Tat'uSisulu never commented on arms deal? Why did the ANC brass kept quite on such a big scale. Madiba was very brave and he is known for voicing his opinion, take for instance what he said against the USA- " America must stop making itself the world police", " America has the right to defend itself and attack Bin Laden" - that was Tata's speech after 9/11. But nothing is heard of the level of corruption that the ANC government is involved in. This is worrisome, it reminds me of the government of NIgeria silence on corruption from the 70's. if our leaders cannot confront this evil then the evil will confront them. The corruption legacy that ANC is leaving as an inheritance for the future generations to come is not challenged and the few that raise their voices are drowned by blind mice who live in the past, who thinks that criticising the ANC is undemocratically and reactionary. They want us accept blindly the ra#ping of our country by former liberation movement. If some in the ANC were standing against such atrocities then we would not criticise the ANC but the individuals involved, but since the the few dedicated leaders of the ANC say nothing against the acts of their comrades, it means the whole of the ANC is compliance.
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skwamasamabele

Dzel- I understand your anti-Zuma sentiments, I agree mostly with you about his running of the country is far from desirable. I think you need to put your energies towards the next party in govt, obviously not the ANC. My view, come Mangaung, is I need to see a new, young intellectual who understands deprivation and plight of our people, to lead my forefathers' ANC towards the next GE, then it would be up to the electorate to decide who they want in govt. come 2014. Zuma is a weak leader, the ANC is a strong organisation, therefore we need a new leader. Is that too complicated for you, sir??
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Mzabalazo

Is complacent not compliance
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skwamasamabele

I wish you appreciated the gravity of the decision that is going to come from Mangaung. You can be as dismissive of Zackie's position that he will resign should Zuma be re-elected but that is the sentiment common amongst friends and acquitances who understand politics.

When the ANC left Polokwane it came back without a soul; the party is going to Mangaung on ICU, it is up to the rank and file to understand Mangaung is about the survival of the ANC rather than who emerges victorious.

I foresaw the trouble that would follow after Polokwane, I am telling you today and now that if members want to suffocate the little life the party still has then go ahead and elect Zuma. It will be a kairos moment where nothing will ever be the same again. The party has survived 100 years mostly being liberation years but all this will be destroyed in 5 years, just wait and see.

Jacob Zuma (JZ) said the ANC will lead until Jesus comes (JC) but I say it will rule until JZ wins a second term in office. the party under estimates the frustration not only the public has but also those who have love for the party at heart. It is sad for me to watch the current leadership make a mockery of everything positive the party stands for. They are destroying our beloved ANC bit by bit and I say our ANC because this is a party that used to belong to all of us but not it belongs to Zuma and his corrupt bunch; I can't express in words the anger and sadness I feel right now and I am powerless to do anything about it. So when you flash your membership around all I feel is sadness on how even membership can't see what is in the interest of the party and our beautiful country, the is how deep the rot is.
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skwamasamabele

Sinudeity- Read above what I responded to Dzel about. The ANC needs a new leader to deal with corruption, nepotism and maladministration. Whether we win the next GE wholly depends on who leads us (ANC) there. I can see there would be problems if Zuma is re-elected, people are not happy, I am not happy, though I was lucky enough to leave a sinking ship in 1994, when I knew the ANC leadership (under Mandela) was not going to deliver
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Zenzelisto

I am thoroughly puzzled by any tax payer who rallies behind zuma or malema for that matter. Let’s look at zuma’s “grade 2 leaders” – we’ve had education flops as oppose to firing Angie he moves her around, unemployment rising, corruption of officials rising who’s to blame them as they report to someone corrupt too, housing backlog, toilets, questionable tender process and my 2 recent favourites “e-tolling” and “I got a bond for Nkandla”. Bakithi isikolo sibalulekile, fundisani izingane.
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skwamasamabele

Zuma is a weak leader, the ANC is a strong organisation, therefore we need a new leader. Is that too complicated for you, sir??
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Not for me no but you seem little confused; if you are not part of the Zuma clique why then would you have a problem with me highlighting his many glaring weaknesses?

