mambozana

the goverment is to be blamed for not controlling the borders and migration procedures. Corrupt officials as well for taking bribes, creating chaos in Mzantsi. Next time people of mzantsi must get rid of nigerians, damn pretending to own salons whereas they selling drugs. Somalis and zimbabweans atleast they work very hard to earn a living in mzantsi to feed their families back home.
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tpaz

I am not surprised becoz we don't even trust each other. We make you our leader ,you steal from us while we are sleeping.
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Mondi

I agree with the above 2 comments. these people are comitting serious crimes!!
And they are many many in mzanzi. Put back the old army at our borders. They did good job at least!!

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Naija4Life

no worries saffers..u can trust us Naijas...we'll not let u down...
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Mellow

@Tpaz LOL true though and sooo sad its hard to trust a stranger when you cant even trust your own beacuse they forever they advantage
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Pointman

I admit that I am one of the 67% but like @mambozana I distrust certain foreigners only and not all. Because of the criminal activities of some Nigerians I do not trust the community. Pakistanis are the other crowd that should not be trusted. Zimbabweans, Mozambiquans, Malawians I do not have a problem with.
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RobinH

The rampant xenophobia among SOuth Africans is absolutely sickening. Once we were seen as a warm, hospitable nation. Well that;s long d e a d now. Now , if almost anything goes wrong anywhere, the mindless chorus of "send the makwerekwere home" starts up, regardless of who did what, where. Disgusting.
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RobinH

tpaz: A WONDERFULLY ASTUTE OBSERVATION> GREAT!!!! Thanks.
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uMnuz

If foreigners put as much effort, strength and determination into improving life in their own land as they do into biting the hand that feeds them, they could make their own country a place to call home. I HAVE no problem with genuine ones. It is our duty to help where we can.


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Kabelo10

I don't trust Nigerians PERIOD!!!
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Prade101

I can understantand the frustration and insecurity of an average SA citizen towards certain foreigner Nationals, a lot of them are known to have commited heinous crimes against their host communities, while the government is doing nothing or little to curb these unacceptable practices.

However, African people needs to learn to embrace and love one another, when we love one another obviously, we will respect, support and cherish one another and ultimately, we will not abuse one another, about 80% of black South Africans thinks the word Immigrant only refers to black Africans, I do not blame them, that's what Apartheid system has taught South Africans, South Africans generally will embrace western white Immigrant ahead of fellow black Africans.
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RobinH

Prade: "South Africans generally will embrace western white Immigrant ahead of fellow black Africans" - Although in practice this might appear to be so (although I am very unhappy about the racist undertones here), I would suiggest that it is the dollar and the euro that are "embraced", rather than the colour.
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sabza007

@RobinH
Prade: "South Africans generally will embrace western white Immigrant ahead of fellow black Africans" - Although in practice this might appear to be so (although I am very unhappy about the racist undertones here), I would suiggest that it is the dollar and the euro that are "embraced", rather than the colour.
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While that might be true to some extend, South Africans see that Westerns who are committing serious, violent contact crime or fraud are very few. If I see a Hollander or a Japanese I don't worry at all.Then our so called African Brothers and Sisters are a menace to S.A Society. I don't have to tell you why. Rhino Poaching,Human trafficking,Cars hi-jacking, Bank Robberies, Murder,Fraud and etc thats where are so called African Brothers (Mainly) make living.
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sabza007

@Sowetan Moderator:

*&^%^&^*&%#%@%#^%&&* ! Stop deleting my comments, I am expressing my views.
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RobinH

sabza: I am trying to steer clear of discussion that can easily devolve into racist rhetoric. The moderator is hard at work being idiotic again this morning.
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babyfats

kabelo me 2 , ill rather stay with the crocodiles in my yard dan those Nijas akgaaaaaaaa
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Voetzek

419 its just a game, you are the moegoe ,i am a master, i go chop your dollar
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Hail

Is hard to trust anyone this days let alone foreigners. My problem is they coming in huge numbers that end up giving police a hard time to trace them when they have committed crime. Look @ the horrible killing mostly(not all) is them e.g like the recent boxer. If only they were controllable in terms of coming in the country. What are they doing to make their countries a better place.
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Warren

@Robin H
You have said your piece about what you perceive to be xenophobia by S.A. people,now....
What is your word for the rampant murders,robberies,rapes of South Africans by foreigners?

