Nov 14, 2012 | Mpho Sibanyoni Business Reporter |
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BILLIONAIRE Patrice Motsepe might as well have been dressed in a Father Christmas suit as he dished out R10-million to rural communities and churches this week.
Welldone Mr Motsepe - we need more people like you in Mzansi Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TLekota
We encourage laziness why don't we create jobs. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
pringle
well done Mr Motsepe' i promise dat 4rm today Sundows is going 2 win each an every league game>>>>>> Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
antie
Well done Mr Motsepe. You will be blessed and receive the money back tenfold to help more people. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Shredder
Khoza does not plough back to the communities and he holds many positions. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Floccino
Good for him, no wonder where he got this money from Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Mamelodian
Bravo, Mr Motsepe! We thank thank you. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
ancnduntsu
Whe is Ramaphosa's circus coming to town? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Mosquer
pringle
well done Mr Motsepe' i promise dat 4rm today Sundows is going 2 win each an every league game>>>>>>
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O tšea chance Report Abuse
Motsepe is a man of morals, a good businessman who understands that people don't derseve to starve.
BRAVO...
Eish, Motsepe is NOT equal to Sunflops Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TrapStar
Hope they wont take your money to NKANDLA, well done bro Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
EasyE1
Good job Mr Motsepe.....
And hope things will work out at Dununu fc as well.. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
alonso
Amazing, in North West they have spend R2.6million on two dams and some boreholes. Good work only if those who did this project can come to Mopani where that amount of money can only do one borehole that in six months is not working. Tenderisms mxm. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
maditaba
The timing, the timing very interesting. Congratulation to Motsepe and may the beneficiaries make the most of this windfall. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
longest1
@Floccino
Good for him, no wonder where he got this money from
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this man is billionare! where are you from?
Well done mr Motsepe, may God bless you. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
DJ-Winner
Well, it is good for our people. Good job... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
seribe
Well done Mr Motsepe sell sundowns and continue to do the good thing Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
chockstick
last weel the reported that his sister is trying to sell their grandmother's house. Patrice must also renovate his grandmother's house before all this..must start in the family Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
MGEEZ
I would like to differ with those of you who sing Patrice's praises and ask some simple questions that many in our country are afraid to ask and that is: how did he become a billionaire within such a short period of time? Why predominantly his beneficiaries are the affiliates of the ruling party, ie Cosatu? Is this really charity or pay back? Why was an individual in this dispensation allowed to amass so much wealth whilst there is such inequalities in our country? After all Patrice makes his money from the natural resources of this country, its not like he had an entrepreneurial idea!!! should the country expose its mineral resources to benefit one individual like this? What happened to the freedom charter clause that said all shall benefit from the wealth of this country? Charity is good; but this to me does not qualify to be called charity because Patrice was given rights (mining rights) by the Mbeki regime to be a sole beneficiary of our natural resources!!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Kone
Well done Sir Patrice Motsepe unlike others who bought Buffalos.!........... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Voetzek
" Son of the soil ploughs back wealth"
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we all know that he has been doing this for a decade now, and this story is old mutual Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
kabelo110
Floccino
Good for him, no wonder where he got this money from
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African Rainbow Minerals you snaaiy Report Abuse
We have still not addressed the question of natural resources and how communities should benefit. The crux of the mat.ter is the 85 million is a drop in the ocean given Motsepe got rich off the back of what belongs to all of us and what we should all be benefiting from. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Siphephelo
Thank you Motsepe.you not only giving back to community with donation but you also create jobs and promote education. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
nzaco
MGEEZ
so what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
masende
give this man a bells,God bless u tata Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
xhosagirl
you never hear Ivin Khosa donating money to charities. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
spirro
may God enlarge your teritory Mr MOTSEPE, you are not greedy like others who spend millions in a birthday party while other people are sleeping with hanger. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
MGEEZ
@Dzel
We have still not addressed the question of natural resources and how communities should benefit. The crux of the mat.ter is the 85 million is a drop in the ocean given Motsepe got rich off the back of what belongs to all of us and what we should all be benefiting from.
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Thank you; that is precisely my point!!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
DJ-Winner
The likes of Kenny Kunene and iziKhothane must learn. If you don't know what to do with a money, donate it. Not that thing of tearing it... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Lazba
Why did you give trade unions money? We are already paying membership fee. Are you trying to silence disgruntled workers? I'm sure that money could be used to empower young enterpreneurs Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
babyfats
I lack million mouths to say to you Mr Motsepe thaaaaaaaaaaaaank uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu,,,,,,,,, ukwanda kwaliwa ngumthakathiiiiiiiiiiiii , .............. kwande lapho uthathe khona.......... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Virgin.after.sex
Rea leboga Rre Patrice Tlhopane Motsepe. My bf wouldn't be where he is today had u not given him a chance. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TUGLYF
i just dont buy it. not all of us that gullible. this is wat we tax evasion in the highest order.
