jacob bond must be fired, this is indeed enough, the ANC and the alliance partners must save us from this moron, he lied in the national assembly man, he's taking us for grunted! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Pointman
Now what will Mac Maharaj say. Covering Zuma's @rse is a very demanding job. But Mac being a fiddler himself has had enough practice - no doubt he will come up with something. You don't need a bond when you are "borrowing" non repayable loans from the Treasury. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
tman992000
MARE PEOPLE, I THERE NAME OF HATING T-MAN YOU POLOKWANE MORONS GAVE US THIS MORON, YERRRR MAN Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
Die kort bene :)
Did he REALLY think nobody would check up? It is quite insulting how stupid our president thinks we all are Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
hulas
Another own goal by Zoooomer.So Mr president you were lying.Should showerman survive mangaung we the opposition we will not have to work hard to persuade voters to vote against anc. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
rahima
The king's clothes are falling off. Soon he will be naked. Poor kangaman, showerhead, 783. Those Polokwane morons must please fix this next month. This guy is taking us all down. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Stumtum
@TLekota do you mean he might have a bond on somebody else's name on a property owned by somebody else's Trust? Interesting. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
candilious
@MommaC-Morning no he knew their would check it out ,but he willcome out victoriously watch. he planned this to the "T" thats why he is demanding respect..............ek ryk n vrot rot iewers Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
ApelMankotsana
TLekota..How can he take a bond on someone's else names ? The fact is that you cannot take on a property you do not own, so surely Jacob Zuma could not have taken any bond on the property as it is owned by Ingonyama Trust...
The sooner we remove Zuma from being the president the more we will save our country from embarrasment. He is just a liablity. No wonder the ANC Political Caucus committee prevented a motion of no confidence deabte to go through the National Assembly... Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
candilious
He can 'demand' until he grows hair on his teeth - not gonna happen.
I wonder how Mr Bond, Jacob's Bond, is going to spin this? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
But we all knew (except the blind loyal ones) that he was lying. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
ILLUMINATED
FORKED TONGUE
@Pointman: Maharaj could not say anything when City Press engaged him regarding this matter. He's not even sure when he could comment. I reas the story from City Press and it's quite disturbing. Nkandla is opening a can of worms. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
candilious
@MommaC- Yip we all knew he was lying i just wonder how he thought he would get away with it . Shame reading about who leading ahead of Manuang and the blind followers still have pass over their eyes Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Mdala
I will wait for Zuma's response before commenting on this issue but me thinks opposition is getting personal with Zuma Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
candilious
Can't wait for DJ to bring his goldfish bowl and explain this one :) Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Mdala - Methinks Zuma is getting personal with our tax monies. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
hulas
Wow Mdala we have absolutely nothing against Zooooomer.We asked the question about his compound and he emotionally gave answers in parliament.And now it looks like he was lying. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
cornelius
The idiot is so stupid he did not know it is possible to check these things. Away with this moron , give us a real leader, with intelligence, honesty and dignity. If the ANC cannot give the country such a person, it must hand over the government. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MoNati
@Mdala
So its the opposition's fault that he is a liar and a thief. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
GODESS
Ao! mara zooma hle, ga o lape ke di scandal mara? just step down on your own i dont see you surviving this term. hmhm Report Abuse
I dont think Zuma will be that stupid to say something like that in public & expect it not to be checked. Lot of people are after his head I am sure the paper made up the story, Report Abuse
South Africa is the most corrupt country in the world!
1. President is corrupt and gets away with it
2. President sleeps with his friends daughters and jumps from bed to bed
3. His manhood is on display in galleries
4. Ministers are also corrupt
5. Police head takes bribe and dines with drug dealers
6. Traffic cops are corrupt
7. Municipal workers are con artists
8 .the women are drug mules
9. The home affairs is a den of corruption
How this country is never voted as the most corrupt in the world is a travesty of justice Report Abuse
For the anc to still support this excuse of a human being just shows that the whole lot of them are corrupt. Even if they elect someone else they will just be changing the mafia boss. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
candilious - Morning candi, hope you had a good weekend. Urg, enjoy the monday. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@candilious
MommaC- Yip we all knew he was lying i just wonder how he thought he would get away with it . Shame reading about who leading ahead of Manuang and the blind followers still have pass over their eyes.
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Morning Candy.
The man tells the truth ma.lol
Yoh, Zuma was very angry that day. I thought he was going to punch the 'tea lady' on a face. I never seen him angry that before...ha ha ha ha.....
Anyway, he did explain and it shown that DA did not have enough information. It had its butts kicked again. Mazibuko nearly cried after an explaination...LOL Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Mgaraji
The deed document for the property showed that the Ingonyama Trust was the owner.
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These newspaper and suburb people are out of touch with the recent developments in rural areas. Banks do finance house/home under the INgonyama Trust land. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
swona - Hehe, or maybe some dodgy dudes sold Zuma a piece of land fraudulently. Someone pulled a Lenasia on Jacob :P Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
We dont say our president is telling no truth but have to wait till the truth comes out ,so please my reverends stop preaching asseblief and wait till then. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Right-Back-Khumalo - Is that how the story played out in your mind? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MSG_S
Lies that are similar to those of a 7year old child who was never tought any manners. Lies borne of utmost desperation. He fought his battles against his political foes and won. Now he is facing the mighty enemy in the of media. There is no way that he grapple with this enemy he is facing now. The only way that can save him is to come clean. Maybe we can say he borrowed some few grands from Afican Bank and maybe we can humbly consider that. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
Mgaraji
The banks won't give a bond on a property without the legal owner's permission and INgonyama Trust has no knowledge of any bond on that property. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
RobinX
OK Now let's watch the fat one stand and waggle his pudgy finger PW Botha style again whilst reassuringly lying to our faces. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Right-Back-Khumalo
!#Sinudeity#!
Right-Back-Khumalo - Is that how the story played out in your mind?
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Not only me, but the opposition parties seemed impressed. Bantu_ Holomisa clapped for Zuma, did you see that? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
candilious
@Kata- Only to those who cannot tell the difference of truth & lies. The manner in how addresses for 1 shows he has no character whatsoever.
But we already know that right
@Sin will doo dont strain urself its only Maandag Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
candilious
@Robin- Halo
@Kata -i am not sure are you being serious or just ruffing a few feathers .The whole lot ANC does not know what TRUTH means Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
SLY007
@TLekota
Regrettably, there is no way that a land which belongs to a trust can be bonded. If tyhis was the case, I would have certainly gone to my ancestral land to lodge a claim and subsequently bond it and would be rich without lifting a finger. This spells out a naked truth that our Emperor is so naked even the spear does not begin to describe his nakedness. Our sitting President is a pathological liar. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Mgaraji
MommaC
Mgaraji
The banks won't give a bond on a property without the legal owner's permission and INgonyama Trust has no knowledge of any bond on that property.
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Nedbank approved bond for my brother on the land owned by INgonyama Trust. They only wanted Right to Occupy approved and signed by tribal authority. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Nkandla is financed by Vivian Reddy Financial Services and unathourised financial services provider. I wonder if the bond account is even FICAd Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Lehido
Ja ne....Our President is covered by a dark cloud, and his responses to questions leaves too much be disired......Is he an idiot or something? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
svavava
and we all know he'll say the bond is not in his name. Mac maharaj , just shut up this time , unless u were there when he took the bond or the bond is in your name. so Zuma u built Nkandla with yo family, who exactly in your family , your wives ?? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
Mgaraji
Yes, the legal owners had to give permission. The bank would not have given him the loan if he had not gotten the signed authority from the tribal authority. Now the tribal authority, in this case, has not done so. Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MUFARO
Durban businessman Vivian Reddy, who at one stage was personally involved in the funding of President Jacob Zumas Nkandla home, rallied to his defence amid allegations that the president might have misled Parliament when he claimed he had taken out a loan to finance the development of the sprawling residential.FROM IOL Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@MommaC
Die kort bene :)
Did he REALLY think nobody would check up? It is quite insulting how stupid our president thinks we all are
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He is going to lie again and say he was misquoted; seeing that is Maharaj's defence for his daily mess!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Winilen
I dont think Zuma will be that stupid to say something like that in public & expect it not to be checked. Lot of people are after his head I am sure the paper made up the story,
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He is.
He is used ot reading prepared spechees so this time he had to write his own and by the look of things he rehearsed it (never had to look at the paper and stutter as per usual his usual "giving spechees" Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
TLekota
Zuma is not really stupid. There are those who are desperate to remove him from office. I will not tell the truth even if it was me. Those bonds maybe in someone else's name.
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You can search the deeds database either using details of the individual whose name the bond is either using ID number or you can search using property details in which case bond details will be picked up regardless of who the bond holder is.
The bottom-line though is you cannot bond a property that does not belong to you without the owners consent as the property itself becomes surety in case of default, if there was a bond on the property Ingonyama Trust would not only have known about it but they would have been party to the loan agreement.
Our president is so doff he tells stupid lies that can be disproved in seconds, the man deliberately misled parliament. If the opposition did not have a strong enough argument for an impeachment Zuma has handed them his head on a platter, this is the most serious of charges Zuma could face and in a normal democracy this would cost him his job. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@Shredder
But we all knew (except the blind loyal ones) that he was lying.
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Precisely!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MSG_S
His tank of lies ran dry and ought to show his rage in parliament with the whole nation watching. No wonder he is so charming with ladies. He must watch out we are not all ladies nor gentlemanly sometimes. We all yearn for good life just like him, but not the way he's doing it. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter.
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No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Pointman
@MGEEZ
He is going to lie again and say he was misquoted; seeing that is Maharaj's defence for his daily mess!!!!-----------------------------------------------------------------
Maharaj must have had a torrid time this weekend coming up with a spin for this one. Zuma mentioned bank, bond, payment - not much wiggle room. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MalatengSec
Not only Zuma, ANC is also misleading its people...I think now is the time for SAfricans to stand up and fight for this country, our wealth and pride...lets educate ourselves, have more insight about politics...come election time majority of the ppl will definetely vote for ANC because that majority is illiterate,mislead. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
Between Nkandlagate and the unlawful dropping of corruption charges Zuma was facing someone at Luthuli House has Zuma by the balls and is squeezing tighter ever so slightly with every week that goes by. I laugh when people say don’t argue ANC politics using info from the media but they miss the point that it is ANC cadres and leaders that continuously use the media to fight personal battles by leaking damaging information on their enemies.
The Sunday Times expose on how the corruption charges were dropped is very, very damaging Zuma’s cronies are going to have their hands full trying to do damage control but this one is a killer. Even with the majority the ANC cannot keep protecting Zuma without doing irreparable damage to the party and what it stands for.
@MGEEZ-Spot on hahahahhahah i love it when they talk foreign Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
MGEEZ
That would work if we hadn't all SEEN it on tv.
Even if he got a personal loan from Reddy, that is not a bond. It is also very disturbing how our president is always so dependent on shady characters who keep helping him with 'car wash money'. We know very well how that turns out Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@Dzel
Thanks for the information; some people on this bl.og go out of their way to debate without knowledge which is really unfortunate. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
TrapStar
It was ok when you
1. Banged a Lady and became a well known Showerhead
2. Partnered with JM to defend you from Zille
3. Marrying 6 people using the state money
4. building a toilet worth 10milliono
Now you lying to our faces,what do you take us for????
