HA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
Spin spin spin, backpedal spin.
Sorry Z, I don't think many people believe you anymore. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tikoloshe
....Ok, well two years ago JZ was bumbing money off Shabby Sheik...now he can afford R 200 million renovations on his salary!!!!
Something doesn't add up here. If you look at the before and after photo's of Nkhandla Head Quarters, you think this could be built on our Presidents salary for two years? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
cornelius
" how then this was done I would not want to judge "
" it is what is regulated somehow "
How can this man be in charge of the largest economy in Africa and a country that needs wise efficient leadership ? Huh, how ?
Compare him with for example the Obama's, Cameron's, Merkel's of this world and hang your head in embarrasment. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Sifebe
The president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Printa
And he calls himself a president?!?!?! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@RobinH
HA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong.
Nee man next time wait 4me, just laugh(ha hah ha) at seeing this maar kan net se WOW some families are rich neh!! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tsek
“When people see my house on the TV, they must be thinking that government has built this for me. No. A large part of that... has been done by the family.
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Are u talkin bout ur cousin or wat wat(Khulubuse Zuma) whom you gave tenders?? Report Abuse
@ Sifebe
The president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why?
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the answer is we voted him in2 power, many were happy dat Thabo was removed in an unprecedented way. he was able to drop the charges brought upon him and all U C noW is the aftermath Report Abuse
i wish i was a cusin of Zuma or relative at this time, they are benfits Bathong Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
AMO
Eish, the president is embarrassing,,so our taxes are spent wastefully and the president is cool with it... this guy must just go.... Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Pheli-Marabi
Maar e pila .....jealous down.
This must be the luckiest niga in the whole wide world.
President.
Playboy mansion...beautiful by the way.nice taste.
5 wives .Every black mans dream....free at last.
what more can a black man want .
maybe he wakes up in the morning naked at the top of that hill and shouts Frrrreeeee at last Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Ment'o
Sinamanga les'lima se president, his family that stole from us through him. Ucabanga ukuthi isizwe sizovele sikholwe yilembude. If the ANC puts him back in December I will go to vote, but for another party. Report Abuse
Shame on you President, I am so embarrased, I use to protect you from all angles, but now I believe your timing on this renovations was wrong, this sound the same as Malema's Ratanang Trust, he also will say Ratanang is a Family and helped him to buy homes and farms all over. What lesson are you teaching the up and coming Leaders of the ANC? I am ashamed, so your sons and sons in Law assisted you to build this small heaven after they benefitted from wrongfull tenders? Arrest my case Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Blackstone.lebs
No. A large part of that... has been done by the family
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Is this thing trying to fool us or what?.....only taxi pilots will believe that kind of horse sh!t. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
Comon guys, this guy is related to 49mill SAns mos we are such ONE big family!!
Next time I see a naked child in the township would ask the question "Who is yr dayy, JZ ?" Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
malemaforpresident
So what if the head of state can put lies in a public domain who would we trust in this universe we want prove that the family put developments around the Nakandla hollywood empire this is what Thuli should investigate Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
E'FREE
come Mangaung this useless, stupid president wil be history, if he gets the second term he wont finish it. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
DJ-Winner
Good enough explaination for me.
That is why I have always been saying that people must wait for President to comment before they make noise.
Clearly all along people have been misinformed about this....
Zuma extended his home, department of public work provided security, which escalated the cost. Did Zuma demanded security? No. Must we blame him for a security given to him? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Phuphethakatha
Zuma, stop lying true your teeth ! You don't have a rich family than can pay for Nkandla NY. Khulubuse can't even pay mineworkers. And we taxpayers are not your family!!! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
If it's all so squeeky clean and above board, you wouldn't mind giving Thuli a look at the books now would you? Oh wait... Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
There are always loopholes in his speeches. Maybe it's because he never attended any class since he doesn't know that for every question one should give an answer of some sort. All he does is budge by the ministers.
The escalated value for renovations might be due to the large family he has, which is non of the tax payers' business but him and his family. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
tshililotshikota
its just R200million people. 200 people pay 1 mill and in return get fat government tenders, easy mathematics. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Zabaragast
What was the R200 million spent on then? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
DeOvi
lol, dats y i want u 4 2nd term.......u r so honest n trustworthy....... Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Lungu
You might be right but that just proves how stupit you are, were did that familly get the money or you mean your two corrupt sons? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Lehido
“I think the ministers have given the answers and if people want to pursue that, they’ll pursue it. I don’t question the security measures that government takes in relation to presidents, vice-presidents, ministers or MEC. It is what is regulated somehow. They have their own way of assessing the situation,” he said.
There has been a public outcry on the renovations of Zuma’s house, which were reported to cost over R200 million.
Zuma said he believed that because there was no supporting infrastructure in rural Nkandla, it would be more expensive to build security features there than in an urban area.
However, Zuma did not want to commit himself on the amount used to renovate his Nkandla private home.
“I would not want to comment or judge because these matters are handled by the ministers and the Auditor General. They know how the budgets are done, I can’t make myself an expert on those ones,” he said.
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REALLY NOW MR PRESIDENT?,,,YOU DONT ASK HOW YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE BEING RAN?...REALLY?
THIS MORON NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME....HE IS CLUELESS, EVEN MY 3 YEAR PLD SON IS BETTER THAN THIS SMURF Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
overthemoon
Is this some sick joke. or it is just a delayed April fools joke. I hate this man called shower head with passion. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@tshililotshikota - hele dag gister no one could help me to crunch the numbers, I heard abt DEptAgri R800m R582m and this albatros R230m now public waorks blame inflated prices !
did u use Scientific or non-scientific calaculator to get yr answer?
O bua masepe.. so ur conscience doesnt guide u gore upgrade of 200 million its jus too much... Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
1937
20:15 Bidvest Wits vs Kaizer Chiefs BIDVEST STADIUM
.....................Saturday, 20 October 2012
15:00 Free State Stars vs Golden Arrows GOBLE PARK STADIUM
15:00 Ajax Cape Town vs SuperSport United CAPE TOWN STADIUM
20:15 Black Leopards vs Orlando Pirates PETER MOKABA STADIUM
20:15 Maritzburg United vs Moroka Swallows HARRY GWALA STADIUM
.....................Sunday, 21 October 2012
15:00 Chippa United vs Bloemfontein Celtic PHILLIPI STADIUM
15:00 AmaZulu vs Platinum Stars SUGAR RAY XULU STADIUM
....................Tuesday, 23 October 2012
19:30 Mamelodi Sundowns vs Tuks FC LUCAS MASTERPIECES MORIPE
Someone please stop this man i just wonder where Barack Obama is staying but it wont be too much like this with his econimic super power behind him i dont think will make such madness someone just need to stop this man the sooner the better phela we are being screwed time in time out Report Abuse
Oh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Jajaja
The family which this ABET drop-out is refering to is the SA Tax Payer. Before he became the President, the only rich family member to him was Shabir, now everybody close to him is filthy rich, including the Motshega family. How do u explain the presence of Angie" Dental Formular" Motshega into RSA cabinet ? The coming generations is going to urinate on our (voters) graves for electing iliterate president into power. JZ is not only iliterate, but dangerous as well because he is leading the country astray and also looting. He has surrounded himself with very selfish people who only care about lining their pockets. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
DeOvi
@ least Zuma is doing sumthing 4 his home, wat did ur icon n mbeki do to their homes..........enjoy the benefits of being a president while it last Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
Comedians must be getting out of business given the JZ circus is going full steam ahead of mangaung perhaps Loyiso is surving from material supplied by JZ for his show LateNite withLoyiso!! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ntshontle
zumas place looks like a village in Swaziland Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Lungu
Were do you think you have expertise Mr President, i see no intellegence in you nor skills except for a thug who steal for millions without any remorse as you are voted in power, i remember telling ppl that if you can become the president of this country things will be messy and quese what no one believed me, i did not vote for you anyway but i'm suffering now because of those who put you in power. If i had money i was going to leave this country to seek future somewhere elese even Mozambique is better than this country, Zuma please step down and face your charges and leave those who can run and plan for this country be in power please.
On another note: did i hear him yesterday say that the property is not his but that of King Zwelethini?
So Zuma owns no property.................
Why spend money on a property which belongs not to you? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Mporoz
Some think because they have Degree’s or Diploma’s they are better than Mr President to an extent that they think whatever comes from him is nonsense. Don’t forget that education is the “key” but not the “only key” to success. I know and respect many people who didn’t see the Teacher but are rich and smarter than you “academics”
Education brings you to an average level but Talent (gift) takes you to the highest platform. Very few or None South Africans has set in the left hand of Pres. Obama except Pres. Zuma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys give our gov time the answers will follow shortly since there's a committee formed by ANC to get to the bottom of this cost dispute. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
E'FREE
ChampRef, im nt surpried becuase you're a woman.
hv u ever been to Qunu? dont come here with misguided tendencies. Mandela never used tax to build his home, Mandela never lied to us, Mandela was accountable, Mandela never directed questions to him.
during Mandela's tenure we all played by th same rules.
Qunu is an ordinary village like yours, electricity, schools, gravel road Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
DeOvi
ChampRef
Oh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi.
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Ma Champ, if motlanthe bcums president (through malema of cos), after a yr, re tlo kwa bare yena le malema ke di enemy....mark ma words Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
CYBORICO
RobinH
HA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong.
u r truly what u r, u even fail to understand a simple thing said, he had nothing to do with it, like i always say corrupt people are in the gov departments, most try to hide their corruption by initiating projects that can shift the blame or projects that will cover waste done somewhere else. i.e a report says the gov complex in nelspruit cost 113 million but a budget of 540 million was requested and approve, is it the doing of the premiar of mpumalanga? no its an official in the gov department who can b a member of DA, PAC or the anc.
people like robinh and his gang, with their lack of respect for black will come here and make propaganda sound like fact Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dieheart
Wait a minute sir. You are the owner of the house and yet you don't know how much it cost to renovate it? Ok, R203 m and R237 m have been mentioned in the media circles, which one is correct? If none of this, what is your figure and the correct one? I still say as the owner u shuh know. We ain't school kids who are gullible and always deceived by people like malema! What is the amount????????????? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
VENDALIOUS
i have no respect for this thing(zuma) Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
Mathematics:
1. Cost to put in place the current structures max R30m
2. Security system after being a president max R30m
Current state of both:
1. 90%
2. 75%
Renovations and upgrading of security:
1. R30m*10% = R3m (plus say R3m for escalation of materials in cost) = R6m
2. R30m*15% = R4,5m ((plus say R4,5m for escalation of materials in cost) R9m
Estimated cost of renovations and upgrading of securtity system should be ±R15m Report Abuse
why do i have a very hard time believing and buying that? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ChampRef
@E'FREE
ChampRef, im nt surpried becuase you're a woman.
hv u ever been to Qunu? dont come here with misguided tendencies. Mandela never used tax to build his home, Mandela never lied to us, Mandela was accountable, Mandela never directed questions to him.
during Mandela's tenure we all played by th same rules.
