It is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
Strange how the ANC didnt call for a platinum boycott when things got nasty at Cyril Rhamaphoza's mine...
Anyways, its highly stupid of the ANC, boycotting an industry in the country they are supposed to be governing. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Shredder
Hahahahahaha. This is a farce. This is absolutely ridiculous. Last time it was "Don't buy the Citizen" Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
antie
The ANC should be intervening and trying to find solutions, not calling for boycots. That said, how sad is it that farmworkers have to strike to get R 150.00 per day? It is a disgrace that the minimum wage in place (set by the ANC governmnent) is only R 65.00 per day. The normal person who earns a normal salary do not even pay that little for a domestic worker, yet these parasites hide behind the minimum wage. Sies!!!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
RobinX
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA: Pity the caps don't come bigger, 'cause this is the funniest kick-off to a morning I have had in years. The ANC is definitely deep in cloud cuckoo land. There is more chance of a blizzard in hell than for South Africans to put aside wine. It would be about as effective as expecting a parliamentarian to think. A complete impossibility. This is just so pathetically funny. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
RobinX
Having ridiculed the ANC for its patently absurd suggestion, I must add that I fully support the demand for R150 a day. I pay my char more. It is absolutely disgusting that farmers are still getting away with what I consider to be inhuman wages. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TLekota
This guy has gone nuts. What about inputs costs to even say farmers have lot of money. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Floccino
@Vhamsanda
It is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
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By other words you want to say the parliament guys are always high in wane?
you just made my day already that's why they always argue nonsense in parliament. Report Abuse
This Zuma idiot thinks we can listen to his rubbish. Why should we kill our own business that creates more jobs to many unskilled people? ANC and its wet dreams!!!!
@!#Sinudeity#!....you cant be more right, why didnt they boycott platinum when miners complained of poor pay?
Since when were table grapes made into wine?
May Bacchus curse you - don't mess with the wine you philistines! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
U know the thing I dont like about employers they're hardening their heads even where they know that they're wrong,it could happen that poor employees have been receiving R75 a day from 1994 till today.
The boycott is the good move if only our fellow africans whites community will support us because they are big consumers of wine. Report Abuse
Kata: again with the "white" crap. With respect, all races drink the stuff. Just when I thought you were at last beginning to shed those ridiculous racially tinted glasses. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
jnrb
What an idiotic comment! In the De Doorns area, table grapes are grown and not wine grapes which are grown mainly in the Paarl, Stellenbosch, Franschoek area. Table grapes are grapes intended for consumption while they are fresh, as opposed to grapes grown for wine production, juice production, or for drying into raisins. Table varieties usually have lower sugar content than wine grapes and are more flavorful when eaten. Their flavors, however, do not survive fermentation and their low sugar content means that any wine produced from them is weak, bland-tasting and easy to deteriorate. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_grape
Either this clown from the ANC doesn’t understand the dispute or doesn’t know jack sh*t about grapes or is just trying to be distructive.
Katakata, please read the white comments before yours. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@RobinX
Kata: again with the "white" crap. With respect, all races drink the stuff. Just when I thought you were at last beginning to shed those ridiculous racially tinted glasses.
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Rob no man that's a pure comment I didnt even think that some could take it as racial comment
Politicians are all the SAME, a bunch of mothersuckas who don't give a rat's a$$ about anyone but themselves. And as for farmworkers, i think it's time the govt visit all the farms in & around South Africa to see how much our people are earning and how they work. YUCK Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
RobinX
Kata: " our fellow africans whites community will support us because they are big consumers of wine." - With respect, there is simply no other way to interpret that comment.
Don't buy wine, don't buy. Remembering another stupid comrade about Citipress Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Dzel
"Next time people vote for the ANC, they must know that they support corruption, looting of public funds, poor leadership, massacre of black people by the leaders they elect into power," Dzel said.
How do you even begin pointing fingers when you are part of a much larger problem?
On a serious though guys, is it really fair to pay someone R80 per day. I and some of us here earn a something like R300 per hour, but we are sitting here on Sowetan. Come on people, let's think a little about these poor people... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
RobinX
DJ - scroll up to see what I feel. There is a difference between agreeing with the wage demand and making truly ridiculous suggestions to deal with it. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
CharlesTaylor
As an ANC die-hard, I don't think it will be possible and viable for me to boycott wine, or let me say, any alcoholic beverage.
Think another plan comrades, maybe burning tyre's, a Marikana-like massacre, but not alcohol boycott, Friday is just after tomorrow. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
MommaC
DJ-Winner
:) the goldfish bowl is just not the same without you
candilious
More bokkie - we are so lucky to have so many comedians in SA. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
candilious
@DJ-Winner i 4 one am not condoning it ,but this is more of a m onkey see mo nkey do. What happened to negotiate wiht your employer if thta does not go well then take further steps .
