tibza

i will be there making sure that cde Vavi get his position of secretary general again.........
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Pointman

A combination of demagogues (Malema and AMCU) and useful idiots (the miners) have led to deaths, loss of income for miners and loss of investment for the country. Are we trying to build or destroy our democracy? The facts have been buried under a load of useless rhetoric.
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Ndele01

I agree with Vavi that the miners have to be paid more and that the British are greedy (refer Lonmin management where 3 people are earning R38m. Also ABSA with their excessive bank charges - the banking Ombudsman is in the "pocket" of the banks - long ago already and he has no function anymore).

But I am surprised (or probably not) that the President showed no leaderhip at Marikana. Coming to a protest with weapons is looking for trouble. The President should have been firm that weapons are not allowed - are our people barbarians ? Striking alone will have the mining bosses listening - you don't need weapons - we are not living in the middle ages. The President never takes a stand on anything so that he can be elected again.

I agree that an investigation should be done into the police shootings but I wonder what the public feeling would have been if the first pictures shown by the media were those of the policemen hacked to death as opposed to the police shooting at the people ? You would immediately have taken the police's side.

In South Africa the first people guilty are the police, and the second, the individual who shoots a criminal in his house at 03h00 in the morning.
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LBS

>>Vavi also highlighted the plight of domestic workers, farm workers, security guards and other low-income groups earning as little as R13 an hour<<

.......... and then we have those people who don't earn anything at all so what is the solution?
Demand higher (eg domestic) wages and even more people become unemployed.

IMHO workers in general have become VERY dissatisfied because of the government fat cats who think they are entitled to exorbitant salaries and perks, paid for by the hard pressed taxpayer!

The (the workers) see the disparity in lifestyles and also want to live large.
Trouble is there isn't enough money for everyone to live luxurious lifestyles. The best most of us can expect is to earn enough to pay the bills and live reasonably comfortably.

The ANC government have created a monster of entitlement which is feeding on itself. THEY made promises THEY can't keep and neither can the taxpayer.
They dished out grants which are unsustanable in the long run as more join the queue for a freebie rather than finding work.
When 'some' do find work they want mega salaries on minimum experience!

Demanding more and more, doesn't grow the money pot - it's more like to see the money pot taken elsewhere!
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_Sinudeity

Half of the school kids, that enter the workforce, didnt finish matric. And the half that does, has an average pass-mark of 40%. Do these youths expect to be doctors, CEO's, programmers, scientists, engineers?
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warry

@ ndele leave the president alone. First the strike is unprotected strike which means workers didn't follow the law. At the moment all may be fired and Lonmin will win that case in court. Second he announced a judicial commission of inquiry to establish the truth and decide afterwards.

Let's be fair, in future I think we should have a system that say if you not happy with what you earn then find something better. Nobody owes anyone in this world. Your failures in life should not be my problems in future, those miners may do a lot by improving their education level with that 4000 Rands but cause they have lots of girlfriends lots of kids or even wives why do you blame your employer the salary you giving me I can't feed my kids, my mother, my brothers kids. There are lots of opportunities in the mines let the study.

Cause the unions introduced them to thebculture of violence and lies let them be in a position to control them. Why do nt they encourage the mine bosses to educate them? Are they the unions treating them as cash cows while lying go them? It's time as south Africans to wake up and believing to doing things in our own.

Same an old man with eight kids fighting with police wanting an report house, he'll where we're you in your late twenties, thirties, forties, and early fifties? In exile? Hell Jong.

Vavialways talk cause he can is like saying there is lot of unemployment and the youth will oneday implode. Ok Mr Vavi what do we do to solve this problem? Ntsho he never give a suggestion.ok let parliament change some of our Labour laws to attract investors to create employment, he is number one to lead that march to fight the amendments. So what kindnof a leader is that. Or he thinks nationalisation is the answer? Implement it in our moral less society you shall see real poverty and war. If the minerals underneath make you hate the western countries then badluck. Start your own mines and let's see where you gonna get the skills of mining and the machinery and equipments.

Political education and education is important to the general public of South Africa. Let's not kill the dream of Mandela. Let's appreciate that. Yep we know that the hani they hated so much had to be killed cause he hated the idea of corporate freedom. Being freed cause of a certain corporate wanted you to be freed but will control you economically. That you don't fight its all over the world, even in the world biggest democracy the USA. Our miners are earning better to their counterparts in China the world second largest economy and a socialist state. Let people like Vavi not push their agenda by frustrating the population.

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Dandan

@_Sinudeity


remember last year I informed you about two boys I sent to Madadeni FET , one is booked for trade test next week at Olifantsfontein for plumbing , he is finished , Im over the moon with these boys, very young 19yrs of age, the other one doing electricity I expect him too finish early next yr, Im proud for these boys to listen to me
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kutsukuyi

@Ndele I do not think that you can expect the President to tell workers not to carry spears when he carried one on his weddings. Its a culture to carry a spear or knobkerrie to Imbizo or traditional ceremony
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MommaC

LOL
'in partnership with Xstrata - the major shareholders in Lonmin?

Here is a clue Vavi. Stop making it so difficult to find a job and stop making it so difficult to get an education in SA and the situation will fix itself. It is a case of supply and demand. If we have more demand for workers and a lower supply of unemployed, they have a choice of who to work for and what salary to accept. Simple as that
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Traveljunie

Vavi is part of this system and not helping. Unions are one of the biggesr problems in SA
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