DA-DBN-GUY

Pallo Pallo, it is not only the president that has destroyed the image and the dignity of the anc. It is all the corrupt and unsuited people in positions of power that have abused their office and the people they are supposed to serve.
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cornelius

Tjo, strong words, but Mr Jordan should not be so aloof himself, and should state his views on who inthe ANC can do the restoring.
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MissBhakajuju

okey Tat'u Jordan, so who do you want people to nominate ?? most of what you've stated is obvious, try something tangible.. so you thought Zuma, was a great candidate to replace Mbeki ?? Like Really ?? and you thought ANC wouldn't face what it is facing today ?? Please Tata !!


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Vhamsanda

In the rest of Africa there was only leader who had a vision did miracles in just one term. Mandela.
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Zabaragast

True, the office of the prez is a joke. I change the channel whenever he speaks, I bet you i'm not the only one.
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WarrenG

If we keep JZ on we keep the womanizer an uneducated fool who's bringing SA to it's waist (he brought it to it's knees long ago). If KM comes in, he'll bring back Julius and fukk the country up a bit more.
It's a lose lose situation. The only winning way is without the ANC. Simple.
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Showerhead

WarrenG I think you dont know KM he will not bring JM back not under his watch or he will strip the ANCYL and then all shall be members of the ANC in that way he has no position. The reason he does not want to work with Mbalula as Secretary should tell you that he disagree with this boys. Apart JZ agreed with this boys that he will serve one term now that his case is threatened by the DA court case he want to remain the president.

If KM get to a deal with him he will be recalled if he is to allow the NPA do their job and charge JZ again with all the evidence they collected spending 50 million
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Dieheart

@DA-DBN-GUY
Pallo Pallo, it is not only the president that has destroyed the image and the dignity of the anc. It is all the corrupt and unsuited people in positions of power that have abused their office and the people they are supposed to serve.
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True! As they say a fish rots from its head! There has been more corruption in the govt since JZ became pres than his predecessors tenure. How about change of ruling party than change of party leadership? If Zuma wins in Mangaung, we must vote for the opposition. If he looses, we can vote for the ANC as long as the leader is somebody with integrity and his crediblity is not questionable. It was a big mistake to let him lead when his integrity was in question. Remember the r.a.p.e case, the arms deal (Shaik family involvement) and yet the majority said he must be the pres?
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T.C.T

WarrenG

let it be a proof that education alone can not make one an intelligent person MUGABE the most educated pres in the world is our proof.....IF KM brings juju it will be nice to have someone who call a spade a spade who will keep ppl in there toes... im sure you dont want to see fakers pretending the whole term.......those who removed juju wer the ones who needed him before.ask urself why?
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RobinH

Ai Pallo: So tell us something we don't know. Here I was thinkng you were one of the few serious intellectuals in the upper echelons, and you come out with this oh-so-obvious "perception". Haibo.
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Cope

it is shocking that most of the provinces nominated Zuma. The ANC will make a grave mistake by re-electing Zuma, a mistake that will see them lose significant power. I for one will for the first time not vote ANC if Zuma is re-electated. Right now Zuma is very unpopular amongs the people and easily attacked by media and opposition because of his tainted image.Dr Pallo, why didnt you campaigne for presidency????
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Dieheart

@Cope
it is shocking that most of the provinces nominated Zuma. The ANC will make a grave mistake by re-electing Zuma, a mistake that will see them lose significant power. I for one will for the first time not vote ANC if Zuma is re-electated. Right now Zuma is very unpopular amongs the people and easily attacked by media and opposition because of his tainted image.Dr Pallo, why didnt you campaigne for presidency????
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I am with you bro 100% except for maybe that Dr. Jordaan is not a 'charismatic leader' and therefore won't be popular amongst the people on the ground. Perhaps somebody like Cyril...
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Nzumbululo

The difference between Mbeki and Zuma is that Mbeki can control & Zuma can be controlled. Mandela was more of a midfielder, organising, creating chances for others & in general he make things to happen.
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Mzigo

Zabaragast
True, the office of the prez is a joke. I change the channel whenever he speaks, I bet you i'm not the only one.
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Zabaragat,that is the beaut of democracy your decision not to watch the President on you TV set is ca be categorised as a 'freedom of choice', be rest assured you won't be persecuted for your choice or action,keep doing until you run out the battery on your TV remote control/Radio.

Coming to the issue of the presidency office being a joke well I am lost or its me who do not understand a joke as per say.

Coming to the article Pallo Jordan is only raising an opinion which I doubt his colleagues within the NEC will agree. As I have aluded to you in democray of whatever form you do get persecuted for raising an opinion but the article lacks the details Pallo is talking about.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Eish Palo, prepare to be fired.
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Catswhiskers

Not many people have anything good to say about the pres, and yet they are voting for him for a second term! The mind boggles.
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KeRataBasadi

Jah no, we literally cannot afford another Zuma presidency.
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Lord-Have-Mercy

There he goes, Pallo trying to jump into sinking ship of Captain Malema. Tokyo,Phosa, and Mashatile

Some people love commiting a political suicide.
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malemaforpresident

Zuma’s own actions have also stripped the office he holds of dignity
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Do we really have a President Jory?
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PhantomLimb

So Thabo Mbeki's perceived aloofness was enough to isolate him from the party and eventually led to him being recalled yet Zuma's blatant incompetence and corruption is not? What a country we live in.

Long Live Thabo Mbeki!!
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Phathuza

You supported Zuma but you knew theres was clound hanging over his head, rape charges, corruption , weddings and extra marital affairs but its amazing you thaught such person can hold a office with dignity
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KAWUKHONJWA

How dull it is to see the comments of such people like Pallo Jordan, Barney Pityane and Mbeki latey but they are just armchair thinkers, sitting in their comfortable office chairs, scanning newspaper,recitating what is written from the books'pages and peeping through the windows hoping something they can't get.