Mr mines Motsepe, you cab fool sm of the ppl sm of the time, BUT, u cnt fool all the ppl all the time.
this is all for his greedy benefit. they are all the same, different packaging same product. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
MGEEZ
@nzaco
MGEEZ
so what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge.
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Its simple really and indeed the is subterfuge behind the donations!!! Observe that each time the ANCYL speaks of nationalizing anything they do not talk about his mine!!! Report Abuse
so what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge.
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Given Marikana, labour unrest in the mining sector and the talk of nationalization I think this is about wanting to being seen as a responsible investor. That he may be but the question of mineral resources and how do communities benefit is still very relevant and the ANC shows no apatite in address this fundamental question so one has to ask why. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
babyfats
from nw on Mr Motsepe u a my president , m going to vote for u mcwiii struuuuuuuuu Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
candilious
Ja nee wolf covered in sheep skin sies ............. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Papage
Well done My President, I think you must challege Zuma for the ANC Presidancy. Please sell the Club to Natasha Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TUGLYF
son of the soil ploughs back MY ASSS!!!
that is fuken mine workers blood, mixed with our grand parents tears and taxpayers sweat (me and you included). dis punk was one of the first politically connected bafoons to receive BEE funds and benefits. so up the middle finger to him. thats our tax money! even worse, thats a political ploy to place himself in a better position to get more of our tax money to exploite more of our fellow countrymen. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
WannaBe
What are the churches going to do with the money? How will the communities benefits? or is this meant to increase membership? As for the COSATU affiliates, how will their members benefit? will they reduce subscription? or will Vavi create a nest-egg for his twins? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
nzaco
@Mgeez: man that is very simplistic and not really a convincing observation to back the generiosity..at least to me, u know.
@Dzel: a get that drift. so somehow this may be connected to some issues to be discussed in mangaung including "nationalisation" pros and cons....lol!
However: why do we sideline the human aspect of his actions? don't we think there are fellows with a concern for the poor and thus give. why do we always question good deeds? is it not that we stigmatize the rich and paint all with the same brush....sometimes its us who have some pre-conceived ideas
thats my perpective though not a fact. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Chichi7
He is doing what many fail to do and yet we have people here complaining. He is a man of privacy and does what needs to be done and for me that is enough. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
babyfats
haaaaaaaaaaaa shame bengisamangele ukuthi ayengaphi amanagative commenrtors , nazo u knw south africans can really amaze u , we always complain someone is trying to do better still compain he he he nywe nywe , u donig bad stil complain really theres no truth in dis planet called earth i jst wonder in haven hw a things de so far , i dont care whether stupid will swear at me or wat , & if u did u tooo snayi , sdanyampuphu swaniflue n 10 times if lyk. i mean y we cant LEARNT TO APPRECIATE Yeeeeeeeeeeee siesss man , yeeer i feel lyk i can puke when i read the weak ,hatred & nagative commentors siiiiiiiiiii Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Lehido
This is what im talking about...Well done Pat, Unlike Ramaphosa who give people money when they are dead Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
antie
Honeybadger, hi. I was too late for you yesterday. Ja, I am oldlady. Long story from losing password to crashing computer, so this is me now. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Doctor247
What a clever man he is. he is well aware of the conditions in the mining sector and the best way to deal with the problem is to defuse it even before it emerges. I can scream to the top of my voice with an empty mouth. But put a few slices of bread in it and I'll be quiet as a grave. He's just silencing us to get off his back. This way no one will suspect anyhting about him. Like questions asked by MGEEZ. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
T.C.T
But how come he give his province small amount of money but other provinces huge amount? or is he buying faces jst like he paid money to seat near ZOOMA in mangaung? yes he is a good man who do things to favour his businesses in return.And he is aware North West is going down the Drain but he dont put lot of money to create employment just like Bafokeng do! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
mavovokhabs
Thank you Mr Patrice Motsepe for giving such great gift to rural communities and churches. I wish your love to people can grow same as it happenning to you on other business people. Let even other people on developed areas see how important is to give on rural areas. Polititians for our economic growth it is better to do rural development. I'll be very happy if one university can be build at Ixopo, for more things to happen in such area.
I'm a little uncertain how to react to this but one part of me thinks this man is an economic opportunist who now seeks to sooth his conscience and the wrath of the people by giving handouts.
Is he giving a man a fish or teaching the man to fish? Is he just responding to fingers pointed at the greed and vast wealth of the new black industrialists like him or is he genuinely concerned with developing the people?