Qunu is an ordinary village like yours, electricity, schools, gravel road
Mandela built a R200m house for Graca Machel, so what? Ag soka, tlogelang Zuma, batho ba ba tshwana. The fact that they think someone will be better than him, they start making all this allegations, and the so called supporters of malema. I forsee trouble, @DeOvi, watch the space, a day after mangaung, Malema tlabe a lwantsha Motlanthe are o jele chelete. Haeye maan, no one is better here.
This iliterate is a habitual liar. He does not care when he lie whether u believe him or not. The busienssmen where all listening to him, giggling and hoping to get tenders, whilst knowing that he is telling them lies. I have never came across such a president in my life, who does not care about scandal or his reputation. I repeat, our grandchildren are going to urinate on our graves for being so ignorant about their future, selling the country to KZN and Inkandla.
Voting system is also unfair in South Africa because we are made to sign a blank cheque for mafias. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Right Zuma ... such simplistic reasoning and statements only a child would believe and this is our president?
even have that courage of saying the homestead was paid by the family, this man is really one of them and i'm sure he is the leader of corrup*****. Please God help us from these evil african leaders. Report Abuse
Cyborico: It's fine, Sir. Suit yourself, really. "U r truly what u r" Indeed I am, and very proud of my sense of integrity. Not sure I know what you mean, and even less sure that I care. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
beside overspending , the plan is marvellous I love it, its on my screen saver, the architectural design is out of this world, I suggest some are influence by jealousy Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Guys give our gov time the answers will follow shortly since there's a committee formed by ANC to get to the bottom of this cost dispute.
Is it a two-pronged strategy, say I beleive you why persue to find the mole who blew whistle on this mess according to Thulas Nxesi !! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ChampRef
@E'FREE
Look at SA today, what do you see? We are so over populated, yet you want to say Mandela did nothing wrong? Blame it all on him before blaming Zuma, he learned from the best, aboTata noMbeki. Ag nee maan. How much did he spend for Graca? Nothing neh! Your hatred for Zuma is just too much and meaningless. Next time Motlanthe will be painted as well. Maybe you were not going to improve your place if it was you. Are bueng nnete, this is just i strategy to oust Zuma, and i do not see that happening. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
CYBORICO
@VENDALIOUS
i have no respect for this thing(zuma)
u r a vhenda boy akere and your tribal behaviours wont let u respect anybody who is Nguni neh? its not Zuma u hate its the Zulu's the Xhosa's etc so what ever u say here really dont make a difference coz even if there was proof everywhere that the gov is doing good u still have a problem because the president is not a Vhenda. u people should start to notice why some tribes have previously been marginalise, evrytime they get given a chance, they just have tjatjarag to contribute Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Family could be anyone, the Gupta Family, The Taxed Family etc. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dieheart
@ChampRef
Oh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi.
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Hey my champ. I get angry when my intelligence is insulted. I read somewhere that Mandela's security costs something like R3.6 m. Again my understanting is that the state can pay up to R100 000 for this security and the rest will be from your own pockets. Does he want to tell us that as the owner of the home, he does not know how much he (or family members) contributed to the upgrade? I fing this buffling! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
RobinH
Kerata: Makes one think of Barney, doesn't it. "We are family..... tra la la." Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Hail
"They have their own way of assesing the situation" They know how the budget are done" I can't make my self an expert on those one.
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What is your expertise then? And you do not know how the budget are done! Why are you sitting in that office then.I have a problem if they have their own way of assesing situation while you do what? Ja ne!
Ok Let's assume the family built all of the home, but what about the R582 million for roads to this isolated area of the country? see comment on http://news.iafrica.com/sa/820814.html by Lydetekta.
Look at the area on Google maps and you will see there is hardly any population - The whole area is bush for miles around, sparsely populated, with two or three forest reserves - hardly an area where any growth is likely to take place, or that merits ranking as a priority area needing development by any sane rationale.The village of Mxamalala had a population of 4800 per the 2001 census, and this has probably remained stable. Assuming that the average car ownership is at most the national average of 110 per 1000 people (world bank stats) that makes it nearly 530 cars, at a cost of over R1 million a car, none of which have had to pay anything. The real cost per vehicle is probably much higher as the number of cars in Mxamamala is probably far fewer than the national average given that it is a rural heartland without much in the way of employment. By contrast the Johannesburg Freeway upgrade development in our major economic heartland at a cost of R20 billion with the number of cars in 2008 being 950,000 and probably now at least a million, and it is clear that the cost per vehicle is a paltry R20,000, without counting all the vehicles from the rest of the country - but we are expected to pay for the privilege of using roads that we used to use for nothing, because we are subsidising the ANC's massive wastage of public funds.So the user pay principle is good for us taxpayers but not for the presidents and residents of Nkandla, which is probably the last place in the country that merits money spent on it's roads. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
SA we are in big trouble, recently we were promised revisit\re-opening of the ARMS-deal investigation and now this Nkanda B.S has thrown us offtrack still have Marikana commission and Juju circus in town too!! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Popeye
Ei…Zuma nawe amanga…if you examine what are you telling us, then you will understand how d.umb you are. Wena khanda elikhulu why are you telling us lies, lies, lies, lies. F**k everything you say. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
ChampRef
Haai Sowetan, why now o bloka di comments tsaka, le wena ha o rate nnete neh? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@Popeye
Ei…Zuma nawe amanga…if you examine what are you telling us, then you will understand how d.umb you are. Wena khanda elikhulu why are you telling us lies, lies, lies, lies. F**k everything you say.
I knew in his first address as president of the country SNA speech, when he kept on using his MIDDLE finger to adjust his glasses that we are s.crewed big time!! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
Phuphethakatha
Dzel
Diva7
I understand some of you are politically immature, let me brief you, during the apartheid era , Zuma was based in Angola , one of the richest country in SADEC region in respect of oil, and the richest Pres in SADEC in Edwardo Dos Santos. What Iam trying to explain, Zuma is a great friend of Edwardo remember he even came in his inauguration ceremony in Pta yet he did nt come for Mbeki. During Mbekis era Angola cut ties with SA, Mbeki and Dos Santos couldnt great each other even coming across in the corridors of UN. Zumas trial was bankrolled by Dos Santos, ANC elections was bankrolled by Dos Santos for R600m
To cut my story short, this complex is partly funded by Dos Santos and the SA must also fork something since there is facilities for state securities there
DeOvi
@ least Zuma is doing sumthing 4 his home, wat did ur icon n mbeki do to their homes..........enjoy the benefits of being a president while it last
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You thinking like a zebra Deovi what's wrong with you? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Dandan
To cut my story short, this complex is partly funded by Dos Santos and the SA must also fork something since there is facilities for state securities there
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With all the political education you've given Zuma said he was bankrolled by his family. Is Dos Santos Zuma's father-in-law, his uncle, his son?
When he came back from exile he was as poor as a church mouse, where was Dos Santos then?
The problem with people like you is you think you can cook up a story and it will be accepted without question, logic dictates if Dos Santos was indeed his benefactor Zuma would state as much as there would be nothing wrong with that arrangement so why is he ducking and diving boss?
Do you honestly believe his family has access to that kind of money unless there are some BEE deals we don't know about where his children were benefactors his explanation makes no sense. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
RobinH
Tasto: Ja, ne.... I had that sinking feeling too, but for the 1st month I thought, hey, give the guy a break. He has done this country such a disfavour simply by being there. He gets all "op sy perdjie" if people poke fun at him, but his every utterance and every movement provides such fertile hunting ground for satirists. He is the perfect target, just as PW Botha was with that erect index finger and his constant "ek het dit reeds gese, en ek herhaal." These blokes make it so easy for comedians and satirists. Cough cough, fist to mouth, finger up ans shift the specs. What a joke! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
cocolucho
I'm not related to this b**ch ni*ga, so why is my tax money going towards his playboy mkhuku Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
!!!Sinudeity!!!
JZ must go f*** himself. And his loyal fanboys must follow suite. Report Abuse
Now that we've got the pathetic Dos Santos argument out of the way, here is a question for you.
Given your claimed political maturity:
1. Are you aware that the amount budgeted for the development was revealed to parliament by the Public Works DG?
2. Are you aware that this document is available publicly as it was published by M&G and that I can provide a li.nk where you can download the info for yourself and see that Zuma is trying to B-S his way out of trouble?
Don't be naive man, more importantly don't think you can spin any useless tale and get away with it, I am not your average gullible ANC supporter so please give me some credit. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
swona
is he defending himself?......................................................................................yew! some more presure please people.........................................................................................................! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
BlackSeed
What is the problem with his answers? What don’t you understand from the answers he gave?
Monarchs are built around the world and this is just another one. Although JZ is not a reigning KING, he is a respected Zulu who is currently the President and will do likewise compared to others.
Maybe the only thing that makes it worse or different is that this is not an easily recognized hotel type structure and that it’s in the rural areas, where mostly ignored black people reside
In that article you will get a spreadsheet showing how much was budgeted for and how much was spent, go to line item 264 (if I recall correctly) and you will see the actual breakdown.
Zuma is feigning ignorance, he knows exactly how much he looted from public coffers. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Eish but these one is a really money massacre,what can we call it? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
In the same summit Zuma is reported to have said he is unhappy with the salary miners get AND their living conditions.
OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?
This guy is a Class A idiot mara uyazi... NNX! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Druza25
Ruudboy
@ Sifebe
The president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why?
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the answer is we voted him in2 power, many were happy dat Thabo was removed in an unprecedented way. he was able to drop the charges brought upon him and all U C noW is the aftermath
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Could'nt agree with you more. When President Mbeki was humiliated everyone was happy, calling him all sorts of names. We reap what we've sown Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dzel - "OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?"
Dzel
In the same summit Zuma is reported to have said he is unhappy with the salary miners get AND their living conditions.
OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?
This guy is a Class A idiot mara uyazi... NNX!
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hahahahahahahahahaha the giggling fool of Enkandla Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MakgwebelakaKokoYaManoti!
Ho molemo le se ke la hlola le ba boutela. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
cocolucho
@dzel
Its actually starts on line 648. I think that he's crossed the line of being an idiot, even idiots have some standards,this one only has 3 standards Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Probably we've to blame globalwarming. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
PitoriCrazy11
@ Dandan
no wonder the head of collins mbhesuma(pirates striker) look like shower head,so he was in angola or zambia and left a small showerhead there as well, lmao Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Bombay_Mafia
Proverbs Chapter 17, Verse 7: Fools should not be proud, and rulers should not be liars.