Please Mangaung save our tax money Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
One thing worth mentioning is the Zuma Compound - yes I said compound which I suppose makes me racist - was initially built using funds received unlawfully and were central to the Shabier Sheik / Zuma corruption charges so it is fair to say it was built using proceeds of crime. He dodged that bullet so when it came time to extend the compound what does our president do, loot public coffers to have the work complete.
I don't understand how this man thinks, it is almost as if he is bound to make the wrong decision when left to his devices. Kanti what is wrong with this man... Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@MommaC
MGEEZ
That would work if we hadn't all SEEN it on tv.
Even if he got a personal loan from Reddy, that is not a bond. It is also very disturbing how our president is always so dependent on shady characters who keep helping him with 'car wash money'. We know very well how that turns out
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Well according to this story he is a shady character himself; if now he is going to lie under oath!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
RobinX
Hiya Candi: My my the blilnd followers are in full voice this morning. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
swona
he's making all sorts of mistakes everyday, we need help! if he survives Mangaung, it will be interesting to see how voters will react, pity Zille is just like Zuma for being power hungry, guess its African, who would have thought mugabe will still be president @2012? she has nothing better to offer anymore, but she hanging on to power, lekota is a dictator like Bond! Godi is a teacher not a politician, he needs a chalk! the rest are as useless as Khulubuse, he eats go to the loo and eat again! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
nzaco
MalatengSec
Not only Zuma, ANC is also misleading its people...I think now is the time for SAfricans to stand up and fight for this country, our wealth and pride...lets educate ourselves, have more insight about politics...come election time majority of the ppl will definetely vote for ANC because that majority is illiterate,mislead.
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this is way outrageous and condescending to the black majority,
There are people that want change within the Anc...unfortunately they dont have an alternative Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
DJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
malemaforpresident
Sound no surprise isn’t that the man is uneducated does he really know the meaning of a bond just to ask this time Thabo is lol Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Because the ANC is beyond solving the matter dude. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MSG_S
MGEEZ
No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House........
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ANC is going to back him on this matter, come rain or sunshine. He should have said the money came from this Tribal Authority and would have been backed-up by them, surely.
The only politician I could have trust is the one who was a Premier of one of those provinces up country, who said it is ok for politicians to lie to the people ( therefore we can trust anything he says that it is infact untrue).
I see on a story on IOL Vivian Reddy claims to have lent Zuma the money ... this animal farm keeps going from bad to worse.
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“I’m very close to Nkandla. I lent the president the money to pay for the first phase and he paid it back. Now he has taken a new bond,” Reddy told The Mercury on Sunday.
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OK ... but that contradicts what Zuma told parliament and I quote:
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“I took the decision to expand my home and I built my home with more rondavels, more than once. And I fenced my home. And I engaged the bank and I’m still paying a bond on my first phase of my home.”
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Does Vivian own a bank, is he a bank or did he take out a bond in Zuma’s name?
The more they try to contain this the more ridiculous the lies become especially when they are contradicting each other so badly they look like a bunch of buffoons. This Zuma Freak Show goes on.
Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
swona
if he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Shredder
DJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey?
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When you rad his comments you would think its either Keith Khoza or Jackson Mthembu blogging
@Tasto_
Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !!
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Lol Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
Tasto_
Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !!
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LOL ... its like these guys don't know when to stop, when you caught out it is better to limit the damage instead of digging yourself deeper into a hole. But no, Zuma just keeps on digging I am sure even his staunchest of supporters must be giving up by now.
He may win in Mangaung still because the ANC votes based on different vested interest but come 2014 there will be serious blood on the electoral floor - not literally of course - I am actually hoping Zuma wins so they will fell the full force of our disgust, as Lumka Yengeni said i-ANC isiqhela kakubi.
Vivian Reddy has come out in defense of Zuma claiming he borrowed our Compound master the money. My question is, how the hell does Mr Reddy become a bank so fast? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MGEEZ
@Candy
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter.
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No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
@Dzel - Your last line abt a week ago someone ebendirhabulisa inside happenings jsut like u said its CRISIS of gigantic proportions.I think he has finished anc and they know it!!
@!#Sinudeity#!
Dzel - Like my dad always says, if you are in trouble...
Stop digging.
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Good advise that; how I wish Maharaj could pass the same to the president!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
swona
if he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan?
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The reason it is called a bond is the loan has to be registered at the deeds office at a cost and then the property gets bonded and this info will come up when you try selling the house; this is to protect the buyer, bank and owner of the property as the bank effectively owns the property until fully paid.
A personal loan is an unsecured loan and the bank has no rights so-to-speak on the property therefore a personal loan cannot be called a bond. All things said and done Zuma did himself in when he mentioned a bank and a bond, he can't spin his way out of this and he can't wake up tomorrow and invent a bond as it takes months to have a bond registered. He told a stupid lie basically. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MGEEZ
No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are suggesting that we should ignore the fact that he said he engaged the bank and he has a bond on the property that he is still paying? Or ignore the fact that the neither the bank nor the deed's office has records of this bond??? Which one in your opinion we must disregard or ignore? Because if we take all the information at our disposal and use a reasonable men test; he is guilty as sin!!!! And I dare say that no court with the same facts will reach a different conclusion; unless the facts changes, in which case that would be a new debate for another day!!! Please let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears; you'll be amazed by the results Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
Tasto_
@Dzel - Your last line abt a week ago someone ebendirhabulisa inside happenings jsut like u said its CRISIS of gigantic proportions.I think he has finished anc and they know it!!
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Heita Tasto, please remind me what I said and what were you told, sounds interesting. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
P4T
It is probable that Zuma's thinking and modus operundi around all his issues with the law, state resources, morality, etc. is that, to the extent that he still has the support of his tripartate comrades, no one will ever touch him - neither the law, parliament, opposition parties, the media nor the public. For now his strategy is working well for him because those comrades who support him still need something from him. Wait till he is no longer relevant to them or he fails to deliver goods and promises to them, they will be the first ones to pull daggers against him.
Point of example to illustrate this is Julius Malema. It is therefore envisaged that Zuma may well be handled effectively by the very same supporters and comrades who are protecting him right now.
That's just the dirt and stench that is filled with politics. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Batho ba Modimo! Ke swabile! I knew it when Zuma was speaking in parliament that someone was going to investigate. This is really a shame for the ANC and the country. The Zuma-led ANC leadership seems to be in suicide mode. They are going to stick with their man regardless of the damage to the ANC and the country. While ANC branches are still deliberating on the issue of leadership, Sdumo Dlamini has the temerity to ask Kgalema Motlanthe to withdraw from the contest. Dlamini must respect ANC branches. ANC branches must not be undermined by people who cannot act in the interest of the ANC and the country. It is time for ANC to assert their democratic rights in terms of the ANC constitution and rid the ANC and the country of this embarassment. Mangaung has to turn a new page for the ANC and the country. ANC members are really up to their tether. It appears that Jacob Zuma has been lying to parliament, the ANC and the public. It is time for parliament to call him to order. If he had any semblance of integrity left in him, he would resign immediately but knowing him he would soldier on like nothing happened. It is also time for disciplianry processes of the ANC to kick in, for this man has only brought the ANC into disrepute. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Kon-Tiki
I am going to give JG Zuma (the COO of the song, dance and shawa batalion) the benefit of the doubt. Banks do give out loans to people building on Tribal Trust Land but they do not bond them. JG Zuma might have taken out a loan to build his house and due to his level of literacy mistakes the personal loan to a bond. Because a personal loan is not treated anything close to a bonded loan there are no records from any deeds office. There would not have been any property to have been conveyanced in the Nkandla compound (pardon my racism) for City Press researchers to lay their hands on. The President probably took out a personal loan knowing pretty well that he has personal funders who will service his loan as and when they get business from his government. There you have it. Do I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@swona
@Dzel
swona
if he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan?
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The reason it is called a bond is the loan has to be registered at the deeds office at a cost and then the property gets bonded and this info will come up when you try selling the house; this is to protect the buyer, bank and owner of the property as the bank effectively owns the property until fully paid.
A personal loan is an unsecured loan and the bank has no rights so-to-speak on the property therefore a personal loan cannot be called a bond. All things said and done Zuma did himself in when he mentioned a bank and a bond, he can't spin his way out of this and he can't wake up tomorrow and invent a bond as it takes months to have a bond registered. He told a stupid lie basically.
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As a matter of fact to add to what Dzel is has said: that is what blade is trying to do (spin doctor ) the situation by pleading that the president did not know the difference due to his ignorance in that regard!!!! But I must say; that would only work to those who are refusing to think for themselves. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Moffdat
Heita Zuma Heita.
Working for your own pockets and the progress of Nkandla heita. Take and consume till there is nothing left Mmsholozi my man. You owe your loyalties to no-one least of all the electorate. Do you my big pimpin, taxpayer spending, R200.00 homestead having... Baller!!! Do you pimp daddy Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
@Dzel - no won't elaborate maar there is a sense of acknowledgement even from ppl inside that the organization is finished unless something is done!!After Mangaung anc is gonna face an onsalught it neva seen b4 from all front especially internationally.The blackmailing or playing victim of JZ is gonna be the biggest liability to SA!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Thitanwi
The more they try to explain the funding of Pres Zuma's Nkandla residence, the more confusing it gets and more questions come up. Maybe the president should just provide proof for his "bond" with a bank, for peace sake. It does not look like this issue will go away any time soon. Mr Vivian Reddy's statement is not helping the matter either. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Winilen
Zuma really dug his own grave this time... Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Mangoz
he is a president, he is a maphia, he is "the spear", he is "shower man", and now ur trying to tell us he is a "liar", no!! i refuse to believe that one, zuma we want proof. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Ma-Bhova
@Kon-Tiki
Do I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president?
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If Zuma could read and was a blogger then am sure you have got a tender to install toilets at the Nkandla residence's cause you also talking bull now. or maybe a tender to wipe Khulubuse Zuma. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Lemtongthai
I am going to give JG Zuma (the COO of the song, dance and shawa militia) the benefit of the doubt. Banks do give out loans to people building on Tribal Trust Land but they do not bond them. JG Zuma might have taken out a loan to build his house and due to his level of literacy mistakes the personal loan to a bond. Because a personal loan is not treated anything close to a bonded loan there are no records from any deeds office. There would not have been any property to have been conveyanced in the Nkandla compound (pardon my racism) for City Press researchers to lay their hands on. The President probably took out a personal loan knowing pretty well that he has personal funders who will service his loan as and when they get business from his government. There you have it. Do I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MSG_S
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Criminals. Elected by criminals. They will put him infront there as a stooge or let say human-shield. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Shredder
DJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey?
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LOL. Very true. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
ShanMo
If Reddy had given Mr Zuma the load to build his house, Zuma is required by law to list that on the parliamentary register. Another easy one for clever journalists to check up on! Me thinks he is digging his hole even deeper! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
Winilen
Zuma really dug his own grave this time...
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Did you guys see the revelations about how his case was dropped by NPA?
Zuma finds himself in a difficult corner under attack from all angles and the charges are so serious even the ANC cannot save him this time, Zuma is so deep in it I don't see him surviving. The DA will win its case to have the motion of no confidence debated in parliament, Zuma will be under a sustainable attack he won't survive the debate plus the knives are out for him from within his party this is checkmate.
Zuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
Mark Twain "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it
and remove all doubt".
PS - If I was president was gonna let presidency answer for me !!
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation of the highest order to question the credibility of the masses, who voted him in power. The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Solm
Zuma knows that what he says in Parliament doesn't really matter to his loyalists.Come election time all he will do is just make some dancing moves and singing and he will get votes. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
P4T
@ Dzel
Zuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now.
