Danger1985

eish...yah neh...
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Voetzek

Popcru members are retarded straight and simple
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lucky7

Popcru comes up with a stupid idea i have ever heard...Popcru just like COSATU dropped the ball..they no longer focus on workers related issues because they failed their members dismally.
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RobinH

Classic: If you have absolutely nothing meaningful to table, then table something completely ridiculous.
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Mgwijikhwebu

Popcru you are spot on. That's long overdue.
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ThirdEye

This will divide the Nation, something that we don't need.
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tefson

so popcru wants to cut the peace marriage this country has ....it will be very interesting to c what mandela and those that sacrificed 4 the well being of this country........i thought Malema was Dump at times but this is even worst than the weaning of economic freedom by juju.
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Chyna!!!

POPCRU MEMBERS MUST BE ON DRUGS... NYAOPE, NOGAL...

WHAT'S THE WORST THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH?

FUTSEK MAAN, JULLE RAAK MENSE KAAK GEWOONT!

MANINGANAMSEBENZI, HAMBANI NIYO GALLIVANTA E ZOO WHERE YOU'LL FIND YOUR FRIENDS! MXM, YOU DUMBOS
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MissBhakajuju

so Popcru, how about we go back to the Original Nkosi sikelela... which is isiXhosa language only....

and drop the Sotho in the version ??? would that also be fair ???
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BlacknProud2

ok Popcru wants SA anthem changed’’
The people of South Africa wants Housing, Roads, Efficient and accessible transport system, Schools with resources i.e. BOOKS TO START WITH., water, electricity, no crime.
Thank you


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cocolucho

I like the whole anthem and cant seem to see anything wrong with the english and afrikaans portions or is there something that i'm missing?
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wearefamily

Popcru leave Our Anthem as it is, instead focus on the pressing issues affecting the nation.
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tefson

@miss bhaka
exactly that would be very interesting and to be honest i think most of these guys{cosatu and popcru} are as racist as these Afrikaner right wing ,this country is not going anywhere.
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mokudubete

i am not surprise every organisation that want to be considered as contributed something meaningful would always want to change names or something,our politics, you dont know if this people are be witched or insane.after that is done,how this will make our problems of service delivery go away.
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Lutokolalubiko

Popcru is right, why should we sing die stem, which was sung by the apartheid goverment. The old man (Mandela) made too many compromises during DODESSA, it is time we reverse some of those compromises.
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Tlakenyobehle!

ThirdEye
This will divide the Nation, something that we don't need.
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when did this nation unite never
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RobinH

ThirdEye: Popcru is way too insignificant to divide a pea.
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Makhosini0408

Popcru has also proposed that a section of the Police Act of 1995, which prohibits police from holding political office, should be scrapped.

Let see. I will reserve my comment on the national anthem, especially in 2012 after 18 years of democracy.

Blind leading the blind. sham

Our police members wants to be poloticians. When I questioned why the police services was turned into a South African Police Army Services. Now, here is the poblem, soldiers are supposed by the nature of their duty to be apolitical. Now if SAPAS, wants its members to occupy political office, how are they planning to be objective in the execution of their duties?

In the absence of good leaders, mediocrity, incompetence reign supreme. Indeed, things fall apart.
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Lehido

Oh sh!t, i rest my case.........Why cant this Popcrooks concentrate on the real issues affecting the people of SA, than this crap.....

The anthem shows the unity of the country, including those who oppressed us blacks, it shows a united nation, black and white, We cant whipe out history and pretend as if it never happend, The anthem with different languages spells out our history......

Here I was thinking Julius was a m0ron, but this guys are poops....
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Papage

Sick mentality, SA belong to us all, not only Blacks, why should we drop "Die Stem"? sick people wants to go back and you may find that it is old people who are saying this, their time is up, we are in democracy now, stop hatered, if you dont like it, you may as well go to Australia. SA belong to us all.
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The-Vince

These retards must be smoking some animal sh!t like really now....! this is not necessary at all, what happened to building a united South Africa? and so if Zimbabwe and Zambia sing Nkosi sikeleli Afrika who gives a f@ck3n dime....Popcru or kakcru should just take the damn f@ck3n chill pill.
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xhosagirl

Juju was right these people no longer have work to do now they come up with this nonsense to create tension between Blacks and Whites
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spirro

@ Chyna!!!
I agree with you those boys and girls of popcru are on Nyaupe, they want to divide this rainbow nation, that some people sacrificed their lives 4, they are running out of ideas, to hell with that stupid idea.
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DA-DBN-GUY

Lutokolalubiko
Popcru is right, why should we sing die stem, which was sung by the apartheid goverment. The old man (Mandela) made too many compromises during DODESSA, it is time we reverse some of those compromises.

