Nov 15, 2012 | Mpho Sibanyoni and Tebogo Monama |
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THREE out of five public servants who have sought assistance from the Consumer Fair are drowning in debt as a result of each having more than two garnishee orders.
This Mamphela Ramphela lady just go tjatjarag when she speak. I will start hate being black everything bad is black, black market, blacklisting, there will be black collarcrime soon. Maybe tender chopping is blackcollarcrime. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
TLekota
@ Sebola, who works for the East. Mugabe? Look east policy?
Haai Suka maan, learn to manage your money. Those Marikana guys should have learnt to manage their lives rather than complaining I earn R4000 and I maintain 8 people. Hell the employs you not the 8 people behind you. What do u think of someone who will borrow money to buy booze or entertain nyatsi. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
MGEEZ
Financial literacy and exercising self restraint is required here. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
MGEEZ
The gentlemen on the picture looks very much like the former old Bophuthatswana leader (Lucas Magophe), i thought it was his son. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
TLekota
Sowetan she was quoted saying Most Sadtu teachers are druggies, drunkard and in debts at the UCT School of Business. That woman has gone mad, I wonder who she is trying to impress because she had double scandals as a nyatsi, she must go away with her bastard son. The doctorate made her maal. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Pointman
@MGEEZ - I thought he looked like Mangope too and looked at the caption to make sure. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
MophemeKoPitori
The competition between the govt workers is amazingly HIGH hence the debts. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
candilious
MGEEZ
Financial literacy and exercising self restraint is required here
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Totaly Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
zuluchick
ok maRamphele i respect and I loved your book
but really now? we vant blame government for people wholive beyond their means, its hard enough affording rent, water, electricity and food! but peopel force matters and open accounts at Edgars Foschini what what and then fail to keep up with payments forgeting interest
they buy their children expensive s.hit forever buying perfume from Avon etc etc they are asking this debt...how can they solve?? Just live simple lives mense it cant be that hard!! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
jnrb
I have sympathy with people who are e.g. teachers, nurses, factory workers etc who just can't get through on their salaries (and working longer hours won't help either). Then to rub salt in their eyes Minister Lindiwe Sisulu chartered a luxury Gulfstream jet more than 200 times between Pretoria and Cape Town, at the cost of R200,000 a trip. (http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/11/14/sisulu-lashes-out-at-da-mp) However, there are a large number of people who drive expensive cars and who simply can't afford it. South Africans are obsessed with cars - just look at the number of BMW's, Mercs, Audi's etc on the road. People should also learn to live within their means.
Because they don't have that much of a work to do. They get bored and start spending money...I visited environmental affairs office the other day. Everybody was just sitting around doing nothing.
Teachers, polices and health employees do work a bit. Other government employees are getting paid for doing nothing. You can see how fat they are.... Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
thinya
Most teachers earn between R150000 and R380000 a year, yeah neh! and still they go to abomashonisa. There are people out there working for government who are still earning between R51000 and R68000 a year, I think this Marikana protest must come as an eye opener to us public servants. No more percentages but real figures when we negotiate for salaries, unions watch out! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Voetzek
Sowetan you are right on this one, most of the teachers are drunkads to the last degree, last week i saw my former teacher looking like hobo and asking R50 from me smelling fuggy alcohol, i was so ashamed to know that zombi. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
lerato777777
Sowetan why blog us on the Zuma notes article kgane dont we have that freedom of speech? le tlo ntena bjale Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Tsar-Rasputin
Thami Bolani looks like younger version of LUCAS MANYANE MANGOPE!!!!
Maybe during the induction of new Public Servants , financial management literacy must be compulsory module. This will eliminate and/or reduce corruption!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
lekakamasepa
Ever since this woman came back from the Rothschild owned IMF she has become an apologist for white and western corporate interests! She hides behind her backround to make people believe that she is a critical thinker,but underneath it all she's just one of many western interests backed proxies on the African continent!
