You wanna know why?
Go to
statssa.gov.za/Census2011/Products/Census_2011_Fact_sheet.pdf
scroll down to tables 6 and 7. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
The important word here is AVERAGE.
As MommaC pointed out in the statistics - the average whi.te person has at least a matric, and if you combine the people that has successfully completed matric and/or a degree that accounts for 77% of the white population, for As.ians it's 62%, Colour.eds it's 33% and for Bl.ack it's 35%
No ill intent or racist demons here, just the hard truth that if you'd like to earn a nice salary, then work hard and ensure that you have a proper education. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
maneater
@ShadesOfGrey
good pint that you making sir but you must also keep in mind that in order for one to have a proper education one need to have proper school and we know a third of our african schools do not have basic learning necessities. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
lerotse
Why keep voting the same party that did not do you good for 18years .You think o tla tsena wa ba corrupt . Not all of you who vote le tla tsenago. Take alternative not desparate route.Vote other African parties in Mzanzi other than the one you are not satisfied with. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
MOKOPANEDUDE
Schooling is important but just imagine a kid learning under a tree,and that happen only to blacks these why we will always hv lower percentage in most of the things,recently text books saga Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
stifftailmiaumiu
@ShadeOfgrey
The statistics maybe correct but do they explain the reason why Africans are lagging behind in their findings ? Not all people that are not educated chose to be . If you are a black person ( and not coconut ) you would clearly understand the situation affecting our people . Lack of financial support ( did you check the unemployment stats ? ) . Many parents are unemployed and that affects their children who are supposed to get better education . Dysfunctional families as a result of the above mentioned reason . And a host of other not caused by an individual's own doing . So if you have made it due to having support and resources , don't look down on the less fortunate and label them lazy . You might have benefited from their mystery somehow . Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
Far from looking down on the less fortunate, I'm saying that there is so much that can be done, if only there was any real political will to do so.
Consider that our government spends a staggering amount on education, I believe more percentage wise than any other African country, and yet our education is lagging far behind. A big problem is that the money is being inefficiently spent, huge amounts are lost to corruption and then there is the stranglehold that the unions have on the system. Take examples like the textbook saga, with no one in government actually taking responsibility, and blaming everyone but themselves. Situations where it's up to private organisations to take government to court to try and get them to deliver. How incredibly back to front is that?!
If we had strong leadership, who are actually concerned about the people rather than their own back pockets (or cars, or palace) this problem can be solved. But while our government is leaking money like a sieve it is the poor who will remain poor, and suffer the most.
who cares? zuma and his kids are looting, malema and floyd wanted to join, they got kicked out, now that they are out, they want us to think they were kicked for they wanted to stop the looting, yet they were pushed out of the gravey train for looting and making noise at the same time, they dont know the rule that says dont talk while eating! Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
Bebesocs
I am sure Mac Maharaj can debate this one, it has been 18 years since they have been in power and we have been supporting ANC + Maharaj+ Guptas= we (voters) are the loosers. I am sure this time its not apartheid, this is disgusting and it sucks, not when we have fresh young millionaires, I challenge Maharaj Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
MommaC
the stats make for fascinating reading.
statssa.gov.za/Publications/P03014/P030142011.pdf
in 3.7
12.1% of black females have ZERO education but they whip the boy's when it comes to tertiary.
If you then go down to 3.20
WE ARE GETTING LESS EDUCATED.
fewer and fewer people are completing school and more and more are having no education at all. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
Winilen
@stifftailmiaumiu
@ShadeOfgrey
The statistics maybe correct but do they explain the reason why Africans are lagging behind in their findings ? Not all people that are not educated chose to be . If you are a black person ( and not coconut ) you would clearly understand the situation affecting our people . Lack of financial support ( did you check the unemployment stats ? ) . Many parents are unemployed and that affects their children who are supposed to get better education . Dysfunctional families as a result of the above mentioned reason . And a host of other not caused by an individual's own doing . So if you have made it due to having support and resources , don't look down on the less fortunate and label them lazy . You might have benefited from their mystery somehow .
.......................................................................................................................
Well said. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
MommaC
stifftailmiaumiu
There are many, many, many reasons for the discrepancies. That doesn't mean that the discrepancies should be ignored. It means that we need to look at them and FIX them. Being all defensive and aggressive about it isn't going to make the differences go away or make them any better in the next 18 years. If we continue to deny that there IS a problem then we cannot ever find a solution to the problem. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
Groenepapier456
sowe wit mense are poor, some cant even man afford a mere garden boy, Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
Printa
Dont be fooled. Blacks are not necessary earning less because of their education because they still do more work on same level spec, as whites but, especially in the Private Sector, they are rated less in salaries because white led private companies can do this without being questioned.
