Come on now sowetan, why the heck is this news???? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Eraser
hahahahaha not this one again...this one wa hafa.. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
oldlady12
had it only been for the impersonating charges, I would have believed that the man is mentally ill. However, there are some serious charges here too such as rape, so I think this is a build up to medical parole due to mental illness. Report Abuse
oldlady12
had it only been for the impersonating charges, I would have believed that the man is mentally ill. However, there are some serious charges here too such as rape, so I think this is a build up to medical parole due to mental illness
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but is becoming clear each and every dar that this is mentally unstable Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
What's with this absurd anti-zulu rubbish, people? Is simple racism not enough for you, that you must still get into "tribal" division?
This guy is a complete lunatic. Displays all the characteristics of classic schizophrenia. None of the "visions" nonsense. The man is hallucinating. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MGEEZ
@Mapholobakay1
@my pot
We represent almost a half of the population. You should move out of Mzansi. Lelizwe elethu
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What is you point with the statement above? Report Abuse
some of you should be taken to a traditional healer, because your blogs/comments are stupid...as for this "mgqumeni" fellow, perhaps he should be returned to the cave whence he came. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
Nyongoyamavenda: Thankyou Sir. Much appreciated. This disease of hating anything "other" is going to drag this lovely country into the gutter even further. I don't understand how people don't see this.
There is no statement here, these are facts. Yes we are taxi drivers BUT we are also academics, sportmen, celebrities, politicians, you name it.
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true as if being a taxi equal being a witch it is a legal way of making income its better than riding on a donkey Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mamlambo
nxa. people can be so du.mb. Times are moving foward chief. forget superstitious nonsense.
RobinH and Nyongoyamavenda, i don't know if I buy his looney act. Loonies would see things and imagine things, and maybe even take something that does not belong to them, thus leading to theft charges, but I don't believe going looney would all of a sudden make you a rapis.t. You're either the violent type of looney, or the been to heaven and now I'm back in another body type of looney. I'd like to know more about the rape charges before I can make up my mind about him. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
zuluchick
as blacks can we realy mock this man? i do not believe in witchcraft but has been drilled into me all my life and im saved by my religious beliefs but again as blacks knowing very well how close to home this topic is can we realy comment in a mockery sense??? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Instead of saying you want a bible or the Quran, you want traditional medicine.....bari Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
KGS000
Mgqumeni aka Changing faces, He ain't well upstairs Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Flemza
Just let the prophet has his muti whats wrong with that, its not poison Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
oldlady12
RobinH, good for you for taking on this tribalism nonsense. As if it wasn't enough that people were classified by the apartheid governments, they now go classify each other. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
@ALL
I do applaude this man for not being embarrased or ashamed to use AFRICAN medication or herbs it is his democratical right and duty to ask what can heal him and we dont have that right to judge him rather judge our culture and tradition as whole.HOWEVER im so disappointed to those MODEL C;s and SNOBS who act as if they are whi.te and better than this man...the less i spk about SINUIDITY ppl the better reason being is there understanding about herbs is limited and they only know herbs through newspapers and tv Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
MyPot
@Nyongoyamazulu
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wa gafa, is your name promoting unity, until you cut your biltongs we will not keep quite about scary zulus.
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yes you are like a babooon that has released forest and attempt made to make it act human but it always resort bushy ways cos that is the only it knows,we certainly will do much without your love Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mbeki_2
Stop tribalism - stop tradition weapons. If Zulu did not have a spear and stick it in the guy's face, he would be alive today. Carry your weapons in the rural - why in the cities.???? Cities are NOT traditional Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
@Flemza
what its not poison? Jy praat tweak......so you also you drink urine mixed with shiet, and blood and don't even know where it comes from and you do not call that poison
Flemza: Prophet???? Oh my. Another lunatic. Lithium anybody?
Oldlady: Thanks. It has become so prevalent here that I feel quite sick every day when I open these pages. I am making it one of my little private missions to drag out this disgusting fear of otherness when I see it, and expose it for the sheer madness that it is. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MyPot
witchcraft is found everywhere in africa and elsewhere, even tswanas and zulus, vendas and xanganas do it, only robinh who robed our minerals can make fun of us, i worked in kzn for one year, we used to reject food from coleagues afraid of such strange things which was happening there.. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mosquer
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Instead of saying you want a bible or the Quran, you want traditional medicine.....bari
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Quaran???? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Winilen
Some people here are stup.id you know... how did this story become about Zulus mxm!!! Stop being fcuking rastist Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
BoombaWaBicycle
Uyanya wena mypot you are as crazy as this guy..........
oldlady12
RobinH and Nyongoyamavenda, i don't know if I buy his looney act. Loonies would see things and imagine things, and maybe even take something that does not belong to them, thus leading to theft charges, but I don't believe going looney would all of a sudden make you a rapis.t. You're either the violent type of looney, or the been to heaven and now I'm back in another body type of looney. I'd like to know more about the rape charges before I can make up my mind about him.
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i dont know about his rape case but i belive i have heared of a case of mental unstable person commiting rape and murder Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Blackstone.lebs
But his plea was turned down by the court, with Magistrate Mogwera telling him that she had no jurisdiction over prisons.
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I hope he was referred to someone who has jurisdiction over prisons. Thief/kidnapper/rapist/fraudster or not, i think his request should be granted. Criminals are well taken care of anyway. Report Abuse
Mosquer......quran...yes, is there something wrong with reading the quran.. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bumnandibungaphansikwesdwaba
ITS SAD TO SEE MGQUMENI'S NAME BEING DRAGGED TO THE MUD LIKE THIS, MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PEACE, I WILL ALWAYS MISS YOU MASHOBANE, THIS IDIOT (GCABASHE) MUST ROT IN JAIL. MGQUMENI WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE KING OF MASKANDI MUSIC. HAMBA BHOVA LIDIKADIKA, SIYOHLALA SIKUKHUMBULA Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
MyPot
witchcraft is found everywhere in africa and elsewhere, even tswanas and zulus, vendas and xanganas do it, only robinh who robed our minerals can make fun of us, i worked in kzn for one year, we used to reject food from coleagues afraid of such strange things which was happening there..
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yes it hapen throughout the world is not the same but the intensity differs in other ares like Limpopo and southern Zim it is more intense and that is a fact, dont lie you have never worked in kzn ,tel me where Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MsHollyHerb
MyPot
Warry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa, there is a saying that, if a Zulu passes infront of you while you are going somewhere, its a bad luck....therefore you should go back before you experience a hell on earth.
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Zulus are just bad luck in your A**ss WENANJA, and to all those u talk bad of Zulu shame ninenkinga, why else people always attack Zulus , zulus think they clever zulu this zulu that, iyodwa vo indaba jelous ninomona ngamazulu, nifisa ngabe ningamaZulu self, well hard luck u will never be one, NX niyacika str8, Report Abuse
MsHollyHerb
MyPot
Warry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa, there is a saying that, if a Zulu passes infront of you while you are going somewhere, its a bad luck....therefore you should go back before you experience a hell on earth.
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Zulus are just bad luck in your A**ss WENANJA, and to all those u talk bad of Zulu shame ninenkinga, why else people always attack Zulus , zulus think they clever zulu this zulu that, iyodwa vo indaba jelous ninomona ngamazulu, nifisa ngabe ningamaZulu self, well hard luck u will never be one, NX niyacika str8,
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zulu have achived so much in the past and continue to do so ,just look how Zulu langauge is used extensivel on commercial adverts and thats what is irking other tribes especialy those from limpopo,instead of celebrating an African succes and imitate its succes they get jelous and resort this witching mentality, when you are called black dont allow your mind to think black Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
MyPot: With respect, Sir, I have never "robed" a mineral in my life, and I believe that I demonstrate a great deal more tolerance in good sense than you seem capable of. Please take your paranoid incapacity and stick it where it belongs. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
malemaforpresident
He had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.
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I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
P.M.S. LOL now I thought I heard it all, these muthi freaks are taking things to a whole new level of ridiculousness, couldn't even finished reading the article first para I was like what? is this for real? thanks Sowetan for providing us with so much laughter so early in the morning, now can we please get to the real stuff, instead of this hoola boola stuff? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
5SKIPAZ
@Sowetan
you still follow this 'celeb'' all the way to the prison, we are sick and tired mann Report Abuse
Pointman
This mampara dont know when to shut up. Enough of these antics - he should just do his time now.
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perhaps this is for entertainment reasons, cause seriously no one should take this serious, I thought the dude if he really said the things Sowetan allege he said, then he is should try stand up comedy and entertain prison warders and prisoners alike, lol Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
malemaforpresident
He had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.
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I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law
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your blog name says it you deserv no response,this is not bush so we dont know the langauge you speak Report Abuse
This guy is playing and he thinks everyone else is.........1st he claims to be someone else, and now he wants to use muthi in prison...................why did he not use the muthi so cannot be caught.....???? idiots Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
If witchcraft still exist among us, why is they no one in South Africa doing research on it, if found then why are we not publishing books on how it works, if Africans still have dominion over nature, power to control forces of nature then this technic should be known, one thing I respect about Zulu people is they still have Sanuzi who are rich in African mystery knowladge, some of them still can speak the old Sinzu language of our ancestors, Baba Credo Motwa is one of those Sanuzi. And yes Zulu men can be Danda-heads.... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
malemaforpresident
He had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.
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I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law
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for you its raely a case of baboooons laughing each other Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
And in the meantime, and in the real world, the president is refusing to have a long overdue national debate on the country's economy, maybe he is waiting for muti to help debate with Queen Zille, lol anyway if at some stage they do grant DA long overdue debate on economy, please Helen may you please not wear a kanga to the debate.../ Shem I can't take zuma and mgqumeni serious they are sides of a same coin freaking clowns. Report Abuse
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this. It was their only strategy to create a disunity of the black people who are a majority in this country. This would inturn give them a chance to win elections should we get democratic. Our parents were brainwashed and trained by white people to hate each other based on tribes. You people have inherited it. You are stupid... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mosquer
@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors? Report Abuse
@DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes... Report Abuse
Mosquer
@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
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Older generation and chiefs including traditional healers is our books!!!! unfortunatly we dont need a book to teach us our own culture,,,is the a book that shows you how to take a sh.it? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
Which craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.
Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol
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i told you yesterday tha you are brainwashed ,now its you say its right to be tribaliist ,ya here the man in crisis Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@Nyongoyamavenda and I told you that you are a brainless caveman. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
Mzabalazo: BEAUTIFULLY STATED. AN admirable, progressive view of the world. Report Abuse
@Mzabalazo, wena you should be a president of Africa, that way we can already start moving forward instead of being stagnated in outdated beliefs, you go girl!!! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Mosquer
@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
That's my point we don't have research on rituals of our people, our knowladge system has faded into superstition and yet we still hear reports of ord things still happening out there. Listen to a Sanusi like Credo Motwa talk you will realise they is more to our mystery system than just superstition, certain mental principles and foculties of man are still tought amongst a group of initiates, not all traditional healers or sangomas and even witchs are tought this knowladge, Baba Credo acknowladges this selective passing of knowladge amongst Sanuzi adept. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
JahNeh
So many unintelligent comments from some of the bloggers.
I'd really like to meet some of you in person sometime, I just pray that none of you are in my circle of friends, colleagues or family. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
steffie
So that it can help you to become invisible and escape, sis! You should be ashamed of yourself Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Ngiyaphapha
Pale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision..... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Tabza325is
but they escalated the situation to be beyond control and turned us into enemies,wen they took land from ada trinbes by helping certain clans to over power those who had a commisial land that can produce lot of food for there cattles etc....YES disagreements wer de but collevctive agreements wer also de. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
malemaforpresident
@Nyongoyamavenda
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You tjatjaraag dude wa phapha tsheek Report Abuse
Mzabalazo
Which craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.
Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs
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witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only....
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stop being so delusional all the time, Shaka was a vicious deranged psychopath, if at the time in African we had psychiatrists to analyse that guy he'd have been locked up in a mental institution, as not only was he a danger to h imself he was a danger to those around him, Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mosquer
@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
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Older generation and chiefs including traditional healers is our books!!!! unfortunatly we dont need a book to teach us our own culture,,,is the a book that shows you how to take a sh.i.t
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@T.C.T did you know that traditional healing and witch craft are not a monopoly of Africans, whites used to partake on such beliefs and not only whites nmany nationalities in the dark ages used to do and believe in a similar way that we identify as our own culture. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@JahNeh
So many unintelligent comments from some of the bloggers.
I'd really like to meet some of you in person sometime, I just pray that none of you are in my circle of friends, colleagues or family.
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is that the only place you are able to meet us? you must a be a prisoner then? lol how is the hunger strike going? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda
"Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day"
You see war is not the way to unite people, Moshoeshoe archived unity and formed the Basotho nation through peace.... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit
@Mzabalazo, wena you should be a president of Africa, that way we can already start moving forward instead of being stagnated in outdated beliefs, you go girl!!!
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and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
somaartakeit
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only....
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stop being so delusional all the time, Shaka was a vicious deranged psychopath, if at the time in African we had psychiatrists to analyse that guy he'd have been locked up in a mental institution, as not only was he a danger to h imself he was a danger to those around him,
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Lol. I thought I was the only one who calls a spade a spade, lol. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MyPot
Durban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mamlambo
Ngiyaphapha
Pale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision.....
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Yes, tribalism is the same as racism, and as long as we let tribalism have a place, we are showing that we are as bad as any racism displayed by our pale friends.
Stop blaming others for your problems.
Ngiyaphapha: "Pale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision....." WHAT ABSOLUTE RACIST RUBBISH! If tribalism "propagates their vision" then why are you being so divisive? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Which craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.
Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs
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Maybe the right and correct qtion you need to ask yourself first is what is the meaning of witch craft?how is it working? is it practised by those who practice culture? those who attend church dont they practice wichcraft?........my knowleadge is all ppl can commit witch craft, with herbs or not.....based on some comments here ppl real dont understand witch craft they cant even pin point or validatre or invalidate that witch craft all im seeing is wrong knowleadge that has been influenced by those who failed to learn AFRICAN CULTURE Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
JahNeh
@somaartakeit
is that the only place you are able to meet us?
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Bravo; what an intelligent comment!
BTW; by "us" do you mean the "unintelligent" bloggers? Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda: "and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head" Hmmm. Looks as though Mgqumeni isn't the only lunatic around.
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda
"Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day"
You see war is not the way to unite people, Moshoeshoe archived unity and formed the Basotho nation through peace....
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Moshoeshoe initial aim was to protect himself from shaka so he recruited the tribes running awy from Shaka wich is natural in time of war but Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule, imagine if whites find such a large kingdom wht was their chance of deafetin us. you know in the past people were dependant on conquest and mighty of their armies wich is stil prevalent today who can stop America on its way Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
DJ-Winner
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes...
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Aparteid regime and colonists created zones, now provinces and people of different tribes we not allowed to move out of those zones to interact. That we in this day we still struggling to even understand each other languages. It is an embarrassment really that we communicate in English in this country...
Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why.... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mzabalazo its called independent thinking and analysing information not just sucking in everything being told to you, you know for a long time many believed that God live in the sky, even today some tell their children to not point direction of the sky cause that is considered to be disrespectiful to God, anyway in Nigeria they have a culture where a new bride may not eat a chicken gizzard when serving chicken, if she does her whole family is accused of being dishonorable, I mean what is a chicken gizzard to use to concl honour or dishonor of a family, some of our guys are a coocoos if you ask me, and sooner we all work hard against this hookas pookas beliefs the sooner we can already move forward and catch up with the rest of the world.
BTW Ch!nese still do practice traditional healing, only diffs with rest of other traditionalists is that their methods are SCIENTIFICALLY been proven to work, eg Shiatsu, Acupuncture and some traditional medicines, that is now taking the west by storm, but Ch!nese proved their case beyond reasonable dout, hence this practice is respected in the world, Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful
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There we go again, making funny comments, did you just ponder before you answered?
Are you trying to tell me that Mugabe is the child of God? I am not saying he is not but I want to know if you are just saying things or responding to my question.
Do you want to tell me that the Europeans who made Africans slaves were children of God? I am asking this because witch craft did not work on them and if we uses your reasoning it leads us to that conclusion there you will also be meaning that God was very supportive of slavery since it was his children who were enslaving Africans, is that where you are leading this debate? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol
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Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
The_Only_1
The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa does allow people to practice their cultural beliefs. This right is prescribed in the Bill of Rights which is the cornerstone of our Constitution. The Laws and the Judiciary system of the Republic also recognises Traditional Courts and these courts have legal powers to take decisions. Then why this Plea/Case be not uplifted to Traditional Courts as these courts use cultural beliefs in solving certain matters or maybe these courts are just there to blush Black people but are not regarded as Legal as Westernised Courts (Reginal Courts and High Courts)? Witchraft doesc exist in South Africa and even White Peolple practice it behind closed doors. There is a possibility that this Mgqumeni might be telling the truth however it has also to be realised that once you are arrested you loose certain rights - in this regard he has lost his right to practice his cultural belief of using Traditional Herbs or Umuthi. I personally do not see anything wrong for his Plea to be considered once he has been charged by a Judge as part of reharbilitating him thruogh his belief system. Our tax money can also buy traditional herbs as much as it buys Disprins and Panados for Prisoners. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
RobinH
Nyongoyamavenda: "and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head" Hmmm. Looks as though Mgqumeni isn't the only lunatic around
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i hate lies n i believe they are devil inspired this argued a great deal with me telling me lies but today he is defending tribalists,i cant stand him Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself, Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "Moshoeshoe initial aim was to protect himself from shaka so he recruited the tribes running awy from Shaka wich is natural in time of war but Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule"
How do you protect yourself by using Difaqani, those people wer already displaced by war, you forget had already formed a powerful alliance with the Queen and General Mantatisi who commanded the carnival soldiers of the Batlokwa tribe, this is why Shaka failed against Moshoeshoe, even Mzilikazi failed, Moshoeshoe took pitty on difaqani and assimulated them into the Basotho tribe. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bumnandibungaphansikwesdwaba
Gcabashe has been in prison since last year following his "rising from the dead" and shocking appearance - crudely claiming to be Mqqumeni - in Nquthu.================================================================================
Sowetan, you must get your facts straight, Gcabashe was arrested this year, on sunday the 4th of February.
