TLekota

Send them packing they useless. But more divisions
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Pointman

How is this possible - with so many ANC cadres fighting with each other to get a job, it should not be possible for outsiders to fraudulently get on the list. Maybe this is a good old fashioned witch hunt?
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MommaC

The ANC is worse than Cope! They can't even organise a list of members without something fishy going on. I couldn't believe how they had wrangled this. The people who had their identities stolen and fraudulently put onto the membership list should sue.
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ancnduntsu

The ANC alwayz goes after small fish. Mshosholozi is a dodgy President but continues to fart in the Onion buildings.
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Msiphos00

Dlamini-Zuma is supposed to be at AU by now
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Tsar-Rasputin

I care swear the so called corrupt officials all support the "forces of change", is this findings convenient in order to weaken the challenge to Zuma's second term? Only time will tell!!!
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Mdala

These issues have killed the ANC and in return ANC should fire these corrupt people period
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Floccino

Dismiss all of them including Nkandlaville Showerhead illiterate Mshini Wam Zuma. I think they are corrupt because of the brainless Showerhead.
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Winilen

Almost all ANC councilours are not chosen by the people
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sosnana

Who are these idiots try to fool because they again want to elect their own people there.
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Voetzek

let them face the music including the people who hired them, MRS ZUMA im proud of yoooo
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MophemeKoPitori

I think they should start by sacking President Showerhead!!! And in the ANC, corruption is rife
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MGEEZ

"The 125 were pointed out country-wide where the team found there had been "gross violation of the guidelines, internal nomination and selection process".
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Since Zuma and his cronies took over the reigns in the ruling party; corruption and all manner of nefarious activities has been the order of the day!!!! As a matter of fact the word ANC and corruption are now synonymous!!!
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RobinX

Let's see some action actually taken before we hold our breath.
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MGEEZ

The report warned that if the ANC failed to follow the recommendations, the party's leadership risked being seen to be endorsing such wrongful acts.
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But this is precisely what happened when Juju was elected the first time as president of the youth league!!! The ANC NEC endorsed an undemocratic process that took place in bloemfontein.So what's really new? I think though we need to have our national elections under strict supervision of International observers or the ruling party may manipulate them as evidently is the case with their own leadership elections!!!!
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Mgaraji

MommaC
The ANC is worse than Cope! They can't even organise a list of members without something fishy going on. I couldn't believe how they had wrangled this. The people who had their identities stolen and fraudulently put onto the membership list should sue.
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You are contrasting the incomparable. Cope that cannot even hold elective conference, with illegitimate leadership at the helm. All opposition parties except Da cannot go to elective conferences or have one leader for life. Is your love for cope blinding you to that fact.
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Shredder

"THE jobs of 125 ANC councillors are on the line after the ruling party was told they were elected under dodgy circumstances"

Zuma is a RSA president under dodgy circumstances.
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RobinX

Mgaraji: "Cope that cannot even hold elective conference" - Uhm, The AC isn't doing that well on that front, given the spate of assassinations of regional leaders all over the place.
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MommaC

Mgaraji

I 'love' no political party. I'm not a puppet, I have a brain
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Lehido

ANC - African National Crooks
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lerato777777

come to emalahleni if you want to learn about corruption
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

Most damning in the report is the finding that some councillors were not even ANC members at the time of their nomination as candidates.
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I give up.
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TrapStar

If you had to get an Honours to be a councillor/Politician, Im telling you we were going to have a few of them in the country and a good government which knows what they are doing instead of building a toilet worth 10Million(eNKandla)
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Mgaraji

MommaC
Mgaraji

I 'love' no political party. I'm not a puppet, I have a brain
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God gave all of us brain, he even gave brains to your enemies & puppets as well. What have you invented or done so significant to prove your brain is better than the rest?
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MommaC

Mgaraji

I don't worship a political party
You may also want to look up the definition of a 'puppet'
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RobinX

