Wow, their own Phosa is out. They know him well. Phosa is a dictator, he must first pay the SKONKWANE owners their money before elected. He was drunk by Malema's gogo's mqombothi when he was running around. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Then again, it makes no difference who the ANC elects anymore, the emperor is naked to me. Report Abuse
Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
phumasbethane
Hail
Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa:
It is people like you who mislead the nation, did he buy the buffalo? or outbidden on it. there is a diffrence between bidding and buying. get your facts right broer and stop lying to people, he ended up not buying that buffalo and its calf because he was outbidden. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
warry
@ Hail, Ramaphosa bid a buffalo for aR18m cause he worked hard for it and he owns lot of farms doing animal farming, unlike those drag to court because they bankrupt a province, have no medicines, niks at all but are being supported and seeking iPads in front of court to submit responses to court.understand the system how government work, being rich doesn't mean give money to poor families but atleast donate to charity that will take care of the needy. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Pointman
This is not the time to get excited now. We are going to get a bad guy or a very bad guy as president. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
cornelius
@Hail at least he is using his own money, made from good business acumen, not our money like Zuma. Cyril for president please, otherwise Mothlanthe. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
warry
@ you can fool those in limpopo Hail but not the rest. I am also in Limpopo and so happy to see the winds of change. They going door down down down the drain, some will be out forever.
Remember after Motlhanthe took as acting president how his name was plugged in the newspapers about a young girl in his life as a lover and who was behind that, Phosaweeeeee and now he is campaigning for him to stand against Zuma. Can motlhanthe trust him? Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Publc2
Oh what happened with my beatiful province (MP)?.Why chose Zuma? I rest my case.I was not even aproached before making this decision nxa lol. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Maqhankqa
The leadership it had chosen were “beyond reproach in political and social conduct” and “principled, firm, humble, and considerate”.
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The above statement says it all. Just NEGATE THE STATEMENT and all you will get will be epitomized by the conduct of these preferred crooks. By the way its befitting of Mpumalanga to think in such a manner. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
overthemoon
Mpumalanga has always been pro Zuma that's why they nearly shoot the DG in some meeting earlier this year. Most of those who are not for Zuma has make a resolution that they are not going to vote in the next election if Zuma is going to be the Pres.
@ Warry It is not my intention to fool any one but the right to express my opinion. It is ok for you to express your view too.@Cornelius we all know about the shares at Lonmin where his own brothers were exploited. As for the president misusing our money , true. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Phathuza
Our country is goingd own another term for this shower man , The appointment of simelane was invalid, Weddings every year , misuse of tax payers money Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Thebuster
Zuma is winning this term again,but a change would have been gud though nothing personel Mr President Zuma it's just that I need a Intellectual person with a Qualification and pedigree nyana yu see. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Who cares since mpumalanga people are bit zulus. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, Zuma has won, ladies and gentlemen. KZN, Women's league and Mpumalanga are good enough. The next province will just be a bonus...
I told you people, I told you...
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Not sure why the prospect of Zuma winning the ANC presidency excites you, I am yet to hear a coherent argument on what makes Zuma a good leader from you.
Given the amount of corruption in the party and looting of state coffers I am actually hoping he wins the presidency of the ANC. If he wins and the ANC fields them as their presidential candidate this will give us the public - not ANC members - the opportunity to be heard by passing a vote of no confidence against him or vote for another disastrous term under his absent leadership.
The corruption has gotten so bad we need to see arrests and prosecution of those involved starting from the top, this will not happen so long as the ANC is in power so I am hoping for a change in the ruling party so that we can start seeing people being held accountable for their actions. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Seja-Bana
THE RACE TO MANGAUNG HAS STARTED, WHO WILL COME UP TOPS. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
RobinH
Do we really need a daily blow by blow account of this absurd internal issue? They're all very dubious in any case so in my view it makes little difference which blind sheep will lead the blinder flock. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Phathuza
Zuma is a liability in this country , even new born baby can see Zuma is not fit for the oofice ,Stupid Descions, Appointment of Smelane , Bheki Cele , Corruption, The Guptas , Weddings , babies out of wedlock , man with out morals Turning nkandla into a new york city relying too much on adviserd , vision less man
What has Zuma done to deserve a second term??????????????
But people cant see, He is using muti from kwaqmhlaba uyalingana
Even if he can win i wont vote for this man Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
DJ-Winner
@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons... Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
thinya
I think Mpumalanga you are on the right track, this is an exciting and respectable team of leaders, but ntate Ramaphosa should not buy another bull. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
phumasbethane
@hail @ Warry It is not my intention to fool any one but the right to express my opinion. It is ok for you to express your view too.@Cornelius we all know about the shares at Lonmin where his own brothers were exploited. As for the president misusing our money , true
Again hail, you are missing the point, the guy does not have shares at lonmin, shanduka has less than 10% shares, and that is nothing, just a tiny drop of water. he does not have any solid say on any decision. go thru the facts and stop being misled. you are getting the information and jumping into conclusion without verifying, there are pple trying to push their agendas and is unfortunate that they find people like you who are always ready to be misinformed. go to busness magazinews, news and get the facts, you will then realize where you are living and you will be wise economically...thanks Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
DJ-Winner
Phathuza
But people cant see, He is using muti from kwaqmhlaba uyalingana
Even if he can win i wont vote for this man
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Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself... Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Days
Well said really.
He's principled because he believes that if a woman is wearing a kanga she is saying lets have s@x.
He's firm that is shown by his police force shooting to kill the same citizens they are supposed to protect.
He's humble because anyone saying anything about him, being true or not, that he does not like will be expelled from his personnal organisation the ANC.
He's considerate because while millions of South Africans live in poverty stricken shacks with no proper sanitation, water and stormwater drainage, he can afford to take from the taxpayers' money over R50. million a year for Goodwill Zwelithini and afford himself an over R200 million compound and then increase his salary while he is killing others who want the same increase to thiers. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Phathuza
DJ-Winner
@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons...
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What reasons Zuma will go down to history as the worst president ever. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Shredder
@DJ-Winner - Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself...
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But I won't. Last time I made a huge mistake by voting for him. Once beaten twice shy. Report Abuse
All those who voted for him are forgiven , Lets not vote, you cant say you are voting for ANC who is heading the ANC ITS Zuma . We cant afford to vote for him again , This guy is a liability , he is good in dancing only , This old man must go and rest with his wives in Nkandla , i know Zulus will vote for him Report Abuse
@All except djwinner
Good people please ignore the rantings and raving of this dj, the container that his brain is in has been contaminated due to a piercing by a spear that has left some spillage in his brain, not to worry though, if he takes a shower he may be able to get rid of the liquids contaminating his brain. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
thinya
Mpumalanga will send 467, 467+900 from KZN = 1300. Moshlozi has won the race already. Report Abuse
@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons...
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No you haven't, if you feel you can justify your position you are welcome to repeat them again instead of asking me go on a wild goose chase. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
DJ-Winner
Shredder
@DJ-Winner - Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself...
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But I won't. Last time I made a huge mistake by voting for him. Once beaten twice shy.
