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cornelius

Oh for heavens sake, is this senior ANC leader now trying to cosy up to the worst, most corrupt premier in the country ? Why, because of the Malema connection ?

Proof that the ANC leadership is just inherently morally compromised, they cannot turn the country around.
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Papage

The raise has began, now we know why other are trying to silent Juju. We need new Leadership now, not in December Mangaung.
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Mgwijikhwebu

Phosa is a Malema wannabe. He is the most ill-disciplined member in the top six. He should not be retained at all. Otherwise the ANC will be stuck with an older version of Malema.
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Pheli-Marabi

The only thing that can save the ANC is if they have US style presidential elections for who will lead the party.Ordinary ANC card carrying members ,not a few delegates,can vote for who will lead the party.
Otherwise i foresee disaster.
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ThirdEye

People that must be retained in the top six is Kgalema, Thandi Modise & Phosa. The rest must be dropped.
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Tango

Phosa and Thandi Modise must go
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Domkopp

I don't like this Phosa guy.
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Phunyukabemphethe

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I guess this acronym stand for it is "All about the zulu's" . You are welcome to correct me .LOL


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Papage

I Agree with you 150% Pheli-Marabi, we need such style, to interview/interogate the future president, we can't allow ANC few individuals to decide for the more than 20m members, we need to all take part so that if the chosen Leader fails, we blame ourselves not individuals, for now we can safely blame Zuma, Malema, Vavi, Phosa and all those for the poor Leadership we have in place. We need to demostarate democracy, not what we see now.
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Makhosini0408

The African National Confused at its best.
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ncagumbuduma

This are the same people who told us when Zuma becomes President all our problems will go away. Shame on you Phosa Sxwale Mbalula and company. If Kgalema is not careful this hyenas are going to do to him what they are doing to Zuma. They want to critisize and not take responsibilty. Problems in the ANC are not Zumas but they are of a collective.
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Tango

The will be another Cope after Mangaung
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Maqhankqa

@Phunyukabemphethe
tpaz
ABZ

I guess this acronym stand for it is "All about the zulu's" . You are welcome to correct me .LOL
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Mavara

I do not trust Phosa.This guy is ambitious and such men are dangerous.He is eager to become the President of the country.Thats why Mbeki did not like him.He is Cassius in Julias Ceaser play.
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Lehido

YES Phosa, you must also leave, so should Zuma and Mathale himself
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Tlakenyobehle!

i heard that ANC cheap Whiskey drunkard member Jackson Mthembu swearing with God that that boy juju will never b a president of the party and of the country
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Mr cheap whiskey let me tell u never say never in yr life
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Mdeeva

Mangaung who will it be?not JZ agian because he will be like Mugabe a tyrant a re fe batho ba bangwe chance.Succession bagaetsho is important. I will support any new candidate as long as it is not JZ again.
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DJ-Winner

Go join friends of Malema party....You won't be president of ANC...
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KILLERa1111

I personally dont think Kgalema would challange Zuma for presidency...There is a lot at stake for him...He will be asking himself is 4 yrs too long to wait ( 2016)...Theree is a lot at stake.

The benefits of waiting for 2014 are ( KZN, FS, MP, NC, COSATU, SACP & others) they will be all behind him. So he has to think carefully do I take a divided ANC or do i wait for 2016,
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MorenaWaPolelo

well put Comrade but keep your ambitions in check Zuma is your president untill Mangaung!!!
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Pheli-Marabi

@Papage.
we can't allow ANC few individuals to decide for the more than 20m members
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Its true .Mangaung is gonna be bloodier than Poloks.ANC against ANC.
Zille is having a front row seat.
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mafejeyiphulula

i believe ABZ stands for ''anything but Zuma'', i strongly believe in that, it will a grave mistake if we let this man run the country, he has shown in more than one occassion that he does not posses the skill and knowledge of running the country like ours, let alone making decision but rather heavily relying on his advisors to make decisions, we have seen in his regime the apartheid style of ruling of divide and rule being brought back to our democracy, let alone of the fact that the man utter rubbish about democracy being for the MAJORITY and the MINORITY are not entitled to, are fkidding me Mr President? ABZ must be executed in Mangaung.
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Dandan

@Pheli-Marabi
The only thing that can save the ANC is if they have US style presidential elections for who will lead the party.Ordinary ANC card carrying members ,not a few delegates,can vote for who will lead the party.
Otherwise i foresee disaster
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Unfortunately, we are not going your wishes we cant americanise our voting system according to us its 120% fine, for thefact that you dont have a membership card for your political party of your choice you want us to subject to your personal ambitions.