I would be satisfied with a Motlanthe leading the ANC, he has not done anything for me to doubt his credential but uZuma yena heck no. That man will ruin our country and has been at it for three years; that is three years too many in my opinion, why would anyone in their right mind give him seven more years to finish his mission?

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Mzabalazo

NOV 28, 2012
skwamasamabele
Dzel- I understand your anti-Zuma sentiments, I agree mostly with you about his running of the country is far from desirable. I think you need to put your energies towards the next party in govt, obviously not the ANC. My view, come Mangaung, is I need to see a new, young intellectual who understands deprivation and plight of our people, to lead my forefathers' ANC towards the next GE, then it would be up to the electorate to decide who they want in govt. come 2014. Zuma is a weak leader, the ANC is a strong organisation, therefore we need a new leader. Is that too complicated for you, sir??
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Unfortunately the deprive young people will never be in the front seat. It will be the tenderprenuers who are already in such positions. Gigaba was once a youth, Mbalula was once a a youth, but they were not deprived, so the culture of leadership not only in the ANC but all the political parties in our country is about producing the replica of the old guard. What have they shown to be pro the poor, to be understanding the basic needs of our people. They cannot even convince their party to improve the level of education for its voters , they know the state of schools in the townships and rural areas, yet you will never ever hear them campaigning on that issue. All they are looking forward to is the reward that one gets to in the ANC connections tenders , positions and perks in the govt. so stop deluding yourself that young ANC intellectuals will make a change for the masses or the direction that the ANC is going, they all content with the direction of the ANC, those who are worried , are only worried about Zuma not the status quo.
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somaartakeit

@Mzabalazo I echo your views, and like many SAns Iove Madiba I want to believe that he is a saint but he is NOT, it was him who endorsed Zuma whilst corruption charges were still fresh , at the time Madiba was already immobile, but instead of using his last energy to fight for the prosperity of our country he use his last energy to go endorsed a president with a cloud of corruption hanging over his head, and as Madiba is a father and a grandfather, he endorsed a man accused of rape. I hate to believe that our golden father of the nation did to this but he did this to us. I also fail to understand why talking against America's world bullyism is considered to be brave, do you know that how many ordinary ppl incl Americans who have spoken out against this bullyism.

Bravery on the part of Madiba would have been to say to Zuma, please comrade you must stand trial and clear your name in the court of law like he did but instead he joined the momb into helping to overinflate zuma (the thief's) ego. If Madiba were to pass on now, I don't how I should remember him as.
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tyzer

difficult character to understand. yes it is true. intellectuals understand the man. great minds think alike. win or loose in mangaung, he is striving to still be there beyond mangaung, to save the ship from sinking more. you must be diplomatic in this dictatorial admin.
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somaartakeit

Tyzer the anc now is not in the era of intellectualism its in the era of political thuggery and hooliganism and illiterates, that's why Mbeki was unceremoniously shifted the way that he was, without due concern to what such actions will do the image of our country as a direct result of that, the world is now aware that we are as much capable of carrying out a coup like all other countries run by militants, what foreign investors are now doing, like they are doing in Congo is to fund fastest rebel to get them the minerals hence we have Marikane, also the era of valuing education which happened to be the main core of the struggle against apartheid is long gone dude look at the education system and tell me if today's youth are getting better education compared to pre 1994? and I can give you an answer already, the quality of matrics and uni grads is such that you have unemployables roaming the streets, and when curtesy of the gov these unemployables are given jobs in the gov, evidence of incompetence is glaring I don't even need to explain that, just look to any gov department and see collapsation corruption or work ethics.
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@!#Sinudeity#!
JohnStone - Potchefstroom, Nelspruit, whatever. Inconsequential to the fact that the ANC incompetence, and deployed cadred, made it lose a municipality.