Those who put negative comments on here obviously have nothing better to do with their time. GET A JOB. It’s downright pathetic how some people can judge others. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself,
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I don't remember supporting or promoting any tribalism in this site. You do... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
MZABALAZO
@T.C.T did you know that traditional healing and witch craft are not a monopoly of Africans, whites used to partake on such beliefs and not only whites nmany nationalities in the dark ages used to do and believe in a similar way that we identify as our own culture.
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INDIANS, CHINA perform theirs differently from AFRICANS the qtion is can we validate or invalidate a MYTH?
@Theonly1 btw culture or tradition should not be used as a manipulation tool to siphon tax monies from unsuspecting tax payers, we already have a president and kings abusing their cultures so they can participating in sex as swingers and we are paying to realise porn fantacies of some using culture, if this mgqumeni character wants to be afforded muti in prison he must bloody well pay for it not tax payers, that's my standpoint. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
I think one needs to draw a distinction between practices that people believe to be associated with so-called "witchcraft", and "witchcraft" itself. The fact that many many people, here and elsewhere, perform various rituals or consume various substances in the belief that some supernatural phenomenon is going to come into play. in no way proves that such a phenomenon actually exists. This is 2012 people. You are sitting there using a global communication device and are able to make yourself informed about anything anywhere, but no, some people actually CHOOSE to try and disguise their incapacity for rational thought with such absurdity. Welcome to the stone age. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful
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There we go again, making funny comments, did you just ponder before you answered?
Are you trying to tell me that Mugabe is the child of God? I am not saying he is not but I want to know if you are just saying things or responding to my question.
Do you want to tell me that the Europeans who made Africans slaves were children of God? I am asking this because witch craft did not work on them and if we uses your reasoning it leads us to that conclusion there you will also be meaning that God was very supportive of slavery since it was his children who were enslaving Africans, is that where you are leading this debate?
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your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself,
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"I don't remember supporting or promoting any tribalism in this site. you do..." WHATEVER! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, "Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why...."
You and king Zwelithini you keep telling yourselves that Shaka was a peacefull man who didn't hurm anyone but sort to unite people peacefully and couldn't understand why others refused, if they refused why not leave them in peace, why wage a war against them, why displace people from thier villages, why refuse a peace gesture from Moshoeshoe and other chiefs at that time... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Cl!ck-
All of these comments are demonic and possessed.. If I read another word above me, I'm afraid that I might turn into stone.. *Absolutely horrific*
Ag man jus give this dude muthi, I mean we are allowing soup, vaseline, ponds and other lotions. if he thinks his medication its better than vaseline let him have it.. haawu Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
"your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics" if muti works then why don't you demonstrate to us by applying the so called bullet proof muti, and I will shoot at you and we will both see what happens? cause really you know that muti is BS concorted by the ppl who were bored, if muti or witchcraft was effective how is that blacks the world over are economic underdogs, why are they not using this craft which they have for advancement instead of being of being economic slaves everywhere in the world?
Now that Juju has been quoted as having said, him and the ancyl are calling ont he whites to surrender the lander or else there will be bloodbath, why does he not hypnotise the whites with muti and make them surrender the land voluntarily? lets put this claim to test already guys, Report Abuse
I am originaly from Limpopo and during the festivities Ill be there and when i grew up i heared rummours of people flying using broomsticks and loaf of bread and one day i wanted to experiment and i took a broom stick and put it betweeen my legs and i attempted to fly but it did not then i realised that people believe in Sh1t. I personally dont believe in witchcraft cause ive never seen a bewitched person and i believe if that thing really exist people will use it to enter Banks and clean out all the monies without any trace bt its not happenning Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
We can't even extradite Dewani because of his medical condition. He has a right to be seek Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
Bumboklaat
Ny@ope+ whoonga= extreme hallucinations!
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LOVL hopefully tax payers aren't paying to provide such a luxury cause many would like to do nyoape and whoonga but can't afford it, lol Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, "Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why...."
You and king Zwelithini you keep telling yourselves that Shaka was a peacefull man who didn't hurm anyone but sort to unite people peacefully and couldn't understand why others refused, if they refused why not leave them in peace, why wage a war against them, why displace people from thier villages, why refuse a peace gesture from Moshoeshoe and other chiefs at that time...
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no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity Report Abuse
MyPot
Warry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa
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Go to hell!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
somaartakeit
Madam can you differentiate btwn culture and tradision? pls give examples alos cause you seems to think you know better? those dancers you see in tv do they do cultural dance OR tradisional dance?
is WHAT is the meaning of MUTHI according to you?cause you are giving the impression that MUTHI is witchcraft!!! molemo kampo ditlhare,muthi medication are the same thing Report Abuse
Guys lets stop with hallucinations and get a handle of the real world, if muti was effective Africa would by now be world chamapions on the football stakes, not to mention that our always failing Bafana bafana would by now be at least African champions, so chillax with this muti stuff, and please don't expect tax payers money spent on BS, lets get real for once, this muti talk is effective when you are trying to pull ranks amongst the no brainers, I also used to tell my maid whilst in JHB that I had a strong Xhosa muti if she takes anything from the house without my permission my Impundulu (Xhosa equivalent of Tikoloshe) would sort her and her entire family out, she was loyal she never took anything, see how ignorance can be used against you? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
"your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics" if muti works then why don't you demonstrate to us by applying the so called bullet proof muti, and I will shoot at you and we will both see what happens? cause really you know that muti is BS concorted by the ppl who were bored, if muti or witchcraft was effective how is that blacks the world over are economic underdogs, why are they not using this craft which they have for advancement instead of being of being economic slaves everywhere in the world?
Now that Juju has been quoted as having said, him and the ancyl are calling ont he whites to surrender the lander or else there will be bloodbath, why does he not hypnotise the whites with muti and make them surrender the land voluntarily? lets put this claim to test already guys,
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i dont use muthi or believe in it but i know it can works i dont know about its power limits Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
Politicians allies also get out of jail because of their medical conditions. This guy also has a right to get the muti in prison or be released on his medical condition. If not the state must give him a traditional doctor to attend to his medical condition. Any traditional doctor freelancing for the suffering bolk. The traditional doctors are recognized in RSA anyway Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
The_Only_1
@somaartakeit
@Theonly1 btw culture or tradition should not be used as a manipulation tool to siphon tax monies from unsuspecting tax payers, we already have a president and kings abusing their cultures so they can participating in sex as swingers and we are paying to realise porn fantacies of some using culture, if this mgqumeni character wants to be afforded muti in prison he must bloody well pay for it not tax payers, that's my standpoint
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@somaartakeit
"Black People Steal" - We always treat black people as a 'Group' and White people as 'Individuals'. My point here is that when we will start seeing traditional courts given equal powers as Westernised courts? Is it because people who practice culture are not well learnered or holding qualifications to be Lawyers? I dont think so; I dont believe so! I also do not understand why this Mgqumeni must make a Plea to use Muthi wherease no one Pleas to use Panados in Prisoners or even to be transfered to a Medical Doctor. There are registered Traditional Doctors and are recognised by our Constitution, so when will they be given equal rights as Medical Doctors to heal Patients? All what I'm saying we are free on papers but in practice we are not.
That is why we are even today fighting for Economic Freedom in our life time as we are starving and earning R4500p/m and when we complain; we get fired with immediate effect and be told we have broken the Labour Laws but the Mine Magnets are not penalised for not promoting Black Economic Empowerment and giving people a living wage. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
His legal rights are not being protected. His lawyer could not handle it. Did the state appoint a lawyer for him? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Winilen
MyPot
Durban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians.
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and I wonder who told you that Julias? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
Maybe the right and correct qtion you need to ask yourself first is what is the meaning of witch craft?how is it working? is it practised by those who practice culture? those who attend church dont they practice wichcraft?........my knowleadge is all ppl can commit witch craft, with herbs or not.....based on some comments here ppl real dont understand witch craft they cant even pin point or validatre or invalidate that witch craft all im seeing is wrong knowleadge that has been influenced by those who failed to learn AFRICAN CULTURE
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My question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
HoneyB
Can we tone down with the tribalism please? its not necessary. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Winilen
MyPot
Durban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians.
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and I wonder who told you that Julias?
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this guy is has the twin brain with that fake mgqumeni ,they think exactly the same Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
Dagg* is also a muti for horses. Give the man some muti Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@the-only-1 everyone is generalised, in SA whites are generalised when we speak about apartheid, even now some like Malema and many in the anc say DA is apartheid cause of its white leader, so we are all guilty of generalising and being descriminative. Now to my original point, I don't wanna be paying for BS such as muti and polygammy cause this is minipulation its abuse of culture or tradition, that's my position right now, however, is mgrumeni's democratic right to drown himself in muti, I will defend his right to death but I refuse to pay to entertain his hookas pookas belief, come on ppl this is 21st century lets move on already. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
witchdoctors are the morden day Nongqawuse, so I call on users of this service to approach it with caution, I mean how many have been given bullet protecting muti and at a crucial point such muti failed them and today are not here to tell their story or whether confirm if they wld still do use bullet proof muti given a second a chance, so users and believers of muti please thread carefully. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
My question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it?
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thats my problem with muthi or witch its power seem to so vague and a gues,you are never sure of its effectiveness, with Mugabe he is the president he might using the strongest muthi/nyanga
You people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
I think its all the muti he had before that has made him lose his mind completely Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@nyongoyamavenda Mugabe is muti called zimwar vets against his opponents, like many of Africa's strong men using army and rebels (fastest gun) is the ONLY way to win the day, not powers of muti. If as you allude mugabe's muti was effective he would use it to advance Zimbabweas economy and ensure that all zimbabweans have a better life, so come on get over your mugabe using strong muti business cause that's just BS of the first order and it makes you come across as a nutcase. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
My question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it?
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you are not clear in your accusation of FAIL and TRIED pls expand more on that allegation!!!!excatly who is the enemy youn are refering too be specific!!!! unfortunatly the witch craft you are talking about is not the one that made PRES MUGABE to become a leader is all about ppl s choices unless you say Zimbabweans belief in wich craft as far as i know witchcraft is not legal and accepted by our AFRICANs Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mdala
He is a Zuluboy therefore allow him to practise his culture it is his democratic right. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
Nyongoyamavenda
You people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands.
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you are right it is very difficult to answer question on muthi/witchcraft or to defferintiate the two but my point was you simply cannot dimis its power cos you dont believe in it, Yes there was an attempt to use against europeans but i gues it failed dismally a case in point is Nongqause episode, i stoped raeding stars cos they only seem to suceeded in guesing negative side of my life ,i later discovered that stars are devil inspired and he cantarget people born on particular month for a particular desease so there is a lot that looks innocent but iys still part of that muthi/witchcraft Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mdala I think we should take this to a democratic vote, question is to vote for muti or to vote against muti, which is which? if majority favour the muti idea then tax payers must but if only mgqumeni and a couple of nutjobs believe in this myth then I don't see why tax payers should be involved in this crazy joke. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MommaC
"I have visions and see things that other people cannot,"
LOL
Some powerful muti that - prescription only or home grown? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity"
Hahaha, this is why I say you and King Zwelithini are reading from the same book, the first African to call for unity hahaha, Chief Mohlomi of the Banaheng called for unity and peace amongst African people, he travelled throughout African exchanging knowladge and resources with other tribes throughout Africa, before Mohlomi they were other also before him, you and Zwelithini want to act like Shaka was the second coming of Jesus.
Mzabalazo
My question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
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All these peoples were using muti/witchcraft of some kind, maori, aborigine, Africa, american indian, and caribbean, only to name a few. All these cultures were attacked / colonised by europeans and their witchcraft helped nothing. If people in this cultures want to continue with practise of craft, then let them... but you are right... this things are just tradition and have no power over others. We only have power over ourselves.
You people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands.
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you are right it is very difficult to answer question on muthi/witchcraft or to defferintiate the two but my point was you simply cannot dimis its power cos you dont believe in it, Yes there was an attempt to use against europeans but i gues it failed dismally a case in point is Nongqause episode, i stoped raeding stars cos they only seem to suceeded in guesing negative side of my life ,i later discovered that stars are devil inspired and he cantarget people born on particular month for a particular desease so there is a lot that looks innocent but iys still part of that muthi/witchcraft
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Guys muthi is not bad at all that why true traditional healers stil practise it... Muthi becomes bad when it used to harm others & witches loves that.
Once you start practising witch craft you never go on with life because every1 becomes your enemy & you try to protect your self because you beleive they are using muthi on you.
BOLOI BONA BO TENG, le rata kapa le sa rate. Ba bangwe within us bloggers are WITCHES, so stop judging others, if you dont believe then stuff it. Even those that Preaches the Powerful word of God ba ya loya, so WITCHCRAFT ke ntho ere phelang le yona, it is not ONLY ZULUS that believes in MUTHI, kaofela ga lona le ya di sebedisa ditlhare. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MsHollyHerb
zulus nywe nywe nywe, zulus nywe nywe nywe why, simple theres nothing nothing at all to say about others kucacile, its more lyk ezinye izinhlanga doesnt exist,
ayi shame ngiyawavuma amaZulu they making a mark, HALALA, even today people still talk abt oShaka and all,
BIG UP TO AMAZULU, angiyazi lento ashukumisa umhlaba wonke there must be something really good about them. that much is LUNCH BAR. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Popeye
Eish…nawe Sowetan newspaper…what is this? Lembuzi is mentally ill.
Boloi starts with the heart so all of us ra loya!!! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
ChampRef
Nabo abamhlophe baya loya. Fortune tellers are witches. Nabazalwane abanye baya loya. So pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
T.C.T
Culture is a powerful human tool for survival, but it is a fragile phenomenon. It is constantly changing and easily lost because it exists only in our minds. Our written languages, governments, buildings, and other man-made things are merely the products of culture. They are not culture in themselves. For this reason, archaeologists can not dig up culture directly in their excavations. The broken pots and other artifacts of ancient people that they uncover are only material remains that
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Oct 17, 2012
Cl!ck-
We need someone like this guy.. A gifted man who can see the future of our economy, inflation and interest rates as well as our likelyhood with attracting foreign investors into our country..
@ Sowetan
Please ask Zoomer & Trevor Noah to hire this guy immediately!!!..
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity"
Hahaha, this is why I say you and King Zwelithini are reading from the same book, the first African to call for unity hahaha, Chief Mohlomi of the Banaheng called for unity and peace amongst African people, he travelled throughout African exchanging knowladge and resources with other tribes throughout Africa, before Mohlomi they were other also before him, you and Zwelithini want to act like Shaka was the second coming of Jesus
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who is that ,where does he comes from,where do i get read about history really its the first time i hear about him, Shaka s history is so documented ,Americans,British know him as the first uniter of Africans so the one you talk about is unknown Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
A tradition is a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, also a basical character of a society still maintained in the present, with origins in the past.[1][2] Common examples include holidays or impractical but socially meaningful clothes (like lawyer wigs or military officer spurs), but the idea has also been applied to social norms such as greetings. Traditions can persist and evolve for thousands of years—the word "tradition" itself derives from the Latin tradere or traderer literally meaning to transmit, to hand over, to give for safekeeping. While it is commonly assumed that traditions have ancient history, many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural, over short periods of time. Certain scholarly fields, such as anthropology and biology, have adapted the term "tradition," defining it more precisely than its conventional use in order to facilitate scholarly discourse.
@Popeye. He deserves to be discharged on medical condition. He will be a freeman. Much better at the mental health care Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
Oh yeah. The traditional mental healthcare like "uguthwasa" Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
Unlock his potential of seeing things. Economic indicator Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
RobinH
Mzabalazo: " many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural" EXACTLY. Of course the same applies to most formal religions. Artificial constructs to reinforce the positions of those in power. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Candid
Nyongoyamavenda
zulu have achived so much in the past and continue to do so ,just look how Zulu langauge is used extensivel on commercial adverts and thats what is irking other tribes especialy those from limpopo,instead of celebrating an African succes and imitate its succes they get jelous and resort this witching mentality, when you are called black dont allow your mind to think black
Well said Nyongoyamavenda hahahahahahahhaha @ your name.
I'm not a tribalist, but I feel so offended when I read the comments from our fellow BLACK South African...I'm a proud Zulu woman who resides in Guateng whose society is very divise, I don't remember catagorising people at all, let alone treating them differantly because of the color of their skin, WORSE THEIR TRIBE!!...we are showing the level of our capibility to Govern this country.
@Robin H, you couldn't have said it better, this is the LAST thing we need for this country, sadly it's the direction it's taking :-(...I believe so much in this country, we will reach a point where we are all at least OK with each other, mayeb we won't be lucky to experience it.
I pray for all the Zulu haters to at least direct that energy to something positive, life is too short for hatred.