Then why sing iNkosi sikelel if it is also sung in Zim and Zam? Racists like you should rather move ti Zim or Zam then. i doubt you could reverse a car with out getting permission from your leeduhs
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P4T

mxm. That will never happen. Wishful thinking. Hey nina Popcru concentrate on your constituency issues. Niyeke ukukhuluma umibhedo.

Why not focus on upskilling your member? Do you know that most of them can't even write an affidavid? Let alone knowing basic legislation for them to carry their duties efficiently? Do you Popcru guys know that the deficiency in trained and experienced detectives cost the justice and judiciary system appropriate convictions?

Ningazosangana la.
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thabiso992000

Let the real africans sing nkosi sikelela and africans by difault will sing die stem
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Yotywa

Pity I agree with Popcru, this Die sterm thing is a war chanting thing and Nkosi sikelela is uniting prayer. Lets drop that thing.
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DA-DBN-GUY

And here I thought unions were supposed to fight for the rights of their workers and not trying to change the constitution. This is what you get when you allign political parties and unions. And I am still confused as to how a member of the SACP can be a minister of a "democratic" party such as the anc?
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David-

We need a new National anthem

Not nkosi sikelela or die stem

Start a competition like they did with the flag and see what turns up, the only problem is which national language will it be in
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DA-DBN-GUY

Yotywa
Pity I agree with Popcru, this Die sterm thing is a war chanting thing and Nkosi sikelela is uniting prayer. Lets drop that thing

have someone translate the words of Die Stem for you ijit!
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Mgaraji

My anger with the ANC is now it is existing to allay fears of minority. Where on earth have you heard a country 90% of blacks changing their national anthem to accommodate 10% white immigrant.
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Naivegirl

I'm so sick of far right wing and far left wing members of our society. They contribute nothing positive.

These are the people with the most ridicilous and inconsiderate views. I always thought that the mix of the national anthem was something to be proud of. My 3-year old can sing the WHOLE anthem word for word and she is Afrikaans.

I hope and pray that they are only a minority. I hope and pray that the majority of South Africans (black and white) are level headed and not filled with hatred. At least then I have some hope for us all.






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DA-DBN-GUY

Mgaraji
My anger with the ANC is now it is existing to allay fears of minority. Where on earth have you heard a country 90% of blacks changing their national anthem to accommodate 10% white immigrant.

Try New Zealand where 400000out of 4100000 people are Maori. they have included the Maori language at the beginning of their anthem. And who are you calling immigrant/ you ancestors are also immigrants dip shyte
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|Sinudeity|

Uit die blou van onse hemel, uit die diepte van ons see.
Oor ons ewige gegebergdes waar die kranse antwoord gee.
Deur ons ver verlate vlaktes, met die kreun van ossewa.
Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika.


Deal with it.
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Chyna!!!

@Lutokolalubiko & Yotywa

YOU'RE BOTH BIGOTED AND YOU CAN GO TO HELL AND BACK FOR ALL I CARE!!!
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|Sinudeity|

Lutokolalubiko - "Popcru is right, why should we sing die stem, which was sung by the apartheid goverment."

Why should we sing Nkosi Sikelele, which was sung by terrorist bombers?
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DA-DBN-GUY

Uit die blou van onse hemel, uit die diepte van ons see,
Oor ons ewige gebergtes waar die kranse antwoord gee.
Deur ons ver-verlate vlaktes met die kreun van ossewa -
Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, van ons land Suid-Afrika.
Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, ons sal offer wat jy vra:
Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe - ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika

Ringing out from our blue heavens, from our deep seas breaking round;
Over everlasting mountains where the echoing crags resound;
From our plains where creaking wagons cut their trails into the earth -
Calls the spirit of our Country, of the land that gave us birth.
At thy call we shall not falter, firm and steadfast we shall stand,
At thy will to live or perish, O South Africa, dear land.

Yotywa

PLEASE POINT OUT THE WAR CHANT FOR ME!!!
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David-

Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika
Classic Xhosa Version
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The first verse and chorus of this version are the original words composed by Enoch Sontonga in 1897. The remaining verses were added in 1927 by Samuel E Mqhayi.

