Making ends meet is a daily struggle for the striking workers at Gold Fields Mine in Carletonville on the West Rand as their salaries fall short of enabling them to do so.
The strike is illegal go back to work!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
MommaC
Logically, the majority of the CEO's salary is made up of production bonuses or share returns.
Mathematically, 16,600,000 / 15,000 = 2,400 / 12 = R203 per month
There are professional people who are paying off study loans who don't get R8,000 a month after deductions. Hell there are some who don't get R8,000 a month BEFORE deductions.
I do feel for the guy but the alternative is that mines mechanise, reduce manpower by about two thirds and start demanding a tertiary education before employing someone. That would be disastrous Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
Papage
I sometimes dont understant Unions, they say they talk on behalf of Workers, but look at the living conditions these miners find themselved living in, their rooms are like Sheeeeeeeeeeeeee dont know, please assist these people, it is not only about salaries, their health should come first, the type of food they are eating makes one wonder and the Bosses are resturanting in Sandton with their business partners. Vavi must do the talk and if they can't they must admit it. Mines homes and their living standard are just a mess Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Papage
The question is what are these health and occupational people doing cause they visit the mine every month Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
Papage
They get bribed by the mine management and then give out a good report I guess. Just go to the mining compound you will see what I am talking about, it is a shame Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
YSJones1
"NUM would also be prepared to take action against its own leadership at
mines where workers have complaints against such officials. When a
mineworker becomes a permanent union official, he is due many benefits,
including promotion to white-collar work, allowances and a trade union
car."
"These incentives were being abused," Baleni confessed.
NUM Branch leaders are corrupt, and signing lucrative deals with management to benefit themselves. Comrades at the KDC mine are on an illegal strike because of the lies and no transparecy from their branch leadership. and luckily the had the decency to withdraw from the positions as they know that they are guilty. I hope others are learning that things have a way of coming up. Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
Mamamedium
In this life we are living in what counts is the paper you got from school, college or university and not the strenght. Director are going to earn a lot because they use their brain and not their stength. Secondly what their are loosing is their bonuses their salaries are insured, should the mine close they are not going to suffer like the groung people, they are on top.
The union shouls really atart putting the welfare on these people instead of their own, they must explain why the top people earn so much and them so little, that is the equation or balance of top and bottom. Hope the strike will be over soon Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
skwamasamabele
MommaC- I think you need to go back to your school and demand your money back from your maths teacher. Some orifices are not meant for talking. I worked on the mines, it is the most dangerous job on the planet, comparing it with infantry (army) and oil-rigs. Those workers SHOULD be paid a decent wage. price of gold ($1400/ounce) does not reflect on their poverty wages, working conditions and living conditions.
If you worked on the mines MommaC, you'd know what they are on about Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
Tabza325is
@MommaC, why do people like you feel the need to justify large salaries earned by most CEO out there, why is it wrong for a low payed worker to demand better salary. Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
MommaC
skwamasamabele
which part of my math was wrong?
Please do point out the mathematical error so I can sue Ms Drummond for my school fees back Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
MommaC
Tabza325is
I'm not justifying it. I'm putting into context what the difference would be if he was not paid but that amount went to the miners. I think it is an obscene amount of money to pay anyone. It would be good to know what his basic salary is though. Having said that, you couldn't pay me enough to take on that job. I'd be spending half my salary on Prozac and Panados
When you get to the end of the month, do you still have the same amount of money in your bank account? Well just like you, all companies have expenses. The number of ounces and the going rate for those ounces don't equate to pure profit. There is a big difference between profit and turnover Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
skwamasamabele
MommaC- Mines have been mechanised for over 50 years, but there would never be a substitute for human labour. For example, mining system called Grading, requires a human eye.
On the maths issue, I was merely questioning the annual salary (and the pecks) of the Chief Executive, they are way beyond your estimate, in fact, they might require multiplication by hundreds. Mine workers need to be rewarded for the perulous work they do, for the benefit of the rich Report Abuse
Sep 25, 2012
MommaC
skwamasamabele
They are not even vaguely mechanised to the levels of other countries.
