Nov 27, 2012 | Hlengiwe Nhlabathi Political Reporter |
395
comments
PRESIDENT Jacob Zuma may dance his way to the top of the charts in Mangaung after the release of a CD titled Tribute To President Jacob Zuma: Msholozi 2nd Term.
We must just make peace with this Zuma will walk unopposed in Mangaung, not becuase there are no capable other leaders but a fear of political suicide. Zuma i wish you luck in Mangaung, but i dont know about 2014. Just dont forget "he who lives by the gun shall die by the gun.." the way Mbeki was recalled before his terms ends in office may apply to you later. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ponko.Fontoyo
“When we look at leadership, we don’t look at how people dress, or how they look or how they sing and dance,” provincial chair Lebogang Maile told reporters in Johannesburg. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
NICEBOOBS
Guys we are doomed with this anc leadership Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
asaowe
Gudmorng Niceboobs, hope u slept well. Report Abuse
@ NICEBOOBS
Guys we are doomed with this anc leadership
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just relax & do something positive. remember it starts with you.
Don't have unncessary headache. Third term is a possibility. 2024 is too far for you to worry. just do something productive for you and your family. from 2024 - 2039 will be Malema turn.... do not worry
Matthew 6:25 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?
Zuma is taking the ANC down with him. The ANC is gone, but we can still save the country by not voting the ANC in 2014.People who nominated and are going to vote in mangaung are mayors,councilours,people working for state institutions e.t.c, so they are afraid to lose their jobs.they are not ordinary ANC members.Really how can you nominate someone with 787 criminal charges?come 2014 i'm voting for an altenative. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Stumtum
@Idiothater2 please note at my branch there are many ordinary members who are going to Mangs next month its nt about civil servants only. What you need to do is to just vote your party of choice do not use collective.
@Bra A - hope you are kidding when you say Malema will take over in the next few years, by then he will be finished look at how fat he is..........lol Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
@Bra_A
You are worrying me!
The tongue can bring death or life; those who love to talk will reap the consequences.(Proverbs 18:21)
Ke nto e a e tsebago. Go ntšha motono Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Bra_A
@Stumtum
@Bra A - hope you are kidding when you say Malema will take over in the next few years, by then he will be finished look at how fat he is..........lol
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jail term will make him fit not fat. After jail he will be a hero to many who will vote him to power......... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
golly459
What did we do to deserve this disgrace as President,if he wins he must count my vote to a new party not this stress. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
TupacAmaru!
I don't like Zuma but what can I do?
Kgalema is a bum...to this day he's scared to accept the nomination to take on Zuma in Mangaung. Such a coward cannot be a good leader. To think that this man Kgalema will bring heaven on earth, I must be out of my mind. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
moletsimatlala
Does not matter they can release another one next week but it will not buy him votes, after all e tla rekwa kwaMashu fela? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." and that is voting for the ANC, especially under showerhead, so just vote for something else AZAPO, Christian what not, anything but the ANC, this might be the most sane thing to do at this juncture. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Charley4sure
Let the thugs and tribalist retain the incumbent in Mangaung so that we can vote
against the ANC on the general elections. As much as we are supporters of ANC,
some of us we won’t vote for a moral bankrupt leader, out of my dead body.
I hear Zuma is kept in power to keep Julius out of it, whereas they were wiping each others @sses to get their respective power not so long ago. I thought he was supposed to make sure some ppl got toilets here and there, some schools, hospitals, jobs and sh1t, eish mara this compoundie wari fetsa jong. Report Abuse
in other countries leaders debate to be in parliament, but here in mzansi all you need to do is just sing. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
guiliano
They want mandela to endorse corruption? they are crazy, mandela has a reason to be quiet about this current anc. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Pointman
We got Zuma camp or we got pro Malema camp. Either way got sh!t.
No who paid for the 12 cows that got wh@cked for nothing. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
MophemeKoPitori
I ain't voting for jz, maybe if it's one idiot from the anc i'll vote. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Voetzek
Indeed this mampara will get 2nd term, problem with malema is that he previously said he will take arms and kill for zuma but now he sings a different tune,we are not yoyo Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
All the best Msholozi, the Zulu nation is fully behind you. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Lepile
Thabo, please bring the pipe lets smoke. this contry is on fire. This contry is on fire. by Alicia keys
Lithuli house, Lithuli house, Lithuli house is on fire.
We dont need no water let the motherf***er buuurn.
Buuurn motherf***er.
Buuurn. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Gusheshe3.25is
South Africa is going to the dogs because of the zulu nation s stupid and tribalist mentality of wanting to retain a scumbag of a president who only specialise in dancing. For gudnessake why dont they select Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma as the preferred presidential candidate she is also zulu mos rather impose the people this foerever dancing thing of theirs. Nxa. luckily i never voted for him and i will never vote for anc even if this man doesnt retain his position Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Kgalema is a coward, but my feeling is he is not the only one in those Luthuli house corridors with his\her tail in their butts everytime JG's name is mentioned. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
MommaC
Only in SA could you get a one man cabaret show as a president! Liza Minnelli eat your heart out Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
THere only two options that would make the Zuma not become SA president. Firstly we know is a given that he has a second term. Good, let him deal with his ANC foes internally and maybe , only just will the ANC refocus not defocus as Mbaks used to say. Secondly, all the forces of change can make their point be felt by not voting ANC in 2014, maybe vote for madam Zille who will arrest him and put Nkandla for Auction, or the nearest party that has a probable chance is COPE. Its your call ABZ camp. Deny him the most paramount and profound job he vehemently so desire. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Balobedu
I'm realy suprised of songs instead of service delivery. Zuma must not dance, he must deliver the service. anc led government is nothing than shame. away with anc away. Amandla DA. Let's vote anc out by voting for DA. DA is the only party can can deliver service Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
Zuma's interests are not for the country Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
cocolucho
Well if singing and dancing are the only qualifications that one needs to become president, then I should be president of the world.
@ Gusheshe3.25is as long as Nkosazana is a she moes, they do not believe in woman leadership. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is
South Africa is going to the dogs because of the zulu nation s stupid and tribalist mentality of wanting to retain a scumbag of a president who only specialise in dancing. For gudnessake why dont they select Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma as the preferred presidential candidate she is also zulu mos rather impose the people this foerever dancing thing of theirs. Nxa. luckily i never voted for him and i will never vote for anc even if this man doesnt retain his position
............................................................................................
It has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
Balobedu
I'm realy suprised of songs instead of service delivery. Zuma must not dance, he must deliver the service. anc led government is nothing than shame. away with anc away. Amandla DA. Let's vote anc out by voting for DA. DA is the only party can can deliver service
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I beg to differ with you Balobedu, DA is a viable party that can unseat the ANC only if some of us the ANC supporters and members can decide to vote DA. But with service delivery i am not sure. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Lepile
@!#Sinudeity#!
Lethuli house is a donation from shell. comrades call it shell house.
zuma is like a man smoking at the gas station, he is about to blow up. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
cocolucho
Well if singing and dancing are the only qualifications that one needs to become president, then I should be president of the world
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@coco, you mean u sika lekhekhe dear, wa roba letheka wena.. eish you could be my pres neh? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
NICEBOOBS
We are tired of JZ finish & klaar - he's a disgrace Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
NICEBOOBS
We are tired of JZ finish & klaar - he's a disgrace
________________________________
@Nice, lets say we are tired of the ANC that seeks to hide behind apartheid legacy this aparthein that. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Thinawise
This is the biggest mistake that the country has made by voting ANC with JZ as a president,but as we all know that mistakes can be corrected,let the delegates vote jz for the second term then the nation can decide to vote for ANC or another party.
Zuma u have failed the nation big-time but I don't blame u,u dont even know about economy,values,leadership and etc.
Msholozi hehehehehehehehehehe you're the star. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Rragwe
anc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be president
dus idiot dusnt get enuf airtym for his songs now his trying the political route useless bimbo try knocking on Dj Tiras door and stop being a sucker for zumaville u wnt perform at the nkandla house warming Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
swona
if Zuma wins in Mangaung, the ANC will be embarassed during elections, I am not giving my vote to zuma again! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Rragwe
let's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014 Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
It has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi.
____________________________________________________________________________________
If I were Zulu I would take offense to this statement, phela this suggests that I'm incapable of thought, that all the stereotypes are indeed true, that we are not only tribalists but stupid indeed, It would mean I put pride above common sense. you are either indoctrinated or self medicating chief. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Rragwe
anc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be president
....................................
You sound angry like those people who started COPE. Maybe you should join COPE. Look, Zuma will lead for the next 6 years. You people from Zimpopo cross the border to Zim if you can't stand the heat here.... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
GODESS
Mosquer
Ke nto e a e tsebago. Go ntšha motono
*****************************************************************
Bwakakakaka * death by motono wa zuma* Report Abuse
It has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi.
____________________________________________________________________________________
If I were Zulu I would take offense to this statement, phela this suggests that I'm incapable of thought, that all the stereotypes are indeed true, that we are not only tribalists but stupid indeed, It would mean I put pride above common sense. you are either indoctrinated or self medicating chief.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
Zuma all the way....
It is becoming a nightmare for the likes of Gusheshe, NiceBoobs, et.al. Just live with it boys and girls. ANC's greatest son is coming back after Mangaung. Ins'ulting and disrespecting him makes us sympathise, love him even more, and be ready to defend him at all cost.
The more insults he gets, the more sympathy and supports comes his way. Not only from KZN ANC, but throughout the country.
Malema did a sterling job by insulting JZ at every opportunity, hence he singly-handedly co'erced even some of the d'ie-hard Zuma detractors and old comrades back to his corner. Hopefully Limpopo ANCYL, Lamola and Malema have learnt their lessons that politics of ins'ults, bul'lying and disrespect do not work in the mighty 100 year old movement. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
T.C.T
ZUMA must just go to jika majika and become a president after loosing in mangaung
those who ask why MOTLANTHE is noy diclosing were he stand are crazy DID zooma disclosed if he will take the 2nd term? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Rragwe
let's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014
..........................................................
Well, people will vote for ANC as a collective, not for Zuma. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
@Hail
They perceive women as sex object and housewifes for them not to recognise Nkosazana as the best person for the presidency rather than his former husband. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Rragwe
anc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be president
....................................
You sound angry like those people who started COPE. Maybe you should join COPE. Look, Zuma will lead for the next 6 years. You people from Zimpopo cross the border to Zim if you can't stand the heat here....
_________________________________________________________________
You sound Zulu to me or are you a member of parliament? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
MommaC
Gusheshe3.25is
What is with the tribal hatred? Did some zulu dude steal your girlfriend or something? Grow up. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
Mgwijikhwebu
Zuma all the way....
It is becoming a nightmare for the likes of Gusheshe, NiceBoobs, et.al. Just live with it boys and girls. ANC's greatest son is coming back after Mangaung. Ins'ulting and disrespecting him makes us sympathise, love him even more, and be ready to defend him at all cost.
The more insults he gets, the more sympathy and supports comes his way. Not only from KZN ANC, but throughout the country.
Malema did a sterling job by insulting JZ at every opportunity, hence he singly-handedly co'erced even some of the d'ie-hard Zuma detractors and old comrades back to his corner. Hopefully Limpopo ANCYL, Lamola and Malema have learnt their lessons that politics of ins'ults, bul'lying and disrespect do not work in the mighty 100 year old movement.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@Mgwijikhwebu cdr, am sorry to differ with you, JZ is the worse ANC pres ever set on that ANC chair. He failed decimaly to just do the obvious when he had all the resource at his desposal. He should have been the best ANC of all time if he had implemented what was infront of him. Alas he employed hibilis and yellow communist who hide behind his double head and cast aspersion to all and saundry who dares to question him. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Druza25
Lets all get on this gravy train while its still hot property. I'm thinking of being a stand up comedian, al lI have to do is rock up with Jacob cause he is the joke. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nupe, i more stronger than JZ when coming to women. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Zabaragast
When Zuma and his buddies don't pay the "artists", like they did the last bunch before PLK, we don't wanna read about it. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
Rragwe
let's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014
======================================
UDAKIWE LOL! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nupe, i more stronger than JZ when coming to women.
________________________________________________________________
he is more focused on his wifes he forgot why he was put in that chair....... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
T.C.T
Mkabayi-kaJama
Motlanthe is Motswana my crazy dear!!!! get proper info before you embaras urslf further! why are you supporting ZUMA?pls provide valid reasons and describe him in one word Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Charley4sure
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
_____________________
You just proved your stupidity and ignorance, kgalema is not from Limpopo
nor is he even Pedi. We know that the people of your tribe have always
voted for one of their own regardless of merits and leadership qualities.
That is the reason why they reject Mandela in 1994 while rest of the country
and the world honoured him. Just take you pride and hang yourself, pride doesn’t
mean you must support corruption, greediness, selfishness, self enrichment:
that is just plain stupidity.
whoever win in mangaung, it does not make a different, even if mothlanthe wins, they will also remove him the same way they want to remove zuma, in politics people use each other, politics is a dirty game. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@Rats, phela nna ga ke berekisi vusankonzi(viagra) Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
spirro
whoever win in mangaung, it does not make a different, even if mothlanthe wins, they will also remove him the same way they want to remove zuma, in politics people use each other, politics is a dirty game.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Motlanthe is Motswana my crazy dear!!!! get proper info before you embaras urslf further! why are you supporting ZUMA?pls provide valid reasons and describe him in one word
..........................................................
Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this.... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Charley4sure
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
_____________________
You just proved your stupidity and ignorance, kgalema is not from Limpopo
nor is he even Pedi. We know that the people of your tribe have always
voted for one of their own regardless of merits and leadership qualities.
That is the reason why they reject Mandela in 1994 while rest of the country
and the world honoured him. Just take you pride and hang yourself, pride doesn’t
mean you must support corruption, greediness, selfishness, self enrichment:
that is just plain stupidity.
..................................................................
Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this....
@LeparaThePresident
@Rats, phela nna ga ke berekisi vusankonzi(viagra)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
O berekisha eng ...........Cialis? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
Those 100% people and not only pedi, tsonga, venda and other tribes including whites will vote for Motlanthe because of his moral capacity as a person and because they see him as the best man to be president better than Zuma and believe me people are not fed up with Zuma because he is a zulu bt that the man never delivered anything and the country is in shambles since he took over the presidency Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
all he is has to do is sing and dance and its okay by the majority to concl he is the best leader to push their issues forward? is there any wonder the rate of car guards black males who are hardly affording to sustain themselves and their families are growing? is there any wonder many black ppl still wait (in vain) for a promised better life for all?
So sad that our struggle against apartheid has come to just a song and dance.
I call on black SAns voting for this song dance to please take stock of their lives, personally communally and otherwise to see if there is any improvement ito economic and social empowerment, growth of black middle class, when majority can say yes to these then we know we are on the right track when we living standards of the voters have been improved, all those voting for this song and dance must please try to see beyond superficialism such as singing and dancing, since when does this help create jobs? better life, reasonable living standards? or we are satisfied with a president who can only sing and dance and use public resources for himself and his family and pals? is this what our struggle has come to? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ratshufi
@KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
________________________________________________________________
And half of the time Obama makes his spechees without reading Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
TLOU-LETEBELE
Seriously not only zuma have dissapoint nor have failed us but the anc, people we are tired and gaaatvol with all this nonsense promise we will deliver and then wot Zille i still think u can do better than these bunch of idiots.T Mbheki is still my President
Whatch the space Anc, DA is cuming to jozi and when they do they gonna fucken rule the country because u guys are fucken greedy u only enriching ur all self and dont even think of the poor people that have put u all in power. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
ANC branches and delegates should be allowed to pronounce on the issue of leadership without interference from some of these myopic and visionless artists who seem to only care about vested interests. It is also important for Gwede Mantashe to show leadership by warning and condemning these musical groups from interfering in internal matters of the ANC. As ANC members we have to condemn all these foreign tendencies which are highly divisive and are not subject to ANC discipline. One would ask whether these songs can pass the requirements of the ANC's Through The Eye of the Needle Document. If anything, the purpose of this project is to stampede ANC members into supporting Jacob Zuma whether he is qualified to lead the ANC or not.
It is important for the "forces of change" not to be demoralised or give up because the outcome of Mangaung is going to be very close. While the ANC in KZN is behind Jacob Zuma, there is plenty of support for change in provinces such as Limpopo, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape, North-West and Gauteng. The leadership of the ANC is not only determined by an arrogant KZN ANC but by all members of the ANC. And again the leadership of the ANC is not determined by Zuma's nephews and nieces, some of who are going to Mangaung as delegates. Cde Kgalema Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC and a man of integrity. When he saw his own supporters wearing t-shirts saying "Kgalema for President" he scolded them but that is not what we hear from Jacob Zuma when his own supporters are misbehaving. Instead Jacob Zuma encourages a belligenrent and ill-disciplined MKMVA to defend the ANC, and we know what that means. Motlanthe has support in Mpumalanga and Freistata, in the face intimidation and dirty tricks. The ANC has to be saved from embrassment. Jacob Zuma has only been president of the country for three years and R250m of taxpayers' money has already been spent on his Nkandla homestead. If this trend continues by the end of his second term (if he is re-elected) close to a R1bn would have been spent on his private residence. This amount exludes the other expenditure around Nkandla. The expenditure on Zuma's private residence is obviously illegal and also sets a wrong precedent for future presidents. It is time for the Public Protector to have a serious investigation into how Zuma's private residence was declared a National Key Point without the knowledge of the former Minister of Defence Lindiwe Sisulu, who is the only person authorised by law to declare National Key Points. The Public Protector should also investigate how R250m is spent on a private residence when the Handbook clearly says no more than R100 000. Some of us do care about these things. It cannot be that when many of our people are living in grinding and abject poverty, we have so much of taxpayers' money being wasted on the president's private residence. Just over weekend I visited a public hospital, built during the apartheid era. It looked like the hospital has never been painted since 1994. The beds and equipment very old, with hospital workers looking after patients under very difficult circumstances. And yet on the other hand R250m is being spent on Zuma's private residence. And a song and dance are supposed to make us forget all these. There is no way we as politically discerning ANC members can be fooled by a song and dance. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
isende lami.
By that I greet you all. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
ThirdEye
This man is here to stay. Zweli Mkhize said something during the weekend, he said let me summarise for the media, Zuma is coming back. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
...........................................................................
Well, you said nothing there. It is only insults. Try me again... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJama
Charley4sure
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this.... "
Why would any right thinking person support a mediocre leader just cause he is the same tribe/colour as him? its foolishness behind supporting a destructive (for our country) person such as Zuma, the gov is falling to pieces since the singing dancing queen came to presidency, how can this be admired or how can anyone be inspired by the fact that there has been little to NON change in the lives of the majority black SAns as promised by the anc? If you don't believe me look at the rate the car guards are growing, how are these males supposed to be able to support and sustain their families and provide their children with better opportunities or is this a tax payer's burden to provide roof/medicals/clothing/education for these children born from this environment? I was so heart broken whilst on holiday seeing the whole family begging on the side of the side of the road, that is husband wife carrying an infant, this child is doomed to have a lifestyle like his/her parents, have our standards as a nation really gotten this low?
Black ppl need to guard against supporting leaders on the basis of tribe and colour, oppression knows not boundries, its oppression of some sort when African gov don't create environments that helps to develop African children, like us our children will be economic underdogs, is thsi really why so many died for this so called freedom? freedom to move from previous homeland and build a shack in Joeburg or continue to be an economic migrant? just what hte hell is wrong with this mindset of black ppl? why can't we strive for best leaders who do not reduce us into charity cases? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@progressive African Democrat, you should have read the sunday independent, there was this artcle by a woman called N Gasa, she mentioned all this forms of un-ANC tendecies including these songs, the words the ANC cadre used like counter-revolutionary, shoot to k1ll. She said the worsed thing the ANC of today missed is the CONTEXT to the songs, to the words they used.She even gave a simple eg, of saying : can you go to a funeral and make an alulation like llililili" She said it is the kleadership of the ANC that encourage this king of behavoiur. I think you should find the paper and read it. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
ThirdEye
This man is here to stay. Zweli Mkhize said something during the weekend, he said let me summarise for the media, Zuma is coming back
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@ThirdEye, whether JZ is coming or going is in material, the core intrinsic value that is needed after mangaung is whether the ANC has re-new itself or is going to implode. we don't care about individual people, the organizationa renewal is of paramount key. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.
@somaartakeit
You are a voice of reason. We have to clone you, I insist. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
babyfats
zuma pls jst step down now aaaaaaayyyyyyyy.......... we had enough nw hlala phansi plzzzzzzzzzzz tuuuu haiiii Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,
Zuma has not even finished his term, he has been in power for about three and half years. How can you then judge him so soon? Is that fair? Have you forgotten that there are significant achievements he has made over the very same short period?
You seem to suffer from seelective amnesia, and yet you expected to be taken serious.
Zuma detractors and ha'ters conveniently forget that counterforces such as the ANCYL (especially under Malema) became permanent distracting figures and irr'itants to the ANC leadership and the ANC-led government.
They effectively wanted to dictate the agenda, and call the shorts on the course the country had to take while they thought of themselves as the untouchables.
Who can forget about their constant bic'kering over Libya, SA's "declining" influence on the continent and global stage? Their constant tau'nting, swipes and th'reats to Mantashe (whom they used to refer to as the outgoing SG)? Their politics of bul'lying when they co'erced the ANC to start the debate on nationalisation.
In addition to the ANCYL's er'ratic behaviour, Msholozi had to deal with serious divisions and factionalism within the ANC, and manage the after-effects of the formation of COPE. The world economic melt down further compounded Zuma's list of problems as it posed a direct threat to our own economy. Service delivery protests spiralled out of control immediately after JZ assumed reign.
In short, Zuma had all the work cut out for him, and only a super human could effectively manage to succesfully keep everything tightly under control. Zuma did to the best of his ability against all odds.
Thabo Mbeki and Mandela never faced any serious form of internal ANC re'volt that made it almost impossible to effectively lead the organisation. Hence his detractors cite his lack of decisive leadership forgetting the prevailing and testing conditions he led the movement under.
@Illuminated10111 and when the anc starts changing constitution such to control press freedom, control justice system, as they are already controlling the SABC SAns who fought for this freedom (if I can call it that) should really start evaluating their options, such if it comes to that, which country will I emigrate to? which country will I go to so seek asylum? Do I have enough/right skills to sustain myself in a new country? ask Zimbabweans and all other refugees that are currently residing in SA if you don't believe me, the anc regime has already started using police fire power against the citizens, have you guys not seen the bigger picture yet? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Laqasha my friend, you know when you have traveled the world and have ability to compare notes you are bound to see that what we get from the anc regime which is the most expensive regime in the world when you have to take into account stolen monies, and private security for president and his family, you will know that the anc is selling us a cat in the sack, we deserve better and we must never lose a moment but continue to strive till our country is lead in the best possible way, for our dignity and that of our children.
These missing gov monies your children are going to have to fork out for it. is that fair to burden them with a debt which was not used to equip them with skills which will help them sustain themselves economically and otherwise?
We as black SAns owe it to ourselves and our children to speak ONLY the truth to power cause that's the ONLY thing that will really set us free. we can't support leaders on anything else either than MERIT cause that is the ONLY way we will sustain this country. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK HERE WENA, UMSHOWERLOZI LO WAKHO HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH US AND IS NOT DOING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OF A PRESIDENT, THEREFORE WE ARE ON HIS CASE, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING US TO LEAVE HIM ALONE, IF WE WERE NOT FORKING OUT FOR HIS LUXURY AND THE HONOUR OF HAVING TO BE A PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO/SAY TO THIS MAJAYVANA OF A SO CALLED PRESIDENT. TILL HE DOES RIGHT BY US, ONLY THEN WE WILL GIVE HIM A BREAK BUT AS THINGS STANDS HE HAS NO ABILITY, SO THE BEST POSSIBILITY IS FOR HIM TO STAND DOWN, END OF THE STORY. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
----------------------------------------
LOVL boy you are on the roll today:-) *winksing* Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
BlackSeed
Some of these articles will continue to embrace Zuma, even in mockery. What Media fail to understand is that their condemnation of Zuma will continue to elevate him to high office.
This emotional reporting is similar to a married spouse who cheats because the other spouse did, foolish ek se.
@somaartakeit
You have already said what I wanted to say. I can't for the life of me, understand the logic for the call for this guy's return.He is a disaster par excellence. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
@somaartakeit...Go get yourself some sex, you sex starved woman. You always come here with your stress smelly comments. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@BlackSeed the media is doing its job okay? that is, update us on the latest of scandals the president is involved with, dancing and singing whilst the country is burning the media has a duty to the citizens to inform us of such occurance so we can be informed, you can not now blame the media if the president fails to be proper and the media reports on said impropriety, for now we still have press freedom in this country, this is what many fallen struggle heroes died for, so please let us......../ Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@somaartakeit
We are big in tribalism, we favour one of our own at all costs.
@Mgwijikhwebu, cdr you missed my point, my was, JZ had all the resources that would necessitate him to perform his duty without any hindress. The revolt is a non starter and ANCYL is just a bunch ingrades youthfull baffoons who cannot even understand the word " Executive is in the meeting we will see we attend your needs in due course". THe propblem with all JZ camp site is that, everyone who seeks to differ with JZ 's operational procedures both in goverment or ANC level is painted Malema/forces of change. I see no need to equate any difference to ABZ. I speak on behalf of myself and some of senss seeking citizens of SA and ANC memebers who do not condone Malema?ABZ faction. Zuma failed course he tried to pleases all people at the same time. Finish en klaar. Now is the stupid thing called Nkandlagate. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
@somaartakeit...Go get yourself some sex, you sex starved woman. You always come here with your stress smelly comments.
------------------------------------
so typically anc cadre mentality everything has to come to lewd sex, do you also rinse aids off in the shower like your president? btw this is a public forum, not anc forum so please try to keep your language clean, ie with vulgarity and sexual innuendos I know that sex is the anc pet subject/activity if one has to judge by antics of your president, so please spear rest of us the filth. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
The lady is raising relevant points and you respond with insults. mmhh, what poor education can do to a person! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Laqasha
@somaartakeit
We are big in tribalism, we favour one of our own at all costs.
-------------------------------------------------
So then look where we are as a race compared to other races in the world. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
moisa
SONG OR NO SONG, PRAISE OR INSULT. WE WILL SPEAK WITH OUR VOTES IN MANGAUNG AND HONOURABLE KGALEMA MOTLANTHE SHALL BECOME THE PEOPLE'S PRESIDENT. HE IS THE ONLY MAN WHO KNOWS THE CONSTITUTION OF ANC HENCE HE IS QUIET SO THE PEOPLE CAN DO THE TALKING. AFTER ALL, LEADERS DOES NOT ELECT THEMSELVES. WE ELECT THEM Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mashashane
YHAA Zuma obusy left rite nd corner mara a ka se lo;e xem. Kgalema for president Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
@Mkabayi kaJama,
I have on numerous occasions explained why people of KZN will always support JZ. But as always it fell on deaf ears.
The very same 'angels' who are busy ins'ulting Zulus and calling them stu'pid and ignorant are actually more stu'pid, ignorant and tri'balist than Zulus could ever be. Zulus are just proud people and they will never be apologetic about it. It is their democratic right.
KZN people in general sympathise with JZ simply b'cos he is one of their own. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Zuma being one of their means ANC KZN will protect at all cost against sc'avengers within the ANC leadership and SA media. We are also here to protect him against the bulk load of ha'ting ly'nch mob on sites such as this one.
People of Limpopo bussed an'gry youths all the way to Luthuli house to support Malema despite his err'atic behaviors and all the controversies around him. They caused ch'aos and may'hem and emb'arrased the ANC in the manner never seen before. But who can blame them 'cos they had come to defend one of their own? Would you then call this Limpopo youth tr'ibalists for their loyalty and defending their own son? I doubt.
Save yourself, do not bother justifying why Zulus are supportive of Zuma. Zulus should never be apologetic about it. Zuma may have wea'knesses and may have done some damage to the ANC, but that should not give permission to his ha'ters and detractors to cru'cify him in the manner they have. Really, why so much hat'red and bit'terness? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
The lady is raising relevant points and you respond with insults. mmhh, what poor education can do to a person!