ANC incompetence and corruption is going to cost you provinces and more municipalities.

The ANC has lost more than 30 wards to the DA in the past few months.

You must be $h1tting yourself.
Time to escalate the 'Blou gevaar' propaganda!

Come on, tell us how the DA will bring apartheid back :P
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JohnStone - Even more funny, when it was time to elect a new mayor, the majority of ANC duuumb@sses walked out of the meeting. Leaving the DA to handpick their new mayor :P
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Since you specialize in hurling insults, I will am tempted to throw a few your way. But then, stooping to your level might make you a winner. Like I said to RobinX the other day. "I decline the invitation from a piglet for me to join the piglet in the mud for a wrestling match, we aready know who will loose since the battle ground was choosen by the piglet itself".

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Mzabalazo

NOV 28, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mzabalazo I echo your views, and like many SAns Iove Madiba I want to believe that he is a saint but he is NOT, it was him who endorsed Zuma whilst corruption charges were still fresh , at the time Madiba was already immobile, but instead of using his last energy to fight for the prosperity of our country he use his last energy to go endorsed a president with a cloud of corruption hanging over his head, and as Madiba is a father and a grandfather, he endorsed a man accused of rape. I hate to believe that our golden father of the nation did to this but he did this to us. I also fail to understand why talking against America's world bullyism is considered to be brave, do you know that how many ordinary ppl incl Americans who have spoken out against this bullyism.

Bravery on the part of Madiba would have been to say to Zuma, please comrade you must stand trial and clear your name in the court of law like he did but instead he joined the momb into helping to overinflate zuma (the thief's) ego. If Madiba were to pass on now, I don't how I should remember him as.
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That was the day I really realised that democracy can be both a poison and a remedy, a poison when the majority overwhelmingly vote for a man who slept with a friend's daughter, stood trial for a rape, sleeping with a woman without using a condom yet having a knowledge that the person he was having s#ex with was HIV+, a man who was was positively involved in arms deal corruption. Zuma pretended to have repented from his sleeping around, yet as a president he made a friend 's daughter pregnant . A remedy when an accountable party is in power. Today some of the people whom we told that Zuma is the worst thing that has ever happen in Mzansi other than apartheid , they wanted our heads off. But today they realise what a bad choice they have made.

If people can just take off their political blinkers and become political consumers rather than political foot soldiers then the ANC that they so much love will be rejuvenated. As long as the ANC is guaranteed a win every 5 year, then it won't take stock of its retrogressive actions and make amends, it will not grow in governance, as people reward it for destroying the country.
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GrRRRpha

The 4000 ANC delegates are welcome to keep Zuma 4 second term as their president, as long as they dont force him on us. We the voters dont want him as the country's president
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skwamasamabele

Dzel- Personally, as revolutionary socialist, I would prefer a complete change in the system (from capitalism to socialism), but, like Marx said, in order for socialism to work, it has to be international. Now, I look at SA politics, I see no alternative to the ANC, which is why I am advocating CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP in Mangaung. In all essence I agree with you on the governance, but I detect you are disillusioned with the entire party (ANC) whereas I am not. I still have faith in reviving the ANC, by and large you seem to have either defected or in the process of. That is the difference in our arguments.
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skwamasamabele

JohnStone- Please concentrate on the matters in hand, throwing insults is a retrogressive step. I wont go to Mangaung, purely because I would be stationed in North Syria (I work for the UN) but if you do, you realise our party cannot continue with Zuma at the helm. WE DO NEED CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, otherwise the ANC would commit political suicide come GE in 2014. Oh, leave Sinudeity alone, he is fighting his corner, and a losing battle. Keep me posted on:crocjj1@yahoo.co.uk
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Laqasha

The woman from Guinea Conakry, she has big breasts and big bums, I like very much.
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Mzabalazo