The timing and recipients of his hand outs is just too revealing of his real intentions. He is a fake! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Intomb'omxhosa
Bobby Motaung and his father must do the same. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Mdovu
Hope Impala Platinum staff received their increase Report Abuse
Money given to Sadtu, the beneficiaries will lodges & hotels, there will be more conferences where teachers get a chance to go bang each other. Report Abuse
@Dzel: a get that drift. so somehow this may be connected to some issues to be discussed in mangaung including "nationalisation" pros and cons....lol!
However: why do we sideline the human aspect of his actions? don't we think there are fellows with a concern for the poor and thus give. why do we always question good deeds?
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You know the problem with bo da.rkie is we are so used to being at the bottom of the pile or being given scraps we accept everything without questioning. I have no doubt that on the face of it Motsepe has done a good deed and helped communities but you have to think deeper than that.
Are you familiar with business; the concept of capital or owners equity and that is one provides capital in the form of cash, services, or inputs into the business then they are entitled to a share of the profits ... do you know all this?
I ask this question because if we agree that natural resources are at the core of mining operations and if there are no resources then Motsepe would not have made his billions. The resources he got rich from have by and large been mined and sold in the market; they are forever lost to South Africa. If we agree that government holds these rights on behalf of each and every single South Africans which means we should all share in the profits made from the harvesting and sale of these resources then we should be getting a share of the profits. We should be sitting in the main table, not holding a collective begging bowl waiting for Motsepe to brush crumbs our direction.
All charity work is appreciated, that is not the point. The point is Motsepe and other mine owners have become super-rich from what belongs to all of us while ordinary South Africans remain poor so you think we should be grateful he decides to share a small portion whenever he feels like it?
Can i send my bank account to u Mr Motsepe? u're doing a good work Sir, god bless. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Sasafrican
Oh Mr Motsepe you are a blessing indeed,kepp blessing others Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Charley4sure
Good job President Motsepe, please teach your generosity to the 2nd richest black person
in South Africa, the one who was heading the CODESA negotiations, your Bother in law Cyril Ramaphosa.
The wealth of this country, the one which was suppose to benefit each
and every individual in South Africa just benefited a few black elites, the politically connected.
Donating his money and especially to political parties and labour unions is a business imperative for Mr Motsepe. Nonetheless the gesture is welcomed.
But Mr Motsepe can't you do more than dishing money? Please advise your comrades to be prudent with state funds and stop being greedy. Also please advise them how to effectively implement their mandates to the constituencies which voted for them. Also please let them know that, that which they are doing right now, which is feeding their bellies at the expense of the poor, is not sustainable for the country and that include themselves and their families. By the way, Sir, giving such advice is also beneficial for your business' sustainability because you know that you can't prosper as a business if the majority masses are living in squalor and abject poverty. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Dzel
WordofGod
I understand how this donation can be seen as a good thing and it should be commended the problem is this comes across as a PR exercise than a genuine act of sharing. We are not alone in our condemnation:
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Charity begins at home, Motsepe told
November 14 2012 at 10:49am
By POLOKO TAU
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Johannesburg - Charity should begin at home. This is the message from mineworkers’ unions to mining mogul Patrice Motsepe and his company African Rainbow Minerals, which on Tuesday distributed R10 million to churches and community organisations.
The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (Amcu) joined the nation in expressing gratitude for Motsepe’s gesture, but said he should find a way of doing the same for those who create his wealth.
The money distributed was from African Rainbow Minerals’ broad-based black economic empowerment trust, which was established in 2005 with the aim of funding rural development, including welfare, community development and anti-poverty initiatives.
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WELL DONE PATRICE YOU ARE ONE IN A MILLION. WE NEVER HAD THAT IN THE PAST, YOU ARE ONE NON GREEDY ALIVE DIAMOND.
YOU WILL STILL REMAIN PROPEROUS LET THOSE WHO QUESTION THIS LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO HANG THEMSELVES ON A TOMATO TREE WHEN YOU PROSPER.
BE BLESSED !!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
clevergirl
We need people like you in our society ,thank you Mr Motsepe,may God bless you.God blessed and is still gonna bless you so that you continue to be a blessing to others.Leading by example,you are a true leader Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Stimela
how can you say you giving back to the community when you give money to COSATU unions (8.5 million), come on Mr. Motsepe that is just cheap politicking, that money will never rich the poor, Mr Mostepe where is you Bursary fund? how many poor children benefit?
Good one Mr Motsepe just hope & wish all that money does reach the poor.