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We don't know about that yet. Look, we still have a whole 2013. Anything can still happen.....
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cocolucho
@All except djwinner
Good people please ignore the rantings and raving of this dj, the container that his brain is in has been contaminated due to a piercing by a spear that has left some spillage in his brain, not to worry though, if he takes a shower he may be able to get rid of the liquids contaminating his brain.
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Same joke is not funny twice... Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Phathuza
The split is looming , If Zuma wins aftewr mangaung there will be a split mark my words Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
cornelius
@DJWinner - I will give credit to JZ for taking a strong stand against Malema - that was necessary because Malema was ignoring all attempts to instill discipline and left Zuma with no choice, if he did not want to see the ANC being regarded as mickey mouse with no discipline. He desrevs credit for that, but he has failed on so many other points that he cannot continue. Surely there must be someone else who can maintain discipline and also provide better leadership in general, or are we saying this man is the best we have to lead SA ? Report Abuse
In the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:
"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
How on earth do these politicians get those who live in shacks and go to textbook-less schools to be more concerned about who rules the palace over how we are going to get out of this mess we are in?
It is mind boggling over how much emphasize is placed on who rules the ANC. Neither Zuma or Motlanthe have clear plans or policies that they represent in order to solve this crisis. Voting for either is no better than voting for a rat that eats the remains of a decaying corpse. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tikoloshe
Phathuza
Dzel
..You guys need to realize that a lot of us here in KZN realize that JZ is not the ideal candidate with all his faults and issues; and it's our intention to retire him back here to KZN Headquarters in Nkhandla once we have stabilized the NEC and have a worthy successor such as Cyril Ramaphosa in the Deputy President's seat.
The crisis in the ANC has been caused by Mothlante who has no leadership skills whatsoever; one who stood back while TB was being stabbed in the back by Malema!!! This guy has masterminded the leadership crisis in our movement and needs to go retire on a fence somewhere on his 7 month President pension for life!!!! Look at the people he is trying to surround him in his bid for election...Madikizela, Malema, Phosa, etc etc....he will just become Malema's little puppy dog if elected. Do we want this in Mzansi?
Relax everyone, things are going to be great after Mangaung.....Mzansi will ecperience greatness and peace again. Msholozi has had no opportunity to lead this country because he has been pre-occupied with internal ANC matters caused by those now on the limpopo slates!!!!
the views expressed in this article are that of the mpumalanga provincial executive committee and brances are yet to debate the list.
i would say the ordinary man on the street would dare to differ... Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
snazz
Cyril from a Renowned Trade Unionist to an Infamous Capitalist.Good Luck Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
ChampRef
Zuma for second term, finish and klaar, and then after six months wa tloga go tsena Cyril, seriti seo fela. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Patsekg
"As part of the PEC’s task of providing guidance to the African National Congress branches in the province it had chosen leaders who satisfied the character of the party, understood ANC policy, and could apply it under all conditions, Ndinisa said".
On the basis of what is written above, I agree 100% that this slate is a perfect one, although Pres Zuma's inclussion is only strategic, the rest of the members are most capable of taking the ANC out of its present situation. Let's put it in this way, Zuma is no longer going to be fully involved, he is going to deligate most of the responsibilities to Cyril Ramaphosa, just like Mandela did during his time as president, he deligated most of his responsibilities to Thabo Mbeki, preparing him to take over as he was planning to step down. I believe it is going to be the same with Zuma. Zuma has a better understanding of the ANC, its constitution and how it should be applied without fear, however, it is his poor judgement that lets him down and this has led to him making some of the most embarrassing mistakes. So my personal wish is for Zuma to win so that at long last we can have a president like Cyril Ramaphosa, i just wish Ramaphosa's deputy can be Trevor Manuel or Joel Netshitendze, these are people who understand the ANC better, they will never compromise the constitution of the ANC so that it can favour the people they like. Unlike Motlanthe who is a very good person by nature, but would compromise the ANC's constitution to favour Julius Malema and his gang. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tsar-Rasputin
Here is hypothesis for honours students:
" Corrupt, incompetent and ill informed provinces nominated showerhead" Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Patsekg
@Phumasbethane
"Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him".
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My friend, Ramaphosa did not buy the Buffalo, he was bidding for it anyway but someone else beat him to it. It was bought by another bussiness man who paid around R22 million more than what Ramaphosa was prepared to pay. Ramaphosa has apologised for trying to spend R18 million on a Buffalo, in the face of many that are living in poverty. He has apologised even though it was his money and the Buffalo was an investment as it would make more Buffalos of its nature where he would again make millions of rands in profit. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tibub
Big ups to the province of mpumalanga for choosing those gentlemen even though Msholozi is not my favourite person and like i said b4 i will say it again those hooligans from Limpopo masquerading as politicians must be removed from the ANC either by book , hook or crook Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Retlaw
@ NwanaPhiri
the views expressed in this article are that of the mpumalanga provincial executive committee and brances are yet to debate the list. i would say the ordinary man on the street would dare to differ..
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People are dissatisfied with Zuma leadership and his cronies, Hope ANC branches across the country will be responsible enough to do the right thing. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Mswazi
Lafa live lamswati, Mpumalanga elect Zuma's name - Corruption again, i guese it is DD who push this to cover his ass.
Zuma and his cabinets not derseve to be a press any more. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Mswazi
@Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Agree with you MP mean Mampara or Many potholes not Mathew & Pinky.
We are in a dark place we need light - mean brileant peason not DD Mabuza the cockroche. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
MissBhakajuju
Kgalema Motlanthe... my honourable President !!! *hats off*
@Lehido
We all David Mabuza is an ass-kisser
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Sorry he is a killer an ass hole not ass-kisser. a cochcroche and robber. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Mswazi
@Seja-Bana
THE RACE TO MANGAUNG HAS STARTED, WHO WILL COME UP TOPS.
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Those how is using a strong Muti and started early to be use on it like DD mabuza, Zuma, and the others. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Mphorozza
This is the end of the ANC if this line up wins. by the way which party can I vote for in 2014? there will be a frustrated vote in me and my friends Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
083Aki
Maybe Mpumalanga is full of rapists and corrupt officials as well, no wonder why they chose this idiot dat we call our president.... Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tikoloshe
Patsekg
...Well put Patsekg, Joel or Trevor will make good DP to Ramashosa when Umsholozi comes home to our beautiful Kingdom KZN....
Limpopo people must accept this or they can vote in Zim election 2013!!!! This is a good idea to be accepted by all who want to see Mzansi great again!!!! Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tikoloshe
Mphorozza
"This is the end of the ANC if this line up wins. by the way which party can I vote for in 2014? there will be a frustrated vote in me and my friends....."
This tells you a lot about how out of touch the leadership is with the people they represent. I doubt the average person in Mpumalanga would support Zuma! I doubt the Taliban would support Zuma... Yet here we are!!!!!! Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
CharlesTaylor
Ladiiieeeesss and Jentlleeeeeemmeenn!!!!