Fools> ANC Members, espeacially from KZN, MP, FS, NC, MK Veterans and de whole Zum.ba Lot
Rulers> ANC Top six, especially Manta.she & Zum.ba Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
RobinH
Blackseed: Respected by whom? Don't make me laugh, good sir.
coco: Line 648 - Something like PW Botha's "Rubicon" - one of his more laughable attempts.
This thing is a waste to the country. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Maader
LOL! What makes all the comments funnier is that the majority of people commenting probably voted for JZ in the last elections, knowing about his incompetence, his corruption charges, his lack of delivery capability. And now that he is stealing even more from you as a taxpayer, causing financial demise of the economy, not speaking up about anything of significance relating to our country and its people... This comes as no surprise to me, and I don't believe that people that voted him in have a right to complain so vociferously. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
@Dzel
stop being silly, why should PP proceed with investigations if your briefing is suffice, something wrong with you, the Min made it clear they wont go into details for the security reasons of the national key point at nkandla. However if you want to take what you like for the interst of DA propoganda fine Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@Maader - not me fought with my mother trying to tell her not to vote for a crook !! But she sees the lite now!!
Dzel
Now that we've got the pathetic Dos Santos argument out of the way, here is a question for you.
Given your claimed political maturity:
1. Are you aware that the amount budgeted for the development was revealed to parliament by the Public Works DG?
2. Are you aware that this document is available publicly as it was published by M&G and that I can provide a li.nk where you can download the info for yourself and see that Zuma is trying to B-S his way out of trouble?
Don't be naive man, more importantly don't think you can spin any useless tale and get away with it, I am not your average gullible ANC supporter so please give me some credit.
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Zuma and Nxesi-hulle are just looting in broad daylight,period.
The Handbook reads as follows:
Chapter 4 (2) NB: This ONLY deals with private residence, people.
2. Private Residence
2.1. The Department of Public Works will be responsible for making available
general cleaning services in private residences used for official purposes.
Members are responsible for all costs related to the procurement, upkeep
and maintenance of private residences used for official purposes.
2.2. Security arrangements for private residences used for official purposes
should be done in accordance with the Cabinet decision on “the State’s
involvement with the provision of security measures to the private residences
of Political Members” of October 8, 1997 and with due regard to the security
analysis referred to above (Chapter 2, paragraph 3).
2.3 The cost of security arrangements while it may not be covered in full, must
be annually reviewed by the Department of Public Works in consultation
with the Minister of Finance and communicated to all Members of the
Executive.
2.4 Consideration should be given for the Department of Public Works to be
responsible for the costs associated with the provision of water and electricity
to private residences used for official purposes
Zuma and Nxesi are lying. That is confirmed by bullet 2.1 above........................ Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Gibraltar
ALL GOOD AND WELL MSHOLOZI, BUT CAN YOU PROVE IT? YOUR INTELLIGENCE HAS ALSO FAILED YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOW BROUGHT SCRUTINY NOT ONLY TO YOURSELF, BUT TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE FUNDING "THE NEW YORK CITY OF KZN". WHEN AND HOW DID THEY BECOME THAT RICH? OOPS, STUPID QUESTION. THEY WERE GIVEN THE TENDERS AND CONTRACTS TO BUILD THE ROADS AS WELL AS YOUR COMPOUND. I WOULD BE ASHAMED IF I WERE YOU. JUST LIKE JULIUS, U FEEL NO SHAME FOR ANY OF YOURS OR YOUR FAMILIES INDESCRETIONS. I GOTTEN GAINS ALWAYS COME TO HAUNT THEIR POSSESSORS. MAY THE UNIVERSE JUDGE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FAIRLY. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
se ga geso sere ngwana wa mpja ga a beewe kgosi : lamofa bo gosi o tlo bo tlapela : ke bo zoom zoom ke mpja man Report Abuse
SOWETAN CAN U PLZ GIVE US FULL DETAILS ON HOW JUB JUB IS CHARGED Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
oldlady12
So that is what a homestead looks like? Looks like a town to me. He must be preparing himself for when he refuses to quit as prez and do the Bob thing. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Dandan
stop being silly, why should PP proceed with investigations if your briefing is suffice, something wrong with you, the Min made it clear they wont go into details for the security reasons of the national key point at nkandla. However if you want to take what you like for the interst of DA propoganda fine
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The public protector is going to look at actual costs, invoices, pricing, etc. This gives a good idea of the amount set aside and spent on the project but it is not definitive.
So tell me broer where is the security risk in saying we spent R 200m and not R 210m, how does this compromise Zuma's security. I suggest you think before answering. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!
We are not kids Mr President, so stop lying to 'us' as the nation! The truth in one way or the other shall come out in its on way and at its own time. You are abusing our money as 'tax payers' while people are starving especially in your homestead Nkandla. Uhlale wazi Mkhulu ukuthi "izinyembezi zalabantu abahluphekile, angeke ziwele phansi; ube wena uphilisa okwenkinsela yaseMungundlovu ngezithukuthuku zethu". Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
cocolucho
@maader
I can assure you that I never voted for that thief, could not see myself voting for a thief and a rapist EVER!!
It makes you wonder though, if the problem is with the public and not the officials that are elected, because when you vote for a corrupt person,you condone stealing which may explain why crime is so high in sa Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
svavava
usiqhela kakubi kodwa lo president, sisigezo sodwa esi. if yo family build yo home, they must carry on klk and renovate it Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
I watched this on SABC2 this morning. I didn't know if I should laugh or cry.
Zuma must be the worst poker player on the planet. I really wish they at least had enough respect for us to come up with a semi-plausible lie. It is just insulting the way they assume we are all dof Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Kone
Fellow South African!
i think there is something wrong with us as citizen of the republic, How on earth we can just fold our arms and do nothing while this man abusing the state resources that was supose to befit the power for himself and his wives!
eigth wonder of the world!!......
This man think we drink iMbiza like him! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Gibraltar
kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa. My boss would fire me if I told him I dont know how much my manager is paying for the gardening annually at the plant I run. He would think i'm either illeterate or deliberatley trying to get myself fired. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Kone
Thuli Madonsela are you there?...............Or your investigations are selective, This Thulasi Nxesi sold the teachers and now the public works!
President Mothlante help us!..................Cry the beloved country Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Seja-Bana
Ruudboy
true that, we are tasting our own medicine Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
@kone
This man think we drink iMbiza like him!
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noh : he think we r blind & stupid like his followers zulus :
You need to laugh, it’s good for you. It relives the anger in you.
If none had respect for him, would this development be intact?
Frustration is a bad omen; especially when it’s self-inflicted. Think about an arrested drunkard; that will tell you what I mean by self-inflicted pain.
stop lying calm down, lies, lies, the PP did nt divulge ToR , stop lying maaan, the security cluster made their findings , which were nt shared with public , how can the security cluster identify security risks and thereafter go public about security measures of the state , whats going on in your head, stop lies maan stop, it Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
oldlady12
Telling me. The first time I saw pictures of it, I thought it was a swankie game lodge. Not bad for a dude who had to get 'car wash money' from his terminally ill buddy not that long ago Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
The PP announced a few days ago that she was going to investigate the costs. It was in the Times, on Eyewitness News and on ETV Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Kone
If is a security requirement for a president,Then what happen when he leaves office?..........Thulas Nxesi please answer.... Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
@MommaC
yes we know that she did nt come out about ToRs unless you heard anything like Zuma you failed to listen, as far as I understand the PP does nt divulge ToRs , on her statements she said she will investigate if the prices were inflated or not , thats was nt a detailed investigation, unless you show me where to read. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Winilen
@Dzel
Do you honestly believe his family has access to that kind of money unless there are some BEE deals we don't know about where his children were benefactors his explanation makes no sense.
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Yes Zuma may have influence for his family to have access to that kind of he is the president, people will want to do business with because they are well connected even better with president...
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
oldlady12
MommaC, mmm game lodge. Ja maybe. Hey, maybe we got it all wrong. Maybe he is investing our money into this game lodge with a helipad and all for overseas visitors and then, after his retirement he will plough all the profits back into state kof.fers. Maybe I'm winning the Lotto this weekend. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
the PPs terms of reference is anything she wants them to be. As long as it has something to do with government expenditure or government actions and someone has requested an investigation, she can expand that investigation in any way that she sees fit. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
oldlady12
LOL
Maybe we should go into the re-enforced umbrella business for when those piggies start flying Report Abuse
@Winilen
Yes Zuma may have influence for his family to have access to that kind of he is the president, people will want to do business with because they are well connected even better with president...
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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brilliant point , another practical scenario is of Allan Knott-Craig of Vodacom who gave a tender to his son. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
MommaC
I said show me the link dont tell me your gas here, Im nt intrested to your gas, I need authentic evidence Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
oldlady12
Dandan, uhm, I think there is a slight difference between a tender from a private company, and a government tender. I still prefer the good old bad old days. No one who even work for a government organisation was allowed to do any business with government. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Nwanawamukalaha
Zuma and Nxesi are lying. That is confirmed by bullet 2.1 above........................
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In fact the National Key Points Act has nothing to do with this development, in fact it specific about costs that should be carried by the owner. They want to use this act for one reason and one reason only, to highlight that disclosure is punishable by imprisonment:
Relevant Sections:
2. Declaration of any place or area as a National Key Point
(2) The owner of any place or area so declared a National Key Point shall forthwith be notified by written notice of such declaration.
3. Duties of owner in relation to Key Point or Key Points Complex on receipt of a notice mentioned in section 2 (2), the owner of the National Key Point concerned shall after consultation with the Minister at his own expense take steps to the satisfaction of the Minister in respect of the security of the said Key Point.
10. Offences and penalties
(1) Any person who at, on, in connection with or in respect of any National Key Point performs any act which, if such act would have constituted an offence in terms of the Official Secrets Act, 1956 (Act 16 of 1956), if performed or executed at, on, in connection with or in respect of any prohibited place, as defined in section 1 of that Act, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to the penalties prescribed for that act in that Act.
(2) Any person who-
(c) furnishes in any manner whatsoever any information relating to the security measures, applicable at or in respect of any National Key Point or in respect of any incident that occurred there, without being legally obliged or entitled to do so, or without the disclosure or publication of the said information being empowered by or on the authority of the Minister, or except as may be strictly necessary for the performance of his functions in regard to his employment in connection with, or his ownership of, or as may be necessary to protect, the place concerned, shall be guilty of an offence and on conviction liable to a fine not exceeding R10 000 or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding three years or to both such fine and such imprisonment.