No one stands for this class. There is no UNIONs, Government interference. Nadaaah. Report Abuse
Printa & KeRataBasadi - citation or it didn't happen. Many a time I've heard this comment on the Sowetan, but have seen no evidence for it, and seriously it makes very little sense for a company to do so.
Firstly the only thing a company cares about is the bottom line, making a profit. So if person A is adding more value to your company than person B then it makes perfect sense to pay person A more, irrespective of gender, belief or race. Mostly as you want to entice person A to stay on, work harder and carry on adding that value to the company.
In addition if any company does discriminate based on race, gender or belief then they run the real risk of being hauled in front of the CCMA and incurring massive fines, far more than they would save by any unfair pay practices.
Timing for StatsSA is good for Zuma to critisize disparity 'cause he is looking forward for second term. How much is he earning and his comprades at the parliment? All his wives are earning something like R37K per months. Let Malema challenge Zuma, he has seen that Zuma is leading poor people no where. Check how much are the CEO of the parastatals are earning per month, this is disgrace to poor black voters, infact is an insult. Report Abuse
Oct 30, 2012
tetrahedron
Education education education!! That is the answer. But what does ANC do to educate our children? We will never rise from poverty without a GOOD education. The ANC are happy to keep the poor uneducated because it secures them their votes. If people were educated, they would know not to vote ANC. Report Abuse
Oct 31, 2012
queen2nd
Well I can’t help but to notice that everyone bashing Anc, well let me remind you that, this is the Capitalist world or country. It’s a survival of the fittest. Unfortunately as black people we will always dandling on the bottom of the food chain. It’s not South African crisis, it’s a world crisis. It’s not just about color but about class. Those who can afford will make sure their children get the best education. Black man you on your own. Report Abuse
Oct 31, 2012
Mamamedium
I thought after our freedom the gap between whites and blacks would have been narrowed at least by 50% but then I was just dreaming. I think we need to change our leadership. Kids attending school under trees? Can someone tell me during apartheid was there such thing? Or books deliver 6 months after school were opened? Stay blessed Report Abuse
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MommaC
You wanna know why?Go to
statssa.gov.za/Census2011/Products/Census_2011_Fact_sheet.pdf
scroll down to tables 6 and 7.
Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
The important word here is AVERAGE.As MommaC pointed out in the statistics - the average whi.te person has at least a matric, and if you combine the people that has successfully completed matric and/or a degree that accounts for 77% of the white population, for As.ians it's 62%, Colour.eds it's 33% and for Bl.ack it's 35%
No ill intent or racist demons here, just the hard truth that if you'd like to earn a nice salary, then work hard and ensure that you have a proper education.
Report Abuse
maneater
@ShadesOfGreygood pint that you making sir but you must also keep in mind that in order for one to have a proper education one need to have proper school and we know a third of our african schools do not have basic learning necessities.
Report Abuse
lerotse
Why keep voting the same party that did not do you good for 18years .You think o tla tsena wa ba corrupt . Not all of you who vote le tla tsenago. Take alternative not desparate route.Vote other African parties in Mzanzi other than the one you are not satisfied with.Report Abuse
MOKOPANEDUDE
Schooling is important but just imagine a kid learning under a tree,and that happen only to blacks these why we will always hv lower percentage in most of the things,recently text books sagaReport Abuse
stifftailmiaumiu
@ShadeOfgreyThe statistics maybe correct but do they explain the reason why Africans are lagging behind in their findings ? Not all people that are not educated chose to be . If you are a black person ( and not coconut ) you would clearly understand the situation affecting our people . Lack of financial support ( did you check the unemployment stats ? ) . Many parents are unemployed and that affects their children who are supposed to get better education . Dysfunctional families as a result of the above mentioned reason . And a host of other not caused by an individual's own doing . So if you have made it due to having support and resources , don't look down on the less fortunate and label them lazy . You might have benefited from their mystery somehow .
Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
Far from looking down on the less fortunate, I'm saying that there is so much that can be done, if only there was any real political will to do so.Consider that our government spends a staggering amount on education, I believe more percentage wise than any other African country, and yet our education is lagging far behind. A big problem is that the money is being inefficiently spent, huge amounts are lost to corruption and then there is the stranglehold that the unions have on the system. Take examples like the textbook saga, with no one in government actually taking responsibility, and blaming everyone but themselves. Situations where it's up to private organisations to take government to court to try and get them to deliver. How incredibly back to front is that?!