A re kgole nix, hence the hit! We demand 15% next year at least. This PDMS's ain't working Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Ayobas
Eish, don't mentioned, today is the 15th (pay-day) I m even afraid of checking how much I m still left with at the bank, maybe it has already axceeded my slary, shame poor me, Modimo nthuse. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Ayobas
@Little_Dude
A re kgole nix, hence the hit! We demand 15% next year at least. This PDMS's ain't working
What do you meant by "PDMS"? I know this shi't called PMDS, only works certain people close to the boss at HRM and the moderating committee. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
MommaC
If you can't afford to repay a loan then don't take one out. Live within your means. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - Typical ANC mentality you have. Instead of addressing criticism, you would rather attack the person verbally. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
vivla
I work for a government department and let me tell you the people here are something else. Everyday I am convinced that i don't belong here. Government employes illiterate iskhotanes. These people compete with things they don't have. they are forever forcing matters. You cannot park a Q7 under a dilapidated flat in Sunnyside while sharing a 2 bedroom flat with 10 people and then you think you are ballin. Let me not go to the woman..clothing account after clothing account but when the person walks past you, you see no difference. Priorities are seriously twisted, no wonder they are under so much debt. Stupidity at its best. Some people get me a job outside government. help! help! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
MorokaLebola
Mokgekolo Ramphele mara le yena! She is negetive about everything all time. You cannot be negetive everything you open your mouth and expect us to think you are normal. Hence she looks like she ageing by the day. She sound so bitter its sad. Shame nyatsi ya batho! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
MorokaLebola - She isnt negative, she is criticizing the incompetent and corrupt government. Bad people prosper when good people do nothing.
Either take the criticism, or sit down. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Impela
@vivla
I'd go via UNISA if I were you Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
lekakamasepa
I'll repeat it again Mamphele Ramphele is a proxy of white western corporate interests, She was trained by the Greedy IMF, she easily get's away with it because most people think that because of her struggle credentials and educational backround she's still the same person she was before she left to work for the Rothschild IMF. She's a chartlatan who's shilling on behalf of the west to the detriment of the unsuspecting masses who think she is still part of the black consciousness movement! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
This is Jacob Zuma's grand plan:
- The biggest investigation and court case in SA history, launched against Jacob for corruption
- Disband the Scorpions for investigating him for corruption
- Spy on the telephone calls of citizens
- Illegally acquire the taped phone conversations of the president
- Use illegal spytape to make secret deals with government
- Implement secrecy bill
- Classify spytapes as national secret
- Never ever have to face justice Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - I'll repeat again. You are the product of the interests of the political elite in South Africa. Shouting vocal abuses at critics of the ruling party. Ignorant to the failures of the ruling party. She has more knowledge of economics than all of the ANC put together. And she is critical of these fake-communist/capitalists that you call your leaders. Sleeping in the boardrooms as directors of British mining companies. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
lekakamasepa
I don't reply or entertain attention seeking shills.
The ANC is TERRIFIED of allowing debate on Zuma's vote of no confidence. They are so worried that some of the ANC members will vote against JZ in a secret ballot, that they are simply blocking the motion.
JiC, a mining labour brokering company, belonging to Duduzane Zuma and Tony Gupta, will be retrenching hundreds of workers. Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
http://www.jic.co.za/ -> The Zuma's are into labour brokering Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
lekakamasepa
Has it ever dawned upon some of you that some of us are anarchists and anti establishment No ANC, no DA, no COPE etc..but the people for themselves, determining their own destiny without so called Governments and Corporates? Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - If you are an anarchist and 'anti-establishment', why defend the ANC? Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
malemaforpresident
The director-general in the office of the premier, Rachel Molepo-Modipa had to apologise to members of Scopa at a hearing probing the affairs of the premier's office on Tuesday.
The apology resulted from her failed attempts to explain an amount of R641 410 incurred by the premier Cassel Mathale for "fuel claims’ that were recorded as fruitless and wasteful in the Auditor-General’s report on the financial statements of the premier's office for 2011/12.
