MommaC

Vavi, you two faced snake, how about cleaning up your own house? Cosatu is a mess
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Mrazane

I am happy that Vavi has the courage to raise issues that the ANC would love to have buried. However I do have a concern about Vavi, is he Cosatu's president for life? Are there no other leaders who can lead Cosatu? It makes me think of the bank employee who never goes on leave...mmmm?
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ThrippleGee

"It says workers are not happy, they are looking for new unions, and those available are positioning themselves," said Vavi. Moment of the Truth
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NDA

We are behind you comrade vavi chill you and juju got the support because you always voice out your concerns true leaders indeed.
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Flemza

Vavi I truely really feel for u I wish you my good lucky , with miners demanding a 315% salary hike , which industry in the world in this day and age of recession who would give employees such a massive pay hike , let alone only 50% its unthinkable , I have never seen an employer offering just 20% , now , Malema is talking about 315% salary hike , I think we are onto something bigger than Marikana , if COSATU don`t act intelligently and now , this could be 21st century miners wage revolution , which will spill over to other industries
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MorenaWaPolelo

Viva VAVI Viva!!!
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cornelius

Vavi, you had better get your butt over to Limpopo boetie - stand in the sun and dust and listen and speak to the miners, otherwise its all going to fall apart very soon.
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KEKGATHETSE

The rot has collapsed the liberators intergrity. very sad.
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swona

I think when you talk of corruption, you directly targeting Malema
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Siya5297

Mr Vavi I thank you for your courage, you once raised the issue of the tenders, to my surprise that issue made the comrades angry and its obviuous why cause they are benefiting. Its sad that the ANC is surrounded by corrupt people right now, its really sad

@MommaC - I hope you have cleaned your house.
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Tikoloshe

....Wow, where have Vavi and Nzimande been these last few years????

Now that Malema have driven a wedge between their Parties and the reality of the workers on the ground, they come out shouting!!!!

The ANC and Tri-partate alliance hyena's and bourgoiuse have been so busy feeding faces at the expense of the poor that they are totally detached from what is happening in reality!!!!

Please guys, watch the Ghadaffi video of his last few seconds on earth!!
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MommaC

Siya5297

My house is squeaky clean. How is NUM and SATAWU doing?
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ChampRef

Viva Cmde VAVI viva, you are my man dear, but be careful o seke wa tlo bolawa ke mamenene a. I miss STEVE TSHWETE.
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ThirdEye

@Mrazane
Vavi is the Secretary-General not President of Cosatu, if you read M&G on Friday you will understand that he didn't want to be in this position for life. But comrades persuaded him to stay on.

I hope he emerge again & lead Cosatu, we need him more now than before.
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Kabelo10

The only capable leader in SA. Intervene on marikana saga as it seems NUM is incapable nowadays unlike NUMSA.
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Leqeka

Someone tell me why after 18 years of freedom is the labour movement cosatu still part of gorvenment. In most successful democracy in the world, labour is not part of gorvenment. Mr Vavi,let cosatu pull out of the anc, the workers are the only ones currently who have the power to stop this desease called the anc
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DivineLife

Mr Vavi, if you're truly against corruption campaign for scorpion to be brought back
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Maqhankqa

@Flemza
When you start to talk about percentages the 315% salary hike appears to be preposterous. If you contextualize it and juxtapose it to what the miners are currently getting, then , the 315% becomes miniscule. If I pay you R5.00 and increase by 1000% you'll be earning R5.000.00 which is still very small in today's buying power. I agree with you Flemza that we are on something bigger than Marikana, this is just the beginning.
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DivineLife

or maybe he is complaining because He is not benefiting > If he is serious Scorpion
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MommaC

Maqhankqa

Last year, Lonmin made a bottom line profit of R320 odd million.
30,000 miners at an increase of R800 per month would be a yearly increase on salary of R288 BILLION. Now the price of platinum is lower than it was last year so where would the mine get that kind of money?
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Sandile84

I love this guy, he must become a president of South Africa soon. He must have a very competent economic adviser though because he does tend to make fanancially unsound suggestions regarding how to run the economy.
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Flemza

@Maqhankqa
@Flemza
When you start to talk about percentages the 315% salary hike appears to be preposterous. If you contextualize it and juxtapose it to what the miners are currently getting, then , the 315% becomes miniscule. If I pay you R5.00 and increase by 1000% you'll be earning R5.000.00 which is still very small in today's buying power
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But the miners are not earning R5.00 are they? , they are earning R4 500.00 after deductions , now how much is that before deduction , I don`t have a problem with miners getting a reasonble increase which will equate to reasonable wage , not 315% increase , what will us share holder get then, we have invested our hard monies in these mines
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Maqhankqa