In actual fact there is no person who is not involved in the election of the President specifically the ANC nominations start from the branches, where you must belong as we speak, thereafter you have a right to nominate delegates to represnt your mandate to elect the candidate of your choice in the conference. Big one during national elections, every body who is above 18 yrs has a right to vote political party of his/her choice, I dont know what is the problem with you.

However, lazy people like yourself who cant shake themselves out of tvs when we are busy attending, discussing the programmes of this country in our branch meetings , make resolutions you come up with all sorts of nonsensical ideas.

My advice to you go to your nearest branch of the ANC join, get membership card and have a right to choose a candidate of your choice
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Mgaraji

KILLERa1111
I personally dont think Kgalema would challange Zuma for presidency...There is a lot at stake for him...He will be asking himself is 4 yrs too long to wait ( 2016)...Theree is a lot at stake.

The benefits of waiting for 2014 are ( KZN, FS, MP, NC, COSATU, SACP & others) they will be all behind him. So he has to think carefully do I take a divided ANC or do i wait for 2016,
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My take as well. Also for him to stand he needs 70% support indication that he is gonna beat Zuma, which is unlikely gonna get.
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Maqhankqa

@mafejeyiphulula

Thanks for the explanation. I'm wondering though as to the object that your name suggests is referring to. LOL.
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ntyantya

Well I for one don't want Zuma to be re-elected otherwise ANC will really lose votes to DA and COPE... There are lots of things I dislike about Zuma like the fact he's married to lots of women and on top of that he has children outside marriage and he has lots of political scandals. He has served his term and has done some good but he must let go and spend some quality time with his wives and children.
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sakhomba

this is scary, should it happen that the ballots are not in favour of the ANC 10 years from now, they(ANC) will take power by force.
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mafejeyiphulula

@ Maqhankqa, dont read too much into the name Mhlekazi, its only just a name, no significance nor connection to the President at all.
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Phathuza

Can you imagine Julius Malema becoming president of the country? Oh, dear God, may that day never dawn in our lifetime, or that of our children,” Mthembu said in an interview with television channel eNCA on Wednesday.
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LeparaThePresident

@Maqhankqa
@Phunyukabemphethe
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I guess this acronym stand for it is "All about the zulu's" . You are welcome to correct me .LOL
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Undoubtedly, this acronym stands for "All But Zuma!'' I may be wrong, rectify it if you can.
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Guys the true meaning for ABZ acronym is " ANYONE BUT ZUMA" not what you said.
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KILLERa1111

@-ntyantya, i hear you...but i think the hatred for Zuma for most people is the fact that he is Zulu and his culture...

If you look around the world most presidents have their scandals only a few that do not have scandals..Bill Clinton's infedelity, George Bush and Tony Blair hatred of Muslims, France former president Nicolas Sarkozy marriage of a girl young enough to be his grand daughter and huge spending on wedding...Venuzuela president Hugo Chávez, Mugabe Zim, Iran president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all being called dictator all wanted international court...the list goes on and on..