The reasons for, and the service providers involved in any fruitless and wasteful expenditure transactions, were not listed in the written answers of the premier's office to Scopa, as is required for all departments.
When asked for details of the amount supplied the DG first claimed there were "various" issues or items involved.
When probed for further detail she said some cars were going to be sold at an auction taking place today, (Thursday) and then later said the amount pertained to the premier's car.
When further pressed for clarity about what the cars sold at an auction had to do with the fruitless and wasteful expenditure, she said the premier's car had to be sold during the last financial year for exceeding official kilometres, but was only to be sold now. Only when pressed further did she admit that the fruitless and wasteful expenditure was for "fuel claims" incurred by the premier.
Review reported in February that the premier was using his private vehicle in preference to two official vehicles, a BMW 750i and a BMW X5 at his disposal.
He was allegedly paid a travel claim of R371 000 in September 2011, as well as his salary of R75 000.
At the time his spokesperson Mashadi Mathosa said he was entitled to use his own car according to the ministerial handbook.
Review established that when an official vehicle was not available "all distances travelled for official purposes in private vehicles may be claimed at a tariff equal to three times the standard running and maintenance allowances as published in the financial manual from time to time".
Mathale's BMW 750i was bought in April 2009 and the X5 in June 2011.
New official vehicles may only be bought when the old vehicle had clocked up 120 000km or after five years, whichever comes first.
The five year clause did not apply in either case, and the 750i would have had to clock up 12 000km a month to be disqualified as an official vehicle.
• When phoning the auctioneer about the BMW 750i advertised to be auctioned today he said it had (nine months into the new financial year) 126 000km on the clock.
• The officials responsible for this "anomaly" of not preventing fruitless and wasteful expenditure were listed as the CFO and the senior manager of supply chain management in the premier's office, and the reasons provided were that "internal controls were not effective and efficient to prevent fruitless and wasteful expenditure."
According to section 38 (c) (ii) cited by the AG's report at the questioning of this expenditure, the accounting officer must prevent unauthorised, irregular and fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
During Scopa hearings for the department of public works it came to light that fruitless and wasteful expenditure amounting to R347 660,50 had also been incurred because of subsistence and travel allowances paid to the MEC of the department of public works at the time, during the 2011/12 financial year.
This was allegedly because the department had "delayed" replacing the official vehicle that had reached the maximum allowed kilometres.
The amount of R347 660,50, sufficient to buy a new luxury car, was claimed during a period of only four months.
The ANC "leadership"is controlled by the same Families and entities that used to control the Nationalist Government during Apartheid why the F@ck would I defend them? Just because I critisize Mamphele for riding on the Biko legacy to hide the fact that she is shilling for Global elites. IMF trained Alassane Quattara shilled in for them in the same way! Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Mara_Y
"The government and unions use employees who are in financial distress as voting fodder instead of acting as a support structure,"
COSATU help their members to take loans against their pension. they will never enjoy their hard earn money even after their working time Report Abuse
Government should be checking municipal workers salaries. There are 168 hours in a week, your normal working hours is 40, and you claim 85 hours of overtime????? You have 43 hours left for the week to sleep, eat, wash, and still go to shebeen. Eish. With so little time to yourself you are a danger to others cause you are tired and not doing your job properly. Teachers can then get an increase with this skelm "overtime". Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
cornelius
A person who receives a fixed salary has absolutely no excuse to live beyond their means - no sympathy, you have to take responsibitly for yourself Report Abuse
Nov 15, 2012
Sandile84
Corruption, Malema and the ANC is not what will bring South Africa down. What will bring South Africa down is debt and the unsecured credit market. Report Abuse
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SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
Loan sharks work for the WestRevenging against political defeat
Once political victory was attained
indebt the Black mass
garnishes and bad credit reports
to disempower the Black majority
they cant buy houses, cars etc but they say they rule SA
ensuring finacial ability's only in few's hands
Zwelinzima Vavi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take it back
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TLekota
This Mamphela Ramphela lady just go tjatjarag when she speak. I will start hate being black everything bad is black, black market, blacklisting, there will be black collarcrime soon. Maybe tender chopping is blackcollarcrime.Report Abuse
TLekota
@ Sebola, who works for the East. Mugabe? Look east policy?Haai Suka maan, learn to manage your money. Those Marikana guys should have learnt to manage their lives rather than complaining I earn R4000 and I maintain 8 people. Hell the employs you not the 8 people behind you. What do u think of someone who will borrow money to buy booze or entertain nyatsi.