Candid. Good morning to you. Thankyou. This is my primary mission at the moment: To try and point out the absurdity of people's paranoid "otherism". Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
T.C.T
Both culture and tradition evolve, our culture was different before we mined and processed iron/ iron age, just as our culture in the Sourthern Africa was different before the Mfecane/Difaqane war. Our culture and tradition is different now from when we were using candles, and before the we used candles it was different. Today people light candle for traditional settings yet our ancestors never knew what a candle is. Some healers say our ancestors would need candles, why? That is strange Shaka, Sekhokhone, Hintsa do not know candles, so that is a new tradition, just because we use electricity we think this is the way things were done long time ago, but that is wrong and fake, Nongawuse, Mkabayi ka Jama and Manthathise did not use candles , that is a 419, so be careful what you advocate for, most of it is fake as it a tradition of the early 1900's Report Abuse
It is quite astonishing that people who are (supposedly) educated and have access to the internet are so superstitious. No wonder the ignorant and uneducated in the middle of nowhere are still burning humans alive for no good reason Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MommaC
WhatTheHack
1. this has nothing to do with Zuma
2. if I like it or not, he IS my president - that is how democracy works Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
your explanations of tradision and culture are good on the Western side but wen coming to African they are lost, iam sure you cant explain that in your own lingo.......the argument is not about the origin term of those words wer they come from.....in my own lingo i know wat tradision stand and wat culture stand there meaning SETSO LE NGWAO.......PPl must just stop taking google meaning as the final and correct answers Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Uncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, M0hlomi esta.bilshed a lead.ership ac@demy back in the d@ys and t0ok on y0ung ch1efs as app.rentises, one of his successful @pprentise was King Moshoeshoe, he tought pe0ple at that time that they was one God, Rama.sedi, also that the n@ture of man to follow in his he@rt is that of peace and love, Sob@ntu in his writting about the old sayings of the anci.ent on.ce he quotes Mohlomi's pr0verbs of the old B@ntu, Mor.ena ke morena ka mohau wa bat.ho" a king is a king because of the macy of his people", Moth0 ke mot.ho ka b@tho etc, this were sayings t0ught by M0hlomi to his pe0ple and to show c0nnectivity amongst people and eve.rything in n@ture, he t0ught the ch@in of conne.ctivity betw.een people and all things in n@ture, He coined the greating Kgotso le kg@nya hao @parele" May pe@ce and light be @pon you".... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
Winlen
There is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
100%tsonga
Uncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity
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because he is a zuluman from nkandla city Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
qalostos
those a*s are now tired of big mborozodovo's now u want muthi to solve the pain in the a*s fotsk mor*on nxa Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
the argument must not be based on the tangible things that wer used on those days because im sure the was something available that replaced cadles on those days not forgeting that we grow and develop as years goes, what is important is we used the same route with different things....
about those tradisional healers you are refering to asking candles it is not necessarily about the product called candles is about the purpose or intention of the aim cause they bring (KGANYA) i dont know wat it is in english but is something like lighter Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
1937
We at Orlando Pirates are not associated to witch-craft. Send this alien to Naturrena so that Jessica can babysit him Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Uncle-Lu
100%tsonga
Uncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity
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because he is a zuluman from nkandla city
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I mean do we really need to debate issues based on m0rons? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
your explanations of tradision and culture are good on the Western side but wen coming to African they are lost, iam sure you cant explain that in your own lingo.......the argument is not about the origin term of those words wer they come from.....in my own lingo i know wat tradision stand and wat culture stand there meaning SETSO LE NGWAO.......PPl must just stop taking google meaning as the final and correct answers
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T.C.T
Do you want to tell me that HIntsa , Shaka, Tulare, Sekhukhuni, Moshoesheo they once used candles? So if they did not, why do we use candles in our traditional ceremonies, who came with that rubbish that we now claim as what our ancestors want, so when will we use electricity for our ancestors, because candles are also strange to them, can you see the 419 I am talking about?
Setso/ isiko is not defined in western context it is defined in a human context, remember that Sobukwe said we belong to a human race, there this definition is identifiable to any race. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, M0hlomi esta.bilshed a lead.ership ac@demy back in the d@ys and t0ok on y0ung ch1efs as app.rentises, one of his successful @pprentise was King Moshoeshoe, he tought pe0ple at that time that they was one God, Rama.sedi, also that the n@ture of man to follow in his he@rt is that of peace and love, Sob@ntu in his writting about the old sayings of the anci.ent on.ce he quotes Mohlomi's pr0verbs of the old B@ntu, Mor.ena ke morena ka mohau wa bat.ho" a king is a king because of the macy of his people", Moth0 ke mot.ho ka b@tho etc, this were sayings t0ught by M0hlomi to his pe0ple and to show c0nnectivity amongst people and eve.rything in n@ture, he t0ught the ch@in of conne.ctivity betw.een people and all things in n@ture, He coined the greating Kgotso le kg@nya hao @parele" May pe@ce and light be @pon you"....
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naah man he did those i believe many other African chiefs were doing that ,is so significant it seems so general to me but i wil give him credit though its a first time i hear about him and i think comparing him to Shaka woulb be unfair Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Winlen
There is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period...
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precisely correct we share the same mental feeling on this particular comment,,,,,witch craft only exist to those who belief in it and practice it..........
if you dont mind me asking is Moshoeshoe e Motswana or Mosotho? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
100%tsonga
Uncle-Lu
100%tsonga
Uncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity
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because he is a zuluman from nkandla city
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I mean do we really need to debate issues based on m0rons?
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nah this moron must just go and jump to the nearest river, we dont need this kind of stories
sowetan must just shut up Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Do you want to tell me that HIntsa , Shaka, Tulare, Sekhukhuni, Moshoesheo they once used candles? So if they did not, why do we use candles in our traditional ceremonies, who came with that rubbish that we now claim as what our ancestors want, so when will we use electricity for our ancestors, because candles are also strange to them, can you see the 419 I am talking about?
Setso/ isiko is not defined in western context it is defined in a human context, remember that Sobukwe said we belong to a human race, there this definition is identifiable to any race.
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TCT is right why we cling so much to something we call our culture when it so much weakend and intruded by western influence, i believe everyone has a right to choose what works for him in a culture its not universal its individual Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Winlen
There is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period...
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precisely correct we share the same mental feeling on this particular comment,,,,,witch craft only exist to those who belief in it and practice it..........
if you dont mind me asking is Moshoeshoe e Motswana or Mosotho?
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Moshoesheo is a Sotho speaking King or was to be precise.
No we do share the same thinking, I said witch craft does not exist period, it is not there, it has not influence in anyone, you say it only exist to those who belief and practice it, my take is that those people who believe it are worse than a person who plays with a saliva, as the saliva is real when the witch craft is not. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
candle is not strange to them!!! LOBONE was available long before the creation of that product.i dont undersatand wat excatly are you trying to say..unless u are saying ppl at night stood on the dark waiting fo a miracle to happen? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
the argument must not be based on the tangible things that wer used on those days because im sure the was something available that replaced cadles on those days not forgeting that we grow and develop as years goes, what is important is we used the same route with different things....
about those tradisional healers you are refering to asking candles it is not necessarily about the product called candles is about the purpose or intention of the aim cause they bring (KGANYA) i dont know wat it is in english but is something like lighter
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That is very lame, why should one use candle KGANYA in a house that is already lit by bright electricity, that is very lame, with electricity there is enough kganya,mod you get the 419? It is fake what was used before the candles were there? If the candles are replacing then primitive light , then candles are now primitive they should be replaced by electricity. If our ancestors cannot see with the help of electricity then they are blind the candle will not light their way. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Moshoesheo is a Sotho speaking King or was to be precise.
No we do share the same thinking, I said witch craft does not exist period, it is not there, it has not influence in anyone, you say it only exist to those who belief and practice it, my take is that those people who believe it are worse than a person who plays with a saliva, as the saliva is real when the witch craft is not
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if he is Mosotho HOW come his father is a Motswana? Chief Mokhachana? ruling a Tswana tribe/clan of Bakwena? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "naah man he did those i believe many other African chiefs were doing that ,is so significant it seems so general to me but i wil give him credit though its a first time i hear about him and i think comparing him to Shaka woulb be unfair"
Which other chief did the same as Mohlomi, most chiefs at that time were absessed with keeping thier power and had not time to mentor or take on young chiefs as apprentises, Mohlomi forsaw a need to unit all Basotho tribes into one tribe, he passed on this concept and his knowladge to Moshoeshoe a d his other apprentesis. Note Moshoeshoe's grandfather was a decent of an old nguni tribe Hlubi, his great-grandfather was Mualle of the Hlubi, so yes to brash your Zulu ego Moshoeshoe has some Nguni in him. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
dont try to twist words,u said ancestors never new candles,why healers uses candles and i answered by saying they wanted KGANYA not necessarily candles as you wrongly assume....the intention was KGANYA in those rituals not CANDLES specifically and remember candles make KGANYA Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
candle is not strange to them!!! LOBONE was available long before the creation of that product.i dont undersatand wat excatly are you trying to say..unless u are saying ppl at night stood on the dark waiting fo a miracle to happen?
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I think I am too deep , you do not get my argument. You are agreeing with me that people in the past used lebone so the use of a candle signifies that the tradition and culture evolves, we do not use lebone today in our traditional ceremonies and culture, so after lebone we used candles and stopped using lebone in our traditional and cultural ceremonies, so today we have moved on, our traditional and cultural practices uses electricity to light the place, so we have evolved, so culture and tradition evolve it is not stagnant, thus my explaination of tradition and culture is true to Africans too.
To take this argument further, why have we moved away from lebone and yet we do not want to move on to the use of electricity in our cultural and traditional ceremonies? Why because we can still use lebone, so why move and stop with the candle when we have electricity? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
manu.menne
Dagg* is also a muti for horses. Give the man some muti Report Abuse
TCT
Like I said I am too deep for you to understand. My argument says exactly that: our ancestors never used candles, so why is it our tradition to use candles? You gave the answer, culture and tradition evolves, but you used different words that near the same thing, that we use candle instead of lebone, so by definition above of both tradition and culture is in agreement with what you are saying, so you were wrong to conclude that the definition was western, since we no longer use lebone but candles.
Now, I went a bit further by questioning the use of candles as we have electricity, for you to say people will stand in the dark if they do not use candles confuses name because candles are lit in an already bright house, with electric light , therefore it is you who is trying to change the topic, I have been consistent in my argument.
Candles are actually European pagan tools. The use of different colours and aromas were used as an offering or invocation of the various spirits. Whilst fire has always been seen to be an important part of belief systems, the use of candles is most synonymous with Celtic 'magic'. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
OK!!
about Moshoeshoe and his father who was a Motswana chief,how come Moshoeshoe became a Mosotho Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
I.n.c.o.g.n.i.t.o
"I need muthi," he said. "My face changes and other prisoners tend to dislike me when they see me changing.
My God!
This statement had me in stitches....Zulu or not - the guy is insane! Report Abuse
no muthi no nothing your face jst need i scripot qhaa kuphela Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@MommaC, I agree, also I think one thing people don't note about native traditions is they follow a similar structure, they involve the user of fire, water, earth, blood and animal tottems, sacrifies, symbols, rituals and a connection to spirits, the tachnic or methord used by each nation my differ but the principles are always the same, I once read about the Bon tradition of the Tibat which the tradition that was in Asia before they were introduced to buddahism, they also have a native believe like other humans throughout the world. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bumboklaat
Mara batho ba modimo?! Tlogelang go thlwa le kakelana mo le beng constructive! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
T.C.T
Moshoeshoe was the son of Mokhachane, a minor chief of the Bamokoteli sub-clan. He was born at Menkhoaneng in Leribe, Lesotho as Lepoqo. During his youth, he was very brave and once organised a cattle raid against Ramonaheng and captured several herds. As was the tradition, he composed a poem praising himself where, amongst the words he used to refer to himself, said he was "like a razor which has shaved all Ramonaheng's beards", referring to his successful raid. In Sesotho language, a razor makes a "shoe...shoe..." sound, and after that he was affectionately called Moshoeshoe: "the shaver". He also referred himself as the person of Kali, thus showed that he was a descendant of the Great Kali or Monaheng who is said to be the ancestor of most Bakoena people in Lesotho with the exception of the senior BaMolibeli.
Your version is different from historical records. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MommaC
Tabza325is
Ancient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
MommaC
Mzabalazo
Candles are actually European pagan tools. The use of different colours and aromas were used as an offering or invocation of the various spirits. Whilst fire has always been seen to be an important part of belief systems, the use of candles is most synonymous with Celtic 'magic'.
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Thanks for the input, beautifully said dear. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bumboklaat
@MommaC
Tabza325is
Ancient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar
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Thank you Momma, I have had this argument with a lot of people but they simply prefer to argue without facts( little knowledge is extremely dangerous) Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@MommaC," Ancient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar"
One of the similarities is made by Credo Motwa between African Sham.inism and Native American Shama.nism, he also goes to Australia and has a compaling comparism of thier sham.anism, some how the use of symbo.ls, fire, b..lood and other items of native spi.rtuality my di.ffer as a tech.nic but the principle behind them is the same amongst nativ.es world wide, look at astr.ology, they used defferent methords to abserve the stars but the knowladge system was the same, 12 constillat.ions around the s.un over lap.ing with 13 con.stillations after a given period in time, this is why across the world some nat.ives performed certain rit.uals at night based on certain period as recorded by abse.rving constillat.ions, n.atives across the world say one thing, that the sou.l take the form of part hu.man- part ani.mal, this is a believe of most na.tive people across the world and that the ani.mal form of hum.ans represent the pas.sion in us, that for.m with cannot con.cive in ima.ges but consive in em.otions, colour, sound and cons.ciousness, they are many simil.arities amongst na.tive systems across the world.
i see u did some quick quick googling from sister (gugu) and i dont blame your opinion lets correct the writing first from ur above comment is called BAKWENA not BAKOENA as the witter suggest,the clan the writter, which is also white forget to suggest that MOKHACHANE s name is MOKOTELI who was responsible for BAKWENA clan il advice you to do more research and have time to do it proper
that version you picked up from that writter is not producing enough info u need.... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
The origins of the Tswana tribes
In Botswana, about 1,000 years ago, large chiefdoms began to emerge in the area between Sowa Pan and the Tswapong Hills. Large settlements developed on hilltops. These people are known as the "Toutswe", after the first of their capitals, which was excavated on Toutswemogala Hill. Soon these communities were eclipsed by the Great Zimbabwe Empire, which spread its domain over much of eastern Botswana.
Around 1300 AD, peoples in present-day Transvaal began to coalesce into the linguistic and political groups they form today. This resulted in the emergence of three main groups: the Bakgalagadi, the Batswana and the Basotho, each of which had smaller divisions. Each group lived in small, loosely knit communities, spread widely over large areas of land. They spoke dialects of the same language and shared many cultural affinities.
Two central features of the history of the Batswana are fission and fusion. Groups of people broke off from their parent tribe and moved to new land, creating a new tribe and absorbing or subjugating the people they found there. This is how a single group of Batswana living in the Magaliesberg Mountains in northern Transvaal evolved into the numerous Tswana tribes, which exist today.
In 18th century further movements and split-ups of the Batswana resulted in the Tswana tribes which exist today: Bakhurutshe, Bangwato, Bakwena, Bangwaketse, Bakgatla, Batlhokwa, Barolong, Batlhaping and, much later, the Batawana.
The earlier farming inhabitants of Botswana - the Bakgalagadi - also split into several groups, namely the Bakgwateng, Babolaongwe, Bangologa, Baphaleng, Bashaga and many smaller groups. This then was how the Tswana tribes came to be living in Botswana as they were until about 200 years ago.
T.C.T
So if 3 groups separated in 1300 AD, therefore Mosheoshoe' s father was not a moTswana. It's just like saying king Lobengula of the amaNdebele of Zimbabwe was a Zulu just because his great- grandfather was King Shaka's lieutenant. So Mokhachane was a moSotho who can trace his ancestry to the baTswana , just as Lobengula could trace his ancestry to the Zulu tribe. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Cl!ck D!ck!
phela otlare go bolediwa dilo tse serious wena wano ny@ ka molomo Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Cl!ck-
@ Mzabalazo
I thought tswana's orignated from a mixture of a b0er and a sotho..
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@T.C.T. Do you see then why it is important to google for answers, or would you prefare Cl!ck-'s thoughts. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@MommaC
Tabza325is
Very true. Makes you wonder how the human race went from being so similar to being so divided.
I think at some point we all belonged to a proto-tribe or some proto-humans whom we all descent from, scientist say the first proto-humans or modern man appeared out of Africa some millions of years ago, this would mean at some point we must have had one knowladge system, which when we moved to other part of the world became fregmanted into the native systems we have today. Example read about the Igbo language, they is a group of scholars who believe that most of the languages around the world came from Igbo, it's a interesting read about how ancient language must have evolved out of one human language, which might emplie we must also had similar culture and tradition in the past, the research was done by Professor Catherine Acholonu, she point out similarities in words which have the same sound and the same meaning but from defferent languages as in Igbo..
just by looking at the spelling errors from your info i doubt what u presented is valid.....it dont show how excatly those clan started who was the parent.....
NTLO YA DIKGOSI kwa ga RRATSHIDI IN MAFIKENG NORTH WEST have all the info one may need and it is suprising is not the same as the one white ppl wrote? perheps attitude is more important than evidence created by strangers.....u are right rumors created by many confused writters is wrong
like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalozo
is good in some of the things not everything like majority do,,,click is just kidding arnd to mind him ul get use to his kind Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MicaParis
Batho ba modimo, mehlolo ga e fele! He is faking lunatic medical condition so that he can claim medical parole, this brother is a joke! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
The_Defector
I have to be granted permission to use muthi inside prison because failure to do so would result in my death."
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Yeah yeah SECOND death! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MommaC
Tabza325is
Language is one area that I keep meaning to look into but have never quite got around to it.
We know that the world was just one continent and that we all have a similar genetic marker so it would stand to reason that the only way for such a wide dispersal of a belief system to be in existence was that it came to be before we were all separated. That throws a bit of a spanner in their time line though. It would mean that language was far more advanced in ancient man than was believed and that we had a much more sophisticated social system than they thought.
If we assume that we had a far more sophysticated society back then, it could explain some of those strange findings (ancient batteries, the pyramids etc) but it leaves a big question about where that knowledge was lost Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalozo
just by looking at the spelling errors from your info i doubt what u presented is valid.....it dont show how excatly those clan started who was the parent.....
NTLO YA DIKGOSI kwa ga RRATSHIDI IN MAFIKENG NORTH WEST have all the info one may need and it is suprising is not the same as the one white ppl wrote? perheps attitude is more important than evidence created by strangers.....u are right rumors created by many confused writters is wrong
like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi
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You can mock me alright that does not bother me , but I have posted the evidence and it has no spelling errors, so why not focus on the googled evidence that has no error instead on attacking my spelling , trying to divert from facts. What I like you have got the message from my mispled posts, and I know you kind when the going gets tough you start attacking a person. I errors has been always there but you did not focus on them thinking that you were going to defeat this semi-illetarate girl, when you realize that she still standing then you use the old trick on the book.Just google the origin of baTswana and see if my research is flawed, do not worry about my spelling, play the ball if you can and not me. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
unfortunately with MOKHACHANE is totaly different from wat you are saying,he comes from a family of five brothers who are Batswanas.... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@T.C.T, "like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi'
Go to the Fre.e State and Lesotho, Batlhokoa, Barolong and Bakgatla are part of the Basotho nation, most of them speak Setwana and have managed to preserve it while assimulated into the Basotho nation, it's not a bad or negetive thing that Moshoeshoe has some tswana decent in him, you make it sound as if it to be Motswana is a do or die situation.