But this strikes and ANC says is just bull man . Again Education is very important Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
RobinX
Candi: More skattie. "Again Education is very important" .... but it's not my problem, ne Angie.
This dude sell-out Qoboshiyane think we cannot distiquish between a gap and a hole this ANC has killed innocent Miners in Marikana for demanding a better living wage and they have never said a word they also demolished poor men's houses in Lenasia instead of wiping out Nkandla compound that was built with my tax money tsheeek Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Bongzzah
Once again, the ANC officials have provided additional proof that they do not have what it takes to run the country. Its little wonder the country has been reduced to such a mess. What Qoboshiyane and crew ought o be doing is encouraging dialogue among the affected parties. They also ought to be doing what Zille is doing, i.e requesting for the intervention of Government in the dispute. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Frankenstein
I agree. Boycott wine. Drink only Blue Label! Report Abuse
WOW seriously? How can you blame Western Cape Premier for rules set by the ANC. The farmers are paying what is prescribed by the labor laws( ANC policies) .Why not boycott Platinum and Gold then. This people think we are gullible seriously, ANC is going crazy with power. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
andmuchmore
but his house has a lot of wine already. who;s fooling who here. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
@Vhamsanda
It is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Aagh nee man nie so vroeg !!
By this statement the ANC again shows that it hasnot made the transition from a liberation army to a governing party. These kinds of calls were made by the ANC during the fight against apartheid, now they use it to bring down an industry in the country they govern BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO STEER THE COUNTRY PROPERLY SINCE THEY TOOK OVER POWER.
Populist destructive calls for boycotts when the economy is, at best, in slow decline is simply stupid. What will the people do when the farms go bankrupt? The ANC thought it was really clever creating a minimum wage, but in truth the minimum wage has become the defacto wage THAT KEEPS THE POOR POOR. When the government of the day is agaist you and threatening you, as a farmer, in just about every sphere of your business, you have no option but to kick back or give up.
The ANC and COSATU have all but destroyed the education system and the health system etc. The mining industry is in freefall and now the agriculture industry is threatened - so too is our food production. Let's face it this is an orchestrated campaign to bring about the social revolution that the ANC could not achieve by typical liberation army strategies.
Instead of creating new wealth the ANC has chosen to redistribute existing wealth out of anger and hatred for white people. This will be the single most important factor in the downfall of South Africa because once the wealth has been distributed it doesn't get used to create more wealth (this is not in their psyche), instead it gets consumed in a frenzie of materialism. The ANC and their wealthy cadres are evidence enough of this.
If these poor farm workers think the ANC is helping them achieve a better life then they are stupid. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
DjEp
Our ministers are clueless, but Jomatt takes the top spot. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
MGEEZ
@Vhamsanda
It is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
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Lol Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
Surely ripple effects from these strikes gonna be food hikes&unemployment, unlike the mines where most affected were the elite shareholders like Cyril’s Shanduka & SACP’s Kameni and Anc’s ChancellorHouse who were worried & why took desperate murderous action !! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
Mr Mlibo Qoboshiyane do not use the Champagne @Mangaung u would be supporting worker's exploitation!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
GhettoCheeck
ANC and Mlibo Qoboshiyane can go to HELL for all I care, I`m buying my South African wines. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Charley4sure
I can’t believe this, this is ridiculous. Indeed the ANC of OR Tambo has been hijacked
by a bunch of illiterates. The last time they called for a boycott people went out in
numbers to buy the City Press Newspaper. As must as I do not drink wine, I am gonna
buy 10 bottles just for decorations. Pity that the same ANC killed black mine workers
when they were demanding a living wage in Marikana. The same ANC killed blacks
to protect shares of some NEC members who sold us out during the CODESA
negotiations.
Shame man. Does this mean that Blade will have to drink French wines or Australian wines now? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
Dry festive season neh or R700 for Jc Le Roux bottle this December? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
David-
I see that their is an organisation promoting ethical trade in the wine industry WIETA
http://wieta.org.za.www34.cpt3.host-h.net/index.php
As for the protestore it seems like most of them were seasonal workers and not permanent employees Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TheNewFreedomFighter
On the one hand the ANC wants to create jobs; on the other hand the ANC wants to destroy the very people who supply this jobs.
One the one hand the ANC needs a wide tax base to collect revenue for its government; on the other hand the ANC destroys and undermines that same tax base.
One the one hand the ANC champions the constitution; on the other hand the ANC and President do their best to avoid accountability under that constitution.
One the one hand the ANC supports capitalism; on the other hand the ANC, Communists and COSATU do their best to undermine the capitalists.