Report Abuse
MGEEZ
Financial literacy and exercising self restraint is required here.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
The gentlemen on the picture looks very much like the former old Bophuthatswana leader (Lucas Magophe), i thought it was his son.Report Abuse
TLekota
Sowetan she was quoted saying Most Sadtu teachers are druggies, drunkard and in debts at the UCT School of Business. That woman has gone mad, I wonder who she is trying to impress because she had double scandals as a nyatsi, she must go away with her bastard son. The doctorate made her maal.Report Abuse
Pointman
@MGEEZ - I thought he looked like Mangope too and looked at the caption to make sure.Report Abuse
MophemeKoPitori
The competition between the govt workers is amazingly HIGH hence the debts.Report Abuse
candilious
MGEEZFinancial literacy and exercising self restraint is required here
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Totaly
Report Abuse
zuluchick
ok maRamphele i respect and I loved your bookbut really now? we vant blame government for people wholive beyond their means, its hard enough affording rent, water, electricity and food! but peopel force matters and open accounts at Edgars Foschini what what and then fail to keep up with payments forgeting interest
they buy their children expensive s.hit forever buying perfume from Avon etc etc they are asking this debt...how can they solve?? Just live simple lives mense it cant be that hard!!
Report Abuse
jnrb
I have sympathy with people who are e.g. teachers, nurses, factory workers etc who just can't get through on their salaries (and working longer hours won't help either). Then to rub salt in their eyes Minister Lindiwe Sisulu chartered a luxury Gulfstream jet more than 200 times between Pretoria and Cape Town, at the cost of R200,000 a trip. (http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/11/14/sisulu-lashes-out-at-da-mp) However, there are a large number of people who drive expensive cars and who simply can't afford it. South Africans are obsessed with cars - just look at the number of BMW's, Mercs, Audi's etc on the road. People should also learn to live within their means.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Because they don't have that much of a work to do. They get bored and start spending money...I visited environmental affairs office the other day. Everybody was just sitting around doing nothing.Teachers, polices and health employees do work a bit. Other government employees are getting paid for doing nothing. You can see how fat they are....
Report Abuse
thinya
Most teachers earn between R150000 and R380000 a year, yeah neh! and still they go to abomashonisa. There are people out there working for government who are still earning between R51000 and R68000 a year, I think this Marikana protest must come as an eye opener to us public servants. No more percentages but real figures when we negotiate for salaries, unions watch out!Report Abuse
Voetzek
Sowetan you are right on this one, most of the teachers are drunkads to the last degree, last week i saw my former teacher looking like hobo and asking R50 from me smelling fuggy alcohol, i was so ashamed to know that zombi.Report Abuse
lerato777777
Sowetan why blog us on the Zuma notes article kgane dont we have that freedom of speech? le tlo ntena bjaleReport Abuse
Tsar-Rasputin
Thami Bolani looks like younger version of LUCAS MANYANE MANGOPE!!!!Maybe during the induction of new Public Servants , financial management literacy must be compulsory module. This will eliminate and/or reduce corruption!!!!