I am listening.....
Trust is earned and most of them are not doing too well to earn our trust at all.
Are we expected to be passive and docile while we are under siege in our own country? All because a few S.A. people get some peronal favours from foreigners? The percentages are even less than the real sentiment out there.
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Warren

Prade
However, African people needs to learn to embrace and love one another,
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One another is the operative word here. Not we love them and them destroy our kids with drugs and murder our people.

Prade again
about 80% of black South Africans thinks the word Immigrant only refers to black Africans,
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Because 80% of the people they see roaming around selling drugs,robbing them,replacing them at their low income jobs are indeed millions of illegal black African immigrants.

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RobinH

Warren, my response would be much the same as it is w.r.t. the "rampant murders,robberies,rapes of South Africans" by fellow South Africans. You peopple need to get some perspective. Of the millions of foreigners in this country, a very small percentage are guilty of these things. The vast majority are decent hard-working people, something sorely lacking in a vast number of South Africans. So please, off that high horse of South African perfection please. we are a severly fractured nation. We need to heal ourselves before going bos about foreigners.
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Warren

@Sabza007
You are right. Most of them are....so called African brothers, not real real brothers.
A real brother will not come into your home to feed drugs to your kids,fleece your money and commit crimes that will cause instability in your home and make people see your home as the worst place to be.


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shrink7

proudly xenophobic, i even have a bumper sticker.
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Warren

RobinH
So please, off that high horse of South African perfection please. we are a severly fractured nation. We need to heal ourselves before going bos about foreigners.
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I suppose " we need to heal ourselves BEFORE going bos about foreigners" suggest that in the meantime we zip it and ignore what foreigners are doing in this country up until we are 100% percent "healed"?
It is some of our fellow South Africans who need to get off their selective "humanitarian" high horses that shield deeds by foreigners against our people. The presence of this multitudes of illegal foreigners in the country has a potential to increase service delivery dissent and distabilize the economy and taint the government. Maybe thats why some minority locals see no wrong in the whole thing.


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Warren

RobinH
Of the millions of foreigners in this country, a very small percentage are guilty of these things. The vast majority are decent hard-working people, something sorely lacking in a vast number of South Africans
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Talking percentages,I guess the 67% S.A. people who dont trust foreigners are wrong and unduely insecure? Isnt 67% a majority in any finding?

Talking perspective, I guess you do have percentages of South Africans that SORELY LACK the quality to be described by you as decent hard working people,like you do the foreigners.
Being a man of percentages and proper perspectives,I suppose you have hard facts and figures to back your findings on the comparison?
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RobinH

Warren: Trying to reason with you is clearly a waste of time, but let us try. It is just false logic to brand an entire mass of people because a small percentage behave in a certain manner. It's like saying "all blacks look alike" or "all asians have slanted eyes". Of course I do not have a phalanx of figures (who does) and your demand is absurd. It is simply a question of logic, as I explain in the previous sentence. As for my suggestion that many South Africans sorely lack a reasonable work ethic: One need only look at virtually any page of any newspaper to see the massive feeling of entitlement that is crippling this country, and this is NOT a racially charged statement. It pervaeds all permutations of race. So again, with respect, I suggest you apply simple logic and attempt at least a reasonable facsimile of rationale. Have a good afternoon.
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BLACKBARBIE1209

uMnuz
If foreigners put as much effort, strength and determination into improving life in their own land as they do into biting the hand that feeds them, they could make their own country a place to call home. I HAVE no problem with genuine ones. It is our duty to help where we can.