On the one hand the ANC says they are against corruption; on the other hand they are the most corrupt.
What is the ANC actually? They are just one collective of con artists who are ripping us off every day. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
@TheNewFreedomFighter - did u say "con artists"? that under the belt man!!
Tasto, the con stands for confidence, and I believe that that is what some of the ANC politicians do. The gain the voter's confidence, only to rob them blind. If only we can get some young, fresh, capable bloo.d in the ANC to carry the country into a new era of true fre.edom. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
@antie - No no no no no no no no
con artist - a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
antie
Tasto, exactly what I said. The word con is short for confidence.
Are you saying the ANC is not using their voters' confidence in them to rob them blind. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TheNewFreedomFighter
@Tasto_
I'm not sure I understand you! Why is it under the belt? While I have no problem with people wanting to earn a better wage I beleive the ANC are liberation army con-artists masquerading as polititians with criminal intentions not social justice in mind. Any involvement in the conflict between workers and employers, where government sides with one party over the other does not bode well for the economy. This is why SA's growth is way behind that of the other BRICS nations and why the economic divide between workers and employers will not get solved, but will degenerate into a loose loose situation with the flight of capital and the poor getting even poorer. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
@TheNewFreedomFighter - my friend con artist is a swinlder\fraudster\criminal!! Is that what you meant?
@!#Sinudeity#!
I so much agree with you. Why didnt the ANC call for platinum boycott when so many people were killed by their police when they protest like this farm workers. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Employers must give the employees what they want that's all. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
2shy2call
Please bring those wines to Soweto, then will show you how we boycott wines. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
JahNeh
Didn't the very same anc launch their centenary wine range in Jan. I we meant to boycott that as well?
This party never ceases to entertain. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Usernamee
@TheNewFreedomFighter
All your commence reflect to me that you are a very informed person, observant, logical & straight to be point.
Usernamee, I agree with you about the new freedom fighter. Why can't we have politicians like him/her? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TheNewFreedomFighter
@Usernamee
Thank you. I face a dilemma. The injustices of the past need to be addressed but the methods of the ANC are failing us. People are becomming desperate, and rightly so. Attitudes are hardening on both sides and I foresee great conflict in the near future unless a new way forward can be found. We simply are running out of time and the ANC is not showing any sign that they will be able to steer the ship with moral integrity. Factions will fight factions and people of opposing views will kill to get what they want. In the end SA will be a wasteland.
I long for someone who will rise above the hatred and lay a foundation we can all believe in. I long for a Nelson Mandela, but in the ANC, I see only a Verwoerd. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
16-12-1838
STUPIDITY knows no limits!!! It is amazing that there is anything functioning in South Africa with the level of intellect shown by the pathetic anc, what a stupid pr1ck this qoboshiyane is...nevermind not knowing the difference between wine grapes and table grapes, he does not even realise that it is his own party - the morally bankrupt criminals of the anc and cosatu - that are the root cause!
Mechanisation is the only way forward, mechanise all industry and let natural selection determine who survives the fallout from the anc greed and stupidity...I can promise you that in such instances, the odds are stacked heavily in the farmers favour. With their skills and expertise, and the constant healthy growth of the wine industry throughout the rest of the world (especially South America) - there will be no shortage of opportunities!
Where will the pathetic anc bus their ragged bunch of refugees...oops I mean...supporters to then???? FU.CK the anc criminals!!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Lungu
F*U*C*K The ANC they try to buy some votes because they know people who works on the farms(mainly struggling people) votes for them because they are poor and uneducated even though some are educated they working there because of the same ANC government which cannot provide jobs for them, i'll drink the wine boycott it in your house Lethuli House don't give a damn about your suggestions you sell out. The reason those people have strike is the same reason almost the whole country is tsriking please ANC just leave parliament you have messed-up is enough you lied to the nation for many years now we are sick and tired of your pervetness. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
P4T
Lo Qoboshiyane uyahlekisa. He is exposing his lack of knowledge. Those 'exploitation' wages he's crying foul about now are sectoral determined wages which were negotiated and blessed by the very same ANC government. If poor workers knew the hand their government has in their plight, shem it is over nge ANC even though yona it is historically loved by many.