Does it matter how Motsepe got his money, I never people questioning how Nicky Oppeheimer, John Rupet & Christoffel Wiese (the top 3 richest in SA) got their money. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
clevergirl
cosatu is representing the working class of our country,in other words he is empowering the workers of this country.se le se itsing ke go balabala,never say thank you,ntate motsepe o dira go tletse seatla,go feta le president ya naga or any ither minister even baruti ba itshotseng o kare ba itsi legodimo has never done what he is doing.le nnetse go bogola mo,didimakang fa le se na sepe se le ka se bua Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Maqhankqa
I'm not deceived by Motsepe's saving grace attitude. This guy thinks the rest of us are as stupid as some have fallen for his shenanigans. Motsepe is one of the main people who are looting the resources of this country. He is trying to portray himself as a holier than thou person. I wish the Arab spring could come into this country! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TlotloM
I'm proud of you sir, I really am. This is what is needed in the Republic of Southern Africa. Even if it's to lessen your meeting with the tax man :-) , but the bottom line is you are doing something for this society/country.
steriotype and hatred.that is all i can hear from you people.#mgeez,he has been in business forever,he started small,he saw other opportunities a di nka,in nafcoc and all other sectors,he did it himslef,tlogelang go blama,tsogang le iketsetse man. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Mygirl
Shredder
Khoza does not plough back to the communities and he holds many positions.
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Hayi bo u Khoza ungena kuphi manje la...????
@ Mr Motsepe... God bless u tata. Sibusisiwe esiphayo kunesamkelayo. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Mygirl
xhosagirl
you never hear Ivin Khosa donating money to charities.
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What abt the others sis' wam..??? do they donate to charities tell us u seem to know more. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
clevergirl
you people are lost and confused,i take it.ke eng e le e batlang,nyaya kapa chee?your answer-nyaya kapa chee.he is not deceiving any1 here,just helping out the needy Report Abuse
In North West about R2.6-million has been spent to build two dams and sink boreholes
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Lonmin should have taken a leaf out of your book and at least provided shelter/schools for their employees but alas they would rather invest on wild animals Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TUGLYF
@ManoftheSoil
yeh man, i hear you. and since the elections are cming. i guess we will just have to shut up and embrace the food parcells that JZ and his cronies will be giving out to the poor. thank him for cheap, low budget and no qulity RDP houses, which are far worse than the apateid 4room houses. for sure dude. we will gladly accept that sh!t, while the man build himself a golf estate. thanx for the crumbs Mr Motsepe. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Da-undisputed
atleast Motsepe is doing sumtin 4 da people unlike aboRamaphosa ,Tokyo,Khoza Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Phathuza
DJ-Winner
The likes of Kenny Kunene and iziKhothane must learn. If you don't know what to do with a money, donate it. Not that thing of tearing
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Thye must donate money to zuma trust to marry another wife Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
tman992000
well done, me too, i am saying, what i really do not understand is with cosatu having an investment arm and my forceful contribution to nehawu, why nehawu and sadtu, with their record, have to be given piece of a pie, yerr, just wondering Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Msiphos00
How does Khoza fit in to all this is he also gaining from BEE deals or what??
The donations to the Unions proves beyond doubt that there is something going on that we as citizens don't know
To the churches watchout people are going to die now at the Methodist, ZCC is already divided so maybe there will be peace there. But then what about other churches Sir. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tibub
Lets hope the people in charge of these donations are not corrupt like the ruling party Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
KarlZimbiri
MGEEZ
I would like to differ with those of you who sing Patrice's praises and ask some simple questions that many in our country are afraid to ask and that is: how did he become a billionaire within such a short period of time? Why predominantly his beneficiaries are the affiliates of the ruling party, ie Cosatu? Is this really charity or pay back? Why was an individual in this dispensation allowed to amass so much wealth whilst there is such inequalities in our country? After all Patrice makes his money from the natural resources of this country, its not like he had an entrepreneurial idea!!! should the country expose its mineral resources to benefit one individual like this? What happened to the freedom charter clause that said all shall benefit from the wealth of this country? Charity is good; but this to me does not qualify to be called charity because Patrice was given rights (mining rights) by the Mbeki regime to be a sole beneficiary of our natural resources!!!
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Spot on son of the soil.
Even on the Fobes magazine's list of richest people in Africa, upon listing Motsepe, in brackets it stated that (not from entrepreneurial zeal).
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NICEBOOBS
Welldone Mr Motsepe - we need more people like you in MzansiReport Abuse
TLekota
We encourage laziness why don't we create jobs.Report Abuse
pringle
well done Mr Motsepe' i promise dat 4rm today Sundows is going 2 win each an every league game>>>>>>Report Abuse
antie
Well done Mr Motsepe. You will be blessed and receive the money back tenfold to help more people.Report Abuse
Shredder
Khoza does not plough back to the communities and he holds many positions.Report Abuse
Floccino
Good for him, no wonder where he got this money fromReport Abuse
Mamelodian
Bravo, Mr Motsepe! We thank thank you.Report Abuse
ancnduntsu
Whe is Ramaphosa's circus coming to town?Report Abuse
Mosquer
pringlewell done Mr Motsepe' i promise dat 4rm today Sundows is going 2 win each an every league game>>>>>>
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O tšea chance
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ancnduntsu
How abt Tokyo?Report Abuse
MophemeKoPitori
Motsepe is a man of morals, a good businessman who understands that people don't derseve to starve.BRAVO...