Nkosi, sikelel' iAfrika;
Malupakam'upondo lwayo;
Yiva imitandazo yetu
Usisikelele.

Chorus

Yihla Moya, Yihla Moya,
Yihla Moya Oyingcwele

Sikelela iNkosi zetu;
Zimkumbule umDali wazo;
Zimoyike zezimhlouele,
Azisikelele.

Sikelel' amadol' esizwe,
Sikelela kwa nomlisela
Ulitwal'ilizwe ngomonde,
Uwusikilele.

Sikelel'amakosikazi;
Nawo onk'amanenekazi;
Pakamisa wonk'umtinjana
Uwusikilele.

Sikelela abafundisi
Bemvaba zonke zelilizwe;
Ubatwese ngoMoya Wako
Ubasikelele.

Sikelel'ulimo nemfuyo;
Gxota zonk'indlala nezifo;
Zalisa ilizwe ngempilo
Ulisikelele

Sikelel'amalinga etu
Awomanyana nokuzaka,
Awemfundo nemvisiswano
Uwasikelele.

Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika;
Cima bonk' ubugwenxa bayo
Nezigqito, nezono zayo
Uyisikelele.


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David-

God Bless Africa
Original Lovedale English Translation
Lord, bless Africa;
May her horn rise high up;
Hear Thou our prayers And bless us.

Chorus

Descend, O Spirit,
Descend, O Holy Spirit.

Bless our chiefs
May they remember their Creator.
Fear Him and revere Him,
That He may bless them.

Bless the public men,
Bless also the youth
That they may carry the land with patience
and that Thou mayst bless them.

Bless the wives
And also all young women;
Lift up all the young girls
And bless them.

Bless the ministers
of all the churches of this land;
Endue them with Thy Spirit
And bless them.

Bless agriculture and stock raising
Banish all famine and diseases;
Fill the land with good health
And bless it.

Bless our efforts
of union and self-uplift,
Of education and mutual understanding
And bless them.

Lord, bless Africa
Blot out all its wickedness
And its transgressions and sins,
And bless it.


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mokudubete

it is about time that this useless unions to disband,they lack relevant mandate they are trying very hard to be useful.
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David-

How would the communist party and non Christians view the use of the anthem in its original form

It is a lovely him, but not really suitable as a national anthem

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DA-DBN-GUY

David-

Thanks for that! is an awesome prayer which makes an equally awesome anthem. Pity the ruling party doesnt adhere to the anthem they chose.
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swona

what does the anthem had to do with workers rights?
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RobinH

swona: EXACTLY. These okes have lost sight of the basic function of a trade union.
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DA-DBN-GUY

swona
what does the anthem had to do with workers rights?

The unions have lost sight of what is really important and the real challenges that we are all facing and now have to resort to racial tactics to try and garner more support from the majority.
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thinya

MADNESS, BOGAFA, BOHLANYA,
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BlackLucky

There might as well be no anthem if that is the case. South African officials watch to much comedy I believe, they like pranks. And I won't be able to sing that long xhosa version that has ministers and wives in it. We might as well regard our Father who art in heaven as our anthem finish and klaar.
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mokudubete

this people are obsessed with changing everything in the name of scoring political points.
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mosadi-hadi

Too much obsession with changing everything unnecessarily yet there're so much unresolved serious issues! They are all there to push their own agendas mxm and we pay every month for unions to bring change in our workplaces
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Lutokolalubiko

Sowetan if you dont want us to comment just ban the fucken comments section....I wrote an innocent comment but you are rejecting it...
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|Sinudeity|

Sowetan blocking comments again?
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|Sinudeity|

Nope, just the ad-blocker preventing words like 'Fr33dom' and "Afrikan3r" from being posted.
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Bosepa2

Freedom and Afrikaner, are you for real ?
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Bosepa2 - Freedom works for me, but not Afrikan3r.
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ghost-forever

ThirdEye
This will divide the Nation, something that we don't need
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I right behind you my brother, 100% correct .
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Bosepa2

ha ha ha ha ha ha - what do you want to say about Afrikaner anyway ? Lol
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|Sinudeity|

Bosepa2 - Relevant to the anthem and the bunch of f@t@sses from the prison and police and their dislike for Afrikaans and Afrikan3rs.
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thabiso992000

Lets sing it in its originality and leave this european thing
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LLCool

Jaa, i rest my case, is this what this organisation can think of?

we have serious issues like police murder, police brutality etc
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bathate

Thats ridiculous.POPCRU. Focus on changing and rehabilitating prisoners..