The best thing Qoboshiyane can do right now is to come up with a problem and crisis solving solution. Boycotts ain't gonna work. Report Abuse
Ek sien nou mense is kwaad of gatvol neh? Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
malemaforpresident
@TheNewFreedomFighter
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I now see a light in you my chief only if we got leaders with vision,unselfish, competent,focused, determined with morality like you sound to be our country's messes would have been corrected a long time ago we are actually leaderless in this country look at the gap between the rich and the poor 20 years down into democracy look at the gap between Nkandla and an RDP let alone a shack the people of this country are not free at all. Actually what is freedom when people you are leading are starving and still scavenging rotten foods at dumping sides across the country this useless freedom under the current ANC is meaningless
Tasto, he's not so good with math. He thinks that if you give a grant receiver a R20 increase, and a rich person got a 15% increase, 20 is mos more than 15, so the gap is lessening. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Whahah boycott wine? Might as well boycott having sex and not smoking the demand for wine is pretty inelastic but good luck ANC! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
Does this mean the Centenary celebration are in jeaopardy now, I remember even in Bloem at th stadiuim there was not enuf wine to toast and comrade on the ground were asked to raise their hands in symbolic to the comrades with glasses full of wine @ podium!!That was classic neh?
Cum on agree with me the movie is playing out in front of our eyes!! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
P4T
antie
Tasto, he's not so good with math. He thinks that if you give a grant receiver a R20 increase, and a rich person got a 15% increase, 20 is mos more than 15, so the gap is lessening.
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Not even that! Social grants by their conceptualisation were never designed to be a substitute for economic wages/salary. They are only there as a safety net against poverty, ie people dying of starvation. In fact the idea is that once a person/family receives social grants, at some stage they should exit from such dependency and become economically active and this is only then such comparisons between poor and rich wage gaps should be made.
Suprised why social scientists kept quiet and didn't correct the president's misconception. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
P4T - "Suprised why social scientists kept quiet and didn't correct the president's misconception."
And be attacked by SACP/COSATU/Mantashe and all the other top dawgs?
Now just imagine, instead of JZ, if an educated dude was elected to lead from the beginning... Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Tasto_
R300million from LandBank vanished in EC while Makhenkile was premier even up to day no1 was brought to justice or to account, EC full of potholes!! I just wonder how are EC farmworkers earn my guess one of the best paid ones !! Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
TUGLYF
@Lungu
i couldnt have said it better myself.next election, i will vote DA while Im an ANC card carrieng member.
enaf is enaf, to hell with these low life crooks. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Chabella
the ANC should now by now that their boycots dont work. Anyway, what would a wine boycot achieve, other than the destruction of an South African industry, with the corresponding destruction of jobs. The workers will sudenly earn nothing.
That the wages need to be reviewed, Im all for that, but calling for boycotts, destruction of farms and equipment. That achieves nothing, it actually makes the problem worse. Report Abuse
Nov 14, 2012
Chabella
this written by freedomfighter needs to be repeated:
On the one hand the ANC wants to create jobs; on the other hand the ANC wants to destroy the very people who supply this jobs.
One the one hand the ANC needs a wide tax base to collect revenue for its government; on the other hand the ANC destroys and undermines that same tax base.
One the one hand the ANC champions the constitution; on the other hand the ANC and President do their best to avoid accountability under that constitution.
One the one hand the ANC supports capitalism; on the other hand the ANC, Communists and COSATU do their best to undermine the capitalists.
On the one hand the ANC says they are against corruption; on the other hand they are the most corrupt.
What is the ANC actually? They are just one collective of con artists who are ripping us off every day. Report Abuse
Nov 18, 2012
BraSipho
ANC is past dumb!!
If the wine industry should be boycotted, where will that taxes come from?
How will the ANC big guys then steal that money?
Enough of these fools. They survive because the so called "wackers" are too stupid. They think but there is a big surprise to the ZANU PF party of SA!! Report Abuse
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Vhamsanda
It is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
Strange how the ANC didnt call for a platinum boycott when things got nasty at Cyril Rhamaphoza's mine...Anyways, its highly stupid of the ANC, boycotting an industry in the country they are supposed to be governing.
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Shredder
Hahahahahaha. This is a farce. This is absolutely ridiculous. Last time it was "Don't buy the Citizen"Report Abuse
antie
The ANC should be intervening and trying to find solutions, not calling for boycots. That said, how sad is it that farmworkers have to strike to get R 150.00 per day? It is a disgrace that the minimum wage in place (set by the ANC governmnent) is only R 65.00 per day. The normal person who earns a normal salary do not even pay that little for a domestic worker, yet these parasites hide behind the minimum wage. Sies!!!!Report Abuse
RobinX
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA: Pity the caps don't come bigger, 'cause this is the funniest kick-off to a morning I have had in years. The ANC is definitely deep in cloud cuckoo land. There is more chance of a blizzard in hell than for South Africans to put aside wine. It would be about as effective as expecting a parliamentarian to think. A complete impossibility. This is just so pathetically funny.Report Abuse
RobinX
Having ridiculed the ANC for its patently absurd suggestion, I must add that I fully support the demand for R150 a day. I pay my char more. It is absolutely disgusting that farmers are still getting away with what I consider to be inhuman wages.Report Abuse
TLekota
This guy has gone nuts. What about inputs costs to even say farmers have lot of money.Report Abuse
Floccino
@VhamsandaIt is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
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By other words you want to say the parliament guys are always high in wane?
you just made my day already that's why they always argue nonsense in parliament.