..........................................................................
ha ha ha....Well, I doing my phd, but still it does not change the fact that she is sexual frastrated and you are trying to fcuk her. Since yesterday, you have been backing her silly stress smelly comments. Ask her out sishimane. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Msiphos00
Illuminated10111
zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.
==================================================
They all started like that making promises and look now we can put you there but when you start messing up tell us what to do actually we should draw up a contract first. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Mgwijikhwebu
@Mkabayi kaJama,
I have on numerous occasions explained why people of KZN will always support JZ. But as always it fell on deaf ears.
The very same 'angels' who are busy ins'ulting Zulus and calling them stu'pid and ignorant are actually more stu'pid, ignorant and tri'balist than Zulus could ever be. Zulus are just proud people and they will never be apologetic about it. It is their democratic right.
KZN people in general sympathise with JZ simply b'cos he is one of their own. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Zuma being one of their means ANC KZN will protect at all cost against sc'avengers within the ANC leadership and SA media. We are also here to protect him against the bulk load of ha'ting ly'nch mob on sites such as this one.
People of Limpopo bussed an'gry youths all the way to Luthuli house to support Malema despite his err'atic behaviors and all the controversies around him. They caused ch'aos and may'hem and emb'arrased the ANC in the manner never seen before. But who can blame them 'cos they had come to defend one of their own? Would you then call this Limpopo youth tr'ibalists for their loyalty and defending their own son? I doubt.
Save yourself, do not bother justifying why Zulus are supportive of Zuma. Zulus should never be apologetic about it. Zuma may have wea'knesses and may have done some damage to the ANC, but that should not give permission to his ha'ters and detractors to cru'cify him in the manner they have. Really, why so much hat'red and bit'terness?
...........................................................
My point exactly. I wish they read your comment... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Moisa LOVL Zuma followers have started buying votes, with anc its NEVER about the merit its always about who can be bribed and corrupted, if I were you anc followers I would be starting to looking for proper leaders who have ability to take your issues forward not the sad joke you currently have as leaders, cause with this guys SA is gonna come to a grinding halt in everything, they have no clue nor plan and no vision, if they had they'd have implemented it by now. Unfortunately for the majority time is on their side, as we see many that are jobless/hopeless/car guarding I mean how can one sustain a family with income of a car guard? Others carry boys, that means carrying shoppers parcels for a meager change, is this really what it means to be free for the majority who continue to vote for this? this is the highest standards majority set for themselves? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@Lepara ThePresident
I read Nomboniso 's articles in the Sunday Independent (this Sunday and the previous Sunday) but you know ofcourse that Nomboniso is a well-seasoned and disciplined cadre who can think clearly, coherently and logically compared to some members of the ANC Women's League. Dear Comrade! Has the ANC Women's League been bewitched that they cannot think logically and coherently? What a sad public spectacle! The ANC Women's League is really an embarassment. Some of them seem to think that they will get lucky with Zuma. "Mosholozi, send your bodyguards to come and fetch me!". That seem to be the ANC Women's League's anthem. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Why insult when u disagree? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@PAD the anc's women wing is not bewitched its a show case of electing leaders without merit, cause many who have lead the women wing have been given those position because their husbands held powerful position within the anc, its the same thing in hte gov, most female ministers are not in those portfolio on merit there are there on VitB and that is the major destruction in the whole of Africa, ie patriarchy politics, question is how long will Africans realise that this system doesn't work and do away with it and give our continent a chance to achieve something behind its name besides poverty, genocide, refugees, conflicts etc? How should other nations respect us or even take us serious? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes..... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Why insult when u disagree?
---------------------------
the anc cadres aren't known to have ability to debate with due deligence we often read about how hte police were called in ALL their meetings or whatever they call it, cause there was a brawl/fight I read few weeks ago that Malema was injured in a fight during a meeting, we should be grateful that this discussion is taking place on line, cause these anc cadres would now be throwing about chairs to deter opponents from discussing facts/issues which are a affecting us. I guess its that little issue of lack of knowleadge due to little and or no education. In isiXhosa we say ulwazi oluncinane luyingozi. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Thinawise
The good thing about all of this is that there will be a new party that willl be formed after zuma being voted for the 2nd term,interesting enough is that the ANC is being divided little by little and DA are watching the space,.
It was cope now there is another party coming soon.atleast during 2014 DA will stand a chance of taking over if this party will be formed...
As a zulu,im being disgusted with this guy who continues to disappoint our country in every way. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
If you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
Mgwijikhwebu
The Nationalist party of the last century used to say that the tribes would not be able to get on together. Sadly looks like they may have been right. ....or not? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
moisa
@somaartakeit
Enof said my brother. but its about time people use their brains when voting for leaders. there is nothing inspiring about JZ. He is full of scandals, ever since his turn in tyhe office. i was inspired by American elections, where ppl vote leaders based on merits and since then i vowed that am gonna use my vote wisely. nomatter how small my vote is, am gonna use in a way that i will be able to xplain when my grand children ask me. how will i jusify voting for a man who allow R250mill house to be build on he home while peopl he leads or mislead suffer so much. a man who sleep with HIV+ woman without a condom in a society overwelmd by dis disease. a man who impregnant his friend's daughter while he has four wives. i appeal to all SA to use their votes carefully and responsibly and not to vote with their egos or emmosions. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
If you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
------------------------------------------
@Laqasha Mkabayi is right he has PHD and is practicing it, PHD (PULL HIM/HER DOWN) syndrome, right now he is busy trying to pull down this discussion into a war of words, also look at him and see how zuma inspires his followers, he likes them with mshini wam so they can overpower opponents with physical strength not mental strength. Report Abuse
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process.
........................................
Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
The problem with our leaders is that they are confusing Power with Leadership, they want to get rich fast they want to control everything and evry1, thus taking them away from the main goal(bringing about change in the country , stabilizing the economy, equal opportunities for all, bridging the gaps of racial segregation and tribalism and the list is endless), I don’t see the reason why-especially to those that felt the wrath of Apartheid- they are still oppressing people making promises they can’t keep and worst of all fighting amongst themselves, it shows how weak they are! It only shows that the reason why they were fighting for freedom was only to enrich themselves (more money more power)!
POWER is frequently defined as the ability to influence the behavior of others with or without resistance. The term authority is often used for power perceived as legitimate by the social structure. Power can be seen as evil or unjust..
and yes the Power is the quality possessed by our Politicians and sumone out there NEEDS to teach them leadership skills, and then maybe just maybe we can see change in our country! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Thinawise as long as said new party is able to be FOCUSED on the issues not on squabbles with the anc, the anc must be left to sort itself out, Cope made a biggest mistake of making their agenda about the anc, they forgot about their mandate, they forgot to educate their followers and potentials about how their policies will help stir SA on the right path, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
If you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
------------------------------------------
@Laqasha Mkabayi is right he has PHD and is practicing it, PHD (PULL HIM/HER DOWN) syndrome, right now he is busy trying to pull down this discussion into a war of words, also look at him and see how zuma inspires his followers, he likes them with mshini wam so they can overpower opponents with physical strength not mental strength.
............................................
Atleast I get some action at night. Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved.
"Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved" is this what you obtained your phd in? boy or whatever you are you are stupid its painful just to watch and read your messages, how should ppl respect you? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while. Report Abuse
"Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved" is this what you obtained your phd in? boy or whatever you are you are stupid its painful just to watch and read your messages, how should ppl respect you?
......................................
Look between your legs, you will see a starved stupid. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Oh, I see. So, you just want to be bonked at night and then come here and insult people when you disagree with them and your life is complete? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Atleast I get some action at night. Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved"
A d!ck is really wasted on a fool like you, its like a giving a gun a gun to a retard, can you imagine the damage in teh case of penis dangling fools like you our country has been reduced into a rape capital of hte world, you must be the sex beast they are warning us against. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments. Report Abuse
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process.
__________________________________________________________________________________
Somaar, MKJ is clearly a fool, do not engage her further, she is the quality of supporter Zuma attracts and honestly needs to stay in power, my opinion is that we have too many of such ppl, and if Angie gets her way there will be a lot more in the future.
Zuma should just join 999 records as a dancer...........period.
His lack of political understanding is busy failing everyone in South Africa. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Is-it-just-me???
comrade Mkabayi your views are foreign to the ANC.
I think you will be more comfortable in Inkatha . Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while.
__________________________________________________________________________________
Ma-Khumalo is that you or is MaNtuli or maybe the other Nkandla-boy bunnies hah ? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
----------------------------------
When you run out of something to add in a debate you resort to lies, but I am not going to defend my position to you cause anyone with ability to read is aware what my stance is iro of the ppl you said I defended you might have missed those comments due to your inability to READ with COMPREHENSION, you have a severe case of OBE thank your anti Angie Motshekga and your uncle Blade when you see them, cause they've managed to condemn you and your brethren into a life of being illiterates who will only be given jobs out of favour and/or as a quota appointment on your own you are nothing, you prolly now work for the gov as a fool, as there are many of your ilk whose foolishness derails service delivery. When you throw stones you must know how to handle the response I don't suffer fools like you instead I will put you in your place, ie flush you down the toilet verbally. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I beg to differ in this case. The comrades you've mentioned above never brought South Africa to its knees like msholozi is. This is not the issue of tribe or something out of this world - Zuma is an illitrate who cannot lead from the front and yet he regards himself as a leader of note. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Since it is clear that Gwede Mantashe is quiet about these songs which promote factionalism in the ANC, ANC branches should officially come out and condemn these songs. While it is clear that KZN is going to back Jacob Zuma, provinces such as Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West are going to back Kgalema Motlanthe. Once Kgalema Motlanthe accepts nomination and informs the Electoral Commission about it, it is time to lobby all the delegates in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape and North-West to be 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe and defeat the project of tribalism from KZN. It is really time to isolate KZN because of its arrogance and tribal chauvinism. Let's do to them what we did at the Policy Conference. Any KZN delegate who approaches the other delegates should be asked whether he or she is aware of Nkandla, whether they are Zuma's nephew or niece, or whether they have any ties to Nkandla in anyway. It is time to isolate KZN with its tribalism and contniue to build a non-racial and non-tribalist organisation. We cannot afford to turn the entire ANC into an Inkatha outfit. Let's lobby all delegates to do the right thing and get 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe. Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC, and will be able to unite the ANC and take the country forward after Mangaung. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while.
-------------------------------------
Mkabayi you should not confuse being a female with being a woman, when you get education you will be able to spot the difference, in the meantime, go do your job as a concubine to the anc tenderpreneurs don't forget to check your hiv status skiski ndini. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@KeRataBasadi
Pray, tell, how did u reach such a conclusion? Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
silverbullet
there we go again, another idiot claiming to be educated, when its evidently clear that she is lying, if Mkabayi ka Jama was honestly doing a PHD then she would be able to put forward an intelligent argument in support of her stance, not this primitive hogwash about Zuma being from KZN< pride nonsense, how can a learbed person have pride in a failure, you should be ashamed. you are the bunch that actually give people the impression that Zulus are stupid, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Nwanawamukalaha zuma is not alone in bringing this country to its knees the entire anc has to take the blame for it since they tell us they are a 'collective'.
As for Winnie her being absent in her portfolio and parly is not helping this country I also blame anc presidents who made her a minister when she is too busy to be fulfill her duties in accordance with her ministerial contract. Again this problem of giving position of power to women not on merit only because their husband are influential and powerful within the anc is a problem, we need capable women leaders who will take the process forward, Winnie was good for the struggle but as a minister I yet to see results iro her performance.
And has black ppl who fought against apartheid we must not be afraid to speak truth to power cause not speaking up against power abuse is contributing to the destruction of our country. We demand accountability from our leaders nothing less. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ Laqasha
@KeRataBasadi
Pray, tell, how did u reach such a conclusion? Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion
_________________________________________________________________________________
Some ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!
@Somaartakeit Preach on galfrnd preach on and go easy on Mkabayi-whatever its username is you no match for it but then BLIND LOAYALTY tends to turn ppl into zombiezzzzzz Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@KeRataBasadi
That I want to do somaartakeit? he? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
LeparaThePresident
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Since it is clear that Gwede Mantashe is quiet about these songs which promote factionalism in the ANC, ANC branches should officially come out and condemn these songs. While it is clear that KZN is going to back Jacob Zuma, provinces such as Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West are going to back Kgalema Motlanthe. Once Kgalema Motlanthe accepts nomination and informs the Electoral Commission about it, it is time to lobby all the delegates in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape and North-West to be 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe and defeat the project of tribalism from KZN. It is really time to isolate KZN because of its arrogance and tribal chauvinism. Let's do to them what we did at the Policy Conference. Any KZN delegate who approaches the other delegates should be asked whether he or she is aware of Nkandla, whether they are Zuma's nephew or niece, or whether they have any ties to Nkandla in anyway. It is time to isolate KZN with its tribalism and contniue to build a non-racial and non-tribalist organisation. We cannot afford to turn the entire ANC into an Inkatha outfit. Let's lobby all delegates to do the right thing and get 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe. Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC, and will be able to unite the ANC and take the country forward after Mangaung
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
True unity is needed in ANC at all costs. I am of the opinion that even if Motlanthe can win, there won't be any unity, the faction lines will deepens to an extend that more k1llings in branches will emanates. And worse, Motlanthe might also bring back the lunatic idiotic motormouth Julius Malema. And with that, they ANCwill implode and KZN which you seek to isolate might end up being the province that projects itself as the true ANC. The thing with KZN is, tthey lobby for JZ, Gwede,Cyril,Zweli,Mbete.Duarte. I guess apart from Cyril and Duarte, they are all Zuluspeaking people the other candidates.Where is geographical representativity. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Mellow
Some ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!
============================================
Why cannt you just relocate and stop preaching since this country doesnt need people like you?
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK HERE WENA, UMSHOWERLOZI LO WAKHO HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH US AND IS NOT DOING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OF A PRESIDENT, THEREFORE WE ARE ON HIS CASE, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING US TO LEAVE HIM ALONE, IF WE WERE NOT FORKING OUT FOR HIS LUXURY AND THE HONOUR OF HAVING TO BE A PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO/SAY TO THIS MAJAYVANA OF A SO CALLED PRESIDENT. TILL HE DOES RIGHT BY US, ONLY THEN WE WILL GIVE HIM A BREAK BUT AS THINGS STANDS HE HAS NO ABILITY, SO THE BEST POSSIBILITY IS FOR HIM TO STAND DOWN, END OF THE STORY.
============================================================================
in your dreams DOTI Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
somaartakeit
@Nwanawamukalaha zuma is not alone in bringing this country to its knees the entire anc has to take the blame for it since they tell us they are a 'collective'.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Correct. But since well he's the one leading the pack, he's worth mentioning everytime. POC; I beg to differ regarding blaming the entire ANC. The fact that some ANC members in parly and Luthuli House are dissatisfied shows that Msholozi has brought foreign tendencies within the ruling party and ought to be ousted. If parly is granted a golden opportunity to discuss "the vote of no confidence", Zuma will be out. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
T.C.T
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
comrade keep on doing a good thing by teaching us more about real cadres YOUR commets are admirable and i do enjoy them. enough with some micky mouse branches from KZN they think they can zulufie this PARTY (ANC) i wonder why they dont do that to ifp? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
YA BAPHI O
ROBINR
GUSHEHE325!
MISSBHAKASUTRA
NABANYE
IZWE LAMAZULU LELI
IF LET ME SAY I MBUZI IYAWINA,,,,I SWEAR HE WILL NEVER GO TO KZN TO ADDRESS PEOPLE THERE
I hate to be the one to mention that you seem to be exactly what is wrong with this beautiful country.
However i am glad to inform you that your kind are the minority!! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mellow hallo doll:-) sometime k@k like Makabayi needs to be dealt with in the way it presents itself, this is the exact cavemanish intimidating the anc ppl incl its leaders always dish out to the opposition, mina I will not tolerate that, and will deal with this vermin accordingly I don't owe my existance/oxygen to them, this is as much my country as is theirs as such I have as much right to contribute on the issues affecting my country. But for the big part I am sorry to guys such as yourself that this discussion has come to this gutter language, but you will shall overcome babes:-) Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
Msiphos00
Illuminated10111
zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.
==================================================
They all started like that making promises and look now we can put you there but when you start messing up tell us what to do actually we should draw up a contract first.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
their only problem was that they were too thirsty for power and to be in charge that they ended up choking on it, they forgot the people! the same people who voted them in to power! and thanked those ppl with RDP's and grants etc small change things that cannot even sustain a breeze!
Some ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!
============================================
Don't you know that birds of the feather stick together? and those that benefit from the looting of our country will always defend their support and participation but thina we must continue to speak truth to power, cause one day our children wld be asking us, 'what roles we played when our country was attacked by this vermin' you know today utata uMandela can say I fought apartheid I have scars (emotion and otherwise) to prove, thina what are we gonna say? that we surrendered this country to the criminals? Report Abuse
S.Cold
MOGWANTI KE MANG
*****KE MAZULU HATERS*******
LOL!!!!
______________________________________________________________________
Now i understand why Azapo and PAC refuse certain members who have no political education.
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I beg to differ in this case. The comrades you've mentioned above never brought South Africa to its knees like msholozi is. This is not the issue of tribe or something out of this world - Zuma is an illitrate who cannot lead from the front and yet he regards himself as a leader of note.
..................................
Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Is-it-just-me???
the mere fact that he had to type and post that on a public forum I shuddered when I read that, question is what are other tribes gonna do about it? are they just going to vote blindly so they can be dominated by the one tribe given this comment from this person? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
Uzuma ngu Alibaba wase SA.
....................................................
Well, he will be your President for the next six years, whether you like it or not. Get used to him. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons" state the reasons/facts to support your case that way you will silence opposition. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi he is to me a president on paper otherwise I don't respect this scandal prone corrupt jiyving Alibaba. Did you see in parly few days ago he was close to tears demanding to be respecting, that my friend he WILL NEVER get from me. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons" state the reasons/facts to support your case that way you will silence opposition.
............................................
I said 'some people'. Is fluids blocking your eyesight now? I did not state my position. Why are you asking for reasons from me? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makabayi even if you said "some ppl" you still need to provide EVIDENCE of what it is exactly that singing & jiyving is doing that makes/qualifies him to be president. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mellow
@Sowetan Really now? Stop annoying me and post my comments Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Is-it-just-me???
Mkabayi
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
___________________________________________________________________
Eish,Mkabayi
Kgalema is Motswana and the North West endorsed Zuma the other day.
Aaagh man ,you must go back to debate " boys are better than girls" Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Makabayi even if you said "some ppl" you still need to provide EVIDENCE of what it is exactly that singing & jiyving is doing that makes/qualifies him to be president.
................................................................................................
Am I some people? Tell those people to give you evidence. I heard one guy calling 702 the other day and he did not give reasons and he said he could if time allowed. Unforunately, I don't have his number. A lot of people from KZN also believe he is doing better. They have their own reasons... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mellow when your comment doesn't go through use back arrow above left and edit your comments for words that are likely to be banned such as 'wh!tes' replace i with apostrophe or something just play around a bit you will soon get the hang of it, this Sowetan can be so annoying sometimes, please don't let Sowetan frustrate you already we are losing some of the greatest contributors to the national discourse skat have some patience with Sowetan. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Is-it-just-me???
Mkabayi
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
___________________________________________________________________
Eish,Mkabayi
Kgalema is Motswana and the North West endorsed Zuma the other day.
Aaagh man ,you must go back to debate " boys are better than girls"
........................................
I have already addressed this comment. Look at my comments above and see. You have your answer somewhere there above. Your main problem is that you are lazy to read. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi the KZN anc ppl are motivated with tribalism more than anything, cause Zuma is even bad and promoting their culture he is turning into a joke, how is this doing good on their behalf, you can also see comments of some anc KZN guys that theirs is tribalism, but I am not complaining cause the KZN fools are going to deliver votes of the masses to the opposition:-) Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Is-it-just-me???
Mkabayi
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
-----------------------------------------
And what did they say about PRIDE coming before a FALL? my only wish is that opposition parties have enough membership forms for the influx...lol Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Zimzalabam1
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Please dont tell us what some people are saying,then you should not have said nothing.What are you saying? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Khulza
I have long stopped worrying about Showerman winning in Mangaung. I have accepted that the comic is gonna win hands down. What many people don't realize is that Showerman's victory will, in the long run be good in the country. The ANC will lose many votes in 2014. I can bet my last dollar that with Shower as their presidential candidate the ANC will only win with about 55 % of the vote or even less.
Another thing, there is a good chance that this moron will not be around in 2014. There is a good chance that he may be one of the many stats of the AIDS pandemic. It is a known fact that the dancing buffoon sleeps around with HIV women without using a condom. Now bring on Mangaung. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
btw Makabayi did you know that zuma is the most disrespected president of SA of all times? what does that say about him? I was shocked when he was close to tears in parly I think it was last work demanding to be respected, does this man not know that respect is earned? BTW you should not think that I am trying to convince to vote against Zuma in fact you should vote for him cause the likes of you deserve to be lead by mediocre leaders like Zuma, in the meantime for those of us who are affording it, we will minimise financial damage his misrule is causing the country, guess who will is affected the most by this misgoverning? you guessed correctly, you! Who has the upper hand and the last laugh at this self inflicted Banana republic voted by your ilk? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
I think we should all get together here and have an orgy. That way, we will all respect each other. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Lepile
It has been written in the record of the Holy Scriptures:
In the last days difficult times hard to deal with will be here.
A nation will turn again a nation
Earthquake there an there
Lovers of money and fornicators and adultorers-Zuma
No respect for elders
Thieves
End when u see this things escalating know that the end is near
Fellars: this things that we see have been foretold and would not change course. They are destined to happen cz of the prophesies.
we must rejoice cz the end of the evil ones and the evil one is near. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
joyful
Thank God there are other parties to chose from - as long as ANC keeps this illiterate fool, my vote they will not see! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Laqasha I can ONLY respect a person who has sound advice/opinion even when I disagree with said opinion. Just to give you a jist of how I am wired, you know during the Bush era in the USA though I didn't agree with the politics of the republics there ppl who were respectable behind him such as Condoleza Rice and Colin Powell I didn't agree with their politics but I respected their positions and Ms Rice went on global stage to prove that she is NOT A QUOTE but a force to be recknoned with, that I respect.
What I don't respect about the anc is that some of the leaders at best of time when engaging with opposition on very serious issues they appear to not be informed about constitution rights of the opposition, they seem to expect to be given respect which they have not earned eg if you look at the opening of the borders and uncontrolled, now we have migrants coming to SA as cleaners and car guards did we really need to import these skills? how do these skills help to improve our country's economy? Blade was recently quoted as having said "we are being undermined by wh!tes" why should wh!te ppl respect corrupt non delivering arrogant gov officials? because at the end of the day its them who have to facilitate charities and such humanitarian events to pick up broken bits and pieces of the masses who are being let down by the anc regime, I've visited soem of the charity work done by some wh!te middle class whilst on holiday in SA, so I know that they are picking up broken bits and pieces of lives destroyed by inept gov we have.
And also in all guest houses I stayed in its MAINLY black ppl who are serving, this means this regime has failed to build a bigger stronger black middle class which is why in this new dispensation black ppl are being carried on the shoulder by minority for their survival. Now please lets think about, what is to respect in all this? cause you know I really want to be fair to the anc and respect them for doing something respectful t those voting for them, did you know in all the driving around down the Garden route, it was only young black males that were begging/car guards? I ask you again what has the anc achieved for its constituent cause I really really want to be able to respect them. Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,
Zuma has not even finished his term, he has been in power for about three and half years. How can you then judge him so soon? Is that fair? Have you forgotten that there are significant achievements he has made over the very same short period?
You seem to suffer from seelective amnesia, and yet you expected to be taken serious.
Zuma detractors and ha'ters conveniently forget that counterforces such as the ANCYL (especially under Malema) became permanent distracting figures and irr'itants to the ANC leadership and the ANC-led government.
They effectively wanted to dictate the agenda, and call the shorts on the course the country had to take while they thought of themselves as the untouchables.
Who can forget about their constant bic'kering over Libya, SA's "declining" influence on the continent and global stage? Their constant tau'nting, swipes and th'reats to Mantashe (whom they used to refer to as the outgoing SG)? Their politics of bul'lying when they co'erced the ANC to start the debate on nationalisation.
In addition to the ANCYL's er'ratic behaviour, Msholozi had to deal with serious divisions and factionalism within the ANC, and manage the after-effects of the formation of COPE. The world economic melt down further compounded Zuma's list of problems as it posed a direct threat to our own economy. Service delivery protests spiralled out of control immediately after JZ assumed reign.
In short, Zuma had all the work cut out for him, and only a super human could effectively manage to succesfully keep everything tightly under control. Zuma did to the best of his ability against all odds.
Thabo Mbeki and Mandela never faced any serious form of internal ANC re'volt that made it almost impossible to effectively lead the organisation. Hence his detractors cite his lack of decisive leadership forgetting the prevailing and testing conditions he led the movement under.
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
========================================================
Well said there... just that Zuma is too corrupt & under his leadership corruption has increase Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi the KZN anc ppl are motivated with tribalism more than anything, cause Zuma is even bad and promoting their culture he is turning into a joke, how is this doing good on their behalf, you can also see comments of some anc KZN guys that theirs is tribalism, but I am not complaining cause the KZN fools are going to deliver votes of the masses to the opposition:-)
..........................................................................
No. KZN people are motivated by pride. As I said even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama because he is black. White people understood that those black people were motivated by pride and they did not call them racists.
You are proud of being a Xhosa. That is why you always protect Mbeki, Winne and other Xhosa people here. You are proud of them. There is nothing wrong with that. It does not make you a tribalist. You don't hate other tribes, but you are proud of your own. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
@somaartakeit
I can't add or take away anything in what you are saying. I agree fully. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
joyful
@BCool13
To Zuma:
"Pride comes be a fall".
********************
oh deary, the only "Pride" Zuma knows is the one for pap............
such a statement like this might make him to call a lekgotla, form a team to investigate this pride and the hawks to findout who made it to fall! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi you could not have been watching presidential campaign in the USA cause you would have known that the Obama candidacy won because of WOMEN who felt insulted by remarks made by one Republican candidate, it was broken down in another paper I forgot now which one is it, by percentages and race who voted Obama, it was the women of all colours highst percentage followed by the Latinos I suppose its more to do with the Democrats stance on immigration, and thirdly it was homosexual ppl and sympathisers cause homosexuals were also insulted by Republican candidates, you should know that Americans vote on NATIONAL ISSUES not on RACE, what also trumped up the Democrats card was the speed response by Obama to the victims of hurricane, that my friend is SERVICE DELIVERY SUPREME!!!
YOu need to start reading other literature outside the anc brainwashing manuals, then you will know what is trending and what's not.
Obama couldn't have won if his ticket depended only on race, I think you were being corrected by KeRatabasadi on this false claim you keep touting around?
The world respect common sense and KNOWLEDGE knowledge my friend is power we don't respect zuma partly because he is the MOST UNinformed president of SA of all times. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
joyful
and people, tribalism is not the answer!
surely not all Zulus are in support of what the fool of a president is doing to our beautiful country?
I also do not think the people of Nkandla are "enjoying" Zuma's spoils - in his own area there are still a lot of jobless people, poor people ---------- in typical dictatorship, those who benefits from "his wealth"(our taxes of course) are people of his own family! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Khulza
People are failing to realize one thing. The second term for Zuma who is by all account the most USELESS president ever and will go down in history as such is not all doom amd gloom for the country. Zuma's re-election will be manna for opposition parties.
If the ANC foolishly thinks that people will continue voting for them just because they are a liberation party they are making a very big mistake.
Come 2014 if Zuma will be their candidate I foresee some prominent ANC members openly campaigning for people to vote against the ANC. Look at what happened in Potchefstroom where ANV councillors ganged up with the oppposition to pass a vote of no-confidence on their mayor. I see this happening here in 2014 if Shower is still around.Besides, chances are that after MAngaung the ANC will have another split so chances are that opposition parties may be in a position to form a coalition government.
Is-it-just-me???
S.Cold its obvious you are the new members to ANC from Inkatha.
Once you cross over to the ANC you must go to political school first .
===========================================================
SILENT TREATMENT BIACH Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
.....................................................................