Report Abuse
lekakamasepa
Ever since this woman came back from the Rothschild owned IMF she has become an apologist for white and western corporate interests! She hides behind her backround to make people believe that she is a critical thinker,but underneath it all she's just one of many western interests backed proxies on the African continent!Report Abuse
Little_Dude
A re kgole nix, hence the hit! We demand 15% next year at least. This PDMS's ain't workingReport Abuse
Ayobas
Eish, don't mentioned, today is the 15th (pay-day) I m even afraid of checking how much I m still left with at the bank, maybe it has already axceeded my slary, shame poor me, Modimo nthuse.Report Abuse
Ayobas
@Little_DudeA re kgole nix, hence the hit! We demand 15% next year at least. This PDMS's ain't working
What do you meant by "PDMS"? I know this shi't called PMDS, only works certain people close to the boss at HRM and the moderating committee.
Report Abuse
MommaC
If you can't afford to repay a loan then don't take one out. Live within your means.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - Typical ANC mentality you have. Instead of addressing criticism, you would rather attack the person verbally.Report Abuse
vivla
I work for a government department and let me tell you the people here are something else. Everyday I am convinced that i don't belong here. Government employes illiterate iskhotanes. These people compete with things they don't have. they are forever forcing matters. You cannot park a Q7 under a dilapidated flat in Sunnyside while sharing a 2 bedroom flat with 10 people and then you think you are ballin. Let me not go to the woman..clothing account after clothing account but when the person walks past you, you see no difference. Priorities are seriously twisted, no wonder they are under so much debt. Stupidity at its best. Some people get me a job outside government. help! help!Report Abuse
MorokaLebola
Mokgekolo Ramphele mara le yena! She is negetive about everything all time. You cannot be negetive everything you open your mouth and expect us to think you are normal. Hence she looks like she ageing by the day. She sound so bitter its sad. Shame nyatsi ya batho!Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
MorokaLebola - She isnt negative, she is criticizing the incompetent and corrupt government. Bad people prosper when good people do nothing.Either take the criticism, or sit down.
Report Abuse
Impela
@vivlaI'd go via UNISA if I were you
Report Abuse
lekakamasepa
I'll repeat it again Mamphele Ramphele is a proxy of white western corporate interests, She was trained by the Greedy IMF, she easily get's away with it because most people think that because of her struggle credentials and educational backround she's still the same person she was before she left to work for the Rothschild IMF. She's a chartlatan who's shilling on behalf of the west to the detriment of the unsuspecting masses who think she is still part of the black consciousness movement!Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
This is Jacob Zuma's grand plan:- The biggest investigation and court case in SA history, launched against Jacob for corruption
- Disband the Scorpions for investigating him for corruption
- Spy on the telephone calls of citizens
- Illegally acquire the taped phone conversations of the president
- Use illegal spytape to make secret deals with government
- Implement secrecy bill
- Classify spytapes as national secret
- Never ever have to face justice
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - I'll repeat again. You are the product of the interests of the political elite in South Africa. Shouting vocal abuses at critics of the ruling party. Ignorant to the failures of the ruling party. She has more knowledge of economics than all of the ANC put together. And she is critical of these fake-communist/capitalists that you call your leaders. Sleeping in the boardrooms as directors of British mining companies.Report Abuse
lekakamasepa
I don't reply or entertain attention seeking shills.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - And instead of addressing the comment, you resort to verbal abuse again :PTypical ANC.
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!#Sinudeity#!
The ANC is TERRIFIED of allowing debate on Zuma's vote of no confidence. They are so worried that some of the ANC members will vote against JZ in a secret ballot, that they are simply blocking the motion.ANC is a bunch of cowards.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Check this out:JiC, a mining labour brokering company, belonging to Duduzane Zuma and Tony Gupta, will be retrenching hundreds of workers.
Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
http://www.jic.co.za/ -> The Zuma's are into labour brokeringReport Abuse
lekakamasepa
Has it ever dawned upon some of you that some of us are anarchists and anti establishment No ANC, no DA, no COPE etc..but the people for themselves, determining their own destiny without so called Governments and Corporates?Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
lekakamasepa - If you are an anarchist and 'anti-establishment', why defend the ANC?Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
The director-general in the office of the premier, Rachel Molepo-Modipa had to apologise to members of Scopa at a hearing probing the affairs of the premier's office on Tuesday.The apology resulted from her failed attempts to explain an amount of R641 410 incurred by the premier Cassel Mathale for "fuel claims’ that were recorded as fruitless and wasteful in the Auditor-General’s report on the financial statements of the premier's office for 2011/12.