Let Get ready to Rumbleeeeellllllllllllllllll
In this ANC championship belt, standing on the left corner, wearing black makarabha and white goatee, standing in for his first fight for ANC championship, ladies and jentlemen pease welcome, the Challenger, Goatee Goatee Motlanteeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
And on the right corner, wearing double head shinny Makarabha and smiling mask, now in his second fight for ANC championship, Ladies and Jentlemen, please welcome the Undisputed ANC Champion, Double Head "The Spear" Zooooooooooooooma!!!! Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
CharlesTaylor
We appreciate the informed decision taken by the PEC of Mpumalanga. People must understand that, Mpumalanga has not yet nominated the aforementioned. These are preferred candidates by the PEC, branches are yet to combine and come up with their nominations.
We believe together, MP, FS, KZN, NP, ANCWL, ANCVL, Cosatu, SACP will be able to bring the required result for the well-being of the party. Thanks to ANC KZN for initiating consultation meetings with other provinces with different views so that when they loose they don't feel bitter like Lekota and co. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
Malema and his crew + his followers are screwed, Mangaung Pres is for JZ,
Deputy is either Motlante or Cyril
Bad campaingn and failed campaign from the youth league.
ANC is not for mofies.
Can the Youth league have Media conference, i wish to hear what are they now going to say
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Malema now foresee the direction of the pot full of gravy. his "new strategy card" is that
in Dec or next month, Malema will praise Jacob Zuma's leadership as a President and Motlante's leadership as a Deputy President
All Malema followers will be left stranded and confused Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tbo.touch
Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Maybe we should shut down all the coal mines....gues what, eskom will shut down too....oh maybe u might just get a little bit of petrol Report Abuse
I just like this province , hence its progressive, well done Mpumalanga , hence every thing is going so well Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
mhlupheki
as long Phosa is out i am happy, he is sell out Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
WarrenG
No man not this chump again. Please can we have a leader who is 1) Educated 2) trustworthy 3) is not a sex maniac 4) has the nation in mind 5) can deliver a speech 6) is not an embarrassment to SA
This guy is a joke of a leader. He can go and lead with his king in Nkandla Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
CharlesTaylor
Zuma for President, I like it for Zuma he can really play his game jealous down!!!
Against Mbeki it was toyitoyi and militant (win)
Against Motlante/Malema it is quiet diplomacy (win) Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Dzel
Tikoloshe
Phathuza
Dzel
..You guys need to realize that a lot of us here in KZN realize that JZ is not the ideal candidate with all his faults and issues; and it's our intention to retire him back here to KZN Headquarters in Nkhandla once we have stabilized the NEC and have a worthy successor such as Cyril Ramaphosa in the Deputy President's seat.
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So in shot you are saying the best way to stabilise the organisation is by electing a weak and corrupt leader who has led the country from crisis to crisis and does not have the balls to deal with an Angie Motsekga for example because of the votes she can bring him?
That logic makes little sense my friend; it is self-serving and will be bought by people who are naive enough. If indeed organisational unity is the primary consideration then you need someone who is not part of factions and has required leadership skills to guide the party back into a healthy situation. I can handle a Cyril Ramaphosa for example as president or better yet a Trevor Manuel who is probably the best candidate the ANC can field under the circumstances.
If you are genuine about your intentions the party would change its electoral system to one that is based on merit and not who your friends are and how are they going to benefit from your re-election. If you are genuine the party would sit Jacob down and discuss his performance frankly pointing out his many failures and why it does not serve the interests of the party and the country to have him as president for the second term.
Telling me you know he is useless and then pointing fingers at the other camp is not smart at all. You should concentrate on the damage he has done and what a disastrous prospect a second term would be as all indications are things will not get better if anything they will continue to go downhill from here. It has taken half-a-term for him to turn our country into a joke and you think giving him another full term is the solution. Come on bozza, you can do better than this and for the record this logic will work with a class of Grade 2s, not here.
WarrenG
No man not this chump again. Please can we have a leader who is 1) Educated 2) trustworthy 3) is not a sex maniac 4) has the nation in mind 5) can deliver a speech 6) is not an embarrassment to SA
This guy is a joke of a leader. He can go and lead with his king in Nkandla
There are very few if any in the current anc that conform to your criteria. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Msiphos00
Hail
Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa.
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The leadership it had chosen were “beyond reproach in political and social conduct” and “principled, firm, humble, and considerate”.
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The above statement says it all. Just NEGATE THE STATEMENT and all you will get will be epitomized by the conduct of these preferred crooks. By the way its befitting of Mpumalanga to think in such a manner
Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Taking from the above statements that has been written by clever people from a province or provinces where there are clever people, if I read here the PEC has suggested these names and the branches will meet and nominate candidates which the PEC will combine and forward to the NEC. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Nenzani
Wow, which people are accessible and flexible, idiot. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Msiphos00
Nenzani
Wow, which people are accessible and flexible, idiot
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Maybe those deep in the rural areas are not accessible, then about flexible I don't know Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Tikoloshe
Dzel
....Dzel, sit yourself down and think through a solution bearing in mind that the ANC is not about to lose any election in the near future!!!!!
To make it easier for you, there are only two alternatives as you've seen from developments so far leading to Mangaung so think and you may develop some logic!!! Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
CharlesTaylor
Zuma for President, I like it for Zuma he can really play his game jealous down!!!
Against Mbeki it was toyitoyi and militant (win)
Against Motlante/Malema it is quiet diplomacy (win)
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Zuma Msholozi always carry a winning card on his sleeve. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Dzel
Tikoloshe
....Dzel, sit yourself down and think through a solution bearing in mind that the ANC is not about to lose any election in the near future!!!!!
To make it easier for you, there are only two alternatives as you've seen from developments so far leading to Mangaung so think and you may develop some logic!!!
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Don't you get it, the country is going to the dogs with every day that passes and your so-called solution will lead to further chaos for everyone concerned.
The problem is you think the ANC is not going to lose any election, not sure about that. Do you have any idea how p-d off the public is with your useless Zuma and how many will not accept him having another go at destroying our country? Perhaps you may not lose this election but trust me with Zuma as the party leader and presidential candidate then expect the ANC to bleed votes.
Stability of our country and having a leader who has;
1. the required leadership skills,
2. who is intelligent,
3. who can lead the country without looting our coffers,
4. make illogical decisions and make decision that are in the interest of the country and its people, and
5. govern as a real leader should...
... is more important than internal ANC considerations and if you had two brain cells to think with you'd understand why a Zuma second term is stupid to put it mildly.
Enjoy yourself in Mangaung but keep in mind it is the rest of South Africa's population that will vote in 2014, be very careful of a public backlash. Never ever take the electorate for granted however stupid you may think we are.
Uza nge-logic ye two cents la and you have the audacity to tell me to sit down. Report Abuse
I just need a solution within the context of the current circumstances; we all know what the possible outcomes of JZ's election could possibly be!!!
I'll probably join you for a beer if the ANC sheds votes in the next election as this will be great for enforcing their accountability to the electorate amongst other things; but within the context of the circumstances this doesn't appear a reality!!! Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Dzel
Tikoloshe
I just need a solution within the context of the current circumstances; we all know what the possible outcomes of JZ's election could possibly be!!!