I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good. The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism. Zulus people are supporting Zuma because of pride. It doesn't mean that they hate other tribes. I we were to vote for DA only because the President is a Sotho or Xhosa, that will then be tribalism. Look, we voted for Mandela and Mbeki and they are Xhosa people. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Joyful such a wit LOVL
@Laqasha our saving grace now is to have ability to analyse scrutinise results and what these leaders undertake on our behalf cause our children will have to foot the bill in the long run, hence I say knowledge is power, we must empower ourselves with knowledge, the anc wants to destroy our right to knowledge ie controlling press freedom so that they can not be reported on corruption and other misrepresentations the anc regime with Zum at the helm have made us a laughing stock even in other African countries, not before long the porous borders are going to (if they are not already) costing SA its freedom.
If only migrants are employed in jobs that can be done by SAns, this alone puts the masses who should be fielding those jobs in an economic disposition, as we all know money talks the ones with money will have influence in what the gov does in the future, take for instance in Kenya the gov there failed to develop and grow middle class of Kenyans as a direct result their economy is run by Indians,
I appeal to the masses to not let the anc take out the cream out of your mouths, we must fight to retain and sustain our country, as you all are aware by now time is not on our side, we need to pull together and eject the anc from power before it completely brings all aground. That's not to say we should vote for the DA there are many other opposition who predicted that have no clue at the time is was sighted that many anc leaders have no education, so you tell me how can you lead effectively without KNOWLEDGE? KNOWLEDGE is POWER my friends, look at all the developed countries, they invest their resources in EDUCATION AND HEALTH so the citizens can sustain themselves and eventually the country.
Guys we can't afford Dollhouse politics anymore otherwise we will find ourselves with leaders like Zuma. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Winilen
27 Nov 2012Thinawise
The good thing about all of this is that there will be a new party that willl be formed after zuma being voted for the 2nd term,interesting enough is that the ANC is being divided little by little and DA are watching the space,.
It was cope now there is another party coming soon.atleast during 2014 DA will stand a chance of taking over if this party will be formed...
As a zulu,im being disgusted with this guy who continues to disappoint our country in every way.
====================================================
1st it was the IFP, UDM,COPE etc we are used to that Report Abuse
@Khulza
People are failing to realize one thing. The second term for Zuma who is by all account the most USELESS president ever and will go down in history as such is not all doom amd gloom for the country. Zuma's re-election will be manna for opposition parties.
------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst I partly I agree with your position my main issue is that, we should have leaders that are strong mentally that understands our issues not leaders who are waiting to scrape off scraps falling off anc table, opposition parties must work and EARN our votes, to do so they need to a have a clear cut agenda on how they plan to take the country forward, we should not be in the habit of settling, when they get our vote we must get in teh habit of checking balances and results.
YOu know in Lybia their dead dictator kept the country's money in his pocket, he is said to have been funding other dictators so that when he is in trouble, he can use their rebels as his private army, as Africans we must not allow our leaders to treat us as if we were children, I don't want this country's resources to be in the pockets of Zuma family I want SA to be in charge of what gets done on their behalf cause at the end of hte day they are the ones who must fork out for good or bad decisions inflicted upon us by these leaders, so the opposition must go out there and work and earn our votes cause like right now we are gatvol of being abused by politicians, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Let Msholozi have his song and dance, if the ANC core in Mangaung want him back for the second term, so be it, and @ll wait for 2014, AND STOP PRATTLING ABOUT HATING HIM!! It is starting to get tedious. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
Khulza
=========================
U REALLY HATE ZUMA NE
@Mosquer......
hehehehehehe...lol...
____________________________________________________________________________________
As for this article and topic ......NO COMMENT Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@skwamasamabele
Let Msholozi have his song and dance, if the ANC core in Mangaung want him back for the second term, so be it, and @ll wait for 2014, AND STOP PRATTLING ABOUT HATING HIM!! It is starting to get tedious.
-------------------------------------
and hating something which brings our great nation down is fine, we should in fact that the anc is reducing our country into a spaza shop we should feel ashamed that we have unaccountable leaders, we must be so mad that as a nation we should collectively call gen election to be brought forward before zuma and the anc destroys this country completely, for some of us 2014 is a long stretch, we must sterilise this festering wound right now and right here!!!
People time is not on our side and even if it was time is money we are losing our monetarily and otherwise for the grand theft inflicted upon us by the anc Alibaba and the 400+ bandit of thieves. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
cornelius
It is embarra.ssing to have a president that sings and dances like a performing mon.key to get re-elected. Why is he so desperate ? He stated before Polokwane that he only wants 1 term. Why go to such lengths now ? It cannot be that he is so passionate, with such a clear vision for the country that the wants to lead to make sure he realises it. Also, he must know that the country would be in safe hands, if Mothlanthe took over - a lot safer and better actually - yet he demans himself like this . The reason is obvious - state resources to be plundered by him, family and cronies. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
Illuminated10111
"I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good. The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism. Zulus people are supporting Zuma because of pride. It doesn't mean that they hate other tribes. I we were to vote for DA only because the President is a Sotho or Xhosa, that will then be tribalism. Look, we voted for Mandela and Mbeki and they are Xhosa people"
Truth be told (as I am in the business of speaking truth to power today) amaZulu for the big part are tribalistic in their way of thinking etc, take for instance prior to the run up to the first elections in thsi country, was it not ama-Zulu who ganged up with the enemy and tried to derail first democratic election? Madiba had to bribe Gatsha with a ministerial position to calm things down.
I just feel frustrated for forward thinking amaZulu who must be embarrassed and as frustrated as us with this glaring tribalism prevailing within the anc post plkn, that again shows that Zuma has not ability to be a national leader, how can he think progressively when he sees himself first as a umZulu rather than national president? Even now he has brought in the former inkatha ppl to come fight for him to stay in power hence there is a political bloodbath in KZN. Report Abuse
Zuma, he might win in Mangaung but not second term as president of the country, and this is going to be the downfall of the ANC.This has looooong been prophesised, even his followers who are capable of intimidating people with violence/firearms,they won`t know what hit them. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
You know the Queen of England sees and speaks to his subject as the ppl of GREAT BRITAIN or United Kingdom, she doesn't see herself as a first English cause she knows that will divide her country, why does Zuma always parades himself first as a traditional leader instead of presenting himself as a national leader? sorry guys but Zuma until he starts thinking in progressive way he doesn't represent me. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayi
I think u r missing a point, your insistanca of Zuma surport based on tribalism go against the principle of And and Zuma himself,Zuma can never win presidency byZulus surport only, if it were not for Motlante stupid surport for Juju I am quit certain he would be leading by now . You must bear in mind we r building a nation now don't ivoke the apartheid objectives which Zuma fought against Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Mandela was a national leader and a global icon, he deserved his Nobel Prize.
Mbeki was an Africanist he is responsible to put Africa agenda on int'l platform,
Zuma is a Zulu leader whose existence is funded by SAns.
We wanted Zuma to lead us from where Mandela and Mbeki left off, how hard can that be given that that the road for developed was already foundationed and paved?
Many incl myself predicted that Zuma will fail this country cause it was clear from the onset that he had no trace of leadership skills in his corrupt veins, sadly we were proven to be correct, partly I blame ancyl and its women wing that we are in the mess we find ourselves in today. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
Mkabayi-kaJama
Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
.....................................................................
I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
supported
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i am seeing people calling each other bad names in relation to their tribes and this is something that irritates me a lot!, we'd rather do that instead of thinking over the boundries and finding a way forwad on how to fix this broken nation! regardless of where u belong this affects us al! if petrol goes up it doesn't mean zulus wont feel the pinch becoz the president is zulu, b'sides he is Our South African president! he is this country's president in foreign lands he represents us all!
@somaartakeit
maar somaar, you're being unfair to the mshowerlozi............. he cannot be compared to the queen of england deary .......... I doubt he even qualifies to be compared to her horses......
comaprison unfair - cannot compare mud to diamonds, no basis of comparison! their 2 individuals are uncomparable! the queen in question has a high IQ while our president's IQ is missing in action......... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Nyongoyavenda please dude get your facts right, Mothlante is not supporting Malema by any stretch of imagination more than he voiced his views on the way the disciplinary and ultimate suspension was carried, Mothlante has (to a certain degree) a consciencentious, but in the anc a differing view is seen as either for us or against us, guys you really need to start reasoning in a mature way if you are to sustain your party.
Malema has done a lot of things wrong, he was supported in this by Zuma till the fall out, so I agree with Mothlante it was hypocritical of Zuma to now decide to suspend Malema from the anc, without him taking responsibility for his party it influencing malema to behave like a complete idiot most of the times.
My other position is that, I feel sorry for Malema only because he was used cause Malema is not mentally strong, Zuma exploited his mental weakness to ride on his shoulders into presidency, so it (IMO) doesn't make sense why the anc concl Malema is bad @rse and Zuma a prince when they are both a cut from the same cloth. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Joyfull, lovl I was trying to be nice to the mud:-) lol Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Illuminated10111 - Its got nothing to do with JZ being Zulu (Although, alot of Zulu people are supporting him only because of this reason), the real issue here is that the dude is grossly incompetent and corrupt.
If we have to have a corrupt and incompetent dude 'representing us', then I consider myself presidentless.
I wount support scuuumbags like this.
H3llz no. Report Abuse
All hell is gonna break lose in a few moments time. Let me stay back and prepare myself for a good laughter. **smiling** Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
27 Nov 2012
Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely well said.Please sisters and brothers.
@somaartakeit
I know you always argue with half truths and lies, in his book he says he doesn't believe Juju was treatet right but he has never pointed out exactly which and wasn't applied according to book in on juju discipline, difernt view is tolerated in the and that y he is still the deputy under Mbeki he would have long gone
Male a is overstating his importance on Zuma surpot many people who surpoted Zuma cost it was clear that he was very popular, it helped dem mo than it helped Zuma Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@imfene
27 Nov 2012
Illuminated10111
------------------------------
Sorry but that is an excuse for the lazy minds who chose to not want to think progressively unfortunately for these (thinking on tribal and race lines) they are derailing progress for our country.
Let it be said that I will NEVER support someone doing something wrong because he/she has same skin colour or race or gender as me, to support wrong cause the wrong doer wears teh same skin shade/gender/tribe as you is to collaborate with practices of injustices.
What also history has taught me is that, the racist/tribalists are shameless ppl without any moral code, look at Hitler or did you think he was ONLY killing the Jews? look at Idi Amin, Mugabe etc, moral of the story is that when good people cease to stand up for what's right evil thrives. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Cornelius
Don’t thank me now; I’m tired of hearing d0g barks.
@Ngonyamayamavenda I wish guys like you could read with understanding and comprehension cause really why Mothlante said what he said iro Juju's disciplinery and ultimate suspension is that, it was right for Juju to insult other elders of the movement coached and encouraged by Zuma now that he was turning on Zuma the state resources were used against him is that not power abuse on the part of Zuma? Granted Malema is no angel, in fact he is the most obnoxious politicians SA ever had, I am so sad that anc allowed and enabled Malema to rich the highest level political, thus sending clear message to the young of this country that uncouthness and loutishness is what will take you further not education and other valuable skills.
Now try to comprehend this simple English, the disciplinary of Malema was politically motivated, cause Malema has always been a rude politician and if the Hawks findings are anything to go by also corrupt but who in the anc leaders is not guilty of this? now before you answer this question think about the anc is a collective, so everything Malema did/said was supported by them, that is why the anc is even today trying to defend hate speech song which was banned by a court of law in this country, the k!ll the b0er song, anc is an organisation of uneducated political louts. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@Cornelius
Zuma has inspired Zille she dances like she is possesd, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Ngwana-Modimo-Feela
Viva President Zuma,everybody say'VIVA!!! Viva President Zuma VIVA,@ somaartakeit,say VIVA Our President, VIVA! @joyful Say Viva Msholozi Viva!!@cornelius, say Viva My President Viva!!@ NICEBOOBS say Amndlaaaaa, awthuuuuuu,Viva Msholozi, Viva!!! MY PRESIDENT, MY PRESIDENT,MY PRESIDENT MY PRESIDENT,GO ZUMA GO!! ZUMA FOR THE 2ND TERM GO!!PHANSI MOTHLANTHE PHANSI!,PHANSI MALEMA, PHANSI, HALALA NGO ZUMA HALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,ZUMA PHEZULU NGE 2ND TERM PHEZULU, PAMBILI NGE ANC KA ZUMA PHEZULU, WE ARE 101 % BEHIND YOYU MSHOLOZI, PHANSI NGE CORRUPTION,PHANSI, PHEZULU NGE SERVICE DELIVERY PHEZULU!!,PHANSI NGE CRIME, PHANSI,PHEZULU NGE SMOOOOOOTH SERVICE DELIVERY!!!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ !#Sinudeity#!
Your brain is anorexic and your mouth is obese - considering this nature, you're from the jungle!
"Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh! "
Nyongoyamavenda - Its not HZ's fault that she has to dance. Its these silly voters, who support politicians based on how well they can dance, that forced her to dance :P
Now just imagine, if these supporters were swayed by policies, delivery and debates, and not song and dance.
Alas, South African voters are still years away from this level of understanding. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@NgwanaModima I wish I could say viva but as things stands he is not going to be around for very long considering that hiv can't be rinsed off in the shower. Do you know what's the meaning of the word viva? but I would have loved for him to live longer so that he can serve time in prison for corruption. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@Goat_trash
You behave like a Trojan horse virus on my pc Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Shredder
There's a vacancy at the mental institution for bi-polar disordered individuals - all you have to do is learn how to count to minus 4, then the job is yours!
There's a vacancy at the mental institution for bi-polar disordered individuals - all you have to do is learn how to count to minus 4, then the job is yours!
=========================================================================
LOL. Come on now. What did I do to offend you?
By the way, I noticed that sinudeity's mouth is anorexic and his mouth obese. LOL Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
Goat_Trash
You have come to the wrong site for Psychiatric advice. Next floor down and turn right. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ imfene
You're the queen in your own house - The d0g kennel!
Goat_Trash, weet jou ma jy speel alweer buite? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayi
I think u r missing a point, your insistanca of Zuma surport based on tribalism go against the principle of And and Zuma himself,Zuma can never win presidency byZulus surport only, if it were not for Motlante stupid surport for Juju I am quit certain he would be leading by now . You must bear in mind we r building a nation now don't ivoke the apartheid objectives which Zuma fought against
......................
Well, you support Zuma because he is a Zulu. Deny it all you can, but deep down you know it. Report Abuse
"Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh! "
...............................................
Well, you will never take the pride away from the people. People are proud of their tribes and there is nothing wrong with that. The only problem is when people start to hate other tribes. Report Abuse
@-Cl!ck-
============================
How are you my friend? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartekeit
Yes I agree juju was somewhat condoned to hurl insult mainly at Mbeki n Zille and including Zuma n Motlante were quiet bt he to get mad then Zuma first sat wth everyone in Durban n clearly stated that from now onwards such things won't be tolerated no more. Bt as u know juju he is not blessed with intelligence he continued, he was suspended he continued....expelled so is that Motlante is complaining about he just dividing and cost juju wanted him to take over from Zuma that's all, Male a DC was not political actually it took too long for him to be disciplined he had caused so much embarrassment to the anc Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,
Nice try. Let me help you out. The only Zulus in that list are Zuma and Mkhize. Gwede is Xhosa, Cyril is Venda, Duarte is Coloured and Baleka's maiden name is Kgositsile. She is married to a Mbete who is also not Zulu. That takes the number of non-Zulus to 4 out of 6. So where is your proof for tribalism?
You people are sore losers. You just need to deal with your inferiority complex and leave people of the Zulu Kingdom alone while day-dreaming. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Your bra has electrical wiring - it only switches on when you start talking - no wonder you sound "choked"
@!#Sinudeity#!
Shredder - Are you racist?
===========================
Hell to the no. Never ever will I be one. Racists(black and white) p!ss me off. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-
I don't consider you a vulture - I'd consider you what a vulture would eat!
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
A pride can be abused when you don't track down what is it that which you are proud about, is what you are proud help to build the nation and prosperity in our country? I can tell you that tribalism is not building this country instead it will fragment it, hence I said if Zuma doesn't see that tribalism is wrong then he should not be a leader of this diverse nation. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Mgwijikhwebu - "leave people of the Zulu Kingdom alone while day-dreaming"
We would, but you are costing us millions of rands. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
Mkabayi-kaJama
Feeling kinship,at home in your clan or tribe and even pride in something that has been achieved. But I agree with you - not at the expense of any other person or group. Once that happens, somebody then is given a reason for unhappiness. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Mgwijikhwebu
Let's play cowboys - I'll be the cowboy and you be yourself!
My mind still boggles that a person with such poor credentials made it to the top of the ANC and South Africa.
If JZ makes a second term I will feel that the ANC is failing this country. And I wil more than ever believe that Zuma is buying his place at the top - with our tax money, nogal.
That being said I am glad that we stay in a country where democracy is making such problems possible. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Trash
I wouldn't be so sure if you want to play Tellie-Tubbies with me.. I'm not in the mood, 1st WARNING.. *Bl0ody insect*.. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Msiphos00
Has Microsoft upgraded to Windows 9 if they did I blame them cos I can see some of our brothers and sisters are confused cos real some of their comments on this article are way out of line Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ FarCeSpotter
If I told you that I have a piece of dirt in my eye, would you move?
Sommartakeit- Yes the ANC is corrupt, Yes the ANC is not delivering. But, step back a bit, and tell me what the Nationalist govt did for all the people, except white people?? We were kept in the dark from 1910 to 1994 about corruption in those govts, when asking those questions, one either disappears or has an accident. We manage to know and critisize the ANC because we are allowed to due to the current constitution and freedom of speech. Under the Nationalists, you know it was suicide to do that. I am an ANC supporter, and I started my struggle in Soweto in 1976, never went to exile because I wanted to bring the minority govt down by peaceful means. I left SA in 1994, hoping it was in good hands. Joined the UNICEF security team. I can see what is going on in SA everytime I visit, that is not what I fought for, I was hoping by now no-one would be living in a shack, lacking basic amenities. I support the ANC, but not the Leadership, and I WANT MY ANC BACK!!! Perhaps it might be wiser to bring the corrupt Leadership down and preserve the organisation. The core ANC base has a duty and a responsibility to the country to CHANGE LEADERSHIP!! Our govt is a laughing stock in the West, especially here in the UK. With gold prices at a record high ($1400 an ounce), you'd think SA would come into its own, by job creation on the mining sector. I promised myself never to work for the ANC govt until they change their ways, and I will only come back home when I am retired, and enjoy my British pension. I wont be part of a govt that let down the people who fought and died for this country. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Ngonyamayomvenda the issue here is Zuma should not have allowed the Malema situation to go as far as it did, he only allowed it cause it benefited him politically, therefore I concl he is operating without ethics or standards or even moral values considering that black culture across Africa forbids any young person to speak untoward against an elderly, so how under the watch of full anc leaders was Malema allowed to behave the way he did? He was ONLY ejected cause he was doing to them what he did to both Helen Zille and Thabo Mbeki, unfortunately for Malema and Zuma camp they couldn't get Mbeki to stoop to their levels hence I said KNOWLEDGE/EDUCATION is POWER, Mbeki would not waste any of his valuable time arguing with uneducated political louts, for all this misdeeds in this part I was very proud of him that he carried himself like a true gentleman, it made me proud that in both occasions of Mbeki and Mandela we Xhosas gave SA and the world true leaders who had ability to think and to revise their position when found to be wrong, not jiyving jack who can't even read. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-
I changed your 1st nappies - After seeing what came out of your @ss, I decided to remove you from my medical aid!
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayi
No I surpoted Mandela,thabo mbeki and I will surpt Cyril, I am proud Zulu bt I am also proud of other Afiricaans like Sothos, Yoruba etc Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,
You are either a big fan or secret lover / concunbine for ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat neh???? You seem to concurring, echoing and agreeing with everything that he stands for.
So now you are one of those who think booting Malema was a mistake? Mhh... you are indeed a hypocrite of the first order. Report Abuse
Your bra has electrical wiring - it only switches on when you start talking - no wonder you sound "choked"
....................................................
That is your mama.. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ FarCeSpotter
The traffic lights have turned red - I'll be with you in a sec!
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayi
No I surpoted Mandela,thabo mbeki and I will surpt Cyril, I am proud Zulu bt I am also proud of other Afiricaans like Sothos, Yoruba etc
...............................
Why are supporting Zuma for second term? Come on man, 100% of KZN members nominated Zuma, why? We can deny it all we can. Look, there is nothing wrong with being proud. I'm also against those people hating other tribes, but there is nothing wrong with people being proud of your own tribe. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Skwamasamabele trust guys like you to bring National Party card into the debate when you have no moral high ground anymore against the NAT Regime, btw how should I care what the Nats did considering that no black persons in this country vote for them? Secondly if we have to consider deliverance of services of both regime to their constituences the NAT regime trumps the anc regime by millions of miles, there were no wh!te squatters under the nat regime, all wh!tes at least have access to basic education, all wh!tes had basic resources such as public transport and they built for blacks better shoe box housing than the anc does for its cosntituent. now lets quickly run down and see what anc has achieved.
EC more than 55% are without jobs, majority are employed in menial jobs as cashiers, car guards cleaners, medical infrastructure is falling to pieces, corruption is rife, and said corruption derails service delivery as funds stolen in these corruption events are funds which were geared to create a better life for prev economically marginalised, infant mortality rate high, hiv left behind 8mil orphans, education is in crisis, most public service personnel have been involved in some type of corruption or the other, most gov depts dysfunctional, crime which affects even infants is at an all time high, opening of border gates to all criminals of the world to come have a party in SA at expense of our national stability, matriculants of the EC anc hub are failing and graduated are unemployable due to low quality of education, many blacks like in apartheid era are still economic migrants, in most business establishments blacks by far and large are still there as service agents not business owning, our wild life is under threat, in some areas tap water is undrinkable, poverty, lavish expenditure of public rsources by gov officials, I am only stopping here only because my fingers are tired of typing not because I have run out of reporting on anc underachievements. Now is this this somethign to be proud about? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartakeit
Mbeki had so much shortcomings as well, he never took actions against his corupt comrades, he surrounded himself wth yes man, he talked democracy while he surpoted rigged election in Zim, HIV children perished cost Mbeki offered dem garlic n betroot as a medicine, he slaped Winnie[wom an abuse] in full capacity stadium, we experienced electricity crisis right under his leadership, he was always overseas and aloof from grassroots I can go on n on Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Tra(th)
You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
@Sinudeity,
What millions? Do you expect Zuma to render his excellent service to the nation without getting paid for it? All the improvements around his Palace were necessary for his safety. He is the state president of Africa's largest economy after-all.
Again, do you expect king Zwelithini with subjects totalling over 10 million to be the king of all kings for nothing. R 68 million per annum is just an insult to the king and the entire mighty Zulu nation. He deserves 5 times as much.
Zulus contributed and sacrificed a lot for this country. Hence the special treatment is well deserved and be encouraged by all sober and right thinking citizens of this country. Surely, you cannot equate simple truth and stright facts to tribalism intelligent people. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes.
------------------------------------------------------
I should remind you which tribe was the target of h@te in running up to SA's first democratic elections? Need I remind you that the attacked which occurred then under the watch of Gatsha and Zwelithini were fueled by hate and jealousy that Mandela who happened to be a Xhosa was a first black president in SA?
Again in Marikane it is said its mainly Xhosas who incurred most of the casualties this happened under the watch of a Zulu national leaders.
in all this we try to swallow our pain and look forward to build this country cause we understand what liberation struggle was about and also for the sake of other educated and civilised Zulu ppl we don't want to indulge these neo Zulu tribalists who have entrenched themselves within the anc. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Shredder
@somaartakeit - Secondly if we have to consider deliverance of services of both regime to their constituences the NAT regime trumps the anc regime by millions of miles, there were no wh!te squatters under the nat regime,
==========================================================================
There was Mshenguville in Mofolo named after Ephraim Tshabalala.
Besides, there wouldn't have been because the bulldozers would have come within a day and do the Lenasia. Most of the people in Pretoria who live in the squatters come from their former Bantustans homelands, now renamed to Limpopo and Mpumalanga mainly. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-
A lameward like you is always saying something gay - guess what? I'm not interested fool!
Man, who meets girl in a park is good, but man, who parks meat in girl, even better. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
You're a failed attempt at an abortion! - thanks to your ugliness
..........................................................
Wena awuzalwanga wazingelwa Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-
You're dad's wife is so awesome - we rekindled to make another f'aggot like you!
Laqasha
Man, who meets girl in a park is good, but man, who parks meat in girl, even better.
==============================================================
WTF does that supposed to mean? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Trash
With a breathe and odour like yours.. I'd advertise myself to replace DOOM as a cockroach killer.. Wait, how about being an ATOMIC bomb and blow away your family??
Brothers and sisters,
A dentist is not the only person who can have his tool inside a girl's mouth. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Ngonyamayamavenda I am no fan of Mbeki and I also know that he was NOT perfect. Mbeki as the anc representative first and foremost he was carrying out the anc's will on his stance in Zimbabwe if not the anc should have stopped him dead on his tracks. On the aids debacle, this is the main reason I stopped voting anc cause I believe they didn't move as fast as they should have on the issue they had to be pressured by NGOs and civil rights groups such as TAC in order to act, but I think (and I stand corrected) that Mbeki's views on aids were misconstrued to suit political agenda at the time, he suggested that (which btw I agree with) that we should not ONLY look on the medical aspect of it, we should also look on the nutritional side of things, this can not be disputed by medical professional worthy of their salt, Mbeki's problem was his failure to deal with Dr Garlick & Beetroot when her concoction failed to produce results, he should have further fired Dr Nkosazana Zuma for wasting public resources on an hiv/aids play.
Anyway the issue right now is not debate who did the worse but why the anc has not make good on its election of a better life for all, I am sick to death listening and reading about their past I want to hear about current and the future. Report Abuse
You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
......................................................................................
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaks u made ma day dude hahahahahahahaha
@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Shredder
@Heavenlydevine
@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan?
=============================================================
Possibly. He is very sensitive. You remember the guy who raised his middle finger at him? What about the one who almost spilled his drink on him? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
skwamasamabele
Sowetan- you allow goat_trash to verbally abuse commentators and you wont allow my response to his non-exitent contribution?? Get your act together Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
TheTrueWord
There is no surprise as to why JZ wants the second term so desperately. Everyone would do so if there were prospects of them going to court to answer 783 corruption, fraud, racketeering, etc. charges.
This is the political solution that the ANC had been always saying they seek for JZ's charges and woes. Report Abuse
@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan?
=============================================================
Possibly. He is very sensitive. You remember the guy who raised his middle finger at him? What about the one who almost spilled his drink on him?
.........................................................................................................................
Noted bra...OK let me swear @ him in jibirish #$#%&&$ ^&**&%$&( MaSE *&%$$ Dance WITH ur Bold %&*%&*%* head U ^**&$*%R$ Retard..There u go i feel btr already thanks 4 the Heads up @Shredder Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Shredder
@skwamasamabele
Sowetan- you allow goat_trash to verbally abuse commentators and you wont allow my response to his non-exitent contribution?? Get your act together
=========================================================================
LOL. Goat_Trash has his ways of circumventing Sowetan's filter. LOL Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes.
------------------------------------------------------
I should remind you which tribe was the target of h@te in running up to SA's first democratic elections? Need I remind you that the attacked which occurred then under the watch of Gatsha and Zwelithini were fueled by hate and jealousy that Mandela who happened to be a Xhosa was a first black president in SA?
Again in Marikane it is said its mainly Xhosas who incurred most of the casualties this happened under the watch of a Zulu national leaders.
in all this we try to swallow our pain and look forward to build this country cause we understand what liberation struggle was about and also for the sake of other educated and civilised Zulu ppl we don't want to indulge these neo Zulu tribalists who have entrenched themselves within the anc.
............................
Well, that was wrong. It is wrong if people hate people of other tribes. That is tribalism. I said this so many times now.
BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IF PEOPLE ARE PROUND OF THEIR OWN TRIBES. Zulus voted for both Mandela and Mbeki. I shown that they don't hate other tribes. In a case of Zuma, they support him over Mothlante because they are proud of him. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
skwamasamabele - "Yes the ANC is corrupt, Yes the ANC is not delivering. But, step back a bit, and tell me what the Nationalist govt did for all the people, except white people?"
Are you trying to compare the apartheid government to the ANC government? The apartheid government was wrong, was it not so? So you will justify the current governments wrongs, by comparing them to apartheid governments wrongs? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ skwamasamabele
I could've sworn I heard you say something - maybe it was fart escaping your sagging @ss!
@somaartakeit
Zulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Shredder
@somaartakeit -
There was Mshenguville in Mofolo named after Ephraim Tshabalala.
Besides, there wouldn't have been because the bulldozers would have come within a day and do the Lenasia. Most of the people in Pretoria who live in the squatters come from their former Bantustans homelands, now renamed to Limpopo and Mpumalanga mainly.
-----------------------------------------------------
I don't know much about Soweto history iro to apartheid era, but what is of issue to me is that what is the anc regime is doing to change the picture, ie
Economic and education migrants which was the issue ito family destruction then and now?
Why do you guys always have to compare btwn apartheid and the anc? black ppl didn't vote for apartheid, but voted for the anc on the premise that they wld improve their lives for better, and we should have enough common sense as blacks to accept that the anc has FAILED in ALL of its MAJOR mandates and when we do, we must get the ball rolling and get a new gov that will deliver. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Heavenlydevine
Not done Pezzy U TUUUUU TUUUU TU T TUUUU GO FTUUU TUUUU TTUUUU we don't wanna hear ur F TUUU tu tuuuuuuuu SHtuuuutuuuuuutuuu Ahhhhhhh now i am done Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Heavenlydevine
You've just been suffocated under an armpit - I feel sorry for deodrants!
You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
===========================================================
Bathathe Click. LOL Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Heavenlydevine
@Goat_Trash-U have a lolipop head when u walk by a child daycare kids cry 4u....u stupid fizzpop
@Nyongoyamavenda @somaartakeit
Zulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane
------------------------------------------
Why not hide behind race and tribalism card to try deflect from the truth, I know that my truth is hard hitting even your leaders when I engage then they can't handle the facts cause they expect that all of us are following them around foolishly.
Now to qualify my argument about 'national zulu leaders' which you quoted to conveniently.
What did King Goodwill Zwelithini do when iNkatha mainly Zulu warlords went on a rampage in GP prior to the first democratic election, besides accepting bribes from the anc in return to develop Zulu votes to the ANC at the time? even right now he is being funded so he can deliver Zulu votes to keep ZUma in power, how is this ethical? How should I as a non Zulu respect these Zulu leaders who clearly are lacking on ethics?
Gatsha had to be given a ministerial post in the Mandela gov otherwise the slaughter in GP back then would have continued, and what did he do iro his responsibility in thsi portfolio to make this portfolio benefit the country and for the millions he siphoned frm tax payers as a result of his quota position?
and btw don't you go flattering yourself into thinking I care to engage on this forum with the weakminded such as yourself, I don't address you unless you address my comments, which you should not be reading cause it is clear htey are above your average level of comprehension. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Laqasha
Confucius says
People support the Dancing One, idiots! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, you just don't seem to get it. Just tell me, if a Zulu man rapes you, will you still be proud of him just because he is Zulu? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Heavenlydevine
I'm sorry, but I think you're mistaking me for someone who gives a sh!t what your lame story is all about - Wake me up on the left side of the master-bed when you're done - your mom will be on the right-hand side!
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartakeit
Zulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane
.........................
You see now? This is kind of pride I was talking about.
================================================================
@-Cl!ck-............Fokof, man. We know you the same person as Goat_Tra(th)
anyway I am going to the thread Zuma lied not that its a surprise that he lied he always lies and he is not very clever to make his lies believable and also an uneducated person can not succeed in lying to the educated ppl cause educated ppl deal on facts, so Zuma must accept that he is useless even in lying. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
That's correct you imbicle - just like your left and right breasts - happy now?
Your head is expired - more like the condom used when you were born!
=============================================================
LOL. I am no match for you Goat_Trash, Click will sort you out. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
somaartakeit
" I am sick to death listening and reading about their past I want to hear about current and the future."
And that goes for future information on ALL parties, not just the ANC, The media stands accused.
zuma is not my president. just now they finalized the protection of info bill, which means if we vote this idiot in, its gon be real outchea Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ imfene
Shush - it's time for your medication (anti-freeze injection)!
I can't.. Because your butt is leaking k@k.. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
TheTrueWord
There is no surprise as to why JZ wants the second term so desperately. Everyone would do so if there were prospects of them going to court to answer 783 corruption, fraud, racketeering, etc. charges.
-----------------------------------------
the anc are guilty of colluding with zuma his corruption escapades that is why I strongly call on civilised SAns to vote anc out of power so we can do house cleaning and have all the corrupt locked up and we take their houses and sell them so we can recover our national money stolen from us. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
@ somaartakeit
You're starting to annoy me now - or is that your marinate perfume?
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, you just don't seem to get it. Just tell me, if a Zulu man rapes you, will you still be proud of him just because he is Zulu?
...................................................................................
Zulus are proud of their tribe, but it doesn't mean they are proud of each and every Zulu. 96% of black American voters voted for Obama, but it doesn't mean that same amount would vote for a black rapist. Zuma is not only a Zulu, but he has other things as well that Zulus are proud of him for. He understands politics, he has leadership qualities and he spent 10 years in prison for our freedom. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mapage
why should we keep on supporting motlanthe whose currently siding with the tenderpernuers. look now posts are no longer advertised in limpopo and people r loitering. what about their qualifications and families Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mapage you are only worried about tenderpreneuring against your enemies in Limpopo how many tenderpreneurign takes place in his own province? who was given tender to build his 245mil security? is it a guy from Limpopo? you see whilst ppl like you fight corruption conveniently you fail to realise that your actions contribute to what's politically wrong in this country, and in anycase Zuma is himself a corrupt so how is he going to have courage to fight against other corrupts? We are tired of your calls for hte anc to continue using our resources to fight political scores, Malema and the LImpopo lot is your problem not ours I dont' see why as a tax payer I am having to pay tax to have him subjudicated by Zuma camp, this is BS!!! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
SharpSharp
They can produce as many albums as they want, but that doesnt make him a good leader actually he is the worse ever produced by the ANC Report Abuse
Good descendants of Shaka kaSenzangakhona, stop wasting your breath and time with little minnows like somaartake it. She is a self-confessed bitter and jealous tribalist from the EC. Luckily she does not represent the majority view of the wonderful people from the EC. She feels naturally threatened by the mighty Zulus.
Zuma My President. Zuma My Struggle Hero. Come Mangaung Come....
Thatha Msholozi Thatha..... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makabayi you should not purpote yourself as speaking for and on behalf of Zulu nation cause most educated Zulu I interact with politically and socially are ASHAMED of Zuma most also believe that he raped Khozi cause they tell me he is that type of a character, and as these ppl are against any kind of human rights violation they don't think Zuma is a right leader for SA not even a 'Zulu Kingdom' often refered to here by other Zulu tribalists. Also Zuma is a not a leader but an opportunist and manipulator abusing his culture to siphon our tax to feather his harem and any self respecting persons Zulu or not will be against such a person, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Tra(th)
What do you mean 6mins?.. I thought v!agra lasted longer than 5 hours.. *That's what happens when you introduce cows to Ultramel*.. I blame Kenny Khunene
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,
umuncu wenamfazi ndini. udinga indoda to reduce your stress levels. uMkabayi kaJama ubeqinisile ngempela. ngingakusiza mina, namhlanje futhi. inamba yami ithi 0795676602.
-----------------------------------------
Sies do you think I want to be infected with aids? besides andilali no jwabelina mna ndilala nendoda ndo!!! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mapage
My intention to call for zuma for president is ' cause there is no leader to can flag us to good leadership. Uzuma is good however as a human being is having his mistakes. we mas learn to understand the strategic mission that uzuma is using. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Uncompromising
Those 2 idiots dancing with Zuma will have to answer a lot of question when the ANC collapses just like the National Party. Especially the fat one ! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mapage Zuma is manipulative, foolish, liar, and corrupt so how can you say he is good as a leader? You are right though there is no one in the anc with integrity or sound moral values and ethics who can lead this country hence many call for CHANGE!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
-Cl!ck-
Other than being disgusting,irritating,stupid and smelly, your actually quite okay - I'm sure your IQ level wouldn't register a thing what I just said to you hey?
@Uncompromising
Those 2 idiots dancing with Zuma will have to answer a lot of question when the ANC collapses just like the National Party. Especially the fat one !
---------------------------------------
LOVL I was also looking at the fat guy he sure doesn't look bright, but he like Mgwijikhwebu is prolly a paid puppet, what this fools don't seem to realise is that they are paid bribes with a fraction of what is actually theirs, the anc doesn't own the money it uses to buy puppets some of which are blogging here, when Malema and his friends were given the tenders in order to praise sing Zuma and his corrupt admin little did that little puppet know is that once he falls out with them the money will be taken, whereas if he campaigned for a right cause such as a school, clinic, roads, hospitals etc he'd have empowered millions of SAns who are now disenfranchised by the anc corruption,
If I was single I wouldn't date anc men they seem to lack in the way of thinking (and big on reckless sex and always threatening women on these blogs with sex if they have opposing views to them, they are like rapists) logically and intelligibly for them to think that Zuma is a leadership material show state of mental poverty, can you imagine what corrupted braincells they would pass on their offspring? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Doggmatix
Is this how he wants to win votes,by singing and dancing? The hypocrisy of the South African Democracy... Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
VhoMuofhe
Bunch of Zulu idiots, never vote for the ANC ever again in your lifetime as long as this Zulu idiot is at the helm of it. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Goat_Trash
Zanzibar is stunning today - lovely weather - pina colada soothing every scent in the body. What more can you ask for?
@ SH!T-FACES addressed by me today
Go f**k yourselves in the @ss with your thumbs until your nails break off!
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Makabayi you should not purpote yourself as speaking for and on behalf of Zulu nation cause most educated Zulu I interact with politically and socially are ASHAMED of Zuma most also believe that he raped Khozi cause they tell me he is that type of a character, and as these ppl are against any kind of human rights violation they don't think Zuma is a right leader for SA not even a 'Zulu Kingdom' often refered to here by other Zulu tribalists. Also Zuma is a not a leader but an opportunist and manipulator abusing his culture to siphon our tax to feather his harem and any self respecting persons Zulu or not will be against such a person,
........................................
Well, I'm educated and I know a lot of educated Zulu people who are proud of Zuma. Look, you are a Xhosa person, people will fake hate Zuma when they talk to you just to make you happy and not call them tribalists. I also do that when I'm with Sotho people here in PTA. I mean, numbers from KZN can just tell you the majority of Zulu people support him
Again, Zuma was never found guilty of rape by any court. He was accused and won the case. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,
umuncu wenamfazi ndini. udinga indoda to reduce your stress levels. uMkabayi kaJama ubeqinisile ngempela. ngingakusiza mina, namhlanje futhi. inamba yami ithi 0795676602.
....................
ha ha ha ha....Didn't I tell you?
Mapage
My intention to call for zuma for president is ' cause there is no leader to can flag us to good leadership. Uzuma is good however as a human being is having his mistakes. we mas learn to understand the strategic mission that uzuma is using.
Definitely not an Ayoba statement. Zuma's strategy ( if you have been in a coma Mapage ), is to rob us all and then we will forced to let him marry our sisters just to get monthly groceries. That is what the in-laws do mos !? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
VhoMuofhe
Bunch of Zulu idiots, never vote for the ANC ever again in your lifetime as long as this Zulu idiot is at the helm of it.
================================================================
MAVHELE,,,VAVAVUM,,,NAVY PERSON Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Makabayi
"Well, I'm educated and I know a lot of educated..." you? educated? LOVL you do have a wicked sense of humor.
Mkabayi-kaJama, Public Works have admitted that they have spent over R200 mil of our tax money on Zuma's home while the ministerial handbook only allows for R 100 000 for security upgrade. What more do you need? Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
UKUFA!
We must be the only democracy where the president was not elected by the tax payers. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tjo the plank thickens, please dear get someone to translate comment from Oldlady when you do you will realise that there are no accusation but facts which have been reported and argued here and on other platforms diligently, eish maar Angie and Blade naze nasenza nge OBE. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@UKUFA!
We must be the only democracy where the president was not elected by the tax payers.
------------------------------
I have no doubt in my mind that will change in the up coming elections, many SA (ie educated ones and well reasons and balanced) they don't want Zuma as president again, its only the corrupt within teh anc who are vouching for this corrupt buffoon. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - Please stop comparing JZ to Obama.
95% of black Americans voted Obama, not because he is black, but because he is a worthy president. Mitt Romney alienated black and hispanic voters during the elections with some of his gaffs.
But please, Obama is a worthy candidate, JZ is not. 95% of people didnt vote for Obama, because he is black, but because he is a worthy leader. In South Africa, fools vote for JZ, just because he is black.
And that is what you are trying to do. Have people support JZ, just because of his colour. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - "I mean, numbers from KZN can just tell you the majority of Zulu people support him"
And thats EXACTLY the point. Zulu folks (majority in the country), dont support JZ because of his competence. They support JZ, merely because he is a Zulu. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Sin and also in SA its a couple of thousand ppl who voted Zuma not majority blacks, majority blacks voted brand anc which they believed could be turned around to its former respectable self, now they realise that the thieves occupying it are engrossed into every sphere of it and are quickly infecting it with all that is bad. But if you judge by the commentary here an on other news outlets you will see that many even the previously die hard anc are now against it, so to say even assume that Zuma will build the anc is a joke of sad proportions,
I also its an attempt at insulting Obama to compare him with that corrupt philandering unable to read buffoon. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mapage
Look at Limpopo Department of Public Works, Education and Treasury on what is happening. how can a person who have done criminology head the department. do we think that continously so the department will keep on being underadministration. thats why i said second term for uzuma so as to eradicate the prevailing struggle of finance in limpopo. his intervention through the use of madonsela is required. why should the residance of limpopo suffer of these few minorities Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mapage so what all gov departments not ONLY limpopo are corrupted by Zuma it was corrupt of him to ask for the Dept of works (was it to give him money to build his Nkandla compound, the corrupt in other provinces learn from him cause as the leader he projects corrupt examples for his ministers and followers alike to follow.
wena you just want to divert and cause smokescreens, I have already told your anc cadre Makabayi and other gwijikwembu that you need brains to be able to divert effectively in yours and ZUma's case you have non therefore you are unmasked and exposed for pathetic liars and diversions that you are, you do not have a shred of dignity or self respect left to tell the truth even if its only once in your sorry existence. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Illuminated10111
The world says: "You have needs -- satisfy them. You have as much right as the rich and the mighty. Don't hesitate to satisfy your needs; indeed, expand your needs and demand more." This is the worldly doctrine of today. And they believe that this is freedom. The result for the rich is isolation and suicide, for the poor, envy and murder.”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
UKUFA!
===========================
IGAMA ELINJANI LELI
UZOFA NGEMPELA UMA UYISILIMA SON Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - Please stop comparing JZ to Obama.
95% of black Americans voted Obama, not because he is black, but because he is a worthy president. Mitt Romney alienated black and hispanic voters during the elections with some of his gaffs.
But please, Obama is a worthy candidate, JZ is not. 95% of people didnt vote for Obama, because he is black, but because he is a worthy leader. In South Africa, fools vote for JZ, just because he is black.
And that is what you are trying to do. Have people support JZ, just because of his colour.
..........................................
Well, it is all about pride, man. It is all about pride. Americans did it for pride and we are doing it for pride. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tjo the plank thickens, please dear get someone to translate comment from Oldlady when you do you will realise that there are no accusation but facts which have been reported and argued here and on other platforms diligently, eish maar Angie and Blade naze nasenza nge OBE.
...............................
Well, Zuma is not arrested. If these are facts, he should be in jail by now. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Rragwe
zulus cannot do anything good,the only thing they know is fight and dance
@somaartakeit,
I wish you could have given me a try first before jumping into wrong conclusions. I am definitely not jwabelin. But I have heard men with amajwabu kuthiwa amnandi. Uzame bo nawe sana.
I am laughting at the term though. You have just made my day. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, you're right, he should be in jail because those are the facts. Glad you're starting to see the light. Choose another Zulu if you feel it has to be a Zulu, but for pride's sake, make it a worthy one this time. I do believe your tribe has 1 000's of worthy men. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - "Well, it is all about pride, man. It is all about pride. Americans did it for pride and we are doing it for pride."
ROFLOL!!!
Are you actually proud of JZ?!
You are ignorant. Bottomline, and shouldnt be allowed to vote. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi the court could not take precise decision cause they knew that anc warlords who might themselves have been rapists whilst in exile or are still rapists now would have gone on a rampage cause really on the Kwezi rape case it was a clear cut case that a typical dominant males were correcting her for being a lesbian they thought it was their job to do so, like the ones who are threatening me with sex cause to them I talk too much, unfortunately for them its not possible to rape someone on the internet forum, wonders of the western magic now I am safe they can only threaten me and expose themselves as sex preditors that they are. Now to concl Zuma male supporters and those godzilla look 'n like in the anc wing intimidated the judge the courts failed the victim of violent crime but then Khwezi is not the only one violent crime victim who was failed by the courts of law in Sa that's why I say SAn women and children are not free from the rapists even the courts fail to protect the vulnerable, the only reason the courts are acting on Dewani case its cause the int'l community is following the case as the victim was from 1st world where human rights are observed and espoused not from some jungle country where a macho male can pick and grab a female from the pack he wishes to molest to prove his masculinity, jeesus SAn men sometimes you just disgust the hell out of me.
I don't get turned on by a men who keep mentions his penis in every sentence, its so creepy you anc males need to find other civlised pick up lines, you always look and talk to women that are strangers in a lustful manner, you are repulsive not sexy. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@gwijikwembu the last para on the above msg was to you. You and Makabayi need to stop putting too much emphasis on the genitalia just we are going to start thinking that's where your brains are located, Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KEKGATHETSE
Sshhhh... i would like to pray...” Baba..I am very, very, very sorry for having had voted for the ANC in the past.please forgive me. I repent.. amen’ Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
TheTrueWord
Baningi o Theleweni kule blog and they call themselves ANC comrades. Nxaaa! Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
s.cold
Rragwe
zulus cannot do anything good,the only thing they know is fight and dance
==================================================
MARETE Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
oldlady12
Somaartakeit, but it is where their brains are located and to top it off, when the front skin was cut off, gone was most of the brain too. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Msiphos00
Hope tomorrow will be another day and no more stories about Zuma
LOL, mistakes are the only real educators. Forgiven my friend. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
somaartakeit
@imfene
KEKGATHETSE
LOL, mistakes are the only real educators. Forgiven my friend.
------------------------
lol so you are the father he was praying to hence you are forgiving him? or you are the messenger?
mina the way I see it if he can learn from his mistakes then perhaps it was a good experience. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,
Point taken. Meant no offence nkosazane. Just joking with my intelligent African sister.
Ubusuku benzolo. Ayitholane futhi nakusasa. Bathi okungapheli kuyahlola. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
KEKGATHETSE
@imfeme
somaartakeit
lol i was not praying for me alone. you are also included. we were all duped Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
imfene
Yes, true. We all walk the same path.We all are part of the same ship. Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Thinawise
where will this end? Zuma please step down before you are pushed out.Politics are like a soccer team,if the management is tired of you,they just fire you.Mbeki was pushed out badly and you dont want something like tat to happen to you.
I do understand you wanted this presidency badly but you had 5 years already,give someone another chance.I remember Mandela in times like this.The president of this country is always on papers for all the wrong reasons, there is no difference between jz and kenny kunene....
I bet you Malema is very sore. He also wanted to follow in JZ's corrupt footsteps. He was already tasting the fruit of his useless labour. He knew exactly how the the Zuma cadres operated - hence he voted for him in Polokwane in 2007.
But he got way to greedy. He could not wait for Zuma to fill up at the trough - no he had to get there sooner. So he ended up in "exile" hahahaha
Now he is running to Bob Zanu. hahaha
But I guess Zuma knows that there are many more suckers in Mangaung. All he he has to do is to dazzle them with dance and the job is done. hahahah Report Abuse
Nov 27, 2012
Tango
Dark or Blue, he is coming back in Mangaung and in 2014 Report Abuse
If you feel a comment on the site does not meet our general comments guidelines (see below), you can report the comment.
Comments guidelines:
Comments should be relevant to the article or the thread of conversation
Comments should not make personal attacks
Comments should not use vulgar, discriminatory, obscene or abusive language
Once reported, we will review the complaint you have made and the reason for it.
We will then take any action we believe appropriate and is within our rights. Please refer to the Terms and Conditions which are agreed to when registering on Sowetan LIVE.
Comments
DjEp
We must just make peace with this Zuma will walk unopposed in Mangaung, not becuase there are no capable other leaders but a fear of political suicide. Zuma i wish you luck in Mangaung, but i dont know about 2014. Just dont forget "he who lives by the gun shall die by the gun.." the way Mbeki was recalled before his terms ends in office may apply to you later.Report Abuse
Ponko.Fontoyo
“When we look at leadership, we don’t look at how people dress, or how they look or how they sing and dance,” provincial chair Lebogang Maile told reporters in Johannesburg.Report Abuse
NICEBOOBS
Guys we are doomed with this anc leadershipReport Abuse
asaowe
Gudmorng Niceboobs, hope u slept well.Report Abuse
NICEBOOBS
Zuma has failed us long time agoReport Abuse
Bra_A
@ NICEBOOBSGuys we are doomed with this anc leadership
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just relax & do something positive. remember it starts with you.
Don't have unncessary headache. Third term is a possibility. 2024 is too far for you to worry. just do something productive for you and your family. from 2024 - 2039 will be Malema turn.... do not worry
Matthew 6:25 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?
Report Abuse
idiothater2
Zuma is taking the ANC down with him. The ANC is gone, but we can still save the country by not voting the ANC in 2014.People who nominated and are going to vote in mangaung are mayors,councilours,people working for state institutions e.t.c, so they are afraid to lose their jobs.they are not ordinary ANC members.Really how can you nominate someone with 787 criminal charges?come 2014 i'm voting for an altenative.Report Abuse
Stumtum
@Idiothater2 please note at my branch there are many ordinary members who are going to Mangs next month its nt about civil servants only. What you need to do is to just vote your party of choice do not use collective.@Bra A - hope you are kidding when you say Malema will take over in the next few years, by then he will be finished look at how fat he is..........lol
Report Abuse
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
@Bra_AYou are worrying me!
The tongue can bring death or life; those who love to talk will reap the consequences.(Proverbs 18:21)
Report Abuse
Mosquer
Ke nto e a e tsebago. Go ntšha motonoReport Abuse
Bra_A
@Stumtum@Bra A - hope you are kidding when you say Malema will take over in the next few years, by then he will be finished look at how fat he is..........lol
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jail term will make him fit not fat. After jail he will be a hero to many who will vote him to power.........
Report Abuse
golly459
What did we do to deserve this disgrace as President,if he wins he must count my vote to a new party not this stress.Report Abuse
TupacAmaru!
I don't like Zuma but what can I do?Kgalema is a bum...to this day he's scared to accept the nomination to take on Zuma in Mangaung. Such a coward cannot be a good leader. To think that this man Kgalema will bring heaven on earth, I must be out of my mind.
Report Abuse
moletsimatlala
Does not matter they can release another one next week but it will not buy him votes, after all e tla rekwa kwaMashu fela?Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." and that is voting for the ANC, especially under showerhead, so just vote for something else AZAPO, Christian what not, anything but the ANC, this might be the most sane thing to do at this juncture.Report Abuse
Charley4sure
Let the thugs and tribalist retain the incumbent in Mangaung so that we can voteagainst the ANC on the general elections. As much as we are supporters of ANC,
some of us we won’t vote for a moral bankrupt leader, out of my dead body.
Report Abuse
Bra_A
@Stumtum
Jail term might just make him fit & not fat.
Report Abuse
Shredder
Ke ntho a e tsebang, go jaiva. Mxm!!Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
I hear Zuma is kept in power to keep Julius out of it, whereas they were wiping each others @sses to get their respective power not so long ago. I thought he was supposed to make sure some ppl got toilets here and there, some schools, hospitals, jobs and sh1t, eish mara this compoundie wari fetsa jong.Report Abuse
Msiphos00
12 cows but I was not invited mnxmmmReport Abuse
GLAVA
in other countries leaders debate to be in parliament, but here in mzansi all you need to do is just sing.Report Abuse
guiliano
They want mandela to endorse corruption? they are crazy, mandela has a reason to be quiet about this current anc.Report Abuse
Pointman
We got Zuma camp or we got pro Malema camp. Either way got sh!t.No who paid for the 12 cows that got wh@cked for nothing.
Report Abuse
MophemeKoPitori
I ain't voting for jz, maybe if it's one idiot from the anc i'll vote.Report Abuse
Voetzek
Indeed this mampara will get 2nd term, problem with malema is that he previously said he will take arms and kill for zuma but now he sings a different tune,we are not yoyoReport Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
All the best Msholozi, the Zulu nation is fully behind you.Report Abuse
Lepile
Thabo, please bring the pipe lets smoke. this contry is on fire. This contry is on fire. by Alicia keysReport Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Lepile - Nah its the bloodhound gang:Lithuli house, Lithuli house, Lithuli house is on fire.
We dont need no water let the motherf***er buuurn.
Buuurn motherf***er.
Buuurn.
Report Abuse
Gusheshe3.25is
South Africa is going to the dogs because of the zulu nation s stupid and tribalist mentality of wanting to retain a scumbag of a president who only specialise in dancing. For gudnessake why dont they select Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma as the preferred presidential candidate she is also zulu mos rather impose the people this foerever dancing thing of theirs. Nxa. luckily i never voted for him and i will never vote for anc even if this man doesnt retain his positionReport Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Kgalema is a coward, but my feeling is he is not the only one in those Luthuli house corridors with his\her tail in their butts everytime JG's name is mentioned.Report Abuse
MommaC
Only in SA could you get a one man cabaret show as a president! Liza Minnelli eat your heart outReport Abuse
LeparaThePresident
THere only two options that would make the Zuma not become SA president. Firstly we know is a given that he has a second term. Good, let him deal with his ANC foes internally and maybe , only just will the ANC refocus not defocus as Mbaks used to say. Secondly, all the forces of change can make their point be felt by not voting ANC in 2014, maybe vote for madam Zille who will arrest him and put Nkandla for Auction, or the nearest party that has a probable chance is COPE. Its your call ABZ camp. Deny him the most paramount and profound job he vehemently so desire.Report Abuse
Balobedu
I'm realy suprised of songs instead of service delivery. Zuma must not dance, he must deliver the service. anc led government is nothing than shame. away with anc away. Amandla DA. Let's vote anc out by voting for DA. DA is the only party can can deliver serviceReport Abuse
Ratshufi
Zuma's interests are not for the countryReport Abuse
cocolucho
Well if singing and dancing are the only qualifications that one needs to become president, then I should be president of the world.Report Abuse
Deelock
President ya majaivana.Report Abuse
Hail
@ Gusheshe3.25is as long as Nkosazana is a she moes, they do not believe in woman leadership.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25isSouth Africa is going to the dogs because of the zulu nation s stupid and tribalist mentality of wanting to retain a scumbag of a president who only specialise in dancing. For gudnessake why dont they select Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma as the preferred presidential candidate she is also zulu mos rather impose the people this foerever dancing thing of theirs. Nxa. luckily i never voted for him and i will never vote for anc even if this man doesnt retain his position
............................................................................................
It has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
BalobeduI'm realy suprised of songs instead of service delivery. Zuma must not dance, he must deliver the service. anc led government is nothing than shame. away with anc away. Amandla DA. Let's vote anc out by voting for DA. DA is the only party can can deliver service
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I beg to differ with you Balobedu, DA is a viable party that can unseat the ANC only if some of us the ANC supporters and members can decide to vote DA. But with service delivery i am not sure.