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LIYANA

Maqhankqa
@Phunyukabemphethe
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I guess this acronym stand for it is "All about the zulu's" . You are welcome to correct me .LOL
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ABZ = Anything But Zuma

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ntiki

The battle continues
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Madlenya

Wise words Phosa you too not worthy next term. Its high time for new brooms.
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lindsay

i think they should vote for Zuma to lead again so that it would be easier to convass the public to vote against the anc come 2014 i am so tired of these useless cadres i can't wait.
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Phunyukabemphethe

@LIYANA
@Maqhankqa
@Lparathepres
@Phunyukabemphethe
tpaz
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I guess this acronym stand for it is "All about the zulu's" . You are welcome to correct me .LOL
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ABZ = Anything But Zuma
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You are correct guys . Thanks

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Dandan

@lindsay
i think they should vote for Zuma to lead again so that it would be easier to convass the public to vote against the anc come 2014 i am so tired of these useless cadres i can't wait.
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stop lying to yourself, to tell you the honest truth bl.ack middle class will never ever vote for a whi.te party, even our parents not educated told us the trauma they experienced from wh.ite people , unfortunately the ang.er we have against wh.ite people is from our parents who were tortured by wh.ites, our mothers as domestic workers felt your pain, today you beg our votes shame on you, how stupid are we to give power to wh.ite people, those bla.cks you see in DA like Lindiwe and maimane are rented , dont confuse them with us, thats the position Iam telling you.
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NgwanawaMorena

Jacob Zuma's corruption charges were dropped by NPA, Kgalema Motlanthe is former NUM General Secretary and is so quiet when NUM is accused of ripping the miners with the invested funds and his life partner is also under investigation. Gwede Mantashe is always trying to redirect the confused ship under his control.Thandi Modise is struggling to return North West to its rightful place & its seems NWP has a gearbox problem. Matthew Phosa is remembered as the first Premier of the most corrupt province of Mpumalanga & seems ill disciplined.Baleka Mbete was found to have acquired fraudulent driver's licence & is now almost forgotten.No one is perfect and it is sad when JZ is treated as being the worst while all the top six are carrying different wagons of shame and failure now and in the past. Together we fall but united we stand. A divided top six exposes lack of quality leadership and opportunists in their midst. None of the above should be allowed to cause more damage in the ANC and the country.
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Hadebe

Mathew Phosa has always been on Juju's side, he has a point though about agreeing to dissagree.
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Sjekula

The ANC is not controlled by an individual but the NEC and it is supposed to be governed by the Freedom Charter, of which it is not. The ANC youth league is talking expropriation of land without compensation whereas the ANC leadership has been compensating itself for the past 18 yrs through Cadre Deployment. Fikile Mbalula should also stop talking transformation in sports if they have not yet built sports facilities in black schools(Township and Rural). In 1995, the ANC government's first priority on Education was racism in schools as they were paving their kids way into white schools so they can get good education, as those schools were already well established, and come back to hold high positions in government. I agree with Makhosini, African National Confused.
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Dandan - I think you are lying to yourself Dandan. Its mostly been the black middleclass that have switched votes to the DA, compared to any other demography in South Africa.
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lindsay

@Dandan

are you sure of what you are saying or you think the only party for blacks is anc seriuosly dude you need help, there various parties to vote for dispite the African Confused criminals and you analysis is amazing .
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Phathuza

Fikile Mbalula is poison , He is Misleading the ANC YOUH LEAGUE because His aim is to be a secretary General . That man used Juju , H e was the one who supported Zuma and now He is against him I understand his main aim is to be the President of country not long ago He slept with that woman but He is Married ,
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cornelius

@Dandan - can I try to explain something to you ? I will type slowly so that you can understand.

All wh.ite people did not vote for the NP, which was the party that governed. A substantial number voted against them, precisely because they did not agree with aparhtei.d. The main oppositon waas the PFP led by Helen Suzman. This party is the forerunner of the DA.

The NP in fact merged with the ANC.

The current leadership of the DA have got nothing to do with Aparthei.d, the leader Hlen Zille was a strong activist against it. Other leaders include Patricia De Lille, whose roots are in the PAC, Dr Wilmot James, a prominent ' coloured " intellectual, and Lindiwe Mazibuko.

The whi.te peolle who vote for the DA espouse nonracialism, and dedication to the constitution. in this they are joined by more and more bl.ack peopl every day.