I'll probably join you for a beer if the ANC sheds votes in the next election as this will be great for enforcing their accountability to the electorate amongst other things; but within the context of the circumstances this doesn't appear a reality!!!
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What we need are solutions that address all problems. You don't solve a problem by creating a bigger disaster. Another Zuma presidency will make a state of affairs much worse, please explain to me how is this a solution?
As stated before I am hoping Zuma is retained as ANC president, I have long given up hopes of common sense prevailing within the ANC rank and file. The only way the ANC will learn is if they put the frustration of the man on the street to test. The good thing is there will still be a year and four months of further chaos leading up to Mangaung to make the public resolve even stronger. Hopefully then e-tolling will be a reality, all the factors needed to turn the electorate against the ANC and lead to a revolt through the ballot will be present.
Let's see how the public reacts then, I will personally campaign for votes to go to the DA so the message hits ANC leadership like a ton of bricks. Enough of this regressive thinking, we are not doing ourselves favours by electing the worst of us to important positions like these. You have no idea how p-d off it makes me that the country is held hostage by stupidity, we could not have done our country, ourselves and our kids a greater injustice. I can't even send my kids to public schools because Angie the Dragon is intent on destroying the little credibility our schooling system still had left. Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
Nenzani
Mpumalanga, is just the smallest province why worry even if they choose leaders Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
TheWill1
SA I rest my case, we need a very good opposition if we ever want to change things in this country and the frightening thing is, there is no contender at the moment! Report Abuse
Why is it that provincial leaders are usurping the right of ANC branches to decide on leadership? ANC branches in Mpumalanga still have to deliberate on the leadership peferences and the PEC cannot pre-empt that. ANC branches are queens and kings now, and those who pretend that their preferences as provincial leaders are preferences by ANC branches are just deluding themsleves? Report Abuse
Oct 9, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
ANC BRANCHES IN MPUMALAMGA ARE STILL GOPING TO HOLD THEIR BRANCH GENERAL MEETINGS AND NOBODY INCLUDING THE PEC AND THEIR POLITICAL ASSASSINS CAN TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT ENSHRINED IN THE ANC CONSTITUTION. We fought fo our rights as South African citizens, and we cannot allow Zuma factionalists to take away our constitutional rights as ANC members.
No wonder why Mpumalanga will support Zuma, Criminals always support each other.Mpumalanga under the leadership of Mabuza. People are drinking water with animals in Mpumalanga, There will be no place for poor perfoming leaders in President Motlante s Leadership. Report Abuse
100 STOLEN FROM EHLANZENI AND BOHLABELA FROM BRANCHES THAT DID NOT PASS THEIR AUDIT. Report Abuse
Oct 15, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@Toivo
In the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:
"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
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YUO COULD NOT HAVE SAID BETTER. YOU DESERVE A PULLITZER AWARD for this contribution. Those who ignoe what you are saying must braced themselves for newspaper headlines before and after Mangaung. On the eve of Mangaung, the NEW AGE newspaper will be syaing "CLEAN SWEEP FROR ZUMA", "ZUMA ASSURED OF VICTORY" and even outright lies saying "MOTLANTHE CONFIDANTES CONCEDE DEFEAT BEFORE POLL". But after results newspaper headlines will be saying "SHOCK DEFEAT FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA RETREATS TO NKANDLA IN DEFEAT", "MOTLANTHE WINS ANC PRESIDENCY",, "IT IS KGALEMA MOTLANTHE", "ZUMA CONCEDES DEFEAT AND CONGRATULATES MOTLANTHE", "BLADE NZIMANDE WEEPS AFTER ZUMA SHOCK".
@Toivo
In the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:
"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
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YUO COULD NOT HAVE SAID BETTER. YOU DESERVE A PULLITZER AWARD for this contribution. Those who ignoe what you are saying must braced themselves for newspaper headlines before and after Mangaung. On the eve of Mangaung, the NEW AGE newspaper will be syaing "CLEAN SWEEP FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA ASSURED OF VICTORY" and even outright lies saying "MOTLANTHE CONFIDANTES CONCEDE DEFEAT BEFORE POLL". But after results newspaper headlines will be saying "SHOCK DEFEAT FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA RETREATS TO NKANDLA IN DEFEAT", "MOTLANTHE WINS ANC PRESIDENCY",, "IT IS KGALEMA MOTLANTHE", "ZUMA CONCEDES DEFEAT AND CONGRATULATES MOTLANTHE", "BLADE NZIMANDE WEEPS AFTER ZUMA SHOCK".
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KeRataBasadi
"The leadership it had chosen were “beyond reproach in political and social conduct” and “principled, firm, humble, and considerate”."This is a joke right?!
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Lord-Have-Mercy
Zuma Camp "The Tsunami"Report Abuse
warry
Wow, their own Phosa is out. They know him well. Phosa is a dictator, he must first pay the SKONKWANE owners their money before elected. He was drunk by Malema's gogo's mqombothi when he was running around.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Then again, it makes no difference who the ANC elects anymore, the emperor is naked to me.Report Abuse
NTANDA
Stupids!!!!!Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Well, Zuma has won, ladies and gentlemen. KZN, Women's league and Mpumalanga are good enough. The next province will just be a bonus...I told you people, I told you...
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Hail
Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa.Report Abuse
phumasbethane
HailJa ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa:
It is people like you who mislead the nation, did he buy the buffalo? or outbidden on it. there is a diffrence between bidding and buying. get your facts right broer and stop lying to people, he ended up not buying that buffalo and its calf because he was outbidden.
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warry
@ Hail, Ramaphosa bid a buffalo for aR18m cause he worked hard for it and he owns lot of farms doing animal farming, unlike those drag to court because they bankrupt a province, have no medicines, niks at all but are being supported and seeking iPads in front of court to submit responses to court.understand the system how government work, being rich doesn't mean give money to poor families but atleast donate to charity that will take care of the needy.Report Abuse
Pointman
This is not the time to get excited now. We are going to get a bad guy or a very bad guy as president.Report Abuse
cornelius
@Hail at least he is using his own money, made from good business acumen, not our money like Zuma. Cyril for president please, otherwise Mothlanthe.Report Abuse
warry
@ you can fool those in limpopo Hail but not the rest. I am also in Limpopo and so happy to see the winds of change. They going door down down down the drain, some will be out forever.Remember after Motlhanthe took as acting president how his name was plugged in the newspapers about a young girl in his life as a lover and who was behind that, Phosaweeeeee and now he is campaigning for him to stand against Zuma. Can motlhanthe trust him?
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Publc2
Oh what happened with my beatiful province (MP)?.Why chose Zuma? I rest my case.I was not even aproached before making this decision nxa lol.Report Abuse
Maqhankqa
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The above statement says it all. Just NEGATE THE STATEMENT and all you will get will be epitomized by the conduct of these preferred crooks. By the way its befitting of Mpumalanga to think in such a manner.