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Not quite. He has some provincial NEC's, premiers, MEC's, cabinet ministers, backbenchers MP's and business people/tenderpreneurs who still have a lot to gain to support him. Plus he has some rank and file, SACP and Cosatu who still need him for their future plans and gains. So politically Zuma is not done. The only way that Zuma is to be finished is if he is cornered by the courts, ie the law. But then for now, the NPA, Intelligence and Police are in his pocket. He is trying to get the Judiciary in his pocket but its a mission for him. Finishing Zuma as you put it, is likely to happen but not immediately. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Makhosini0408 - "The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them."
The 'masses' vote for a party, not for a leader. The ANC top dawgs elects their own leaders. At Polokwane, people were bribed to 'vote for the right man'. Now we have ghosts on branch nomination lists. We have violence and intimidation and other skulduggery to ensure that the masses have no say in whom its next leader will be.
4,000 people (0.008% of South Africa), elect a leader for 50,000,000 people.
If I bond a R200k house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2100/month.
If I bond a R2m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R21000/month.
If I bond a R200m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2 100000/month??
Mr President your annual salary is same as your monthly instalment towards your purported bond; didn’t a credit record check & affordability done on your background?
Did you guys see the revelations about how his case was dropped by NPA?
Zuma finds himself in a difficult corner under attack from all angles and the charges are so serious even the ANC cannot save him this time, Zuma is so deep in it I don't see him surviving. The DA will win its case to have the motion of no confidence debated in parliament, Zuma will be under a sustainable attack he won't survive the debate plus the knives are out for him from within his party this is checkmate.
Zuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now.
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Dzel. One of my friends was trying to tell me about this story from Sunday Times yesterday early evening but he was discouraged by my lack of interest. Thanks broer, now I'm going to borrow the paper from him this afternoon. It sounds interesting.
Can some one help when will COPE hold it's elective conference. Even if they are making a valid point, you cannot trust them, because they are afraid of deomcratic processes. This opposistion parties they are always reacting. They do not know what they are doing. It is only now they are bringing the Ingonyama Trust story. Let them go to hell. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Phathuza
1. Honesty - All those who voted for Zuma during the last election must admit to themselves they made a huge mistake. Then they must ask themselves WHY that mistake was made. The role of every party propagandist liar and bully must be examined to establish their role in perpetrating this crime against South Africans. The behaviour they indulged in must be examined in detail to establish how their threats, lies and blackmail created a situation so detrimental to the future of this nation. Also establish who were the ones warning against this outcome and what were they saying. Give credit to those whose hands are clean of this disgusting mess and who are willing to help sanitise the system of the despicable leftovers.
2. Once those analyses are done it must be resolved never ever to allow our nation to be hijacked by criminals again.
@MGEEZ
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
MGEEZ
No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are suggesting that we should ignore the fact that he said he engaged the bank and he has a bond on the property that he is still paying? Or ignore the fact that the neither the bank nor the deed's office has records of this bond??? Which one in your opinion we must disregard or ignore? Because if we take all the information at our disposal and use a reasonable men test; he is guilty as sin!!!! And I dare say that no court with the same facts will reach a different conclusion; unless the facts changes, in which case that would be a new debate for another day!!! Please let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears; you'll be amazed by the results.
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Lol.The given info is still naked for now Mgeez untill the proof is on the table and I'm not saying this must be ignored man may be you people must let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears because someone says you must sit down and watch.
Ndokza - The story has gone beyond opposition parties now, now its in the interest of the people, about jacob lying to the people of South Africa. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Kone
I now understand why president Mbeki did not want to pass the batton to this man, he is a disgrace to the country and the ANC. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
veraatheghost
TLekota
Zuma is not really stupid. There are those who are desperate to remove him from office. I will not tell the truth even if it was me. Those bonds maybe in someone else's name.
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With this kind of reasoning, the ANC will rule forever! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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After recovering from uncontrollable laughter due to your qustion above; I have now composed myself and can answer it and the answer is.........................................................................................................................ANC!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!Bosepa.2
I Blame the Scientific Calculator Zuma is using... Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!
Makhosini0408 - "The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them."
The 'masses' vote for a party, not for a leader. The ANC top dawgs elects their own leaders. At Polokwane, people were bribed to 'vote for the right man'. Now we have ghosts on branch nomination lists. We have violence and intimidation and other skulduggery to ensure that the masses have no say in whom its next leader will be.
4,000 people (0.008% of South Africa), elect a leader for 50,000,000 people.
This isnt democracy.
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The masses empower those clowns to elct the President or shall we say that, those who are privileged to go to Mangaung will be acting on behalf of their constituencies which involve the masses. Remember that our Constitution was structured in a way that the majority winner of an election choose the President o the country. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Makhosini0408
MommaC
Makhosini0408
The majority of voters didn't vote for Zuma - they voted for the ANC. Big difference.
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I am aware of that fact and my argument is that we cannot divorce the masses from this whole process. Report Abuse
We must wait for a President to comment on the issue. DA as always comment on incomplete information and has its butts kicked, as President did last week in parliament. DA relies on newspapers information. It doesn't do investigations for itself. Newspapers lie just to sell the paper. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Makhosini0408 - "Remember that our Constitution was structured in a way that the majority winner of an election choose the President o the country."
But the country only has 1 million ANC members. 1 million isnt a majority when it comes to 50 million people.
The ANC's elective methodology is removed from the constitution. If the constitution applies when it comes to party-elective conferences, then the ANC's elective methods would have been voted as unconstitutional. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MSG_S
Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation ......
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Morning Makhosini: I dont want to talk for!#Sinudeity#! but was his comment not based on the fact that the president was dishonest to what he said in that parliament so much that he didnt know where to base his lies? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
Tasto_
Dear JZ
If I bond a R200k house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2100/month.
If I bond a R2m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R21000/month.
If I bond a R200m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2 100000/month??
Mr President your annual salary is same as your monthly instalment towards your purported bond; didn’t a credit record check & affordability done on your background?
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I suspect that he meant the bank owned by Shabir Shake and Vivian Reddy!!! Clearly their credit granting criteria is not the same as the commercial banks or kanjani? There is also no prices for guessing what is he expected to do to fulfill his monthly installment obligation either!!!! Lol Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Da-undisputed
@ Bloggers
those who say if given a chance to be President they would be clean when it comes to money issues and tenders plz stand up. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
-Cl!ck-
I had R4000, but now I'm left with R2000.. Yeerrrrr
This side is very full of dropped out adjudicators. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
P4T
Not quite. He has some provincial NEC's, premiers, MEC's, cabinet ministers, backbenchers MP's and business people/tenderpreneurs who still have a lot to gain to support him. Plus he has some rank and file, SACP and Cosatu who still need him for their future plans and gains. So politically Zuma is not done. The only way that Zuma is to be finished is if he is cornered by the courts, ie the law. But then for now, the NPA, Intelligence and Police are in his pocket. He is trying to get the Judiciary in his pocket but its a mission for him. Finishing Zuma as you put it, is likely to happen but not immediately.
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I know within the ANC it is vested interest delegates will be voting for. What you are not considering is the ANC will think twice about voting a president who is likely to be impeached; it will be a fruitless exercise. That he has lied to parliament will sway which ever judge that will be hearing the DA’s case so that the debate will be heard is obvious the only question being when. If the DA does succeed to have the hearing before Mangaung and if the vote is conducted through a secret ballot then it will be the revolt from within that does him in which is what those feeding this info to the media want.
If he survives Mangaung he still has to have his indiscretions debated and there is so much ammunition it is going to be a bloodbath. The ANC then has to forward a name for national president which in turn will create two-centres of power, a point the party needs to think about carefully. Zuma is now too tainted and too compromised to be submitted as presidential candidate, having him as candidate for national president would be too much of a risk to take.
The man has become a serious liability and cannot be saved without creating a bigger mess, even the political unity argument is no longer valid looking at the state of the party and the mess that is branch structures.
It has come to the point that the party can no longer sustain the attacks it faces because of one individual; soon the party will say the ANC is bigger than Zuma I think we have honestly reached that point.
With the current level of political sophistication (or not) and the lack of knowledge surrounding the principles of democracy? Yes, the majority are just dupes in this game - for now Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@-Cl!ck-
I had R4000, but now I'm left with R2000.. Yeerrrrr
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Hola Click my friend. What happened to the other R2000? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MommaC
Da-undisputed
Not everyone has your rather disgusting moral fibre. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@MommaC
candilious
Can't wait for DJ to bring his goldfish bowl and explain this one :)
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Read properly, you will see that he is here. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
“‘Look at the Ugandan president; his palace cost R1bn,” said Reddy.
Mr Reddy we are SouthAfrican first and foremost and we not stupid!! Report Abuse
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?
Le ya tella lona. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@Da-undisputed
@ Bloggers
those who say if given a chance to be President they would be clean when it comes to money issues and tenders plz stand up.
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I am still standing; when are we suppose to sit down again??Lol Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@MommaC
Shredder
Da-undisputed?
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I haven't been reading Da-undisputed comments carefully. There is this particular guy, even his style of writing and how he responds points straight at the DJ. :) Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@-Cl!ck-
@ Shredder
Ask Mbali and her yellow-boned friends.. I'm heading over to Nedabank to apply for an overdraft (maximum amount)..
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Ahh Click!! Eish, but no, I don't blame you. It used to happen to me, not anymore. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
-Cl!ck-
@ Shredder
You have no idea.. Mbali is a Pearl Thusi look-alike, while her friends are a combination of Boity, Rihanna, Dineo Mashaba etc.. I had no choice but to swipe my cheque-card until smoke came out & melted..
But no regrets though.. I'll be stronger next time!!
Your statement is true but your assumptions are incorrect.
1. ANC delegates care a hoooch about the ANC except for their @sses - this on your impeachment statement.
2. In their minds, the tripartate thinks they can succeed in getting Zuma out of the legal matters in the same manner as they did before he became president, only this time utilising state machinery. This they find will be successful - this on your statement about two centres of power statement.
To most ANC members Zuma may well be a liability for all other folks but for them he is a non-movable asset.
ANC cadres don't think like ordinary people and that is what everyone needs to appreciate if they want to assess this matter properly.
Makhosini0408 - "If we judge parties against the registered members is wrong because we have more symphathysers"
True, like you said, million card-carrying ANC members, but 65% of the 18 million registered voters, voted ANC. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Shredder
@-Cl!ck-
@ Shredder
You have no idea.. Mbali is a Pearl Thusi look-alike, while her friends are a combination of Boity, Rihanna, Dineo Mashaba etc.. I had no choice but to swipe my cheque-card until smoke came out & melted..
But no regrets though.. I'll be stronger next time!!
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Mellow won't be impressed.
I’m not surprise …This President is way too predictable… Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
My advice to the ANC is to ditch Jacob Zuma now. Jacob Zuma himself does not have the courage and integrity to step down as leader of the ANC and government. His supporters are no different from supporters of Bantustan leaders during the apartheid era. Such people do not care, as long as they are drinking from the trough. When I listen to people like Sdumo Dlamini, Bathabile Dlamini, Zweli Mkhize, Blade Nzimande and others come out to defend the indefensible, I can only shake my head. What ever happened to their sense of political decency. Surely, the millions of South Africans out there must be appalled. Anyone who is a bondholder and ANC supporter must be appalled. Who would have thought that the ANC of Oliver Tambo and Nelson Mandela would descend to these levels of political and moral depravity in such a short time?