Report Abuse
Lepile
@!#Sinudeity#!Lethuli house is a donation from shell. comrades call it shell house.
zuma is like a man smoking at the gas station, he is about to blow up.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
cocoluchoWell if singing and dancing are the only qualifications that one needs to become president, then I should be president of the world
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@coco, you mean u sika lekhekhe dear, wa roba letheka wena.. eish you could be my pres neh?
Report Abuse
NICEBOOBS
We are tired of JZ finish & klaar - he's a disgraceReport Abuse
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresidenthow are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
NICEBOOBSWe are tired of JZ finish & klaar - he's a disgrace
________________________________
@Nice, lets say we are tired of the ANC that seeks to hide behind apartheid legacy this aparthein that.
Report Abuse
Thinawise
This is the biggest mistake that the country has made by voting ANC with JZ as a president,but as we all know that mistakes can be corrected,let the delegates vote jz for the second term then the nation can decide to vote for ANC or another party.Zuma u have failed the nation big-time but I don't blame u,u dont even know about economy,values,leadership and etc.
lafa elihle kakhulu...
Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Msholozi hehehehehehehehehehe you're the star.Report Abuse
Rragwe
anc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be presidentReport Abuse
pumpumkila
dus idiot dusnt get enuf airtym for his songs now his trying the political route useless bimbo try knocking on Dj Tiras door and stop being a sucker for zumaville u wnt perform at the nkandla house warmingReport Abuse
swona
if Zuma wins in Mangaung, the ANC will be embarassed during elections, I am not giving my vote to zuma again!Report Abuse
Rragwe
let's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaIt has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi.
____________________________________________________________________________________
If I were Zulu I would take offense to this statement, phela this suggests that I'm incapable of thought, that all the stereotypes are indeed true, that we are not only tribalists but stupid indeed, It would mean I put pride above common sense. you are either indoctrinated or self medicating chief.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Rragweanc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be president
....................................
You sound angry like those people who started COPE. Maybe you should join COPE. Look, Zuma will lead for the next 6 years. You people from Zimpopo cross the border to Zim if you can't stand the heat here....
Report Abuse
GODESS
MosquerKe nto e a e tsebago. Go ntšha motono
*****************************************************************
Bwakakakaka * death by motono wa zuma*
Report Abuse
s.cold
**************mshini wami shini wami***************************singingAWULETHE UMSHINI WAMI
NGANITSHELA ZINJA
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi@ Mkabayi-kaJama
It has nothing to do with stupidity and tribalism, but it is only because of pride. We are proud to being led by one of our own. There is nothing wrong with that. Even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama and they said it was mainly because of pride. Google it and see.
Pride is a something that no one can take away and I'm happy that Zulus are proud of uMsholozi.
____________________________________________________________________________________
If I were Zulu I would take offense to this statement, phela this suggests that I'm incapable of thought, that all the stereotypes are indeed true, that we are not only tribalists but stupid indeed, It would mean I put pride above common sense. you are either indoctrinated or self medicating chief.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
Zuma all the way....It is becoming a nightmare for the likes of Gusheshe, NiceBoobs, et.al. Just live with it boys and girls. ANC's greatest son is coming back after Mangaung. Ins'ulting and disrespecting him makes us sympathise, love him even more, and be ready to defend him at all cost.
The more insults he gets, the more sympathy and supports comes his way. Not only from KZN ANC, but throughout the country.
Malema did a sterling job by insulting JZ at every opportunity, hence he singly-handedly co'erced even some of the d'ie-hard Zuma detractors and old comrades back to his corner. Hopefully Limpopo ANCYL, Lamola and Malema have learnt their lessons that politics of ins'ults, bul'lying and disrespect do not work in the mighty 100 year old movement.
Report Abuse
T.C.T
ZUMA must just go to jika majika and become a president after loosing in mangaungthose who ask why MOTLANTHE is noy diclosing were he stand are crazy DID zooma disclosed if he will take the 2nd term?
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Rragwelet's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014
..........................................................
Well, people will vote for ANC as a collective, not for Zuma.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
Report Abuse
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka JamaAllow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
@Hail
They perceive women as sex object and housewifes for them not to recognise Nkosazana as the best person for the presidency rather than his former husband.
Report Abuse
Ratshufi
@Mkabayi-kaJamaRragwe
anc members want zuma iregardles of being corupt ,frudulent,stupid,ilitrate,beach and embarasment to south africans, it is time that the people of south africa we stand and fight for this beloved country,let's do right thing,let's try other parties and see what they can do for south africans,anc has lost direction and intergrity especially under zuma and it seems like the anc members does not want to change that,lets punishi this anc in 2014 if zuma will still be president
....................................
You sound angry like those people who started COPE. Maybe you should join COPE. Look, Zuma will lead for the next 6 years. You people from Zimpopo cross the border to Zim if you can't stand the heat here....
_________________________________________________________________
You sound Zulu to me or are you a member of parliament?
Report Abuse
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresidentRatshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne.
Report Abuse
MommaC
Gusheshe3.25isWhat is with the tribal hatred? Did some zulu dude steal your girlfriend or something? Grow up.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
MgwijikhwebuZuma all the way....
It is becoming a nightmare for the likes of Gusheshe, NiceBoobs, et.al. Just live with it boys and girls. ANC's greatest son is coming back after Mangaung. Ins'ulting and disrespecting him makes us sympathise, love him even more, and be ready to defend him at all cost.
The more insults he gets, the more sympathy and supports comes his way. Not only from KZN ANC, but throughout the country.
Malema did a sterling job by insulting JZ at every opportunity, hence he singly-handedly co'erced even some of the d'ie-hard Zuma detractors and old comrades back to his corner. Hopefully Limpopo ANCYL, Lamola and Malema have learnt their lessons that politics of ins'ults, bul'lying and disrespect do not work in the mighty 100 year old movement.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@Mgwijikhwebu cdr, am sorry to differ with you, JZ is the worse ANC pres ever set on that ANC chair. He failed decimaly to just do the obvious when he had all the resource at his desposal. He should have been the best ANC of all time if he had implemented what was infront of him. Alas he employed hibilis and yellow communist who hide behind his double head and cast aspersion to all and saundry who dares to question him.
Report Abuse
Druza25
Lets all get on this gravy train while its still hot property. I'm thinking of being a stand up comedian, al lI have to do is rock up with Jacob cause he is the joke.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nupe, i more stronger than JZ when coming to women.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
Report Abuse
Zabaragast
When Zuma and his buddies don't pay the "artists", like they did the last bunch before PLK, we don't wanna read about it.Report Abuse
s.cold
Rragwelet's campaighn for no vote to zuma come 2014
======================================
UDAKIWE LOL!
Report Abuse
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresidentRatshufi
@LeparaThePresident
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident
how are you doing my friend were have u been hiding dude?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Am tough , stronger than Kgalema Motlhanthe.
___________________________________________________
And weaker than JZ when coming to women ne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nupe, i more stronger than JZ when coming to women.
________________________________________________________________
he is more focused on his wifes he forgot why he was put in that chair.......
Report Abuse
T.C.T
Mkabayi-kaJamaMotlanthe is Motswana my crazy dear!!!! get proper info before you embaras urslf further! why are you supporting ZUMA?pls provide valid reasons and describe him in one word
Report Abuse
Charley4sure
Mkabayi-kaJamaGusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
_____________________
You just proved your stupidity and ignorance, kgalema is not from Limpopo
nor is he even Pedi. We know that the people of your tribe have always
voted for one of their own regardless of merits and leadership qualities.
That is the reason why they reject Mandela in 1994 while rest of the country
and the world honoured him. Just take you pride and hang yourself, pride doesn’t
mean you must support corruption, greediness, selfishness, self enrichment:
that is just plain stupidity.
Report Abuse
spirro
whoever win in mangaung, it does not make a different, even if mothlanthe wins, they will also remove him the same way they want to remove zuma, in politics people use each other, politics is a dirty game.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@Rats, phela nna ga ke berekisi vusankonzi(viagra)Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
spirrowhoever win in mangaung, it does not make a different, even if mothlanthe wins, they will also remove him the same way they want to remove zuma, in politics people use each other, politics is a dirty game.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
spot on there
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
T.C.TMkabayi-kaJama
Motlanthe is Motswana my crazy dear!!!! get proper info before you embaras urslf further! why are you supporting ZUMA?pls provide valid reasons and describe him in one word
..........................................................
Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this....
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Charley4sureMkabayi-kaJama
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mbakayi ka Jama
Allow me to say zulus are stupid then cause u cant be proud of a failure . we need service delivery not some stupid dancing to useless songs and slaughtering of cattle for no reason.
...........................................
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
_____________________
You just proved your stupidity and ignorance, kgalema is not from Limpopo
nor is he even Pedi. We know that the people of your tribe have always
voted for one of their own regardless of merits and leadership qualities.
That is the reason why they reject Mandela in 1994 while rest of the country
and the world honoured him. Just take you pride and hang yourself, pride doesn’t
mean you must support corruption, greediness, selfishness, self enrichment:
that is just plain stupidity.
..................................................................
Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this....
Report Abuse
Ratshufi
@LeparaThePresident@Rats, phela nna ga ke berekisi vusankonzi(viagra)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
O berekisha eng ...........Cialis?
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaAre you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
Report Abuse
Gusheshe3.25is
@Mkabayi -kaJamaThose 100% people and not only pedi, tsonga, venda and other tribes including whites will vote for Motlanthe because of his moral capacity as a person and because they see him as the best man to be president better than Zuma and believe me people are not fed up with Zuma because he is a zulu bt that the man never delivered anything and the country is in shambles since he took over the presidency
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
all he is has to do is sing and dance and its okay by the majority to concl he is the best leader to push their issues forward? is there any wonder the rate of car guards black males who are hardly affording to sustain themselves and their families are growing? is there any wonder many black ppl still wait (in vain) for a promised better life for all?So sad that our struggle against apartheid has come to just a song and dance.
I call on black SAns voting for this song dance to please take stock of their lives, personally communally and otherwise to see if there is any improvement ito economic and social empowerment, growth of black middle class, when majority can say yes to these then we know we are on the right track when we living standards of the voters have been improved, all those voting for this song and dance must please try to see beyond superficialism such as singing and dancing, since when does this help create jobs? better life, reasonable living standards? or we are satisfied with a president who can only sing and dance and use public resources for himself and his family and pals? is this what our struggle has come to?
Report Abuse
Ratshufi
@KeRataBasadi@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
________________________________________________________________
And half of the time Obama makes his spechees without reading
Report Abuse
TLOU-LETEBELE
Seriously not only zuma have dissapoint nor have failed us but the anc, people we are tired and gaaatvol with all this nonsense promise we will deliver and then wot Zille i still think u can do better than these bunch of idiots.T Mbheki is still my PresidentWhatch the space Anc, DA is cuming to jozi and when they do they gonna fucken rule the country because u guys are fucken greedy u only enriching ur all self and dont even think of the poor people that have put u all in power.
Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
ANC branches and delegates should be allowed to pronounce on the issue of leadership without interference from some of these myopic and visionless artists who seem to only care about vested interests. It is also important for Gwede Mantashe to show leadership by warning and condemning these musical groups from interfering in internal matters of the ANC. As ANC members we have to condemn all these foreign tendencies which are highly divisive and are not subject to ANC discipline. One would ask whether these songs can pass the requirements of the ANC's Through The Eye of the Needle Document. If anything, the purpose of this project is to stampede ANC members into supporting Jacob Zuma whether he is qualified to lead the ANC or not.It is important for the "forces of change" not to be demoralised or give up because the outcome of Mangaung is going to be very close. While the ANC in KZN is behind Jacob Zuma, there is plenty of support for change in provinces such as Limpopo, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape, North-West and Gauteng. The leadership of the ANC is not only determined by an arrogant KZN ANC but by all members of the ANC. And again the leadership of the ANC is not determined by Zuma's nephews and nieces, some of who are going to Mangaung as delegates. Cde Kgalema Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC and a man of integrity. When he saw his own supporters wearing t-shirts saying "Kgalema for President" he scolded them but that is not what we hear from Jacob Zuma when his own supporters are misbehaving. Instead Jacob Zuma encourages a belligenrent and ill-disciplined MKMVA to defend the ANC, and we know what that means. Motlanthe has support in Mpumalanga and Freistata, in the face intimidation and dirty tricks. The ANC has to be saved from embrassment. Jacob Zuma has only been president of the country for three years and R250m of taxpayers' money has already been spent on his Nkandla homestead. If this trend continues by the end of his second term (if he is re-elected) close to a R1bn would have been spent on his private residence. This amount exludes the other expenditure around Nkandla. The expenditure on Zuma's private residence is obviously illegal and also sets a wrong precedent for future presidents. It is time for the Public Protector to have a serious investigation into how Zuma's private residence was declared a National Key Point without the knowledge of the former Minister of Defence Lindiwe Sisulu, who is the only person authorised by law to declare National Key Points. The Public Protector should also investigate how R250m is spent on a private residence when the Handbook clearly says no more than R100 000. Some of us do care about these things. It cannot be that when many of our people are living in grinding and abject poverty, we have so much of taxpayers' money being wasted on the president's private residence. Just over weekend I visited a public hospital, built during the apartheid era. It looked like the hospital has never been painted since 1994. The beds and equipment very old, with hospital workers looking after patients under very difficult circumstances. And yet on the other hand R250m is being spent on Zuma's private residence. And a song and dance are supposed to make us forget all these. There is no way we as politically discerning ANC members can be fooled by a song and dance.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
isende lami.By that I greet you all.
Report Abuse
ThirdEye
This man is here to stay. Zweli Mkhize said something during the weekend, he said let me summarise for the media, Zuma is coming back.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Are you trying to tell us that 96% of black American voters are incapable of thinking and they are stupid of voting for Obama? Are you saying they are racist?
__________________________________________________________________________________
1st of all you cannot be seriously comparing Zuma to Obama that is in itself a joke of epic proportions, Obama can read. The majority race in America is white and any president needs the white vote to occupy a presidential seat in America, so it is therefore unlikely that droves of white ppl voted Obama in simply because he is black or coloured or whatever you want to call him. Another thing even if black americans voted him in because of his race, it would mean that they have been inspired by the man, that in a position that has been traditionally reserved for white ppl a man of colour can get given an opportunity, Its pride yes, but its justified, pls justify yours atleast.
...........................................................................
Well, you said nothing there. It is only insults. Try me again...
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJamaCharley4sure
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Well, he belongs to one of baSotho groups, whether Pedi or Tswana. There is nothing wrong with that. And it is no secrete that Limpopo people and a portion of Gauteng people will back him based on the tribal lines. Why? Because they are proud of one of their own. Let us stop denying this.... "
Why would any right thinking person support a mediocre leader just cause he is the same tribe/colour as him? its foolishness behind supporting a destructive (for our country) person such as Zuma, the gov is falling to pieces since the singing dancing queen came to presidency, how can this be admired or how can anyone be inspired by the fact that there has been little to NON change in the lives of the majority black SAns as promised by the anc? If you don't believe me look at the rate the car guards are growing, how are these males supposed to be able to support and sustain their families and provide their children with better opportunities or is this a tax payer's burden to provide roof/medicals/clothing/education for these children born from this environment? I was so heart broken whilst on holiday seeing the whole family begging on the side of the side of the road, that is husband wife carrying an infant, this child is doomed to have a lifestyle like his/her parents, have our standards as a nation really gotten this low?
Black ppl need to guard against supporting leaders on the basis of tribe and colour, oppression knows not boundries, its oppression of some sort when African gov don't create environments that helps to develop African children, like us our children will be economic underdogs, is thsi really why so many died for this so called freedom? freedom to move from previous homeland and build a shack in Joeburg or continue to be an economic migrant? just what hte hell is wrong with this mindset of black ppl? why can't we strive for best leaders who do not reduce us into charity cases?
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@progressive African Democrat, you should have read the sunday independent, there was this artcle by a woman called N Gasa, she mentioned all this forms of un-ANC tendecies including these songs, the words the ANC cadre used like counter-revolutionary, shoot to k1ll. She said the worsed thing the ANC of today missed is the CONTEXT to the songs, to the words they used.She even gave a simple eg, of saying : can you go to a funeral and make an alulation like llililili" She said it is the kleadership of the ANC that encourage this king of behavoiur. I think you should find the paper and read it.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
ThirdEyeThis man is here to stay. Zweli Mkhize said something during the weekend, he said let me summarise for the media, Zuma is coming back
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@ThirdEye, whether JZ is coming or going is in material, the core intrinsic value that is needed after mangaung is whether the ANC has re-new itself or is going to implode. we don't care about individual people, the organizationa renewal is of paramount key.
Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.Report Abuse
Laqasha
@somaartakeitYou are a voice of reason. We have to clone you, I insist.
Report Abuse
babyfats
zuma pls jst step down now aaaaaaayyyyyyyy.......... we had enough nw hlala phansi plzzzzzzzzzzz tuuuu haiiiiReport Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,Zuma has not even finished his term, he has been in power for about three and half years. How can you then judge him so soon? Is that fair? Have you forgotten that there are significant achievements he has made over the very same short period?
You seem to suffer from seelective amnesia, and yet you expected to be taken serious.
Zuma detractors and ha'ters conveniently forget that counterforces such as the ANCYL (especially under Malema) became permanent distracting figures and irr'itants to the ANC leadership and the ANC-led government.
They effectively wanted to dictate the agenda, and call the shorts on the course the country had to take while they thought of themselves as the untouchables.
Who can forget about their constant bic'kering over Libya, SA's "declining" influence on the continent and global stage? Their constant tau'nting, swipes and th'reats to Mantashe (whom they used to refer to as the outgoing SG)? Their politics of bul'lying when they co'erced the ANC to start the debate on nationalisation.
In addition to the ANCYL's er'ratic behaviour, Msholozi had to deal with serious divisions and factionalism within the ANC, and manage the after-effects of the formation of COPE. The world economic melt down further compounded Zuma's list of problems as it posed a direct threat to our own economy. Service delivery protests spiralled out of control immediately after JZ assumed reign.
In short, Zuma had all the work cut out for him, and only a super human could effectively manage to succesfully keep everything tightly under control. Zuma did to the best of his ability against all odds.
Thabo Mbeki and Mandela never faced any serious form of internal ANC re'volt that made it almost impossible to effectively lead the organisation. Hence his detractors cite his lack of decisive leadership forgetting the prevailing and testing conditions he led the movement under.
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Illuminated10111 and when the anc starts changing constitution such to control press freedom, control justice system, as they are already controlling the SABC SAns who fought for this freedom (if I can call it that) should really start evaluating their options, such if it comes to that, which country will I emigrate to? which country will I go to so seek asylum? Do I have enough/right skills to sustain myself in a new country? ask Zimbabweans and all other refugees that are currently residing in SA if you don't believe me, the anc regime has already started using police fire power against the citizens, have you guys not seen the bigger picture yet?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Laqasha my friend, you know when you have traveled the world and have ability to compare notes you are bound to see that what we get from the anc regime which is the most expensive regime in the world when you have to take into account stolen monies, and private security for president and his family, you will know that the anc is selling us a cat in the sack, we deserve better and we must never lose a moment but continue to strive till our country is lead in the best possible way, for our dignity and that of our children.These missing gov monies your children are going to have to fork out for it. is that fair to burden them with a debt which was not used to equip them with skills which will help them sustain themselves economically and otherwise?
We as black SAns owe it to ourselves and our children to speak ONLY the truth to power cause that's the ONLY thing that will really set us free. we can't support leaders on anything else either than MERIT cause that is the ONLY way we will sustain this country.
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mgwijikhwebu@LeparaThePresident,
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK HERE WENA, UMSHOWERLOZI LO WAKHO HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH US AND IS NOT DOING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OF A PRESIDENT, THEREFORE WE ARE ON HIS CASE, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING US TO LEAVE HIM ALONE, IF WE WERE NOT FORKING OUT FOR HIS LUXURY AND THE HONOUR OF HAVING TO BE A PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO/SAY TO THIS MAJAYVANA OF A SO CALLED PRESIDENT. TILL HE DOES RIGHT BY US, ONLY THEN WE WILL GIVE HIM A BREAK BUT AS THINGS STANDS HE HAS NO ABILITY, SO THE BEST POSSIBILITY IS FOR HIM TO STAND DOWN, END OF THE STORY.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
KeRataBasadi@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
----------------------------------------
LOVL boy you are on the roll today:-) *winksing*
Report Abuse
BlackSeed
Some of these articles will continue to embrace Zuma, even in mockery. What Media fail to understand is that their condemnation of Zuma will continue to elevate him to high office.This emotional reporting is similar to a married spouse who cheats because the other spouse did, foolish ek se.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@somaartakeitYou have already said what I wanted to say. I can't for the life of me, understand the logic for the call for this guy's return.He is a disaster par excellence.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
@somaartakeit...Go get yourself some sex, you sex starved woman. You always come here with your stress smelly comments.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@BlackSeed the media is doing its job okay? that is, update us on the latest of scandals the president is involved with, dancing and singing whilst the country is burning the media has a duty to the citizens to inform us of such occurance so we can be informed, you can not now blame the media if the president fails to be proper and the media reports on said impropriety, for now we still have press freedom in this country, this is what many fallen struggle heroes died for, so please let us......../Report Abuse
Laqasha
@somaartakeitWe are big in tribalism, we favour one of our own at all costs.
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@Mgwijikhwebu, cdr you missed my point, my was, JZ had all the resources that would necessitate him to perform his duty without any hindress. The revolt is a non starter and ANCYL is just a bunch ingrades youthfull baffoons who cannot even understand the word " Executive is in the meeting we will see we attend your needs in due course". THe propblem with all JZ camp site is that, everyone who seeks to differ with JZ 's operational procedures both in goverment or ANC level is painted Malema/forces of change. I see no need to equate any difference to ABZ. I speak on behalf of myself and some of senss seeking citizens of SA and ANC memebers who do not condone Malema?ABZ faction. Zuma failed course he tried to pleases all people at the same time. Finish en klaar. Now is the stupid thing called Nkandlagate.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJama@somaartakeit...Go get yourself some sex, you sex starved woman. You always come here with your stress smelly comments.
------------------------------------
so typically anc cadre mentality everything has to come to lewd sex, do you also rinse aids off in the shower like your president? btw this is a public forum, not anc forum so please try to keep your language clean, ie with vulgarity and sexual innuendos I know that sex is the anc pet subject/activity if one has to judge by antics of your president, so please spear rest of us the filth.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJamaThe lady is raising relevant points and you respond with insults. mmhh, what poor education can do to a person!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Laqasha@somaartakeit
We are big in tribalism, we favour one of our own at all costs.
-------------------------------------------------
So then look where we are as a race compared to other races in the world.
Report Abuse
moisa
SONG OR NO SONG, PRAISE OR INSULT. WE WILL SPEAK WITH OUR VOTES IN MANGAUNG AND HONOURABLE KGALEMA MOTLANTHE SHALL BECOME THE PEOPLE'S PRESIDENT. HE IS THE ONLY MAN WHO KNOWS THE CONSTITUTION OF ANC HENCE HE IS QUIET SO THE PEOPLE CAN DO THE TALKING. AFTER ALL, LEADERS DOES NOT ELECT THEMSELVES. WE ELECT THEMReport Abuse
Mashashane
YHAA Zuma obusy left rite nd corner mara a ka se lo;e xem. Kgalema for presidentReport Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@Mkabayi kaJama,I have on numerous occasions explained why people of KZN will always support JZ. But as always it fell on deaf ears.
The very same 'angels' who are busy ins'ulting Zulus and calling them stu'pid and ignorant are actually more stu'pid, ignorant and tri'balist than Zulus could ever be. Zulus are just proud people and they will never be apologetic about it. It is their democratic right.
KZN people in general sympathise with JZ simply b'cos he is one of their own. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Zuma being one of their means ANC KZN will protect at all cost against sc'avengers within the ANC leadership and SA media. We are also here to protect him against the bulk load of ha'ting ly'nch mob on sites such as this one.
People of Limpopo bussed an'gry youths all the way to Luthuli house to support Malema despite his err'atic behaviors and all the controversies around him. They caused ch'aos and may'hem and emb'arrased the ANC in the manner never seen before. But who can blame them 'cos they had come to defend one of their own? Would you then call this Limpopo youth tr'ibalists for their loyalty and defending their own son? I doubt.
Save yourself, do not bother justifying why Zulus are supportive of Zuma. Zulus should never be apologetic about it. Zuma may have wea'knesses and may have done some damage to the ANC, but that should not give permission to his ha'ters and detractors to cru'cify him in the manner they have. Really, why so much hat'red and bit'terness?
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha@Mkabayi-kaJama
The lady is raising relevant points and you respond with insults. mmhh, what poor education can do to a person!
..........................................................................
ha ha ha....Well, I doing my phd, but still it does not change the fact that she is sexual frastrated and you are trying to fcuk her. Since yesterday, you have been backing her silly stress smelly comments. Ask her out sishimane.
Report Abuse
Msiphos00
Illuminated10111zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.
==================================================
They all started like that making promises and look now we can put you there but when you start messing up tell us what to do actually we should draw up a contract first.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Mgwijikhwebu@Mkabayi kaJama,
I have on numerous occasions explained why people of KZN will always support JZ. But as always it fell on deaf ears.
The very same 'angels' who are busy ins'ulting Zulus and calling them stu'pid and ignorant are actually more stu'pid, ignorant and tri'balist than Zulus could ever be. Zulus are just proud people and they will never be apologetic about it. It is their democratic right.
KZN people in general sympathise with JZ simply b'cos he is one of their own. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Zuma being one of their means ANC KZN will protect at all cost against sc'avengers within the ANC leadership and SA media. We are also here to protect him against the bulk load of ha'ting ly'nch mob on sites such as this one.
People of Limpopo bussed an'gry youths all the way to Luthuli house to support Malema despite his err'atic behaviors and all the controversies around him. They caused ch'aos and may'hem and emb'arrased the ANC in the manner never seen before. But who can blame them 'cos they had come to defend one of their own? Would you then call this Limpopo youth tr'ibalists for their loyalty and defending their own son? I doubt.
Save yourself, do not bother justifying why Zulus are supportive of Zuma. Zulus should never be apologetic about it. Zuma may have wea'knesses and may have done some damage to the ANC, but that should not give permission to his ha'ters and detractors to cru'cify him in the manner they have. Really, why so much hat'red and bit'terness?
...........................................................
My point exactly. I wish they read your comment...
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Moisa LOVL Zuma followers have started buying votes, with anc its NEVER about the merit its always about who can be bribed and corrupted, if I were you anc followers I would be starting to looking for proper leaders who have ability to take your issues forward not the sad joke you currently have as leaders, cause with this guys SA is gonna come to a grinding halt in everything, they have no clue nor plan and no vision, if they had they'd have implemented it by now. Unfortunately for the majority time is on their side, as we see many that are jobless/hopeless/car guarding I mean how can one sustain a family with income of a car guard? Others carry boys, that means carrying shoppers parcels for a meager change, is this really what it means to be free for the majority who continue to vote for this? this is the highest standards majority set for themselves?Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@Lepara ThePresidentI read Nomboniso 's articles in the Sunday Independent (this Sunday and the previous Sunday) but you know ofcourse that Nomboniso is a well-seasoned and disciplined cadre who can think clearly, coherently and logically compared to some members of the ANC Women's League. Dear Comrade! Has the ANC Women's League been bewitched that they cannot think logically and coherently? What a sad public spectacle! The ANC Women's League is really an embarassment. Some of them seem to think that they will get lucky with Zuma. "Mosholozi, send your bodyguards to come and fetch me!". That seem to be the ANC Women's League's anthem.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJamaWhy insult when u disagree?
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@PAD the anc's women wing is not bewitched its a show case of electing leaders without merit, cause many who have lead the women wing have been given those position because their husbands held powerful position within the anc, its the same thing in hte gov, most female ministers are not in those portfolio on merit there are there on VitB and that is the major destruction in the whole of Africa, ie patriarchy politics, question is how long will Africans realise that this system doesn't work and do away with it and give our continent a chance to achieve something behind its name besides poverty, genocide, refugees, conflicts etc? How should other nations respect us or even take us serious?Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJamaI am actually happily married with two kids.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Laqasha@Mkabayi-kaJama
Why insult when u disagree?