They must get their hands muddy, greasy, be in action,so to be realistic with life and your hope for a result maybe then will come. The old books' chapters are done, yet no productive result for Africa and new one must be in place,please academia mingle among the masses and free your hearts from bad wishing others.You will have healthy skin and body.

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Dandan

@WarrenG

The only winning way is without the ANC. Simple.
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reading your par you started well , only to mess with this above, if you say ANC must nt participate in the elections are you telling us we need to ban ANC like apartheid did , its sounds like you still have this poison of apartheid with you
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ShadesOfGrey

George Bernard Shaw once said that democracy is a process that ensures that we are ruled no better than we deserve to be, whilst Churchill famously remarked that the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Nowhere is this more apparent than in ZA. Democratically we could solve this mess very easily if only there was any resolve from the people to do so.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Dandan - No, we need to abolish the ANC, like the apartheid government was.
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Tasto

“For many in the ANC, Jacob Zuma’s election promised relief from the managed internal democracy of Mbeki’s incumbency,” he wrote.

Pallo plse even you included you were hellbent to settle personal score with Mbeki we know that is the fact don't come here with your B.S keep it to yourself you also contributed largely to this mess u are part and parcel now you want to play Holy than thou!!

Get the fcuk out here or keep quiet! You lost didn't get any ministerial position your ethnicity played against you deal with we don't want to hear you keep your opinion to yourself!
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PapaKamo03

I think this tendency of raising issues in the media is against the culture of the ANC, Pallo might not be in favour of JZ serving a second term but he should not make statements that attack the sitting President of his own political party publicly. Such behaviour does nothing but fuel discontentment and divisions within the organisation. From a man who has been lauded in the ANC to have a highly intellectual mind..you disappointed me Mr Jordan!
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warry

It is personal Paolo we understand. Only Chris Hani saved you from the jaws of imbokodo headed by Zuma in exile on suspicions of being a spy. Comrades who are corrupt don't have power in the ANC.
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Lord-Have-Mercy

I told you and I still tell you, you are nowhere closure to be ANC supporter without mentioning membership. Jacob Zuma has been the first President from the ANC who stood up against corruption, it doesnt start and end with Malema so many people have been fired by Zuma claiming to be buddies of the President the likes of Cele,Shiceka,Nyanda etc who work hard for Zuma on the way to Polkwane.

The regime of Thabo Mbeki which was clouded by tribalism never took action against Bosasa's contract, Smuth Ngonyama on Vodacom deal, PetroSA scandal, Phumzile Ngcukas brother etc. I am referring here of multi billion deals sealed in the dark corners.

The findings of Madonsela that led to expulsion of Shicela should be applied the same to Malema, without favour, fear and prejudice.


My lesson to you, be a member of the ANC , attend branch meetings in order to avoid being misled by prophet of doom and gloom, in the branches its where we ere groomed politically.


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Dandan

!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - No, we need to abolish the ANC, like the apartheid government was.
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I suggest Mugabe laid a benchmark how to cleanse settlers
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Lehido

Its not Zuma alone, Its the entire ANC under Zuma's leadership...Its the ANC members who are scared to voice their disapovals of him, the quietness....Thats what got us into this mess.....

Zuma has been a kak-maker from the day he as elected, you said nothing...Its too late to beep the joke
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Dandan - Mugabe laid the benchmark for how to f*** up a country. Look at them now, using the currency of a country they h@te. Begging the west to drop sanctions on them, while receiving food and supply aid from them. Bob groveling to his neighbours for money to support his own country. 95% unemployment...
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Dandan

!!!Sinudeity!!!


the land in Zim is owned by bla.ck emerging farmers and they are doing wonderfully , the loan by SA will boast their productivity
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Dandan - "the land in Zim is owned by bla.ck emerging farmers and they are doing wonderfully"

Propaganda my friend. They had a bumper crop last year, which equals to about 50th of the size of bumper crops from the past. They still cant feed the few Zimbabweans remaining in the country.


"Minister of Agriculture Joseph Made said a third of the country’s planted crop for the 2012 season was a write-off, since farmers did not have irrigation systems and were too poor to buy required inputs on time."


1.5 million people need food aid in Zimbabwe.
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RobinH

Dandan, when last were you in Zim? Have you EVER been there, as it appears to me that you are speaking out of the wrong orifice?

And with regard to "settlers" How many generations of your family have been in your area? The settler rhetoric is just so stale and ridiculous. Were you even around at the time of the struggle? I very much doubt it, as you sound like a laaitie.
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Nwanawamukalaha

So short and to the point cde Pallo Jordan.

It's with those within the ANC NEC to be vocal like Jordan to show the public what is realy happening behind the closed doors and tell it like it is. If more NEC members show unhappiness with Msholozi as a president, we at the ground will have strong babckbone to make sure that our cries are heard.

Zuma is just a peace of discarded Nokia 5110 which was never completed to be used by the public.
No calculator
No memory
No Calendar
but surprisingly, the unit is full of games (snakes, pac-man,etc,) whic are not stored anywhere but are on the screen.
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E'FREE

Palo, Mbeki this Mbeki that, i didnt expect ths trash from you, with PhD under your belt.
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Showerhead

Lord-Have-Mercy
You must be really have one pin not still tide in the head, Zuma did what? He is the most corrupt leader and corruptable as said by the court. Do you want use to tell you hu?

1. Mabuza the most corrupt Zuma supporter
2. EC the corruption there is huge and nothing I mean nothing is done to the PEC because they support him 1 billion going to families of officials and you want to talk about Malema's 52million?

3. The killings in Kzn for butter

4. The Gupters

Political Suicide will be commited by ANC delegates who think voting Zuma will be in the best interest of the party. Ppl dont vote blindly yes they will win Mpumalanga and Kzn but they will lose big. We want change not DA but change. remember its the number of seat you win that determines if you are employed as members of ANC Mps
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Tasto

@E'FREE
Palo, Mbeki this Mbeki that, i didnt expect ths trash from you, with PhD under your belt.