If we had strong leadership, who are actually concerned about the people rather than their own back pockets (or cars, or palace) this problem can be solved. But while our government is leaking money like a sieve it is the poor who will remain poor, and suffer the most.
Report Abuse
swona
who cares? zuma and his kids are looting, malema and floyd wanted to join, they got kicked out, now that they are out, they want us to think they were kicked for they wanted to stop the looting, yet they were pushed out of the gravey train for looting and making noise at the same time, they dont know the rule that says dont talk while eating!Report Abuse
Bebesocs
I am sure Mac Maharaj can debate this one, it has been 18 years since they have been in power and we have been supporting ANC + Maharaj+ Guptas= we (voters) are the loosers. I am sure this time its not apartheid, this is disgusting and it sucks, not when we have fresh young millionaires, I challenge MaharajReport Abuse
MommaC
the stats make for fascinating reading.statssa.gov.za/Publications/P03014/P030142011.pdf
in 3.7
12.1% of black females have ZERO education but they whip the boy's when it comes to tertiary.
If you then go down to 3.20
WE ARE GETTING LESS EDUCATED.
fewer and fewer people are completing school and more and more are having no education at all.
Report Abuse
Winilen
@stifftailmiaumiu@ShadeOfgrey
The statistics maybe correct but do they explain the reason why Africans are lagging behind in their findings ? Not all people that are not educated chose to be . If you are a black person ( and not coconut ) you would clearly understand the situation affecting our people . Lack of financial support ( did you check the unemployment stats ? ) . Many parents are unemployed and that affects their children who are supposed to get better education . Dysfunctional families as a result of the above mentioned reason . And a host of other not caused by an individual's own doing . So if you have made it due to having support and resources , don't look down on the less fortunate and label them lazy . You might have benefited from their mystery somehow .
.......................................................................................................................
Well said.
Report Abuse
MommaC
stifftailmiaumiuThere are many, many, many reasons for the discrepancies. That doesn't mean that the discrepancies should be ignored. It means that we need to look at them and FIX them. Being all defensive and aggressive about it isn't going to make the differences go away or make them any better in the next 18 years. If we continue to deny that there IS a problem then we cannot ever find a solution to the problem.
Report Abuse
Groenepapier456
sowe wit mense are poor, some cant even man afford a mere garden boy,Report Abuse
Printa
Dont be fooled. Blacks are not necessary earning less because of their education because they still do more work on same level spec, as whites but, especially in the Private Sector, they are rated less in salaries because white led private companies can do this without being questioned.No one stands for this class. There is no UNIONs, Government interference. Nadaaah.
Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ PrintaI could not have said it better.
Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
Printa & KeRataBasadi - citation or it didn't happen. Many a time I've heard this comment on the Sowetan, but have seen no evidence for it, and seriously it makes very little sense for a company to do so.Firstly the only thing a company cares about is the bottom line, making a profit. So if person A is adding more value to your company than person B then it makes perfect sense to pay person A more, irrespective of gender, belief or race. Mostly as you want to entice person A to stay on, work harder and carry on adding that value to the company.
In addition if any company does discriminate based on race, gender or belief then they run the real risk of being hauled in front of the CCMA and incurring massive fines, far more than they would save by any unfair pay practices.
Report Abuse
Newitim
Timing for StatsSA is good for Zuma to critisize disparity 'cause he is looking forward for second term. How much is he earning and his comprades at the parliment? All his wives are earning something like R37K per months. Let Malema challenge Zuma, he has seen that Zuma is leading poor people no where. Check how much are the CEO of the parastatals are earning per month, this is disgrace to poor black voters, infact is an insult.Report Abuse
tetrahedron
Education education education!! That is the answer. But what does ANC do to educate our children? We will never rise from poverty without a GOOD education. The ANC are happy to keep the poor uneducated because it secures them their votes. If people were educated, they would know not to vote ANC.Report Abuse
queen2nd
Well I can’t help but to notice that everyone bashing Anc, well let me remind you that, this is the Capitalist world or country. It’s a survival of the fittest. Unfortunately as black people we will always dandling on the bottom of the food chain. It’s not South African crisis, it’s a world crisis. It’s not just about color but about class. Those who can afford will make sure their children get the best education. Black man you on your own.Report Abuse
Mamamedium
I thought after our freedom the gap between whites and blacks would have been narrowed at least by 50% but then I was just dreaming. I think we need to change our leadership. Kids attending school under trees? Can someone tell me during apartheid was there such thing? Or books deliver 6 months after school were opened? Stay blessedReport Abuse
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