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|Sinudeity|

thabiso992000 - Afrikaans isnt European.
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DA-DBN-GUY

thabiso992000
Lets sing it in its originality and leave this european thing

Are you Zulu or Xhosa then?
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thabiso992000

I am Motswana to u sinudeity, offcourse its European, where do u think ur forefathers hails from, oh i forgot, Van Riebeck did not have women in his crew when they landed in Cape, that is why we have so many colureds in they Cape
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thabiso992000 - Van Riebeeck didnt speak Afrikaans. Afrikaans was born in South Africa. Making it an African language, and the youngest language in the world.

Deal with it.
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koisan

Now what is the difference between Julius Malela ans POPCRU
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koisan

Now what is the difference between Juju and POPCRU
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Catswhiskers

Isn't Popcru a union?
When they are a political party, they can say what they want. Rather concentrate on the mess the SAPS is in!
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David-

thabiso992000

Are you going to change the tune then since it was made by Joseph Parry a Welsh composer and musician. Born in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, he is best known as the composer of Myfanwy and Aberystwyth (a hymn tune) used in Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika the National anthem of South Africa.
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THEOZA

mokudubete
i am not surprise every organisation that want to be considered as contributed something meaningful would always want to change names or something,our politics, you dont know if this people are be witched or insane.after that is done,how this will make our problems of service delivery go away.
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@ mokudubete, true there!

who exactly are these people? aren't they supposed to be a Trade Union? what the hell are they doing in the national anthem? damned them, we don't need this madness, as Mokudubete said, what will the country benefit from that? we are 18 years into the democracy but we keep on going back not forward, do they even care how we as SAs feel about their suggestions no demands coz whether we like it or not it is going to be implemented. MNXM!
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Mr_Biggs

Lol... Popcru, that is pure madness! We'll end up having 11 national anthems mos jaanong.
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Abdulla-Saleeh

I propose that the national anthem be changed completely, Nkosi sikeleli mean Gob bless (correct me if I'm wrong), I thought SA was a sircular constitutional state.
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Mmaditopo

Someone at Popcru is really bored.
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|Sinudeity|

Abdulla-Saleeh - Careful, if you do that your ancestors might come back to haunt you.
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madimetsha

remember this POPCRU are ANC members, now they want the law stopping Police in politics to be scrapped, in other words, so that ANC can then control the police, and do as they please, in terms of the Die Stem, that was the agreement made, now that we got what we want, we cannot change the rules to suit us...after all it is just a song, this is a publicity stunt...people want ROADS, EDUCATION, RDP HOUSES, GOOD ECONOMY WHICH CAN PROVIDE JOBS...people dont care about a song? how will it make their lives better?
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Abdulla-Saleeh

@Sinudeity

Oh! But Sontonga is not related to me! My own ancestors probably sang تذهب اللعنة على الجمال والزواج من الماعز
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madimetsha

From the blue of our heavens,
From the depths of our seas,
Over our everlasting mountains,
Where the crags give answer

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the above is the verse which was incorporated in the national anthem...translated into English....nothing else......
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|Sinudeity|

madimetsha - Doesnt help, the idjits have nothing against the lyrics, they have something against the language, and against the people that speak that language.
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Mmaditopo

Sowetan, please stop blocking my comments, nx!

At the risk of sounding really stupid-how will ANY anthem of ANY language with ANY message put food on someone's table, build the so-much-needed houses, clinics schools, solve the Marikana crisis, the increasing prices of petrol and all the daily necessities?
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madimetsha

and yes the truth is Afrikaans was born here, JV Riebeck spoke Dutch not Afrikaans, same way as a language known as Sotho now, is similar to a language spoke in Zambia, which is where Sothos ( probably Ngunis as well) came from ......meaning in SA only Khoisans can claim to be original inhabitants.......we all immigrants, we cannot alter the truth to suit our needs......history talks a lot about people from east and central African migrating towards the South.....
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madimetsha

@ Sinudity , people have elective truth.....if they have issues with the language or people who speak the language , they must raise it somewhere else......and leave the constitution alone....
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Decibels

That's the problem with our leaders they are too busy trying to win cheap victories while they turn a blind eye to what really would bring joy to our lives as the masses. They've done this before when they focused on freedom of movement, voting rights and blacks sharing malls and toilets with whites as if that made a significant impact to our condition.
WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY??
WHAT ABOUT OUR MINERALS??
WHAT ABOUT OUR LAND??
WHAT ABOUT THE STATUS QUO??
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RobinH

madimetsha: Nicely stated. Thankyou.
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MommaC

The police are a mess, the crime rate is horrible, the police are under attack by the government and Cosatu, the corruption is blossoming into a monster and they are worried about the national anthem? Geeez people, catch a flippin clue
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ILLUMINATED

I partly agree with them, how about we make Psalm 24 the national Anthem? We can mix english, afrikaans, Tswana, Zulu, Pedi, etc...