Mbeki is not a small fry, he rules beyond the "grave"!!
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ShadesOfGrey

All the presidents horses
and all the presidents men
Couldn't bring dignity to ANC again...
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E'FREE

@Tasto
this Palo likes to compare himself with Mbeki, wher is this Palo kakade ngoku, somebody tel me.
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Nwanawamukalaha

E'FREE
@Tasto
this Palo likes to compare himself with Mbeki, wher is this Palo kakade ngoku, somebody tel me.
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Can't you read - he's the ANC NEC member currently.
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Tasto

@E'FREE
@Tasto
this Palo likes to compare himself with Mbeki, wher is this Palo kakade ngoku, somebody tel me.

Recently saw him looked frail and limping and hope he is not becoming demented!!
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Lungu

Thanks for this powerfull words, but let me correct you on one thing the ANC must just ship out of our government they have done enough we need a new party to govern this country as messy as it is currently worse than in the apartheid error.
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McLoving

Come on Sowetan this article is incomplete.I was still enjoying to read then you cut it short.There is no way such an interesting article like this ever eneded this way.

Sowetan stop playing games with us.Let the person who wrote this article complete it.I am protesting here,or has some one copie.d and paste.d it and ran out of the space,top lace the whole article?
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Zabaragast

Mzigo

His personal life contradicting govt policy, govt's failure to act against close to him(Aurora),
Poor poor poor legislation like the traditional courts bill.

I think the NEC would agree with Pallo if they were to be honest. I don't think we've ever had govt people or the ANC explaining the stuff they've had to explain regarding a sitting president.
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E'FREE

im leaving, im going to Australia.
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ChampRef

Oho le wena Pallo! Ka nnete mare gegotlo voutiwa ke utlwa ditaba, le dimumu di simolla go ithuta go bua. When last did we hear this Oupa talking, ag sies maan, tlogelang Zuma maan.
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Mashokaatlabo74

I dont understand why there are peopel out there who still think that the outgoing zuma must be a president again. Since he used his tactical skill to take over from Tbose, SA africa turned to have lost direction and became a real banana republic. We need a president who will respect all South African's culture and image. We dont want a president who will be having a lean approach and focus only on marrying every year. He will never have my vote on the coming election. Lets all go and cast our votes for K Motlanthe, we dont know if he will aslo step on the same direction. Juju man will one day become a president though the there are some hanging clounds. After mangaung he will be a full member of ANC. The report from Madonzela about the on point company is just the speculations and trying to impress zuma. We are all given oppurtunity to express our views and be listned. She is just expressing her frustration because of the unlwaful and illeterate insturction she is receiving from jz. A president who governs the country by dictating leadrship, who fails to resolve issues for his citizen by sending soldires and police to kill.
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Phuphethakatha

I don't care about ANC's credibilty. All I care about is our lovely country. We have a choice, keep ANC and lose the country to the dogs or kick ANC out and preserve our country, our values and our resources.(I hope I don't sound like a politician). The ANC of John L Dube, Albert Luthuli, OR Tambo , Nelson Mandela must be kept in a museum now. It's time for another party to rule, the liberation movement failed to rule like it happened in the rest of the continent.
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McLoving

@Tasto
That is too harsh.You have no mercy at all.Pallo was just stating facts.The other thing, is this article doesn't have a conclusion.
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DA-DBN-GUY

E'FREE
im leaving, im going to Australia

Received my visa yesterday!!!
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Kone

The rot in the party is deepening everyday, as long as Zuma is in office,We need another Morogoro conference fro retrospection, unless we can kiss our revolution goodbye!......
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ChampRef

@Tasto
@E'FREE
@Tasto
this Palo likes to compare himself with Mbeki, wher is this Palo kakade ngoku, somebody tel me.

Recently saw him looked frail and limping and hope he is not becoming demented!!

Really, u buyaphi? He must just go and take care of himself, we only live once, soon he will be declared dead nge heart attack.
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Papage

If he has a concious, he will step down in Mangaung, can you imagine if he get re-elected, then we gona stuck with him for more 5 years?
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Jajaja

Dr Jordaan u r so bloody correct, but why can't u vote the iliterate out ? You are all voices of reason and educated, but yet allowing yourselves to be led by a herd-boy. What is the problem with your thinking Doc ? If you are going to retain the idiot in Mangaung, only your mistresses will vote you back into powre. The country can't stand another five years of embarassment, governance full of mistakes day-in-day-out. We have had enough. Show your wisdom as NEC and vote the ABET drop-out in Mangaung with all his opportunists surrounding him, especially Ace Magashule and Blade "Goaty-Voice" Nzimande.
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E'FREE / DA-DBN-GUY - Cowards! Stay and fight!
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McLoving

It looks like everyone who is anti Zuma,or disagreeing with Zuma gets all the lambasting on this blog,What happened to the freedom of speech?.The freedom of speech applies not only to the pro-zumas but to all of us.
Zuma is a mess,who has brought shame to this country.Those people who still believe that zuma should have a second term do not love SA.