Very true. Makes you wonder how the human race went from being so similar to being so divided.
I think at some point we all belonged to a proto-tribe or some proto-humans whom we all descent from, scientist say the first proto-humans or modern man appeared out of Africa some millions of years ago, this would mean at some point we must have had one knowladge system, which when we moved to other part of the world became fregmanted into the native systems we have today. Example read about the Igbo language, they is a group of scholars who believe that most of the languages around the world came from Igbo, it's a interesting read about how ancient language must have evolved out of one human language, which might emplie we must also had similar culture and tradition in the past, the research was done by Professor Catherine Acholonu, she point out similarities in words which have the same sound and the same meaning but from defferent languages as in Igbo..
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To support for findings I remember watching a program in Discovery Channel , I think it was 2 year ago, this was about a conflict in the DRC, the guys who were interviewed we're speaking in their native language and the program was subtitled, what amazed me was that not only they were using some words similar to Nguni but had the same meaning when reading the sub-title( of course the sub-title was in English) it was very strange. What you say makes sense to me. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
MZABALAZO
Im not refering to you personally but the errors of the person who wrote that farytale story about BATSWANA history and its clans...bottom line is the so called evidence is not the valid one according to our knowleadge our HOUSE OF CHIEFS facts is DISAGREEING with what the strangers wrote..only relevent BATSWANA ppl are qualified to raise and correct wat they blv is right.....dnt try to twist my words plssss lets talk without allowing emotions control us......NOT all of depend on google fo information especially the correct one Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@MommaC," If we assume that we had a far more sophysticated society back then, it could explain some of those strange findings (ancient batteries, the pyramids etc) but it leaves a big question about where that knowledge was lost"
I think the knowladge was lost when certain men in society of that time decided they were the custodiance of knowladge at that time, example look at Egypt what we are learning in high school today back in the day it kept to royal families and influancial families in those societies, common man liky you and I were not allowed to learn or read or write, the Priest hood of this world were the once who kept most of the knowladge away from common man as such appeared to be mysteries to us, science, math, geomatry etc appeared to be mysterious to common man and made the priest and leaders at that time to appear to be more advance and God like to the common men. The same as archeologist are able to discover ancient ruins, ancient people also were able to find ancient ruins which today we can trace or have eroded, meaning something from 20 000 years ago could have been discovered by a person that lived 5000 years ago, this is why knowladge appears to be fragmented and incomplete, today scientist discovere things from 3000 years ago and non of them are being published or tought in school, most discoveries remain unknown to us commin people.
is the impression you are getting,BUT bottom line is TSWANA is the father of those lingos,,before MOSHOESHOE who do you know?before SEKHUKHUNE who do you know? im glad we managed to grow like this Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@T.C.T, "like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi'
Go to the Fre.e State and Lesotho, Batlhokoa, Barolong and Bakgatla are part of the Basotho nation, most of them speak Setwana and have managed to preserve it while assimulated into the Basotho nation, it's not a bad or negetive thing that Moshoeshoe has some tswana decent in him, you make it sound as if it to be Motswana is a do or die situation.
@ Tabza325is one been a descendant of baTswana and been a Motswana is two different things. T.C.T does not say they are descendants of... But he says they are baTswana, then it is just like saying Afrikaner people are Dutch, or baShangani are amaZulu, or amaBhaca are amaZulu,. T.C.T is stripping the baSotho identity and ignores the generation gap between 1300AD and the early 1800s when Moshoesheo became a ruler. We can as well as say the abaSotho and amaNguni are not abaSotho and amaNGuni because they were once one group speaking the same language and sharing the same tradition, which was later labelled by Europeans as "Ba#ntu" who migrated from Central Africa ( I do realize that group's ancestors originated in South African , where the oldest fossils of that bridges the gap between the Austraphicues and homo sapiens was found). So the claim of T.C.T. Is ridiculous, it tries to deny the independence of the Basotho as a separate people. In short I am my mother's daughter not my mothers, so is the Basotho they are not BaTswana but their descendants. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
HoneyB
But why would someone with a psychiatric problem be allowed western medication in prison and this man not allowed African herbs? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
MommaC
Tabza325is
Good hypothesis. It would make the knowledge a lot easier to destroy if it was held by a select few who lived in close proximity to one another (one nasty bout of flu could do it) and the priesthood is renowned for using their position to keep knowledge from the commoners.
A lot of the old knowledge was lost due to Christianity as well. The burning of books (so delightfully common in the middle east at the moment) and the persecution of anyone who used the old ways, destroyed much of the knowledge. Even common herb lore was largely lost. You'd have an outbreak of measles and the local herb lady would be accused of witchcraft by the preacher and burned to death. Made being a herbalist a dangerous job and not one to pass on to the daughters. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
U ARE CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT ND URSELF......U CANT ARGUE WTH THE TRUETH WEN U TALK ABT CLANS ASK URSELF WHO WER DE LEADERS ND WER DO THEY CUM FRM UL BE SURPRISED Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Bebesocs
These are the pieces of sh..i..t that go around deceiving people and these are looneys who deceive people to rape children so that they cure AIDS, these are wankers who dececrate grave, that man is a looney. This prick must be jailed Report Abuse
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hello our lovie! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
WordofGod
@Bumboklaat
Mara batho ba modimo?! Tlogelang go thlwa le kakelana mo le beng constructive!
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Oct 17, 2012
DeOvi
mara this "Mgqumeni'' guy looks like Cl!cks Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@T.C.T
Tabza325is
is the impression you are getting,BUT bottom line is TSWANA is the father of those lingos,,before MOSHOESHOE who do you know?before SEKHUKHUNE who do you know? im glad we managed to grow like this
In my comment I don't argue which is the root language I'm pointing out we all decent from common origins, our language as South Africans have common origin, Sotho, Zulu, Tswana( Ho'bona, U'gbona, Go'bona) you say tomato I say Toma'to, it's a split dialag with similar origins, Go to Kenya and listen to Swahili it has similar words and mean the same in our language, like I said it's not a do or die situation if you descent from Batswana. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
HoneyB
SWEETYK
@ ALL
GOOD AFTERNOON MY LOVIES.
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GOOD AFTERNOON MY LOVIES.
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Hello my lovie how are you doing?
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im good my lovie; how is your day? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
@ HoneyB
Boring my love cause my friends are not here (not blogging). Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
U ARE CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT ND URSELF......U CANT ARGUE WTH THE TRUETH WEN U TALK ABT CLANS ASK URSELF WHO WER DE LEADERS ND WER DO THEY CUM FRM UL BE SURPRISED
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I am not confusing anything my argument is clear, Moshoesheo is not MoTswana and has never been. 1300AD , 3 groups separated, Those groups are Bakgalagadi,Batswana and Basotho. Secondly the Basotho are a separate nation , just as amaNdebele are not amaZulu, been a descend of a certain tribe does not make you that tribe, that is not confusing. Your problem you T.C.T. To tend to get stuck on one thing, just as got stuck on candles on the other topic , you just got excited that Basotho are descendants of BaTswana, thn you got stuck on that , you cannot move on, a product of something is not that something, in the making of the Basotho nation some of the tribes in the Free state were not Tswana speakers thus seTswana is different to Sesotho. Same as the MaSwati, they are a mixture of abeSotho and amaZulu therefore they are not either group, same amaHlubi they are from two groups amaXhosa and abeSotho therefore they are none of the two two groups but their descendants. I can go on and on unfortunately you will not get it, you get only get my misspellings. Though luck the evidence is infront of you. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
Eish mare this guy le yena, he gambled with his life mooesss moo. Batho ba ga batshwane more especially picture 3 and 4. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
paracute
Guys please! who is this Mongol, trying to take King Shaka' s popularity?
to hell with this person can't you all see this man is not well upstairs Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Tabza325is
@T.C.T
Tabza325is
In my comment I don't argue which is the root language I'm pointing out we all decent from common origins, our language as South Africans have common origin, Sotho, Zulu, Tswana( Ho'bona, U'gbona, Go'bona) you say tomato I say Toma'to, it's a split dialag with similar origins, Go to Kenya and listen to Swahili it has similar words and mean the same in our language, like I said it's not a do or die situation if you descent from Batswana.
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I agree with you, for example we all use wena and we write the same way. That is why I do not understand when people uphold their tribe above others, take for instance I am a Zulu speaker, I never I dentify myself as umZulu, not because I am ashamed of my origin but because the tribe is a remnant of a bigger thing, and find that if one is tribal, tribalism holds them back. I believe in Sobukwe' s theory the we all belong to a human race, and it's cradle is South Africa, before our ancestors left the central Africa to the Southern Africa, their ancestors ones lived in South Africa where oldest fossils were found. Therefore all people were once one, we do not know when and how exactly the Sotho speakers separated from the Nguni but we know for sure that they were one, so why do we just claim one group as if we own it and try to nullify its identity as if it's existence is so different from ours, it's origin is different from ours? Ngunis and Sotho speakers are one, they are separated by history just as Basotho and Batswana are one but separated by history, but that doesn't give us the right try and make one group insignificant by distorting its history as a people just because we know it's origin.
Thanks, as always your posts are quite refereshing. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Cl!ck-
@ DeOvi
You are a true Khoisan lady.. What can I get for you on your 21st birthday?.. A bow & arrow made from Impala skin??
Origin of Batswana from the Botswana website not white people. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
SWEETYK
@ ALL
GOOD AFTERNOON MY LOVIES.
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Hala my frend, how are you mara? hayi frend, dont disappear like this maan. I nearly committed suicide my frend. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
SWEETYK
Eish mare this guy le yena, he gambled with his life mooesss moo. Batho ba ga batshwane more especially picture 3 and 4.
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Say it again my frend, there is no similarity at all, there is a wife who even slept with the fake one and claimed it was him.Cabanga frend not knowing HUSBY and claim some man is Him. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Sneijder
@Skopie
Hi babygirl
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@SweetyK
Where have u been hiding Skopo was aking about you everyday... Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
Sneijder
@Skopie
Hi babygirl
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Hey lov, how are you? I missed you too!! Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
Skopokopo
SWEETYK
@ ALL
GOOD AFTERNOON MY LOVIES.
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Hala my frend, how are you mara? hayi frend, dont disappear like this maan. I nearly committed suicide my frend.
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Iyooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my chomie,frendo,Lala,lovies,darling Iyooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm do happy eish Skopokopo frendo u've made my day. Love you my french. I'm very much sorry Lala. Ke teng my chom wena? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Sneijder
@Skopo
O nale maka you always in the office le at @Speke...but i missed you too Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
Sneijder
@Skopie
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@SweetyK
Where have u been hiding Skopo was aking about you everyday...
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Hello my lovies, eish mathata a stegeniekie, I'm back now.
I actually dreamt of mqgumeni last night *wiered* Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Sneijder
@SweetyK
I am glad o grand...ke rata lingo ya gago grand grand o mo tlhobo mang? Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
SWEETYK
Skopokopo
SWEETYK
Eish mare this guy le yena, he gambled with his life mooesss moo. Batho ba ga batshwane more especially picture 3 and 4.
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Say it again my frend, there is no similarity at all, there is a wife who even slept with the fake one and claimed it was him.Cabanga frend not knowing HUSBY and claim some man is Him.
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Iyah frendo where is she vele yena? She was an infuriated girlfriend Lala. Cabanga Lala ke tshwantsha HUSBY le Nongoloza. lol Report Abuse
O teng mo!!! lasttime KG000 was looking for you o tshabile le Click for the whole week Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
Mzabalazo
Dont try to deviate from the issue by including the argument of candle cause i just chose to ignore it because you wer confusing and forcing your opinion to something u have no idea of.
YOU are even more confusing wen you talk about BAKGALAGADI,BATSWANA,BASOTHO ...BATSWANA is the umbrella of all those clans u wrote,Bakgalagadi ,Bakwena,Barolong,Bahurutshe etc those are the small clans that spk Setswana lingo and they have there own chiefs who spk the LINGO of Setswana JUST like Mokhachane who led BAKWENA clan that came from chief MOHURUTSHE,,,and KWENA decided to open his own clan under his name and called that tribe BAKWENA,,,we have BAKWENA ba ga MOGOPA etc......KWENA is the big BROTHER OF MOKACHANE ,moshoeshoe s father. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
Sneijder
@Skopo
O nale maka you always in the office le at @Speke...but i missed you too
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You lie maan, i tried coming to you and i was turned back maan Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Galfrend
Sneidjer how are you? I didnt know KG ws looking for me, say hie to him if u see him. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
Galfrend
sweety n skopo - nisharp ladies?
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Im fine thanks, how did you write my frend, hope all went well!! Report Abuse
A descendant does not mean one belongs to the tribe the tribe the come from, it means that one has branched or is a product of. If you are saying Basotho are abeTswana then you might as well say amaNdebele ngamaZulu and ama Afri#kaner ngama D-#utch, which cannot be true. At times one must agree to disagree...
Thanks for the conversation I enjoyed it no punt intended Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Sneijder
@Skopo
When lasttime did you see me on here...cos since o shapa ka boom that day o bona @Speke i have never been here..just watching from a distance Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Skopokopo
Sneijder
@Skopo
When lasttime did you see me on here...cos since o shapa ka boom that day o bona @Speke i have never been here..just watching from a distance
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I called upon you lala, i dont remember the day. Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
Sneijder
Ooh!!! i am lala now when he comes up here you will be gone with him...so whe are you inviting me to the office then *Sweetsugar* Report Abuse
Oct 17, 2012
T.C.T
MZABALAZO
my argument is clear Chief Mkoteli Mokhachane was born from a TSWANA tribe under BAKWENA clan and he became a chief of that particular clan,PARENTS of Mokhachane spoke pure fluent SETSWANA not ENGLISH,AFRIKAANS or NDEBEL etc obviously wen he gave birth to MOSHOESHOE he was still a MOTSWNA not wat you are claiming.. weda you are denying this thats not the point,but the trueth cant be challenged unfortunatly...and im still repeating that MOSHOESHOE come from BATSWANA including BAPEDI ...this two tribes are our children and they know that in there hearts...allow urself a time to research a little bit fo ur own sake. Report Abuse
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!!!Sinudeity!!!
"My face changes and other prisoners tend to dislike me when they see me changing."Oxy-10 bru, gets rid of pimples fast.
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guiliano
Everyone is free to use muti anywhere even kaizer chiefs uses it.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
Mothaka owagafa!!!!Nxa!!!!!Report Abuse
asaowe
as if other tribes dnt use muthi, stop tribalism ppl.Report Abuse
Pointman
This mampara dont know when to shut up. Enough of these antics - he should just do his time now.Report Abuse
tpaz
he should not be in jail.......Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Please give him chance to utilize the muthi his face transformation can only be healed by traditionally.Report Abuse
Mosquer
You need Jesus Christ, seriouslyReport Abuse
JahNeh
@mypot & warryYou sub-species stop trying to elevate yourselves on our expense.
The guy is just mentally unstable, I'm sure you do have those in other tribes!
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Shredder
@tpazhe should not be in jail.......
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Morning tpaz.
This guy is not well upstairs. He is not supposed to be in jail.
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MyPot
JahNehAdmit, maybe is your biltongs, you should cut them, maybe you will be ok who knows..
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QONDI
Not this sh####t again,this guy is a piece of work.Report Abuse
oneJay
@MosquerYou need Jesus Christ, seriously
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TRUE THAT...IM TAKING MY HATZ OFF GOOD COMMENT
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Tobby
shame this one is sick he really need Jesus christ and a strong prayer.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Why is this man not in a mental institution, I mean its obvious authi e ke s'tsenwa.Report Abuse
2shy2call
AMBI is thee way to go.Report Abuse
Mmokwepa
I wish they take him to woman cellReport Abuse
MGEEZ
Come on now sowetan, why the heck is this news????Report Abuse
Eraser
hahahahaha not this one again...this one wa hafa..Report Abuse
oldlady12
had it only been for the impersonating charges, I would have believed that the man is mentally ill. However, there are some serious charges here too such as rape, so I think this is a build up to medical parole due to mental illness.Report Abuse
Mosquer
ke moloiReport Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
oldlady12had it only been for the impersonating charges, I would have believed that the man is mentally ill. However, there are some serious charges here too such as rape, so I think this is a build up to medical parole due to mental illness
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but is becoming clear each and every dar that this is mentally unstable
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RobinH
What's with this absurd anti-zulu rubbish, people? Is simple racism not enough for you, that you must still get into "tribal" division?This guy is a complete lunatic. Displays all the characteristics of classic schizophrenia. None of the "visions" nonsense. The man is hallucinating.
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MGEEZ
@Mapholobakay1@my pot
We represent almost a half of the population. You should move out of Mzansi. Lelizwe elethu
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What is you point with the statement above?
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VENDALIOUS
no commentReport Abuse
mphephethwane
some of you should be taken to a traditional healer, because your blogs/comments are stupid...as for this "mgqumeni" fellow, perhaps he should be returned to the cave whence he came.Report Abuse
RobinH
Nyongoyamavenda: Thankyou Sir. Much appreciated. This disease of hating anything "other" is going to drag this lovely country into the gutter even further. I don't understand how people don't see this.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Mapholobakay1@myPot
There is no statement here, these are facts. Yes we are taxi drivers BUT we are also academics, sportmen, celebrities, politicians, you name it.