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What the Act refers to is any disclosure that may lead to a compromise and / or breach of security measures for example disclosing location of cameras, changing of security guards or leaking information on where weaknesses in security are.
It does not however refer to the value of security modifications, the value spent on security upgrades has nothing to do with possible breaches, it is illogical for anyone to link the two or be confused by them.
Perhaps if Zuma had a Matric he would know how to read legislation.
MommaC, your re-inforced umbrellas just reminded me how I was thinking earlier that with all these security measures in place, the man has jacksh!t protecting him from an attack from above (the earthly kind). I would have thought with this game lodge being so far removed from the rest of society, an attack from above would be the biggest threat. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
@MommaC
mcxxxm useles b.itch, dont tell me bout overview statement I said detailed stat Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Winilen
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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Again logic is important;
1. I negotiate with a business owner that I will secure tenders and government favours for them in return they have to pay me for facilitating the tender and favours.
2. Because it will raise suspicion if I were to receive the money directly I use my son as a front and package the bribe as a BEE transaction.
3. I then get payment when monies are paid, profits made and dividends declared.
Tell me you can connect the dots boss, why should something as obvious as this be explained to you?
MommaC, dan dan dan dan vvvvverstaan hhhy nnnie altyd sssssso mmmmooi van nnnnnavorsing nie.
Dandan, there is no such thing as a useless b.itch. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
oldlady12
I suppose that explains the miles of underground bunker that is being built.
Either he is paranoid about air attack or he is turning into a character out of Lord of the Rings Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Cl!ck-
I'm on the phone right now with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (President of Russia), to have an atomic bomb land in the middle of Nkandla.. I'm also thinking of "renovating" it..
Tasto
@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!
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Not only do you seem confused you are also confusing me, what are you on about boss? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
Woof woof.
I can't give you details of what will be investigated, you muppet. She hasn't decided on the scope yet. That will only be decided when the preliminary information is obtained. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Ngwedane
This is a nice village, i want to build one in my hometown in Newcastle Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
oldlady12
MommaC, miles of underground bunker? In daai koppie? Fo.k, is hy nie bang die plek val in nie?
Cl!ck, and I bet your renovations will be cheaper. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Ngwedane
oldlady12
MommaC, miles of underground bunker? In daai koppie? Fo.k, is hy nie bang die plek val in nie?
Cl!ck, and I bet your renovations will be cheaper.
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The only thing Click will renovate is his tik, he is always high. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
@Nwanawamukalaha
@Dzel
at some stage zuma is known as std 3, yet you two with degrees but your thinking is far below than zuma. what you are talking about is a minesterial handbook, which it cant at any means be equivalent to the head of state , read again your par 2.3 , under no circumastances the expenses of the Min be equivalent to Pres. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
MommaC
oldlady12
Net so lank dit op sy kop val, nix gaan breek nie. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Cl!ck-
@ Ngwedane
I'll renovate your face by re-arraging it, so that your Newcastle village won't recognise you.. Bl0ody mosquito!!
What does? communicating with you?
I agree that the IQ level of the whole site goes down rather dramatically when you come on but I'm a patient woman Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Tasto
@Dzel
Tasto
@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!
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Not only do you seem confused you are also confusing me, what are you on about boss?
Don't buy the Security Threat excuse again!!
Or must I be like JackDaniels Mthembu "Don't buy citypress don't buy" "don't buy security threath don't buy" !! Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Ngwedane
Cl!ck-
@ Ngwedane
I'll renovate your face by re-arraging it, so that your Newcastle village won't recognise you.. Bl0ody mosquito!!
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You are a small boy, you don't know on how to fight. Go smoke another tik so that u will get even more higher and higher. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Dandan
At some stage zuma is known as std 3, yet you two with degrees but your thinking is far below than zuma. what you are talking about is a minesterial handbook, which it cant at any means be equivalent to the head of state , read again your par 2.3 , under no circumastances the expenses of the Min be equivalent to Pres.
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To this extent I have not put a cap on the amount that can be spent on Security for the President, the issue here is of the R 230m spent on Zuma what is the amount spent on "security features" like a wall, fence, security cameras etc. A helipad is not a security measure, a private hospital is not even an underground bunker is not.
Let them tell us the amount which the PP can verify, this does not in any way compromise the president's security or does it? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dzel
Tasto
Don't buy the Security Threat excuse again!!
Or must I be like JackDaniels Mthembu "Don't buy citypress don't buy" "don't buy security threath don't buy" !!
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Hence my confusion, I've been up in arms regarding this wasteful expenditure so I don't understand how you confused me with someone who is defending Zuma. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - F*** of bafaantjie. Only granny rapists and child molestors speak like that to women. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Tasto / Dzel - Just like how I confused Tasto for DJ earlier. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
malemaforpresident
He is planning to marry one young member of Women's league whose name is still confidential Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
cocolucho
@dandan
Wow what a big boy you are! Have you only recently discovered about the female reproductive system? Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Cl!ck-
@ Ngwedane
Who said anything about fighting??.. It's your bumpy gravel head that needs the Road side assistance.. *side-eyeing this wanna be clown*
Is the president stupid. 10 years from now when he is no longer president and no influence on corrupt deals who in the hell is gonna fork for the upkeep of this mini city? Lets say it cost R400ml in total to construct and upgrade, 2% of this might be annual upkeep of the Palace, thats R8m a year by then he will be grossing, say R6m annually. How the fu*k does he think he is going to afford it. This is before food, wives, children and the next generation ARV's. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - F*** of bafaantjie. Only granny rapists and child molestors speak like that to women.
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do you know what this woman has been telling for some ages, I 've begged her to stay out of me , she keeps on running after me like a mating do.g , I 've lost patience with her , pissed off completely. I gave her enough space to stay away from me I cant be blamed, no I was tired Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - Its a public f***ing forum. If you dont like people commenting on your comments, then f*** off. Disrespecting MommaC like that, is not on.
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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Again logic is important;
1. I negotiate with a business owner that I will secure tenders and government favours for them in return they have to pay me for facilitating the tender and favours.
2. Because it will raise suspicion if I were to receive the money directly I use my son as a front and package the bribe as a BEE transaction.
3. I then get payment when monies are paid, profits made and dividends declared.
Tell me you can connect the dots boss, why should something as obvious as this be explained to you?
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That maybe it true Dzel, we not sure that what Zuma did that & at this time it your assumption.
I am not defending Zuma dont get me wrong because what he is doing with our money is not right. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Dandan
@Dzel
well we know very well during aprtheid days a bla.ck man was a subhuman spe.cies, not these days, in the last elections the former Nigerian Pres was a presiding officer at Nkandla he struggled to survive there , well because he was bla.ck nothing important, thank you Report Abuse
That maybe it true Dzel, we not sure that what Zuma did that & at this time it your assumption.
I am not defending Zuma dont get me wrong because what he is doing with our money is not right.
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Come on dude. Guptas, Zuma and his son; what do you think that was about?
A responsible president would not allow himself to even be in a situation like this as it raises a lot of questions. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Skhumbasengwenya
You people should go and renovate your homes and stop making noise.Take the money you spend on expensive alcohol every weekend and parties,it will make a difference.Zuma and Khulubuse don't drink and smoke and party till morning like you and me.In 3 years time there will be a huge difference.NOTE:an average educated person in SA spends close to R3000.00 a month on entertainment (a black man's meaning of entertainment in SA is boozing and hlokolozing women) Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Cl!ck-
@ Skhumbasengwenya
You should've saved your Idols voting money also..
@ Click
If u notice i also included myself in this bad living.Thats why i;ve decided to quit boozing and smoking,i want to renovate that old 4 roomed house i grew in.Luckily i was never a fan of those to be Americans,I still prefer my Freddy Gwala,Mambazo,Johhny Glegg etc Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Mrazane
hahahhhahahahahhhahahaaaaaaa ROTF hey lo baba if it wasn't corruption it would really be funny. Where does the family get the money. Report Abuse
Oct 11, 2012
Mhambuma1
@cornelius - Compare him with for example the Obama's, Cameron's, Merkel's of this world and hang your head in embarrasment.
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Why do you have to compare our Prez to those who grew up with golden spoons in their mouths? Report Abuse
Oct 12, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
So, nobody sat down with the president and told him that they were going to spend R200-odd million? How is that possible? I thought the the Ministerial Handbook said no more than R100 000. Report Abuse
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RobinH
HA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong.Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
Spin spin spin, backpedal spin.Sorry Z, I don't think many people believe you anymore.
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Tikoloshe
....Ok, well two years ago JZ was bumbing money off Shabby Sheik...now he can afford R 200 million renovations on his salary!!!!Something doesn't add up here. If you look at the before and after photo's of Nkhandla Head Quarters, you think this could be built on our Presidents salary for two years?
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cornelius
" how then this was done I would not want to judge "" it is what is regulated somehow "
How can this man be in charge of the largest economy in Africa and a country that needs wise efficient leadership ? Huh, how ?
Compare him with for example the Obama's, Cameron's, Merkel's of this world and hang your head in embarrasment.
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Sifebe
The president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why?Report Abuse
Printa
And he calls himself a president?!?!?!Report Abuse
Tasto
@RobinHHA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong.
Nee man next time wait 4me, just laugh(ha hah ha) at seeing this maar kan net se WOW some families are rich neh!!
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Tsek
“When people see my house on the TV, they must be thinking that government has built this for me. No. A large part of that... has been done by the family..........................................................................................................................................
Are u talkin bout ur cousin or wat wat(Khulubuse Zuma) whom you gave tenders??
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Sneijder
Zuma o nagana gore re dimumu..Report Abuse
Ruudboy
@ SifebeThe president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why?
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the answer is we voted him in2 power, many were happy dat Thabo was removed in an unprecedented way. he was able to drop the charges brought upon him and all U C noW is the aftermath
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RobinH
Tasto: Ok Cool. Next time, okay.Report Abuse
McCountryMan
i wish i was a cusin of Zuma or relative at this time, they are benfits BathongReport Abuse
AMO
Eish, the president is embarrassing,,so our taxes are spent wastefully and the president is cool with it... this guy must just go....Report Abuse
Pheli-Marabi
Maar e pila .....jealous down.This must be the luckiest niga in the whole wide world.
President.
Playboy mansion...beautiful by the way.nice taste.