NOV 28, 2012
GrRRRpha
The 4000 ANC delegates are welcome to keep Zuma 4 second term as their president, as long as they dont force him on us. We the voters dont want him as the country's president
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Unfortunately the decision of the 4000 ANC delegates is going to be endorsed democratically by the majority of the South Africans through their votes nationally and we will have Zuma for the second term. As sad as it is that is how we will end up after elections. Sad indeed.
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Dzel

skwamasamabele

Dzel- Personally, as revolutionary socialist, I would prefer a complete change in the system (from capitalism to socialism), but, like Marx said, in order for socialism to work, it has to be international. Now, I look at SA politics, I see no alternative to the ANC, which is why I am advocating CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP in Mangaung. In all essence I agree with you on the governance, but I detect you are disillusioned with the entire party (ANC) whereas I am not
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But then surely if there is systematic corruption all the way down to branch level then the organisation needs to purge itself of these elements at all levels. I strongly believe it is in the interest of the party to lose the general elections from them to take five and take stock at where the party is and what do they need to do to get it on track. So long as there is more to be made by being a member then little will change.

Unfortunately corruption and kickbacks are a way of life in the ANC.

You are posted in Syria, I feel for you .. must be tough but also an eye opener on what happens when the people are fed up with those in power.

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GrRRRpha

@Mzabalazo
Unfortunately the decision of the 4000 ANC delegates is going to be endorsed democratically by the majority of the South Africans through their votes nationally and we will have Zuma for the second term. As sad as it is that is how we will end up after elections. Sad indeed.
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I wish it was up to us. I forsee a situation where JZ wins and come 2014, so called clever black refuse to vote for the ANC
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somaartakeit

@Mzabalazo, whilst I don't agree how a woman organisation as powerful as that of they anc, why they vote a man who has tendencies of an abuser, I understand that they themselves are products of domestic and other types of abuse in their immediate environments, so I understand that girls who grew up in this type of environment look for partners who behaved to them like the abusive male members of the families towards them?

But to impose such a man to the entire nation is just beyond comprehension, cuz young men are going to follow his footsteps and think that his behaviur is acceptable/cool, just check at how many males idolising this man, how they talk about/to women (you don't want to imagine) what they do to women when they are off line.

You know Mzabalazo the scary part about our national politics is the rate they detoriarate at, ppl these days are afraid to voice independent opinions about country's political situation, we have just become like Zimbabwe, many don't agree with the direction our country is taking but are too afraid to speak out, some tell me that, if one speaks out they will target you, especially if you work for a gov dept, this is exactly how Mugabe obtained absolute power over his subjects.

Once the media tribunal is in place we all realise what the anc ppl are being warned against now, the anc has already shown that its not shy to use the might of the police (security forces) just like apartheid did against the citizens, refer Marikane.

Watching this horror event unfolding from a distance the picture is frightening, that's all I can say for my part and desperately feel sorry for ppl who have no alternatives and those who believed that a liberation movement is capable of running a gov effectively and for the benefit of the ppl, the whole world over where liberation movements became gov most citizens in those countries have become political refugees those who are staying behind live in abject poverty, you can compare start up north to the horn of Africa. It is for this reason SA need to a new gov URGENTLY.
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Dzel

Mzabalazo

Unfortunately the decision of the 4000 ANC delegates is going to be endorsed democratically by the majority of the South Africans through their votes nationally and we will have Zuma for the second term. As sad as it is that is how we will end up after elections. Sad indeed.
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Or the nation will revolt and show the ANC the middle finger.

What needs to happen just like the ANC uses visual effects like t-shirts we need to do likewise to show solidarity and get people to change their minds. I am thinking t-shirts with messages like "I may be black but I am not held hostage by my blackness", "Not in my name", "rise up against corruption", something not linked to a specific party but still unites the nation behind one voice.

The problem with South Africa is we are scared of authority and we take ANC positions as gospel. I refuse to accept that there is nothing that can be done to prevent a Zuma second term, we need to fight back instead of accepting defeat.
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Laqasha

@somaartakeit
Indeed this is horror unfolding, unbelievable!