It is time for the ANC to ditch Jacob Zuma now because the future is now pretty much predictable. The DA and opposition parties can now go to court and get a ruling a gainst the Speaker of Parliament's decision to deny them a debateon a motion of no confidence in the president. If it is debated, it does not really matter whether the vote is secret or not, there will be more than 67 MPs from the ANC to support the motion and Jacob Zuma will have to resign immediately.
It is also clear that Jacob Zuma hardly has support around the country based on ANC branch nominations and public opinion polls. Jacob Zuma is losing the poltical battle in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West, while Motlanthe has branches in KZN, Mpumalanga and Freistata nominating him. Motlanthe must just listen to ANC branches and refuse to be intimidated by the likes of Kebby Mphatsoe, Sdumo Dlamini. The ANC should also make sure that KZN, Freistata and Mpumalanga do not take to National Conference deleates from branches that never quorated. Jacob Zuma cannot win a secret ballot contest against Kgalema Motlanthe is Mangaung. And looking at the evidence on how his corruption charges were dropped, it is highly likely that the charges will be re-instated. And the ANC does not want to find itself in such quandary. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Makhosini0408
MommaC
Makhosini0408
With the current level of political sophistication (or not) and the lack of knowledge surrounding the principles of democracy? Yes, the majority are just dupes in this game - for now
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My sentiments exactly. Pity that their course or destiny remains static while polotician gets a free ticket to milk our coffers dry with impunity. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Makhosini0408
MSG_S
Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation ......
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Morning Makhosini: I dont want to talk for!#Sinudeity#! but was his comment not based on the fact that the president was dishonest to what he said in that parliament so much that he didnt know where to base his lies?
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All those stupid theories around the bond are none starters, let the president be suspended from his job and give a chance to investigators to do a job without interference and if cought for fraud that s it for him . we cant afford to be abused as cash cows for the corrupted anc mafias. Report Abuse
I have no choice but to blame Dr Malinga...... Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
Ppl I just re-read the article he said the bond was for the first phase but the problem is no ONE has any records or phase one or 2 or 3 whateva phase !! No J-zee awunamaqhinga this Lindiwe chick is allova you wabona iproblem yoshela ngemali sishumane?
Other thing u became playa afta 1994 !! Report Abuse
If Zuma get re-elected as ANC president, then one more VOTE lost by ANC from me... ANC is already losing votes and lost more votes to COPE, if Zuma goes back then it might just not win this time!
Nooo Zuma Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
@nevermindme - if he wins the international institutions gonna blackmail SA, the S&P rating would look like picnic in the park.Ammunition is there to remove anc in 2014 and reclaim control mineral resources, they(anc) will fite ova disused mines&mine dumps !!Marikana&winefarms, farmkilings gonna be used against us to hold us @ransom.Factions inside would be deadlier than b4!! U already have aboRamaphosa reporting to their London masters and we must ignore these telltale signs!!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?
Le ya tella lona.
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Mothafcuker is guilty&corrupt both !!
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That's your president you're insulting wena man.
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Not my president. I dont follow corrupt, lying scuuumbags. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Mfan'omnyama
BLOODY MORON.
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Bloody moron is peacefully sleeping down there between your legs. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Tasto_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?
Le ya tella lona.
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That's your president you're insulting wena man.
I don't have problem with the person maar his stupidity can't stand it!! What broke the camel's back was his alleged utterance in court of law bat "Shower after unprotected sex" then I was proven beyond doubt that he is a moron !! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Dzel
Tasto_
Ppl I just re-read the article he said the bond was for the first phase but the problem is no ONE has any records or phase one or 2 or 3 whateva phase !! No J-zee awunamaqhinga this Lindiwe chick is allova you wabona iproblem yoshela ngemali sishumane?
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Phase 1 refers to when the initial rondavels were built i.e. the time when Reddy and Sheik were bankrolling him. This round of construction is what they are calling Phase 2.
As I stated both Phase seem to have been financed through corrupt means.
The interesting thing about Zuma's reply in Parliament is he seems to segment Phase 2 into components of the construction:
Security component - this comprises of the Fencing, bullet proof windows - this we are told was paid for by government - even at the most ridiculous quote I would say R 40m is excessive for this expenditure
His living quarters - this according to Zuma is areas used by himself and his family, these are the 5 rondavels he claims to have received a bond for. Even if we were to calculate the figure at the escalated R 8m per unit his total contribution amounts to R 40m for the 5 rondavels in question.
The rest of the development is seems to be distancing himself from including the many houses for "security personnel" so in effect he is pleading ignorance on. So the lift, on site hospital, on site fire station and everything else we are supposed to believe were all done by some over eager public servant and the president has no knowledge of this construction. Right!!!
Some very interesting observations from you sir/madam. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
FarCeSpotter
I am not even going to read all the comments. I am just quietly comparing Obama with Zuma.
Do we need anything else to be said. Only in South Africa can one man have so many scandals and still be in presidency. Everywhere else he would be kicked out without a second though.
Why are we so tolerant of poor leadership. It is our responsibility to choose the best and most honorable leader possible. Report Abuse
@nevermindme
If Zuma get re-elected as ANC president, then one more VOTE lost by ANC from me... ANC is already losing votes and lost more votes to COPE, if Zuma goes back then it might just not win this time!
Nooo Zuma
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Make that two votes lost, but not to COPE from me, i'll just not vote!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
@Dzel - R40million just for rondavel ?Be that be a 20 year bond @8.5% for R40m will require instalment of around R341k per month.JZ salary is around R2m per month pre-tax.Is he living beyond his means ?
PS - I am not fan of Kgalema & I didn't vote anc in 2009 but he was subjected to public scrutiny recently&allegation against didn't stick like JZ's one like flieds to a sh%T!!
After Magaung ANC conference in Dec, the is gonna be bloodshed in this country - believe you me Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Yotywa
I dont understand the title of this article. Its as if Zuma had ever been truthfull about anything. He lies all the time. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
malemaforpresident
Yotywa
I dont understand the title of this article. Its as if Zuma had ever been truthfull about anything. He lies all the time
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Spot on He even lied to his many wives how do you love six women at a go Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
MGEEZ
@Dzel
The rest of the development is seems to be distancing himself from including the many houses for "security personnel" so in effect he is pleading ignorance on. So the lift, on site hospital, on site fire station and everything else we are supposed to believe were all done by some over eager public servant and the president has no knowledge of this construction. Right!!!
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The men is a compulsive lair period!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Tasto_
On Thursday Zuma told Parliament: “I took the decision to expand my home and I built my home with more rondavels, more than once. And I fenced my home. And I engaged the bank and I’m still paying a bond on my first phase of my home.”
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A Durban businessman says he lent President Jacob Zuma money to pay for the first phase of the upgrade of his Nkandla residence, and that Zuma had repaid the money
Who is lying between these two morons, how many phase ones were there? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
RobinX
Oh, and Jakes. Best be careful about waggling that finger so. We all know what happened to PW Botha who also loved doing that. Look where it got him. Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Credo
He has lied many times before - It is in his blood so lying just comes naturally to him.
The saddest part is that 66% of South Africans voted for this liar.
Those who voted for him, are in essence just as bad as him, who have absolutely no ethics or morals.
I am going to my bank managaer to see if I can take out additional bond to build myslef rondavel kwAmatholeBasin in Middledrift on the outbacks of Hogsback in EC ? Report Abuse
Nov 19, 2012
Moss22
A Durban businessman has come forward to say he lent Zuma the money for phase one and he paid it back and took a second loan, yah neh Report Abuse
corruption started during anc campeign, when they were bribing the poors by food parcels and chiken packs, people kept quite and enjoy bribes, this escalated after anc wining, friends ,family and girl friends getting tenders and some getting slept to get tenders, people kept quite, some being silenced by higher positions to keep quite and get on with the job, now corruption is at its highest peak, people know about it but they wont say a word because they want to keep their positions within a gravey train, tenders and variaties of treatments to girl friends.
Opposition parties are on their own to question corruption by govt, though the public is sharing the same sentiments with the opposition but their powers are locked into the ransom storages by govt. The govt is using the same powers given to them by the public through corrupted votes to abuse the funds of the same poor masses and at the same time to silence the opposition parties.
The question is than, where is our future with this kind of democracy? cooked up out of the corrupted poor masses for the endgain of the few fatcats inpower. Report Abuse
Nov 20, 2012
clevergirl
vote of no confidence pls bt im also afraid,if kgalema steps in we r in trouble,juju cumin bak Report Abuse
Nov 20, 2012
common1
Zuma is only doing whats good for his family as our former president MANDELA did for Nquthu in transkei so i see no problem why people have to judge him for doing good for his own family.. Report Abuse
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!#Sinudeity#!
TLekota - "Those bonds maybe in someone else's name."Ingonyama Trust.
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swona
jacob bond must be fired, this is indeed enough, the ANC and the alliance partners must save us from this moron, he lied in the national assembly man, he's taking us for grunted!Report Abuse
Pointman
Now what will Mac Maharaj say. Covering Zuma's @rse is a very demanding job. But Mac being a fiddler himself has had enough practice - no doubt he will come up with something. You don't need a bond when you are "borrowing" non repayable loans from the Treasury.Report Abuse
tman992000
MARE PEOPLE, I THERE NAME OF HATING T-MAN YOU POLOKWANE MORONS GAVE US THIS MORON, YERRRR MANReport Abuse
MommaC
Die kort bene :)Did he REALLY think nobody would check up? It is quite insulting how stupid our president thinks we all are
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hulas
Another own goal by Zoooomer.So Mr president you were lying.Should showerman survive mangaung we the opposition we will not have to work hard to persuade voters to vote against anc.Report Abuse
rahima
The king's clothes are falling off. Soon he will be naked. Poor kangaman, showerhead, 783. Those Polokwane morons must please fix this next month. This guy is taking us all down.Report Abuse
Stumtum
@TLekota do you mean he might have a bond on somebody else's name on a property owned by somebody else's Trust? Interesting.Report Abuse
candilious
@MommaC-Morning no he knew their would check it out ,but he willcome out victoriously watch. he planned this to the "T" thats why he is demanding respect..............ek ryk n vrot rot iewersReport Abuse
ApelMankotsana
TLekota..How can he take a bond on someone's else names ? The fact is that you cannot take on a property you do not own, so surely Jacob Zuma could not have taken any bond on the property as it is owned by Ingonyama Trust...The sooner we remove Zuma from being the president the more we will save our country from embarrasment. He is just a liablity. No wonder the ANC Political Caucus committee prevented a motion of no confidence deabte to go through the National Assembly...
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MommaC
candiliousHe can 'demand' until he grows hair on his teeth - not gonna happen.
I wonder how Mr Bond, Jacob's Bond, is going to spin this?
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Shredder
But we all knew (except the blind loyal ones) that he was lying.Report Abuse
ILLUMINATED
FORKED TONGUE@Pointman: Maharaj could not say anything when City Press engaged him regarding this matter. He's not even sure when he could comment. I reas the story from City Press and it's quite disturbing. Nkandla is opening a can of worms.
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candilious
@MommaC- Yip we all knew he was lying i just wonder how he thought he would get away with it . Shame reading about who leading ahead of Manuang and the blind followers still have pass over their eyesReport Abuse
Mdala
I will wait for Zuma's response before commenting on this issue but me thinks opposition is getting personal with ZumaReport Abuse
MommaC
candiliousCan't wait for DJ to bring his goldfish bowl and explain this one :)
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!#Sinudeity#!