So Dandan, get your facts straight and your mind clear. You are lost in the past. The future is something completely different.
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Dandan - I think you are lying to yourself Dandan. Its mostly been the black middleclass that have switched votes to the DA, compared to any other demography in South Africa.
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really, lets get into yard stick how many universities are run by DASO blhblabhlbah



@lindsay


definately sure , dont get destructed by what you see now , wait for the days of elections , the anc get together , united as rock, we campaign like nobodys business, business dinners we live no stone unturned, dont forget we are on power , no business person who wants to waist his/her vote for DA. Lindsay, ANC is well grounded was formed on foundation there is no where you wont find ANC, very difficult to disintergrate check with COPE
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Sjekula

@cornelius
"The NP in fact merged with the ANC. "

That is misleading black people, NP merged with DP, and formed DA. It was only a few NP leaders who joined the ANC, but all it's members went to white parties, get your facts right.


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Pointman

He is just saying what is convenient for now just because he does no like the incumbent leader. later when he finds the right ars e in the driving seat he will be preaching two terms with gusto.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

The only favour Motlanthe could do for us is to bring back our son(Julias) on the scene that's all but if he fails half term is enough for him,Mbeki will tell him how it was.
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lindsay

@Dandan

oohhh you mean you give food to poor people so that they vote for you, you threaten old people that if they don't vote for you their old age grant will be taken and the ever breeding young ones that the child grant will be taken, oh a very good one you braai sausage for them before voting to encourage them to vote for you is that what you are talking about well everybody can do that we know South African are bribeable with their votes.
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Sjekula

@cornelius
In 2000, the DP reached a merger agreement with the Federal Alliance and the New National Party (NNP). The Democratic Alliance was formed.

Go to your party history, you'll find the above.


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|Sinudeity|

Dandan - "Lets get into yard stick how many universities are run by DASO"


And you think student unions in universities are indicators of anything?
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Pointman

Everyone is throwing the dice and wondering if they will come out on the winners side. If they do then they can lap up more gravy for the next five years - if not then they will be left fighting over crumbs.
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Sjekula - "During the 1990s the party was known as the Democratic Party, but was renamed to the Democratic Alliance, during a short-lived alliance with the New National Party (NNP) in 2000 - the NNP subsequently left to join the ANC."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Alliance_%28South_Africa%29
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Dandan

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aaaaha my word who are the majority voters "teach them young" from COSAS to SASCO there is no DA at primary/sec school . Iam telling you ANC is well grounded , is there in any maternity ward
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MyPot

Bowa combrade, we will never tolerate a leader who give special consideration to his people, instead of solving housing problem in western cape and eastern cape he decided to build a mall in kzn. Zuma failed our people.
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|Sinudeity|

Sjekula - Your comment was incomplete. You missed the part where the NP merged with the ANC.
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|Sinudeity|

Dandan - Times they are a changin dude. Pretty soon the ANC will be a ghost of a party. And the sad thing is, it will happen not long after its 100th bday.

The irony is as well that most COSAS/SASCO students dont make it past the first 6 months of university.
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Dandan

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thats the reason we say until Jesus comes, our secret is maternity wards, cosas/sasco finish a klaar
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Sjekula

@Pointman
I don't engage with people who think with their hearts.

@|Sinudeity|
Do you really think Africans are that d.u.mb, it was only the leadership that went to the ANC, not the constituency(it remained in the DA), the ANC was happy to collect the NNP seats in parliament(floor crossing).
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|Sinudeity|

Dandan - COSAS/SASCO is a good way to divide the rejects from the rest of South Africa. Times they are a changin'.

Politics in the country wount be determined by your student unions, but by delivery, transparency, corruption...

You know, all the parts where the ANC fails.
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Dandan

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times will change on service delivery when they are old , well educated its when they will be committed for service delivery, not vice verrsa
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|Sinudeity|

Dandan - Not according to current trends dude. The demographics speak for themselves.
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Sjekula

|Sinudeity|
Was telling you that you cannot tell an African not to comment on Sowetan.
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Sjekula - "Was telling you that you cannot tell an African not to comment on Sowetan."