I AGREE
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Warren

@RobinH
I also feel that trying to reason with you on this particular one is a complete waste of my time.
So with respect,I declare a stalemate but refuse to question your capacity for a reasonable fascimile of rationale.
Fortunately, what you said and what I said will be on this article for the day at least,so, somewhere between your argument and my argument,lies the truth for someone else to deduce.
If you were nearby,I would suggest a handshake and closure on this one without conceeding any of my arguments. A good afternoon to you too my dear fellow.

@Voezek
419 its just a game, you are the moegoe ,i am a master, i go chop your dollar
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Fine, until we play our game,then we be the master,we go chop your thieving ass and somebody cries xenophobia.
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RobinH

Warren, whatever, How immature can you get, man. Have a good afternoon.
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sabza007

BOKO HARAM,AL QAEDA, AL JIHAAD members are in South Africa, the safe heaven for Militants,drug Lords, Dictators and whatever destruction group or movement you can think of.
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Warren

RobinH, maturity or immaturity lies in the opinion of the beholder. I will again reserve my opinion on my perceptions i.t.r. A good afternoon to you.

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Prade101

@sabza007 - Which of the heinous crime being perpetrated by these evil organisations hasn't South Africans committed before, look at yourself in the mirror what you see is the combination of all the above mentioned organisations.
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Prade101

I challenge the authorities and everyone involved in the fight against crime and corruption to give it their all, if the Police, immigration and the customs officials will stop collecting bribes and do what they are supposed to do this country would be a better place.
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Warren

@sabza007
They all never had it this easy setting up in a country anywhere in the world.
Completely new I.D. citizenship and passport in one day. Guess who's passport's integrity gets double scrutinized when travelling,due to this?
Guess who waived existing immigration laws aside and possesses a diplomatic passport that never gets unduely scrutinized?
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Warren

Prade101
I challenge the authorities and everyone involved in the fight against crime and corruption to give it their all, if the Police, immigration and the customs officials will stop collecting bribes and do what they are supposed to do this country would be a better place.
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The truth is that our country's law enforcement agencies has more than the necessary capability to nip the whole thing in its bud. Strategic prioritization and placement of the right eyes and ears and the right emphasis on process and human integrity with swift punishment for culprits should easily do the trick.
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sabza007

@Prade101
Which of the heinous crime being perpetrated by these evil organisations hasn't South Africans committed before, look at yourself in the mirror what you see is the combination of all the above mentioned organisations.
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Just read carefully what you wrote above,especially the ....''hasn't South Africans committed before''.......South Africans don't go around bombing churches,learning institutions like your Boko Haram. Secondly, I am not saying South Africans don't commit crime BUT you have never heard anywhere wherever S.Ans are based that they have raped, they have robbed banks, they killed that country's farmers, selling drugs, hi-jacking and so on.

The number of South Africans in foreign countries jails is a drop in the ocean than the foreigners that are behind bars in South Africa for serious violent crimes, drugs or fraud !!!!!! Don't try to defend the obvious.
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somaartakeit

we can't be expected to be for criminals when we are against one another (not getting along with each other as SAns) so foreign ppl don't take it person, we are just a discriminative nation please accept this and move also accept my apology in advance for any discrimination as a result of your being a foreigner that comes your way.
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Mawiki

May I also add that some foreign nationals have fled their countries for political crimes. How can we discriminate fugitives of the law from genuine refugees? It's difficult. Generally, I sympathize with refugees that fled repressive states.
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somaartakeit

@Mawiki, I agree with you but I don't think the issue is about them or us its more about teh fight for meagre resources, everywhere in the world ppl are fighting over resources and those perceived to be outsiders are first to be discriminated, for the big part the gov should have ensured *(before opening the borders) that there are resources in place (budgeted for)to cater for hte influx, it is also a failure of AU that we have so many African refugees not only in SA but everywhere in the world, the AU needs to jerk itself up if it is to be taken serious.
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Warren