Mdala - Methinks Zuma is getting personal with our tax monies.Report Abuse
hulas
Wow Mdala we have absolutely nothing against Zooooomer.We asked the question about his compound and he emotionally gave answers in parliament.And now it looks like he was lying.Report Abuse
cornelius
The idiot is so stupid he did not know it is possible to check these things. Away with this moron , give us a real leader, with intelligence, honesty and dignity. If the ANC cannot give the country such a person, it must hand over the government.Report Abuse
MoNati
@MdalaSo its the opposition's fault that he is a liar and a thief.
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GODESS
Ao! mara zooma hle, ga o lape ke di scandal mara? just step down on your own i dont see you surviving this term. hmhmReport Abuse
Ratshufi
Wa ba layaReport Abuse
Winilen
I dont think Zuma will be that stupid to say something like that in public & expect it not to be checked. Lot of people are after his head I am sure the paper made up the story,Report Abuse
candilious
@MommC- hehehehehheeh cant wait@Sin Morning
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sosnana
Zimbabwe here we comeReport Abuse
thandoluhle
South Africa is the most corrupt country in the world!1. President is corrupt and gets away with it
2. President sleeps with his friends daughters and jumps from bed to bed
3. His manhood is on display in galleries
4. Ministers are also corrupt
5. Police head takes bribe and dines with drug dealers
6. Traffic cops are corrupt
7. Municipal workers are con artists
8 .the women are drug mules
9. The home affairs is a den of corruption
How this country is never voted as the most corrupt in the world is a travesty of justice
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NICEBOOBS
JZ knows what he's talking aboutReport Abuse
MoNati
For the anc to still support this excuse of a human being just shows that the whole lot of them are corrupt. Even if they elect someone else they will just be changing the mafia boss.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
candilious - Morning candi, hope you had a good weekend. Urg, enjoy the monday.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@candiliousMommaC- Yip we all knew he was lying i just wonder how he thought he would get away with it . Shame reading about who leading ahead of Manuang and the blind followers still have pass over their eyes.
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Morning Candy.
The man tells the truth ma.lol
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MophemeKoPitori
That's not surprising and of course, showerhead is so dumb that he forgets what an OATH means!!!"It wasn't me" shaggy
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swona
maybe the bond is from loan sharks!Report Abuse
Right-Back-Khumalo
Yoh, Zuma was very angry that day. I thought he was going to punch the 'tea lady' on a face. I never seen him angry that before...ha ha ha ha.....Anyway, he did explain and it shown that DA did not have enough information. It had its butts kicked again. Mazibuko nearly cried after an explaination...LOL
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Mgaraji
The deed document for the property showed that the Ingonyama Trust was the owner._______________________________________
These newspaper and suburb people are out of touch with the recent developments in rural areas. Banks do finance house/home under the INgonyama Trust land.
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!#Sinudeity#!
swona - Hehe, or maybe some dodgy dudes sold Zuma a piece of land fraudulently. Someone pulled a Lenasia on Jacob :PReport Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
We dont say our president is telling no truth but have to wait till the truth comes out ,so please my reverends stop preaching asseblief and wait till then.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Right-Back-Khumalo - Is that how the story played out in your mind?Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.Report Abuse
MSG_S
Lies that are similar to those of a 7year old child who was never tought any manners. Lies borne of utmost desperation. He fought his battles against his political foes and won. Now he is facing the mighty enemy in the of media. There is no way that he grapple with this enemy he is facing now. The only way that can save him is to come clean. Maybe we can say he borrowed some few grands from Afican Bank and maybe we can humbly consider that.Report Abuse
MommaC
MgarajiThe banks won't give a bond on a property without the legal owner's permission and INgonyama Trust has no knowledge of any bond on that property.
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RobinX
OK Now let's watch the fat one stand and waggle his pudgy finger PW Botha style again whilst reassuringly lying to our faces.Report Abuse
Right-Back-Khumalo
!#Sinudeity#!Right-Back-Khumalo - Is that how the story played out in your mind?
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Not only me, but the opposition parties seemed impressed. Bantu_ Holomisa clapped for Zuma, did you see that?
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candilious
@Kata- Only to those who cannot tell the difference of truth & lies. The manner in how addresses for 1 shows he has no character whatsoever.But we already know that right
@Sin will doo dont strain urself its only Maandag
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candilious
@Robin- Halo@Kata -i am not sure are you being serious or just ruffing a few feathers .The whole lot ANC does not know what TRUTH means
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SLY007
@TLekotaRegrettably, there is no way that a land which belongs to a trust can be bonded. If tyhis was the case, I would have certainly gone to my ancestral land to lodge a claim and subsequently bond it and would be rich without lifting a finger. This spells out a naked truth that our Emperor is so naked even the spear does not begin to describe his nakedness. Our sitting President is a pathological liar.
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Mgaraji
MommaCMgaraji
The banks won't give a bond on a property without the legal owner's permission and INgonyama Trust has no knowledge of any bond on that property.
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Nedbank approved bond for my brother on the land owned by INgonyama Trust. They only wanted Right to Occupy approved and signed by tribal authority.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Nkandla is financed by Vivian Reddy Financial Services and unathourised financial services provider. I wonder if the bond account is even FICAdReport Abuse
Lehido
Ja ne....Our President is covered by a dark cloud, and his responses to questions leaves too much be disired......Is he an idiot or something?Report Abuse
svavava
and we all know he'll say the bond is not in his name. Mac maharaj , just shut up this time , unless u were there when he took the bond or the bond is in your name. so Zuma u built Nkandla with yo family, who exactly in your family , your wives ??Report Abuse
MommaC
MgarajiYes, the legal owners had to give permission. The bank would not have given him the loan if he had not gotten the signed authority from the tribal authority. Now the tribal authority, in this case, has not done so.
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MGEEZ
@TLekota!#Sinudeity#!
TLekota - "Those bonds maybe in someone else's name."
Ingonyama Trust.
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Really now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter.
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MUFARO
Durban businessman Vivian Reddy, who at one stage was personally involved in the funding of President Jacob Zumas Nkandla home, rallied to his defence amid allegations that the president might have misled Parliament when he claimed he had taken out a loan to finance the development of the sprawling residential.FROM IOLReport Abuse
MGEEZ
@MommaCDie kort bene :)
Did he REALLY think nobody would check up? It is quite insulting how stupid our president thinks we all are
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He is going to lie again and say he was misquoted; seeing that is Maharaj's defence for his daily mess!!!!
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@WinilenI dont think Zuma will be that stupid to say something like that in public & expect it not to be checked. Lot of people are after his head I am sure the paper made up the story,
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He is.
He is used ot reading prepared spechees so this time he had to write his own and by the look of things he rehearsed it (never had to look at the paper and stutter as per usual his usual "giving spechees"
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Dzel
TLekotaZuma is not really stupid. There are those who are desperate to remove him from office. I will not tell the truth even if it was me. Those bonds maybe in someone else's name.
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You can search the deeds database either using details of the individual whose name the bond is either using ID number or you can search using property details in which case bond details will be picked up regardless of who the bond holder is.
The bottom-line though is you cannot bond a property that does not belong to you without the owners consent as the property itself becomes surety in case of default, if there was a bond on the property Ingonyama Trust would not only have known about it but they would have been party to the loan agreement.
Our president is so doff he tells stupid lies that can be disproved in seconds, the man deliberately misled parliament. If the opposition did not have a strong enough argument for an impeachment Zuma has handed them his head on a platter, this is the most serious of charges Zuma could face and in a normal democracy this would cost him his job.
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MGEEZ
@ShredderBut we all knew (except the blind loyal ones) that he was lying.
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MSG_S
His tank of lies ran dry and ought to show his rage in parliament with the whole nation watching. No wonder he is so charming with ladies. He must watch out we are not all ladies nor gentlemanly sometimes. We all yearn for good life just like him, but not the way he's doing it.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter.
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No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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Pointman
@MGEEZHe is going to lie again and say he was misquoted; seeing that is Maharaj's defence for his daily mess!!!!-----------------------------------------------------------------
Maharaj must have had a torrid time this weekend coming up with a spin for this one. Zuma mentioned bank, bond, payment - not much wiggle room.
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MalatengSec
Not only Zuma, ANC is also misleading its people...I think now is the time for SAfricans to stand up and fight for this country, our wealth and pride...lets educate ourselves, have more insight about politics...come election time majority of the ppl will definetely vote for ANC because that majority is illiterate,mislead.Report Abuse
Dzel
Between Nkandlagate and the unlawful dropping of corruption charges Zuma was facing someone at Luthuli House has Zuma by the balls and is squeezing tighter ever so slightly with every week that goes by. I laugh when people say don’t argue ANC politics using info from the media but they miss the point that it is ANC cadres and leaders that continuously use the media to fight personal battles by leaking damaging information on their enemies.The Sunday Times expose on how the corruption charges were dropped is very, very damaging Zuma’s cronies are going to have their hands full trying to do damage control but this one is a killer. Even with the majority the ANC cannot keep protecting Zuma without doing irreparable damage to the party and what it stands for.
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candilious
@MGEEZ-Spot on hahahahhahah i love it when they talk foreignReport Abuse
MommaC
MGEEZThat would work if we hadn't all SEEN it on tv.
Even if he got a personal loan from Reddy, that is not a bond. It is also very disturbing how our president is always so dependent on shady characters who keep helping him with 'car wash money'. We know very well how that turns out
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MGEEZ
@DzelThanks for the information; some people on this bl.og go out of their way to debate without knowledge which is really unfortunate.
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TrapStar
It was ok when you1. Banged a Lady and became a well known Showerhead
2. Partnered with JM to defend you from Zille
3. Marrying 6 people using the state money
4. building a toilet worth 10milliono
Now you lying to our faces,what do you take us for????
Please Mangaung save our tax money
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Dzel
One thing worth mentioning is the Zuma Compound - yes I said compound which I suppose makes me racist - was initially built using funds received unlawfully and were central to the Shabier Sheik / Zuma corruption charges so it is fair to say it was built using proceeds of crime. He dodged that bullet so when it came time to extend the compound what does our president do, loot public coffers to have the work complete.I don't understand how this man thinks, it is almost as if he is bound to make the wrong decision when left to his devices. Kanti what is wrong with this man...
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MGEEZ
@MommaCMGEEZ
That would work if we hadn't all SEEN it on tv.
Even if he got a personal loan from Reddy, that is not a bond. It is also very disturbing how our president is always so dependent on shady characters who keep helping him with 'car wash money'. We know very well how that turns out
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Well according to this story he is a shady character himself; if now he is going to lie under oath!!!
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RobinX
Hiya Candi: My my the blilnd followers are in full voice this morning.Report Abuse
swona
he's making all sorts of mistakes everyday, we need help! if he survives Mangaung, it will be interesting to see how voters will react, pity Zille is just like Zuma for being power hungry, guess its African, who would have thought mugabe will still be president @2012? she has nothing better to offer anymore, but she hanging on to power, lekota is a dictator like Bond! Godi is a teacher not a politician, he needs a chalk! the rest are as useless as Khulubuse, he eats go to the loo and eat again!Report Abuse
nzaco
MalatengSecNot only Zuma, ANC is also misleading its people...I think now is the time for SAfricans to stand up and fight for this country, our wealth and pride...lets educate ourselves, have more insight about politics...come election time majority of the ppl will definetely vote for ANC because that majority is illiterate,mislead.