5 wives .Every black mans dream....free at last.
what more can a black man want .
maybe he wakes up in the morning naked at the top of that hill and shouts Frrrreeeee at last
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Ment'o
Sinamanga les'lima se president, his family that stole from us through him. Ucabanga ukuthi isizwe sizovele sikholwe yilembude. If the ANC puts him back in December I will go to vote, but for another party.Report Abuse
cornelius
Haha Pheli-Marabi - thats good.Report Abuse
Papage
Shame on you President, I am so embarrased, I use to protect you from all angles, but now I believe your timing on this renovations was wrong, this sound the same as Malema's Ratanang Trust, he also will say Ratanang is a Family and helped him to buy homes and farms all over. What lesson are you teaching the up and coming Leaders of the ANC? I am ashamed, so your sons and sons in Law assisted you to build this small heaven after they benefitted from wrongfull tenders? Arrest my caseReport Abuse
Blackstone.lebs
No. A large part of that... has been done by the family++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Khulubuse and others neh!
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VENDALIOUS
Is this thing trying to fool us or what?.....only taxi pilots will believe that kind of horse sh!t.Report Abuse
Tasto
Comon guys, this guy is related to 49mill SAns mos we are such ONE big family!!Next time I see a naked child in the township would ask the question "Who is yr dayy, JZ ?"
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malemaforpresident
So what if the head of state can put lies in a public domain who would we trust in this universe we want prove that the family put developments around the Nakandla hollywood empire this is what Thuli should investigateReport Abuse
E'FREE
come Mangaung this useless, stupid president wil be history, if he gets the second term he wont finish it.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Good enough explaination for me.That is why I have always been saying that people must wait for President to comment before they make noise.
Clearly all along people have been misinformed about this....
Zuma extended his home, department of public work provided security, which escalated the cost. Did Zuma demanded security? No. Must we blame him for a security given to him?
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Phuphethakatha
Zuma, stop lying true your teeth ! You don't have a rich family than can pay for Nkandla NY. Khulubuse can't even pay mineworkers. And we taxpayers are not your family!!!Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
If it's all so squeeky clean and above board, you wouldn't mind giving Thuli a look at the books now would you? Oh wait...Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
There are always loopholes in his speeches. Maybe it's because he never attended any class since he doesn't know that for every question one should give an answer of some sort. All he does is budge by the ministers.The escalated value for renovations might be due to the large family he has, which is non of the tax payers' business but him and his family.
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tshililotshikota
its just R200million people. 200 people pay 1 mill and in return get fat government tenders, easy mathematics.Report Abuse
Zabaragast
What was the R200 million spent on then?Report Abuse
DeOvi
lol, dats y i want u 4 2nd term.......u r so honest n trustworthy.......Report Abuse
Lungu
You might be right but that just proves how stupit you are, were did that familly get the money or you mean your two corrupt sons?Report Abuse
Lehido
“I think the ministers have given the answers and if people want to pursue that, they’ll pursue it. I don’t question the security measures that government takes in relation to presidents, vice-presidents, ministers or MEC. It is what is regulated somehow. They have their own way of assessing the situation,” he said.There has been a public outcry on the renovations of Zuma’s house, which were reported to cost over R200 million.
Zuma said he believed that because there was no supporting infrastructure in rural Nkandla, it would be more expensive to build security features there than in an urban area.
However, Zuma did not want to commit himself on the amount used to renovate his Nkandla private home.
“I would not want to comment or judge because these matters are handled by the ministers and the Auditor General. They know how the budgets are done, I can’t make myself an expert on those ones,” he said.
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REALLY NOW MR PRESIDENT?,,,YOU DONT ASK HOW YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE BEING RAN?...REALLY?
THIS MORON NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME....HE IS CLUELESS, EVEN MY 3 YEAR PLD SON IS BETTER THAN THIS SMURF
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overthemoon
Is this some sick joke. or it is just a delayed April fools joke. I hate this man called shower head with passion.Report Abuse
Tasto
@tshililotshikota - hele dag gister no one could help me to crunch the numbers, I heard abt DEptAgri R800m R582m and this albatros R230m now public waorks blame inflated prices !did u use Scientific or non-scientific calaculator to get yr answer?
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lenyora13
O bua masepe.. so ur conscience doesnt guide u gore upgrade of 200 million its jus too much...Report Abuse
1937
20:15 Bidvest Wits vs Kaizer Chiefs BIDVEST STADIUM.....................Saturday, 20 October 2012
15:00 Free State Stars vs Golden Arrows GOBLE PARK STADIUM
15:00 Ajax Cape Town vs SuperSport United CAPE TOWN STADIUM
20:15 Black Leopards vs Orlando Pirates PETER MOKABA STADIUM
20:15 Maritzburg United vs Moroka Swallows HARRY GWALA STADIUM
.....................Sunday, 21 October 2012
15:00 Chippa United vs Bloemfontein Celtic PHILLIPI STADIUM
15:00 AmaZulu vs Platinum Stars SUGAR RAY XULU STADIUM
....................Tuesday, 23 October 2012
19:30 Mamelodi Sundowns vs Tuks FC LUCAS MASTERPIECES MORIPE
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malemaforpresident
Someone please stop this man i just wonder where Barack Obama is staying but it wont be too much like this with his econimic super power behind him i dont think will make such madness someone just need to stop this man the sooner the better phela we are being screwed time in time outReport Abuse
T.C.T
one day is one day zumaReport Abuse
ChampRef
Oh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi.Report Abuse
Jajaja
The family which this ABET drop-out is refering to is the SA Tax Payer. Before he became the President, the only rich family member to him was Shabir, now everybody close to him is filthy rich, including the Motshega family. How do u explain the presence of Angie" Dental Formular" Motshega into RSA cabinet ? The coming generations is going to urinate on our (voters) graves for electing iliterate president into power. JZ is not only iliterate, but dangerous as well because he is leading the country astray and also looting. He has surrounded himself with very selfish people who only care about lining their pockets.Report Abuse
DeOvi
@ least Zuma is doing sumthing 4 his home, wat did ur icon n mbeki do to their homes..........enjoy the benefits of being a president while it lastReport Abuse
Tasto
Comedians must be getting out of business given the JZ circus is going full steam ahead of mangaung perhaps Loyiso is surving from material supplied by JZ for his show LateNite withLoyiso!!Report Abuse
ntshontle
zumas place looks like a village in SwazilandReport Abuse
Lungu
Were do you think you have expertise Mr President, i see no intellegence in you nor skills except for a thug who steal for millions without any remorse as you are voted in power, i remember telling ppl that if you can become the president of this country things will be messy and quese what no one believed me, i did not vote for you anyway but i'm suffering now because of those who put you in power. If i had money i was going to leave this country to seek future somewhere elese even Mozambique is better than this country, Zuma please step down and face your charges and leave those who can run and plan for this country be in power please.******** enough is enough*******
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Nwanawamukalaha
On another note: did i hear him yesterday say that the property is not his but that of King Zwelethini?So Zuma owns no property.................
Why spend money on a property which belongs not to you?
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Mporoz
Some think because they have Degree’s or Diploma’s they are better than Mr President to an extent that they think whatever comes from him is nonsense. Don’t forget that education is the “key” but not the “only key” to success. I know and respect many people who didn’t see the Teacher but are rich and smarter than you “academics”Education brings you to an average level but Talent (gift) takes you to the highest platform. Very few or None South Africans has set in the left hand of Pres. Obama except Pres. Zuma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now get back to your shelves!!!!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Guys give our gov time the answers will follow shortly since there's a committee formed by ANC to get to the bottom of this cost dispute.Report Abuse
E'FREE
ChampRef, im nt surpried becuase you're a woman.hv u ever been to Qunu? dont come here with misguided tendencies. Mandela never used tax to build his home, Mandela never lied to us, Mandela was accountable, Mandela never directed questions to him.
during Mandela's tenure we all played by th same rules.
Qunu is an ordinary village like yours, electricity, schools, gravel road
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DeOvi
ChampRefOh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi.
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Ma Champ, if motlanthe bcums president (through malema of cos), after a yr, re tlo kwa bare yena le malema ke di enemy....mark ma words
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CYBORICO
RobinHHA HA HA HA HA and the other how many hundreds of millions? You seriously do believe the nation is stupid, and alas, it seems you're not far from wrong.
u r truly what u r, u even fail to understand a simple thing said, he had nothing to do with it, like i always say corrupt people are in the gov departments, most try to hide their corruption by initiating projects that can shift the blame or projects that will cover waste done somewhere else. i.e a report says the gov complex in nelspruit cost 113 million but a budget of 540 million was requested and approve, is it the doing of the premiar of mpumalanga? no its an official in the gov department who can b a member of DA, PAC or the anc.
people like robinh and his gang, with their lack of respect for black will come here and make propaganda sound like fact
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Dieheart
Wait a minute sir. You are the owner of the house and yet you don't know how much it cost to renovate it? Ok, R203 m and R237 m have been mentioned in the media circles, which one is correct? If none of this, what is your figure and the correct one? I still say as the owner u shuh know. We ain't school kids who are gullible and always deceived by people like malema! What is the amount?????????????Report Abuse
VENDALIOUS
i have no respect for this thing(zuma)Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
Mathematics:1. Cost to put in place the current structures max R30m
2. Security system after being a president max R30m
Current state of both:
1. 90%
2. 75%
Renovations and upgrading of security:
1. R30m*10% = R3m (plus say R3m for escalation of materials in cost) = R6m
2. R30m*15% = R4,5m ((plus say R4,5m for escalation of materials in cost) R9m
Estimated cost of renovations and upgrading of securtity system should be ±R15m
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Diva7
Unamanga!!Report Abuse
lindsay
why do i have a very hard time believing and buying that?Report Abuse
ChampRef
@E'FREEChampRef, im nt surpried becuase you're a woman.
hv u ever been to Qunu? dont come here with misguided tendencies. Mandela never used tax to build his home, Mandela never lied to us, Mandela was accountable, Mandela never directed questions to him.
during Mandela's tenure we all played by th same rules.
Qunu is an ordinary village like yours, electricity, schools, gravel road
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Mandela built a R200m house for Graca Machel, so what? Ag soka, tlogelang Zuma, batho ba ba tshwana. The fact that they think someone will be better than him, they start making all this allegations, and the so called supporters of malema. I forsee trouble, @DeOvi, watch the space, a day after mangaung, Malema tlabe a lwantsha Motlanthe are o jele chelete. Haeye maan, no one is better here.
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Jajaja
This iliterate is a habitual liar. He does not care when he lie whether u believe him or not. The busienssmen where all listening to him, giggling and hoping to get tenders, whilst knowing that he is telling them lies. I have never came across such a president in my life, who does not care about scandal or his reputation. I repeat, our grandchildren are going to urinate on our graves for being so ignorant about their future, selling the country to KZN and Inkandla.Voting system is also unfair in South Africa because we are made to sign a blank cheque for mafias.