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah

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jnrb

OK fine , take it way then. I don’t care. I will continue living in a security estate, send my white kids to private schools, have private medical care and make money. They day South Africa boils over I will get on a plane and leave. Who needs an anthem anyway to survive? I thought it would be nice to make SA a better place than it was before and to have a united country, but so be it then. The bottom line is, poor people sitting in shacks can’t eat an anthem for dinner.

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todaysnews

No..it is not sung in zambia and zim!! really now.
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Mmaditopo

jnrb

The bottom line is, poor people sitting in shacks can’t eat an anthem for dinner
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I agree with you on this one.
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DeOvi

who o wat is popcru by the way????
no need to devide the nation, jus come up with ur own anthem for ur union, tsek
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ILLUMINATED

@madimetsha
and yes the truth is Afrikaans was born here, JV Riebeck spoke Dutch not Afrikaans, same way as a language known as Sotho now, is similar to a language spoke in Zambia, which is where Sothos ( probably Ngunis as well) came from ......meaning in SA only Khoisans can claim to be original inhabitants.......we all immigrants, we cannot alter the truth to suit our needs......history talks a lot about people from east and central African migrating towards the South.....
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Check your facts, the human race originates in the Mid-East, then scattered all over the world, 'blacks' ko India and Africa. Whites came from Europe and Asia and started causing trouble to the inhabitants of Africa and India. The papacy (where satan seat is) used the Jesuits, Vasco Da Gama etc as they went on a rampage.
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DeOvi

Decibels
That's the problem with our leaders they are too busy trying to win cheap victories while they turn a blind eye to what really would bring joy to our lives as the masses. They've done this before when they focused on freedom of movement, voting rights and blacks sharing malls and toilets with whites as if that made a significant impact to our condition.
WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY??
WHAT ABOUT OUR MINERALS??
WHAT ABOUT OUR LAND??
WHAT ABOUT THE STATUS QUO??
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true that, y cant they focus on the core issues.....the anthem cant create jobs and cant provide basic services
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Mgwijikhwebu

Eish... my comment was removed for supporting Popcru's call. Nevertheless, I am not surprised since the SA media (including AVUS) is serving the interests of the minority clique. You dare touch them you touch the whole mighty and powerful media. watch out over the next few days, the media will be throwing all forms of accusations and ins'ults at Popcru for telling the honest truth.
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NthoeBonolo

I think Popcru should start with its house first, for instance you go to the Police Station to open a case using you home language, the police will write what you are saying in English or Afrikaans which they them self don't know & you end up losing a case base on what they wrote.
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Abdulla-Saleeh

@Illuminated, actually the evidence so fer points to Africa and specifically South Africa (craddle of humankind) that this is where the early homo species originated.

Also we cannot ise the psalms as our anthem SA is not a christian state.
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mashima?

Sowetan please we need people's view and ideas, but some of the commens here is not AYOBA.

You: chyna!!! and Bosepa2, please stop that. I feel offended.
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Danielrjvvuren

Oh My God... Really? Popcru wants this, but they can not protect the people? I like the anthem as it is, it stand for our diversity and all our languages. How would they enforce such a thing anyways? Imprison an entire stadium for singing a few lines of Afrikaans? This is why other countries laugh at us, we can not supply we can not protect but we demand stupid things. Got to love SA.
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Fruitiliciousness

What is really going on in RSA? all this fighting against each other, the young not respecting the elderly e.g Malema i understand its politics but you have to differentiate between disrespect and making a point... regardless of what is happening i say even so Lord Jesus come, that is our only hope of living in peace and harmony!
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|Sinudeity|

Fruitiliciousness - Dont worry, Jesus is coming back soon. The ANC's days are numbered.
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Printa

And this helps our Economy and the state that our people are in HOW EXACTLY?