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this is way outrageous and condescending to the black majority,
There are people that want change within the Anc...unfortunately they dont have an alternative
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Shredder
DJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey?Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
Sound no surprise isn’t that the man is uneducated does he really know the meaning of a bond just to ask this time Thabo is lolReport Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Because the ANC is beyond solving the matter dude.Report Abuse
MSG_S
MGEEZNo sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House........
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ANC is going to back him on this matter, come rain or sunshine. He should have said the money came from this Tribal Authority and would have been backed-up by them, surely.
The only politician I could have trust is the one who was a Premier of one of those provinces up country, who said it is ok for politicians to lie to the people ( therefore we can trust anything he says that it is infact untrue).
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Dzel
I see on a story on IOL Vivian Reddy claims to have lent Zuma the money ... this animal farm keeps going from bad to worse.___________________________________________________
“I’m very close to Nkandla. I lent the president the money to pay for the first phase and he paid it back. Now he has taken a new bond,” Reddy told The Mercury on Sunday.
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OK ... but that contradicts what Zuma told parliament and I quote:
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“I took the decision to expand my home and I built my home with more rondavels, more than once. And I fenced my home. And I engaged the bank and I’m still paying a bond on my first phase of my home.”
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Does Vivian own a bank, is he a bank or did he take out a bond in Zuma’s name?
The more they try to contain this the more ridiculous the lies become especially when they are contradicting each other so badly they look like a bunch of buffoons. This Zuma Freak Show goes on.
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Tasto_
Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !!Report Abuse
swona
if he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan?Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@ShredderDJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey?
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When you rad his comments you would think its either Keith Khoza or Jackson Mthembu blogging
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MGEEZ
@Tasto_Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !!
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Lol
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Dzel
Tasto_Firstly I was told JZ’s family built the homestead pardon the “racist term”, now he has a bond “ezilalini” first in new SA also there is this Reddy guy who is bankrolling this buildings.Is SATaxpayer(s) also known as Vivian Reddy? Must check again my name in my ID is not changed to V Reddy !!
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LOL ... its like these guys don't know when to stop, when you caught out it is better to limit the damage instead of digging yourself deeper into a hole. But no, Zuma just keeps on digging I am sure even his staunchest of supporters must be giving up by now.
He may win in Mangaung still because the ANC votes based on different vested interest but come 2014 there will be serious blood on the electoral floor - not literally of course - I am actually hoping Zuma wins so they will fell the full force of our disgust, as Lumka Yengeni said i-ANC isiqhela kakubi.
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!#Sinudeity#!
Dzel - Like my dad always says, if you are in trouble...Stop digging.
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Ma-Bhova
Vivian Reddy has come out in defense of Zuma claiming he borrowed our Compound master the money. My question is, how the hell does Mr Reddy become a bank so fast?Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@MGEEZ@Candy
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - He wount tell us the truth, we have to find out the truth for ourselves.
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You will be poking your noses in some people's business since the call is not yours dig out the truth.
Why dont people back off to give ANC time to sort the matter.
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No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament.
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Tasto_
@Dzel - Your last line abt a week ago someone ebendirhabulisa inside happenings jsut like u said its CRISIS of gigantic proportions.I think he has finished anc and they know it!!Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@!#Sinudeity#!Dzel - Like my dad always says, if you are in trouble...
Stop digging.
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Good advise that; how I wish Maharaj could pass the same to the president!!
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Dzel
swonaif he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan?
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The reason it is called a bond is the loan has to be registered at the deeds office at a cost and then the property gets bonded and this info will come up when you try selling the house; this is to protect the buyer, bank and owner of the property as the bank effectively owns the property until fully paid.
A personal loan is an unsecured loan and the bank has no rights so-to-speak on the property therefore a personal loan cannot be called a bond. All things said and done Zuma did himself in when he mentioned a bank and a bond, he can't spin his way out of this and he can't wake up tomorrow and invent a bond as it takes months to have a bond registered. He told a stupid lie basically.
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MGEEZ
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@MGEEZ
No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are suggesting that we should ignore the fact that he said he engaged the bank and he has a bond on the property that he is still paying? Or ignore the fact that the neither the bank nor the deed's office has records of this bond??? Which one in your opinion we must disregard or ignore? Because if we take all the information at our disposal and use a reasonable men test; he is guilty as sin!!!! And I dare say that no court with the same facts will reach a different conclusion; unless the facts changes, in which case that would be a new debate for another day!!! Please let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears; you'll be amazed by the results
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Dzel
Tasto_@Dzel - Your last line abt a week ago someone ebendirhabulisa inside happenings jsut like u said its CRISIS of gigantic proportions.I think he has finished anc and they know it!!
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Heita Tasto, please remind me what I said and what were you told, sounds interesting.
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P4T
It is probable that Zuma's thinking and modus operundi around all his issues with the law, state resources, morality, etc. is that, to the extent that he still has the support of his tripartate comrades, no one will ever touch him - neither the law, parliament, opposition parties, the media nor the public. For now his strategy is working well for him because those comrades who support him still need something from him. Wait till he is no longer relevant to them or he fails to deliver goods and promises to them, they will be the first ones to pull daggers against him.Point of example to illustrate this is Julius Malema. It is therefore envisaged that Zuma may well be handled effectively by the very same supporters and comrades who are protecting him right now.
That's just the dirt and stench that is filled with politics.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Batho ba Modimo! Ke swabile! I knew it when Zuma was speaking in parliament that someone was going to investigate. This is really a shame for the ANC and the country. The Zuma-led ANC leadership seems to be in suicide mode. They are going to stick with their man regardless of the damage to the ANC and the country. While ANC branches are still deliberating on the issue of leadership, Sdumo Dlamini has the temerity to ask Kgalema Motlanthe to withdraw from the contest. Dlamini must respect ANC branches. ANC branches must not be undermined by people who cannot act in the interest of the ANC and the country. It is time for ANC to assert their democratic rights in terms of the ANC constitution and rid the ANC and the country of this embarassment. Mangaung has to turn a new page for the ANC and the country. ANC members are really up to their tether. It appears that Jacob Zuma has been lying to parliament, the ANC and the public. It is time for parliament to call him to order. If he had any semblance of integrity left in him, he would resign immediately but knowing him he would soldier on like nothing happened. It is also time for disciplianry processes of the ANC to kick in, for this man has only brought the ANC into disrepute.Report Abuse
Kon-Tiki
I am going to give JG Zuma (the COO of the song, dance and shawa batalion) the benefit of the doubt. Banks do give out loans to people building on Tribal Trust Land but they do not bond them. JG Zuma might have taken out a loan to build his house and due to his level of literacy mistakes the personal loan to a bond. Because a personal loan is not treated anything close to a bonded loan there are no records from any deeds office. There would not have been any property to have been conveyanced in the Nkandla compound (pardon my racism) for City Press researchers to lay their hands on. The President probably took out a personal loan knowing pretty well that he has personal funders who will service his loan as and when they get business from his government. There you have it. Do I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president?Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@swona@Dzel
swona
if he ment to say loan, will it matter? what difference does that brings, I see Blade saying he wanted to say loan! but a bond is a loan, can a bank give you R200m personal loan?
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The reason it is called a bond is the loan has to be registered at the deeds office at a cost and then the property gets bonded and this info will come up when you try selling the house; this is to protect the buyer, bank and owner of the property as the bank effectively owns the property until fully paid.
A personal loan is an unsecured loan and the bank has no rights so-to-speak on the property therefore a personal loan cannot be called a bond. All things said and done Zuma did himself in when he mentioned a bank and a bond, he can't spin his way out of this and he can't wake up tomorrow and invent a bond as it takes months to have a bond registered. He told a stupid lie basically.
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As a matter of fact to add to what Dzel is has said: that is what blade is trying to do (spin doctor ) the situation by pleading that the president did not know the difference due to his ignorance in that regard!!!! But I must say; that would only work to those who are refusing to think for themselves.
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Moffdat
Heita Zuma Heita.Working for your own pockets and the progress of Nkandla heita. Take and consume till there is nothing left Mmsholozi my man. You owe your loyalties to no-one least of all the electorate. Do you my big pimpin, taxpayer spending, R200.00 homestead having... Baller!!! Do you pimp daddy
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Tasto_
@Dzel - no won't elaborate maar there is a sense of acknowledgement even from ppl inside that the organization is finished unless something is done!!After Mangaung anc is gonna face an onsalught it neva seen b4 from all front especially internationally.The blackmailing or playing victim of JZ is gonna be the biggest liability to SA!!Report Abuse
Thitanwi
The more they try to explain the funding of Pres Zuma's Nkandla residence, the more confusing it gets and more questions come up. Maybe the president should just provide proof for his "bond" with a bank, for peace sake. It does not look like this issue will go away any time soon. Mr Vivian Reddy's statement is not helping the matter either.Report Abuse
Winilen
Zuma really dug his own grave this time...Report Abuse
Mangoz
he is a president, he is a maphia, he is "the spear", he is "shower man", and now ur trying to tell us he is a "liar", no!! i refuse to believe that one, zuma we want proof.Report Abuse
Ma-Bhova
@Kon-TikiDo I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president?
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If Zuma could read and was a blogger then am sure you have got a tender to install toilets at the Nkandla residence's cause you also talking bull now. or maybe a tender to wipe Khulubuse Zuma.
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Lemtongthai
I am going to give JG Zuma (the COO of the song, dance and shawa militia) the benefit of the doubt. Banks do give out loans to people building on Tribal Trust Land but they do not bond them. JG Zuma might have taken out a loan to build his house and due to his level of literacy mistakes the personal loan to a bond. Because a personal loan is not treated anything close to a bonded loan there are no records from any deeds office. There would not have been any property to have been conveyanced in the Nkandla compound (pardon my racism) for City Press researchers to lay their hands on. The President probably took out a personal loan knowing pretty well that he has personal funders who will service his loan as and when they get business from his government. There you have it. Do I win a tender for this simple and straightforward explanation defending our president?Report Abuse
MSG_S
!#Sinudeity#!MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Criminals. Elected by criminals. They will put him infront there as a stooge or let say human-shield.
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Shredder
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@Shredder
DJ-Winner defending JZ again. LOL You will die for Zuma DJ hey?
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LOL. Very true.
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ShanMo
If Reddy had given Mr Zuma the load to build his house, Zuma is required by law to list that on the parliamentary register. Another easy one for clever journalists to check up on! Me thinks he is digging his hole even deeper!Report Abuse
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WinilenZuma really dug his own grave this time...
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Did you guys see the revelations about how his case was dropped by NPA?
Zuma finds himself in a difficult corner under attack from all angles and the charges are so serious even the ANC cannot save him this time, Zuma is so deep in it I don't see him surviving. The DA will win its case to have the motion of no confidence debated in parliament, Zuma will be under a sustainable attack he won't survive the debate plus the knives are out for him from within his party this is checkmate.
Zuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now.
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Tasto_
Mark Twain "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open itand remove all doubt".
PS - If I was president was gonna let presidency answer for me !!
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Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation of the highest order to question the credibility of the masses, who voted him in power. The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them.
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Solm
Zuma knows that what he says in Parliament doesn't really matter to his loyalists.Come election time all he will do is just make some dancing moves and singing and he will get votes.Report Abuse
P4T
@ DzelZuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now.