Mgaraji: And your magnificent credentials, your Highness?
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Mgaraji

RobinX
Mgaraji: "Cope that cannot even hold elective conference" - Uhm, The AC isn't doing that well on that front, given the spate of assassinations of regional leaders all over the place.
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But it is doing it in the face of challenges you mentioned.
Your DA want black people as voters not as members because they are shying away from baggage it will bring to manage masses, their tendencies and their demands. Only selected black educated people are wanted as DA members not masses.
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Mgaraji

RobinX
Mgaraji: And your magnificent credentials, your Highness?
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I clean toilets floor at the taxi rank. Madamme
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MGEEZ

@Mgaraji;@RobinXand @ Mommac
Please let us stick to the story, I beseech thee!!!
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RobinX

Mgaraji: With respect, With such violence marring the process, one can hardly say they are making a success of it. Given the violent struggles, the outcome can hardly be seen as a result of a democratic process when people act out of fear.

Your remarks re the DA are irrelevant. I have no interest in the DA, as I constantly point out. Why even bring it up?
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX / MommaC - At some stage you "draadsitters" will have to decide which party you will vote for.
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swona

what would hapen if the president is corrupt? or he lies in the national assembly? is he not under oath? what weight are the words said in that room carry?
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MommaC

!#Sinudeity#!

I'm sorry but I will not become a political sycophant. I will vote for the party who I think will do the best job of governing our country. Nobody gets my unquestioning devotion - they must work for it. I'd rather be a 'draadsitter' than a part of the meek flock inside that fence.
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swona

Dlamini must start with her former boyfriend Jac Bond!
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RobinX

Sin. I object to being branded a draadsitter simply because I refuse alignment to a party. My vote will be on the basis of the integrity and poptential usefulness of individual candidates. I will NEVER toe a party line and prefer to think in a non-aligned manner. That does NOT make me indecisive nor does it make me any less useful as a citizen.
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RobinX

Mgeez: Why?
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RobinX

MommaC: And rather a draadsitter than a gatkruiper.
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Missjoy

Only 125, the Number of corrupt Councillors is more than that.
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Tasto_

@ MommaC
The ANC is worse than Cope! They can't even organise a list of members without something fishy going on. I couldn't believe how they had wrangled this. The people who had their identities stolen and fraudulently put onto the membership list should sue.

This is IDENTITY theft a serious offence of fraud!!No wonder crime is out of control !!

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MommaC

RobinX

The irony is that the DA supporters are just as unthinking as the devoted ANC supporters are. They are two sides of the exact same, double headed, coin. I won't become that.
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1patriotnotparrot

That is good news, and I am just wondering what are the numbers in my province, NW. But I think the ANC must also investigate regional and provincial who endorsed such wrong candidates for I believe there's a 'syndicate(s)' active in the ANC in this province, the sooner we get rid of those, the faster the ANC will be credible in the eyes of many and we still have a lot to do to better the lives of our people

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Fred55

so we are saying that there are corrupt councillors that were not elected and there is corruption and fraud within the ANC branches.

How can we have any trust that the delegates at Mangaung have been honestly elected by the rank and file ordinary ANC members ???

So it goes without saying that butternut head and his cronies will be elected by a larger number of delegates that the people had no say in appointing. Corrupt cadres will appoint the president for the whole country.

This is wrong and not democratic.
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Fred55

How many delegates will be at Mangaung, four thousand maybe?

At least a third of those delegates will probably be there because the crooked, cheated and paid their way into their positions.

KZN has had branch numbers inflated so Mr Shower will remain president of the county. What a sham!
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RobinX

MommaC: ME neither. NEVER!
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!#Sinudeity#!

MommaC / RobinX - Im still convinced that you guys are merely doing this to avoid confrontations on the sowetan. ANC is bad, but I dont support the DA. I voted ANC in 1994, but now they are too corrupt.

Of course, you can vote for one of the minor opposition parties, but Im pretty sure I know how you guys will vote during the elections. The battlelines have been drawn, the sides have been identified, and their intentions have been made public.