Helen Zille must prepare herself to become the next president. DA has my vote.
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ChampRef

Ag McLoving! o tswa kae mare yeh?
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LeparaThePresident

And what about collective leadership? zuma is a disgrace, point taken, then if all his NEC, NWC and top six are not saying anything , but waiting for comferences for election. then all of them are a disgrace.
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Dieheart

I'd rather be ruled by a whiteman who has my interest at heart than by my fellow african brother whose only interest is self enrichment and those around him! Let the ballot paper be the deciding factor!
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paracute

heela wena Poulo wa Joretane, stop pretending to be a saint here you are no better here, aren't you one of theANC's NEC members?
surely you are part of the governing structure and you trying to sell them out, that we know and that's how all of you operate. Just Like RobinH who sold his newborn grandson out even before he opened his eyes.
if i was into politics I'd vote advocate Thuli Madonsela in for she knows and understand the law and the constitution.
Hellen Zulle/ZIma Yena since a jola le the number one, she's no longer interested in what 's happening in the country all that she cares about nou die laas is sy groot huis in Nkandla net na sy die president getrou het. watch the space.
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Bebesocs

@Robin..Ai Pallo so tell us something we don't know...at least he has come out and tell us something obvious instead of keeping quiet, unlike Mantashe, Nzimande who do not want to face the truth instead they tell the most obvious s.h.i.t that we are Irish coffe, Pallo himself is stuck in the same rut we are stuck, he cannot tell us that who to vote or what to do. Read inbetween lines.
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Nwanawamukalaha

DA-DBN-GUY
E'FREE
im leaving, im going to Australia

Received my visa yesterday!!!
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Greetings to Charles Dempsy....................
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msizi

Our president slept with an HIV + woman, so the spear might be HIV + right ??? .... I have never seen or heard people saying this
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McLoving

@ChampRef

Hey lovings ..how are u my cupcake..Oh baby! I am in a romantic mood,,are you in a mood for some uuu!laalaa!
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MicaParis

This primitive ancient middle aged troglodyte is still living in his own fantastic world, wake up Pallo, this is new South Africa! He sound like having spend at list the past six years in planet ''mars'', get a life punk!
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MommaC

Pallo, are you trying to convince us that you have only woken up to this now and that you were not part of the machinery which has created this scenario?
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oldlady12

Guys, can't we just give JZ another R200mil or so in exchange for him disappearing gently into the night?
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Ruudboy

while majority of whites vote DA the majority of blacks will vote ANC irrespectiv of the leader, as 4 mr Jordaan I agree with u 100%
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Gusheshe

@All

Time for change anc has screwed us lets give DA the chance to change our depleted country for where its used to b during Mbeki s tenure and i kno change is a painful thing but for me i never voted for the Showerman bt instead i voted for Lekota and he F**cked up
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Tasto

@MommaC
Pallo, are you trying to convince us that you have only woken up to this now and that you were not part of the machinery which has created this scenario?

His drinking buddies are dying left&rite he is confused in his little world!!
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MommaC

oldlady12

I can think of cheaper options.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Gusheshe
@All

Time for change anc has screwed us lets give DA the chance to change our depleted country for where its used to b during Mbeki s tenure and i kno change is a painful thing but for me i never voted for the Showerman bt instead i voted for Lekota and he F**cked up
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As blacks, we rather focus on mending our divided ANC than give DA a chance.
Do you wanna see the whole of Mzansi quarelling like the WC regarding structural service delivery? What's gonna happen if the metrpolitan municipality is home to more black than whites?
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McLoving

@Rudboy

It doesn't mat ter which pe ople of colou.r vote for what.We need wi.depsread votin g.If AN C wins,then we need to form a coal ition govern ment to ensure that ANC doesn't ru le this coun try again,espec ially if Zum a is the candi da te.We are going to ens ure that ANC does not tas te victory again.

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Tasto

@Nwanawamukalaha - disgruntled anc is causing all the fracas afta their leader said anc does not need coloured vote!!Evevn african are voting DA in large numbers !!

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Domkopp

Pallo is a domkop.

The reason I like Obama so much is that he pinpoints a problem...but also offer some kind of a solution to the problem. Pallo's article does not even suggests who the next leader of the riddicled ANC should be.
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mjimara

Ntate Pallo is supposed to be a communist (SACP) cum ANC and he dares to say this out loud! I plaud him. But he should brace himslef for Gwede's and Blade's responses. These two are cowards though.

I agree that JZ may have dented and soiled futher the office of president both in the ANC and in government. JZ knows discontent that members had about TM and he (JZ) aggravated the situation by allowing corruption and disregard for proper governabce and ethics to continue under his watch. For example, the education crisis, the watergate scandal involving Ms Nkonyeni et al, Cele saga, his conduct of his private life, and now the upgrade at his residence, etc.

One can only partly blame JZ for this mess but the voters also have a role in all of this. The voters at ANC congress in December and the general public for voting ANC at 2014 general elections.

As to Mkhuluwa, he does not have the guts - I'm sure if it was Zuma he would have celebarted at the news that some provinces would like him to take the presidencey of the ANC.
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Domkopp

Dieheart
I'd rather be ruled by a whiteman who has my interest at heart than by my fellow african brother whose only interest is self enrichment and those around him! Let the ballot paper be the deciding factor!
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Don't you ever think, even in your wildest dreams that there a white man out there with your interst at his heart. Wake up NlGGA...you are Black, you are hated, you are cursed. NlGGA!!!!!!!
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Nwanawamukalaha

Tasto
@Nwanawamukalaha - disgruntled anc is causing all the fracas afta their leader said anc does not need coloured vote!!Evevn african are voting DA in large numbers !!
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Lost Africans who don't know what DA's agenda is. As long as it's Africa, a white-run political organisation does not deserve any leverage to rule considering how Africa suffered under their rule.

You'll never hear of any black majority political party in western or european countries trying to impose themselves for presidency knowing very well that they don't belong there.

Just imagine a Nigerians-led party running for presidency in Australia or UK.................(Thought for life to you)
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Flemza

How did the actions of Zuma stripped the dignity of the office of the president , what has Zuma done Palo please tell us we want to know , or you are saying Zuma should not practice his culture , to marry more than one wife this is what Zuma did , and in Zulu culture this practice is highly acceptable , so what actions are you talking about, highlight us
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Nwanawamukalaha - What about Obama?
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Nwanawamukalaha

Flemza
How did the actions of Zuma stripped the dignity of the office of the president , what has Zuma done Palo please tell us we want to know , or you are saying Zuma should not practice his culture , to marry more than one wife this is what Zuma did , and in Zulu culture this practice is highly acceptable , so what actions are you talking about, highlight us
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I would love to think of you as an intelligent person but the fact that you are asking a question you know what cde Pallo Jordan is referring to leaves much to be desired.