---------------------------
the anc cadres aren't known to have ability to debate with due deligence we often read about how hte police were called in ALL their meetings or whatever they call it, cause there was a brawl/fight I read few weeks ago that Malema was injured in a fight during a meeting, we should be grateful that this discussion is taking place on line, cause these anc cadres would now be throwing about chairs to deter opponents from discussing facts/issues which are a affecting us. I guess its that little issue of lack of knowleadge due to little and or no education. In isiXhosa we say ulwazi oluncinane luyingozi.
Report Abuse
Thinawise
The good thing about all of this is that there will be a new party that willl be formed after zuma being voted for the 2nd term,interesting enough is that the ANC is being divided little by little and DA are watching the space,.It was cope now there is another party coming soon.atleast during 2014 DA will stand a chance of taking over if this party will be formed...
As a zulu,im being disgusted with this guy who continues to disappoint our country in every way.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaIf you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJamaKeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process.
Report Abuse
imfene
MgwijikhwebuThe Nationalist party of the last century used to say that the tribes would not be able to get on together. Sadly looks like they may have been right. ....or not?
Report Abuse
moisa
@somaartakeitEnof said my brother. but its about time people use their brains when voting for leaders. there is nothing inspiring about JZ. He is full of scandals, ever since his turn in tyhe office. i was inspired by American elections, where ppl vote leaders based on merits and since then i vowed that am gonna use my vote wisely. nomatter how small my vote is, am gonna use in a way that i will be able to xplain when my grand children ask me. how will i jusify voting for a man who allow R250mill house to be build on he home while peopl he leads or mislead suffer so much. a man who sleep with HIV+ woman without a condom in a society overwelmd by dis disease. a man who impregnant his friend's daughter while he has four wives. i appeal to all SA to use their votes carefully and responsibly and not to vote with their egos or emmosions.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Laqasha@ Mkabayi-kaJama
If you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
------------------------------------------
@Laqasha Mkabayi is right he has PHD and is practicing it, PHD (PULL HIM/HER DOWN) syndrome, right now he is busy trying to pull down this discussion into a war of words, also look at him and see how zuma inspires his followers, he likes them with mshini wam so they can overpower opponents with physical strength not mental strength.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeitMkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process.
........................................
Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved.
Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
The problem with our leaders is that they are confusing Power with Leadership, they want to get rich fast they want to control everything and evry1, thus taking them away from the main goal(bringing about change in the country , stabilizing the economy, equal opportunities for all, bridging the gaps of racial segregation and tribalism and the list is endless), I don’t see the reason why-especially to those that felt the wrath of Apartheid- they are still oppressing people making promises they can’t keep and worst of all fighting amongst themselves, it shows how weak they are! It only shows that the reason why they were fighting for freedom was only to enrich themselves (more money more power)!POWER is frequently defined as the ability to influence the behavior of others with or without resistance. The term authority is often used for power perceived as legitimate by the social structure. Power can be seen as evil or unjust..
LEADERSHIP -Integrity, Dedication, Magnanimity, humility, Openness, Creativity, Fairness, Assertiveness ,sense of humor
and yes the Power is the quality possessed by our Politicians and sumone out there NEEDS to teach them leadership skills, and then maybe just maybe we can see change in our country!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Thinawise as long as said new party is able to be FOCUSED on the issues not on squabbles with the anc, the anc must be left to sort itself out, Cope made a biggest mistake of making their agenda about the anc, they forgot about their mandate, they forgot to educate their followers and potentials about how their policies will help stir SA on the right path,Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeitLaqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
If you are doing phd, them I am a Nobel laureate.
------------------------------------------
@Laqasha Mkabayi is right he has PHD and is practicing it, PHD (PULL HIM/HER DOWN) syndrome, right now he is busy trying to pull down this discussion into a war of words, also look at him and see how zuma inspires his followers, he likes them with mshini wam so they can overpower opponents with physical strength not mental strength.
............................................
Atleast I get some action at night. Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJamasomaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved" is this what you obtained your phd in? boy or whatever you are you are stupid its painful just to watch and read your messages, how should ppl respect you?
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Laqasha@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeitMkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved" is this what you obtained your phd in? boy or whatever you are you are stupid its painful just to watch and read your messages, how should ppl respect you?
......................................
Look between your legs, you will see a starved stupid.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJamaOh, I see. So, you just want to be bonked at night and then come here and insult people when you disagree with them and your life is complete?
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamasomaartakeit
Laqasha
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Atleast I get some action at night. Go lose some of those fluids, sister. You are sex starved"
A d!ck is really wasted on a fool like you, its like a giving a gun a gun to a retard, can you imagine the damage in teh case of penis dangling fools like you our country has been reduced into a rape capital of hte world, you must be the sex beast they are warning us against.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ somaartakeitMkabayi-kaJama
KeRataBasadi
@ Mkabayi-kaJama
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein. He must have met you.
........................................................................
You believe in anything that white people tell you. You are a stupid. Think for yourself for a change and come up with your own quotes.....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The are also black ppl who have freed themselves from mental slavery ie serving their leaders, who speak out against corruption which is the major anc sport, and a sport which only serve to destruct our country and her ppl. It so happen that a quote used by KeRata was by a white leader it is still valid, please start playing the ball already then we don't have to address your small mind and wasting time in the process.
__________________________________________________________________________________
Somaar, MKJ is clearly a fool, do not engage her further, she is the quality of supporter Zuma attracts and honestly needs to stay in power, my opinion is that we have too many of such ppl, and if Angie gets her way there will be a lot more in the future.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJamaYou are a distraction, go home and sleep.
Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
Zuma should just join 999 records as a dancer...........period.His lack of political understanding is busy failing everyone in South Africa.
Report Abuse
Is-it-just-me???
comrade Mkabayi your views are foreign to the ANC.I think you will be more comfortable in Inkatha .
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Mkabayi-kaJamaLaqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while.
__________________________________________________________________________________
Ma-Khumalo is that you or is MaNtuli or maybe the other Nkandla-boy bunnies hah ?
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamaThis very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
----------------------------------
When you run out of something to add in a debate you resort to lies, but I am not going to defend my position to you cause anyone with ability to read is aware what my stance is iro of the ppl you said I defended you might have missed those comments due to your inability to READ with COMPREHENSION, you have a severe case of OBE thank your anti Angie Motshekga and your uncle Blade when you see them, cause they've managed to condemn you and your brethren into a life of being illiterates who will only be given jobs out of favour and/or as a quota appointment on your own you are nothing, you prolly now work for the gov as a fool, as there are many of your ilk whose foolishness derails service delivery. When you throw stones you must know how to handle the response I don't suffer fools like you instead I will put you in your place, ie flush you down the toilet verbally.
Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJamaThis very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I beg to differ in this case. The comrades you've mentioned above never brought South Africa to its knees like msholozi is. This is not the issue of tribe or something out of this world - Zuma is an illitrate who cannot lead from the front and yet he regards himself as a leader of note.
Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Since it is clear that Gwede Mantashe is quiet about these songs which promote factionalism in the ANC, ANC branches should officially come out and condemn these songs. While it is clear that KZN is going to back Jacob Zuma, provinces such as Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West are going to back Kgalema Motlanthe. Once Kgalema Motlanthe accepts nomination and informs the Electoral Commission about it, it is time to lobby all the delegates in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape and North-West to be 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe and defeat the project of tribalism from KZN. It is really time to isolate KZN because of its arrogance and tribal chauvinism. Let's do to them what we did at the Policy Conference. Any KZN delegate who approaches the other delegates should be asked whether he or she is aware of Nkandla, whether they are Zuma's nephew or niece, or whether they have any ties to Nkandla in anyway. It is time to isolate KZN with its tribalism and contniue to build a non-racial and non-tribalist organisation. We cannot afford to turn the entire ANC into an Inkatha outfit. Let's lobby all delegates to do the right thing and get 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe. Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC, and will be able to unite the ANC and take the country forward after Mangaung.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamaLaqasha
@Mkabayi-kaJama
I am actually happily married with two kids.
......................................
Well, you are lying. You have been trying to get to somaartakeit panties since yesterday. She disperately need your help. Believe you me, I am a woman and I know if a woman has not get some for a while.
-------------------------------------
Mkabayi you should not confuse being a female with being a woman, when you get education you will be able to spot the difference, in the meantime, go do your job as a concubine to the anc tenderpreneurs don't forget to check your hiv status skiski ndini.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@KeRataBasadiPray, tell, how did u reach such a conclusion? Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion.
Report Abuse
silverbullet
there we go again, another idiot claiming to be educated, when its evidently clear that she is lying, if Mkabayi ka Jama was honestly doing a PHD then she would be able to put forward an intelligent argument in support of her stance, not this primitive hogwash about Zuma being from KZN< pride nonsense, how can a learbed person have pride in a failure, you should be ashamed. you are the bunch that actually give people the impression that Zulus are stupid,Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Nwanawamukalaha zuma is not alone in bringing this country to its knees the entire anc has to take the blame for it since they tell us they are a 'collective'.As for Winnie her being absent in her portfolio and parly is not helping this country I also blame anc presidents who made her a minister when she is too busy to be fulfill her duties in accordance with her ministerial contract. Again this problem of giving position of power to women not on merit only because their husband are influential and powerful within the anc is a problem, we need capable women leaders who will take the process forward, Winnie was good for the struggle but as a minister I yet to see results iro her performance.
And has black ppl who fought against apartheid we must not be afraid to speak truth to power cause not speaking up against power abuse is contributing to the destruction of our country. We demand accountability from our leaders nothing less.
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Laqasha@KeRataBasadi
Pray, tell, how did u reach such a conclusion? Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion
_________________________________________________________________________________
Which one?
Report Abuse
Mellow
Some ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!@Somaartakeit Preach on galfrnd preach on and go easy on Mkabayi-whatever its username is you no match for it but then BLIND LOAYALTY tends to turn ppl into zombiezzzzzz
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@KeRataBasadiThat I want to do somaartakeit? he?
Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
ProgressiveAfricanDemocratSince it is clear that Gwede Mantashe is quiet about these songs which promote factionalism in the ANC, ANC branches should officially come out and condemn these songs. While it is clear that KZN is going to back Jacob Zuma, provinces such as Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West are going to back Kgalema Motlanthe. Once Kgalema Motlanthe accepts nomination and informs the Electoral Commission about it, it is time to lobby all the delegates in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape and North-West to be 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe and defeat the project of tribalism from KZN. It is really time to isolate KZN because of its arrogance and tribal chauvinism. Let's do to them what we did at the Policy Conference. Any KZN delegate who approaches the other delegates should be asked whether he or she is aware of Nkandla, whether they are Zuma's nephew or niece, or whether they have any ties to Nkandla in anyway. It is time to isolate KZN with its tribalism and contniue to build a non-racial and non-tribalist organisation. We cannot afford to turn the entire ANC into an Inkatha outfit. Let's lobby all delegates to do the right thing and get 100% behind Kgalema Motlanthe. Motlanthe is a disciplined member of the ANC, and will be able to unite the ANC and take the country forward after Mangaung
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
True unity is needed in ANC at all costs. I am of the opinion that even if Motlanthe can win, there won't be any unity, the faction lines will deepens to an extend that more k1llings in branches will emanates. And worse, Motlanthe might also bring back the lunatic idiotic motormouth Julius Malema. And with that, they ANCwill implode and KZN which you seek to isolate might end up being the province that projects itself as the true ANC. The thing with KZN is, tthey lobby for JZ, Gwede,Cyril,Zweli,Mbete.Duarte. I guess apart from Cyril and Duarte, they are all Zuluspeaking people the other candidates.Where is geographical representativity.
Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MellowSome ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!
============================================
Why cannt you just relocate and stop preaching since this country doesnt need people like you?
Report Abuse
s.cold
somaartakeitMgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK HERE WENA, UMSHOWERLOZI LO WAKHO HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH US AND IS NOT DOING ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OF A PRESIDENT, THEREFORE WE ARE ON HIS CASE, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING US TO LEAVE HIM ALONE, IF WE WERE NOT FORKING OUT FOR HIS LUXURY AND THE HONOUR OF HAVING TO BE A PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO/SAY TO THIS MAJAYVANA OF A SO CALLED PRESIDENT. TILL HE DOES RIGHT BY US, ONLY THEN WE WILL GIVE HIM A BREAK BUT AS THINGS STANDS HE HAS NO ABILITY, SO THE BEST POSSIBILITY IS FOR HIM TO STAND DOWN, END OF THE STORY.
============================================================================
in your dreams DOTI
Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
somaartakeit@Nwanawamukalaha zuma is not alone in bringing this country to its knees the entire anc has to take the blame for it since they tell us they are a 'collective'.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Correct. But since well he's the one leading the pack, he's worth mentioning everytime. POC; I beg to differ regarding blaming the entire ANC. The fact that some ANC members in parly and Luthuli House are dissatisfied shows that Msholozi has brought foreign tendencies within the ruling party and ought to be ousted. If parly is granted a golden opportunity to discuss "the vote of no confidence", Zuma will be out.
Report Abuse
T.C.T
ProgressiveAfricanDemocratcomrade keep on doing a good thing by teaching us more about real cadres YOUR commets are admirable and i do enjoy them. enough with some micky mouse branches from KZN they think they can zulufie this PARTY (ANC) i wonder why they dont do that to ifp?
Report Abuse
s.cold
YA BAPHI OROBINR
GUSHEHE325!
MISSBHAKASUTRA
NABANYE
IZWE LAMAZULU LELI
IF LET ME SAY I MBUZI IYAWINA,,,,I SWEAR HE WILL NEVER GO TO KZN TO ADDRESS PEOPLE THERE
BOSSO KE MANG
************KE MAZULU**********
BOSSO KE MANG
*******KE MSHOLOZI*********
MOGWANTI KE MANG
*****KE MAZULU HATERS*******
LOL!!!!
Report Abuse
Moffdat
@MellowI hate to be the one to mention that you seem to be exactly what is wrong with this beautiful country.
However i am glad to inform you that your kind are the minority!!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mellow hallo doll:-) sometime k@k like Makabayi needs to be dealt with in the way it presents itself, this is the exact cavemanish intimidating the anc ppl incl its leaders always dish out to the opposition, mina I will not tolerate that, and will deal with this vermin accordingly I don't owe my existance/oxygen to them, this is as much my country as is theirs as such I have as much right to contribute on the issues affecting my country. But for the big part I am sorry to guys such as yourself that this discussion has come to this gutter language, but you will shall overcome babes:-)Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
Msiphos00Illuminated10111
zuma's banana republic!!! Vote for illuminated i have got loads to offer! i am starting with changing the constitution, vote for my party if u want real change! Sovereign National party-Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds.
==================================================
They all started like that making promises and look now we can put you there but when you start messing up tell us what to do actually we should draw up a contract first.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
their only problem was that they were too thirsty for power and to be in charge that they ended up choking on it, they forgot the people! the same people who voted them in to power! and thanked those ppl with RDP's and grants etc small change things that cannot even sustain a breeze!
Report Abuse
Is-it-just-me???
S.Cold its obvious you are the new members to ANC from Inkatha.Once you cross over to the ANC you must go to political school first .
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Laqasha@KeRataBasadi
That I want to do somaartakeit? he?
________________________________________
Uyang' sukela.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@@MellowSome ppl will forever remain stupid and gullible who in their right mind sing songs of praises to not just a corrupt thief but a rapist fck some blacks deserves exactly the s#it this pathetic anc party is dishing out fck I hate this country full of idiots…JUST HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG?!
============================================
Don't you know that birds of the feather stick together? and those that benefit from the looting of our country will always defend their support and participation but thina we must continue to speak truth to power, cause one day our children wld be asking us, 'what roles we played when our country was attacked by this vermin' you know today utata uMandela can say I fought apartheid I have scars (emotion and otherwise) to prove, thina what are we gonna say? that we surrendered this country to the criminals?
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Uzuma ngu Alibaba wase SA.Report Abuse
Is-it-just-me???
S.ColdMOGWANTI KE MANG
*****KE MAZULU HATERS*******
LOL!!!!
______________________________________________________________________
Now i understand why Azapo and PAC refuse certain members who have no political education.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
NwanawamukalahaMkabayi-kaJama
This very same somaartakeit thing here is always protecting Mbeki, Winnie Mandela and others because they are Xhosa. Deny it all you can, I have been following your comments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I beg to differ in this case. The comrades you've mentioned above never brought South Africa to its knees like msholozi is. This is not the issue of tribe or something out of this world - Zuma is an illitrate who cannot lead from the front and yet he regards himself as a leader of note.
..................................
Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Is-it-just-me???the mere fact that he had to type and post that on a public forum I shuddered when I read that, question is what are other tribes gonna do about it? are they just going to vote blindly so they can be dominated by the one tribe given this comment from this person?
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeitUzuma ngu Alibaba wase SA.
....................................................
Well, he will be your President for the next six years, whether you like it or not. Get used to him.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamaNwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons" state the reasons/facts to support your case that way you will silence opposition.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi he is to me a president on paper otherwise I don't respect this scandal prone corrupt jiyving Alibaba. Did you see in parly few days ago he was close to tears demanding to be respecting, that my friend he WILL NEVER get from me.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Mkabayi-kaJama
Nwanawamukalaha
Mkabayi-kaJama
"Some people believe Zuma is doing better than Mbeki and they have their reasons" state the reasons/facts to support your case that way you will silence opposition.
............................................
I said 'some people'. Is fluids blocking your eyesight now? I did not state my position. Why are you asking for reasons from me?
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Makabayi even if you said "some ppl" you still need to provide EVIDENCE of what it is exactly that singing & jiyving is doing that makes/qualifies him to be president.Report Abuse
Mellow
@Sowetan Really now? Stop annoying me and post my commentsReport Abuse
Is-it-just-me???
MkabayiI will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
___________________________________________________________________
Eish,Mkabayi
Kgalema is Motswana and the North West endorsed Zuma the other day.
Aaagh man ,you must go back to debate " boys are better than girls"
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Makabayi even if you said "some ppl" you still need to provide EVIDENCE of what it is exactly that singing & jiyving is doing that makes/qualifies him to be president.
................................................................................................
Am I some people? Tell those people to give you evidence. I heard one guy calling 702 the other day and he did not give reasons and he said he could if time allowed. Unforunately, I don't have his number. A lot of people from KZN also believe he is doing better. They have their own reasons...
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mellow when your comment doesn't go through use back arrow above left and edit your comments for words that are likely to be banned such as 'wh!tes' replace i with apostrophe or something just play around a bit you will soon get the hang of it, this Sowetan can be so annoying sometimes, please don't let Sowetan frustrate you already we are losing some of the greatest contributors to the national discourse skat have some patience with Sowetan.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Is-it-just-me???Mkabayi
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
___________________________________________________________________
Eish,Mkabayi
Kgalema is Motswana and the North West endorsed Zuma the other day.
Aaagh man ,you must go back to debate " boys are better than girls"
........................................
I have already addressed this comment. Look at my comments above and see. You have your answer somewhere there above. Your main problem is that you are lazy to read.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi the KZN anc ppl are motivated with tribalism more than anything, cause Zuma is even bad and promoting their culture he is turning into a joke, how is this doing good on their behalf, you can also see comments of some anc KZN guys that theirs is tribalism, but I am not complaining cause the KZN fools are going to deliver votes of the masses to the opposition:-)Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Is-it-just-me???Mkabayi
I will say Zulus are proud of their own, not stupid. Look, 100% of Limpopo will vote for Mothlante. It is not that Pedi people are stupid and tribalist, but it is only because of pride.
-----------------------------------------
And what did they say about PRIDE coming before a FALL? my only wish is that opposition parties have enough membership forms for the influx...lol
Report Abuse
Zimzalabam1
@Mkabayi-kaJamaPlease dont tell us what some people are saying,then you should not have said nothing.What are you saying?
Report Abuse
Khulza
I have long stopped worrying about Showerman winning in Mangaung. I have accepted that the comic is gonna win hands down. What many people don't realize is that Showerman's victory will, in the long run be good in the country. The ANC will lose many votes in 2014. I can bet my last dollar that with Shower as their presidential candidate the ANC will only win with about 55 % of the vote or even less.Another thing, there is a good chance that this moron will not be around in 2014. There is a good chance that he may be one of the many stats of the AIDS pandemic. It is a known fact that the dancing buffoon sleeps around with HIV women without using a condom. Now bring on Mangaung.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
btw Makabayi did you know that zuma is the most disrespected president of SA of all times? what does that say about him? I was shocked when he was close to tears in parly I think it was last work demanding to be respected, does this man not know that respect is earned? BTW you should not think that I am trying to convince to vote against Zuma in fact you should vote for him cause the likes of you deserve to be lead by mediocre leaders like Zuma, in the meantime for those of us who are affording it, we will minimise financial damage his misrule is causing the country, guess who will is affected the most by this misgoverning? you guessed correctly, you! Who has the upper hand and the last laugh at this self inflicted Banana republic voted by your ilk?Report Abuse
Laqasha
I think we should all get together here and have an orgy. That way, we will all respect each other.Report Abuse
Lepile
It has been written in the record of the Holy Scriptures:
In the last days difficult times hard to deal with will be here.
A nation will turn again a nation
Earthquake there an there
Lovers of money and fornicators and adultorers-Zuma
No respect for elders
Thieves
End when u see this things escalating know that the end is near
Fellars: this things that we see have been foretold and would not change course. They are destined to happen cz of the prophesies.
we must rejoice cz the end of the evil ones and the evil one is near.
Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
Report Abuse
joyful
Thank God there are other parties to chose from - as long as ANC keeps this illiterate fool, my vote they will not see!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Laqasha I can ONLY respect a person who has sound advice/opinion even when I disagree with said opinion. Just to give you a jist of how I am wired, you know during the Bush era in the USA though I didn't agree with the politics of the republics there ppl who were respectable behind him such as Condoleza Rice and Colin Powell I didn't agree with their politics but I respected their positions and Ms Rice went on global stage to prove that she is NOT A QUOTE but a force to be recknoned with, that I respect.What I don't respect about the anc is that some of the leaders at best of time when engaging with opposition on very serious issues they appear to not be informed about constitution rights of the opposition, they seem to expect to be given respect which they have not earned eg if you look at the opening of the borders and uncontrolled, now we have migrants coming to SA as cleaners and car guards did we really need to import these skills? how do these skills help to improve our country's economy? Blade was recently quoted as having said "we are being undermined by wh!tes" why should wh!te ppl respect corrupt non delivering arrogant gov officials? because at the end of the day its them who have to facilitate charities and such humanitarian events to pick up broken bits and pieces of the masses who are being let down by the anc regime, I've visited soem of the charity work done by some wh!te middle class whilst on holiday in SA, so I know that they are picking up broken bits and pieces of lives destroyed by inept gov we have.
And also in all guest houses I stayed in its MAINLY black ppl who are serving, this means this regime has failed to build a bigger stronger black middle class which is why in this new dispensation black ppl are being carried on the shoulder by minority for their survival. Now please lets think about, what is to respect in all this? cause you know I really want to be fair to the anc and respect them for doing something respectful t those voting for them, did you know in all the driving around down the Garden route, it was only young black males that were begging/car guards? I ask you again what has the anc achieved for its constituent cause I really really want to be able to respect them.
Report Abuse
BCool13
To Zuma:"Pride comes be a fall".
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Quote shoudl read QuotA appointment.Report Abuse
Winilen
Mgwijikhwebu@LeparaThePresident,
Zuma has not even finished his term, he has been in power for about three and half years. How can you then judge him so soon? Is that fair? Have you forgotten that there are significant achievements he has made over the very same short period?
You seem to suffer from seelective amnesia, and yet you expected to be taken serious.
Zuma detractors and ha'ters conveniently forget that counterforces such as the ANCYL (especially under Malema) became permanent distracting figures and irr'itants to the ANC leadership and the ANC-led government.
They effectively wanted to dictate the agenda, and call the shorts on the course the country had to take while they thought of themselves as the untouchables.
Who can forget about their constant bic'kering over Libya, SA's "declining" influence on the continent and global stage? Their constant tau'nting, swipes and th'reats to Mantashe (whom they used to refer to as the outgoing SG)? Their politics of bul'lying when they co'erced the ANC to start the debate on nationalisation.
In addition to the ANCYL's er'ratic behaviour, Msholozi had to deal with serious divisions and factionalism within the ANC, and manage the after-effects of the formation of COPE. The world economic melt down further compounded Zuma's list of problems as it posed a direct threat to our own economy. Service delivery protests spiralled out of control immediately after JZ assumed reign.
In short, Zuma had all the work cut out for him, and only a super human could effectively manage to succesfully keep everything tightly under control. Zuma did to the best of his ability against all odds.
Thabo Mbeki and Mandela never faced any serious form of internal ANC re'volt that made it almost impossible to effectively lead the organisation. Hence his detractors cite his lack of decisive leadership forgetting the prevailing and testing conditions he led the movement under.
Kanti uyokuthola nini ngempela ukuphumula uJZ? Sizomvikela kulamanqe amzungezayo. Izitha azisoze zaphumelela.
HLUKANANI noMsholozi, HLUKANANI noNxamalala!!!!!!
========================================================
Well said there... just that Zuma is too corrupt & under his leadership corruption has increase
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Mkabayi the KZN anc ppl are motivated with tribalism more than anything, cause Zuma is even bad and promoting their culture he is turning into a joke, how is this doing good on their behalf, you can also see comments of some anc KZN guys that theirs is tribalism, but I am not complaining cause the KZN fools are going to deliver votes of the masses to the opposition:-)
..........................................................................
No. KZN people are motivated by pride. As I said even in America, 96% of black voters voted for Obama because he is black. White people understood that those black people were motivated by pride and they did not call them racists.
You are proud of being a Xhosa. That is why you always protect Mbeki, Winne and other Xhosa people here. You are proud of them. There is nothing wrong with that. It does not make you a tribalist. You don't hate other tribes, but you are proud of your own.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
@somaartakeitI can't add or take away anything in what you are saying. I agree fully.
Report Abuse
joyful
@BCool13To Zuma:
"Pride comes be a fall".
********************
oh deary, the only "Pride" Zuma knows is the one for pap............
such a statement like this might make him to call a lekgotla, form a team to investigate this pride and the hawks to findout who made it to fall!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi you could not have been watching presidential campaign in the USA cause you would have known that the Obama candidacy won because of WOMEN who felt insulted by remarks made by one Republican candidate, it was broken down in another paper I forgot now which one is it, by percentages and race who voted Obama, it was the women of all colours highst percentage followed by the Latinos I suppose its more to do with the Democrats stance on immigration, and thirdly it was homosexual ppl and sympathisers cause homosexuals were also insulted by Republican candidates, you should know that Americans vote on NATIONAL ISSUES not on RACE, what also trumped up the Democrats card was the speed response by Obama to the victims of hurricane, that my friend is SERVICE DELIVERY SUPREME!!!YOu need to start reading other literature outside the anc brainwashing manuals, then you will know what is trending and what's not.
Obama couldn't have won if his ticket depended only on race, I think you were being corrected by KeRatabasadi on this false claim you keep touting around?
The world respect common sense and KNOWLEDGE knowledge my friend is power we don't respect zuma partly because he is the MOST UNinformed president of SA of all times.
Report Abuse
joyful
and people, tribalism is not the answer!surely not all Zulus are in support of what the fool of a president is doing to our beautiful country?
I also do not think the people of Nkandla are "enjoying" Zuma's spoils - in his own area there are still a lot of jobless people, poor people ---------- in typical dictatorship, those who benefits from "his wealth"(our taxes of course) are people of his own family!
Report Abuse
Khulza
People are failing to realize one thing. The second term for Zuma who is by all account the most USELESS president ever and will go down in history as such is not all doom amd gloom for the country. Zuma's re-election will be manna for opposition parties.If the ANC foolishly thinks that people will continue voting for them just because they are a liberation party they are making a very big mistake.
Come 2014 if Zuma will be their candidate I foresee some prominent ANC members openly campaigning for people to vote against the ANC. Look at what happened in Potchefstroom where ANV councillors ganged up with the oppposition to pass a vote of no-confidence on their mayor. I see this happening here in 2014 if Shower is still around.Besides, chances are that after MAngaung the ANC will have another split so chances are that opposition parties may be in a position to form a coalition government.