Now, are you going to fight for the future of South Africa, or will you rather remain neutral?

Did you guys pick a side during apartheid?
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RobinX

Sin. Of course I voted for a particular dispensation in 1994, but the situation was entirely differenr. I picked liberation NOT A SIDE. TYour remarks are becomeing rather objectionable. Not everyone needs to be a party sycophant in order to make a useful contribution to politics. Be careful when questioning positions during the struggle. If you wish to vote for a party regardl;ess of individual performance you are welcome to do so. However, I elect to research individual candidates' performance, make my own decisions based ion my own criteria. I WILL NOT allow party apparatchiks to precribe my attitude, EVER. I don't care how sure you think you are of my approach. The fact that you think X does not simply make X valid. Now please, go and pick your petty squabbles with apparatchiks of some other atupid grouping. Me, I think for myself. Now get off your bloody high horse before it throws you.
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RobinX

Sorry about the typos above. Fingers were over-eager in my irritation.
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MommaC

!#Sinudeity#!

Ironically, the last party that I supported was the UDF. Possibly why I tend to have a soft spot for the old UDF leaders and the parties they are in?

The DA has not convinced me that they are any more capable of governing SA than the ANC are. The problem is that no other party has done so either. I don't know who I'll vote for in the next elections - many things can happen between now and then. It will very much depend on who is the head of each party at the time and what my faith in their abilities are. Come closer to the time and I will nail my colours to a mast for the duration of the elections but that still won't mean that it is unconditional. After the elections, I will go right back to being critical of any mistakes.

I don't really think my history on here has shown me to be non-confrontational.
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spirro

i thouhgt she is in addis
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Strange how you are blowing things out of proportion to suit your own argument. According to you, one can either be neutral, or a party sycophant.


"Now get off your bloody high horse before it throws you."

Exactly Robin, exactly.
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RobinX

Sin. You were the one who employed the objectionable term "draadsitter" so I simply put things in a more reasoned perspective. You may beieve what you wish, just don't slander me, okay. Have a good day.
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NgwanawaMorena

"A task team headed by former home affairs minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma has recommended that 125 ANC councillors undergo a fresh selection process and resign should they not be re-nominated as candidates by the party's branches."

I don't have a problem with their decisions as long as they don't use our taxes. How can Dr. Dlamini-Zuma & team come with such a costly recommendation. We don't have time for elections but we need service delivery. There is no guarantee that favoured candidates will win and deliver services where others have failed. I wish that this recommendation is dismissed as it will be costly to the country and will further distabilise the struggling municipalities. Let all the ANC councillors sign performance based contracts and then failures be permanently removed from standing for elections in the future. It is an ANC problem which they must address without destabilising the country. I wish that IEC, SALGA and SANCO will advice the ANC about the implications of the recommendations.
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RobinX

MommaC: Very nicely put.
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Your motivation may be honorable. Doesnt change the fact that you are a draadsitter.
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RobinX

Sin. Whatever. Really. As I said, rather that than a gatkruiper. Now I disengage from this ridiculus childish spat. Please go and take on your usual lot and leave us more mature thinkers to our own devices.
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Impela

!#Sinudeity#!
MommaC / RobinX - Im still convinced that you guys are merely doing this to avoid confrontations on the sowetan. ANC is bad, but I dont support the DA. I voted ANC in 1994, but now they are too corrupt.

Of course, you can vote for one of the minor opposition parties, but Im pretty sure I know how you guys will vote during the elections. The battlelines have been drawn, the sides have been identified, and their intentions have been made public.

Now, are you going to fight for the future of South Africa, or will you rather remain neutral?