How do you rate Zuma as a president and leader?
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Tasto

@Nwanawamukalaha
Tasto
@Nwanawamukalaha - disgruntled anc is causing all the fracas afta their leader said anc does not need coloured vote!!Evevn african are voting DA in large numbers !!
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Lost Africans who don't know what DA's agenda is. As long as it's Africa, a white-run political organisation does not deserve any leverage to rule considering how Africa suffered under their rule.

You'll never hear of any black majority political party in western or european countries trying to impose themselves for presidency knowing very well that they don't belong there.

Just imagine a Nigerians-led party running for presidency in Australia or UK.................(Thought for life to you)

Just filling u on WC, don't even go to Australia or UK soon a Nigerian will take Hilbrow ward or Parklands in WC then JHB&CT as they always say SAns ARE STUPPIT !!
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Nwanawamukalaha

!!!Sinudeity!!!
Nwanawamukalaha - What about Obama?
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I'm dissapointed in you. Obama is like Maimane and Lindiwe Mazibuko in DA............
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Nwanawamukalaha

Tasto

Just filling u on WC, don't even go to Australia or UK soon a Nigerian will take Hilbrow ward or Parklands in WC then JHB&CT as they always say SAns ARE STUPPIT !!
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We talking politics here and not illegal invasions.
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Ruudboy

@McLoving
It doesn't mat ter which pe ople of colou.r vote for what.We need wi.depsread votin g.If AN C wins,then we need to form a coal ition govern ment to ensure that ANC doesn't ru le this coun try again,espec ially if Zum a is the candi da te.We are going to ens ure that ANC does not tas te victory again.
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I dont have a problem with the ANC I am an ANC supporter myself but we have to get rid of Zuma and his corrupt cronies to restore intergrity and restore Pride in the party.
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Tasto

@Nwanawamukalaha
Tasto

Just filling u on WC, don't even go to Australia or UK soon a Nigerian will take Hilbrow ward or Parklands in WC then JHB&CT as they always say SAns ARE STUPPIT !!
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We talking politics here and not illegal invasions.

What illegal invasions, I heard some of this protest got nothing to do with service delivery guess & beleive it plse TRADITIONAL LEADERSHIP most of these ppl just came from EC eventhough EC is broad formwer Ciskei&Transkei the jury is still out wait&C !!
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Ruudboy

Nwanawamukalaha
Tasto
@Nwanawamukalaha - disgruntled anc is causing all the fracas afta their leader said anc does not need coloured vote!!Evevn african are voting DA in large numbers !!
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Lost Africans who don't know what DA's agenda is. As long as it's Africa, a white-run political organisation does not deserve any leverage to rule considering how Africa suffered under their rule.

You'll never hear of any black majority political party in western or european countries trying to impose themselves for presidency knowing very well that they don't belong there.

Just imagine a Nigerians-led party running for presidency in Australia or UK.................
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Well said my man....
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Nwanawamukalaha - Obama (minority) is president of the US. So, even in South Africa, a white person can become president. If not, remember how the US civil war started? No taxation without representation. So, your example used is silly. Of course a minority can lead the country, or become the president.

The 1st woman president in SA, will be from the DA. I can guarantee you that.
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Tasto

@Ruudboy
Nwanawamukalaha
Tasto
@Nwanawamukalaha - disgruntled anc is causing all the fracas afta their leader said anc does not need coloured vote!!Evevn african are voting DA in large numbers !!
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Lost Africans who don't know what DA's agenda is. As long as it's Africa, a white-run political organisation does not deserve any leverage to rule considering how Africa suffered under their rule.

You'll never hear of any black majority political party in western or european countries trying to impose themselves for presidency knowing very well that they don't belong there.

Just imagine a Nigerians-led party running for presidency in Australia or UK.................
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Well said my man....

Plse Americans have a Kenyan ruling not just US but the WORLD even yoyr asses nina !!
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Gusheshe

@Nwanawamukalaha
As blacks, we rather focus on mending our divided ANC than give DA a chance.
Do you wanna see the whole of Mzansi quarelling like the WC regarding structural service delivery? What's gonna happen if the metrpolitan municipality is home to more black than whites?
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For how long are we going to mend anc bra? the infighting inside the movement tells us that its time for change cause nothing better will ever happen with anc cause all the top 6 are gunning for the presidency and they only have one thing in their mind which is" i want to be rich as guick as i can before my term end" Cope was an alternative party but they screwed up so DA is the alternative and i dnt think they will do what u said above shud they run the country cause majority of blacks are inside the party
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Nwanawamukalaha - Just imagine a black-led party running for presidency in the US.



Oh wait...
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swona

I hate it when people keeps on thinking that mbeki was the greates leader to ever lead the ANC, yes he was educated and well travelled and exposed to the modern world's way of doing things, but most of troubles that the country is facing now was the result of his tribalistic, selfisness and arrogance, just imagine his lack of leadership in Transnet, Eskom, AIDS, SAA, Zuma issues and many more stupid or lack of decisions that, that man failled to show leadership!
should Mbeki has been man enough to aproach Ramaphosa though he was not his favourite person after his second term to come on board and position him to be the ANC president, all this BS abo Yengeni, the malema's, the mabuzas the mathales should have been eliminated, mbeki was a reason a barbarian in zuma was given a platform to shine, and zuma forgets that he was a compromised selection, if I were him, I would not wait for the compromise to be removed and I am found wanting, I would play my cards right, if anyone can ascend by himself to win against zuma, he might go to prison, but if someone ascend with zuma's blessings, chances are he might leave hapily after in Nkandla with his four wifes and few gfs!
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Nwanawamukalaha - PS, your examples are quite silly. Nigerians wouldnt be allowed to run for presidency anywhere in the world, except Nigeria. Unless of course they are CITIZENS of that country, in which case they wouldnt be Nigerians anymore, but Australians or Britons.
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CYBORICO