Eish, Motsepe is NOT equal to Sunflops
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TrapStar
Hope they wont take your money to NKANDLA, well done broReport Abuse
EasyE1
Good job Mr Motsepe.....And hope things will work out at Dununu fc as well..
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alonso
Amazing, in North West they have spend R2.6million on two dams and some boreholes. Good work only if those who did this project can come to Mopani where that amount of money can only do one borehole that in six months is not working. Tenderisms mxm.Report Abuse
maditaba
The timing, the timing very interesting. Congratulation to Motsepe and may the beneficiaries make the most of this windfall.Report Abuse
longest1
@FloccinoGood for him, no wonder where he got this money from
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this man is billionare! where are you from?
Well done mr Motsepe, may God bless you.
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DJ-Winner
Well, it is good for our people. Good job...Report Abuse
seribe
Well done Mr Motsepe sell sundowns and continue to do the good thingReport Abuse
chockstick
last weel the reported that his sister is trying to sell their grandmother's house. Patrice must also renovate his grandmother's house before all this..must start in the familyReport Abuse
MGEEZ
I would like to differ with those of you who sing Patrice's praises and ask some simple questions that many in our country are afraid to ask and that is: how did he become a billionaire within such a short period of time? Why predominantly his beneficiaries are the affiliates of the ruling party, ie Cosatu? Is this really charity or pay back? Why was an individual in this dispensation allowed to amass so much wealth whilst there is such inequalities in our country? After all Patrice makes his money from the natural resources of this country, its not like he had an entrepreneurial idea!!! should the country expose its mineral resources to benefit one individual like this? What happened to the freedom charter clause that said all shall benefit from the wealth of this country? Charity is good; but this to me does not qualify to be called charity because Patrice was given rights (mining rights) by the Mbeki regime to be a sole beneficiary of our natural resources!!!Report Abuse
Kone
Well done Sir Patrice Motsepe unlike others who bought Buffalos.!...........Report Abuse
Voetzek
" Son of the soil ploughs back wealth"--------------------------
we all know that he has been doing this for a decade now, and this story is old mutual
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kabelo110
FloccinoGood for him, no wonder where he got this money from
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African Rainbow Minerals you snaaiy
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BrizzyPistol7
Real philanthropist..Report Abuse
Dzel
We have still not addressed the question of natural resources and how communities should benefit. The crux of the mat.ter is the 85 million is a drop in the ocean given Motsepe got rich off the back of what belongs to all of us and what we should all be benefiting from.Report Abuse
Siphephelo
Thank you Motsepe.you not only giving back to community with donation but you also create jobs and promote education.Report Abuse
nzaco
MGEEZso what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge.
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masende
give this man a bells,God bless u tataReport Abuse
xhosagirl
you never hear Ivin Khosa donating money to charities.Report Abuse
spirro
may God enlarge your teritory Mr MOTSEPE, you are not greedy like others who spend millions in a birthday party while other people are sleeping with hanger.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@DzelWe have still not addressed the question of natural resources and how communities should benefit. The crux of the mat.ter is the 85 million is a drop in the ocean given Motsepe got rich off the back of what belongs to all of us and what we should all be benefiting from.
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Thank you; that is precisely my point!!!
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DJ-Winner
The likes of Kenny Kunene and iziKhothane must learn. If you don't know what to do with a money, donate it. Not that thing of tearing it...Report Abuse
Lazba
Why did you give trade unions money? We are already paying membership fee. Are you trying to silence disgruntled workers? I'm sure that money could be used to empower young enterpreneursReport Abuse
babyfats
I lack million mouths to say to you Mr Motsepe thaaaaaaaaaaaaank uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu,,,,,,,,, ukwanda kwaliwa ngumthakathiiiiiiiiiiiii , .............. kwande lapho uthathe khona..........Report Abuse
Virgin.after.sex
Rea leboga Rre Patrice Tlhopane Motsepe. My bf wouldn't be where he is today had u not given him a chance.Report Abuse
TUGLYF
i just dont buy it. not all of us that gullible. this is wat we tax evasion in the highest order.Mr mines Motsepe, you cab fool sm of the ppl sm of the time, BUT, u cnt fool all the ppl all the time.
this is all for his greedy benefit. they are all the same, different packaging same product.
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MGEEZ
@nzacoMGEEZ
so what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge.
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Its simple really and indeed the is subterfuge behind the donations!!! Observe that each time the ANCYL speaks of nationalizing anything they do not talk about his mine!!!