Yeah, and Im a white African. So why are you telling me not to comment here? :P
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Sjekula

@|Sinudeity|
What lie have I ever made on Sowetan, want me to remind you of all your racist comments you once made, you cannot hide it, every sane african can see it.
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Sjekula - "want me to remind you of all your racist comments you once made"

Please feel free, and send me links to the 'racist' comments too please.
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Sjekula

|Sinudeity|
Is there a Black African and a White African?
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cornelius

@Sjekula. You have to look at the leadership of a party to see what he party stands for, right ? If you are saying a vote for the DA is a vote for the old aparthei.d mense, you are wrong, really its a simple proposition. Think objectivley and the truth will be revealed to you baba.
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Sjekula

@|Sinudeity|
You quickly forget, your problem is that you think Africans quickly forget too, you'll abuse him/her and entice him/her with food the next day, that's what killed Tereblanche.
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Sjekula

@cornelius
White people fled to the DA, seeking protection from the African government, fooling africans with their fake smiles.
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Sjekula - Eish, dont let your racism get in the way of logic and reason my son :P

You forget, that your current black leaders abuse you day and and day out, and then entice you with a free tshirt and KFC.
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Sjekula - So come on, where are these supposed racist comments of mine.
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Sjekula

@|Sinudeity|
If I should remind you, I'm one African that is not scared of being labeled racist, even my white colleagues know that, my white lecturers knew that too. I condemn the abusive African leaders the same way I condemn their white equals. Your problem is that you watch too much of those movies where there's always this good white person that helps African slaves escape from their masters, and Africans laugh when it gets to that part.
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Sjekula - I only watch scifi and action movies. Have you ever noticed in Star wars how there is only one black dude in the entire galaxy? :P
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Dandan

@cornelius

@Sjekula. You have to look at the leadership of a party to see what he party stands for, right ? If you are saying a vote for the DA is a vote for the old aparthei.d mense, you are wrong, really its a simple proposition. Think objectivley and the truth will be revealed to you baba.
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mcxxm shame fellow bla.ck man, explain to me why DA did nt give colo.reds/indi.ans/bla.cks a tender worth billions instead of TBWA is it because those groups are nt suppose to have money only whit.es are suppose to have money, Im so sad that a bla.ck man like yourself is still a victim of apartheid.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

I dont care who the next president will be as long he is not a white man I dont want to see wht we've seen before 1994 repeating itself.
I dont even want to see black lady on presidency chair because she'll take us men to hell,but this doest mean I dont respect the women.
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Dandan - "explain to me why DA did nt give colo.reds/indi.ans/bla.cks a tender worth billions instead of TBWA"

Because otherwise, the money would have gone missing, and there wouldnt have been anything to show for the tender :P
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Dandan

@|Sinudeity|



shame for the poor illiterate co.loreds in the wcape who are supporting an extension of aprtheid
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|Sinudeity|

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Dont worry, the 1st woman president in South Africa wount be an ANC member.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Dont worry, the 1st woman president in South Africa wount be an ANC member.
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I dont want a female president man that's all,she's from ANC or from hell I dont care.

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Dandan - "shame for the poor illiterate co.loreds in the wcape who are supporting an extension of aprtheid"

Eish, the ANC loyalists will say anything to prevent the DA from stealing even more voters from their party :P
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BRA-MAFUTHA

Mathews Phosa is the ANC, the ANC is Mathews Phosa finish and klarr!!!!!!!!!!!

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cornelius

@Dandan, I am a proud whi.te Af.rikaner my broer.

Anyway, you talk about one government contract, and it wasn't billions as far as I can recall. Were there any better service providers or tenders on the table ? Are you saying no contract can ever be given to a ( predominantly) wh.ite company ?
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motlhankana

time for change. mangaung is a referreeeeeeeeeeee!