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Dzel
Right Zuma ... such simplistic reasoning and statements only a child would believe and this is our president?Report Abuse
WEREWOLF
even have that courage of saying the homestead was paid by the family, this man is really one of them and i'm sure he is the leader of corrup*****. Please God help us from these evil african leaders.Report Abuse
BRA-MAFUTHA
This thing(Zuma) irritates me.Report Abuse
RobinH
Cyborico: It's fine, Sir. Suit yourself, really. "U r truly what u r" Indeed I am, and very proud of my sense of integrity. Not sure I know what you mean, and even less sure that I care.Report Abuse
Dandan
beside overspending , the plan is marvellous I love it, its on my screen saver, the architectural design is out of this world, I suggest some are influence by jealousyReport Abuse
Tasto
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeGuys give our gov time the answers will follow shortly since there's a committee formed by ANC to get to the bottom of this cost dispute.
Is it a two-pronged strategy, say I beleive you why persue to find the mole who blew whistle on this mess according to Thulas Nxesi !!
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ChampRef
@E'FREELook at SA today, what do you see? We are so over populated, yet you want to say Mandela did nothing wrong? Blame it all on him before blaming Zuma, he learned from the best, aboTata noMbeki. Ag nee maan. How much did he spend for Graca? Nothing neh! Your hatred for Zuma is just too much and meaningless. Next time Motlanthe will be painted as well. Maybe you were not going to improve your place if it was you. Are bueng nnete, this is just i strategy to oust Zuma, and i do not see that happening.
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CYBORICO
@VENDALIOUSi have no respect for this thing(zuma)
u r a vhenda boy akere and your tribal behaviours wont let u respect anybody who is Nguni neh? its not Zuma u hate its the Zulu's the Xhosa's etc so what ever u say here really dont make a difference coz even if there was proof everywhere that the gov is doing good u still have a problem because the president is not a Vhenda. u people should start to notice why some tribes have previously been marginalise, evrytime they get given a chance, they just have tjatjarag to contribute
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KeRataBasadi
Family could be anyone, the Gupta Family, The Taxed Family etc.Report Abuse
Dieheart
@ChampRefOh my God, this is just one of the strategies the so called hungry MPs use to oust my President. Live Zuma alone, Mandela also did the same ko QUNU and no one questioned that. But really, ke matlakala fela a, Zuma this, Zuma that, diMP's tsona di kokae le ena Motlanthe nale ko kae when all this happens, ruri ke tshaba chelete le polotiki. Kamoso etlabe ele Motlanthe a tlhagisiwang gotwe o jele madi.
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Hey my champ. I get angry when my intelligence is insulted. I read somewhere that Mandela's security costs something like R3.6 m. Again my understanting is that the state can pay up to R100 000 for this security and the rest will be from your own pockets. Does he want to tell us that as the owner of the home, he does not know how much he (or family members) contributed to the upgrade? I fing this buffling!
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RobinH
Kerata: Makes one think of Barney, doesn't it. "We are family..... tra la la."Report Abuse
Hail
"They have their own way of assesing the situation" They know how the budget are done" I can't make my self an expert on those one...............................................................................................
What is your expertise then? And you do not know how the budget are done! Why are you sitting in that office then.I have a problem if they have their own way of assesing situation while you do what? Ja ne!
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jnrb
Ok Let's assume the family built all of the home, but what about the R582 million for roads to this isolated area of the country? see comment on http://news.iafrica.com/sa/820814.html by Lydetekta.Look at the area on Google maps and you will see there is hardly any population - The whole area is bush for miles around, sparsely populated, with two or three forest reserves - hardly an area where any growth is likely to take place, or that merits ranking as a priority area needing development by any sane rationale.The village of Mxamalala had a population of 4800 per the 2001 census, and this has probably remained stable. Assuming that the average car ownership is at most the national average of 110 per 1000 people (world bank stats) that makes it nearly 530 cars, at a cost of over R1 million a car, none of which have had to pay anything. The real cost per vehicle is probably much higher as the number of cars in Mxamamala is probably far fewer than the national average given that it is a rural heartland without much in the way of employment. By contrast the Johannesburg Freeway upgrade development in our major economic heartland at a cost of R20 billion with the number of cars in 2008 being 950,000 and probably now at least a million, and it is clear that the cost per vehicle is a paltry R20,000, without counting all the vehicles from the rest of the country - but we are expected to pay for the privilege of using roads that we used to use for nothing, because we are subsidising the ANC's massive wastage of public funds.So the user pay principle is good for us taxpayers but not for the presidents and residents of Nkandla, which is probably the last place in the country that merits money spent on it's roads.
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Tasto
SA we are in big trouble, recently we were promised revisit\re-opening of the ARMS-deal investigation and now this Nkanda B.S has thrown us offtrack still have Marikana commission and Juju circus in town too!!Report Abuse
Popeye
Ei…Zuma nawe amanga…if you examine what are you telling us, then you will understand how d.umb you are. Wena khanda elikhulu why are you telling us lies, lies, lies, lies. F**k everything you say.Report Abuse
ChampRef
Haai Sowetan, why now o bloka di comments tsaka, le wena ha o rate nnete neh?Report Abuse
Tasto
@PopeyeEi…Zuma nawe amanga…if you examine what are you telling us, then you will understand how d.umb you are. Wena khanda elikhulu why are you telling us lies, lies, lies, lies. F**k everything you say.
I knew in his first address as president of the country SNA speech, when he kept on using his MIDDLE finger to adjust his glasses that we are s.crewed big time!!
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Dandan
PhuphethakathaDzel
Diva7
I understand some of you are politically immature, let me brief you, during the apartheid era , Zuma was based in Angola , one of the richest country in SADEC region in respect of oil, and the richest Pres in SADEC in Edwardo Dos Santos. What Iam trying to explain, Zuma is a great friend of Edwardo remember he even came in his inauguration ceremony in Pta yet he did nt come for Mbeki. During Mbekis era Angola cut ties with SA, Mbeki and Dos Santos couldnt great each other even coming across in the corridors of UN. Zumas trial was bankrolled by Dos Santos, ANC elections was bankrolled by Dos Santos for R600m
To cut my story short, this complex is partly funded by Dos Santos and the SA must also fork something since there is facilities for state securities there
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Nongoloza24
DeOvi@ least Zuma is doing sumthing 4 his home, wat did ur icon n mbeki do to their homes..........enjoy the benefits of being a president while it last
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You thinking like a zebra Deovi what's wrong with you?
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Dzel
DandanTo cut my story short, this complex is partly funded by Dos Santos and the SA must also fork something since there is facilities for state securities there
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With all the political education you've given Zuma said he was bankrolled by his family. Is Dos Santos Zuma's father-in-law, his uncle, his son?
When he came back from exile he was as poor as a church mouse, where was Dos Santos then?
The problem with people like you is you think you can cook up a story and it will be accepted without question, logic dictates if Dos Santos was indeed his benefactor Zuma would state as much as there would be nothing wrong with that arrangement so why is he ducking and diving boss?
Do you honestly believe his family has access to that kind of money unless there are some BEE deals we don't know about where his children were benefactors his explanation makes no sense.
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RobinH
Tasto: Ja, ne.... I had that sinking feeling too, but for the 1st month I thought, hey, give the guy a break. He has done this country such a disfavour simply by being there. He gets all "op sy perdjie" if people poke fun at him, but his every utterance and every movement provides such fertile hunting ground for satirists. He is the perfect target, just as PW Botha was with that erect index finger and his constant "ek het dit reeds gese, en ek herhaal." These blokes make it so easy for comedians and satirists. Cough cough, fist to mouth, finger up ans shift the specs. What a joke!Report Abuse
cocolucho
I'm not related to this b**ch ni*ga, so why is my tax money going towards his playboy mkhukuReport Abuse
!!!Sinudeity!!!
JZ must go f*** himself. And his loyal fanboys must follow suite.Report Abuse
RobinH
coco Mkhuku..... I LOVE IT!!Report Abuse
Dzel
Now that we've got the pathetic Dos Santos argument out of the way, here is a question for you.Given your claimed political maturity:
1. Are you aware that the amount budgeted for the development was revealed to parliament by the Public Works DG?
2. Are you aware that this document is available publicly as it was published by M&G and that I can provide a li.nk where you can download the info for yourself and see that Zuma is trying to B-S his way out of trouble?
Don't be naive man, more importantly don't think you can spin any useless tale and get away with it, I am not your average gullible ANC supporter so please give me some credit.
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swona
is he defending himself?......................................................................................yew! some more presure please people.........................................................................................................!Report Abuse
BlackSeed
What is the problem with his answers? What don’t you understand from the answers he gave?Monarchs are built around the world and this is just another one. Although JZ is not a reigning KING, he is a respected Zulu who is currently the President and will do likewise compared to others.
Maybe the only thing that makes it worse or different is that this is not an easily recognized hotel type structure and that it’s in the rural areas, where mostly ignored black people reside
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swona
I'll also want land like that in my rural home!Report Abuse
masende
NEW YORK NKANDLAReport Abuse
Dzel
Dandan,I suggest you follow this link so that you don't embarrass yourself again by making silly statement:
http://www.pmg.org.za/report/20120515-briefing-department-public-works-their-strategic-plan-and-budget-vote
In that article you will get a spreadsheet showing how much was budgeted for and how much was spent, go to line item 264 (if I recall correctly) and you will see the actual breakdown.
Zuma is feigning ignorance, he knows exactly how much he looted from public coffers.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Eish but these one is a really money massacre,what can we call it?Report Abuse
Dzel
In the same summit Zuma is reported to have said he is unhappy with the salary miners get AND their living conditions.OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?
This guy is a Class A idiot mara uyazi... NNX!
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Druza25
Ruudboy@ Sifebe
The president has got a fat salary with huge benefits, I don't understand why he must use taxpayers money for his personal spending. why?
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the answer is we voted him in2 power, many were happy dat Thabo was removed in an unprecedented way. he was able to drop the charges brought upon him and all U C noW is the aftermath
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Could'nt agree with you more. When President Mbeki was humiliated everyone was happy, calling him all sorts of names. We reap what we've sown
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!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dzel - "OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?"For two years!
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Druza25
DzelIn the same summit Zuma is reported to have said he is unhappy with the salary miners get AND their living conditions.
OK .... what about Aurora miners who have not been paid for months by his nephew then?
This guy is a Class A idiot mara uyazi... NNX!
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hahahahahahahahahaha the giggling fool of Enkandla
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MakgwebelakaKokoYaManoti!
Ho molemo le se ke la hlola le ba boutela.Report Abuse
cocolucho
@dzelIts actually starts on line 648. I think that he's crossed the line of being an idiot, even idiots have some standards,this one only has 3 standards
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Probably we've to blame globalwarming.Report Abuse
PitoriCrazy11
@ Dandanno wonder the head of collins mbhesuma(pirates striker) look like shower head,so he was in angola or zambia and left a small showerhead there as well, lmao
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Bombay_Mafia
Proverbs Chapter 17, Verse 7: Fools should not be proud, and rulers should not be liars.Fools> ANC Members, espeacially from KZN, MP, FS, NC, MK Veterans and de whole Zum.ba Lot
Rulers> ANC Top six, especially Manta.she & Zum.ba
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RobinH
Blackseed: Respected by whom? Don't make me laugh, good sir.coco: Line 648 - Something like PW Botha's "Rubicon" - one of his more laughable attempts.
Kata: globalwarming..... BRILLIANT SIR. ANSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.
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Charley4sure
This thing is a waste to the country.Report Abuse
Maader
LOL! What makes all the comments funnier is that the majority of people commenting probably voted for JZ in the last elections, knowing about his incompetence, his corruption charges, his lack of delivery capability. And now that he is stealing even more from you as a taxpayer, causing financial demise of the economy, not speaking up about anything of significance relating to our country and its people... This comes as no surprise to me, and I don't believe that people that voted him in have a right to complain so vociferously.Report Abuse
Dandan
@Dzelstop being silly, why should PP proceed with investigations if your briefing is suffice, something wrong with you, the Min made it clear they wont go into details for the security reasons of the national key point at nkandla. However if you want to take what you like for the interst of DA propoganda fine
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Tasto
@Maader - not me fought with my mother trying to tell her not to vote for a crook !! But she sees the lite now!!Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
DzelNow that we've got the pathetic Dos Santos argument out of the way, here is a question for you.
Given your claimed political maturity:
1. Are you aware that the amount budgeted for the development was revealed to parliament by the Public Works DG?
2. Are you aware that this document is available publicly as it was published by M&G and that I can provide a li.nk where you can download the info for yourself and see that Zuma is trying to B-S his way out of trouble?
Don't be naive man, more importantly don't think you can spin any useless tale and get away with it, I am not your average gullible ANC supporter so please give me some credit.
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Zuma and Nxesi-hulle are just looting in broad daylight,period.
The Handbook reads as follows:
Chapter 4 (2) NB: This ONLY deals with private residence, people.
2. Private Residence
2.1. The Department of Public Works will be responsible for making available
general cleaning services in private residences used for official purposes.
Members are responsible for all costs related to the procurement, upkeep
and maintenance of private residences used for official purposes.
2.2. Security arrangements for private residences used for official purposes
should be done in accordance with the Cabinet decision on “the State’s
involvement with the provision of security measures to the private residences
of Political Members” of October 8, 1997 and with due regard to the security
analysis referred to above (Chapter 2, paragraph 3).
2.3 The cost of security arrangements while it may not be covered in full, must
be annually reviewed by the Department of Public Works in consultation
with the Minister of Finance and communicated to all Members of the
Executive.
2.4 Consideration should be given for the Department of Public Works to be
responsible for the costs associated with the provision of water and electricity
to private residences used for official purposes
Zuma and Nxesi are lying. That is confirmed by bullet 2.1 above........................
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Gibraltar
ALL GOOD AND WELL MSHOLOZI, BUT CAN YOU PROVE IT? YOUR INTELLIGENCE HAS ALSO FAILED YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOW BROUGHT SCRUTINY NOT ONLY TO YOURSELF, BUT TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE FUNDING "THE NEW YORK CITY OF KZN". WHEN AND HOW DID THEY BECOME THAT RICH? OOPS, STUPID QUESTION. THEY WERE GIVEN THE TENDERS AND CONTRACTS TO BUILD THE ROADS AS WELL AS YOUR COMPOUND. I WOULD BE ASHAMED IF I WERE YOU. JUST LIKE JULIUS, U FEEL NO SHAME FOR ANY OF YOURS OR YOUR FAMILIES INDESCRETIONS. I GOTTEN GAINS ALWAYS COME TO HAUNT THEIR POSSESSORS. MAY THE UNIVERSE JUDGE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FAIRLY.Report Abuse
sh!tFaceSamsung
se ga geso sere ngwana wa mpja ga a beewe kgosi : lamofa bo gosi o tlo bo tlapela : ke bo zoom zoom ke mpja manReport Abuse
Tasto
@Nwanawamukalaha@Bombay_Mafia
Proverbs 17:28 !!
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LEEEEEEEE
SOWETAN CAN U PLZ GIVE US FULL DETAILS ON HOW JUB JUB IS CHARGEDReport Abuse
oldlady12
So that is what a homestead looks like? Looks like a town to me. He must be preparing himself for when he refuses to quit as prez and do the Bob thing.Report Abuse
Dzel
Dandanstop being silly, why should PP proceed with investigations if your briefing is suffice, something wrong with you, the Min made it clear they wont go into details for the security reasons of the national key point at nkandla. However if you want to take what you like for the interst of DA propoganda fine
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The public protector is going to look at actual costs, invoices, pricing, etc. This gives a good idea of the amount set aside and spent on the project but it is not definitive.
So tell me broer where is the security risk in saying we spent R 200m and not R 210m, how does this compromise Zuma's security. I suggest you think before answering.
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Tasto
@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!Report Abuse
The_Only_1
We are not kids Mr President, so stop lying to 'us' as the nation! The truth in one way or the other shall come out in its on way and at its own time. You are abusing our money as 'tax payers' while people are starving especially in your homestead Nkandla. Uhlale wazi Mkhulu ukuthi "izinyembezi zalabantu abahluphekile, angeke ziwele phansi; ube wena uphilisa okwenkinsela yaseMungundlovu ngezithukuthuku zethu".Report Abuse
cocolucho
@maaderI can assure you that I never voted for that thief, could not see myself voting for a thief and a rapist EVER!!
It makes you wonder though, if the problem is with the public and not the officials that are elected, because when you vote for a corrupt person,you condone stealing which may explain why crime is so high in sa
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svavava
usiqhela kakubi kodwa lo president, sisigezo sodwa esi. if yo family build yo home, they must carry on klk and renovate itReport Abuse
MommaC
I watched this on SABC2 this morning. I didn't know if I should laugh or cry.Zuma must be the worst poker player on the planet. I really wish they at least had enough respect for us to come up with a semi-plausible lie. It is just insulting the way they assume we are all dof
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Kone
Fellow South African!i think there is something wrong with us as citizen of the republic, How on earth we can just fold our arms and do nothing while this man abusing the state resources that was supose to befit the power for himself and his wives!
eigth wonder of the world!!......
This man think we drink iMbiza like him!
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Gibraltar
kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa. My boss would fire me if I told him I dont know how much my manager is paying for the gardening annually at the plant I run. He would think i'm either illeterate or deliberatley trying to get myself fired.Report Abuse
Kone
Thuli Madonsela are you there?...............Or your investigations are selective, This Thulasi Nxesi sold the teachers and now the public works!President Mothlante help us!..................Cry the beloved country
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Seja-Bana
Ruudboytrue that, we are tasting our own medicine
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sh!tFaceSamsung
@koneThis man think we drink iMbiza like him!
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noh : he think we r blind & stupid like his followers zulus :
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BlackSeed
RobinHYou need to laugh, it’s good for you. It relives the anger in you.
If none had respect for him, would this development be intact?
Frustration is a bad omen; especially when it’s self-inflicted. Think about an arrested drunkard; that will tell you what I mean by self-inflicted pain.
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Dandan
@Dzelstop lying calm down, lies, lies, the PP did nt divulge ToR , stop lying maaan, the security cluster made their findings , which were nt shared with public , how can the security cluster identify security risks and thereafter go public about security measures of the state , whats going on in your head, stop lies maan stop, it
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MommaC
oldlady12Telling me. The first time I saw pictures of it, I thought it was a swankie game lodge. Not bad for a dude who had to get 'car wash money' from his terminally ill buddy not that long ago
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MommaC
DandanThe PP announced a few days ago that she was going to investigate the costs. It was in the Times, on Eyewitness News and on ETV
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Kone
If is a security requirement for a president,Then what happen when he leaves office?..........Thulas Nxesi please answer....Report Abuse
Dandan
@MommaCyes we know that she did nt come out about ToRs unless you heard anything like Zuma you failed to listen, as far as I understand the PP does nt divulge ToRs , on her statements she said she will investigate if the prices were inflated or not , thats was nt a detailed investigation, unless you show me where to read.
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Winilen
@DzelDo you honestly believe his family has access to that kind of money unless there are some BEE deals we don't know about where his children were benefactors his explanation makes no sense.
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Yes Zuma may have influence for his family to have access to that kind of he is the president, people will want to do business with because they are well connected even better with president...
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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oldlady12
MommaC, mmm game lodge. Ja maybe. Hey, maybe we got it all wrong. Maybe he is investing our money into this game lodge with a helipad and all for overseas visitors and then, after his retirement he will plough all the profits back into state kof.fers. Maybe I'm winning the Lotto this weekend.Report Abuse
MommaC
Dandanthe PPs terms of reference is anything she wants them to be. As long as it has something to do with government expenditure or government actions and someone has requested an investigation, she can expand that investigation in any way that she sees fit.
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MommaC
oldlady12LOL
Maybe we should go into the re-enforced umbrella business for when those piggies start flying
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KennyS
DeOvi_You are a fool_Report Abuse
Dandan
@WinilenYes Zuma may have influence for his family to have access to that kind of he is the president, people will want to do business with because they are well connected even better with president...
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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brilliant point , another practical scenario is of Allan Knott-Craig of Vodacom who gave a tender to his son.
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Dandan
MommaCI said show me the link dont tell me your gas here, Im nt intrested to your gas, I need authentic evidence
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oldlady12
Dandan, uhm, I think there is a slight difference between a tender from a private company, and a government tender. I still prefer the good old bad old days. No one who even work for a government organisation was allowed to do any business with government.Report Abuse
Dzel
NwanawamukalahaZuma and Nxesi are lying. That is confirmed by bullet 2.1 above........................
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In fact the National Key Points Act has nothing to do with this development, in fact it specific about costs that should be carried by the owner. They want to use this act for one reason and one reason only, to highlight that disclosure is punishable by imprisonment:
Relevant Sections:
2. Declaration of any place or area as a National Key Point
(2) The owner of any place or area so declared a National Key Point shall forthwith be notified by written notice of such declaration.
3. Duties of owner in relation to Key Point or Key Points Complex on receipt of a notice mentioned in section 2 (2), the owner of the National Key Point concerned shall after consultation with the Minister at his own expense take steps to the satisfaction of the Minister in respect of the security of the said Key Point.