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guiliano
He is afraid of Malema period.Report Abuse
ancnduntsu
Patricia Motsepe's mineworkers are living in squalid conditions and r underpaid and he has the gall to go around with this cheap publicity stunt.May God bless him(pun intended)
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Dzel
@nzacoso what do you think is the reason for these generous acts?...i gather from your argument that there could be a subterfuge.
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Given Marikana, labour unrest in the mining sector and the talk of nationalization I think this is about wanting to being seen as a responsible investor. That he may be but the question of mineral resources and how do communities benefit is still very relevant and the ANC shows no apatite in address this fundamental question so one has to ask why.
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babyfats
from nw on Mr Motsepe u a my president , m going to vote for u mcwiii struuuuuuuuuReport Abuse
candilious
Ja nee wolf covered in sheep skin sies .............Report Abuse
Papage
Well done My President, I think you must challege Zuma for the ANC Presidancy. Please sell the Club to NatashaReport Abuse
TUGLYF
son of the soil ploughs back MY ASSS!!!that is fuken mine workers blood, mixed with our grand parents tears and taxpayers sweat (me and you included). dis punk was one of the first politically connected bafoons to receive BEE funds and benefits. so up the middle finger to him. thats our tax money! even worse, thats a political ploy to place himself in a better position to get more of our tax money to exploite more of our fellow countrymen.
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WannaBe
What are the churches going to do with the money? How will the communities benefits? or is this meant to increase membership? As for the COSATU affiliates, how will their members benefit? will they reduce subscription? or will Vavi create a nest-egg for his twins?Report Abuse
nzaco
@Mgeez: man that is very simplistic and not really a convincing observation to back the generiosity..at least to me, u know.@Dzel: a get that drift. so somehow this may be connected to some issues to be discussed in mangaung including "nationalisation" pros and cons....lol!
However: why do we sideline the human aspect of his actions? don't we think there are fellows with a concern for the poor and thus give. why do we always question good deeds? is it not that we stigmatize the rich and paint all with the same brush....sometimes its us who have some pre-conceived ideas
thats my perpective though not a fact.
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Chichi7
He is doing what many fail to do and yet we have people here complaining. He is a man of privacy and does what needs to be done and for me that is enough.Report Abuse
babyfats
haaaaaaaaaaaa shame bengisamangele ukuthi ayengaphi amanagative commenrtors , nazo u knw south africans can really amaze u , we always complain someone is trying to do better still compain he he he nywe nywe , u donig bad stil complain really theres no truth in dis planet called earth i jst wonder in haven hw a things de so far , i dont care whether stupid will swear at me or wat , & if u did u tooo snayi , sdanyampuphu swaniflue n 10 times if lyk. i mean y we cant LEARNT TO APPRECIATE Yeeeeeeeeeeee siesss man , yeeer i feel lyk i can puke when i read the weak ,hatred & nagative commentors siiiiiiiiiiiReport Abuse
Lehido
This is what im talking about...Well done Pat, Unlike Ramaphosa who give people money when they are deadReport Abuse
antie
Honeybadger, hi. I was too late for you yesterday. Ja, I am oldlady. Long story from losing password to crashing computer, so this is me now.Report Abuse
Doctor247
What a clever man he is. he is well aware of the conditions in the mining sector and the best way to deal with the problem is to defuse it even before it emerges. I can scream to the top of my voice with an empty mouth. But put a few slices of bread in it and I'll be quiet as a grave. He's just silencing us to get off his back. This way no one will suspect anyhting about him. Like questions asked by MGEEZ.Report Abuse
T.C.T
But how come he give his province small amount of money but other provinces huge amount? or is he buying faces jst like he paid money to seat near ZOOMA in mangaung? yes he is a good man who do things to favour his businesses in return.And he is aware North West is going down the Drain but he dont put lot of money to create employment just like Bafokeng do!Report Abuse
mavovokhabs
Thank you Mr Patrice Motsepe for giving such great gift to rural communities and churches. I wish your love to people can grow same as it happenning to you on other business people. Let even other people on developed areas see how important is to give on rural areas. Polititians for our economic growth it is better to do rural development. I'll be very happy if one university can be build at Ixopo, for more things to happen in such area.Report Abuse
TheNewFreedomFighter
I'm a little uncertain how to react to this but one part of me thinks this man is an economic opportunist who now seeks to sooth his conscience and the wrath of the people by giving handouts.Is he giving a man a fish or teaching the man to fish? Is he just responding to fingers pointed at the greed and vast wealth of the new black industrialists like him or is he genuinely concerned with developing the people?
The timing and recipients of his hand outs is just too revealing of his real intentions. He is a fake!
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Intomb'omxhosa
Bobby Motaung and his father must do the same.Report Abuse
Mdovu
Hope Impala Platinum staff received their increaseReport Abuse
Done!
That a good leader! leading by example!!Report Abuse
Usernamee
He made a mistake with Churches & SadtuChurches are day-light, legal, robbery centers.