Am sick and tired of these retards shifting focus on issues that people are more concerned and matters to the masses.

Only fat, over spent lazies can come up with such intelligence at the time that our country is facing so many real issues.
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KEKGATHETSE

sies!!!!?
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SVR

Typical from a group representing some of the most corrupt, ill trained and downright dangerous individuals in this country. Why don't you rather focus on improving the training and morals of your members, I think this is your reason for existing, not to comment on our national anthem.
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Papage

They can't even sing, why can't they keep quite when they get to Die Stem, jus zip and continue with the Zulu/English side. We have more important things to worry about and you come with rubbish
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Popeye

Nazo-ke futhi…is this going to change the lives of the S. African? These people always push the wrong buttons…umsangano wodwa-ke lona.
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Bebesocs

what do they know about national anthem? Its Vavi again and his thiefs. They have not addressed the mine issues now they start with national anthem, the popcru members killed our brothers in Marikana has Vavi addressed that? They cannot handle Malema now they target the soft targets.
The police instead of talking about your working conditions you talk about what is going to promote Vavi and his thieves, what mentality is that, there are police stations with no police cars, instead of you police asking for good vans and cars (BMW,4X4) you talk about national anthem which you do not even know its origin, that is going to invite bad bad bad comments. How many cases or places or people have you not reached and help them? This group of people called police are not innocent as they appear. There are cases where people have called for help from police and their properties have been burglared and people have been injured but these police never come and they say we have NO CARS but today they talk about national anthem. F.O.O.L.S
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Groovisto

Dear Popcru
what does the national Anthem has to do with your struggles or any of your existence? You failed to oust Vavi now you want to cause discomfort and instability in the country! Where will having Die Stem and English part have in achieving a United and Progressive South Africa?

Why fiddle with IT if its not broken? What are your aims guys? We need each other both Black and White...what are you driving at? This is National Anthem not Marikana please leave our Anthem alone!!!
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Hail

Popcru is way out of line! I will tell you something that the should have prevented: Police not to be turned into military, Cut the two acts in their envrioment. i.e Police Act and Public Act to be one act, talk about growth in the ploice, talk about training of the police the list is endless! Do they know the meaning of rainbow nation? are they sulking that the leadership of cosatu has not change hence they were looking at the position with hungry eyes?
The police department is in a mess! go and fixed it and leave politics to politician. Why do people paY this st#pid union. In your dreams, we love it as it is as it represent rainbow nation.
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Bebesocs

POPCRU...are you satisfied with the working conditions of your members? POPCRU are you satisfied the way your members (police) are treating the members of the public? How many people of the public have been harrassed by the police and people are afraid to report? Check Mthatha region.
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Boogie1985

I REALY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY. SEEMS A PERSON GOES TO BED, HAS A STUPID DREAM THEN WANTS TO IMPLEMENT IT THE NEXT DAY. LEADERSHIP, WETHER IT BE ANC, DA, POPCRU, COSATU ETC...... SHOULD BRING TOGETHER A BEYOND DIVIDED NATION AND NOT PUSH PEOPLE EVEN FURTHER APART.

@MGWIJIWATWAT, WHAT ARE THEY SPOT ON ABOUT?????? AS AN AFRICAN IN THIS COUNTRY I SOMETIMES THINK WE ARE HYPOCRITES, WELL ATLEAST SOME OF US. WE TEND TO INFRINDGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHER RACES WHERE AS THE MINUTES IT IS DONE TO US WE CRY RACISM.......... AS MUCH AS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE SO DO OTHER CITIZENS
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cornelius

The "compromise" was an agreement, i.e. a contract. You cannot break it.
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PitoriCrazy11

madimetsha
and yes the truth is Afrikaans was born here, JV Riebeck spoke Dutch not Afrikaans, same way as a language known as Sotho now, is similar to a language spoke in Zambia, which is where Sothos ( probably Ngunis as well) came from ......meaning in SA only Khoisans can claim to be original inhabitants.......we all immigrants, we cannot alter the truth to suit our needs......history talks a lot about people from east and central African migrating towards the South.....