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true as if being a taxi equal being a witch it is a legal way of making income its better than riding on a donkey
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Mamlambo
nxa. people can be so du.mb. Times are moving foward chief. forget superstitious nonsense.Report Abuse
oldlady12
RobinH and Nyongoyamavenda, i don't know if I buy his looney act. Loonies would see things and imagine things, and maybe even take something that does not belong to them, thus leading to theft charges, but I don't believe going looney would all of a sudden make you a rapis.t. You're either the violent type of looney, or the been to heaven and now I'm back in another body type of looney. I'd like to know more about the rape charges before I can make up my mind about him.Report Abuse
zuluchick
as blacks can we realy mock this man? i do not believe in witchcraft but has been drilled into me all my life and im saved by my religious beliefs but again as blacks knowing very well how close to home this topic is can we realy comment in a mockery sense???Report Abuse
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Instead of saying you want a bible or the Quran, you want traditional medicine.....bariReport Abuse
KGS000
Mgqumeni aka Changing faces, He ain't well upstairsReport Abuse
Flemza
Just let the prophet has his muti whats wrong with that, its not poisonReport Abuse
oldlady12
RobinH, good for you for taking on this tribalism nonsense. As if it wasn't enough that people were classified by the apartheid governments, they now go classify each other.Report Abuse
T.C.T
@ALLI do applaude this man for not being embarrased or ashamed to use AFRICAN medication or herbs it is his democratical right and duty to ask what can heal him and we dont have that right to judge him rather judge our culture and tradition as whole.HOWEVER im so disappointed to those MODEL C;s and SNOBS who act as if they are whi.te and better than this man...the less i spk about SINUIDITY ppl the better reason being is there understanding about herbs is limited and they only know herbs through newspapers and tv
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Nyongoyamavenda
MyPot@Nyongoyamazulu
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wa gafa, is your name promoting unity, until you cut your biltongs we will not keep quite about scary zulus.
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yes you are like a babooon that has released forest and attempt made to make it act human but it always resort bushy ways cos that is the only it knows,we certainly will do much without your love
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Mbeki_2
Stop tribalism - stop tradition weapons. If Zulu did not have a spear and stick it in the guy's face, he would be alive today. Carry your weapons in the rural - why in the cities.???? Cities are NOT traditionalReport Abuse
THEmadame2B-BBEE
@Flemzawhat its not poison? Jy praat tweak......so you also you drink urine mixed with shiet, and blood and don't even know where it comes from and you do not call that poison
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RobinH
Flemza: Prophet???? Oh my. Another lunatic. Lithium anybody?Oldlady: Thanks. It has become so prevalent here that I feel quite sick every day when I open these pages. I am making it one of my little private missions to drag out this disgusting fear of otherness when I see it, and expose it for the sheer madness that it is.
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MyPot
witchcraft is found everywhere in africa and elsewhere, even tswanas and zulus, vendas and xanganas do it, only robinh who robed our minerals can make fun of us, i worked in kzn for one year, we used to reject food from coleagues afraid of such strange things which was happening there..Report Abuse
Mosquer
THEmadame2B-BBEEInstead of saying you want a bible or the Quran, you want traditional medicine.....bari
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Quaran????
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Winilen
Some people here are stup.id you know... how did this story become about Zulus mxm!!! Stop being fcuking rastistReport Abuse
BoombaWaBicycle
Uyanya wena mypot you are as crazy as this guy..........Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
oldlady12RobinH and Nyongoyamavenda, i don't know if I buy his looney act. Loonies would see things and imagine things, and maybe even take something that does not belong to them, thus leading to theft charges, but I don't believe going looney would all of a sudden make you a rapis.t. You're either the violent type of looney, or the been to heaven and now I'm back in another body type of looney. I'd like to know more about the rape charges before I can make up my mind about him.
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i dont know about his rape case but i belive i have heared of a case of mental unstable person commiting rape and murder
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Blackstone.lebs
But his plea was turned down by the court, with Magistrate Mogwera telling him that she had no jurisdiction over prisons.++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I hope he was referred to someone who has jurisdiction over prisons. Thief/kidnapper/rapist/fraudster or not, i think his request should be granted. Criminals are well taken care of anyway.
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Dieheart
Halelujah!!!Report Abuse
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Mosquer......quran...yes, is there something wrong with reading the quran..Report Abuse
Bumnandibungaphansikwesdwaba
ITS SAD TO SEE MGQUMENI'S NAME BEING DRAGGED TO THE MUD LIKE THIS, MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PEACE, I WILL ALWAYS MISS YOU MASHOBANE, THIS IDIOT (GCABASHE) MUST ROT IN JAIL. MGQUMENI WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE KING OF MASKANDI MUSIC. HAMBA BHOVA LIDIKADIKA, SIYOHLALA SIKUKHUMBULAReport Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MyPotwitchcraft is found everywhere in africa and elsewhere, even tswanas and zulus, vendas and xanganas do it, only robinh who robed our minerals can make fun of us, i worked in kzn for one year, we used to reject food from coleagues afraid of such strange things which was happening there..
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yes it hapen throughout the world is not the same but the intensity differs in other ares like Limpopo and southern Zim it is more intense and that is a fact, dont lie you have never worked in kzn ,tel me where
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MsHollyHerb
MyPotWarry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa, there is a saying that, if a Zulu passes infront of you while you are going somewhere, its a bad luck....therefore you should go back before you experience a hell on earth.
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Zulus are just bad luck in your A**ss WENANJA, and to all those u talk bad of Zulu shame ninenkinga, why else people always attack Zulus , zulus think they clever zulu this zulu that, iyodwa vo indaba jelous ninomona ngamazulu, nifisa ngabe ningamaZulu self, well hard luck u will never be one, NX niyacika str8,
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WordofGod
heheheReport Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MsHollyHerbMyPot
Warry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa, there is a saying that, if a Zulu passes infront of you while you are going somewhere, its a bad luck....therefore you should go back before you experience a hell on earth.
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Zulus are just bad luck in your A**ss WENANJA, and to all those u talk bad of Zulu shame ninenkinga, why else people always attack Zulus , zulus think they clever zulu this zulu that, iyodwa vo indaba jelous ninomona ngamazulu, nifisa ngabe ningamaZulu self, well hard luck u will never be one, NX niyacika str8,
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zulu have achived so much in the past and continue to do so ,just look how Zulu langauge is used extensivel on commercial adverts and thats what is irking other tribes especialy those from limpopo,instead of celebrating an African succes and imitate its succes they get jelous and resort this witching mentality, when you are called black dont allow your mind to think black
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RobinH
MyPot: With respect, Sir, I have never "robed" a mineral in my life, and I believe that I demonstrate a great deal more tolerance in good sense than you seem capable of. Please take your paranoid incapacity and stick it where it belongs.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
He had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.========
I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law
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somaartakeit
P.M.S. LOL now I thought I heard it all, these muthi freaks are taking things to a whole new level of ridiculousness, couldn't even finished reading the article first para I was like what? is this for real? thanks Sowetan for providing us with so much laughter so early in the morning, now can we please get to the real stuff, instead of this hoola boola stuff?Report Abuse
5SKIPAZ
@Sowetanyou still follow this 'celeb'' all the way to the prison, we are sick and tired mann
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Tlakenyobehle!
umshini wam shini wam chorus lets singumshini wam shini wam
umshini wam shini wam
umshini wam shini wam
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somaartakeit
PointmanThis mampara dont know when to shut up. Enough of these antics - he should just do his time now.
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perhaps this is for entertainment reasons, cause seriously no one should take this serious, I thought the dude if he really said the things Sowetan allege he said, then he is should try stand up comedy and entertain prison warders and prisoners alike, lol
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Nyongoyamavenda
malemaforpresidentHe had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.
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I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law
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your blog name says it you deserv no response,this is not bush so we dont know the langauge you speak
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WarrenG
He should be in solitary confinementReport Abuse
Mosquer
Ayeye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Report Abuse
madimetsha
This guy is playing and he thinks everyone else is.........1st he claims to be someone else, and now he wants to use muthi in prison...................why did he not use the muthi so cannot be caught.....???? idiotsReport Abuse
Tabza325is
If witchcraft still exist among us, why is they no one in South Africa doing research on it, if found then why are we not publishing books on how it works, if Africans still have dominion over nature, power to control forces of nature then this technic should be known, one thing I respect about Zulu people is they still have Sanuzi who are rich in African mystery knowladge, some of them still can speak the old Sinzu language of our ancestors, Baba Credo Motwa is one of those Sanuzi. And yes Zulu men can be Danda-heads....Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
malemaforpresidentHe had spun a yarn that he had been held captive in a cave by a traditional healer who wanted to turn him into a zombie.
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I have never seen a stupid tribe like Zoolus i would even withdraw if i was his lawyer how do you represent a zombie in a court of law
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for you its raely a case of baboooons laughing each other
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somaartakeit
And in the meantime, and in the real world, the president is refusing to have a long overdue national debate on the country's economy, maybe he is waiting for muti to help debate with Queen Zille, lol anyway if at some stage they do grant DA long overdue debate on economy, please Helen may you please not wear a kanga to the debate.../ Shem I can't take zuma and mgqumeni serious they are sides of a same coin freaking clowns.Report Abuse
McKena
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DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this. It was their only strategy to create a disunity of the black people who are a majority in this country. This would inturn give them a chance to win elections should we get democratic. Our parents were brainwashed and trained by white people to hate each other based on tribes. You people have inherited it. You are stupid...Report Abuse
Mosquer
@Tabza325isIs there any books on how to appease ancestors?
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Catswhiskers
Shame.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@DJ-WinnerRacists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol
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Tabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes...Report Abuse
Tlakenyobehle!
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T.C.T
Mosquer@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
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Older generation and chiefs including traditional healers is our books!!!! unfortunatly we dont need a book to teach us our own culture,,,is the a book that shows you how to take a sh.it?
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Mzabalazo
Which craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs
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Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit@DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol
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i told you yesterday tha you are brainwashed ,now its you say its right to be tribaliist ,ya here the man in crisis
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somaartakeit
@Nyongoyamavenda and I told you that you are a brainless caveman.Report Abuse
RobinH
Mzabalazo: BEAUTIFULLY STATED. AN admirable, progressive view of the world.Report Abuse
Lehido
This guy is a wack-jobReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mzabalazo, wena you should be a president of Africa, that way we can already start moving forward instead of being stagnated in outdated beliefs, you go girl!!!Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day
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@Mosquer@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
That's my point we don't have research on rituals of our people, our knowladge system has faded into superstition and yet we still hear reports of ord things still happening out there. Listen to a Sanusi like Credo Motwa talk you will realise they is more to our mystery system than just superstition, certain mental principles and foculties of man are still tought amongst a group of initiates, not all traditional healers or sangomas and even witchs are tought this knowladge, Baba Credo acknowladges this selective passing of knowladge amongst Sanuzi adept.
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JahNeh
So many unintelligent comments from some of the bloggers.I'd really like to meet some of you in person sometime, I just pray that none of you are in my circle of friends, colleagues or family.
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steffie
So that it can help you to become invisible and escape, sis! You should be ashamed of yourselfReport Abuse
Ngiyaphapha
Pale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision.....Report Abuse
T.C.T
Tabza325isbut they escalated the situation to be beyond control and turned us into enemies,wen they took land from ada trinbes by helping certain clans to over power those who had a commisial land that can produce lot of food for there cattles etc....YES disagreements wer de but collevctive agreements wer also de.
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malemaforpresident
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You tjatjaraag dude wa phapha tsheek
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Serobapipi-
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Nyongoyamavenda
MzabalazoWhich craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.
Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs
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witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful
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NyongoyamavendaTabza325is
@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only....
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stop being so delusional all the time, Shaka was a vicious deranged psychopath, if at the time in African we had psychiatrists to analyse that guy he'd have been locked up in a mental institution, as not only was he a danger to h imself he was a danger to those around him,
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mosquer
@Tabza325is
Is there any books on how to appease ancestors?
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Older generation and chiefs including traditional healers is our books!!!! unfortunatly we dont need a book to teach us our own culture,,,is the a book that shows you how to take a sh.i.t
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@T.C.T did you know that traditional healing and witch craft are not a monopoly of Africans, whites used to partake on such beliefs and not only whites nmany nationalities in the dark ages used to do and believe in a similar way that we identify as our own culture.
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somaartakeit
@JahNehSo many unintelligent comments from some of the bloggers.
I'd really like to meet some of you in person sometime, I just pray that none of you are in my circle of friends, colleagues or family.
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is that the only place you are able to meet us? you must a be a prisoner then? lol how is the hunger strike going?
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Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda"Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day"
You see war is not the way to unite people, Moshoeshoe archived unity and formed the Basotho nation through peace....
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Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit@Mzabalazo, wena you should be a president of Africa, that way we can already start moving forward instead of being stagnated in outdated beliefs, you go girl!!!
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and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012somaartakeit
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Tabza325is
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Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only....
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stop being so delusional all the time, Shaka was a vicious deranged psychopath, if at the time in African we had psychiatrists to analyse that guy he'd have been locked up in a mental institution, as not only was he a danger to h imself he was a danger to those around him,
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Lol. I thought I was the only one who calls a spade a spade, lol.
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MyPot
Durban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians.Report Abuse
Mamlambo
NgiyaphaphaPale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision.....
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Yes, tribalism is the same as racism, and as long as we let tribalism have a place, we are showing that we are as bad as any racism displayed by our pale friends.
Stop blaming others for your problems.
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RobinH
Ngiyaphapha: "Pale people were sent to african soil by the European Empires as a colony. Their agenda is to destroy African morals, values and beliefs, so tribalism propagates their vision....." WHAT ABSOLUTE RACIST RUBBISH! If tribalism "propagates their vision" then why are you being so divisive?Report Abuse
T.C.T
MzabalazoWhich craft is still practice? Witch craft is no craft at all, but just superstious beliefs. Europeans too onced thought it was a craft and could make people suffer, later they abandoned it as they realized that it was worse than playing with saliva.
Good question you people need to ask yourselves, how did Africa get colonized and Africans converted slaves and servant when they were experts in witch craft ?
Why Mugabe, can remain in power when there is such a great art that can be used to remove him?
Why are African governments are still beggers in the world, when they own such rich natural resources and witch craft?
Think people? Don't just recycle stale beliefs
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Maybe the right and correct qtion you need to ask yourself first is what is the meaning of witch craft?how is it working? is it practised by those who practice culture? those who attend church dont they practice wichcraft?........my knowleadge is all ppl can commit witch craft, with herbs or not.....based on some comments here ppl real dont understand witch craft they cant even pin point or validatre or invalidate that witch craft all im seeing is wrong knowleadge that has been influenced by those who failed to learn AFRICAN CULTURE
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JahNeh
@somaartakeitis that the only place you are able to meet us?
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Bravo; what an intelligent comment!
BTW; by "us" do you mean the "unintelligent" bloggers?
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Lendy
@ Warry & @ MypotNIDAKIWE
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RobinH
Nyongoyamavenda: "and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head" Hmmm. Looks as though Mgqumeni isn't the only lunatic around.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is@Nyongoyamavenda
"Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule in Africa unfortunately in those it was the only way it was done just like Napoleon did it in Europe, yes National Party regime formalised racism and made laws regarding it thats we stil have people stucked to it this day"
You see war is not the way to unite people, Moshoeshoe archived unity and formed the Basotho nation through peace....
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Moshoeshoe initial aim was to protect himself from shaka so he recruited the tribes running awy from Shaka wich is natural in time of war but Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule, imagine if whites find such a large kingdom wht was their chance of deafetin us. you know in the past people were dependant on conquest and mighty of their armies wich is stil prevalent today who can stop America on its way
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DJ-Winner
Tabza325is@DJ-Winner, Winner lets not blame apartheit and white people for something we have been doing long before white people landed on this continent, No white man force Shaka to wage a war against sorounding tribes, remember out of those tribes he invaded he made enemies, tribalism was there before Europeans landed in Africa, politics and disagreements were always found amongst chiefs and between tribes...
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Aparteid regime and colonists created zones, now provinces and people of different tribes we not allowed to move out of those zones to interact. That we in this day we still struggling to even understand each other languages. It is an embarrassment really that we communicate in English in this country...
Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why....
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somaartakeit
@Mzabalazo its called independent thinking and analysing information not just sucking in everything being told to you, you know for a long time many believed that God live in the sky, even today some tell their children to not point direction of the sky cause that is considered to be disrespectiful to God, anyway in Nigeria they have a culture where a new bride may not eat a chicken gizzard when serving chicken, if she does her whole family is accused of being dishonorable, I mean what is a chicken gizzard to use to concl honour or dishonor of a family, some of our guys are a coocoos if you ask me, and sooner we all work hard against this hookas pookas beliefs the sooner we can already move forward and catch up with the rest of the world.BTW Ch!nese still do practice traditional healing, only diffs with rest of other traditionalists is that their methods are SCIENTIFICALLY been proven to work, eg Shiatsu, Acupuncture and some traditional medicines, that is now taking the west by storm, but Ch!nese proved their case beyond reasonable dout, hence this practice is respected in the world,
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful
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There we go again, making funny comments, did you just ponder before you answered?
Are you trying to tell me that Mugabe is the child of God? I am not saying he is not but I want to know if you are just saying things or responding to my question.
Do you want to tell me that the Europeans who made Africans slaves were children of God? I am asking this because witch craft did not work on them and if we uses your reasoning it leads us to that conclusion there you will also be meaning that God was very supportive of slavery since it was his children who were enslaving Africans, is that where you are leading this debate?
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DJ-Winner
somaartakeit@DJ-Winner
Racists and aparteid regime is very proud of itself today if it sees black people tribalised like this.
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judging by this comment I concl you must be a siamese twin of mgqumeni? you are both hilarious actually lol
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Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid
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The_Only_1
The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa does allow people to practice their cultural beliefs. This right is prescribed in the Bill of Rights which is the cornerstone of our Constitution. The Laws and the Judiciary system of the Republic also recognises Traditional Courts and these courts have legal powers to take decisions. Then why this Plea/Case be not uplifted to Traditional Courts as these courts use cultural beliefs in solving certain matters or maybe these courts are just there to blush Black people but are not regarded as Legal as Westernised Courts (Reginal Courts and High Courts)? Witchraft doesc exist in South Africa and even White Peolple practice it behind closed doors. There is a possibility that this Mgqumeni might be telling the truth however it has also to be realised that once you are arrested you loose certain rights - in this regard he has lost his right to practice his cultural belief of using Traditional Herbs or Umuthi. I personally do not see anything wrong for his Plea to be considered once he has been charged by a Judge as part of reharbilitating him thruogh his belief system. Our tax money can also buy traditional herbs as much as it buys Disprins and Panados for Prisoners.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
RobinHNyongoyamavenda: "and you shoul be a pastor in a devil worshiping church conducting conducting your deceit services with one horn on your head" Hmmm. Looks as though Mgqumeni isn't the only lunatic around
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i hate lies n i believe they are devil inspired this argued a great deal with me telling me lies but today he is defending tribalists,i cant stand him
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somaartakeit
@DJ-Winnersomaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself,
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Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "Moshoeshoe initial aim was to protect himself from shaka so he recruited the tribes running awy from Shaka wich is natural in time of war but Shaka s aim was to unite all blacks under one rule"How do you protect yourself by using Difaqani, those people wer already displaced by war, you forget had already formed a powerful alliance with the Queen and General Mantatisi who commanded the carnival soldiers of the Batlokwa tribe, this is why Shaka failed against Moshoeshoe, even Mzilikazi failed, Moshoeshoe took pitty on difaqani and assimulated them into the Basotho tribe.