Of course miners should get a fair salary. That is not in doubt. What is in doubt is how the mine actually affords that salary Report Abuse
Sep 26, 2012
Mawiki
It's a sad tale! The miners contribute immensely to our GDP. They, therefore, must earn a living wage. If their calculations interprete R12, 500-00 per month as a living wage, why not oblige and let the mine moguls comply! MommaC needs to be a bit sensitive. The miners' poor health is guaranteed. Report Abuse
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MorenaWaPolelo
The strike is illegal go back to work!!!!!!!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
Logically, the majority of the CEO's salary is made up of production bonuses or share returns.Mathematically, 16,600,000 / 15,000 = 2,400 / 12 = R203 per month
There are professional people who are paying off study loans who don't get R8,000 a month after deductions. Hell there are some who don't get R8,000 a month BEFORE deductions.
I do feel for the guy but the alternative is that mines mechanise, reduce manpower by about two thirds and start demanding a tertiary education before employing someone. That would be disastrous
Report Abuse
Papage
I sometimes dont understant Unions, they say they talk on behalf of Workers, but look at the living conditions these miners find themselved living in, their rooms are like Sheeeeeeeeeeeeee dont know, please assist these people, it is not only about salaries, their health should come first, the type of food they are eating makes one wonder and the Bosses are resturanting in Sandton with their business partners. Vavi must do the talk and if they can't they must admit it. Mines homes and their living standard are just a messReport Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
PapageThe question is what are these health and occupational people doing cause they visit the mine every month
Report Abuse
Papage
They get bribed by the mine management and then give out a good report I guess. Just go to the mining compound you will see what I am talking about, it is a shameReport Abuse
YSJones1
"NUM would also be prepared to take action against its own leadership atmines where workers have complaints against such officials. When a
mineworker becomes a permanent union official, he is due many benefits,
including promotion to white-collar work, allowances and a trade union
car."
"These incentives were being abused," Baleni confessed.
NUM Branch leaders are corrupt, and signing lucrative deals with management to benefit themselves. Comrades at the KDC mine are on an illegal strike because of the lies and no transparecy from their branch leadership. and luckily the had the decency to withdraw from the positions as they know that they are guilty. I hope others are learning that things have a way of coming up.
Report Abuse
Mamamedium
In this life we are living in what counts is the paper you got from school, college or university and not the strenght. Director are going to earn a lot because they use their brain and not their stength. Secondly what their are loosing is their bonuses their salaries are insured, should the mine close they are not going to suffer like the groung people, they are on top.The union shouls really atart putting the welfare on these people instead of their own, they must explain why the top people earn so much and them so little, that is the equation or balance of top and bottom. Hope the strike will be over soon
Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
MommaC- I think you need to go back to your school and demand your money back from your maths teacher. Some orifices are not meant for talking. I worked on the mines, it is the most dangerous job on the planet, comparing it with infantry (army) and oil-rigs. Those workers SHOULD be paid a decent wage. price of gold ($1400/ounce) does not reflect on their poverty wages, working conditions and living conditions.If you worked on the mines MommaC, you'd know what they are on about
Report Abuse
Tabza325is
@MommaC, why do people like you feel the need to justify large salaries earned by most CEO out there, why is it wrong for a low payed worker to demand better salary.Report Abuse
MommaC
skwamasamabelewhich part of my math was wrong?
Please do point out the mathematical error so I can sue Ms Drummond for my school fees back
Report Abuse
MommaC
Tabza325isI'm not justifying it. I'm putting into context what the difference would be if he was not paid but that amount went to the miners. I think it is an obscene amount of money to pay anyone. It would be good to know what his basic salary is though. Having said that, you couldn't pay me enough to take on that job. I'd be spending half my salary on Prozac and Panados
When you get to the end of the month, do you still have the same amount of money in your bank account? Well just like you, all companies have expenses. The number of ounces and the going rate for those ounces don't equate to pure profit. There is a big difference between profit and turnover
Report Abuse
skwamasamabele
MommaC- Mines have been mechanised for over 50 years, but there would never be a substitute for human labour. For example, mining system called Grading, requires a human eye.On the maths issue, I was merely questioning the annual salary (and the pecks) of the Chief Executive, they are way beyond your estimate, in fact, they might require multiplication by hundreds. Mine workers need to be rewarded for the perulous work they do, for the benefit of the rich
Report Abuse
MommaC
skwamasamabeleThey are not even vaguely mechanised to the levels of other countries.
Of course miners should get a fair salary. That is not in doubt. What is in doubt is how the mine actually affords that salary
Report Abuse
Mawiki
It's a sad tale! The miners contribute immensely to our GDP. They, therefore, must earn a living wage. If their calculations interprete R12, 500-00 per month as a living wage, why not oblige and let the mine moguls comply! MommaC needs to be a bit sensitive. The miners' poor health is guaranteed.Report Abuse
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