Lozi, is the language and below is the history behind it
The Kololo were a Sotho people who used to live in what is now Lesotho. The Kololo were forced to flee from Shaka Zulu's Mfecane during the 1830s. Using tactics they had copied from the Zulu armies, the Kololo conquered the Luyana on the Zambezi floodplains and imposed their rule and language. However, by 1864 the indigenous population revolted and overthrew the Kololo. By that time, the Luyana language had been largely forgotten; the new hybrid language is called Lozi or Silozi and is closer to Sesotho than to any other neighbouring languages in Zambia.
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PitoriCrazy11

@ madimetsha
and yes the truth is Afrikaans was born here, JV Riebeck spoke Dutch not Afrikaans, same way as a language known as Sotho now, is similar to a language spoke in Zambia, which is where Sothos ( probably Ngunis as well) came from ......meaning in SA only Khoisans can claim to be original inhabitants.......we all immigrants, we cannot alter the truth to suit our needs......history talks a lot about people from east and central African migrating towards the South.....

Lozi, is the language and below is the history behind it
The Kololo were a Sotho people who used to live in what is now Lesotho. The Kololo were forced to flee from Shaka Zulu's Mfecane during the 1830s. Using tactics they had copied from the Zulu armies, the Kololo conquered the Luyana on the Zambezi floodplains and imposed their rule and language. However, by 1864 the indigenous population revolted and overthrew the Kololo. By that time, the Luyana language had been largely forgotten; the new hybrid language is called Lozi or Silozi and is closer to Sesotho than to any other neighbouring languages in Zambia.
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skwamasamabele

After the Civil War, we'll all go back to Nkosi Sikelele... All 'die stem' enthusiasts can go on the Drommedarris, Reiger and Goode Hoop (dead wood) and sail to oblivion. A big sign should be put in all entry ports: NO RACISTS WANTED!!!!!
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TheTruthWillSetYouFree

@ Skwamasamabele your comment is racist. If you state no racist allowed but whish all the Whites to sail to ablivion how do you suppose that this is not deep racism in its self. You see i love the comments on this site where people insult other races but back it up by we dont want racism when ifact the racist is writing the comment. The Stem was not a comprimise. It was an agreement to hand over the land without a war. It was a devided nation who came to an agreement. To remove this means the the agreement was in fact a lie from the ones calling for its abandoment.

Both songs are about South Africa its people it beuty. It is about being blessed by God and ensurign as patriots we will die protecting our country . It calls for Unity. We tend to forget the sacrifises made my whites to ensure freedom as much as we forget the sacrifises made by blacks for the same cause. Unity stopped with President Mandela as capitilism at the cost of unity took over.

We could in this country have been much futher if nation building was core to our believes. It obviosly was high jacked when things went wrong and devide and rule took place to ensure power. Power has been kept at the cost of peeople. Reconsiliation and love has been lost due to political weakness.

It is a shame that POPcru does not focus on its members welll being. It is time this country leaves Unions out of poletics. We need to eave religion, race and gender out of of poletics to as politics is about managing the well being of this country. All races, religions and genders should be given equal respect. It need not be forced but when visions of leaders such as Mandela is lost by nation deviders out to stay in power afor the sake of their own poacket we get lost. We are lost because we rather see the downfall of each of the above groups instead of finding sollutions to our devide. We seek no more nation building. It has been replaced by seeking the down fall of our sisters our brothers and our neighbors who make up this beutifull country. South Africans are being led as sheep instead of being led by their hearts. One person screams its white mens fault, the next shouts it is black mans fualt. Then we state it is religion etc and we have a big cocktail missing deviding our nation.

Sorry but i love you all. You frustrate me at times but you all my South Africans brothers and sisters. Should we be invaded i will die next to you in trenches that is my offering to you South Africa
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TheMan2000

Like really, of all the challenges that the country is having changing the National Anthem is your priority guys come on. You are the ones failing this country because you have the chance to discuss issues that matters not about signing. I hope you won't be proposing that mshini wami be the national anthem in 2012.
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Djembe

@Third Eye, the nation is divided anyway it was never united. Even de Klerk and Madiba never tied a knot. The combining of the two anthems is the biggest lie. Blacks do sing the Afrikaans and English versions but 99% of the whites are not prepared to learn. Good suggestion Popcru. There should be a referendum (yes or no) for the national anthem. Cities, buildings, streets etc. have been changed why can't choose the song that has a meaning? Long live Nkosi sikelel'i afrika.....
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Ndele01

Popcru - changing street names and songs doesn't fix a country - start doing something constructive to improve the economy. Go and listen again to the Afrikaans part of the song and you will notive that the words are only positive.

Be positive - not negative. Everywhere the country is being destroyed - an all levels - do something good.
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