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Gcabashe has been in prison since last year following his "rising from the dead" and shocking appearance - crudely claiming to be Mqqumeni - in Nquthu.================================================================================Sowetan, you must get your facts straight, Gcabashe was arrested this year, on sunday the 4th of February.
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uMnuz
Those who put negative comments on here obviously have nothing better to do with their time. GET A JOB. It’s downright pathetic how some people can judge others.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
somaartakeit@DJ-Winner
somaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself,
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I don't remember supporting or promoting any tribalism in this site. You do...
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T.C.T
MZABALAZO@T.C.T did you know that traditional healing and witch craft are not a monopoly of Africans, whites used to partake on such beliefs and not only whites nmany nationalities in the dark ages used to do and believe in a similar way that we identify as our own culture.
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INDIANS, CHINA perform theirs differently from AFRICANS the qtion is can we validate or invalidate a MYTH?
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somaartakeit
@Theonly1 btw culture or tradition should not be used as a manipulation tool to siphon tax monies from unsuspecting tax payers, we already have a president and kings abusing their cultures so they can participating in sex as swingers and we are paying to realise porn fantacies of some using culture, if this mgqumeni character wants to be afforded muti in prison he must bloody well pay for it not tax payers, that's my standpoint.Report Abuse
RobinH
I think one needs to draw a distinction between practices that people believe to be associated with so-called "witchcraft", and "witchcraft" itself. The fact that many many people, here and elsewhere, perform various rituals or consume various substances in the belief that some supernatural phenomenon is going to come into play. in no way proves that such a phenomenon actually exists. This is 2012 people. You are sitting there using a global communication device and are able to make yourself informed about anything anywhere, but no, some people actually CHOOSE to try and disguise their incapacity for rational thought with such absurdity. Welcome to the stone age.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MzabalazoOCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
witchcraft do exist but its is limited for example if you are child of God its very difficult to be witched cos witchcraft is dependant on demons for it be succesful
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There we go again, making funny comments, did you just ponder before you answered?
Are you trying to tell me that Mugabe is the child of God? I am not saying he is not but I want to know if you are just saying things or responding to my question.
Do you want to tell me that the Europeans who made Africans slaves were children of God? I am asking this because witch craft did not work on them and if we uses your reasoning it leads us to that conclusion there you will also be meaning that God was very supportive of slavery since it was his children who were enslaving Africans, is that where you are leading this debate?
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your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics
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@DJ-Winnersomaartakeit
@DJ-Winner
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@DJ-Winner
"Well then, continue being a tribalist I don't care. I was just telling you that you are a stupid" LOVL look who is accusing me of being a tribalist, the tribesman himself,
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"I don't remember supporting or promoting any tribalism in this site. you do..." WHATEVER!
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@DJ-Winner, "Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why...."You and king Zwelithini you keep telling yourselves that Shaka was a peacefull man who didn't hurm anyone but sort to unite people peacefully and couldn't understand why others refused, if they refused why not leave them in peace, why wage a war against them, why displace people from thier villages, why refuse a peace gesture from Moshoeshoe and other chiefs at that time...
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Cl!ck-
All of these comments are demonic and possessed.. If I read another word above me, I'm afraid that I might turn into stone.. *Absolutely horrific*Report Abuse
lenyora13
Ag man jus give this dude muthi, I mean we are allowing soup, vaseline, ponds and other lotions. if he thinks his medication its better than vaseline let him have it.. haawuReport Abuse
manu.menne
What about his rights. HUMAN RIGHTSReport Abuse
somaartakeit
NyongoyamavendaMzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
"your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics" if muti works then why don't you demonstrate to us by applying the so called bullet proof muti, and I will shoot at you and we will both see what happens? cause really you know that muti is BS concorted by the ppl who were bored, if muti or witchcraft was effective how is that blacks the world over are economic underdogs, why are they not using this craft which they have for advancement instead of being of being economic slaves everywhere in the world?
Now that Juju has been quoted as having said, him and the ancyl are calling ont he whites to surrender the lander or else there will be bloodbath, why does he not hypnotise the whites with muti and make them surrender the land voluntarily? lets put this claim to test already guys,
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Bumboklaat
Ny@ope+ whoonga= extreme hallucinations!Report Abuse
Gusheshe
I am originaly from Limpopo and during the festivities Ill be there and when i grew up i heared rummours of people flying using broomsticks and loaf of bread and one day i wanted to experiment and i took a broom stick and put it betweeen my legs and i attempted to fly but it did not then i realised that people believe in Sh1t. I personally dont believe in witchcraft cause ive never seen a bewitched person and i believe if that thing really exist people will use it to enter Banks and clean out all the monies without any trace bt its not happenningReport Abuse
manu.menne
We can't even extradite Dewani because of his medical condition. He has a right to be seekReport Abuse
somaartakeit
BumboklaatNy@ope+ whoonga= extreme hallucinations!
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LOVL hopefully tax payers aren't paying to provide such a luxury cause many would like to do nyoape and whoonga but can't afford it, lol
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Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is@DJ-Winner, "Shaka Zulu tried to unite people and he had all the Nguni people (Zulus, Xhosas, Ndebeles, Swatis) united. Other tribes refused to unite, I don't know why...."
You and king Zwelithini you keep telling yourselves that Shaka was a peacefull man who didn't hurm anyone but sort to unite people peacefully and couldn't understand why others refused, if they refused why not leave them in peace, why wage a war against them, why displace people from thier villages, why refuse a peace gesture from Moshoeshoe and other chiefs at that time...
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no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity
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HoneyB
Sowetan is there a problem?Report Abuse
TupacAmaru
MyPotWarry my sister, Zulus are just bad luck to our beautiful South Africa
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Go to hell!!!!!!!!!!
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T.C.T
somaartakeitMadam can you differentiate btwn culture and tradision? pls give examples alos cause you seems to think you know better? those dancers you see in tv do they do cultural dance OR tradisional dance?
is WHAT is the meaning of MUTHI according to you?cause you are giving the impression that MUTHI is witchcraft!!! molemo kampo ditlhare,muthi medication are the same thing
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Serobapipi-Mazuuluu anale bothata struu !!
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somaartakeit
Guys lets stop with hallucinations and get a handle of the real world, if muti was effective Africa would by now be world chamapions on the football stakes, not to mention that our always failing Bafana bafana would by now be at least African champions, so chillax with this muti stuff, and please don't expect tax payers money spent on BS, lets get real for once, this muti talk is effective when you are trying to pull ranks amongst the no brainers, I also used to tell my maid whilst in JHB that I had a strong Xhosa muti if she takes anything from the house without my permission my Impundulu (Xhosa equivalent of Tikoloshe) would sort her and her entire family out, she was loyal she never took anything, see how ignorance can be used against you?Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeitNyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Mzabalazo
"your problem is that you restrict witchcraft to muthi even fortune telling and pyschatric cards( i am not sure if i am pronouncing correctly) is witch and is practised by whites. no Mugabe might be using the witchcraft to protect himself, that thing about muthi is its not guaranteed that it will be succesful, again no Europe has so ungodly and atheist of the highest in the past 50 years while Chritianity is on the rise among Africans, God has nothing to about politics and skin colour hence Jesus distance himself from anything to with politics" if muti works then why don't you demonstrate to us by applying the so called bullet proof muti, and I will shoot at you and we will both see what happens? cause really you know that muti is BS concorted by the ppl who were bored, if muti or witchcraft was effective how is that blacks the world over are economic underdogs, why are they not using this craft which they have for advancement instead of being of being economic slaves everywhere in the world?
Now that Juju has been quoted as having said, him and the ancyl are calling ont he whites to surrender the lander or else there will be bloodbath, why does he not hypnotise the whites with muti and make them surrender the land voluntarily? lets put this claim to test already guys,
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i dont use muthi or believe in it but i know it can works i dont know about its power limits
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manu.menne
Politicians allies also get out of jail because of their medical conditions. This guy also has a right to get the muti in prison or be released on his medical condition. If not the state must give him a traditional doctor to attend to his medical condition. Any traditional doctor freelancing for the suffering bolk. The traditional doctors are recognized in RSA anywayReport Abuse
The_Only_1
@somaartakeit@Theonly1 btw culture or tradition should not be used as a manipulation tool to siphon tax monies from unsuspecting tax payers, we already have a president and kings abusing their cultures so they can participating in sex as swingers and we are paying to realise porn fantacies of some using culture, if this mgqumeni character wants to be afforded muti in prison he must bloody well pay for it not tax payers, that's my standpoint
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"Black People Steal" - We always treat black people as a 'Group' and White people as 'Individuals'. My point here is that when we will start seeing traditional courts given equal powers as Westernised courts? Is it because people who practice culture are not well learnered or holding qualifications to be Lawyers? I dont think so; I dont believe so! I also do not understand why this Mgqumeni must make a Plea to use Muthi wherease no one Pleas to use Panados in Prisoners or even to be transfered to a Medical Doctor. There are registered Traditional Doctors and are recognised by our Constitution, so when will they be given equal rights as Medical Doctors to heal Patients? All what I'm saying we are free on papers but in practice we are not.
That is why we are even today fighting for Economic Freedom in our life time as we are starving and earning R4500p/m and when we complain; we get fired with immediate effect and be told we have broken the Labour Laws but the Mine Magnets are not penalised for not promoting Black Economic Empowerment and giving people a living wage.
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manu.menne
His legal rights are not being protected. His lawyer could not handle it. Did the state appoint a lawyer for him?Report Abuse
Winilen
MyPotDurban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians.
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and I wonder who told you that Julias?
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Mzabalazo
Maybe the right and correct qtion you need to ask yourself first is what is the meaning of witch craft?how is it working? is it practised by those who practice culture? those who attend church dont they practice wichcraft?........my knowleadge is all ppl can commit witch craft, with herbs or not.....based on some comments here ppl real dont understand witch craft they cant even pin point or validatre or invalidate that witch craft all im seeing is wrong knowleadge that has been influenced by those who failed to learn AFRICAN CULTURE
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My question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it?
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HoneyB
Can we tone down with the tribalism please? its not necessary.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
WinilenMyPot
Durban broer, and to tell you its more worse than in limpopo, everybody is a traditional healer in durban, exept indians.
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and I wonder who told you that Julias?
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this guy is has the twin brain with that fake mgqumeni ,they think exactly the same
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manu.menne
Dagg* is also a muti for horses. Give the man some mutiReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@the-only-1 everyone is generalised, in SA whites are generalised when we speak about apartheid, even now some like Malema and many in the anc say DA is apartheid cause of its white leader, so we are all guilty of generalising and being descriminative. Now to my original point, I don't wanna be paying for BS such as muti and polygammy cause this is minipulation its abuse of culture or tradition, that's my position right now, however, is mgrumeni's democratic right to drown himself in muti, I will defend his right to death but I refuse to pay to entertain his hookas pookas belief, come on ppl this is 21st century lets move on already.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
witchdoctors are the morden day Nongqawuse, so I call on users of this service to approach it with caution, I mean how many have been given bullet protecting muti and at a crucial point such muti failed them and today are not here to tell their story or whether confirm if they wld still do use bullet proof muti given a second a chance, so users and believers of muti please thread carefully.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MzabalazoMy question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it?
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thats my problem with muthi or witch its power seem to so vague and a gues,you are never sure of its effectiveness, with Mugabe he is the president he might using the strongest muthi/nyanga
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Mzabalazo
NyongoyamavendaYou people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands.
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DA-DBN-GUY
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somaartakeit
@nyongoyamavenda Mugabe is muti called zimwar vets against his opponents, like many of Africa's strong men using army and rebels (fastest gun) is the ONLY way to win the day, not powers of muti. If as you allude mugabe's muti was effective he would use it to advance Zimbabweas economy and ensure that all zimbabweans have a better life, so come on get over your mugabe using strong muti business cause that's just BS of the first order and it makes you come across as a nutcase.Report Abuse
T.C.T
MzabalazoMy question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
My question is since our ancestors were so much rooted in our culture why did they fail because I know they tried, why did they fail defeat their enemies with witch craft spells? Why people who knows the alleged art or craft cannot remove Mugabe with it?
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you are not clear in your accusation of FAIL and TRIED pls expand more on that allegation!!!!excatly who is the enemy youn are refering too be specific!!!! unfortunatly the witch craft you are talking about is not the one that made PRES MUGABE to become a leader is all about ppl s choices unless you say Zimbabweans belief in wich craft as far as i know witchcraft is not legal and accepted by our AFRICANs
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Mdala
He is a Zuluboy therefore allow him to practise his culture it is his democratic right.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MzabalazoNyongoyamavenda
You people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands.
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you are right it is very difficult to answer question on muthi/witchcraft or to defferintiate the two but my point was you simply cannot dimis its power cos you dont believe in it, Yes there was an attempt to use against europeans but i gues it failed dismally a case in point is Nongqause episode, i stoped raeding stars cos they only seem to suceeded in guesing negative side of my life ,i later discovered that stars are devil inspired and he cantarget people born on particular month for a particular desease so there is a lot that looks innocent but iys still part of that muthi/witchcraft
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somaartakeit
@Mdala I think we should take this to a democratic vote, question is to vote for muti or to vote against muti, which is which? if majority favour the muti idea then tax payers must but if only mgqumeni and a couple of nutjobs believe in this myth then I don't see why tax payers should be involved in this crazy joke.Report Abuse
MommaC
"I have visions and see things that other people cannot,"LOL
Some powerful muti that - prescription only or home grown?
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Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity"Hahaha, this is why I say you and King Zwelithini are reading from the same book, the first African to call for unity hahaha, Chief Mohlomi of the Banaheng called for unity and peace amongst African people, he travelled throughout African exchanging knowladge and resources with other tribes throughout Africa, before Mohlomi they were other also before him, you and Zwelithini want to act like Shaka was the second coming of Jesus.
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Mamlambo
MzabalazoMy question is simple alright, I do not need to ask the questions you want me to ask because I know witch craft, ubuthakathi, boloi, I know traditional healing, which is not only practiced Africa alone, India, Australia, Maori people in New Zealand, native Americans.
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All these peoples were using muti/witchcraft of some kind, maori, aborigine, Africa, american indian, and caribbean, only to name a few. All these cultures were attacked / colonised by europeans and their witchcraft helped nothing. If people in this cultures want to continue with practise of craft, then let them... but you are right... this things are just tradition and have no power over others. We only have power over ourselves.
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somaartakeit
@Mamlambo, power to that!!Report Abuse
Winilen
NyongoyamavendaMzabalazo
Nyongoyamavenda
You people you jump into unecessary conclusion, I was addressing the topic that witchcraft exist, so you were supposed to have said that to people who said witch craft exist, ad say to them they are confusing muti and witch craft but still you would have been wrong as all of us are Africans and we know what is umuthi/sehtlari/herb and witch craft, so I am sorry you did not even attempt to answer my question just like T.C.T.
I know what I was asking ,mso guys answer my question, why did witch craft fail to deter the Europeans in Africa when they were enslaving Africans? The question still stands.
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you are right it is very difficult to answer question on muthi/witchcraft or to defferintiate the two but my point was you simply cannot dimis its power cos you dont believe in it, Yes there was an attempt to use against europeans but i gues it failed dismally a case in point is Nongqause episode, i stoped raeding stars cos they only seem to suceeded in guesing negative side of my life ,i later discovered that stars are devil inspired and he cantarget people born on particular month for a particular desease so there is a lot that looks innocent but iys still part of that muthi/witchcraft
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Guys muthi is not bad at all that why true traditional healers stil practise it... Muthi becomes bad when it used to harm others & witches loves that.
Once you start practising witch craft you never go on with life because every1 becomes your enemy & you try to protect your self because you beleive they are using muthi on you.
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ChampRef
BOLOI BONA BO TENG, le rata kapa le sa rate. Ba bangwe within us bloggers are WITCHES, so stop judging others, if you dont believe then stuff it. Even those that Preaches the Powerful word of God ba ya loya, so WITCHCRAFT ke ntho ere phelang le yona, it is not ONLY ZULUS that believes in MUTHI, kaofela ga lona le ya di sebedisa ditlhare.Report Abuse
MsHollyHerb
zulus nywe nywe nywe, zulus nywe nywe nywe why, simple theres nothing nothing at all to say about others kucacile, its more lyk ezinye izinhlanga doesnt exist,ayi shame ngiyawavuma amaZulu they making a mark, HALALA, even today people still talk abt oShaka and all,
BIG UP TO AMAZULU, angiyazi lento ashukumisa umhlaba wonke there must be something really good about them. that much is LUNCH BAR.
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Popeye
Eish…nawe Sowetan newspaper…what is this? Lembuzi is mentally ill.Report Abuse
KGS000
Boloi starts with the heart so all of us ra loya!!!Report Abuse
ChampRef
Nabo abamhlophe baya loya. Fortune tellers are witches. Nabazalwane abanye baya loya. So pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeReport Abuse
Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012Mzabalazo
T.C.T
Culture is a powerful human tool for survival, but it is a fragile phenomenon. It is constantly changing and easily lost because it exists only in our minds. Our written languages, governments, buildings, and other man-made things are merely the products of culture. They are not culture in themselves. For this reason, archaeologists can not dig up culture directly in their excavations. The broken pots and other artifacts of ancient people that they uncover are only material remains that
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Cl!ck-
We need someone like this guy.. A gifted man who can see the future of our economy, inflation and interest rates as well as our likelyhood with attracting foreign investors into our country..@ Sowetan
Please ask Zoomer & Trevor Noah to hire this guy immediately!!!..