Report Abuse
s.cold
Is-it-just-me???S.Cold its obvious you are the new members to ANC from Inkatha.
Once you cross over to the ANC you must go to political school first .
===========================================================
SILENT TREATMENT BIACH
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Illuminated10111Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
.....................................................................
I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good. The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism. Zulus people are supporting Zuma because of pride. It doesn't mean that they hate other tribes. I we were to vote for DA only because the President is a Sotho or Xhosa, that will then be tribalism. Look, we voted for Mandela and Mbeki and they are Xhosa people.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Joyful such a wit LOVL@Laqasha our saving grace now is to have ability to analyse scrutinise results and what these leaders undertake on our behalf cause our children will have to foot the bill in the long run, hence I say knowledge is power, we must empower ourselves with knowledge, the anc wants to destroy our right to knowledge ie controlling press freedom so that they can not be reported on corruption and other misrepresentations the anc regime with Zum at the helm have made us a laughing stock even in other African countries, not before long the porous borders are going to (if they are not already) costing SA its freedom.
If only migrants are employed in jobs that can be done by SAns, this alone puts the masses who should be fielding those jobs in an economic disposition, as we all know money talks the ones with money will have influence in what the gov does in the future, take for instance in Kenya the gov there failed to develop and grow middle class of Kenyans as a direct result their economy is run by Indians,
I appeal to the masses to not let the anc take out the cream out of your mouths, we must fight to retain and sustain our country, as you all are aware by now time is not on our side, we need to pull together and eject the anc from power before it completely brings all aground. That's not to say we should vote for the DA there are many other opposition who predicted that have no clue at the time is was sighted that many anc leaders have no education, so you tell me how can you lead effectively without KNOWLEDGE? KNOWLEDGE is POWER my friends, look at all the developed countries, they invest their resources in EDUCATION AND HEALTH so the citizens can sustain themselves and eventually the country.
Guys we can't afford Dollhouse politics anymore otherwise we will find ourselves with leaders like Zuma.
Report Abuse
Winilen
27 Nov 2012ThinawiseThe good thing about all of this is that there will be a new party that willl be formed after zuma being voted for the 2nd term,interesting enough is that the ANC is being divided little by little and DA are watching the space,.
It was cope now there is another party coming soon.atleast during 2014 DA will stand a chance of taking over if this party will be formed...
As a zulu,im being disgusted with this guy who continues to disappoint our country in every way.
====================================================
1st it was the IFP, UDM,COPE etc we are used to that
Report Abuse
NICEBOOBS
PHANTSI WITH JZ PHANTSIReport Abuse
NICEBOOBS
DOWN WITH JZ DOWNReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@KhulzaPeople are failing to realize one thing. The second term for Zuma who is by all account the most USELESS president ever and will go down in history as such is not all doom amd gloom for the country. Zuma's re-election will be manna for opposition parties.
------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst I partly I agree with your position my main issue is that, we should have leaders that are strong mentally that understands our issues not leaders who are waiting to scrape off scraps falling off anc table, opposition parties must work and EARN our votes, to do so they need to a have a clear cut agenda on how they plan to take the country forward, we should not be in the habit of settling, when they get our vote we must get in teh habit of checking balances and results.
YOu know in Lybia their dead dictator kept the country's money in his pocket, he is said to have been funding other dictators so that when he is in trouble, he can use their rebels as his private army, as Africans we must not allow our leaders to treat us as if we were children, I don't want this country's resources to be in the pockets of Zuma family I want SA to be in charge of what gets done on their behalf cause at the end of hte day they are the ones who must fork out for good or bad decisions inflicted upon us by these leaders, so the opposition must go out there and work and earn our votes cause like right now we are gatvol of being abused by politicians,
Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
Let Msholozi have his song and dance, if the ANC core in Mangaung want him back for the second term, so be it, and @ll wait for 2014, AND STOP PRATTLING ABOUT HATING HIM!! It is starting to get tedious.Report Abuse
s.cold
Khulza=========================
U REALLY HATE ZUMA NE
UZOBA STRONG,,,,,,,,NJA
Report Abuse
bulwazi
@Mosquer......hehehehehehe...lol...
____________________________________________________________________________________
As for this article and topic ......NO COMMENT
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@skwamasamabeleLet Msholozi have his song and dance, if the ANC core in Mangaung want him back for the second term, so be it, and @ll wait for 2014, AND STOP PRATTLING ABOUT HATING HIM!! It is starting to get tedious.
-------------------------------------
and hating something which brings our great nation down is fine, we should in fact that the anc is reducing our country into a spaza shop we should feel ashamed that we have unaccountable leaders, we must be so mad that as a nation we should collectively call gen election to be brought forward before zuma and the anc destroys this country completely, for some of us 2014 is a long stretch, we must sterilise this festering wound right now and right here!!!
People time is not on our side and even if it was time is money we are losing our monetarily and otherwise for the grand theft inflicted upon us by the anc Alibaba and the 400+ bandit of thieves.
Report Abuse
cornelius
It is embarra.ssing to have a president that sings and dances like a performing mon.key to get re-elected. Why is he so desperate ? He stated before Polokwane that he only wants 1 term. Why go to such lengths now ? It cannot be that he is so passionate, with such a clear vision for the country that the wants to lead to make sure he realises it. Also, he must know that the country would be in safe hands, if Mothlanthe took over - a lot safer and better actually - yet he demans himself like this . The reason is obvious - state resources to be plundered by him, family and cronies.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamaIlluminated10111
"I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good. The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism. Zulus people are supporting Zuma because of pride. It doesn't mean that they hate other tribes. I we were to vote for DA only because the President is a Sotho or Xhosa, that will then be tribalism. Look, we voted for Mandela and Mbeki and they are Xhosa people"
Truth be told (as I am in the business of speaking truth to power today) amaZulu for the big part are tribalistic in their way of thinking etc, take for instance prior to the run up to the first elections in thsi country, was it not ama-Zulu who ganged up with the enemy and tried to derail first democratic election? Madiba had to bribe Gatsha with a ministerial position to calm things down.
I just feel frustrated for forward thinking amaZulu who must be embarrassed and as frustrated as us with this glaring tribalism prevailing within the anc post plkn, that again shows that Zuma has not ability to be a national leader, how can he think progressively when he sees himself first as a umZulu rather than national president? Even now he has brought in the former inkatha ppl to come fight for him to stay in power hence there is a political bloodbath in KZN.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
........................buffering........................
Report Abuse
boyboy1
Zuma, he might win in Mangaung but not second term as president of the country, and this is going to be the downfall of the ANC.This has looooong been prophesised, even his followers who are capable of intimidating people with violence/firearms,they won`t know what hit them.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
You know the Queen of England sees and speaks to his subject as the ppl of GREAT BRITAIN or United Kingdom, she doesn't see herself as a first English cause she knows that will divide her country, why does Zuma always parades himself first as a traditional leader instead of presenting himself as a national leader? sorry guys but Zuma until he starts thinking in progressive way he doesn't represent me.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayiI think u r missing a point, your insistanca of Zuma surport based on tribalism go against the principle of And and Zuma himself,Zuma can never win presidency byZulus surport only, if it were not for Motlante stupid surport for Juju I am quit certain he would be leading by now . You must bear in mind we r building a nation now don't ivoke the apartheid objectives which Zuma fought against
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mandela was a national leader and a global icon, he deserved his Nobel Prize.Mbeki was an Africanist he is responsible to put Africa agenda on int'l platform,
Zuma is a Zulu leader whose existence is funded by SAns.
We wanted Zuma to lead us from where Mandela and Mbeki left off, how hard can that be given that that the road for developed was already foundationed and paved?
Many incl myself predicted that Zuma will fail this country cause it was clear from the onset that he had no trace of leadership skills in his corrupt veins, sadly we were proven to be correct, partly I blame ancyl and its women wing that we are in the mess we find ourselves in today.
Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
Mkabayi-kaJamaIlluminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
.....................................................................
I see nothing wrong with being proud of our tribes. That is good.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
supported
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem occur when we start to hate other tribes. Now that is what is called tribalism.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i am seeing people calling each other bad names in relation to their tribes and this is something that irritates me a lot!, we'd rather do that instead of thinking over the boundries and finding a way forwad on how to fix this broken nation! regardless of where u belong this affects us al! if petrol goes up it doesn't mean zulus wont feel the pinch becoz the president is zulu, b'sides he is Our South African president! he is this country's president in foreign lands he represents us all!
Report Abuse
joyful
@somaartakeitmaar somaar, you're being unfair to the mshowerlozi............. he cannot be compared to the queen of england deary .......... I doubt he even qualifies to be compared to her horses......
comaprison unfair - cannot compare mud to diamonds, no basis of comparison! their 2 individuals are uncomparable! the queen in question has a high IQ while our president's IQ is missing in action.........
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Nyongoyavenda please dude get your facts right, Mothlante is not supporting Malema by any stretch of imagination more than he voiced his views on the way the disciplinary and ultimate suspension was carried, Mothlante has (to a certain degree) a consciencentious, but in the anc a differing view is seen as either for us or against us, guys you really need to start reasoning in a mature way if you are to sustain your party.Malema has done a lot of things wrong, he was supported in this by Zuma till the fall out, so I agree with Mothlante it was hypocritical of Zuma to now decide to suspend Malema from the anc, without him taking responsibility for his party it influencing malema to behave like a complete idiot most of the times.
My other position is that, I feel sorry for Malema only because he was used cause Malema is not mentally strong, Zuma exploited his mental weakness to ride on his shoulders into presidency, so it (IMO) doesn't make sense why the anc concl Malema is bad @rse and Zuma a prince when they are both a cut from the same cloth.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Joyfull, lovl I was trying to be nice to the mud:-) lolReport Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Illuminated10111 - Its got nothing to do with JZ being Zulu (Although, alot of Zulu people are supporting him only because of this reason), the real issue here is that the dude is grossly incompetent and corrupt.If we have to have a corrupt and incompetent dude 'representing us', then I consider myself presidentless.
I wount support scuuumbags like this.
H3llz no.
Report Abuse
Shredder
@Goat_Trash........................buffering........................
All hell is gonna break lose in a few moments time. Let me stay back and prepare myself for a good laughter. **smiling**
Report Abuse
imfene
27 Nov 2012Illuminated10111
Tribalism is the state of being organized in, or advocating for, a tribe or tribes. In terms of conformity, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group.
Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely well said.Please sisters and brothers.
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartakeitI know you always argue with half truths and lies, in his book he says he doesn't believe Juju was treatet right but he has never pointed out exactly which and wasn't applied according to book in on juju discipline, difernt view is tolerated in the and that y he is still the deputy under Mbeki he would have long gone
Male a is overstating his importance on Zuma surpot many people who surpoted Zuma cost it was clear that he was very popular, it helped dem mo than it helped Zuma
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@imfene27 Nov 2012
Illuminated10111
------------------------------
Sorry but that is an excuse for the lazy minds who chose to not want to think progressively unfortunately for these (thinking on tribal and race lines) they are derailing progress for our country.
Let it be said that I will NEVER support someone doing something wrong because he/she has same skin colour or race or gender as me, to support wrong cause the wrong doer wears teh same skin shade/gender/tribe as you is to collaborate with practices of injustices.
What also history has taught me is that, the racist/tribalists are shameless ppl without any moral code, look at Hitler or did you think he was ONLY killing the Jews? look at Idi Amin, Mugabe etc, moral of the story is that when good people cease to stand up for what's right evil thrives.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ CorneliusDon’t thank me now; I’m tired of hearing d0g barks.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ somaartakeitYou’re very smart - I’m sure your brain feels as good as new, seeing that it was never used before.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ boyboy1All your girlfriends eyes were closed when you guys k!ssed – considering your face, they had no choice but land up in I.C.U.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ NyongoyamavendaNobody says you’re dumb. – they just say you were 17 years old before you learned to wave goodbye.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ imfeneI heard you were born on the 2nd of May - A day too late!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Ngonyamayamavenda I wish guys like you could read with understanding and comprehension cause really why Mothlante said what he said iro Juju's disciplinery and ultimate suspension is that, it was right for Juju to insult other elders of the movement coached and encouraged by Zuma now that he was turning on Zuma the state resources were used against him is that not power abuse on the part of Zuma? Granted Malema is no angel, in fact he is the most obnoxious politicians SA ever had, I am so sad that anc allowed and enabled Malema to rich the highest level political, thus sending clear message to the young of this country that uncouthness and loutishness is what will take you further not education and other valuable skills.Now try to comprehend this simple English, the disciplinary of Malema was politically motivated, cause Malema has always been a rude politician and if the Hawks findings are anything to go by also corrupt but who in the anc leaders is not guilty of this? now before you answer this question think about the anc is a collective, so everything Malema did/said was supported by them, that is why the anc is even today trying to defend hate speech song which was banned by a court of law in this country, the k!ll the b0er song, anc is an organisation of uneducated political louts.
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@CorneliusZuma has inspired Zille she dances like she is possesd,
Report Abuse
Ngwana-Modimo-Feela
Viva President Zuma,everybody say'VIVA!!! Viva President Zuma VIVA,@ somaartakeit,say VIVA Our President, VIVA! @joyful Say Viva Msholozi Viva!!@cornelius, say Viva My President Viva!!@ NICEBOOBS say Amndlaaaaa, awthuuuuuu,Viva Msholozi, Viva!!! MY PRESIDENT, MY PRESIDENT,MY PRESIDENT MY PRESIDENT,GO ZUMA GO!! ZUMA FOR THE 2ND TERM GO!!PHANSI MOTHLANTHE PHANSI!,PHANSI MALEMA, PHANSI, HALALA NGO ZUMA HALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,ZUMA PHEZULU NGE 2ND TERM PHEZULU, PAMBILI NGE ANC KA ZUMA PHEZULU, WE ARE 101 % BEHIND YOYU MSHOLOZI, PHANSI NGE CORRUPTION,PHANSI, PHEZULU NGE SERVICE DELIVERY PHEZULU!!,PHANSI NGE CRIME, PHANSI,PHEZULU NGE SMOOOOOOTH SERVICE DELIVERY!!!!!!Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ !#Sinudeity#!Your brain is anorexic and your mouth is obese - considering this nature, you're from the jungle!
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ Ngwana-Modimo-FeelaI hear that when your mother first saw you, she decided to leave you on the front steps of a police station - and turned herself in.
Report Abuse
imfene
somaartakeitI fully agree with you. Illuminated10111 said:
"Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh! "
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Nyongoyamavenda - Its not HZ's fault that she has to dance. Its these silly voters, who support politicians based on how well they can dance, that forced her to dance :PNow just imagine, if these supporters were swayed by policies, delivery and debates, and not song and dance.
Alas, South African voters are still years away from this level of understanding.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@NgwanaModima I wish I could say viva but as things stands he is not going to be around for very long considering that hiv can't be rinsed off in the shower. Do you know what's the meaning of the word viva? but I would have loved for him to live longer so that he can serve time in prison for corruption.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@Goat_trashYou behave like a Trojan horse virus on my pc
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ ShredderThere's a vacancy at the mental institution for bi-polar disordered individuals - all you have to do is learn how to count to minus 4, then the job is yours!
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ NyongoyamavendaSomeone said you're not fit to sleep with p!gs - Guess what, I stood up for the p!gs!
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ imfeneYou went for a brain transplant - but the poor brain declined the operation!
Report Abuse
Shredder
@Goat_Trash@ Shredder
There's a vacancy at the mental institution for bi-polar disordered individuals - all you have to do is learn how to count to minus 4, then the job is yours!
=========================================================================
LOL. Come on now. What did I do to offend you?
By the way, I noticed that sinudeity's mouth is anorexic and his mouth obese. LOL
Report Abuse
imfene
Goat_TrashYou have come to the wrong site for Psychiatric advice. Next floor down and turn right.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ imfeneYou're the queen in your own house - The d0g kennel!
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Goat_Trash, weet jou ma jy speel alweer buite?Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Nyongoyamavenda@mkabayi
I think u r missing a point, your insistanca of Zuma surport based on tribalism go against the principle of And and Zuma himself,Zuma can never win presidency byZulus surport only, if it were not for Motlante stupid surport for Juju I am quit certain he would be leading by now . You must bear in mind we r building a nation now don't ivoke the apartheid objectives which Zuma fought against
......................
Well, you support Zuma because he is a Zulu. Deny it all you can, but deep down you know it.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Shredder - Are you racist?Report Abuse
imfene
Goat_TrashLOL
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ oldlady12I don't know who you are - but I ran out of stones to throw at you (flamingo)
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
imfenesomaartakeit
I fully agree with you. Illuminated10111 said:
"Sewn in our blood I see! Every time an issue arises we state our differences instead of finding a solution oh lord! When are we going to get over the tribe issue, If we still think like this, we will never unite; in our minds we will always be imprisoned! Zulus this, tswanas that,xhosas up,english's down!!!!! for crying out loud! Aarrgghh! "
...............................................
Well, you will never take the pride away from the people. People are proud of their tribes and there is nothing wrong with that. The only problem is when people start to hate other tribes.
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
I blame apartheid for all of this..Report Abuse
Shredder
@-Cl!ck-============================
How are you my friend?
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartekeitYes I agree juju was somewhat condoned to hurl insult mainly at Mbeki n Zille and including Zuma n Motlante were quiet bt he to get mad then Zuma first sat wth everyone in Durban n clearly stated that from now onwards such things won't be tolerated no more. Bt as u know juju he is not blessed with intelligence he continued, he was suspended he continued....expelled so is that Motlante is complaining about he just dividing and cost juju wanted him to take over from Zuma that's all, Male a DC was not political actually it took too long for him to be disciplined he had caused so much embarrassment to the anc
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@LeparaThePresident,Nice try. Let me help you out. The only Zulus in that list are Zuma and Mkhize. Gwede is Xhosa, Cyril is Venda, Duarte is Coloured and Baleka's maiden name is Kgositsile. She is married to a Mbete who is also not Zulu. That takes the number of non-Zulus to 4 out of 6. So where is your proof for tribalism?
You people are sore losers. You just need to deal with your inferiority complex and leave people of the Zulu Kingdom alone while day-dreaming.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaYour bra has electrical wiring - it only switches on when you start talking - no wonder you sound "choked"
Report Abuse
Shredder
@!#Sinudeity#!Shredder - Are you racist?
===========================
Hell to the no. Never ever will I be one. Racists(black and white) p!ss me off.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-I don't consider you a vulture - I'd consider you what a vulture would eat!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,A pride can be abused when you don't track down what is it that which you are proud about, is what you are proud help to build the nation and prosperity in our country? I can tell you that tribalism is not building this country instead it will fragment it, hence I said if Zuma doesn't see that tribalism is wrong then he should not be a leader of this diverse nation.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Mgwijikhwebu - "leave people of the Zulu Kingdom alone while day-dreaming"We would, but you are costing us millions of rands.
Report Abuse
imfene
Mkabayi-kaJamaFeeling kinship,at home in your clan or tribe and even pride in something that has been achieved. But I agree with you - not at the expense of any other person or group. Once that happens, somebody then is given a reason for unhappiness.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ MgwijikhwebuLet's play cowboys - I'll be the cowboy and you be yourself!
Report Abuse
FarCeSpotter
My mind still boggles that a person with such poor credentials made it to the top of the ANC and South Africa.If JZ makes a second term I will feel that the ANC is failing this country. And I wil more than ever believe that Zuma is buying his place at the top - with our tax money, nogal.
That being said I am glad that we stay in a country where democracy is making such problems possible.
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_TrashI wouldn't be so sure if you want to play Tellie-Tubbies with me.. I'm not in the mood, 1st WARNING.. *Bl0ody insect*..
Report Abuse
Msiphos00
Has Microsoft upgraded to Windows 9 if they did I blame them cos I can see some of our brothers and sisters are confused cos real some of their comments on this article are way out of lineReport Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ FarCeSpotterIf I told you that I have a piece of dirt in my eye, would you move?
Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
Sommartakeit- Yes the ANC is corrupt, Yes the ANC is not delivering. But, step back a bit, and tell me what the Nationalist govt did for all the people, except white people?? We were kept in the dark from 1910 to 1994 about corruption in those govts, when asking those questions, one either disappears or has an accident. We manage to know and critisize the ANC because we are allowed to due to the current constitution and freedom of speech. Under the Nationalists, you know it was suicide to do that. I am an ANC supporter, and I started my struggle in Soweto in 1976, never went to exile because I wanted to bring the minority govt down by peaceful means. I left SA in 1994, hoping it was in good hands. Joined the UNICEF security team. I can see what is going on in SA everytime I visit, that is not what I fought for, I was hoping by now no-one would be living in a shack, lacking basic amenities. I support the ANC, but not the Leadership, and I WANT MY ANC BACK!!! Perhaps it might be wiser to bring the corrupt Leadership down and preserve the organisation. The core ANC base has a duty and a responsibility to the country to CHANGE LEADERSHIP!! Our govt is a laughing stock in the West, especially here in the UK. With gold prices at a record high ($1400 an ounce), you'd think SA would come into its own, by job creation on the mining sector. I promised myself never to work for the ANC govt until they change their ways, and I will only come back home when I am retired, and enjoy my British pension. I wont be part of a govt that let down the people who fought and died for this country.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Ngonyamayomvenda the issue here is Zuma should not have allowed the Malema situation to go as far as it did, he only allowed it cause it benefited him politically, therefore I concl he is operating without ethics or standards or even moral values considering that black culture across Africa forbids any young person to speak untoward against an elderly, so how under the watch of full anc leaders was Malema allowed to behave the way he did? He was ONLY ejected cause he was doing to them what he did to both Helen Zille and Thabo Mbeki, unfortunately for Malema and Zuma camp they couldn't get Mbeki to stoop to their levels hence I said KNOWLEDGE/EDUCATION is POWER, Mbeki would not waste any of his valuable time arguing with uneducated political louts, for all this misdeeds in this part I was very proud of him that he carried himself like a true gentleman, it made me proud that in both occasions of Mbeki and Mandela we Xhosas gave SA and the world true leaders who had ability to think and to revise their position when found to be wrong, not jiyving jack who can't even read.Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-I changed your 1st nappies - After seeing what came out of your @ss, I decided to remove you from my medical aid!
Report Abuse
FarCeSpotter
@trashGoogle troll and think
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ skwamasamabeleYour lips are moving, but you're saying buggerall! - you should star in silent movies as a door!
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes.
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@mkabayiNo I surpoted Mandela,thabo mbeki and I will surpt Cyril, I am proud Zulu bt I am also proud of other Afiricaans like Sothos, Yoruba etc
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,You are either a big fan or secret lover / concunbine for ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat neh???? You seem to concurring, echoing and agreeing with everything that he stands for.
So now you are one of those who think booting Malema was a mistake? Mhh... you are indeed a hypocrite of the first order.
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_TrashYour mother is still looking for my d!ck..
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Goat_Trash@ Mkabayi-kaJama
Your bra has electrical wiring - it only switches on when you start talking - no wonder you sound "choked"
....................................................
That is your mama..
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ FarCeSpotterThe traffic lights have turned red - I'll be with you in a sec!
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Nyongoyamavenda@mkabayi
No I surpoted Mandela,thabo mbeki and I will surpt Cyril, I am proud Zulu bt I am also proud of other Afiricaans like Sothos, Yoruba etc
...............................
Why are supporting Zuma for second term? Come on man, 100% of KZN members nominated Zuma, why? We can deny it all we can. Look, there is nothing wrong with being proud. I'm also against those people hating other tribes, but there is nothing wrong with people being proud of your own tribe.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Skwamasamabele trust guys like you to bring National Party card into the debate when you have no moral high ground anymore against the NAT Regime, btw how should I care what the Nats did considering that no black persons in this country vote for them? Secondly if we have to consider deliverance of services of both regime to their constituences the NAT regime trumps the anc regime by millions of miles, there were no wh!te squatters under the nat regime, all wh!tes at least have access to basic education, all wh!tes had basic resources such as public transport and they built for blacks better shoe box housing than the anc does for its cosntituent. now lets quickly run down and see what anc has achieved.EC more than 55% are without jobs, majority are employed in menial jobs as cashiers, car guards cleaners, medical infrastructure is falling to pieces, corruption is rife, and said corruption derails service delivery as funds stolen in these corruption events are funds which were geared to create a better life for prev economically marginalised, infant mortality rate high, hiv left behind 8mil orphans, education is in crisis, most public service personnel have been involved in some type of corruption or the other, most gov depts dysfunctional, crime which affects even infants is at an all time high, opening of border gates to all criminals of the world to come have a party in SA at expense of our national stability, matriculants of the EC anc hub are failing and graduated are unemployable due to low quality of education, many blacks like in apartheid era are still economic migrants, in most business establishments blacks by far and large are still there as service agents not business owning, our wild life is under threat, in some areas tap water is undrinkable, poverty, lavish expenditure of public rsources by gov officials, I am only stopping here only because my fingers are tired of typing not because I have run out of reporting on anc underachievements. Now is this this somethign to be proud about?
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartakeitMbeki had so much shortcomings as well, he never took actions against his corupt comrades, he surrounded himself wth yes man, he talked democracy while he surpoted rigged election in Zim, HIV children perished cost Mbeki offered dem garlic n betroot as a medicine, he slaped Winnie[wom an abuse] in full capacity stadium, we experienced electricity crisis right under his leadership, he was always overseas and aloof from grassroots I can go on n on
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Tra(th)You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaYou're a failed attempt at an abortion! - thanks to your ugliness
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@Sinudeity,What millions? Do you expect Zuma to render his excellent service to the nation without getting paid for it? All the improvements around his Palace were necessary for his safety. He is the state president of Africa's largest economy after-all.
Again, do you expect king Zwelithini with subjects totalling over 10 million to be the king of all kings for nothing. R 68 million per annum is just an insult to the king and the entire mighty Zulu nation. He deserves 5 times as much.
Zulus contributed and sacrificed a lot for this country. Hence the special treatment is well deserved and be encouraged by all sober and right thinking citizens of this country. Surely, you cannot equate simple truth and stright facts to tribalism intelligent people.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamasomaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes.
------------------------------------------------------
I should remind you which tribe was the target of h@te in running up to SA's first democratic elections? Need I remind you that the attacked which occurred then under the watch of Gatsha and Zwelithini were fueled by hate and jealousy that Mandela who happened to be a Xhosa was a first black president in SA?
Again in Marikane it is said its mainly Xhosas who incurred most of the casualties this happened under the watch of a Zulu national leaders.
in all this we try to swallow our pain and look forward to build this country cause we understand what liberation struggle was about and also for the sake of other educated and civilised Zulu ppl we don't want to indulge these neo Zulu tribalists who have entrenched themselves within the anc.
Report Abuse
Shredder
@somaartakeit - Secondly if we have to consider deliverance of services of both regime to their constituences the NAT regime trumps the anc regime by millions of miles, there were no wh!te squatters under the nat regime,==========================================================================
There was Mshenguville in Mofolo named after Ephraim Tshabalala.
Besides, there wouldn't have been because the bulldozers would have come within a day and do the Lenasia. Most of the people in Pretoria who live in the squatters come from their former Bantustans homelands, now renamed to Limpopo and Mpumalanga mainly.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-A lameward like you is always saying something gay - guess what? I'm not interested fool!
Report Abuse
Laqasha
Man, who meets girl in a park is good, but man, who parks meat in girl, even better.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Goat_Trash@ Mkabayi-kaJama
You're a failed attempt at an abortion! - thanks to your ugliness
..........................................................
Wena awuzalwanga wazingelwa
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-You're dad's wife is so awesome - we rekindled to make another f'aggot like you!
Report Abuse
Shredder
LaqashaMan, who meets girl in a park is good, but man, who parks meat in girl, even better.
==============================================================
WTF does that supposed to mean?
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_TrashWith a breathe and odour like yours.. I'd advertise myself to replace DOOM as a cockroach killer.. Wait, how about being an ATOMIC bomb and blow away your family??