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warry

Phosaweeeeee, Matthews Phosaweeeeee the most corrupt person MPumalanga ever produce, talking of people owning something, what about the owners you robbed out of Skonkwane. We're you hard done by the Weed. Phosaweeeeee you are desperate just like Malema. Stay with him he will show you how he is. We know you hypocrite sonnova....
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Sjekula

@|Sinudeity|
"Because otherwise, the money would have gone missing, and there wouldnt have been anything to show for the tender"

And that is associated with Indians, Coloreds, and Africans. See, I don't have to send you any URL.
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Patsekg

Let me remind some people about who Matthews Phosa is really, especially those of you who might be fooled by these populist statements he is trying to make in public in support of Malema's illdiscipline behaviour. Matthews Phosa has always tried to find his way to the top using all means possible, i mean to the position of the president. In 1996, when Madiba stepped down to make way for Mbeki, he tried to challenge Mbeki who then had more support than him, and Madiba, after realising that there was going to be divisions in the ANC as a result of it, then told Phasa not to challenge Mbeki. After that, Mbeki sidelined him for the duration of his terms as he could not work with people he could not trust. It was clear that Phosa would work against Mbeki as he always had aspirations to become president. After Mbeki's two terms came to an end, in came Zuma who decided that it would be good to bring back those comrades that were sidelined by Mbeki then, and guess what happened after Polokwane, exactely what Mbeki feared when he was still president. Phosa is doing what he always wanted to do to get himself a better position in the ANC that will get him closer to his long held ambitions, even if he achieves that by causing divisions in the same party he claims to love.

This is exactely what Mbeki feared. Now Zuma is paying the price for resurecting the carriers of those that were dead politically during Mbeki's time as president. I strongly believe that even if Phosa has reasons to criticise Zuma, as one of the senior leaders in the organisation, he is aware of the procedures to be followed to do that. He is even trying to draw comparisons between Zuma's leadership and Idi Amin who killed dozens of civilians during his rule in Uganda. I think Phosa is trying to write his name in the good books of Malema and his illdiscipline brigade, who are living under the illusion that they are king makers, and as soon as Motlanthe is in power they will be accepted back into the ANC. My guess is Mr Phosa has dug his own grave politically, as he is already allienating himself from those who would vote for Motlanthe but still don't want Malema back. If this group can merge with the group that supports Zuma now, Malema and Phosa will be history in the ANC, because they seem to forget that amongst the numbers that support Motlanthe, there are those who don't want to see Malema back in the ANC, and the reality is, should Motlanthe beat Zuma by a smaller margin, it will be difficult for Malema to come back. This is because if the motion to reinstate Malema can be raised from the floor and they decide to vote, it is going to be Zuma's supporters, together with a group of supporters from Motlanthe who don't want to have Malema back, both of them against the motion to reinstate Malema, so the sooner Phosa realises this the better, as it seems like he is betting on a horse that is going to loose the rays.
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Kgaitsedi-ya-Genaro

Matthew Phosa ke skelm sa kgale in fact he doesn't have a direction this one. He was amongst the crew that made sure Mbeki vacate the presidential seat - ga ke utlwe ka mang I was there (Sandton Convention Centre) in 2008 when he was rendering a speech at a work function I was invited to. Anyone with a sharp ear could read between the lines gore puo ya gage e ne e ya kae. For once Phosa have the b@lls o tlogele go phopholetsa. This "No one is assured of a second term" phrase also he is trying to send message o itseng. Mxcm SA politics yerrr ***headshake***
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BlackLucky

We need a white president.
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cornelius

@Blacklucky - I , Cornelius, volunteer.
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Silo4G

Mathews Phosa is suffering from a sugar related illness!!
He is very confused
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STRAIGHTTALK3

Mr Phosa I think you are losing it all. Please try today to sit down with your family especially your wife, relax so that you come to your sences, then tommoror think about what made you go to exile, and the important role you played in reconciliation. After that think about the role you shoulb be taking in building up ANC. If you are a concerned father, you will definately consider this. Thank you.
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Djembe

Phosa stop parading like a lost soul be a man come out and tell us where you stand. Mantashe and Zuma are playing hide and seek and you guys are playing games. Phosa your very impaired statements are sickening.
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