lindsay

what are they going to do and what were they waiting for all this time people are being intimidated and butchered whilst they are busy talking
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cornelius

These are difficult times and difficult decisions have to be made. I am not sure whether the heavy jackboot response is the right one - this could lead to more violence - and a mini-revolution.

I would say the affected mines should close, fire the illegal strikers ( One has sympathy for people struggling to earn a living, but the country cannot afford to let illegal actions become the order of the day), which will calm thins down. In a few months, start recruiting again. I feel even less sympathy for the fact that some wealthy capitalists will suffer some financial damage in the process.
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MommaC

All sounds very much like the late 1980's.

I must admit, I am just about ready to go shoot them myself.
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Mbeki_2

I think the ANC govt V V I Ps 'VERY MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN US' have finally pi$$ed the people off. They bought one expensive car too many and our people have had ENOUGH of listening to their BS. Now the Zoom-Zoom govt has to jump around to deal with this. Do you think they will COPE?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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ktzo

The miners must seek amminution from the AWB, Boeremag, Kenyan Rebels, DRC rebels and Somali pirates and prepare themselves for a war with the police.
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Tasto

State of emergency again in DEMOCRATIC SA, BJ Voster & PW Botha must smiling wherever they are!!
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sabza007

@Cornelius

I hear you and i agree. Tough decisions has to be made. These miners think they are above the law.
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RobinH

ktzo: Anyone who advocates war and violence, with respect, is nuts. No-one ever wins in violent conflict.
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BlackLucky

Like whites said "Let the rule and they will kill each other, then we will see who will to blame". Just under 18 years its already happening, blame it on the greedy leaderships who are enriching themselves from our votes, us people on the ground. Whatever they do I am not interested, let it be war, I am ready to watch real movie taking place at Marikanawood
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Tasto

@sabza007
@Cornelius

I hear you and i agree. Tough decisions has to be made. These miners think they are above the law.

1960 Dompass demonstrators & 1976 Youth thought they were above the law neh?
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ktzo

RonbinH - Talks are in favour of the employer we khow that, so miners must have same fire force equal to that of the police. like Bheki Cele, fight fire with fire. Do you think umkhodo we sizwe had knobkirries fighting the apartheid regime? Tyres were burning my friend, petrol was the order of the day. Tell me which country revolutionised through talks??
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RobinH

ktzo: War and violence do not solve things. We are not talking the liberation struggle here. But if vilence is what you want, then why try talking to intelligent people here. Go to the front and put YOUR life on the line... or is your office too comfy?
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NDA

Black to black violence a yeye.
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BRA-MAFUTHA

give them a deserved salary and all this violence will stop or else blood will continue to flow
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RobinH

Tasto. We agree. What a pleasure!
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RobinH

ktzo: The fact that humans have not yet been able to develop means of dealing with conflict other than violence is a great tragedy. Certainly there have been very few bloodless revolutions, but if you really study world history you will find that there have in fact been several, over the centuries. Very few, but still. That aside, I agree, most revolutions in the past have involved bloodshed. That IN NO WAY makes bloodshed desirable. All it means is that we humans have yet to evolve. Killing people simply can NEVER be a good thing. And I say that with absolutely no religious angle, as I am not religious. It's simply common sense - something sorely lacking in our political environment.

Now about the air-conditioning in your office.......... lol
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imfene

Cornelius hi. Just one thing, with respect.Borrowing money to run an operation is not cheap and your reputation influences the cost of borrowing. You cannot have a business / taxes etc. without these so called evil capitalists.Thank you.
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Papage

I guess they declare war on individuals, let the bring it on, we are waiting. We will never tolerate Peanuts Salaries anymore, We will never tolerate Corruption any longer moreso from Government Ministers and Officials, We will never tolerate poor service delivery any more, we will render this Country ungovernable. Zuma and his Minister must all Go, Justice, Police and Health institures re failing our people, That must not be tolerated any more, we will deal with useless Cousilors
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KEKGATHETSE

tough times indeed. i say empty threats. they dont have the moral to do anything. odds are against them, they are weak. arresting that troublesome Malema can only make him more infamous.begining of the end.
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Papage

Thye are scared of Malema and send a blanket warning, shame on you.
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BRA-MAFUTHA

These miners are not above the law they are excising their right to the law, white people are getting paid fat cash for doing nothing at their place of work while a black man under round digging wealth for this country is being subjected to a low salary. Maqabane you must continue fighting for what is rightfully yours. at least guys with R12500- R16200 you’d be able to take care of your families and send your kids to private schools and attend private hospitals for a better health VIVA to that.
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imfene

Robin, again with respect to you,violence is and always will be part of the human make up. The more testosterone, the more violence. The immediate given reason for the violence will always be there, or easily manufactured.
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|Sinudeity|

BRA-MAFUTHA - "white people are getting paid fat cash for doing nothing at their place of work"


You wish.
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RobinH

Bra-fatone: Do NOT make this a racial issue. How many of those shareholders are in fact NOT white. What about Ramaphosa, and a host of others. If I'm not mistaken, Ju-Ju also has financial interests in that industry. By all means rail against capitalist exploitation, but in today's SA capitalism is a beast of many colours. Thinking otherwise is just naive.
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imfene

all workers with any pension/ benefit fund is invested in thes mines.
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RobinH

Imfene: But that is exactly what I am saying. The fact that it is so does not make it good. And never will. And with respect, although most of the violent talk here has been from men, a few women have been pretty vocal too, so I wonder about the testosterone bit. See ktzo....
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Tasto

@RobinH
Bra-fatone: Do NOT make this a racial issue. How many of those shareholders are in fact NOT white. What about Ramaphosa, and a host of others. If I'm not mistaken, Ju-Ju also has financial interests in that industry. By all means rail against capitalist exploitation, but in today's SA capitalism is a beast of many colours. Thinking otherwise is just naive.

Hy may laarney spot on even the NUM R1.4 per annum leader has shares in the same mine(s), embedded.That is why they see NATIONALIZATION now as not economically viable to their share holdings in the mines!!
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MGEEZ

@Tasto
Please tell us what is the state of emergency in your understanding? Do you think that just because we are in a democratic state; anarchy should be appreciated in this country? All what I hear the ministers to be saying is that any unlawful gathering will be dealt with; and I think this is necessary for the very reasons the minister have given. My only question is what took them so long???
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Tasto

@MGEEZ
@Tasto
Please tell us what is the state of emergency in your understanding? Do you think that just because we are in a democratic state; anarchy should be appreciated in this country? All what I hear the ministers to be saying is that any unlawful gathering will be dealt with; and I think this is necessary for the very reasons the minister have given. My only question is what took them so long???

Where is the government of the people by the people?Why not go to talk to the people the same president went to ally the miners as if he was listening to their grievancies now he turns on them like a snake!!
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ktzo

They want to introduce an apartheid style of if you see more that 3 people its an illegal gathering shoot them. This fat cats are gonna go down, if they dont do the right thing by sharing wealth then they will lose it all. Just like Saddam hussain and others. he died in a rat hole. so ANC here it comes.
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cornelius

@imfene - I realise that it is a complex system at play here - my comment was a bit of a throwaway line, but I do think the rich, i.e people who are investors in mines, can suffer a bit in the process.
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MommaC

Our government has made a complete and utter hash of this whole situation. They got caught short because our useless crime intel is so busy snooping for politicians that they didn't even know what was going on even though they got a warning in Feb when Implats had their problem initially. They then waited for a week before even acknowledging the shooting and now they want to go all PW Botha on everyone. It is just wrong on so many levels
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