Money given to Sadtu, the beneficiaries will lodges & hotels, there will be more conferences where teachers get a chance to go bang each other.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance
Nice one Pat.Report Abuse
Dzel
nzaco@Dzel: a get that drift. so somehow this may be connected to some issues to be discussed in mangaung including "nationalisation" pros and cons....lol!
However: why do we sideline the human aspect of his actions? don't we think there are fellows with a concern for the poor and thus give. why do we always question good deeds?
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You know the problem with bo da.rkie is we are so used to being at the bottom of the pile or being given scraps we accept everything without questioning. I have no doubt that on the face of it Motsepe has done a good deed and helped communities but you have to think deeper than that.
Are you familiar with business; the concept of capital or owners equity and that is one provides capital in the form of cash, services, or inputs into the business then they are entitled to a share of the profits ... do you know all this?
I ask this question because if we agree that natural resources are at the core of mining operations and if there are no resources then Motsepe would not have made his billions. The resources he got rich from have by and large been mined and sold in the market; they are forever lost to South Africa. If we agree that government holds these rights on behalf of each and every single South Africans which means we should all share in the profits made from the harvesting and sale of these resources then we should be getting a share of the profits. We should be sitting in the main table, not holding a collective begging bowl waiting for Motsepe to brush crumbs our direction.
All charity work is appreciated, that is not the point. The point is Motsepe and other mine owners have become super-rich from what belongs to all of us while ordinary South Africans remain poor so you think we should be grateful he decides to share a small portion whenever he feels like it?
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iLikeDirtySpoons
Can i send my bank account to u Mr Motsepe? u're doing a good work Sir, god bless.Report Abuse
Sasafrican
Oh Mr Motsepe you are a blessing indeed,kepp blessing othersReport Abuse
Charley4sure
Good job President Motsepe, please teach your generosity to the 2nd richest black personin South Africa, the one who was heading the CODESA negotiations, your Bother in law Cyril Ramaphosa.
The wealth of this country, the one which was suppose to benefit each
and every individual in South Africa just benefited a few black elites, the politically connected.
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WordofGod
i wanted to comment good about this guy, but from what i am reading above (comments)... haikhona! this is not ayoba at all!Report Abuse
BlackSeed
You can fool some people sometimes but you cannot fool all the people all the timeSome will the light one day Mr. Motsepe
Yes, the money donated might do some work and change some lives, but...
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P4T
Donating his money and especially to political parties and labour unions is a business imperative for Mr Motsepe. Nonetheless the gesture is welcomed.But Mr Motsepe can't you do more than dishing money? Please advise your comrades to be prudent with state funds and stop being greedy. Also please advise them how to effectively implement their mandates to the constituencies which voted for them. Also please let them know that, that which they are doing right now, which is feeding their bellies at the expense of the poor, is not sustainable for the country and that include themselves and their families. By the way, Sir, giving such advice is also beneficial for your business' sustainability because you know that you can't prosper as a business if the majority masses are living in squalor and abject poverty.
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Dzel
WordofGodI understand how this donation can be seen as a good thing and it should be commended the problem is this comes across as a PR exercise than a genuine act of sharing. We are not alone in our condemnation:
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Charity begins at home, Motsepe told
November 14 2012 at 10:49am
By POLOKO TAU
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Johannesburg - Charity should begin at home. This is the message from mineworkers’ unions to mining mogul Patrice Motsepe and his company African Rainbow Minerals, which on Tuesday distributed R10 million to churches and community organisations.
The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (Amcu) joined the nation in expressing gratitude for Motsepe’s gesture, but said he should find a way of doing the same for those who create his wealth.
The money distributed was from African Rainbow Minerals’ broad-based black economic empowerment trust, which was established in 2005 with the aim of funding rural development, including welfare, community development and anti-poverty initiatives.
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seutullamakunutu
WELL DONE PATRICE YOU ARE ONE IN A MILLION. WE NEVER HAD THAT IN THE PAST, YOU ARE ONE NON GREEDY ALIVE DIAMOND.YOU WILL STILL REMAIN PROPEROUS LET THOSE WHO QUESTION THIS LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO HANG THEMSELVES ON A TOMATO TREE WHEN YOU PROSPER.
BE BLESSED !!!
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clevergirl
We need people like you in our society ,thank you Mr Motsepe,may God bless you.God blessed and is still gonna bless you so that you continue to be a blessing to others.Leading by example,you are a true leaderReport Abuse
Stimela
how can you say you giving back to the community when you give money to COSATU unions (8.5 million), come on Mr. Motsepe that is just cheap politicking, that money will never rich the poor, Mr Mostepe where is you Bursary fund? how many poor children benefit?Report Abuse
Winilen
Good one Mr Motsepe just hope & wish all that money does reach the poor.Does it matter how Motsepe got his money, I never people questioning how Nicky Oppeheimer, John Rupet & Christoffel Wiese (the top 3 richest in SA) got their money.