The reasons for, and the service providers involved in any fruitless and wasteful expenditure transactions, were not listed in the written answers of the premier's office to Scopa, as is required for all departments.
When asked for details of the amount supplied the DG first claimed there were "various" issues or items involved.
When probed for further detail she said some cars were going to be sold at an auction taking place today, (Thursday) and then later said the amount pertained to the premier's car.
When further pressed for clarity about what the cars sold at an auction had to do with the fruitless and wasteful expenditure, she said the premier's car had to be sold during the last financial year for exceeding official kilometres, but was only to be sold now. Only when pressed further did she admit that the fruitless and wasteful expenditure was for "fuel claims" incurred by the premier.
Review reported in February that the premier was using his private vehicle in preference to two official vehicles, a BMW 750i and a BMW X5 at his disposal.
He was allegedly paid a travel claim of R371 000 in September 2011, as well as his salary of R75 000.
At the time his spokesperson Mashadi Mathosa said he was entitled to use his own car according to the ministerial handbook.
Review established that when an official vehicle was not available "all distances travelled for official purposes in private vehicles may be claimed at a tariff equal to three times the standard running and maintenance allowances as published in the financial manual from time to time".
Mathale's BMW 750i was bought in April 2009 and the X5 in June 2011.
New official vehicles may only be bought when the old vehicle had clocked up 120 000km or after five years, whichever comes first.
The five year clause did not apply in either case, and the 750i would have had to clock up 12 000km a month to be disqualified as an official vehicle.
• When phoning the auctioneer about the BMW 750i advertised to be auctioned today he said it had (nine months into the new financial year) 126 000km on the clock.
• The officials responsible for this "anomaly" of not preventing fruitless and wasteful expenditure were listed as the CFO and the senior manager of supply chain management in the premier's office, and the reasons provided were that "internal controls were not effective and efficient to prevent fruitless and wasteful expenditure."
According to section 38 (c) (ii) cited by the AG's report at the questioning of this expenditure, the accounting officer must prevent unauthorised, irregular and fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
During Scopa hearings for the department of public works it came to light that fruitless and wasteful expenditure amounting to R347 660,50 had also been incurred because of subsistence and travel allowances paid to the MEC of the department of public works at the time, during the 2011/12 financial year.
This was allegedly because the department had "delayed" replacing the official vehicle that had reached the maximum allowed kilometres.
The amount of R347 660,50, sufficient to buy a new luxury car, was claimed during a period of only four months.
Report Abuse
lekakamasepa
The ANC "leadership"is controlled by the same Families and entities that used to control the Nationalist Government during Apartheid why the F@ck would I defend them? Just because I critisize Mamphele for riding on the Biko legacy to hide the fact that she is shilling for Global elites. IMF trained Alassane Quattara shilled in for them in the same way!Report Abuse
Mara_Y
"The government and unions use employees who are in financial distress as voting fodder instead of acting as a support structure,"COSATU help their members to take loans against their pension. they will never enjoy their hard earn money even after their working time
Report Abuse
Laqasha
shem!Report Abuse
mugpie
Government should be checking municipal workers salaries. There are 168 hours in a week, your normal working hours is 40, and you claim 85 hours of overtime????? You have 43 hours left for the week to sleep, eat, wash, and still go to shebeen. Eish. With so little time to yourself you are a danger to others cause you are tired and not doing your job properly. Teachers can then get an increase with this skelm "overtime".Report Abuse
cornelius
A person who receives a fixed salary has absolutely no excuse to live beyond their means - no sympathy, you have to take responsibitly for yourselfReport Abuse
Sandile84
Corruption, Malema and the ANC is not what will bring South Africa down. What will bring South Africa down is debt and the unsecured credit market.Report Abuse
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