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overthemoon
Mpumalanga has always been pro Zuma that's why they nearly shoot the DG in some meeting earlier this year. Most of those who are not for Zuma has make a resolution that they are not going to vote in the next election if Zuma is going to be the Pres.Report Abuse
Hail
@ Warry It is not my intention to fool any one but the right to express my opinion. It is ok for you to express your view too.@Cornelius we all know about the shares at Lonmin where his own brothers were exploited. As for the president misusing our money , true.Report Abuse
Phathuza
Our country is goingd own another term for this shower man , The appointment of simelane was invalid, Weddings every year , misuse of tax payers moneyReport Abuse
Thebuster
Zuma is winning this term again,but a change would have been gud though nothing personel Mr President Zuma it's just that I need a Intellectual person with a Qualification and pedigree nyana yu see.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Who cares since mpumalanga people are bit zulus.Report Abuse
Dzel
DJ-WinnerWell, Zuma has won, ladies and gentlemen. KZN, Women's league and Mpumalanga are good enough. The next province will just be a bonus...
I told you people, I told you...
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Not sure why the prospect of Zuma winning the ANC presidency excites you, I am yet to hear a coherent argument on what makes Zuma a good leader from you.
Given the amount of corruption in the party and looting of state coffers I am actually hoping he wins the presidency of the ANC. If he wins and the ANC fields them as their presidential candidate this will give us the public - not ANC members - the opportunity to be heard by passing a vote of no confidence against him or vote for another disastrous term under his absent leadership.
The corruption has gotten so bad we need to see arrests and prosecution of those involved starting from the top, this will not happen so long as the ANC is in power so I am hoping for a change in the ruling party so that we can start seeing people being held accountable for their actions.
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Seja-Bana
THE RACE TO MANGAUNG HAS STARTED, WHO WILL COME UP TOPS.Report Abuse
RobinH
Do we really need a daily blow by blow account of this absurd internal issue? They're all very dubious in any case so in my view it makes little difference which blind sheep will lead the blinder flock.Report Abuse
Phathuza
Zuma is a liability in this country , even new born baby can see Zuma is not fit for the oofice ,Stupid Descions, Appointment of Smelane , Bheki Cele , Corruption, The Guptas , Weddings , babies out of wedlock , man with out morals Turning nkandla into a new york city relying too much on adviserd , vision less manWhat has Zuma done to deserve a second term??????????????
But people cant see, He is using muti from kwaqmhlaba uyalingana
Even if he can win i wont vote for this man
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DJ-Winner
@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons...Report Abuse
thinya
I think Mpumalanga you are on the right track, this is an exciting and respectable team of leaders, but ntate Ramaphosa should not buy another bull.Report Abuse
phumasbethane
@hail @ Warry It is not my intention to fool any one but the right to express my opinion. It is ok for you to express your view too.@Cornelius we all know about the shares at Lonmin where his own brothers were exploited. As for the president misusing our money , trueAgain hail, you are missing the point, the guy does not have shares at lonmin, shanduka has less than 10% shares, and that is nothing, just a tiny drop of water. he does not have any solid say on any decision. go thru the facts and stop being misled. you are getting the information and jumping into conclusion without verifying, there are pple trying to push their agendas and is unfortunate that they find people like you who are always ready to be misinformed. go to busness magazinews, news and get the facts, you will then realize where you are living and you will be wise economically...thanks
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DJ-Winner
PhathuzaBut people cant see, He is using muti from kwaqmhlaba uyalingana
Even if he can win i wont vote for this man
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Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself...
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Days
Well said really.He's principled because he believes that if a woman is wearing a kanga she is saying lets have s@x.
He's firm that is shown by his police force shooting to kill the same citizens they are supposed to protect.
He's humble because anyone saying anything about him, being true or not, that he does not like will be expelled from his personnal organisation the ANC.
He's considerate because while millions of South Africans live in poverty stricken shacks with no proper sanitation, water and stormwater drainage, he can afford to take from the taxpayers' money over R50. million a year for Goodwill Zwelithini and afford himself an over R200 million compound and then increase his salary while he is killing others who want the same increase to thiers.
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Phathuza
DJ-Winner@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons...
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What reasons Zuma will go down to history as the worst president ever.
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Shredder
@DJ-Winner - Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself...========================================================================
But I won't. Last time I made a huge mistake by voting for him. Once beaten twice shy.
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KukuyaLethosa
Zuma is a fool.Report Abuse
Phathuza
All those who voted for him are forgiven , Lets not vote, you cant say you are voting for ANC who is heading the ANC ITS Zuma . We cant afford to vote for him again , This guy is a liability , he is good in dancing only , This old man must go and rest with his wives in Nkandla , i know Zulus will vote for himReport Abuse
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cocolucho
@All except djwinnerGood people please ignore the rantings and raving of this dj, the container that his brain is in has been contaminated due to a piercing by a spear that has left some spillage in his brain, not to worry though, if he takes a shower he may be able to get rid of the liquids contaminating his brain.
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thinya
Mpumalanga will send 467, 467+900 from KZN = 1300. Moshlozi has won the race already.Report Abuse
Lehido
We all David Mabuza is an ass-kisserReport Abuse
Dzel
DJ-Winner@Dzel...I have given you enough reasons, you are refusing to absorb those reasons. There is nothing we can do about that...If you can go to archives and revisit my comments, you can refresh yourself with those reasons...
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No you haven't, if you feel you can justify your position you are welcome to repeat them again instead of asking me go on a wild goose chase.
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DJ-Winner
Shredder@DJ-Winner - Well, you will vote for ANC. People are not votting for a person, but for a party. People will vote for ANC, including you after you calm yourself...
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But I won't. Last time I made a huge mistake by voting for him. Once beaten twice shy.
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We don't know about that yet. Look, we still have a whole 2013. Anything can still happen.....
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cocolucho
@All except djwinner
Good people please ignore the rantings and raving of this dj, the container that his brain is in has been contaminated due to a piercing by a spear that has left some spillage in his brain, not to worry though, if he takes a shower he may be able to get rid of the liquids contaminating his brain.
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Same joke is not funny twice...
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Phathuza
The split is looming , If Zuma wins aftewr mangaung there will be a split mark my wordsReport Abuse
cornelius
@DJWinner - I will give credit to JZ for taking a strong stand against Malema - that was necessary because Malema was ignoring all attempts to instill discipline and left Zuma with no choice, if he did not want to see the ANC being regarded as mickey mouse with no discipline. He desrevs credit for that, but he has failed on so many other points that he cannot continue. Surely there must be someone else who can maintain discipline and also provide better leadership in general, or are we saying this man is the best we have to lead SA ?Report Abuse
Printa
UweeehReport Abuse
DJ-Winner
What happened to our comments? Sowetan...So, you wanted us to insult Zuma? We disappointed you, it seems...Report Abuse
warry
Where are all the comments we posted Sowetan.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
@warry...LOL, we are back live again...Sowetan was just testing us...@cornelius...Atleast we agree in some aspects...