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clevergirl
cosatu is representing the working class of our country,in other words he is empowering the workers of this country.se le se itsing ke go balabala,never say thank you,ntate motsepe o dira go tletse seatla,go feta le president ya naga or any ither minister even baruti ba itshotseng o kare ba itsi legodimo has never done what he is doing.le nnetse go bogola mo,didimakang fa le se na sepe se le ka se buaReport Abuse
Maqhankqa
I'm not deceived by Motsepe's saving grace attitude. This guy thinks the rest of us are as stupid as some have fallen for his shenanigans. Motsepe is one of the main people who are looting the resources of this country. He is trying to portray himself as a holier than thou person. I wish the Arab spring could come into this country!Report Abuse
TlotloM
I'm proud of you sir, I really am. This is what is needed in the Republic of Southern Africa. Even if it's to lessen your meeting with the tax man :-) , but the bottom line is you are doing something for this society/country.Thank-you!
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clevergirl
steriotype and hatred.that is all i can hear from you people.#mgeez,he has been in business forever,he started small,he saw other opportunities a di nka,in nafcoc and all other sectors,he did it himslef,tlogelang go blama,tsogang le iketsetse man.Report Abuse
Mygirl
ShredderKhoza does not plough back to the communities and he holds many positions.
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Hayi bo u Khoza ungena kuphi manje la...????
@ Mr Motsepe... God bless u tata. Sibusisiwe esiphayo kunesamkelayo.
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Mygirl
xhosagirlyou never hear Ivin Khosa donating money to charities.
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What abt the others sis' wam..??? do they donate to charities tell us u seem to know more.
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clevergirl
you people are lost and confused,i take it.ke eng e le e batlang,nyaya kapa chee?your answer-nyaya kapa chee.he is not deceiving any1 here,just helping out the needyReport Abuse
clevergirl
pringle,dumelaReport Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
In North West about R2.6-million has been spent to build two dams and sink boreholes********************************************************************************************************************
Lonmin should have taken a leaf out of your book and at least provided shelter/schools for their employees but alas they would rather invest on wild animals
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TUGLYF
@ManoftheSoilyeh man, i hear you. and since the elections are cming. i guess we will just have to shut up and embrace the food parcells that JZ and his cronies will be giving out to the poor. thank him for cheap, low budget and no qulity RDP houses, which are far worse than the apateid 4room houses. for sure dude. we will gladly accept that sh!t, while the man build himself a golf estate. thanx for the crumbs Mr Motsepe.
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Da-undisputed
atleast Motsepe is doing sumtin 4 da people unlike aboRamaphosa ,Tokyo,KhozaReport Abuse
Phathuza
DJ-WinnerThe likes of Kenny Kunene and iziKhothane must learn. If you don't know what to do with a money, donate it. Not that thing of tearing
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Thye must donate money to zuma trust to marry another wife
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tman992000
well done, me too, i am saying, what i really do not understand is with cosatu having an investment arm and my forceful contribution to nehawu, why nehawu and sadtu, with their record, have to be given piece of a pie, yerr, just wonderingReport Abuse
Msiphos00
How does Khoza fit in to all this is he also gaining from BEE deals or what??The donations to the Unions proves beyond doubt that there is something going on that we as citizens don't know
To the churches watchout people are going to die now at the Methodist, ZCC is already divided so maybe there will be peace there. But then what about other churches Sir.
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Tibub
Lets hope the people in charge of these donations are not corrupt like the ruling partyReport Abuse
KarlZimbiri
MGEEZI would like to differ with those of you who sing Patrice's praises and ask some simple questions that many in our country are afraid to ask and that is: how did he become a billionaire within such a short period of time? Why predominantly his beneficiaries are the affiliates of the ruling party, ie Cosatu? Is this really charity or pay back? Why was an individual in this dispensation allowed to amass so much wealth whilst there is such inequalities in our country? After all Patrice makes his money from the natural resources of this country, its not like he had an entrepreneurial idea!!! should the country expose its mineral resources to benefit one individual like this? What happened to the freedom charter clause that said all shall benefit from the wealth of this country? Charity is good; but this to me does not qualify to be called charity because Patrice was given rights (mining rights) by the Mbeki regime to be a sole beneficiary of our natural resources!!!
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Spot on son of the soil.
Even on the Fobes magazine's list of richest people in Africa, upon listing Motsepe, in brackets it stated that (not from entrepreneurial zeal).
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mborododo
very nice indeed.i steal 200 rands from yo wallet ,buy u a birthday present with it and u thank me for that nice very nice indeed.Report Abuse
madimetsha
I wonder why?Report Abuse
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