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asaowe

GrRRRpha
@Mzabalazo
Unfortunately the decision of the 4000 ANC delegates is going to be endorsed democratically by the majority of the South Africans through their votes nationally and we will have Zuma for the second term. As sad as it is that is how we will end up after elections. Sad indeed.
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I wish it was up to us. I forsee a situation where JZ wins and come 2014, so called clever black refuse to vote for the ANC

Either way I forsee a situation where Motlanthe wins and come 2014, so called clever black refuse to vote for the ANC because he align hmself with JUju and nationalisation we a periodicaly fUked up still.


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Dzel

GrRRRpha

I wish it was up to us. I forsee a situation where JZ wins and come 2014, so called clever black refuse to vote for the ANC
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I foresee black people voting for the DA in droves because they have been forced to go that way.

These guys can't even be trusted with their majority in parliament, I rather have a coalition government in place so long as it saves us from a nightmare that is a second term for JZ. Its a good thing the opposition is seeking ways to cooperate and adopt a united front.
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skwamasamabele

Dzel- The people will not tolerate another Zuma term, but if he is de-selected in Mangaung, black people would have more confidence in the ANC. I would advocate for Lamola to stand for leadership, he appears strong enough and I am happy that he has fallen out with that reptile Malema. Lets face it, what is the alternative to the ANC??
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somaartakeit

@Laqasha the problem the ppl supporting anc are not able to see the bigger picture or ability to pay attention to what their leaders are doing to the country, Zuma's second term will spell dissaster for SA especially the poor who have no means to property themselves from the wrath this corruption is unleashing country-wide, did you know living expenses in SA are more expensive than in Europe for salary or survival means many are forced to live under? What is even more shocking is that European counterparts have free or minimal contribution to public health, and public transport is gov sponsored , in SA ppl have to literally fork out for everything themselves, plus the few (middle class) having some means are overburdened with tax of having to carry social grants which are escalating at an alarming rate, we say tax contributions must be reflectd in the standard of living of the masses at the moment it is not, hence I say the gov must be recalled.
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somaartakeit

skwamasamabele

" Lets face it, what is the alternative to the ANC??" are you saying anc is the best political party in SA? then I hate to think what your version of worse political party is.
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Dzel

skwamasamabele

Dzel- The people will not tolerate another Zuma term, but if he is de-selected in Mangaung, black people would have more confidence in the ANC. I would advocate for Lamola to stand for leadership, he appears strong enough and I am happy that he has fallen out with that reptile Malema. Lets face it, what is the alternative to the ANC??
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Lamola? ... LOL .. you are kidding right?
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Laqasha

@somaartakeit
true. Are you a political scientist by profession? Am just asking
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skwamasamabele

Dzel- Just come out of the closet, who do you think is good enough in SA to govern corruption-free??
DA, NFP, IFP, COPE, or Soccer Party of Sinudeity & Somaartakeit?? Didnt think so.
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somaartakeit

@Laqasha my profession is wellness and nutrion. my observation ito politics comes from comparing notes with countries I lived and worked in and comparing then and now how much has changed on the ground, everytime I am in SA poverty levels are deeper, and the funny part the leaders are busy fighting over control of the purse not to help ppl at the grassroots, you have no idea how many young ppl are begging on the side of the street and some are car guards which amounts to being beggers at the end of the day cause there is no way one can sustain oneself and their families on the income of car guarding, all places of entertainment like guest houses and hotels black ppl are there as employees, which means with this 18yr freedom we have attained we are still economic underdogs, something is (IMO) wrong with this picture I dont' understand why ppl have such low expectations frm these leaders, also this gov has failed to create a climate whereby upcoming enterpreneurs can parttake in the development (econmically and socially) of township so ppl there can sustain themselves, btw in my township, I don't anyone who has not experience criminality, and the police just around and stir in a blank space.
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