@DA-DBN-GUY
Pallo Pallo, it is not only the president that has destroyed the image and the dignity of the anc. It is all the corrupt and unsuited people in positions of power that have abused their office and the people they are supposed to serve.


who would have thought that the day will come when u, DBN guy will say the truth without mixing it with how u feel, this is tha shi& right there my man, hate them all u like but dont make them influence how u reach your conclution, facts only are needed when concluding bout somthng.
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E'FREE

I got my passport yesterday, if this thing becomes my President, this country will be declared a banana Republic by this time next year.

two years back we have people saying SA is zimbambwe in the making, comrades analysists i now fully agree with you.

There is no leader in this goverment.
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Nwanawamukalaha

!!!Sinudeity!!!
Nwanawamukalaha - Obama (minority) is president of the US. So, even in South Africa, a white person can become president. If not, remember how the US civil war started? No taxation without representation. So, your example used is silly. Of course a minority can lead the country, or become the president.

The 1st woman president in SA, will be from the DA. I can guarantee you that.
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If white, that person should be from ANC or any black-led ruling party. Obama is under a white-run Democratic Party which formed in 1792 (old) or 1892 (modern) and somehow he's the first black president of both the party and USA. IIt won't be a shock if at some point , we see a white person leading ANC. Something i doubt since none seems to be credible for that stature.

Derek Hanekom is a sell-out, he's singing Zuma's praises.
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Kone

In the next to distance future, the ANC will produce a woman president, Right now the focus is bridge the gap between the rich and the power, and reverse the leagcy of our ugly history.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Nwanawamukalaha - Sorry dude, the ANC aint gonna last long. The ANC is too racist anyways to even consider a white leader. We are now staring at the beginning of the end for the ANC. And its sad, seeing as how it just made its 100th bday :P

Face it, Lithuli house is on fire and we dont need no water, let the motherf***er burn.


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Nwanawamukalaha

!!!Sinudeity!!!
Nwanawamukalaha - PS, your examples are quite silly. Nigerians wouldnt be allowed to run for presidency anywhere in the world, except Nigeria. Unless of course they are CITIZENS of that country, in which case they wouldnt be Nigerians anymore, but Australians or Britons.
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It's not silly at all considering that you forced yourselves into ruling South Africa and did as you pleased with blacks. Who would give a decendant of that apartheid regime to rule again considering that - history always repeats itself?

True, since you were born here, you are South Africans deservedly but the apartheid system and its orchestrators (who happen to be boe'res/whites) ruined the chances of that (ruling) happening again in a solo (white-led party) mission.


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CYBORICO

peopel like climbing a ladder from the back side, shooting the dude on top of the ladder doesnot mean u r guaranteed to b the next one up(what clever juju thought will b the case), most people ar capable of noting the wrongs within the current gov, but the utterances about the president dont make gov's failors anyworse than we already know.
the gov works on deligated powers, but everytime there is a f.uck up we ignore the real f.uck ups and go straight for the cabinet members, why, why mense, because we want to be seen as brave? we can insult the president anyway we like? is this the stuff that makes men out of boys? is it ok to personally attack the big man , shouldnt we attck only his conducts due to the position he holds?
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E'FREE

@!!!!Sinudeity!!!!!

u ar right, why cannt these racist morons give Trevor Manual a chance in Mangaung, why?
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Nwanawamukalaha

!!!Sinudeity!!!
Nwanawamukalaha - Sorry dude, the ANC aint gonna last long. The ANC is too racist anyways to even consider a white leader. We are now staring at the beginning of the end for the ANC. And its sad, seeing as how it just made its 100th bday :P

Face it, Lithuli house is on fire and we dont need no water, let the motherf***er burn.
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Leave ANC problems to us supporters who happen to be let down by zuma for now.

You can puke slime or white saliva (if there is) but Luthuli House is just facing political challnges which will be overcome with time.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!

Nwanawamukalaha - The apartheid excuse is starting to wear thin now :P

Your kids and their kids wount have a clue about apartheid, it will merely be a history lesson. Its just a problem with apartheid relics, such as yourself.

Then again, even TCT is going on about how he struggled during apartheid, and he's a freeborn :P
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CYBORICO
peopel like climbing a ladder from the back side, shooting the dude on top of the ladder doesnot mean u r guaranteed to b the next one up(what clever juju thought will b the case), most people ar capable of noting the wrongs within the current gov, but the utterances about the president dont make gov's failors anyworse than we already know.
the gov works on deligated powers, but everytime there is a f.uck up we ignore the real f.uck ups and go straight for the cabinet members, why, why mense, because we want to be seen as brave? we can insult the president anyway we like? is this the stuff that makes men out of boys? is it ok to personally attack the big man , shouldnt we attck only his conducts due to the position he holds?
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No one has ever insulted Zuma in his personal capacity as an individual but it's been about his maladministration of the highest office - the parliament.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!
Nwanawamukalaha - The apartheid excuse is starting to wear thin now :P

Your kids and their kids wount have a clue about apartheid, it will merely be a history lesson. Its just a problem with apartheid relics, such as yourself.