10. Offences and penalties
(1) Any person who at, on, in connection with or in respect of any National Key Point performs any act which, if such act would have constituted an offence in terms of the Official Secrets Act, 1956 (Act 16 of 1956), if performed or executed at, on, in connection with or in respect of any prohibited place, as defined in section 1 of that Act, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to the penalties prescribed for that act in that Act.
(2) Any person who-
(c) furnishes in any manner whatsoever any information relating to the security measures, applicable at or in respect of any National Key Point or in respect of any incident that occurred there, without being legally obliged or entitled to do so, or without the disclosure or publication of the said information being empowered by or on the authority of the Minister, or except as may be strictly necessary for the performance of his functions in regard to his employment in connection with, or his ownership of, or as may be necessary to protect, the place concerned, shall be guilty of an offence and on conviction liable to a fine not exceeding R10 000 or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding three years or to both such fine and such imprisonment.
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What the Act refers to is any disclosure that may lead to a compromise and / or breach of security measures for example disclosing location of cameras, changing of security guards or leaking information on where weaknesses in security are.
It does not however refer to the value of security modifications, the value spent on security upgrades has nothing to do with possible breaches, it is illogical for anyone to link the two or be confused by them.
Perhaps if Zuma had a Matric he would know how to read legislation.
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MommaC
DandanOf what? Jirrie but you are a lazy sod.
Google is your friend - talk to her.
timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/10/07/public-protector-launches-nkandla-investigation
ewn.co.za/2012/10/08/Madonsela-to-investigate-Nkandla
da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=11409
2oceansvibe.com/2012/10/08/public-protector-opens-investigation-into-nkandla/
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oldlady12
MommaC, your re-inforced umbrellas just reminded me how I was thinking earlier that with all these security measures in place, the man has jacksh!t protecting him from an attack from above (the earthly kind). I would have thought with this game lodge being so far removed from the rest of society, an attack from above would be the biggest threat.Report Abuse
Dandan
@MommaCmcxxxm useles b.itch, dont tell me bout overview statement I said detailed stat
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Dzel
WinilenTell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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Again logic is important;
1. I negotiate with a business owner that I will secure tenders and government favours for them in return they have to pay me for facilitating the tender and favours.
2. Because it will raise suspicion if I were to receive the money directly I use my son as a front and package the bribe as a BEE transaction.
3. I then get payment when monies are paid, profits made and dividends declared.
Tell me you can connect the dots boss, why should something as obvious as this be explained to you?
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oldlady12
MommaC, dan dan dan dan vvvvverstaan hhhy nnnie altyd sssssso mmmmooi van nnnnnavorsing nie.Dandan, there is no such thing as a useless b.itch.
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MommaC
oldlady12I suppose that explains the miles of underground bunker that is being built.
Either he is paranoid about air attack or he is turning into a character out of Lord of the Rings
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Cl!ck-
I'm on the phone right now with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (President of Russia), to have an atomic bomb land in the middle of Nkandla.. I'm also thinking of "renovating" it..Report Abuse
Dzel
Tasto@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!
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Not only do you seem confused you are also confusing me, what are you on about boss?
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MommaC
DandanWoof woof.
I can't give you details of what will be investigated, you muppet. She hasn't decided on the scope yet. That will only be decided when the preliminary information is obtained.
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Ngwedane
This is a nice village, i want to build one in my hometown in NewcastleReport Abuse
oldlady12
MommaC, miles of underground bunker? In daai koppie? Fo.k, is hy nie bang die plek val in nie?Cl!ck, and I bet your renovations will be cheaper.
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Ngwedane
oldlady12MommaC, miles of underground bunker? In daai koppie? Fo.k, is hy nie bang die plek val in nie?
Cl!ck, and I bet your renovations will be cheaper.
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The only thing Click will renovate is his tik, he is always high.
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Dandan
@Nwanawamukalaha@Dzel
at some stage zuma is known as std 3, yet you two with degrees but your thinking is far below than zuma. what you are talking about is a minesterial handbook, which it cant at any means be equivalent to the head of state , read again your par 2.3 , under no circumastances the expenses of the Min be equivalent to Pres.
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MommaC
oldlady12Net so lank dit op sy kop val, nix gaan breek nie.
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Cl!ck-
@ NgwedaneI'll renovate your face by re-arraging it, so that your Newcastle village won't recognise you.. Bl0ody mosquito!!
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MommaC
Dandanaaah,, ever the gentleman.
don't confuse your nosebleed with my hormones.
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Dandan
MommaCmakes you so foolish
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MommaC
DandanWhat does? communicating with you?
I agree that the IQ level of the whole site goes down rather dramatically when you come on but I'm a patient woman
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Tasto
@DzelTasto
@Dzel - thot u were not gonna entertain this "security threat" sh$# the same line was used during the Matina Khoza-Zuma circus!! It lost its meaning !!
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Not only do you seem confused you are also confusing me, what are you on about boss?
Don't buy the Security Threat excuse again!!
Or must I be like JackDaniels Mthembu "Don't buy citypress don't buy" "don't buy security threath don't buy" !!
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Ngwedane
Cl!ck-@ Ngwedane
I'll renovate your face by re-arraging it, so that your Newcastle village won't recognise you.. Bl0ody mosquito!!
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You are a small boy, you don't know on how to fight. Go smoke another tik so that u will get even more higher and higher.
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Dzel
DandanAt some stage zuma is known as std 3, yet you two with degrees but your thinking is far below than zuma. what you are talking about is a minesterial handbook, which it cant at any means be equivalent to the head of state , read again your par 2.3 , under no circumastances the expenses of the Min be equivalent to Pres.
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To this extent I have not put a cap on the amount that can be spent on Security for the President, the issue here is of the R 230m spent on Zuma what is the amount spent on "security features" like a wall, fence, security cameras etc. A helipad is not a security measure, a private hospital is not even an underground bunker is not.
Let them tell us the amount which the PP can verify, this does not in any way compromise the president's security or does it?
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Dzel
TastoDon't buy the Security Threat excuse again!!
Or must I be like JackDaniels Mthembu "Don't buy citypress don't buy" "don't buy security threath don't buy" !!
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Hence my confusion, I've been up in arms regarding this wasteful expenditure so I don't understand how you confused me with someone who is defending Zuma.
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!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - F*** of bafaantjie. Only granny rapists and child molestors speak like that to women.Report Abuse
!!!Sinudeity!!!
Tasto / Dzel - Just like how I confused Tasto for DJ earlier.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
He is planning to marry one young member of Women's league whose name is still confidentialReport Abuse
cocolucho
@dandanWow what a big boy you are! Have you only recently discovered about the female reproductive system?
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Cl!ck-
@ NgwedaneWho said anything about fighting??.. It's your bumpy gravel head that needs the Road side assistance.. *side-eyeing this wanna be clown*
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Gibraltar
Is the president stupid. 10 years from now when he is no longer president and no influence on corrupt deals who in the hell is gonna fork for the upkeep of this mini city? Lets say it cost R400ml in total to construct and upgrade, 2% of this might be annual upkeep of the Palace, thats R8m a year by then he will be grossing, say R6m annually. How the fu*k does he think he is going to afford it. This is before food, wives, children and the next generation ARV's.Report Abuse
Dandan
!!!Sinudeity!!!Dandan - F*** of bafaantjie. Only granny rapists and child molestors speak like that to women.
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do you know what this woman has been telling for some ages, I 've begged her to stay out of me , she keeps on running after me like a mating do.g , I 've lost patience with her , pissed off completely. I gave her enough space to stay away from me I cant be blamed, no I was tired
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!!!Sinudeity!!!
Dandan - Its a public f***ing forum. If you dont like people commenting on your comments, then f*** off. Disrespecting MommaC like that, is not on./spit
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Winilen
DzelWinilen
Tell me how many people who use their family status to win business contracts/tenders etc, you telling me that wrong because Zuma is president, common man!
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Again logic is important;
1. I negotiate with a business owner that I will secure tenders and government favours for them in return they have to pay me for facilitating the tender and favours.
2. Because it will raise suspicion if I were to receive the money directly I use my son as a front and package the bribe as a BEE transaction.
3. I then get payment when monies are paid, profits made and dividends declared.
Tell me you can connect the dots boss, why should something as obvious as this be explained to you?
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That maybe it true Dzel, we not sure that what Zuma did that & at this time it your assumption.
I am not defending Zuma dont get me wrong because what he is doing with our money is not right.
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Dandan
@Dzelwell we know very well during aprtheid days a bla.ck man was a subhuman spe.cies, not these days, in the last elections the former Nigerian Pres was a presiding officer at Nkandla he struggled to survive there , well because he was bla.ck nothing important, thank you
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Dandan
!!!Sinudeity!!!ok, point taken
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Dzel
WinilenThat maybe it true Dzel, we not sure that what Zuma did that & at this time it your assumption.
I am not defending Zuma dont get me wrong because what he is doing with our money is not right.
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Come on dude. Guptas, Zuma and his son; what do you think that was about?
A responsible president would not allow himself to even be in a situation like this as it raises a lot of questions.
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Skhumbasengwenya
You people should go and renovate your homes and stop making noise.Take the money you spend on expensive alcohol every weekend and parties,it will make a difference.Zuma and Khulubuse don't drink and smoke and party till morning like you and me.In 3 years time there will be a huge difference.NOTE:an average educated person in SA spends close to R3000.00 a month on entertainment (a black man's meaning of entertainment in SA is boozing and hlokolozing women)Report Abuse
Cl!ck-
@ SkhumbasengwenyaYou should've saved your Idols voting money also..
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BlackSeed
!!!Sinudeity!!!Not that I agree with the comments of Dandan towards MommaC; however, you also throw bigotry daily but you still wrong in others?
No bigotry is worse than the other
Classifying errors causes misconception
Be true to yourself
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Skhumbasengwenya
@ ClickIf u notice i also included myself in this bad living.Thats why i;ve decided to quit boozing and smoking,i want to renovate that old 4 roomed house i grew in.Luckily i was never a fan of those to be Americans,I still prefer my Freddy Gwala,Mambazo,Johhny Glegg etc
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Mrazane
hahahhhahahahahhhahahaaaaaaa ROTF hey lo baba if it wasn't corruption it would really be funny. Where does the family get the money.Report Abuse
Mhambuma1
@cornelius - Compare him with for example the Obama's, Cameron's, Merkel's of this world and hang your head in embarrasment............................................
Why do you have to compare our Prez to those who grew up with golden spoons in their mouths?
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
So, nobody sat down with the president and told him that they were going to spend R200-odd million? How is that possible? I thought the the Ministerial Handbook said no more than R100 000.Report Abuse
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