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Not quite. He has some provincial NEC's, premiers, MEC's, cabinet ministers, backbenchers MP's and business people/tenderpreneurs who still have a lot to gain to support him. Plus he has some rank and file, SACP and Cosatu who still need him for their future plans and gains. So politically Zuma is not done. The only way that Zuma is to be finished is if he is cornered by the courts, ie the law. But then for now, the NPA, Intelligence and Police are in his pocket. He is trying to get the Judiciary in his pocket but its a mission for him. Finishing Zuma as you put it, is likely to happen but not immediately.
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!#Sinudeity#!
Makhosini0408 - "The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them."The 'masses' vote for a party, not for a leader. The ANC top dawgs elects their own leaders. At Polokwane, people were bribed to 'vote for the right man'. Now we have ghosts on branch nomination lists. We have violence and intimidation and other skulduggery to ensure that the masses have no say in whom its next leader will be.
4,000 people (0.008% of South Africa), elect a leader for 50,000,000 people.
This isnt democracy.
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Tasto_
Dear JZIf I bond a R200k house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2100/month.
If I bond a R2m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R21000/month.
If I bond a R200m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2 100000/month??
Mr President your annual salary is same as your monthly instalment towards your purported bond; didn’t a credit record check & affordability done on your background?
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MommaC
Makhosini0408The majority of voters didn't vote for Zuma - they voted for the ANC. Big difference.
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MSG_S
Did you guys see the revelations about how his case was dropped by NPA?Zuma finds himself in a difficult corner under attack from all angles and the charges are so serious even the ANC cannot save him this time, Zuma is so deep in it I don't see him surviving. The DA will win its case to have the motion of no confidence debated in parliament, Zuma will be under a sustainable attack he won't survive the debate plus the knives are out for him from within his party this is checkmate.
Zuma is done I say, the man can't survive not even the ANC can protect him now.
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Dzel. One of my friends was trying to tell me about this story from Sunday Times yesterday early evening but he was discouraged by my lack of interest. Thanks broer, now I'm going to borrow the paper from him this afternoon. It sounds interesting.
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Ndokza
Can some one help when will COPE hold it's elective conference. Even if they are making a valid point, you cannot trust them, because they are afraid of deomcratic processes. This opposistion parties they are always reacting. They do not know what they are doing. It is only now they are bringing the Ingonyama Trust story. Let them go to hell.Report Abuse
Phathuza
1. Honesty - All those who voted for Zuma during the last election must admit to themselves they made a huge mistake. Then they must ask themselves WHY that mistake was made. The role of every party propagandist liar and bully must be examined to establish their role in perpetrating this crime against South Africans. The behaviour they indulged in must be examined in detail to establish how their threats, lies and blackmail created a situation so detrimental to the future of this nation. Also establish who were the ones warning against this outcome and what were they saying. Give credit to those whose hands are clean of this disgusting mess and who are willing to help sanitise the system of the despicable leftovers.2. Once those analyses are done it must be resolved never ever to allow our nation to be hijacked by criminals again.
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@MGEEZKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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No sir; this is no longer an ANC matter!!! JZ did not tell this lie in Luthuli House in some meeting of the cdres there; he committed such a perjury on national TV in parliament and all thos of us wh have PVR have recorded it. Zuma is first and foremost a state president and therefore accountable to parliament and the office to which he took oath!!!
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PVR or whatever doesnt proof that he was lying and now you people what you're talking are your Imaginations,just hold your horses and let the law to take its course if really the president is misleading the parliament.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are suggesting that we should ignore the fact that he said he engaged the bank and he has a bond on the property that he is still paying? Or ignore the fact that the neither the bank nor the deed's office has records of this bond??? Which one in your opinion we must disregard or ignore? Because if we take all the information at our disposal and use a reasonable men test; he is guilty as sin!!!! And I dare say that no court with the same facts will reach a different conclusion; unless the facts changes, in which case that would be a new debate for another day!!! Please let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears; you'll be amazed by the results.
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Lol.The given info is still naked for now Mgeez untill the proof is on the table and I'm not saying this must be ignored man may be you people must let go of your horses and use the matter between your ears because someone says you must sit down and watch.
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Ndokza - The story has gone beyond opposition parties now, now its in the interest of the people, about jacob lying to the people of South Africa.Report Abuse
Kone
I now understand why president Mbeki did not want to pass the batton to this man, he is a disgrace to the country and the ANC.Report Abuse
veraatheghost
TLekotaZuma is not really stupid. There are those who are desperate to remove him from office. I will not tell the truth even if it was me. Those bonds maybe in someone else's name.
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With this kind of reasoning, the ANC will rule forever!
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@!#Sinudeity#!MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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After recovering from uncontrollable laughter due to your qustion above; I have now composed myself and can answer it and the answer is.........................................................................................................................ANC!!!!
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I Blame the Scientific Calculator Zuma is using...Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!Makhosini0408 - "The masses execised their democractic right,of which wether you agree with them or not, must not be used against them."
The 'masses' vote for a party, not for a leader. The ANC top dawgs elects their own leaders. At Polokwane, people were bribed to 'vote for the right man'. Now we have ghosts on branch nomination lists. We have violence and intimidation and other skulduggery to ensure that the masses have no say in whom its next leader will be.
4,000 people (0.008% of South Africa), elect a leader for 50,000,000 people.
This isnt democracy.
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The masses empower those clowns to elct the President or shall we say that, those who are privileged to go to Mangaung will be acting on behalf of their constituencies which involve the masses. Remember that our Constitution was structured in a way that the majority winner of an election choose the President o the country.
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MommaCMakhosini0408
The majority of voters didn't vote for Zuma - they voted for the ANC. Big difference.
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I am aware of that fact and my argument is that we cannot divorce the masses from this whole process.
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where are the tapes?Report Abuse
Right-Back-Khumalo
We must wait for a President to comment on the issue. DA as always comment on incomplete information and has its butts kicked, as President did last week in parliament. DA relies on newspapers information. It doesn't do investigations for itself. Newspapers lie just to sell the paper.Report Abuse
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Makhosini0408 - "Remember that our Constitution was structured in a way that the majority winner of an election choose the President o the country."But the country only has 1 million ANC members. 1 million isnt a majority when it comes to 50 million people.
The ANC's elective methodology is removed from the constitution. If the constitution applies when it comes to party-elective conferences, then the ANC's elective methods would have been voted as unconstitutional.
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MSG_S
Makhosini0408!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation ......
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Morning Makhosini: I dont want to talk for!#Sinudeity#! but was his comment not based on the fact that the president was dishonest to what he said in that parliament so much that he didnt know where to base his lies?
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Tasto_Dear JZ
If I bond a R200k house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2100/month.
If I bond a R2m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R21000/month.
If I bond a R200m house for 20 years @11% rate I expect to pay R2 100000/month??
Mr President your annual salary is same as your monthly instalment towards your purported bond; didn’t a credit record check & affordability done on your background?
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I suspect that he meant the bank owned by Shabir Shake and Vivian Reddy!!! Clearly their credit granting criteria is not the same as the commercial banks or kanjani? There is also no prices for guessing what is he expected to do to fulfill his monthly installment obligation either!!!! Lol
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Da-undisputed
@ Bloggersthose who say if given a chance to be President they would be clean when it comes to money issues and tenders plz stand up.
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I had R4000, but now I'm left with R2000.. YeerrrrrReport Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
This side is very full of dropped out adjudicators.Report Abuse
Dzel
P4TNot quite. He has some provincial NEC's, premiers, MEC's, cabinet ministers, backbenchers MP's and business people/tenderpreneurs who still have a lot to gain to support him. Plus he has some rank and file, SACP and Cosatu who still need him for their future plans and gains. So politically Zuma is not done. The only way that Zuma is to be finished is if he is cornered by the courts, ie the law. But then for now, the NPA, Intelligence and Police are in his pocket. He is trying to get the Judiciary in his pocket but its a mission for him. Finishing Zuma as you put it, is likely to happen but not immediately.
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I know within the ANC it is vested interest delegates will be voting for. What you are not considering is the ANC will think twice about voting a president who is likely to be impeached; it will be a fruitless exercise. That he has lied to parliament will sway which ever judge that will be hearing the DA’s case so that the debate will be heard is obvious the only question being when. If the DA does succeed to have the hearing before Mangaung and if the vote is conducted through a secret ballot then it will be the revolt from within that does him in which is what those feeding this info to the media want.
If he survives Mangaung he still has to have his indiscretions debated and there is so much ammunition it is going to be a bloodbath. The ANC then has to forward a name for national president which in turn will create two-centres of power, a point the party needs to think about carefully. Zuma is now too tainted and too compromised to be submitted as presidential candidate, having him as candidate for national president would be too much of a risk to take.
The man has become a serious liability and cannot be saved without creating a bigger mess, even the political unity argument is no longer valid looking at the state of the party and the mess that is branch structures.
It has come to the point that the party can no longer sustain the attacks it faces because of one individual; soon the party will say the ANC is bigger than Zuma I think we have honestly reached that point.
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MommaC
Makhosini0408With the current level of political sophistication (or not) and the lack of knowledge surrounding the principles of democracy? Yes, the majority are just dupes in this game - for now
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Shredder
@-Cl!ck-I had R4000, but now I'm left with R2000.. Yeerrrrr
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Hola Click my friend. What happened to the other R2000?
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MommaC
Da-undisputedNot everyone has your rather disgusting moral fibre.
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Shredder
@MommaCcandilious
Can't wait for DJ to bring his goldfish bowl and explain this one :)
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Read properly, you will see that he is here.
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Tasto_
“‘Look at the Ugandan president; his palace cost R1bn,” said Reddy.Mr Reddy we are SouthAfrican first and foremost and we not stupid!!
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MommaC
ShredderDa-undisputed?
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Makhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!Total number of registered voters: 23,181,997
Number of people who voted: 17,919,966
Voter turnout % (national): 77.30 %
You already know what is my argument Sino and just like a seasons polotician (joking) you always make good points.
If we judge parties against the registered members is wrong because we have more symphathysers.
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@ ShredderAsk Mbali and her yellow-boned friends.. I'm heading over to Nedabank to apply for an overdraft (maximum amount)..
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?Le ya tella lona.
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MGEEZ
@Da-undisputed@ Bloggers
those who say if given a chance to be President they would be clean when it comes to money issues and tenders plz stand up.
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I am still standing; when are we suppose to sit down again??Lol
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@MommaCShredder
Da-undisputed?
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I haven't been reading Da-undisputed comments carefully. There is this particular guy, even his style of writing and how he responds points straight at the DJ. :)
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@-Cl!ck-@ Shredder
Ask Mbali and her yellow-boned friends.. I'm heading over to Nedabank to apply for an overdraft (maximum amount)..
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Ahh Click!! Eish, but no, I don't blame you. It used to happen to me, not anymore.
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@ ShredderYou have no idea.. Mbali is a Pearl Thusi look-alike, while her friends are a combination of Boity, Rihanna, Dineo Mashaba etc.. I had no choice but to swipe my cheque-card until smoke came out & melted..
But no regrets though.. I'll be stronger next time!!
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@Dzel.Your statement is true but your assumptions are incorrect.
1. ANC delegates care a hoooch about the ANC except for their @sses - this on your impeachment statement.
2. In their minds, the tripartate thinks they can succeed in getting Zuma out of the legal matters in the same manner as they did before he became president, only this time utilising state machinery. This they find will be successful - this on your statement about two centres of power statement.