Then again, even TCT is going on about how he struggled during apartheid, and he's a freeborn :P
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You can chose to engrave apartheid the way you like but it's a reality of the past and you cannot wipe it out. If my son 4years is back from kindagarten school which is multiracial talks about "that white boy beat me and my Indian friend helped me fight him), what and how do you think the apartheid thing will come to pass. The problem is, you whites identify people based on their skin colour instead of humans. It's a golbal problem and mostly whites are practicing that.
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CYBORICO

a frind once said, we should leave the libraries and tar roads out of the service delivery protests and go b.urn the houses of the corrupt tender board guys, and burn all the property of the contarctor who builds the people below par infrastracture, as they r the once who benefits from corrupt use of our tax money, i guess he was right, we just like misdirecting our anger as SA people. The people who fail to represent the anc gov are the people at operational level, the municipalities, the provincial gov departments. right now millions dissapear at finence units of gov departments but the blame goes to Zuma, com on now mense we can do better.

the way we hate the president, we even celebrate when some f.ool paints him naked? jesus this country
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sinudeity

kikikiki stop exagerating i never said that,but the apartheid system still impact in majority of africans,,,coloured wer the 2nd class they are not yet in that stage or level our ppl xprnsed maybe mmmhh after 20 yrs
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MicaParis

Cope
it is shocking that most of the provinces nominated Zuma. The ANC will make a grave mistake by re-electing Zuma, a mistake that will see them lose significant power. I for one will for the first time not vote ANC if Zuma is re-electated. Right now Zuma is very unpopular amongs the people and easily attacked by media and opposition because of his tainted image.Dr Pallo, why didnt you campaigne for presidency????
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ANC is here to stay baba, deal with it or get used to it, now a move is to merge all cape provinces in order to get western cape back in to our pockets! Zuma is still going to be at the helm for at list 10 more years!
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Tasto

@MicaParis
Cope
it is shocking that most of the provinces nominated Zuma. The ANC will make a grave mistake by re-electing Zuma, a mistake that will see them lose significant power. I for one will for the first time not vote ANC if Zuma is re-electated. Right now Zuma is very unpopular amongs the people and easily attacked by media and opposition because of his tainted image.Dr Pallo, why didnt you campaigne for presidency????
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ANC is here to stay baba, deal with it or get used to it, now a move is to merge all cape provinces in order to get western cape back in to our pockets! Zuma is still going to be at the helm for at list 10 more years!


Too ghast to contemplate what a HORROR !!
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CYBORICO

@Nwanawamukalah
No one has ever insulted Zuma in his personal capacity as an individual but it's been about his maladministration of the highest office - the parliament.


u see what i am talking about, we r a very angry nation, we even forget our own conducts and utterances, we comment while we r angry and never first think about what we want to say. the dude has been personaly attacked since he came in as president,
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T.C.T - Difference here is the black government is treating its people like 2nd rate citizens, and then merely blame apartheid.


Nwanawamukalaha - Times they are a changin'. I would have agreed with you, but the problem is the ANC is f***ing up royal. The DA is going to win alot of new votes in the next election.
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CYBORICO

@Sinudeity
The DA is going to win alot of new votes in the next election.

man give yourself a brake, u cant dream the same dream evrynite maan, sometimes it has to b nightmares, wetdreams and so on, looks like your "dream player" has a scratch n keep repeating the same stuff over and over
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CYBORICO - Hehe, dont worry dude. Its good that the ANC doesnt think the DA will win lots of voters in the next election. South Africa needs you to be off your guard. You need to be unaware and disconnected from the realities of South Africa. You need to believe that everything is rosy.

That way you wount do anything about the million or so voters your party will lose to the DA :P
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CYBORICO

@E'FREE
im leaving, im going to Australia

back in the day when i was far left, i used to be happy when people said they were leaving, i even went to extremes of believing the anc is doing operation dromedaries(same as mugabe's land distribution policy) the difference being the anc was using inteligent ways of geting the dromedaries full for its first voyage back to europe, but i have since changed and hate people like u who when the going gets taugh, they scram. Europe or overseas has its own problems bro, lets hold hands and seek our own solution
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KHABZO

***EACH ONE, TEACH ONE****

Q U O T E: 'Zuma's actions have stripped the office he holds of dignity'

SENTENCE FRAGMENTATION, consequently, meaning lost: Zuma doesn't hold the office , "of dignity"

Post scriptum: Futhi ke, such an office doesn't exist.


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Chabella

@Nwanawamukalaha, just be glad your kids kindergarden still has textbooks ! I see the ANC is now forced, after 3rd court battle, to provide textbooks before 15 December for this year. Will it be the fault of apartheid if those kids dont manage to pass matric and further their studies ? at what point do the ANC start taking repsonsibility for their actions and at what point do we start making them accountable at the ballot box ?? The DA already has more black members than white. After Hellen they will have a black leader. They aint perfect, but they are much better than the ANC.
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Chabella
do not compare a vehicle thats 8 yrs in production to one thats still a consept car, concept cars always look great but someof their features are impractical, so the DA might look like a solution right now but lord knows what they will do once in power
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The ANC needs to elect a president that will repair the party’s credibility and dignity, says national executive committee member Pallo Jordan
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I didn't know that even nec members are aware of this. Mr Jordan, you all dont have power to remove JZ. You are all scared to death of him.
Voters like me have the power to squash the dream of who ever is anc president not to become a leader of this country. Simple! by voting for any party other than anc.
Then in 5years time after that, anc would be as good as nothing....non-existence.
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MicaParis

Tasto
@MicaParis
Cope
it is shocking that most of the provinces nominated Zuma. The ANC will make a grave mistake by re-electing Zuma, a mistake that will see them lose significant power. I for one will for the first time not vote ANC if Zuma is re-electated. Right now Zuma is very unpopular amongs the people and easily attacked by media and opposition because of his tainted image.Dr Pallo, why didnt you campaigne for presidency????
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ANC is here to stay baba, deal with it or get used to it, now a move is to merge all cape provinces in order to get western cape back in to our pockets! Zuma is still going to be at the helm for at list 10 more years!