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Dzel
Zapiro does it again ... CLASSICtimeslive.co.za/local/2011/06/13/zapiro-cartoons
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xikosi
should Kgalema wins, then Mabuza and his PEC shud be recalledReport Abuse
Dzel
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2011/06/13/zapiro-cartoons#leafReport Abuse
Toivo
In the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
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The-Rothschilds
How on earth do these politicians get those who live in shacks and go to textbook-less schools to be more concerned about who rules the palace over how we are going to get out of this mess we are in?It is mind boggling over how much emphasize is placed on who rules the ANC. Neither Zuma or Motlanthe have clear plans or policies that they represent in order to solve this crisis. Voting for either is no better than voting for a rat that eats the remains of a decaying corpse.
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PhathuzaDzel
..You guys need to realize that a lot of us here in KZN realize that JZ is not the ideal candidate with all his faults and issues; and it's our intention to retire him back here to KZN Headquarters in Nkhandla once we have stabilized the NEC and have a worthy successor such as Cyril Ramaphosa in the Deputy President's seat.
The crisis in the ANC has been caused by Mothlante who has no leadership skills whatsoever; one who stood back while TB was being stabbed in the back by Malema!!! This guy has masterminded the leadership crisis in our movement and needs to go retire on a fence somewhere on his 7 month President pension for life!!!! Look at the people he is trying to surround him in his bid for election...Madikizela, Malema, Phosa, etc etc....he will just become Malema's little puppy dog if elected. Do we want this in Mzansi?
Relax everyone, things are going to be great after Mangaung.....Mzansi will ecperience greatness and peace again. Msholozi has had no opportunity to lead this country because he has been pre-occupied with internal ANC matters caused by those now on the limpopo slates!!!!
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NwanaPhiri
the views expressed in this article are that of the mpumalanga provincial executive committee and brances are yet to debate the list.i would say the ordinary man on the street would dare to differ...
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snazz
Cyril from a Renowned Trade Unionist to an Infamous Capitalist.Good LuckReport Abuse
ChampRef
Zuma for second term, finish and klaar, and then after six months wa tloga go tsena Cyril, seriti seo fela.Report Abuse
Patsekg
"As part of the PEC’s task of providing guidance to the African National Congress branches in the province it had chosen leaders who satisfied the character of the party, understood ANC policy, and could apply it under all conditions, Ndinisa said".
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On the basis of what is written above, I agree 100% that this slate is a perfect one, although Pres Zuma's inclussion is only strategic, the rest of the members are most capable of taking the ANC out of its present situation. Let's put it in this way, Zuma is no longer going to be fully involved, he is going to deligate most of the responsibilities to Cyril Ramaphosa, just like Mandela did during his time as president, he deligated most of his responsibilities to Thabo Mbeki, preparing him to take over as he was planning to step down. I believe it is going to be the same with Zuma. Zuma has a better understanding of the ANC, its constitution and how it should be applied without fear, however, it is his poor judgement that lets him down and this has led to him making some of the most embarrassing mistakes. So my personal wish is for Zuma to win so that at long last we can have a president like Cyril Ramaphosa, i just wish Ramaphosa's deputy can be Trevor Manuel or Joel Netshitendze, these are people who understand the ANC better, they will never compromise the constitution of the ANC so that it can favour the people they like. Unlike Motlanthe who is a very good person by nature, but would compromise the ANC's constitution to favour Julius Malema and his gang.
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Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this countryReport Abuse
Tsar-Rasputin
Here is hypothesis for honours students:" Corrupt, incompetent and ill informed provinces nominated showerhead"
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Patsekg
@Phumasbethane"Ja ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him".
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My friend, Ramaphosa did not buy the Buffalo, he was bidding for it anyway but someone else beat him to it. It was bought by another bussiness man who paid around R22 million more than what Ramaphosa was prepared to pay. Ramaphosa has apologised for trying to spend R18 million on a Buffalo, in the face of many that are living in poverty. He has apologised even though it was his money and the Buffalo was an investment as it would make more Buffalos of its nature where he would again make millions of rands in profit.
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Tibub
Big ups to the province of mpumalanga for choosing those gentlemen even though Msholozi is not my favourite person and like i said b4 i will say it again those hooligans from Limpopo masquerading as politicians must be removed from the ANC either by book , hook or crookReport Abuse
Retlaw
@ NwanaPhirithe views expressed in this article are that of the mpumalanga provincial executive committee and brances are yet to debate the list. i would say the ordinary man on the street would dare to differ..
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People are dissatisfied with Zuma leadership and his cronies, Hope ANC branches across the country will be responsible enough to do the right thing.
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Mswazi
Lafa live lamswati, Mpumalanga elect Zuma's name - Corruption again, i guese it is DD who push this to cover his ass.Zuma and his cabinets not derseve to be a press any more.
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Mswazi
@Rragwempumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Agree with you MP mean Mampara or Many potholes not Mathew & Pinky.
We are in a dark place we need light - mean brileant peason not DD Mabuza the cockroche.
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MissBhakajuju
Kgalema Motlanthe... my honourable President !!! *hats off*Report Abuse
Mswazi
@LehidoWe all David Mabuza is an ass-kisser
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Sorry he is a killer an ass hole not ass-kisser. a cochcroche and robber.
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Mswazi
@Seja-BanaTHE RACE TO MANGAUNG HAS STARTED, WHO WILL COME UP TOPS.
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Those how is using a strong Muti and started early to be use on it like DD mabuza, Zuma, and the others.
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Mphorozza
This is the end of the ANC if this line up wins. by the way which party can I vote for in 2014? there will be a frustrated vote in me and my friendsReport Abuse
083Aki
Maybe Mpumalanga is full of rapists and corrupt officials as well, no wonder why they chose this idiot dat we call our president....Report Abuse
Tikoloshe
Patsekg...Well put Patsekg, Joel or Trevor will make good DP to Ramashosa when Umsholozi comes home to our beautiful Kingdom KZN....
Limpopo people must accept this or they can vote in Zim election 2013!!!! This is a good idea to be accepted by all who want to see Mzansi great again!!!!
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Tikoloshe
Mphorozza"This is the end of the ANC if this line up wins. by the way which party can I vote for in 2014? there will be a frustrated vote in me and my friends....."
.....ZANU PF 2013!!!!
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Mphongolo
All the best Baba MsholoziReport Abuse
Moffdat
This tells you a lot about how out of touch the leadership is with the people they represent. I doubt the average person in Mpumalanga would support Zuma! I doubt the Taliban would support Zuma... Yet here we are!!!!!!Report Abuse
CharlesTaylor
Ladiiieeeesss and Jentlleeeeeemmeenn!!!!Let Get ready to Rumbleeeeellllllllllllllllll
In this ANC championship belt, standing on the left corner, wearing black makarabha and white goatee, standing in for his first fight for ANC championship, ladies and jentlemen pease welcome, the Challenger, Goatee Goatee Motlanteeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
And on the right corner, wearing double head shinny Makarabha and smiling mask, now in his second fight for ANC championship, Ladies and Jentlemen, please welcome the Undisputed ANC Champion, Double Head "The Spear" Zooooooooooooooma!!!!