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SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
with the better salarya ration of the wine please
then if you work at wine farm ill visit you
LoL
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Socrates
This Zuma idiot thinks we can listen to his rubbish. Why should we kill our own business that creates more jobs to many unskilled people? ANC and its wet dreams!!!!@!#Sinudeity#!....you cant be more right, why didnt they boycott platinum when miners complained of poor pay?
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MommaC
ROTFLSince when were table grapes made into wine?
May Bacchus curse you - don't mess with the wine you philistines!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
U know the thing I dont like about employers they're hardening their heads even where they know that they're wrong,it could happen that poor employees have been receiving R75 a day from 1994 till today.The boycott is the good move if only our fellow africans whites community will support us because they are big consumers of wine.
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ISIDINDI
Never!Report Abuse
RobinX
Kata: again with the "white" crap. With respect, all races drink the stuff. Just when I thought you were at last beginning to shed those ridiculous racially tinted glasses.Report Abuse
jnrb
What an idiotic comment! In the De Doorns area, table grapes are grown and not wine grapes which are grown mainly in the Paarl, Stellenbosch, Franschoek area. Table grapes are grapes intended for consumption while they are fresh, as opposed to grapes grown for wine production, juice production, or for drying into raisins. Table varieties usually have lower sugar content than wine grapes and are more flavorful when eaten. Their flavors, however, do not survive fermentation and their low sugar content means that any wine produced from them is weak, bland-tasting and easy to deteriorate. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_grapeEither this clown from the ANC doesn’t understand the dispute or doesn’t know jack sh*t about grapes or is just trying to be distructive.
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DJ-Winner
I support the call. We can nationalise these fields. They are on the land stollen from us.Report Abuse
lenyora13
Its like a butcher boycotting the sell of meat.. Lets hope the Memo gets to Blade..Report Abuse
RobinX
Ja ja DJW: That was when the mighty Xhosa nation l;ived in the Hex-valley, not so.Report Abuse
MommaC
DJ Whiner,Where you been dude?
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antie
Katakata, please read the white comments before yours.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@RobinXKata: again with the "white" crap. With respect, all races drink the stuff. Just when I thought you were at last beginning to shed those ridiculous racially tinted glasses.
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Rob no man that's a pure comment I didnt even think that some could take it as racial comment
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MophemeKoPitori
Politicians are all the SAME, a bunch of mothersuckas who don't give a rat's a$$ about anyone but themselves. And as for farmworkers, i think it's time the govt visit all the farms in & around South Africa to see how much our people are earning and how they work. YUCKReport Abuse
RobinX
Kata: " our fellow africans whites community will support us because they are big consumers of wine." - With respect, there is simply no other way to interpret that comment.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
LOL, it seems @MommaC missed me.Report Abuse
Mothata
Don't buy wine, don't buy. Remembering another stupid comrade about CitipressReport Abuse
Dzel
"Next time people vote for the ANC, they must know that they support corruption, looting of public funds, poor leadership, massacre of black people by the leaders they elect into power," Dzel said.How do you even begin pointing fingers when you are part of a much larger problem?
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candilious
WTF..............ANC idiots for real@!#Sinudeity#!..Morning good point :Strange how the ANC didnt call for a platinum boycott when things got nasty at Cyril Rhamaphoza's mine...
But they will tell you about Protocol
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Voetzek
But to be honest with you Zulus cannot think Today they wanted to boycot wine next will boycot food, eishhReport Abuse
candilious
MothataDon't buy wine, don't buy. Remembering another stupid comrade about Citipress
________________________________________Lol andyet their expect results
@MommaC/Robin /Kata ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Morning
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DJ-Winner
On a serious though guys, is it really fair to pay someone R80 per day. I and some of us here earn a something like R300 per hour, but we are sitting here on Sowetan. Come on people, let's think a little about these poor people...Report Abuse
RobinX
DJ - scroll up to see what I feel. There is a difference between agreeing with the wage demand and making truly ridiculous suggestions to deal with it.Report Abuse
CharlesTaylor
As an ANC die-hard, I don't think it will be possible and viable for me to boycott wine, or let me say, any alcoholic beverage.Think another plan comrades, maybe burning tyre's, a Marikana-like massacre, but not alcohol boycott, Friday is just after tomorrow.