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Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is@Nyongoyamavenda, "no no shaka was never a peacefull he was a conquerer who believe in strict militarisation just like Napoleon bonarpart and that is the truth but he is the fiest African to call for African unity"
Hahaha, this is why I say you and King Zwelithini are reading from the same book, the first African to call for unity hahaha, Chief Mohlomi of the Banaheng called for unity and peace amongst African people, he travelled throughout African exchanging knowladge and resources with other tribes throughout Africa, before Mohlomi they were other also before him, you and Zwelithini want to act like Shaka was the second coming of Jesus
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who is that ,where does he comes from,where do i get read about history really its the first time i hear about him, Shaka s history is so documented ,Americans,British know him as the first uniter of Africans so the one you talk about is unknown
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
A tradition is a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, also a basical character of a society still maintained in the present, with origins in the past.[1][2] Common examples include holidays or impractical but socially meaningful clothes (like lawyer wigs or military officer spurs), but the idea has also been applied to social norms such as greetings. Traditions can persist and evolve for thousands of years—the word "tradition" itself derives from the Latin tradere or traderer literally meaning to transmit, to hand over, to give for safekeeping. While it is commonly assumed that traditions have ancient history, many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural, over short periods of time. Certain scholarly fields, such as anthropology and biology, have adapted the term "tradition," defining it more precisely than its conventional use in order to facilitate scholarly discourse.
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manu.menne
@Popeye. He deserves to be discharged on medical condition. He will be a freeman. Much better at the mental health careReport Abuse
manu.menne
Oh yeah. The traditional mental healthcare like "uguthwasa"Report Abuse
manu.menne
Unlock his potential of seeing things. Economic indicatorReport Abuse
RobinH
Mzabalazo: " many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural" EXACTLY. Of course the same applies to most formal religions. Artificial constructs to reinforce the positions of those in power.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavenda
zulu have achived so much in the past and continue to do so ,just look how Zulu langauge is used extensivel on commercial adverts and thats what is irking other tribes especialy those from limpopo,instead of celebrating an African succes and imitate its succes they get jelous and resort this witching mentality, when you are called black dont allow your mind to think black
Well said Nyongoyamavenda hahahahahahahhaha @ your name.
I'm not a tribalist, but I feel so offended when I read the comments from our fellow BLACK South African...I'm a proud Zulu woman who resides in Guateng whose society is very divise, I don't remember catagorising people at all, let alone treating them differantly because of the color of their skin, WORSE THEIR TRIBE!!...we are showing the level of our capibility to Govern this country.
@Robin H, you couldn't have said it better, this is the LAST thing we need for this country, sadly it's the direction it's taking :-(...I believe so much in this country, we will reach a point where we are all at least OK with each other, mayeb we won't be lucky to experience it.
I pray for all the Zulu haters to at least direct that energy to something positive, life is too short for hatred.
VIVA MZANSI VIVA!!!
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RobinH
Candid. Good morning to you. Thankyou. This is my primary mission at the moment: To try and point out the absurdity of people's paranoid "otherism".Report Abuse
Mzabalazo
T.C.TBoth culture and tradition evolve, our culture was different before we mined and processed iron/ iron age, just as our culture in the Sourthern Africa was different before the Mfecane/Difaqane war. Our culture and tradition is different now from when we were using candles, and before the we used candles it was different. Today people light candle for traditional settings yet our ancestors never knew what a candle is. Some healers say our ancestors would need candles, why? That is strange Shaka, Sekhokhone, Hintsa do not know candles, so that is a new tradition, just because we use electricity we think this is the way things were done long time ago, but that is wrong and fake, Nongawuse, Mkabayi ka Jama and Manthathise did not use candles , that is a 419, so be careful what you advocate for, most of it is fake as it a tradition of the early 1900's
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WhatTheHack
People of sound mind please like FB page:http://www.facebook.com/JacobZumaIsNotMyPresident?ref=hl
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MommaC
It is quite astonishing that people who are (supposedly) educated and have access to the internet are so superstitious. No wonder the ignorant and uneducated in the middle of nowhere are still burning humans alive for no good reasonReport Abuse
MommaC
WhatTheHack1. this has nothing to do with Zuma
2. if I like it or not, he IS my president - that is how democracy works
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T.C.T
Mzabalazoyour explanations of tradision and culture are good on the Western side but wen coming to African they are lost, iam sure you cant explain that in your own lingo.......the argument is not about the origin term of those words wer they come from.....in my own lingo i know wat tradision stand and wat culture stand there meaning SETSO LE NGWAO.......PPl must just stop taking google meaning as the final and correct answers
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Uncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicityReport Abuse
Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, M0hlomi esta.bilshed a lead.ership ac@demy back in the d@ys and t0ok on y0ung ch1efs as app.rentises, one of his successful @pprentise was King Moshoeshoe, he tought pe0ple at that time that they was one God, Rama.sedi, also that the n@ture of man to follow in his he@rt is that of peace and love, Sob@ntu in his writting about the old sayings of the anci.ent on.ce he quotes Mohlomi's pr0verbs of the old B@ntu, Mor.ena ke morena ka mohau wa bat.ho" a king is a king because of the macy of his people", Moth0 ke mot.ho ka b@tho etc, this were sayings t0ught by M0hlomi to his pe0ple and to show c0nnectivity amongst people and eve.rything in n@ture, he t0ught the ch@in of conne.ctivity betw.een people and all things in n@ture, He coined the greating Kgotso le kg@nya hao @parele" May pe@ce and light be @pon you"....Report Abuse
Mzabalazo
WinlenThere is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period...
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Uncle-LuWHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity
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because he is a zuluman from nkandla city
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qalostos
those a*s are now tired of big mborozodovo's now u want muthi to solve the pain in the a*s fotsk mor*on nxaReport Abuse
T.C.T
Mzabalazothe argument must not be based on the tangible things that wer used on those days because im sure the was something available that replaced cadles on those days not forgeting that we grow and develop as years goes, what is important is we used the same route with different things....
about those tradisional healers you are refering to asking candles it is not necessarily about the product called candles is about the purpose or intention of the aim cause they bring (KGANYA) i dont know wat it is in english but is something like lighter
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1937
We at Orlando Pirates are not associated to witch-craft. Send this alien to Naturrena so that Jessica can babysit himReport Abuse
Uncle-Lu
100%tsongaUncle-Lu
WHY sowetan is giving this m0ron this kind of publicity
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because he is a zuluman from nkandla city
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I mean do we really need to debate issues based on m0rons?
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mzabalazo
your explanations of tradision and culture are good on the Western side but wen coming to African they are lost, iam sure you cant explain that in your own lingo.......the argument is not about the origin term of those words wer they come from.....in my own lingo i know wat tradision stand and wat culture stand there meaning SETSO LE NGWAO.......PPl must just stop taking google meaning as the final and correct answers
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T.C.T
Do you want to tell me that HIntsa , Shaka, Tulare, Sekhukhuni, Moshoesheo they once used candles? So if they did not, why do we use candles in our traditional ceremonies, who came with that rubbish that we now claim as what our ancestors want, so when will we use electricity for our ancestors, because candles are also strange to them, can you see the 419 I am talking about?
Setso/ isiko is not defined in western context it is defined in a human context, remember that Sobukwe said we belong to a human race, there this definition is identifiable to any race.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Tabza325is@Nyongoyamavenda, M0hlomi esta.bilshed a lead.ership ac@demy back in the d@ys and t0ok on y0ung ch1efs as app.rentises, one of his successful @pprentise was King Moshoeshoe, he tought pe0ple at that time that they was one God, Rama.sedi, also that the n@ture of man to follow in his he@rt is that of peace and love, Sob@ntu in his writting about the old sayings of the anci.ent on.ce he quotes Mohlomi's pr0verbs of the old B@ntu, Mor.ena ke morena ka mohau wa bat.ho" a king is a king because of the macy of his people", Moth0 ke mot.ho ka b@tho etc, this were sayings t0ught by M0hlomi to his pe0ple and to show c0nnectivity amongst people and eve.rything in n@ture, he t0ught the ch@in of conne.ctivity betw.een people and all things in n@ture, He coined the greating Kgotso le kg@nya hao @parele" May pe@ce and light be @pon you"....
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naah man he did those i believe many other African chiefs were doing that ,is so significant it seems so general to me but i wil give him credit though its a first time i hear about him and i think comparing him to Shaka woulb be unfair
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MzabalazoWinlen
There is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period...
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precisely correct we share the same mental feeling on this particular comment,,,,,witch craft only exist to those who belief in it and practice it..........
if you dont mind me asking is Moshoeshoe e Motswana or Mosotho?
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nah this moron must just go and jump to the nearest river, we dont need this kind of stories
sowetan must just shut up
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012
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Mzabalazo
Do you want to tell me that HIntsa , Shaka, Tulare, Sekhukhuni, Moshoesheo they once used candles? So if they did not, why do we use candles in our traditional ceremonies, who came with that rubbish that we now claim as what our ancestors want, so when will we use electricity for our ancestors, because candles are also strange to them, can you see the 419 I am talking about?
Setso/ isiko is not defined in western context it is defined in a human context, remember that Sobukwe said we belong to a human race, there this definition is identifiable to any race.
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TCT is right why we cling so much to something we call our culture when it so much weakend and intruded by western influence, i believe everyone has a right to choose what works for him in a culture its not universal its individual
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
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Winlen
There is no muthi that does bad things, unless you give a person a poison, so witch craft is a superstious belief period...
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precisely correct we share the same mental feeling on this particular comment,,,,,witch craft only exist to those who belief in it and practice it..........
if you dont mind me asking is Moshoeshoe e Motswana or Mosotho?
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Moshoesheo is a Sotho speaking King or was to be precise.
No we do share the same thinking, I said witch craft does not exist period, it is not there, it has not influence in anyone, you say it only exist to those who belief and practice it, my take is that those people who believe it are worse than a person who plays with a saliva, as the saliva is real when the witch craft is not.
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T.C.T
Mzabalazocandle is not strange to them!!! LOBONE was available long before the creation of that product.i dont undersatand wat excatly are you trying to say..unless u are saying ppl at night stood on the dark waiting fo a miracle to happen?
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mzabalazo
the argument must not be based on the tangible things that wer used on those days because im sure the was something available that replaced cadles on those days not forgeting that we grow and develop as years goes, what is important is we used the same route with different things....
about those tradisional healers you are refering to asking candles it is not necessarily about the product called candles is about the purpose or intention of the aim cause they bring (KGANYA) i dont know wat it is in english but is something like lighter
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That is very lame, why should one use candle KGANYA in a house that is already lit by bright electricity, that is very lame, with electricity there is enough kganya,mod you get the 419? It is fake what was used before the candles were there? If the candles are replacing then primitive light , then candles are now primitive they should be replaced by electricity. If our ancestors cannot see with the help of electricity then they are blind the candle will not light their way.
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T.C.T
MzabalazoMoshoesheo is a Sotho speaking King or was to be precise.
No we do share the same thinking, I said witch craft does not exist period, it is not there, it has not influence in anyone, you say it only exist to those who belief and practice it, my take is that those people who believe it are worse than a person who plays with a saliva, as the saliva is real when the witch craft is not
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if he is Mosotho HOW come his father is a Motswana? Chief Mokhachana? ruling a Tswana tribe/clan of Bakwena?
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Tabza325is
@Nyongoyamavenda, "naah man he did those i believe many other African chiefs were doing that ,is so significant it seems so general to me but i wil give him credit though its a first time i hear about him and i think comparing him to Shaka woulb be unfair"Which other chief did the same as Mohlomi, most chiefs at that time were absessed with keeping thier power and had not time to mentor or take on young chiefs as apprentises, Mohlomi forsaw a need to unit all Basotho tribes into one tribe, he passed on this concept and his knowladge to Moshoeshoe a d his other apprentesis. Note Moshoeshoe's grandfather was a decent of an old nguni tribe Hlubi, his great-grandfather was Mualle of the Hlubi, so yes to brash your Zulu ego Moshoeshoe has some Nguni in him.
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T.C.T
Mzabalazodont try to twist words,u said ancestors never new candles,why healers uses candles and i answered by saying they wanted KGANYA not necessarily candles as you wrongly assume....the intention was KGANYA in those rituals not CANDLES specifically and remember candles make KGANYA
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mzabalazo
candle is not strange to them!!! LOBONE was available long before the creation of that product.i dont undersatand wat excatly are you trying to say..unless u are saying ppl at night stood on the dark waiting fo a miracle to happen?
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I think I am too deep , you do not get my argument. You are agreeing with me that people in the past used lebone so the use of a candle signifies that the tradition and culture evolves, we do not use lebone today in our traditional ceremonies and culture, so after lebone we used candles and stopped using lebone in our traditional and cultural ceremonies, so today we have moved on, our traditional and cultural practices uses electricity to light the place, so we have evolved, so culture and tradition evolve it is not stagnant, thus my explaination of tradition and culture is true to Africans too.
To take this argument further, why have we moved away from lebone and yet we do not want to move on to the use of electricity in our cultural and traditional ceremonies? Why because we can still use lebone, so why move and stop with the candle when we have electricity?
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Mzabalazo
TCTLike I said I am too deep for you to understand. My argument says exactly that: our ancestors never used candles, so why is it our tradition to use candles? You gave the answer, culture and tradition evolves, but you used different words that near the same thing, that we use candle instead of lebone, so by definition above of both tradition and culture is in agreement with what you are saying, so you were wrong to conclude that the definition was western, since we no longer use lebone but candles.
Now, I went a bit further by questioning the use of candles as we have electricity, for you to say people will stand in the dark if they do not use candles confuses name because candles are lit in an already bright house, with electric light , therefore it is you who is trying to change the topic, I have been consistent in my argument.
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MzabalazoCandles are actually European pagan tools. The use of different colours and aromas were used as an offering or invocation of the various spirits. Whilst fire has always been seen to be an important part of belief systems, the use of candles is most synonymous with Celtic 'magic'.
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MzabalazoOK!!
about Moshoeshoe and his father who was a Motswana chief,how come Moshoeshoe became a Mosotho
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"I need muthi," he said. "My face changes and other prisoners tend to dislike me when they see me changing.My God!
This statement had me in stitches....Zulu or not - the guy is insane!
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Tabza325is
@MommaC, I agree, also I think one thing people don't note about native traditions is they follow a similar structure, they involve the user of fire, water, earth, blood and animal tottems, sacrifies, symbols, rituals and a connection to spirits, the tachnic or methord used by each nation my differ but the principles are always the same, I once read about the Bon tradition of the Tibat which the tradition that was in Asia before they were introduced to buddahism, they also have a native believe like other humans throughout the world.Report Abuse
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Mzabalazo
T.C.TMoshoeshoe was the son of Mokhachane, a minor chief of the Bamokoteli sub-clan. He was born at Menkhoaneng in Leribe, Lesotho as Lepoqo. During his youth, he was very brave and once organised a cattle raid against Ramonaheng and captured several herds. As was the tradition, he composed a poem praising himself where, amongst the words he used to refer to himself, said he was "like a razor which has shaved all Ramonaheng's beards", referring to his successful raid. In Sesotho language, a razor makes a "shoe...shoe..." sound, and after that he was affectionately called Moshoeshoe: "the shaver". He also referred himself as the person of Kali, thus showed that he was a descendant of the Great Kali or Monaheng who is said to be the ancestor of most Bakoena people in Lesotho with the exception of the senior BaMolibeli.
Your version is different from historical records.
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Tabza325isAncient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar
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OCT 17, 2012MommaC
Mzabalazo
Candles are actually European pagan tools. The use of different colours and aromas were used as an offering or invocation of the various spirits. Whilst fire has always been seen to be an important part of belief systems, the use of candles is most synonymous with Celtic 'magic'.
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Thanks for the input, beautifully said dear.
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@MommaCTabza325is
Ancient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar
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Thank you Momma, I have had this argument with a lot of people but they simply prefer to argue without facts( little knowledge is extremely dangerous)
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@MommaC," Ancient mythology and beliefs are really quite fascinating. The similarities are mindblowing. It is hard to imagine how people from across vast oceans could have such similar belief systems. I wish i still had the notes on a lecture I went to back in the 1980s about the similarities between the Nguni 'religion' and the Dakota Sioux. You couldn't put a pin between the differences. Even the terminology was similar"One of the similarities is made by Credo Motwa between African Sham.inism and Native American Shama.nism, he also goes to Australia and has a compaling comparism of thier sham.anism, some how the use of symbo.ls, fire, b..lood and other items of native spi.rtuality my di.ffer as a tech.nic but the principle behind them is the same amongst nativ.es world wide, look at astr.ology, they used defferent methords to abserve the stars but the knowladge system was the same, 12 constillat.ions around the s.un over lap.ing with 13 con.stillations after a given period in time, this is why across the world some nat.ives performed certain rit.uals at night based on certain period as recorded by abse.rving constillat.ions, n.atives across the world say one thing, that the sou.l take the form of part hu.man- part ani.mal, this is a believe of most na.tive people across the world and that the ani.mal form of hum.ans represent the pas.sion in us, that for.m with cannot con.cive in ima.ges but consive in em.otions, colour, sound and cons.ciousness, they are many simil.arities amongst na.tive systems across the world.
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T.C.T
Mzabalazoi see u did some quick quick googling from sister (gugu) and i dont blame your opinion lets correct the writing first from ur above comment is called BAKWENA not BAKOENA as the witter suggest,the clan the writter, which is also white forget to suggest that MOKHACHANE s name is MOKOTELI who was responsible for BAKWENA clan il advice you to do more research and have time to do it proper
that version you picked up from that writter is not producing enough info u need....
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Mzabalazo
The origins of the Tswana tribesIn Botswana, about 1,000 years ago, large chiefdoms began to emerge in the area between Sowa Pan and the Tswapong Hills. Large settlements developed on hilltops. These people are known as the "Toutswe", after the first of their capitals, which was excavated on Toutswemogala Hill. Soon these communities were eclipsed by the Great Zimbabwe Empire, which spread its domain over much of eastern Botswana.
Around 1300 AD, peoples in present-day Transvaal began to coalesce into the linguistic and political groups they form today. This resulted in the emergence of three main groups: the Bakgalagadi, the Batswana and the Basotho, each of which had smaller divisions. Each group lived in small, loosely knit communities, spread widely over large areas of land. They spoke dialects of the same language and shared many cultural affinities.