@Flemza
But the miners are not earning R5.00 are they? , they are earning R4 500.00 after deductions , now how much is that before deduction , I don`t have a problem with miners getting a reasonble increase which will equate to reasonable wage , not 315% increase , what will us share holder get then, we have invested our hard monies in these mines
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R5.00 was just my analogy. The R4.500.00 you are talking about is the nett salary of 25% of the workforce and the rest receives far lesser amount of money.As a shareholder you have siphoning all the profits the mine has been producing without regard for the people who are toiling underground. Reasonableness under these circumstances is a subjective term. I left the mines 7 years back when I realized that I could not feed my family on their pittance wages. So I'm not shocked by the current level of discontent of the miners. If the shareholders cannot pay the workers a decent wage, then, its better for the mines to be nationalized. These mines belong to the people of this country not shareholders.

I don't care how much money the shareholders purport to have invested in these mines they have looted these mines for far too long to claim such investments. As for the NUM the less said about it the better. Baleni has been dodging any inquisitions into his salary being over a million rand whreas he is merely a union official.
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cornelius

Create workers trusts for each mine, and give ( not sell) that trust a 10 % shareholding in the mine. That way the workers will benefit directly, together with other shareholders - no nationalisation needed, just common sense, and the bona fides of all concerned.
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16-12-1838

@ Maqhankqa

Please, please, please explain in some detail how you think nationalisation will benefit not only the mineworkers but all the people of this country???

All of you socialist/marxist dreamers throw this word around but none of you are able to explain the reality of how it will be implemented and the mechanics of its operation, to ensure any kind of financial longevity? Also, how can you even begin to have so much faith in this ludicrous economic philosophy when those who will be controlling it are so very corrupt, deceiptful, incompetent and grossly inexperienced...what do you honestly think will happen hey?

Sure it's good to live in an imaginary world when life is so painfully cruel but come on, let's be realistic here...what is better R4,500.00pm or R0.00pm? Such ridiculous wage demands are not sustainable in any industry, especially one as fickle as mining. Inclusion through having a vested interest in the profitability of the particular mine that one works for, is the only real solution and fair to stakeholders on both sides of the fence.
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ModiseP

Cosatu didn't forsee that corruption was the ruling party mission under privatisation.South Africans fought against privatisation and ANC recruited Cosatu to be affiliated to them.ANC convinced Cosatu to recruit other unions to join them.Members union keep on saying we don't trust our leaders.Today they pretend as if they are on the round table negotiation about Marikana masacre.GOVT,Unions and company management are the one who endorsed Privatisation.They won't reach point infavour of the workers.E tlile go ba ntsha dijo moganong.
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cornelius

@ModiseP - is the answer to revoke the privatisation and nationalise, or to root out the corrupt and the corruption ?
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Mzabalazo

VAvi you cannot be everything in all things, it's either you are against the ruling party's mondus opperandi or you support it. Which suffering is the better devil, there should be a better one between he two, just like the struggle days, submission to the apartheid govt was bad and resistance was bad either, but the latter was the better devil, so choose Vavi which is which.
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Mzabalazo

Nationalization never worked in the socialist countries and they decided to privatize, so why should it work in SA if it did not in other countries ? We forget so quick, socialist countries crumbled in the 90's in front of us and we think a funny capitalist whose company could hardly build a proper bridge in Limpopo can implement a successful socialism, that is the joke of the year.
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maditaba

@Mrazane. Vavi is not Cosatu's president,he is the general secretary. And he gets elected into that position. He has only served two terms so far.
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Papage

The strategy this guy and his ANC guys are using stink, we now know Vavi, what kind a person you are, you can say much but we know you are wearing one head and driving one agenda, that of a corrupt ANC, if they are corrupt and you are not with them, then be bold and get out of the partnership, how do you sleep with a bitch if you are not one yourself? Vavi stop playing with our feelings, shut up the better. your own wife is in business with Zuma's wife. who is fooling who here?
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mambaaai

Vavi do you know who Arthur Scargill is and what a mess he made in History?.... he cost thousands of jobs and caused the closure lots of companies.... either you or juju wil get the same mantle
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jnrb

Ag Vavi please keep quiet. You and Malema forced Zuma down our throats at Polokwone 2007 and now we sit with the mess. I mean after the tragedy at the Marikane mine, he is too scared to actually go on site and talk to the people but rather hosts a media briefing 10km away. Even FW de Klerk tried to drive into Boypatong after that incident in 1993.
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mambaaai

jnrb welll said,


you know what a "fence post turtle is?" " its a sea trurtle that somebody put upon the top of a fence post, and the turtle doesent know what it is supposed to do up there...." ;p
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Wordoftruth

Mr Vavi. You and your fellow union comrades should FOCUS. You can't as a federation of unions be in politics, business whilst you are supposed to effectively and efficiently run a competent union FOR THE WORKERS.

ditto for the ANC.
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