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MommaC
DJ-Winner:) the goldfish bowl is just not the same without you
candilious
More bokkie - we are so lucky to have so many comedians in SA.
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candilious
@DJ-Winner i 4 one am not condoning it ,but this is more of a m onkey see mo nkey do. What happened to negotiate wiht your employer if thta does not go well then take further steps .But this strikes and ANC says is just bull man . Again Education is very important
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RobinX
Candi: More skattie. "Again Education is very important" .... but it's not my problem, ne Angie.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
This dude sell-out Qoboshiyane think we cannot distiquish between a gap and a hole this ANC has killed innocent Miners in Marikana for demanding a better living wage and they have never said a word they also demolished poor men's houses in Lenasia instead of wiping out Nkandla compound that was built with my tax money tsheeekReport Abuse
Bongzzah
Once again, the ANC officials have provided additional proof that they do not have what it takes to run the country. Its little wonder the country has been reduced to such a mess. What Qoboshiyane and crew ought o be doing is encouraging dialogue among the affected parties. They also ought to be doing what Zille is doing, i.e requesting for the intervention of Government in the dispute.Report Abuse
Frankenstein
I agree. Boycott wine. Drink only Blue Label!Report Abuse
candilious
@Robin InderdaadReport Abuse
Druza25
WOW seriously? How can you blame Western Cape Premier for rules set by the ANC. The farmers are paying what is prescribed by the labor laws( ANC policies) .Why not boycott Platinum and Gold then. This people think we are gullible seriously, ANC is going crazy with power.Report Abuse
andmuchmore
but his house has a lot of wine already. who;s fooling who here.Report Abuse
Tasto_
@VhamsandaIt is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Aagh nee man nie so vroeg !!
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TheNewFreedomFighter
By this statement the ANC again shows that it hasnot made the transition from a liberation army to a governing party. These kinds of calls were made by the ANC during the fight against apartheid, now they use it to bring down an industry in the country they govern BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO STEER THE COUNTRY PROPERLY SINCE THEY TOOK OVER POWER.Populist destructive calls for boycotts when the economy is, at best, in slow decline is simply stupid. What will the people do when the farms go bankrupt? The ANC thought it was really clever creating a minimum wage, but in truth the minimum wage has become the defacto wage THAT KEEPS THE POOR POOR. When the government of the day is agaist you and threatening you, as a farmer, in just about every sphere of your business, you have no option but to kick back or give up.
The ANC and COSATU have all but destroyed the education system and the health system etc. The mining industry is in freefall and now the agriculture industry is threatened - so too is our food production. Let's face it this is an orchestrated campaign to bring about the social revolution that the ANC could not achieve by typical liberation army strategies.
Instead of creating new wealth the ANC has chosen to redistribute existing wealth out of anger and hatred for white people. This will be the single most important factor in the downfall of South Africa because once the wealth has been distributed it doesn't get used to create more wealth (this is not in their psyche), instead it gets consumed in a frenzie of materialism. The ANC and their wealthy cadres are evidence enough of this.
If these poor farm workers think the ANC is helping them achieve a better life then they are stupid.
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DjEp
Our ministers are clueless, but Jomatt takes the top spot.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@VhamsandaIt is rediculous to suggest a wine boycot. How does one expect the parliarment to function without wine ?
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Tasto_
Surely ripple effects from these strikes gonna be food hikes&unemployment, unlike the mines where most affected were the elite shareholders like Cyril’s Shanduka & SACP’s Kameni and Anc’s ChancellorHouse who were worried & why took desperate murderous action !!Report Abuse
Tasto_
Mr Mlibo Qoboshiyane do not use the Champagne @Mangaung u would be supporting worker's exploitation!!Report Abuse
GhettoCheeck
ANC and Mlibo Qoboshiyane can go to HELL for all I care, I`m buying my South African wines.Report Abuse
Charley4sure
I can’t believe this, this is ridiculous. Indeed the ANC of OR Tambo has been hijackedby a bunch of illiterates. The last time they called for a boycott people went out in
numbers to buy the City Press Newspaper. As must as I do not drink wine, I am gonna
buy 10 bottles just for decorations. Pity that the same ANC killed black mine workers
when they were demanding a living wage in Marikana. The same ANC killed blacks
to protect shares of some NEC members who sold us out during the CODESA
negotiations.
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MommaC
Shame man. Does this mean that Blade will have to drink French wines or Australian wines now?Report Abuse
Tasto_
Dry festive season neh or R700 for Jc Le Roux bottle this December?Report Abuse
David-
I see that their is an organisation promoting ethical trade in the wine industry WIETAhttp://wieta.org.za.www34.cpt3.host-h.net/index.php
As for the protestore it seems like most of them were seasonal workers and not permanent employees
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TheNewFreedomFighter
On the one hand the ANC wants to create jobs; on the other hand the ANC wants to destroy the very people who supply this jobs.One the one hand the ANC needs a wide tax base to collect revenue for its government; on the other hand the ANC destroys and undermines that same tax base.