Two central features of the history of the Batswana are fission and fusion. Groups of people broke off from their parent tribe and moved to new land, creating a new tribe and absorbing or subjugating the people they found there. This is how a single group of Batswana living in the Magaliesberg Mountains in northern Transvaal evolved into the numerous Tswana tribes, which exist today.
In 18th century further movements and split-ups of the Batswana resulted in the Tswana tribes which exist today: Bakhurutshe, Bangwato, Bakwena, Bangwaketse, Bakgatla, Batlhokwa, Barolong, Batlhaping and, much later, the Batawana.
The earlier farming inhabitants of Botswana - the Bakgalagadi - also split into several groups, namely the Bakgwateng, Babolaongwe, Bangologa, Baphaleng, Bashaga and many smaller groups. This then was how the Tswana tribes came to be living in Botswana as they were until about 200 years ago.
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T.C.T.Exactly, I google because I do not want to spread mabari bari, don't you think evidence is good, rather than recycled rumour .
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Tabza325isVery true. Makes you wonder how the human race went from being so similar to being so divided.
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@ MzabalazoI thought tswana's orignated from a mixture of a b0er and a sotho..
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Mzabalazo
T.C.TSo if 3 groups separated in 1300 AD, therefore Mosheoshoe' s father was not a moTswana. It's just like saying king Lobengula of the amaNdebele of Zimbabwe was a Zulu just because his great- grandfather was King Shaka's lieutenant. So Mokhachane was a moSotho who can trace his ancestry to the baTswana , just as Lobengula could trace his ancestry to the Zulu tribe.
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@Cl!ck D!ck!phela otlare go bolediwa dilo tse serious wena wano ny@ ka molomo
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OCT 17, 2012Cl!ck-
@ Mzabalazo
I thought tswana's orignated from a mixture of a b0er and a sotho..
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@T.C.T. Do you see then why it is important to google for answers, or would you prefare Cl!ck-'s thoughts.
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@MommaCTabza325is
Very true. Makes you wonder how the human race went from being so similar to being so divided.
I think at some point we all belonged to a proto-tribe or some proto-humans whom we all descent from, scientist say the first proto-humans or modern man appeared out of Africa some millions of years ago, this would mean at some point we must have had one knowladge system, which when we moved to other part of the world became fregmanted into the native systems we have today. Example read about the Igbo language, they is a group of scholars who believe that most of the languages around the world came from Igbo, it's a interesting read about how ancient language must have evolved out of one human language, which might emplie we must also had similar culture and tradition in the past, the research was done by Professor Catherine Acholonu, she point out similarities in words which have the same sound and the same meaning but from defferent languages as in Igbo..
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Mzabalozojust by looking at the spelling errors from your info i doubt what u presented is valid.....it dont show how excatly those clan started who was the parent.....
NTLO YA DIKGOSI kwa ga RRATSHIDI IN MAFIKENG NORTH WEST have all the info one may need and it is suprising is not the same as the one white ppl wrote? perheps attitude is more important than evidence created by strangers.....u are right rumors created by many confused writters is wrong
like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi
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Mzabalozois good in some of the things not everything like majority do,,,click is just kidding arnd to mind him ul get use to his kind
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I have to be granted permission to use muthi inside prison because failure to do so would result in my death."_-----------------------------------
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MommaC
Tabza325isLanguage is one area that I keep meaning to look into but have never quite got around to it.
We know that the world was just one continent and that we all have a similar genetic marker so it would stand to reason that the only way for such a wide dispersal of a belief system to be in existence was that it came to be before we were all separated. That throws a bit of a spanner in their time line though. It would mean that language was far more advanced in ancient man than was believed and that we had a much more sophisticated social system than they thought.
If we assume that we had a far more sophysticated society back then, it could explain some of those strange findings (ancient batteries, the pyramids etc) but it leaves a big question about where that knowledge was lost
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OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mzabalozo
just by looking at the spelling errors from your info i doubt what u presented is valid.....it dont show how excatly those clan started who was the parent.....
NTLO YA DIKGOSI kwa ga RRATSHIDI IN MAFIKENG NORTH WEST have all the info one may need and it is suprising is not the same as the one white ppl wrote? perheps attitude is more important than evidence created by strangers.....u are right rumors created by many confused writters is wrong
like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi
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You can mock me alright that does not bother me , but I have posted the evidence and it has no spelling errors, so why not focus on the googled evidence that has no error instead on attacking my spelling , trying to divert from facts. What I like you have got the message from my mispled posts, and I know you kind when the going gets tough you start attacking a person. I errors has been always there but you did not focus on them thinking that you were going to defeat this semi-illetarate girl, when you realize that she still standing then you use the old trick on the book.Just google the origin of baTswana and see if my research is flawed, do not worry about my spelling, play the ball if you can and not me.
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T.C.T
Mzabalazounfortunately with MOKHACHANE is totaly different from wat you are saying,he comes from a family of five brothers who are Batswanas....
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Tabza325is
@T.C.T, "like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi'Go to the Fre.e State and Lesotho, Batlhokoa, Barolong and Bakgatla are part of the Basotho nation, most of them speak Setwana and have managed to preserve it while assimulated into the Basotho nation, it's not a bad or negetive thing that Moshoeshoe has some tswana decent in him, you make it sound as if it to be Motswana is a do or die situation.
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OCT 17, 2012Tabza325is
@MommaC
Tabza325is
Very true. Makes you wonder how the human race went from being so similar to being so divided.
I think at some point we all belonged to a proto-tribe or some proto-humans whom we all descent from, scientist say the first proto-humans or modern man appeared out of Africa some millions of years ago, this would mean at some point we must have had one knowladge system, which when we moved to other part of the world became fregmanted into the native systems we have today. Example read about the Igbo language, they is a group of scholars who believe that most of the languages around the world came from Igbo, it's a interesting read about how ancient language must have evolved out of one human language, which might emplie we must also had similar culture and tradition in the past, the research was done by Professor Catherine Acholonu, she point out similarities in words which have the same sound and the same meaning but from defferent languages as in Igbo..
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To support for findings I remember watching a program in Discovery Channel , I think it was 2 year ago, this was about a conflict in the DRC, the guys who were interviewed we're speaking in their native language and the program was subtitled, what amazed me was that not only they were using some words similar to Nguni but had the same meaning when reading the sub-title( of course the sub-title was in English) it was very strange. What you say makes sense to me.
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MZABALAZOIm not refering to you personally but the errors of the person who wrote that farytale story about BATSWANA history and its clans...bottom line is the so called evidence is not the valid one according to our knowleadge our HOUSE OF CHIEFS facts is DISAGREEING with what the strangers wrote..only relevent BATSWANA ppl are qualified to raise and correct wat they blv is right.....dnt try to twist my words plssss lets talk without allowing emotions control us......NOT all of depend on google fo information especially the correct one
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Tabza325is
@MommaC," If we assume that we had a far more sophysticated society back then, it could explain some of those strange findings (ancient batteries, the pyramids etc) but it leaves a big question about where that knowledge was lost"I think the knowladge was lost when certain men in society of that time decided they were the custodiance of knowladge at that time, example look at Egypt what we are learning in high school today back in the day it kept to royal families and influancial families in those societies, common man liky you and I were not allowed to learn or read or write, the Priest hood of this world were the once who kept most of the knowladge away from common man as such appeared to be mysteries to us, science, math, geomatry etc appeared to be mysterious to common man and made the priest and leaders at that time to appear to be more advance and God like to the common men. The same as archeologist are able to discover ancient ruins, ancient people also were able to find ancient ruins which today we can trace or have eroded, meaning something from 20 000 years ago could have been discovered by a person that lived 5000 years ago, this is why knowladge appears to be fragmented and incomplete, today scientist discovere things from 3000 years ago and non of them are being published or tought in school, most discoveries remain unknown to us commin people.
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Tabza325isis the impression you are getting,BUT bottom line is TSWANA is the father of those lingos,,before MOSHOESHOE who do you know?before SEKHUKHUNE who do you know? im glad we managed to grow like this
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012Tabza325is
@T.C.T, "like it or not MOSHOESHOE is Motswana including Bapedi'
Go to the Fre.e State and Lesotho, Batlhokoa, Barolong and Bakgatla are part of the Basotho nation, most of them speak Setwana and have managed to preserve it while assimulated into the Basotho nation, it's not a bad or negetive thing that Moshoeshoe has some tswana decent in him, you make it sound as if it to be Motswana is a do or die situation.
@ Tabza325is one been a descendant of baTswana and been a Motswana is two different things. T.C.T does not say they are descendants of... But he says they are baTswana, then it is just like saying Afrikaner people are Dutch, or baShangani are amaZulu, or amaBhaca are amaZulu,. T.C.T is stripping the baSotho identity and ignores the generation gap between 1300AD and the early 1800s when Moshoesheo became a ruler. We can as well as say the abaSotho and amaNguni are not abaSotho and amaNGuni because they were once one group speaking the same language and sharing the same tradition, which was later labelled by Europeans as "Ba#ntu" who migrated from Central Africa ( I do realize that group's ancestors originated in South African , where the oldest fossils of that bridges the gap between the Austraphicues and homo sapiens was found). So the claim of T.C.T. Is ridiculous, it tries to deny the independence of the Basotho as a separate people. In short I am my mother's daughter not my mothers, so is the Basotho they are not BaTswana but their descendants.
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Tabza325isGood hypothesis. It would make the knowledge a lot easier to destroy if it was held by a select few who lived in close proximity to one another (one nasty bout of flu could do it) and the priesthood is renowned for using their position to keep knowledge from the commoners.
A lot of the old knowledge was lost due to Christianity as well. The burning of books (so delightfully common in the middle east at the moment) and the persecution of anyone who used the old ways, destroyed much of the knowledge. Even common herb lore was largely lost. You'd have an outbreak of measles and the local herb lady would be accused of witchcraft by the preacher and burned to death. Made being a herbalist a dangerous job and not one to pass on to the daughters.
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MzabalazoU ARE CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT ND URSELF......U CANT ARGUE WTH THE TRUETH WEN U TALK ABT CLANS ASK URSELF WHO WER DE LEADERS ND WER DO THEY CUM FRM UL BE SURPRISED
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Tabza325is
@T.C.TTabza325is
is the impression you are getting,BUT bottom line is TSWANA is the father of those lingos,,before MOSHOESHOE who do you know?before SEKHUKHUNE who do you know? im glad we managed to grow like this
In my comment I don't argue which is the root language I'm pointing out we all decent from common origins, our language as South Africans have common origin, Sotho, Zulu, Tswana( Ho'bona, U'gbona, Go'bona) you say tomato I say Toma'to, it's a split dialag with similar origins, Go to Kenya and listen to Swahili it has similar words and mean the same in our language, like I said it's not a do or die situation if you descent from Batswana.
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012T.C.T
Mzabalazo
U ARE CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT ND URSELF......U CANT ARGUE WTH THE TRUETH WEN U TALK ABT CLANS ASK URSELF WHO WER DE LEADERS ND WER DO THEY CUM FRM UL BE SURPRISED
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I am not confusing anything my argument is clear, Moshoesheo is not MoTswana and has never been. 1300AD , 3 groups separated, Those groups are Bakgalagadi,Batswana and Basotho. Secondly the Basotho are a separate nation , just as amaNdebele are not amaZulu, been a descend of a certain tribe does not make you that tribe, that is not confusing. Your problem you T.C.T. To tend to get stuck on one thing, just as got stuck on candles on the other topic , you just got excited that Basotho are descendants of BaTswana, thn you got stuck on that , you cannot move on, a product of something is not that something, in the making of the Basotho nation some of the tribes in the Free state were not Tswana speakers thus seTswana is different to Sesotho. Same as the MaSwati, they are a mixture of abeSotho and amaZulu therefore they are not either group, same amaHlubi they are from two groups amaXhosa and abeSotho therefore they are none of the two two groups but their descendants. I can go on and on unfortunately you will not get it, you get only get my misspellings. Though luck the evidence is infront of you.
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Guys please! who is this Mongol, trying to take King Shaka' s popularity?to hell with this person can't you all see this man is not well upstairs
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Mzabalazo
OCT 17, 2012Tabza325is
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Tabza325is
In my comment I don't argue which is the root language I'm pointing out we all decent from common origins, our language as South Africans have common origin, Sotho, Zulu, Tswana( Ho'bona, U'gbona, Go'bona) you say tomato I say Toma'to, it's a split dialag with similar origins, Go to Kenya and listen to Swahili it has similar words and mean the same in our language, like I said it's not a do or die situation if you descent from Batswana.
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I agree with you, for example we all use wena and we write the same way. That is why I do not understand when people uphold their tribe above others, take for instance I am a Zulu speaker, I never I dentify myself as umZulu, not because I am ashamed of my origin but because the tribe is a remnant of a bigger thing, and find that if one is tribal, tribalism holds them back. I believe in Sobukwe' s theory the we all belong to a human race, and it's cradle is South Africa, before our ancestors left the central Africa to the Southern Africa, their ancestors ones lived in South Africa where oldest fossils were found. Therefore all people were once one, we do not know when and how exactly the Sotho speakers separated from the Nguni but we know for sure that they were one, so why do we just claim one group as if we own it and try to nullify its identity as if it's existence is so different from ours, it's origin is different from ours? Ngunis and Sotho speakers are one, they are separated by history just as Basotho and Batswana are one but separated by history, but that doesn't give us the right try and make one group insignificant by distorting its history as a people just because we know it's origin.
Thanks, as always your posts are quite refereshing.
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@ DeOviYou are a true Khoisan lady.. What can I get for you on your 21st birthday?.. A bow & arrow made from Impala skin??
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Mzabalazo
T.C.TOrigin of Batswana from the Botswana website not white people.
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SWEETYKEish mare this guy le yena, he gambled with his life mooesss moo. Batho ba ga batshwane more especially picture 3 and 4.
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Say it again my frend, there is no similarity at all, there is a wife who even slept with the fake one and claimed it was him.Cabanga frend not knowing HUSBY and claim some man is Him.
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Eish mare this guy le yena, he gambled with his life mooesss moo. Batho ba ga batshwane more especially picture 3 and 4.
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Say it again my frend, there is no similarity at all, there is a wife who even slept with the fake one and claimed it was him.Cabanga frend not knowing HUSBY and claim some man is Him.
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Iyah frendo where is she vele yena? She was an infuriated girlfriend Lala. Cabanga Lala ke tshwantsha HUSBY le Nongoloza. lol
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Galfrend
sweety n skopo - nisharp ladies?Report Abuse
Sneijder
@GalfrendO teng mo!!! lasttime KG000 was looking for you o tshabile le Click for the whole week
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T.C.T
MzabalazoDont try to deviate from the issue by including the argument of candle cause i just chose to ignore it because you wer confusing and forcing your opinion to something u have no idea of.
YOU are even more confusing wen you talk about BAKGALAGADI,BATSWANA,BASOTHO ...BATSWANA is the umbrella of all those clans u wrote,Bakgalagadi ,Bakwena,Barolong,Bahurutshe etc those are the small clans that spk Setswana lingo and they have there own chiefs who spk the LINGO of Setswana JUST like Mokhachane who led BAKWENA clan that came from chief MOHURUTSHE,,,and KWENA decided to open his own clan under his name and called that tribe BAKWENA,,,we have BAKWENA ba ga MOGOPA etc......KWENA is the big BROTHER OF MOKACHANE ,moshoeshoe s father.
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Skopokopo
Sneijder@Skopo
O nale maka you always in the office le at @Speke...but i missed you too
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You lie maan, i tried coming to you and i was turned back maan
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Galfrend
Sneidjer how are you? I didnt know KG ws looking for me, say hie to him if u see him.Report Abuse
Skopokopo
Galfrendsweety n skopo - nisharp ladies?
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Im fine thanks, how did you write my frend, hope all went well!!
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Galfrend
skopo - dont even ask :(Report Abuse
Tibub
This pure insanityReport Abuse
Mzabalazo
A descendant does not mean one belongs to the tribe the tribe the come from, it means that one has branched or is a product of. If you are saying Basotho are abeTswana then you might as well say amaNdebele ngamaZulu and ama Afri#kaner ngama D-#utch, which cannot be true. At times one must agree to disagree...Thanks for the conversation I enjoyed it no punt intended
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Sneijder
@SkopoWhen lasttime did you see me on here...cos since o shapa ka boom that day o bona @Speke i have never been here..just watching from a distance
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Skopokopo
Sneijder@Skopo
When lasttime did you see me on here...cos since o shapa ka boom that day o bona @Speke i have never been here..just watching from a distance
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I called upon you lala, i dont remember the day.
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Sneijder
Ooh!!! i am lala now when he comes up here you will be gone with him...so whe are you inviting me to the office then *Sweetsugar*Report Abuse
T.C.T
MZABALAZOmy argument is clear Chief Mkoteli Mokhachane was born from a TSWANA tribe under BAKWENA clan and he became a chief of that particular clan,PARENTS of Mokhachane spoke pure fluent SETSWANA not ENGLISH,AFRIKAANS or NDEBEL etc obviously wen he gave birth to MOSHOESHOE he was still a MOTSWNA not wat you are claiming.. weda you are denying this thats not the point,but the trueth cant be challenged unfortunatly...and im still repeating that MOSHOESHOE come from BATSWANA including BAPEDI ...this two tribes are our children and they know that in there hearts...allow urself a time to research a little bit fo ur own sake.
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Cl!ck-
@ GalfrendI'm going to ignore you..
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SWEETYK
@GalfrendIyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my chomiest, lavo, frendo, Lala ke sharp wena?
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SWEETYK
Sneijder@SweetyK
I am glad o grand...ke rata lingo ya gago grand grand o mo tlhobo mang?
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Ke mo Tswana mare ga ke kwatile ke nna moZulu. LOL
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Galfrend
Cl!ck - okay go ahead,im used to that..lol how are you?Sweety - ke grand my pumpkin just missed you sooooo bad.
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Seja-Bana
GO TO JAIL WENA, O SKA TLO RE TENA MO.Report Abuse
SWEETYK
@GalfrendI missed you 7 my frendo, did you see dipicture tsa Mnqumeninyana Lala?
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