Did you guys pick a side during apartheid?
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Sides always picked themselves here.
Bl@cks on one side with a smartering of bleeding hearts - whyte liberals
Whytes on the other side with a smartering of big kitchen boys - master's lapdogs
No one cared which side coloured, indians and coc'nuts picked
After many intelligent debates, the choices are still just that.
Everyone wishes it was different
Bl@cks say the whytes must change sides - none moves
Whytes say the bl@cks must change sides - none moves
Sides always just pick themseves here
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imfene

Molweni, morning all.
It makes no difference if this person or that person was elected by the anc process. The anc process does not allow for people in that community to decide on their representitive. A representitive is foisted on them. That is dictatorial and is the basis of problems in our country. My ancesters are still waiting for freedom of choice.

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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Just saying it like it is, oom. Next time you want to disengage from a conversation...

Dont keep on posting comments.
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Impela

imfene
Molweni, morning all.
It makes no difference if this person or that person was elected by the anc process. The anc process does not allow for people in that community to decide on their representitive. A representitive is foisted on them. That is dictatorial and is the basis of problems in our country. My ancesters are still waiting for freedom of choice
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It is a free country afterall!
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MommaC

imfene

You have the choice to not vote ANC. There are always more than one candidate on the list
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RobinX

Impela: You may of course use whatever outmoded racist terms you wish. And I shall choose to treat them with the contempt such thinking deserves. Some of those liberals you speak of died in the struggle. Others supplied safe houses for activists and spent periods in detention (without trial). What did you do? Were you even born?
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P4T

In our communities it is a common fact that to be an ANC councillor is a ticket to financial prosperity. Since this is the premise and common practise, it is no surprise that the system of electing councillors is corrupt. And this corruption will not end by firing the councillors involved, but by rehauling the entire system from its core which is lending itself to be corrupted.
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Impela

RobinX
Impela: You may of course use whatever outmoded racist terms you wish. And I shall choose to treat them with the contempt such thinking deserves. Some of those liberals you speak of died in the struggle. Others supplied safe houses for activists and spent periods in detention (without trial). What did you do? Were you even born?
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Some of the kitchen boys you choose not to talk of sold out their own so they could have a place in master's kitchen. What I did or did not do changes nothing. This goes for you too. Whatever heroics you engaged in or did not engage in changed nothing. The sides always choose themselves. This was documented so that it would not matter if one was born or not to hold an opinion.
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Impela

P4T
In our communities it is a common fact that to be an ANC councillor is a ticket to financial prosperity. Since this is the premise and common practise, it is no surprise that the system of electing councillors is corrupt. And this corruption will not end by firing the councillors involved, but by rehauling the entire system from its core which is lending itself to be corrupted
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Sad community you are stuck in P4T tjo! Here where I live there are elections where councilors are elected through the ballot box.
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-Cl!ck-

I want AWB to win the next general elections..

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sgubhusenkwishi

That is a politics of ANC driven by poverty and based on moral bankcrupsy , telling the poor that it is cold outside this corrupted party, meaning people are encouraged to join this shady party to enrich themselves than serving the public with integrity, that is why this party is full of illeterate population who dont believe in hard working or education than shortcuts to prosperity, failing which, a lot of killings follows as they dont get their way.
Potential people therefore become the target of massacre, as morons cant challenge them academically.
Another party has to take over the govt, otherwise this party will soon be joining our country on the list of failed african states that are glued on corruption, deception, neoptism, dictatorship and cheap poverty and victimology liberal nemesis.
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MommaC

Impela

That may be true in your limited little world - join us in the new century some time and see how we do things.
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P4T

Impela
P4T
In our communities it is a common fact that to be an ANC councillor is a ticket to financial prosperity. Since this is the premise and common practise, it is no surprise that the system of electing councillors is corrupt. And this corruption will not end by firing the councillors involved, but by rehauling the entire system from its core which is lending itself to be corrupted
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Sad community you are stuck in P4T tjo! Here where I live there are elections where councilors are elected through the ballot box.
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You are not getting the essence of my school of thought. That on its own is evidence of the very problem which lends itself to the corrupt practices that the ANC is finding itself at.
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RobinX