One the one hand the ANC champions the constitution; on the other hand the ANC and President do their best to avoid accountability under that constitution.
One the one hand the ANC supports capitalism; on the other hand the ANC, Communists and COSATU do their best to undermine the capitalists.
On the one hand the ANC says they are against corruption; on the other hand they are the most corrupt.
What is the ANC actually? They are just one collective of con artists who are ripping us off every day.
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Tasto_
@TheNewFreedomFighter - did u say "con artists"? that under the belt man!!Report Abuse
antie
Tasto, the con stands for confidence, and I believe that that is what some of the ANC politicians do. The gain the voter's confidence, only to rob them blind. If only we can get some young, fresh, capable bloo.d in the ANC to carry the country into a new era of true fre.edom.Report Abuse
Tasto_
@antie - No no no no no no no nocon artist - a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim!!
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antie
Tasto, exactly what I said. The word con is short for confidence.Are you saying the ANC is not using their voters' confidence in them to rob them blind.
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TheNewFreedomFighter
@Tasto_I'm not sure I understand you! Why is it under the belt? While I have no problem with people wanting to earn a better wage I beleive the ANC are liberation army con-artists masquerading as polititians with criminal intentions not social justice in mind. Any involvement in the conflict between workers and employers, where government sides with one party over the other does not bode well for the economy. This is why SA's growth is way behind that of the other BRICS nations and why the economic divide between workers and employers will not get solved, but will degenerate into a loose loose situation with the flight of capital and the poor getting even poorer.
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Tasto_
@TheNewFreedomFighter - my friend con artist is a swinlder\fraudster\criminal!! Is that what you meant?Report Abuse
Dandalo
@!#Sinudeity#!I so much agree with you. Why didnt the ANC call for platinum boycott when so many people were killed by their police when they protest like this farm workers.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Employers must give the employees what they want that's all.Report Abuse
2shy2call
Please bring those wines to Soweto, then will show you how we boycott wines.Report Abuse
JahNeh
Didn't the very same anc launch their centenary wine range in Jan. I we meant to boycott that as well?This party never ceases to entertain.
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Usernamee
@TheNewFreedomFighterAll your commence reflect to me that you are a very informed person, observant, logical & straight to be point.
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Neon
Ag whatever, Eastern Cape Anc must rather shut up. Their province is going to the dogs because of all the corruption and power struggles.Report Abuse
TheNewFreedomFighter
Tasto_Yes, that is what I mean.
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antie
Usernamee, I agree with you about the new freedom fighter. Why can't we have politicians like him/her?Report Abuse
TheNewFreedomFighter
@UsernameeThank you. I face a dilemma. The injustices of the past need to be addressed but the methods of the ANC are failing us. People are becomming desperate, and rightly so. Attitudes are hardening on both sides and I foresee great conflict in the near future unless a new way forward can be found. We simply are running out of time and the ANC is not showing any sign that they will be able to steer the ship with moral integrity. Factions will fight factions and people of opposing views will kill to get what they want. In the end SA will be a wasteland.
I long for someone who will rise above the hatred and lay a foundation we can all believe in. I long for a Nelson Mandela, but in the ANC, I see only a Verwoerd.
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16-12-1838
STUPIDITY knows no limits!!! It is amazing that there is anything functioning in South Africa with the level of intellect shown by the pathetic anc, what a stupid pr1ck this qoboshiyane is...nevermind not knowing the difference between wine grapes and table grapes, he does not even realise that it is his own party - the morally bankrupt criminals of the anc and cosatu - that are the root cause!Mechanisation is the only way forward, mechanise all industry and let natural selection determine who survives the fallout from the anc greed and stupidity...I can promise you that in such instances, the odds are stacked heavily in the farmers favour. With their skills and expertise, and the constant healthy growth of the wine industry throughout the rest of the world (especially South America) - there will be no shortage of opportunities!
Where will the pathetic anc bus their ragged bunch of refugees...oops I mean...supporters to then???? FU.CK the anc criminals!!!