Too ghast to contemplate what a HORROR !!
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Is not a shock but a true reality that the ANC Branches are going to do!
Let me tell you Zuma will be re-elected unopposed, painful!? But yet a reality that you cannot run away from! Get used to it or go to ''mars''!
Anybody whose IQ is at room temperature cannot see that Zuma had already secured his second term!
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WESOTAN

well explained by KAWUKHONJWA
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wendyyah

the country cant deal with another embarrasing 5yrs of Zuma shower man leadership. he has disgraced the country in the worst ways ever experienced by a president of the country
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WESOTAN

Pallo Jordan was the first Minister to be recalled by former State President Mandela for incompetency nx! ,you cannt even be nominated for TOP SIX take your dissatisfaction to the NEC OF THE ANC media wont help you Dr.
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Mhambuma1

Another attention seeker in the form of Pallo. Where were you when Mbeki made us a laughing stock of the whole world through his stupid HIV/Aids policies, which he is now denying since he was recalled from office. Not a single word of condemnation from a self-righteous 'intellectual' like yoself. Now you're trying to score some cheap political (well known) points now that Mangaung is around the corner in order for Montlante to reward you with a cabinet post. Remember you failed long ago, thats why Mandela saw it fit to remove you from a ministerial position.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Bravo! Here is a sane and thinking man speaking! Bravo! ANC branches have to listen to this man and ignore some of the provincial leaders who are desperate to re-elect Jacob Zuma for their own personal interests and are trying very hard to take away the rights of ANC branches to elect the leadership of the ANC. It is a no-brainer that the re-election of Jacob Zuma will only boost fortunes of the DA and only serve the interests of corrupt elements in the ANC. I trust many ANC leaders will come out and support change. Where are you Cyril Ramaphosa? It is time to take a stand and forget about your own personal interests.
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skwamasamabele

a New ANC leadership is whats required
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Malungutoo

To the President of my country
Sir
With all due respect
There are a number of issues which are of grave concern to myself personally and therefore to many likeminded South Africans, regardless of race, colour or creed or religion.
Yes I am a white person ( umlungu) but if this disqualifies me from speaking my mind – you and the government have totally failed in the objective of equal rights and justice for all citizens.
ISSUES
#1 – When is the government going to stop blaming APARTHEID and take responsibility for its own actions and decisions? ( 18 years later )
#2 – When is corruption and fraud going to prosecuted to the full extent of the law?
#3 – When is the murder and rape of women and children going to be declared a capital offence?
#4 – When is AA and BEE going to stop so we can have the right people in the right jobs?
#5 – When will governmentally owned land be made available to the common folk so that we may establish our own homes?
And quickly to end on a more personal note –
#1 How many first world leaders sing and dance before making a speech?
# 2How many first world leaders have more than 1 wife?
Respectfully
A real South African
Frans

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Djembe

Mr Jordan a man of your callibre shouldn't come up with such a weak statement. The downfall of ANC is caused by the party itself. ANC was never and it will never be a one man show. Grid and selfishness by many indivisuals has made the party loose its dignity. You as one of the stalwartsof the ANC what have you done to save the party. Like always its nice to be a spectator and critisize. The problems facing SA cannot be solved by changing the president instead SA needs a united front to find solutions. So Pallo keep your hatred to yourself and enjoy your rich life wherever you are. You contributed a lot to our democracy and most of us do respect you.
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Djembe

@Malungu too

You are pretending to be white but your way of writing you don't sound white. A very short answer to you what Zuma does with his private life is none of our business, secondly Madiba also danced and it was no big deal, Clinton played saxophone the list goes on. Next time do a bit of research it will save you embarrassment.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

One thing is clear. THERE IS DESPERATION IN THE ZUMA CAMP. Now Zuma factionalists want us to believe that Mbalula now supports a second term for Jacob Zuma. This kind of dirty tricks really show that despite the bravado in the media by Zuma factionalists (and Zuma apologists such as Karima Brown), Jacob Zuma is not reassured of re-election in Mangaung. The only way Jacob Zuma can be re-elected is if he is not contested. In his desperation to get re-elected, Zuma (in his address to MKMVA) is now referring to fellow ANC members who are sick and tired of his leadership as "the enemy within". Now in desperation some Zuma factionalists have been planting stories in the media that Mbalula now supports Jacob Zuma to be re-elected. The Guptas' newspaper which supports the Zuma faction, which gives the Guptas control of the ANC via their proxies, is quick to give these stories credence and talks of dismay and disappointment in the ANC Youth League. That is hardly surprising coming from a newspaper which is desperate in its reports and editorials to change the leadeship of the Youth League. Desperation in the Zuma camp is also clear from COSATU's Sdumo Dlamini's calling upon MKMVA to use their expertise to deal with enemies of the revolution. One hopes that he is not calling upon his thugs to start killing ANC members. What expertise do MKMVA have except in killing. Zuma supporters in private discussions claim that Zuma will win with 55% majority against Motlanthe's 45%.Knowing their tendency to exaggerate and make false claims Zuma is unlikely to get 51% if contested. Despite the fact that Jacob Zuma supporters have tried to rig the outcome well in advance of Mangaung, Motlanthe is still going to win and it is going to be very close. The padding of membership in KZN, Freistata and Mpumalanga will become clear when ANC branches hold their branch general meetings and they cannot quorate. Afterall one cannot quorate with ghost members. It is important that Motlanthe supporters watch these brnaches and make sure that membership attendance registers are not rigged. Motlanthe will be good for the ANC, whereas Zuma win represents more of the same if not worse.

The YCLSA which has the temerity to comment on ANC election processes is also very desperate. It now claims that those agitating for change are weak links in the ANC. The Young Communist League itself is the weakest link as it only serves as a lobby for positions for people like Blade Nzimande. ANC branches have every right to exercise their democratic and constitutional right to elect leadership without being called names by Blade Nzimande's lapdogs. Every member of the ANC in good standing has every right to stand for election if nominated by ANC branches.
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