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CharlesTaylor
We appreciate the informed decision taken by the PEC of Mpumalanga. People must understand that, Mpumalanga has not yet nominated the aforementioned. These are preferred candidates by the PEC, branches are yet to combine and come up with their nominations.We believe together, MP, FS, KZN, NP, ANCWL, ANCVL, Cosatu, SACP will be able to bring the required result for the well-being of the party. Thanks to ANC KZN for initiating consultation meetings with other provinces with different views so that when they loose they don't feel bitter like Lekota and co.
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Lord-Have-Mercy
Malema and his crew + his followers are screwed, Mangaung Pres is for JZ,Deputy is either Motlante or Cyril
Bad campaingn and failed campaign from the youth league.
ANC is not for mofies.
Can the Youth league have Media conference, i wish to hear what are they now going to say
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Malema now foresee the direction of the pot full of gravy. his "new strategy card" is that
in Dec or next month, Malema will praise Jacob Zuma's leadership as a President and Motlante's leadership as a Deputy President
All Malema followers will be left stranded and confused
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Tbo.touch
Rragwempumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Maybe we should shut down all the coal mines....gues what, eskom will shut down too....oh maybe u might just get a little bit of petrol
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Tsar-Rasputin
Fots#### MpumalangaInfact here is my top six:
President: Kgalema;
Deputy President: Cyril Ramaphosa;
Secretary General Fikile Mbalula;
Deputy Chairperson: JuJuman
Treasure General: Trevor Manual
Deputy Treasur General: Tito Mboweni
Chairwomen: Graca Machel
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Flemza
I just like this province , hence its progressive, well done Mpumalanga , hence every thing is going so wellReport Abuse
mhlupheki
as long Phosa is out i am happy, he is sell outReport Abuse
WarrenG
No man not this chump again. Please can we have a leader who is 1) Educated 2) trustworthy 3) is not a sex maniac 4) has the nation in mind 5) can deliver a speech 6) is not an embarrassment to SAThis guy is a joke of a leader. He can go and lead with his king in Nkandla
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CharlesTaylor
Zuma for President, I like it for Zuma he can really play his game jealous down!!!Against Mbeki it was toyitoyi and militant (win)
Against Motlante/Malema it is quiet diplomacy (win)
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Dzel
TikoloshePhathuza
Dzel
..You guys need to realize that a lot of us here in KZN realize that JZ is not the ideal candidate with all his faults and issues; and it's our intention to retire him back here to KZN Headquarters in Nkhandla once we have stabilized the NEC and have a worthy successor such as Cyril Ramaphosa in the Deputy President's seat.
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So in shot you are saying the best way to stabilise the organisation is by electing a weak and corrupt leader who has led the country from crisis to crisis and does not have the balls to deal with an Angie Motsekga for example because of the votes she can bring him?
That logic makes little sense my friend; it is self-serving and will be bought by people who are naive enough. If indeed organisational unity is the primary consideration then you need someone who is not part of factions and has required leadership skills to guide the party back into a healthy situation. I can handle a Cyril Ramaphosa for example as president or better yet a Trevor Manuel who is probably the best candidate the ANC can field under the circumstances.
If you are genuine about your intentions the party would change its electoral system to one that is based on merit and not who your friends are and how are they going to benefit from your re-election. If you are genuine the party would sit Jacob down and discuss his performance frankly pointing out his many failures and why it does not serve the interests of the party and the country to have him as president for the second term.
Telling me you know he is useless and then pointing fingers at the other camp is not smart at all. You should concentrate on the damage he has done and what a disastrous prospect a second term would be as all indications are things will not get better if anything they will continue to go downhill from here. It has taken half-a-term for him to turn our country into a joke and you think giving him another full term is the solution. Come on bozza, you can do better than this and for the record this logic will work with a class of Grade 2s, not here.
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DA-DBN-GUY
WarrenGNo man not this chump again. Please can we have a leader who is 1) Educated 2) trustworthy 3) is not a sex maniac 4) has the nation in mind 5) can deliver a speech 6) is not an embarrassment to SA
This guy is a joke of a leader. He can go and lead with his king in Nkandla
There are very few if any in the current anc that conform to your criteria.
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Msiphos00
HailJa ne! the guy has already bought a buffalo for R18 million instead of helping his own brothers and sisters in poverty! but Mpumalanga people trust him. As for the president for second term, ba tla go makatsa. What is happening @ Mpumalanga in terms of everything because it seems as there is nothing happening there that is why they do not know if ba yatla or ba ya tswa.
Maqhankqa
The leadership it had chosen were “beyond reproach in political and social conduct” and “principled, firm, humble, and considerate”.
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The above statement says it all. Just NEGATE THE STATEMENT and all you will get will be epitomized by the conduct of these preferred crooks. By the way its befitting of Mpumalanga to think in such a manner
Rragwe
mpumalanga is full of mampara, they dont make any different in this country
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Taking from the above statements that has been written by clever people from a province or provinces where there are clever people, if I read here the PEC has suggested these names and the branches will meet and nominate candidates which the PEC will combine and forward to the NEC.
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Nenzani
Wow, which people are accessible and flexible, idiot.Report Abuse
Msiphos00
NenzaniWow, which people are accessible and flexible, idiot
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Maybe those deep in the rural areas are not accessible, then about flexible I don't know
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Tikoloshe
Dzel....Dzel, sit yourself down and think through a solution bearing in mind that the ANC is not about to lose any election in the near future!!!!!
To make it easier for you, there are only two alternatives as you've seen from developments so far leading to Mangaung so think and you may develop some logic!!!
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Lord-Have-Mercy
CharlesTaylorZuma for President, I like it for Zuma he can really play his game jealous down!!!
Against Mbeki it was toyitoyi and militant (win)
Against Motlante/Malema it is quiet diplomacy (win)
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Zuma Msholozi always carry a winning card on his sleeve.
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Dzel
Tikoloshe....Dzel, sit yourself down and think through a solution bearing in mind that the ANC is not about to lose any election in the near future!!!!!
To make it easier for you, there are only two alternatives as you've seen from developments so far leading to Mangaung so think and you may develop some logic!!!
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Don't you get it, the country is going to the dogs with every day that passes and your so-called solution will lead to further chaos for everyone concerned.
The problem is you think the ANC is not going to lose any election, not sure about that. Do you have any idea how p-d off the public is with your useless Zuma and how many will not accept him having another go at destroying our country? Perhaps you may not lose this election but trust me with Zuma as the party leader and presidential candidate then expect the ANC to bleed votes.
Stability of our country and having a leader who has;
1. the required leadership skills,
2. who is intelligent,
3. who can lead the country without looting our coffers,
4. make illogical decisions and make decision that are in the interest of the country and its people, and
5. govern as a real leader should...
... is more important than internal ANC considerations and if you had two brain cells to think with you'd understand why a Zuma second term is stupid to put it mildly.
Enjoy yourself in Mangaung but keep in mind it is the rest of South Africa's population that will vote in 2014, be very careful of a public backlash. Never ever take the electorate for granted however stupid you may think we are.
Uza nge-logic ye two cents la and you have the audacity to tell me to sit down.
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Lord-Have-Mercy
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/10/09/eastern-cape-anc-picks-zuma-for-another-termReport Abuse
Tikoloshe
DzelI just need a solution within the context of the current circumstances; we all know what the possible outcomes of JZ's election could possibly be!!!