Report Abuse
Laqasha
Brothers and sisters,A dentist is not the only person who can have his tool inside a girl's mouth.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Ngonyamayamavenda I am no fan of Mbeki and I also know that he was NOT perfect. Mbeki as the anc representative first and foremost he was carrying out the anc's will on his stance in Zimbabwe if not the anc should have stopped him dead on his tracks. On the aids debacle, this is the main reason I stopped voting anc cause I believe they didn't move as fast as they should have on the issue they had to be pressured by NGOs and civil rights groups such as TAC in order to act, but I think (and I stand corrected) that Mbeki's views on aids were misconstrued to suit political agenda at the time, he suggested that (which btw I agree with) that we should not ONLY look on the medical aspect of it, we should also look on the nutritional side of things, this can not be disputed by medical professional worthy of their salt, Mbeki's problem was his failure to deal with Dr Garlick & Beetroot when her concoction failed to produce results, he should have further fired Dr Nkosazana Zuma for wasting public resources on an hiv/aids play.Anyway the issue right now is not debate who did the worse but why the anc has not make good on its election of a better life for all, I am sick to death listening and reading about their past I want to hear about current and the future.
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ ShredderThat loser is always lost.. I blame Moyannaise..
Report Abuse
Shredder
@Laqasha - LOL, you look like Click.Report Abuse
Heavenlydevine
Cl!ck-@ Goat_Tra(th)
You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
......................................................................................
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaks u made ma day dude hahahahahahahaha
@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan?
Report Abuse
Shredder
@Heavenlydevine@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan?
=============================================================
Possibly. He is very sensitive. You remember the guy who raised his middle finger at him? What about the one who almost spilled his drink on him?
Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
Sowetan- you allow goat_trash to verbally abuse commentators and you wont allow my response to his non-exitent contribution?? Get your act togetherReport Abuse
TheTrueWord
There is no surprise as to why JZ wants the second term so desperately. Everyone would do so if there were prospects of them going to court to answer 783 corruption, fraud, racketeering, etc. charges.This is the political solution that the ANC had been always saying they seek for JZ's charges and woes.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-Nice comeback - now wipe my sperms off your chin!
Report Abuse
Heavenlydevine
Shredder@Heavenlydevine
@ every1 will i get into trouble if i swear @ the president month sowetan?
=============================================================
Possibly. He is very sensitive. You remember the guy who raised his middle finger at him? What about the one who almost spilled his drink on him?
.........................................................................................................................
Noted bra...OK let me swear @ him in jibirish #$#%&&$ ^&**&%$&( MaSE *&%$$ Dance WITH ur Bold %&*%&*%* head U ^**&$*%R$ Retard..There u go i feel btr already thanks 4 the Heads up @Shredder
Report Abuse
Shredder
@skwamasamabeleSowetan- you allow goat_trash to verbally abuse commentators and you wont allow my response to his non-exitent contribution?? Get your act together
=========================================================================
LOL. Goat_Trash has his ways of circumventing Sowetan's filter. LOL
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi no one here asked or suggested that ppl shouldn't be proud of their roots but the problem comes when they become fanatical about it then in the case of tribes it becomes tribalism, for your info SAns fought so hard against one tribe dominating others, and I can assure you that sane SAns will NEVEr allow themselves to be dominated by a tribe in this case Zulus, you can mark this comment in your diary if you like cause then you will remember this diary,
.....................................................................
Even in this case Zulus are not saying they hate other tribes, but they are proud of their own. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be worried if Zulus start to hate other tribes. Zulus are very much united with other trbes.
------------------------------------------------------
I should remind you which tribe was the target of h@te in running up to SA's first democratic elections? Need I remind you that the attacked which occurred then under the watch of Gatsha and Zwelithini were fueled by hate and jealousy that Mandela who happened to be a Xhosa was a first black president in SA?
Again in Marikane it is said its mainly Xhosas who incurred most of the casualties this happened under the watch of a Zulu national leaders.
in all this we try to swallow our pain and look forward to build this country cause we understand what liberation struggle was about and also for the sake of other educated and civilised Zulu ppl we don't want to indulge these neo Zulu tribalists who have entrenched themselves within the anc.
............................
Well, that was wrong. It is wrong if people hate people of other tribes. That is tribalism. I said this so many times now.
BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IF PEOPLE ARE PROUND OF THEIR OWN TRIBES. Zulus voted for both Mandela and Mbeki. I shown that they don't hate other tribes. In a case of Zuma, they support him over Mothlante because they are proud of him.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
skwamasamabele - "Yes the ANC is corrupt, Yes the ANC is not delivering. But, step back a bit, and tell me what the Nationalist govt did for all the people, except white people?"Are you trying to compare the apartheid government to the ANC government? The apartheid government was wrong, was it not so? So you will justify the current governments wrongs, by comparing them to apartheid governments wrongs?
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ skwamasamabeleI could've sworn I heard you say something - maybe it was fart escaping your sagging @ss!
Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@somaartakeitZulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Shredder@somaartakeit -
There was Mshenguville in Mofolo named after Ephraim Tshabalala.
Besides, there wouldn't have been because the bulldozers would have come within a day and do the Lenasia. Most of the people in Pretoria who live in the squatters come from their former Bantustans homelands, now renamed to Limpopo and Mpumalanga mainly.
-----------------------------------------------------
I don't know much about Soweto history iro to apartheid era, but what is of issue to me is that what is the anc regime is doing to change the picture, ie
Economic and education migrants which was the issue ito family destruction then and now?
Why do you guys always have to compare btwn apartheid and the anc? black ppl didn't vote for apartheid, but voted for the anc on the premise that they wld improve their lives for better, and we should have enough common sense as blacks to accept that the anc has FAILED in ALL of its MAJOR mandates and when we do, we must get the ball rolling and get a new gov that will deliver.
Report Abuse
Heavenlydevine
Not done Pezzy U TUUUUU TUUUU TU T TUUUU GO FTUUU TUUUU TTUUUU we don't wanna hear ur F TUUU tu tuuuuuuuu SHtuuuutuuuuuutuuu Ahhhhhhh now i am doneReport Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ HeavenlydevineYou've just been suffocated under an armpit - I feel sorry for deodrants!
Report Abuse
sgubhusenkwishi
"Bathathe Guluva"Report Abuse
Shredder
@-Cl!ck-@ Goat_Tra(th)
You're so low.. You climb up a ladder to get to the bottom..
===========================================================
Bathathe Click. LOL
Report Abuse
Heavenlydevine
@Goat_Trash-U have a lolipop head when u walk by a child daycare kids cry 4u....u stupid fizzpopReport Abuse
-Cl!ck-
This article is going to be blocked very soon.. Thanks to this urine called Goat_Tra(th)..@ Goat_Tra(th)
This name suites you, as you have been robbed off your front teeth.. Now it's time to (th)row out the tra(th)..
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ ShredderYour head is expired - more like the condom used when you were born!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Nyongoyamavenda @somaartakeitZulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane
------------------------------------------
Why not hide behind race and tribalism card to try deflect from the truth, I know that my truth is hard hitting even your leaders when I engage then they can't handle the facts cause they expect that all of us are following them around foolishly.
Now to qualify my argument about 'national zulu leaders' which you quoted to conveniently.
What did King Goodwill Zwelithini do when iNkatha mainly Zulu warlords went on a rampage in GP prior to the first democratic election, besides accepting bribes from the anc in return to develop Zulu votes to the ANC at the time? even right now he is being funded so he can deliver Zulu votes to keep ZUma in power, how is this ethical? How should I as a non Zulu respect these Zulu leaders who clearly are lacking on ethics?
Gatsha had to be given a ministerial post in the Mandela gov otherwise the slaughter in GP back then would have continued, and what did he do iro his responsibility in thsi portfolio to make this portfolio benefit the country and for the millions he siphoned frm tax payers as a result of his quota position?
and btw don't you go flattering yourself into thinking I care to engage on this forum with the weakminded such as yourself, I don't address you unless you address my comments, which you should not be reading cause it is clear htey are above your average level of comprehension.
Report Abuse
Laqasha
Confucius saysPeople support the Dancing One, idiots!
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, you just don't seem to get it. Just tell me, if a Zulu man rapes you, will you still be proud of him just because he is Zulu?Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ HeavenlydevineI'm sorry, but I think you're mistaking me for someone who gives a sh!t what your lame story is all about - Wake me up on the left side of the master-bed when you're done - your mom will be on the right-hand side!
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Nyongoyamavenda@somaartakeit
Zulu national leaders? I have always suspekted that u r racist n tribalist I rest my case what you are saying now diqualfies you from further engaging with me, you get in insane
.........................
You see now? This is kind of pride I was talking about.
================================================================
@-Cl!ck-............Fokof, man. We know you the same person as Goat_Tra(th)
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-I dipped zinger-wings in your mother's v!rgina and fed them to you! - no wonder you sound so screwed!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
anyway I am going to the thread Zuma lied not that its a surprise that he lied he always lies and he is not very clever to make his lies believable and also an uneducated person can not succeed in lying to the educated ppl cause educated ppl deal on facts, so Zuma must accept that he is useless even in lying.Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ Mkabayi-kaJamaThat's correct you imbicle - just like your left and right breasts - happy now?
Report Abuse
Shredder
@Goat_Trash@ Shredder
Your head is expired - more like the condom used when you were born!
=============================================================
LOL. I am no match for you Goat_Trash, Click will sort you out.
Report Abuse
imfene
somaartakeit" I am sick to death listening and reading about their past I want to hear about current and the future."
And that goes for future information on ALL parties, not just the ANC, The media stands accused.
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Tra(th)I love you..
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ -Cl!ck-Good - now f**k me with your elbow - your d!ck has been amputated!
Report Abuse
justsaying.net
zuma is not my president. just now they finalized the protection of info bill, which means if we vote this idiot in, its gon be real outcheaReport Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ imfeneShush - it's time for your medication (anti-freeze injection)!
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ justsaying.netAre those your eyeballz? - I found them floating in my soup!
Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Gaot_Tra(th)I can't.. Because your butt is leaking k@k..
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
TheTrueWordThere is no surprise as to why JZ wants the second term so desperately. Everyone would do so if there were prospects of them going to court to answer 783 corruption, fraud, racketeering, etc. charges.
-----------------------------------------
the anc are guilty of colluding with zuma his corruption escapades that is why I strongly call on civilised SAns to vote anc out of power so we can do house cleaning and have all the corrupt locked up and we take their houses and sell them so we can recover our national money stolen from us.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ somaartakeitYou're starting to annoy me now - or is that your marinate perfume?
Report Abuse
Mapage
People we mas no Uzuma is a President. we mas encourage him to fight tenderprenuer in limpopo that r currently prevailingReport Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ MapageIt's a plastic surgeon you need - not a doctor or even witch-craft for that matter!
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12Mkabayi-kaJama, you just don't seem to get it. Just tell me, if a Zulu man rapes you, will you still be proud of him just because he is Zulu?
...................................................................................
Zulus are proud of their tribe, but it doesn't mean they are proud of each and every Zulu. 96% of black American voters voted for Obama, but it doesn't mean that same amount would vote for a black rapist. Zuma is not only a Zulu, but he has other things as well that Zulus are proud of him for. He understands politics, he has leadership qualities and he spent 10 years in prison for our freedom.
Report Abuse
Mapage
why should we keep on supporting motlanthe whose currently siding with the tenderpernuers. look now posts are no longer advertised in limpopo and people r loitering. what about their qualifications and familiesReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mapage you are only worried about tenderpreneuring against your enemies in Limpopo how many tenderpreneurign takes place in his own province? who was given tender to build his 245mil security? is it a guy from Limpopo? you see whilst ppl like you fight corruption conveniently you fail to realise that your actions contribute to what's politically wrong in this country, and in anycase Zuma is himself a corrupt so how is he going to have courage to fight against other corrupts? We are tired of your calls for hte anc to continue using our resources to fight political scores, Malema and the LImpopo lot is your problem not ours I dont' see why as a tax payer I am having to pay tax to have him subjudicated by Zuma camp, this is BS!!!Report Abuse
SharpSharp
They can produce as many albums as they want, but that doesnt make him a good leader actually he is the worse ever produced by the ANCReport Abuse
Goat_Trash
- 6 minutes remaining -Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
Good descendants of Shaka kaSenzangakhona, stop wasting your breath and time with little minnows like somaartake it. She is a self-confessed bitter and jealous tribalist from the EC. Luckily she does not represent the majority view of the wonderful people from the EC. She feels naturally threatened by the mighty Zulus.@somaartakeit,
umuncu wenamfazi ndini. udinga indoda to reduce your stress levels. uMkabayi kaJama ubeqinisile ngempela. ngingakusiza mina, namhlanje futhi. inamba yami ithi 0795676602.
Zuma My President. Zuma My Struggle Hero. Come Mangaung Come....
Thatha Msholozi Thatha.....
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Makabayi you should not purpote yourself as speaking for and on behalf of Zulu nation cause most educated Zulu I interact with politically and socially are ASHAMED of Zuma most also believe that he raped Khozi cause they tell me he is that type of a character, and as these ppl are against any kind of human rights violation they don't think Zuma is a right leader for SA not even a 'Zulu Kingdom' often refered to here by other Zulu tribalists. Also Zuma is a not a leader but an opportunist and manipulator abusing his culture to siphon our tax to feather his harem and any self respecting persons Zulu or not will be against such a person,Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ Goat_Tra(th)What do you mean 6mins?.. I thought v!agra lasted longer than 5 hours.. *That's what happens when you introduce cows to Ultramel*.. I blame Kenny Khunene
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mgwijikhwebu@somaartakeit,
umuncu wenamfazi ndini. udinga indoda to reduce your stress levels. uMkabayi kaJama ubeqinisile ngempela. ngingakusiza mina, namhlanje futhi. inamba yami ithi 0795676602.
-----------------------------------------
Sies do you think I want to be infected with aids? besides andilali no jwabelina mna ndilala nendoda ndo!!!
Report Abuse
Mapage
My intention to call for zuma for president is ' cause there is no leader to can flag us to good leadership. Uzuma is good however as a human being is having his mistakes. we mas learn to understand the strategic mission that uzuma is using.Report Abuse
Uncompromising
Those 2 idiots dancing with Zuma will have to answer a lot of question when the ANC collapses just like the National Party. Especially the fat one !Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mapage Zuma is manipulative, foolish, liar, and corrupt so how can you say he is good as a leader? You are right though there is no one in the anc with integrity or sound moral values and ethics who can lead this country hence many call for CHANGE!!!!Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
-Cl!ck-Other than being disgusting,irritating,stupid and smelly, your actually quite okay - I'm sure your IQ level wouldn't register a thing what I just said to you hey?
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ UncompromisingYou never slow down to think, I guess it's too painful to spend time with your own thoughts.
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
@ MapageYou can use my underwear as your "just married" sign - after all, you'd be k!ssing my @ss!
Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
- 2 minutes remaining -Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@UncompromisingThose 2 idiots dancing with Zuma will have to answer a lot of question when the ANC collapses just like the National Party. Especially the fat one !
---------------------------------------
LOVL I was also looking at the fat guy he sure doesn't look bright, but he like Mgwijikhwebu is prolly a paid puppet, what this fools don't seem to realise is that they are paid bribes with a fraction of what is actually theirs, the anc doesn't own the money it uses to buy puppets some of which are blogging here, when Malema and his friends were given the tenders in order to praise sing Zuma and his corrupt admin little did that little puppet know is that once he falls out with them the money will be taken, whereas if he campaigned for a right cause such as a school, clinic, roads, hospitals etc he'd have empowered millions of SAns who are now disenfranchised by the anc corruption,
If I was single I wouldn't date anc men they seem to lack in the way of thinking (and big on reckless sex and always threatening women on these blogs with sex if they have opposing views to them, they are like rapists) logically and intelligibly for them to think that Zuma is a leadership material show state of mental poverty, can you imagine what corrupted braincells they would pass on their offspring?
Report Abuse
Doggmatix
Is this how he wants to win votes,by singing and dancing? The hypocrisy of the South African Democracy...Report Abuse
VhoMuofhe
Bunch of Zulu idiots, never vote for the ANC ever again in your lifetime as long as this Zulu idiot is at the helm of it.Report Abuse
Goat_Trash
Zanzibar is stunning today - lovely weather - pina colada soothing every scent in the body. What more can you ask for?@ SH!T-FACES addressed by me today
Go f**k yourselves in the @ss with your thumbs until your nails break off!
.............................Disconnecting.............................
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Makabayi you should not purpote yourself as speaking for and on behalf of Zulu nation cause most educated Zulu I interact with politically and socially are ASHAMED of Zuma most also believe that he raped Khozi cause they tell me he is that type of a character, and as these ppl are against any kind of human rights violation they don't think Zuma is a right leader for SA not even a 'Zulu Kingdom' often refered to here by other Zulu tribalists. Also Zuma is a not a leader but an opportunist and manipulator abusing his culture to siphon our tax to feather his harem and any self respecting persons Zulu or not will be against such a person,
........................................
Well, I'm educated and I know a lot of educated Zulu people who are proud of Zuma. Look, you are a Xhosa person, people will fake hate Zuma when they talk to you just to make you happy and not call them tribalists. I also do that when I'm with Sotho people here in PTA. I mean, numbers from KZN can just tell you the majority of Zulu people support him
Again, Zuma was never found guilty of rape by any court. He was accused and won the case.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
Mgwijikhwebu@somaartakeit,
umuncu wenamfazi ndini. udinga indoda to reduce your stress levels. uMkabayi kaJama ubeqinisile ngempela. ngingakusiza mina, namhlanje futhi. inamba yami ithi 0795676602.
....................
ha ha ha ha....Didn't I tell you?
Report Abuse
Uncompromising
MapageMy intention to call for zuma for president is ' cause there is no leader to can flag us to good leadership. Uzuma is good however as a human being is having his mistakes. we mas learn to understand the strategic mission that uzuma is using.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Definitely not an Ayoba statement. Zuma's strategy ( if you have been in a coma Mapage ), is to rob us all and then we will forced to let him marry our sisters just to get monthly groceries. That is what the in-laws do mos !?
Report Abuse
s.cold
VhoMuofheBunch of Zulu idiots, never vote for the ANC ever again in your lifetime as long as this Zulu idiot is at the helm of it.
================================================================
MAVHELE,,,VAVAVUM,,,NAVY PERSON
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mkabayi-kaJamasomaartakeit
@Makabayi
"Well, I'm educated and I know a lot of educated..." you? educated? LOVL you do have a wicked sense of humor.
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, Public Works have admitted that they have spent over R200 mil of our tax money on Zuma's home while the ministerial handbook only allows for R 100 000 for security upgrade. What more do you need?Report Abuse
UKUFA!
We must be the only democracy where the president was not elected by the tax payers.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi-kaJamaoldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tjo the plank thickens, please dear get someone to translate comment from Oldlady when you do you will realise that there are no accusation but facts which have been reported and argued here and on other platforms diligently, eish maar Angie and Blade naze nasenza nge OBE.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@UKUFA!We must be the only democracy where the president was not elected by the tax payers.
------------------------------
I have no doubt in my mind that will change in the up coming elections, many SA (ie educated ones and well reasons and balanced) they don't want Zuma as president again, its only the corrupt within teh anc who are vouching for this corrupt buffoon.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - Please stop comparing JZ to Obama.95% of black Americans voted Obama, not because he is black, but because he is a worthy president. Mitt Romney alienated black and hispanic voters during the elections with some of his gaffs.
But please, Obama is a worthy candidate, JZ is not. 95% of people didnt vote for Obama, because he is black, but because he is a worthy leader. In South Africa, fools vote for JZ, just because he is black.
And that is what you are trying to do. Have people support JZ, just because of his colour.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - "I mean, numbers from KZN can just tell you the majority of Zulu people support him"And thats EXACTLY the point. Zulu folks (majority in the country), dont support JZ because of his competence. They support JZ, merely because he is a Zulu.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Sin and also in SA its a couple of thousand ppl who voted Zuma not majority blacks, majority blacks voted brand anc which they believed could be turned around to its former respectable self, now they realise that the thieves occupying it are engrossed into every sphere of it and are quickly infecting it with all that is bad. But if you judge by the commentary here an on other news outlets you will see that many even the previously die hard anc are now against it, so to say even assume that Zuma will build the anc is a joke of sad proportions,I also its an attempt at insulting Obama to compare him with that corrupt philandering unable to read buffoon.
Report Abuse
Mapage
Look at Limpopo Department of Public Works, Education and Treasury on what is happening. how can a person who have done criminology head the department. do we think that continously so the department will keep on being underadministration. thats why i said second term for uzuma so as to eradicate the prevailing struggle of finance in limpopo. his intervention through the use of madonsela is required. why should the residance of limpopo suffer of these few minoritiesReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mapage so what all gov departments not ONLY limpopo are corrupted by Zuma it was corrupt of him to ask for the Dept of works (was it to give him money to build his Nkandla compound, the corrupt in other provinces learn from him cause as the leader he projects corrupt examples for his ministers and followers alike to follow.wena you just want to divert and cause smokescreens, I have already told your anc cadre Makabayi and other gwijikwembu that you need brains to be able to divert effectively in yours and ZUma's case you have non therefore you are unmasked and exposed for pathetic liars and diversions that you are, you do not have a shred of dignity or self respect left to tell the truth even if its only once in your sorry existence.
Report Abuse
Illuminated10111
The world says: "You have needs -- satisfy them. You have as much right as the rich and the mighty. Don't hesitate to satisfy your needs; indeed, expand your needs and demand more." This is the worldly doctrine of today. And they believe that this is freedom. The result for the rich is isolation and suicide, for the poor, envy and murder.”― Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Report Abuse
s.cold
UKUFA!===========================
IGAMA ELINJANI LELI
UZOFA NGEMPELA UMA UYISILIMA SON
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
!#Sinudeity#!Mkabayi-kaJama - Please stop comparing JZ to Obama.
95% of black Americans voted Obama, not because he is black, but because he is a worthy president. Mitt Romney alienated black and hispanic voters during the elections with some of his gaffs.
But please, Obama is a worthy candidate, JZ is not. 95% of people didnt vote for Obama, because he is black, but because he is a worthy leader. In South Africa, fools vote for JZ, just because he is black.
And that is what you are trying to do. Have people support JZ, just because of his colour.
..........................................
Well, it is all about pride, man. It is all about pride. Americans did it for pride and we are doing it for pride.
Report Abuse
Mkabayi-kaJama
somaartakeit@Mkabayi-kaJama
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, 10 yrs in prison for our freedom? True. So did hundreds of others. Leadership qualities? I think it's more a case of his followers having excellent follower qualities. Understanding politics? If you believe that, then you obviously also believe that politics are all about enriching on self, so that would give him excellent political qualities yes. On the other hand, political experts the world over, from the left and the right, agree that if Zuma had political qualities (as the rest of the world knows it), he would have put an immediate stop to further spending on his private home. That would have bought him many, many votes, but alas, right now self enrichment is more important than votes. He knows he will get Mangaung, so he doesn't care how many votes it costs the ANC. It will give him at least 2 more yrs to continue his self enrichment schemes.
......................................................................
Well, only if you can prove to me these accusations.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tjo the plank thickens, please dear get someone to translate comment from Oldlady when you do you will realise that there are no accusation but facts which have been reported and argued here and on other platforms diligently, eish maar Angie and Blade naze nasenza nge OBE.
...............................
Well, Zuma is not arrested. If these are facts, he should be in jail by now.
Report Abuse
Rragwe
zulus cannot do anything good,the only thing they know is fight and danceReport Abuse
Kone
One of the greatest story teller(author) Chinua Achebe, He wrote in his book man of the people.I guess i don`t have to say more!...
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,I wish you could have given me a try first before jumping into wrong conclusions. I am definitely not jwabelin. But I have heard men with amajwabu kuthiwa amnandi. Uzame bo nawe sana.
I am laughting at the term though. You have just made my day.
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Mkabayi-kaJama, you're right, he should be in jail because those are the facts. Glad you're starting to see the light. Choose another Zulu if you feel it has to be a Zulu, but for pride's sake, make it a worthy one this time. I do believe your tribe has 1 000's of worthy men.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Mkabayi-kaJama - "Well, it is all about pride, man. It is all about pride. Americans did it for pride and we are doing it for pride."ROFLOL!!!
Are you actually proud of JZ?!
You are ignorant. Bottomline, and shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mkabayi the court could not take precise decision cause they knew that anc warlords who might themselves have been rapists whilst in exile or are still rapists now would have gone on a rampage cause really on the Kwezi rape case it was a clear cut case that a typical dominant males were correcting her for being a lesbian they thought it was their job to do so, like the ones who are threatening me with sex cause to them I talk too much, unfortunately for them its not possible to rape someone on the internet forum, wonders of the western magic now I am safe they can only threaten me and expose themselves as sex preditors that they are. Now to concl Zuma male supporters and those godzilla look 'n like in the anc wing intimidated the judge the courts failed the victim of violent crime but then Khwezi is not the only one violent crime victim who was failed by the courts of law in Sa that's why I say SAn women and children are not free from the rapists even the courts fail to protect the vulnerable, the only reason the courts are acting on Dewani case its cause the int'l community is following the case as the victim was from 1st world where human rights are observed and espoused not from some jungle country where a macho male can pick and grab a female from the pack he wishes to molest to prove his masculinity, jeesus SAn men sometimes you just disgust the hell out of me.I don't get turned on by a men who keep mentions his penis in every sentence, its so creepy you anc males need to find other civlised pick up lines, you always look and talk to women that are strangers in a lustful manner, you are repulsive not sexy.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@gwijikwembu the last para on the above msg was to you. You and Makabayi need to stop putting too much emphasis on the genitalia just we are going to start thinking that's where your brains are located,Report Abuse
KEKGATHETSE
Sshhhh... i would like to pray...” Baba..I am very, very, very sorry for having had voted for the ANC in the past.please forgive me. I repent.. amen’Report Abuse
TheTrueWord
Baningi o Theleweni kule blog and they call themselves ANC comrades. Nxaaa!Report Abuse
s.cold
Rragwezulus cannot do anything good,the only thing they know is fight and dance
==================================================
MARETE
Report Abuse
oldlady12
Somaartakeit, but it is where their brains are located and to top it off, when the front skin was cut off, gone was most of the brain too.Report Abuse
Msiphos00
Hope tomorrow will be another day and no more stories about ZumaEnjoy the rest of the day
Report Abuse
imfene
KEKGATHETSELOL, mistakes are the only real educators. Forgiven my friend.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@imfeneKEKGATHETSE
LOL, mistakes are the only real educators. Forgiven my friend.
------------------------
lol so you are the father he was praying to hence you are forgiving him? or you are the messenger?
mina the way I see it if he can learn from his mistakes then perhaps it was a good experience.
Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
@somaartakeit,Point taken. Meant no offence nkosazane. Just joking with my intelligent African sister.
Ubusuku benzolo. Ayitholane futhi nakusasa. Bathi okungapheli kuyahlola.
Report Abuse
KEKGATHETSE
@imfemesomaartakeit
lol i was not praying for me alone. you are also included. we were all duped
Report Abuse
imfene
Yes, true. We all walk the same path.We all are part of the same ship.Report Abuse
Thinawise
where will this end? Zuma please step down before you are pushed out.Politics are like a soccer team,if the management is tired of you,they just fire you.Mbeki was pushed out badly and you dont want something like tat to happen to you.I do understand you wanted this presidency badly but you had 5 years already,give someone another chance.I remember Mandela in times like this.The president of this country is always on papers for all the wrong reasons, there is no difference between jz and kenny kunene....
Zuma just step down.......
Report Abuse
NICEBOOBS
ZUMA JOU MOER MAAN - WE ARE SICK & TIRED OF YOUReport Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
Thinaswise,You step down first
Report Abuse
FarCeSpotter
I bet you Malema is very sore. He also wanted to follow in JZ's corrupt footsteps. He was already tasting the fruit of his useless labour. He knew exactly how the the Zuma cadres operated - hence he voted for him in Polokwane in 2007.But he got way to greedy. He could not wait for Zuma to fill up at the trough - no he had to get there sooner. So he ended up in "exile" hahahaha
Now he is running to Bob Zanu. hahaha
But I guess Zuma knows that there are many more suckers in Mangaung. All he he has to do is to dazzle them with dance and the job is done. hahahah
Report Abuse
Tango
Dark or Blue, he is coming back in Mangaung and in 2014Report Abuse
Read all 395 comments