Sin. Saying it like you think it is is not the same as saying it as it is. I am no longer interested in this pathetic diatribe. You now bore me. Enjoy what's left of your day. You arrogance is rather irritating.
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RobinX

Impela: Pffft. You have not responded to my question regarding your input into our liberation. You sound to me very like a wannnabe that got to the table too late.
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Impela

RobinX
Impela: Pffft. You have not responded to my question regarding your input into our liberation. You sound to me very like a wannnabe that got to the table too late
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"You sound to me..." check your ears then
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RobinX

Impela: No thanks. Not on command from the mindless, sorry.
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Impela

MommaC
Impela

That may be true in your limited little world - join us in the new century some time and see how we do things.
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Nothing new ever happens - so thanks for the invite.
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Impela

P4T
Impela
P4T
In our communities it is a common fact that to be an ANC councillor is a ticket to financial prosperity. Since this is the premise and common practise, it is no surprise that the system of electing councillors is corrupt. And this corruption will not end by firing the councillors involved, but by rehauling the entire system from its core which is lending itself to be corrupted
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Sad community you are stuck in P4T tjo! Here where I live there are elections where councilors are elected through the ballot box.
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You are not getting the essence of my school of thought. That on its own is evidence of the very problem which lends itself to the corrupt practices that the ANC is finding itself at.
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"the essence of my school of thought", you have no school of thought. You have an opinion based only on your exposure. One just hopes that exposure is vast.
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Thats the 3rd time you posted on this forum that you are not addressing my comments anymore :P
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RobinX

Sin. I am not dogmatic and do not bear grudges. When I disengage it is for a period or a particular line of discourse. I am amazed that you are so petty as actually to count the entries. Shame man, really. That is just funny. Do you count farts as well?
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MommaC

Impela

Life is dynamic. If you don't move forward then you remain behind. That is the way of the world. If you want to go the way of the dinosaurs then go ahead
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Its not that difficult to count to three...
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RobinX

Sin: You'd be amazed. The number isn't the issue, man. It's the fact that you actually keep a tally. How pathetic is that. Best lay off now while I am still being polite.
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!#Sinudeity#!

RobinX - Are we now arguing about my counting skills?
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MommaC

!#Sinudeity#!
RobinX

LOL
.....don't make me stop this car!
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RobinX

Sin: DOn't be fu king ridiculous now. Of course you can count to three you twit. Even you can manage that. As I said very very clearly: It is the fact that you are so SMALL as to count such things that is pathetic. Now ENOUGH. Go and play with the other kids.
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Bongzzah

Its good that something is being done about corruption. However, the ANC should put in place supervision tools to enable them to closely watch their councilors to see if they are doing their jobs because that is what they were appointed for to their positions. Those that are found t be inefficient and corrupt should be given the sack ASAP.
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masende

mubi nangumfazi thixo
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paracute

I know it's hot very sunny but Maam please wear glasses off or find a better pair that will probably suit you best if not better keep on doing S A proud out there Dr. Z. please know that some of us are 100% behind you either way.
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Msiphos00

I wonder if she is around here today I don't see any comments from her
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Bafhuwi

The one that i know which was elected robarsly is ward 62 councillor at Zonkizizwe
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madimetsha

one word...............Mangaung, ...............................................................this is operation remove counsellors not in favour of certain candidates.......this counsellors have been there for ever,,....who will pay for the by-elections?
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JohnStone

When the ANC promised that this matter will be investigated and action be taken should the alleged irregularities be proven to be true, many herein expressed doubt that the ANC will act. Now that the ANC has done as promised, the usual sceptics are still out in full force, shifting the goal posts as always.

Personally I commend the ANC for taking voters seriously by investigating the allegations of list manipulation.

It is obvious from almost 99% of comments herein that we live in the land of fools and idiots! Ahem.
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Lunguza

How can you assign Nkosazana Zuma really to do such menial work? Her hands must be full with AU responsibilities.
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