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Lungu
F*U*C*K The ANC they try to buy some votes because they know people who works on the farms(mainly struggling people) votes for them because they are poor and uneducated even though some are educated they working there because of the same ANC government which cannot provide jobs for them, i'll drink the wine boycott it in your house Lethuli House don't give a damn about your suggestions you sell out. The reason those people have strike is the same reason almost the whole country is tsriking please ANC just leave parliament you have messed-up is enough you lied to the nation for many years now we are sick and tired of your pervetness.Report Abuse
P4T
Lo Qoboshiyane uyahlekisa. He is exposing his lack of knowledge. Those 'exploitation' wages he's crying foul about now are sectoral determined wages which were negotiated and blessed by the very same ANC government. If poor workers knew the hand their government has in their plight, shem it is over nge ANC even though yona it is historically loved by many.The best thing Qoboshiyane can do right now is to come up with a problem and crisis solving solution. Boycotts ain't gonna work.
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rahima
Great ANCpf OBE logic this.Boycott wine. Farms close or shrink. Lose jobs. Wonderful logic. ANCpf maths lit says 1 + 1 = 5.
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Tasto_
Ek sien nou mense is kwaad of gatvol neh?Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
@TheNewFreedomFighter======================
I now see a light in you my chief only if we got leaders with vision,unselfish, competent,focused, determined with morality like you sound to be our country's messes would have been corrected a long time ago we are actually leaderless in this country look at the gap between the rich and the poor 20 years down into democracy look at the gap between Nkandla and an RDP let alone a shack the people of this country are not free at all. Actually what is freedom when people you are leading are starving and still scavenging rotten foods at dumping sides across the country this useless freedom under the current ANC is meaningless
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Tasto_
@malemaforpresident - hayi wena, Mshowerlozi said we have grants ot there prior 94 and this has narrowed the gap between rich&poor man!!Report Abuse
antie
Tasto, he's not so good with math. He thinks that if you give a grant receiver a R20 increase, and a rich person got a 15% increase, 20 is mos more than 15, so the gap is lessening.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
Whahah boycott wine? Might as well boycott having sex and not smoking the demand for wine is pretty inelastic but good luck ANC!Report Abuse
Tasto_
Does this mean the Centenary celebration are in jeaopardy now, I remember even in Bloem at th stadiuim there was not enuf wine to toast and comrade on the ground were asked to raise their hands in symbolic to the comrades with glasses full of wine @ podium!!That was classic neh?Cum on agree with me the movie is playing out in front of our eyes!!
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P4T
antieTasto, he's not so good with math. He thinks that if you give a grant receiver a R20 increase, and a rich person got a 15% increase, 20 is mos more than 15, so the gap is lessening.
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Not even that! Social grants by their conceptualisation were never designed to be a substitute for economic wages/salary. They are only there as a safety net against poverty, ie people dying of starvation. In fact the idea is that once a person/family receives social grants, at some stage they should exit from such dependency and become economically active and this is only then such comparisons between poor and rich wage gaps should be made.
Suprised why social scientists kept quiet and didn't correct the president's misconception.
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!#Sinudeity#!
P4T - "Suprised why social scientists kept quiet and didn't correct the president's misconception."And be attacked by SACP/COSATU/Mantashe and all the other top dawgs?
Now just imagine, instead of JZ, if an educated dude was elected to lead from the beginning...
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Tasto_
R300million from LandBank vanished in EC while Makhenkile was premier even up to day no1 was brought to justice or to account, EC full of potholes!! I just wonder how are EC farmworkers earn my guess one of the best paid ones !!Report Abuse
TUGLYF
@Lungui couldnt have said it better myself.next election, i will vote DA while Im an ANC card carrieng member.
enaf is enaf, to hell with these low life crooks.
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Chabella
the ANC should now by now that their boycots dont work. Anyway, what would a wine boycot achieve, other than the destruction of an South African industry, with the corresponding destruction of jobs. The workers will sudenly earn nothing.That the wages need to be reviewed, Im all for that, but calling for boycotts, destruction of farms and equipment. That achieves nothing, it actually makes the problem worse.
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Chabella
this written by freedomfighter needs to be repeated:On the one hand the ANC wants to create jobs; on the other hand the ANC wants to destroy the very people who supply this jobs.
One the one hand the ANC needs a wide tax base to collect revenue for its government; on the other hand the ANC destroys and undermines that same tax base.
One the one hand the ANC champions the constitution; on the other hand the ANC and President do their best to avoid accountability under that constitution.
One the one hand the ANC supports capitalism; on the other hand the ANC, Communists and COSATU do their best to undermine the capitalists.
On the one hand the ANC says they are against corruption; on the other hand they are the most corrupt.
What is the ANC actually? They are just one collective of con artists who are ripping us off every day.
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BraSipho
ANC is past dumb!!If the wine industry should be boycotted, where will that taxes come from?
How will the ANC big guys then steal that money?
Enough of these fools. They survive because the so called "wackers" are too stupid. They think but there is a big surprise to the ZANU PF party of SA!!
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