To most ANC members Zuma may well be a liability for all other folks but for them he is a non-movable asset.
ANC cadres don't think like ordinary people and that is what everyone needs to appreciate if they want to assess this matter properly.
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Makhosini0408 - "If we judge parties against the registered members is wrong because we have more symphathysers"True, like you said, million card-carrying ANC members, but 65% of the 18 million registered voters, voted ANC.
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@-Cl!ck-@ Shredder
You have no idea.. Mbali is a Pearl Thusi look-alike, while her friends are a combination of Boity, Rihanna, Dineo Mashaba etc.. I had no choice but to swipe my cheque-card until smoke came out & melted..
But no regrets though.. I'll be stronger next time!!
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Mellow won't be impressed.
Don't worry, Mandoza said "Indoda iyawa namhlanje, kusasa iphind' ivuke".
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I’m not surprise …This President is way too predictable…Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
My advice to the ANC is to ditch Jacob Zuma now. Jacob Zuma himself does not have the courage and integrity to step down as leader of the ANC and government. His supporters are no different from supporters of Bantustan leaders during the apartheid era. Such people do not care, as long as they are drinking from the trough. When I listen to people like Sdumo Dlamini, Bathabile Dlamini, Zweli Mkhize, Blade Nzimande and others come out to defend the indefensible, I can only shake my head. What ever happened to their sense of political decency. Surely, the millions of South Africans out there must be appalled. Anyone who is a bondholder and ANC supporter must be appalled. Who would have thought that the ANC of Oliver Tambo and Nelson Mandela would descend to these levels of political and moral depravity in such a short time?It is time for the ANC to ditch Jacob Zuma now because the future is now pretty much predictable. The DA and opposition parties can now go to court and get a ruling a gainst the Speaker of Parliament's decision to deny them a debateon a motion of no confidence in the president. If it is debated, it does not really matter whether the vote is secret or not, there will be more than 67 MPs from the ANC to support the motion and Jacob Zuma will have to resign immediately.
It is also clear that Jacob Zuma hardly has support around the country based on ANC branch nominations and public opinion polls. Jacob Zuma is losing the poltical battle in Limpopo, Gauteng, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape and North-West, while Motlanthe has branches in KZN, Mpumalanga and Freistata nominating him. Motlanthe must just listen to ANC branches and refuse to be intimidated by the likes of Kebby Mphatsoe, Sdumo Dlamini. The ANC should also make sure that KZN, Freistata and Mpumalanga do not take to National Conference deleates from branches that never quorated. Jacob Zuma cannot win a secret ballot contest against Kgalema Motlanthe is Mangaung. And looking at the evidence on how his corruption charges were dropped, it is highly likely that the charges will be re-instated. And the ANC does not want to find itself in such quandary.
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MommaCMakhosini0408
With the current level of political sophistication (or not) and the lack of knowledge surrounding the principles of democracy? Yes, the majority are just dupes in this game - for now
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My sentiments exactly. Pity that their course or destiny remains static while polotician gets a free ticket to milk our coffers dry with impunity.
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MSG_SMakhosini0408
!#Sinudeity#!
MGEEZ - Who elects a guy as president if he doesnt even know the difference between a bond or a loan?
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Do we have a new definition of democracy or did I miss something? It is your right to challenge the President but I find it very puzzling if not patronisation ......
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Morning Makhosini: I dont want to talk for!#Sinudeity#! but was his comment not based on the fact that the president was dishonest to what he said in that parliament so much that he didnt know where to base his lies?
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Good Afternoon MSG_S. I hear you.
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sgubhusenkwishi
All those stupid theories around the bond are none starters, let the president be suspended from his job and give a chance to investigators to do a job without interference and if cought for fraud that s it for him . we cant afford to be abused as cash cows for the corrupted anc mafias.Report Abuse
TonkiYaPoho
The bond is from SHABIR SHAIK! lol
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!Bosepa.2
I have no choice but to blame Dr Malinga......Report Abuse
Tasto_
Ppl I just re-read the article he said the bond was for the first phase but the problem is no ONE has any records or phase one or 2 or 3 whateva phase !! No J-zee awunamaqhinga this Lindiwe chick is allova you wabona iproblem yoshela ngemali sishumane?Other thing u became playa afta 1994 !!
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Mule
Demolish!!!Report Abuse
nevermindme
If Zuma get re-elected as ANC president, then one more VOTE lost by ANC from me... ANC is already losing votes and lost more votes to COPE, if Zuma goes back then it might just not win this time!Nooo Zuma
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Tasto_
@nevermindme - if he wins the international institutions gonna blackmail SA, the S&P rating would look like picnic in the park.Ammunition is there to remove anc in 2014 and reclaim control mineral resources, they(anc) will fite ova disused mines&mine dumps !!Marikana&winefarms, farmkilings gonna be used against us to hold us @ransom.Factions inside would be deadlier than b4!! U already have aboRamaphosa reporting to their London masters and we must ignore these telltale signs!!Report Abuse
Fergie
JZ Bond 777...Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Tasto_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?
Le ya tella lona.
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Mothafcuker is guilty&corrupt both !!
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That's your president you're insulting wena man.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Not my president. I dont follow corrupt, lying scuuumbags.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Mfan'omnyamaBLOODY MORON.
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Bloody moron is peacefully sleeping down there between your legs.
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Tasto_
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Tasto_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What happened to "he's not guilty till proven so"?
Le ya tella lona.
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That's your president you're insulting wena man.
I don't have problem with the person maar his stupidity can't stand it!! What broke the camel's back was his alleged utterance in court of law bat "Shower after unprotected sex" then I was proven beyond doubt that he is a moron !!
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Dzel
Tasto_Ppl I just re-read the article he said the bond was for the first phase but the problem is no ONE has any records or phase one or 2 or 3 whateva phase !! No J-zee awunamaqhinga this Lindiwe chick is allova you wabona iproblem yoshela ngemali sishumane?
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Phase 1 refers to when the initial rondavels were built i.e. the time when Reddy and Sheik were bankrolling him. This round of construction is what they are calling Phase 2.
As I stated both Phase seem to have been financed through corrupt means.
The interesting thing about Zuma's reply in Parliament is he seems to segment Phase 2 into components of the construction:
Security component - this comprises of the Fencing, bullet proof windows - this we are told was paid for by government - even at the most ridiculous quote I would say R 40m is excessive for this expenditure
His living quarters - this according to Zuma is areas used by himself and his family, these are the 5 rondavels he claims to have received a bond for. Even if we were to calculate the figure at the escalated R 8m per unit his total contribution amounts to R 40m for the 5 rondavels in question.
The rest of the development is seems to be distancing himself from including the many houses for "security personnel" so in effect he is pleading ignorance on. So the lift, on site hospital, on site fire station and everything else we are supposed to believe were all done by some over eager public servant and the president has no knowledge of this construction. Right!!!
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@ProgressiveAfricanDemocratSome very interesting observations from you sir/madam.
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FarCeSpotter
I am not even going to read all the comments. I am just quietly comparing Obama with Zuma.Do we need anything else to be said. Only in South Africa can one man have so many scandals and still be in presidency. Everywhere else he would be kicked out without a second though.
Why are we so tolerant of poor leadership. It is our responsibility to choose the best and most honorable leader possible.
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MabhebezaEC___69!!!
ABZ......Anyone But Zuma!!!Report Abuse
MabhebezaEC___69!!!
@nevermindmeIf Zuma get re-elected as ANC president, then one more VOTE lost by ANC from me... ANC is already losing votes and lost more votes to COPE, if Zuma goes back then it might just not win this time!
Nooo Zuma
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Make that two votes lost, but not to COPE from me, i'll just not vote!!!!!!!
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Tasto_
@Dzel - R40million just for rondavel ?Be that be a 20 year bond @8.5% for R40m will require instalment of around R341k per month.JZ salary is around R2m per month pre-tax.Is he living beyond his means ?PS - I am not fan of Kgalema & I didn't vote anc in 2009 but he was subjected to public scrutiny recently&allegation against didn't stick like JZ's one like flieds to a sh%T!!
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Tasto_
I meant JZ salary is around R2m per annum pre-tax !!Report Abuse
-Cl!ck-
@ MabhebezaEC___69!!!You sound like Gwede Mantashe taking a sh!t..
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MzilikazikaMashobane
After Magaung ANC conference in Dec, the is gonna be bloodshed in this country - believe you meReport Abuse
Yotywa
I dont understand the title of this article. Its as if Zuma had ever been truthfull about anything. He lies all the time.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
YotywaI dont understand the title of this article. Its as if Zuma had ever been truthfull about anything. He lies all the time
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Spot on He even lied to his many wives how do you love six women at a go
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MGEEZ
@DzelThe rest of the development is seems to be distancing himself from including the many houses for "security personnel" so in effect he is pleading ignorance on. So the lift, on site hospital, on site fire station and everything else we are supposed to believe were all done by some over eager public servant and the president has no knowledge of this construction. Right!!!
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The men is a compulsive lair period!!!!
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Tasto_
On Thursday Zuma told Parliament: “I took the decision to expand my home and I built my home with more rondavels, more than once. And I fenced my home. And I engaged the bank and I’m still paying a bond on my first phase of my home.”vs.
A Durban businessman says he lent President Jacob Zuma money to pay for the first phase of the upgrade of his Nkandla residence, and that Zuma had repaid the money
Who is lying between these two morons, how many phase ones were there?
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RobinX
Oh, and Jakes. Best be careful about waggling that finger so. We all know what happened to PW Botha who also loved doing that. Look where it got him.Report Abuse
Credo
He has lied many times before - It is in his blood so lying just comes naturally to him.The saddest part is that 66% of South Africans voted for this liar.
Those who voted for him, are in essence just as bad as him, who have absolutely no ethics or morals.
Can you live with it ?
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Tasto_
I am going to my bank managaer to see if I can take out additional bond to build myslef rondavel kwAmatholeBasin in Middledrift on the outbacks of Hogsback in EC ?Report Abuse
Moss22
A Durban businessman has come forward to say he lent Zuma the money for phase one and he paid it back and took a second loan, yah nehReport Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Moss22 - Wonder who else JZ owes favours too...Report Abuse
Letjatji
ZUMA =ZULU UNEDUCATED MALE ADULTi really had enough of this idiot that want to legislate a law to respect him
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sgubhusenkwishi
corruption started during anc campeign, when they were bribing the poors by food parcels and chiken packs, people kept quite and enjoy bribes, this escalated after anc wining, friends ,family and girl friends getting tenders and some getting slept to get tenders, people kept quite, some being silenced by higher positions to keep quite and get on with the job, now corruption is at its highest peak, people know about it but they wont say a word because they want to keep their positions within a gravey train, tenders and variaties of treatments to girl friends.Opposition parties are on their own to question corruption by govt, though the public is sharing the same sentiments with the opposition but their powers are locked into the ransom storages by govt. The govt is using the same powers given to them by the public through corrupted votes to abuse the funds of the same poor masses and at the same time to silence the opposition parties.
The question is than, where is our future with this kind of democracy? cooked up out of the corrupted poor masses for the endgain of the few fatcats inpower.
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clevergirl
vote of no confidence pls bt im also afraid,if kgalema steps in we r in trouble,juju cumin bakReport Abuse
common1
Zuma is only doing whats good for his family as our former president MANDELA did for Nquthu in transkei so i see no problem why people have to judge him for doing good for his own family..Report Abuse
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