I'll probably join you for a beer if the ANC sheds votes in the next election as this will be great for enforcing their accountability to the electorate amongst other things; but within the context of the circumstances this doesn't appear a reality!!!
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Dzel
TikolosheI just need a solution within the context of the current circumstances; we all know what the possible outcomes of JZ's election could possibly be!!!
I'll probably join you for a beer if the ANC sheds votes in the next election as this will be great for enforcing their accountability to the electorate amongst other things; but within the context of the circumstances this doesn't appear a reality!!!
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What we need are solutions that address all problems. You don't solve a problem by creating a bigger disaster. Another Zuma presidency will make a state of affairs much worse, please explain to me how is this a solution?
As stated before I am hoping Zuma is retained as ANC president, I have long given up hopes of common sense prevailing within the ANC rank and file. The only way the ANC will learn is if they put the frustration of the man on the street to test. The good thing is there will still be a year and four months of further chaos leading up to Mangaung to make the public resolve even stronger. Hopefully then e-tolling will be a reality, all the factors needed to turn the electorate against the ANC and lead to a revolt through the ballot will be present.
Let's see how the public reacts then, I will personally campaign for votes to go to the DA so the message hits ANC leadership like a ton of bricks. Enough of this regressive thinking, we are not doing ourselves favours by electing the worst of us to important positions like these. You have no idea how p-d off it makes me that the country is held hostage by stupidity, we could not have done our country, ourselves and our kids a greater injustice. I can't even send my kids to public schools because Angie the Dragon is intent on destroying the little credibility our schooling system still had left.
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Nenzani
Mpumalanga, is just the smallest province why worry even if they choose leadersReport Abuse
TheWill1
SA I rest my case, we need a very good opposition if we ever want to change things in this country and the frightening thing is, there is no contender at the moment!Report Abuse
Africa-Getaway
Looks like Zuma are unbeatable...?Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
@DzelSowetan is always lazy let me bring the latest news Motlante has never been there how can you Surport Juju and hope people will take you serious
The ANC in the Eastern Cape said on Tuesday it wants President Jacob Zuma to lead the party for another term.
News from EC below
"We are for continuity with change," spokesman Mlibo Qoboshiyane said.
The provincial party favoured Kgalema Motlanthe to stay on for another term as African National Congress deputy president.
"But if he is standing as president, we are prepared to agree
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Why is it that provincial leaders are usurping the right of ANC branches to decide on leadership? ANC branches in Mpumalanga still have to deliberate on the leadership peferences and the PEC cannot pre-empt that. ANC branches are queens and kings now, and those who pretend that their preferences as provincial leaders are preferences by ANC branches are just deluding themsleves?Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
ANC BRANCHES IN MPUMALAMGA ARE STILL GOPING TO HOLD THEIR BRANCH GENERAL MEETINGS AND NOBODY INCLUDING THE PEC AND THEIR POLITICAL ASSASSINS CAN TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT ENSHRINED IN THE ANC CONSTITUTION. We fought fo our rights as South African citizens, and we cannot allow Zuma factionalists to take away our constitutional rights as ANC members.Report Abuse
Seemele
No wonder why Mpumalanga will support Zuma, Criminals always support each other.Mpumalanga under the leadership of Mabuza. People are drinking water with animals in Mpumalanga, There will be no place for poor perfoming leaders in President Motlante s Leadership.Report Abuse
DeOvi
ZUMA 4 2nd TERM KA SWELEReport Abuse
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100 STOLEN FROM EHLANZENI AND BOHLABELA FROM BRANCHES THAT DID NOT PASS THEIR AUDIT.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@ToivoIn the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:
"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
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YUO COULD NOT HAVE SAID BETTER. YOU DESERVE A PULLITZER AWARD for this contribution. Those who ignoe what you are saying must braced themselves for newspaper headlines before and after Mangaung. On the eve of Mangaung, the NEW AGE newspaper will be syaing "CLEAN SWEEP FROR ZUMA", "ZUMA ASSURED OF VICTORY" and even outright lies saying "MOTLANTHE CONFIDANTES CONCEDE DEFEAT BEFORE POLL". But after results newspaper headlines will be saying "SHOCK DEFEAT FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA RETREATS TO NKANDLA IN DEFEAT", "MOTLANTHE WINS ANC PRESIDENCY",, "IT IS KGALEMA MOTLANTHE", "ZUMA CONCEDES DEFEAT AND CONGRATULATES MOTLANTHE", "BLADE NZIMANDE WEEPS AFTER ZUMA SHOCK".
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@ToivoIn the run-up to the Polokwane conference in 2007, numbers were used to fool the faction supporting Thabo Mbeki into believing it would win. As branches nominated candidates, text messages flew across the country. Here is one of them:
"Comrades please receive the synopsis on the trends of bgm's (branch general meetings) across the various provinces. These numbers were valid as of Wednesday night & we are yet to update the analysis with bgm outcomes of Thursday & tonight. 1. In the E CAPE of the 258 bgms that have quorated 200 nominated TM & 58 JZ. 2. In Limpopo of the 135 bgms that have quorated 96 nominated TM & 39 JZ. 3. In N WEST of the 130 bgms that have quorated 116 nominated TM & 14 JZ. 4. In W CAPE of the 115 bgms that quorated 107 nominated TM & 7 JZ & 1 TOKYO. 5. In N CAPE of the 17 bgms 6 nominated TM & 11 JZ (it is instructive to note that 3 of our strongest regions Francis Baard, Siyanda & Namaqua are yet to start with bgms). 6. FS we r awaiting final tallies. 7. GAUTENG has just started but will monitor its progress. 8. Mpumalanga we are awaiting final tallies but not looking good. 9. KZN awaiting final tallies but not looking good."
As you can see, the Mbeki faction believed it was ahead. History shows that the numbers lied to them. This should be a lesson to those who support Zuma for a second term today. Many of them are smug and believe they have already won. They need to remember that many provinces and structures of the party say they support Zuma, but in places like Gauteng delegates are already saying they will not be dictated to when they arrive in Mangaung. It is, after all, a secret ballot.
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YUO COULD NOT HAVE SAID BETTER. YOU DESERVE A PULLITZER AWARD for this contribution. Those who ignoe what you are saying must braced themselves for newspaper headlines before and after Mangaung. On the eve of Mangaung, the NEW AGE newspaper will be syaing "CLEAN SWEEP FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA ASSURED OF VICTORY" and even outright lies saying "MOTLANTHE CONFIDANTES CONCEDE DEFEAT BEFORE POLL". But after results newspaper headlines will be saying "SHOCK DEFEAT FOR ZUMA", "ZUMA RETREATS TO NKANDLA IN DEFEAT", "MOTLANTHE WINS ANC PRESIDENCY",, "IT IS KGALEMA MOTLANTHE", "ZUMA CONCEDES DEFEAT AND CONGRATULATES MOTLANTHE", "BLADE NZIMANDE WEEPS AFTER ZUMA SHOCK".
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