@Mawiki
What you say about political refugees is true. The problem is that with the waiving aside of the laws the requires all undocumented refugees to be arrested and deported,there is no more a need for refugees to have a valid reason to be here,therefore, no need to identify them according to reasons why they are here.
A political refugee and a fugitive from the law are all welcome in their millions without consultation with locals in S.A.,regardless of what their impact is on S.A. communities.
Sad for legitimate political refugees who truely deserve our sympathy and help.
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Warren

@Somaartakeit
I agree with your view concerning the opening of borders without first planning and budgeting for our "guests". Now millions are expected to survive on their own in direct competition with locals and even at the expense of locals.
Thats my daily song of selfish and inconsiderate people who only made sure that they and their close families would be fine and then arrogantly declared the rest of the country and its resources,open for all by even waiving away existing controls.
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Neter

Saying that South Africans do not trust foreigners is and understatement. In reality we all know that South Africans are the most Xenophobics people in the world.
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thandoluhle

south africans don't trust anyone.

zulus don't like xhosas
sothos despise vendas
blacks hate whites and vice versa
Gauteng don't like limpopo
KZN hate Eastern cape
DA will never eat with ANC
cope don't like IFP

hayike this country is full of hatred yaz
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Neter
In reality we all know that South Africans are the most Xenophobics people in the world.
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No Neter,the reality is that South Africa has the highest number of illegal foreigners in the world and they dont live under 24/7 protection from "xenophobic" South Africans.
How do you reconcile this fact with your claim? Why are the foreigners still here and not all dead or gone? Are they missing out on the xenophobia that you claim to"all know" about?
Instead it is South Africans that are persecuted by this foreigners.
You guys think that you can keep us quite and docile forever by always mentioning the magic word "xenophobia" to make us feel guilty about challenging the effects of illegal,undocumented and unplanned foreigners in our country. You are abusing the word xenobhobia.
In your words "The most xenophobis people in the world" are hosts to the highest number of refugees in the world. Is that not a contradiction?
I actually wish all this foreign criminals thought like you,then most of them would not be here and some South African farmers and other people would still be alive,21 old women in Venda would go to their ancestors without being raped by an illegal Zimbabwean refugee.
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Warren

@thandoluhle
I respect your view but,pls cite some prominent incidents of all that inter tribal and inter provincial friction.
I think it would make your sweeping statement more credible than it sounds now really.
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Warren

"The sentiments come from the fear of the unknown. We tend to think that people who are not from us can create some kind of danger" - Researcher
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Mr researcher, this sentiments actually comes from the FEAR OF THE KNOWN, not the unknown.
We know what most of this foreigners are capable of when they go scarvenging to survive. We see it everyday.

If it was a fear of the unknown,it would have been there when they first arrived,when we did not know what they are about.
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Adolphus1

Guys the survey actually shows that most of SA welcome foreigners, look at the results again! Only with regards to ‘Trust’ is the result negative, but who trusts anyone these days anyway? Consider the following:
1. If u go back far enough, every1 is a foreigner.
2. If all foreigners must go home, SA nationals working abroad all over the world will also need to go home.
3. Nationalities can change but nativity can never change. SA can become Mandeland tomorrow, Some Nigerians could become Biafrans tomorrow (just as some SAfricans today were Ciskeian yesterday), but Africans will be Africans forever, Zulus will always be Zulus, Shona will always be Shona, etc., that is the name God gave them and NO 1 can ever change that.
4. People of all nationalities have always migrated from creation & it won’t stop just now; which is why no nation is yet to be totally depopulated. If u make legal migration impossible, u make illegal migration inevitable.
5. I dream of a visa-less, borderless world where world leaders will work together to provide support for ALL destitute persons in the world regardless of their geographical location.
6. If every1 is taking sides in this debate I wonder which ones of u are the Christians I was with in church last Sunday in SA! Remember, when the Lord’s trumpet blows, nationality will disappear; whatever u do, secure your citizenship in heaven through love for all humanity. Do not lose your eternal inheritance because of a mere bowl of soup.
God bless u all!

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