TigerM

these concerned resident should get a life maan
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Danger1985

Tiger I agree with you.This couple wasnt stealing 4rm anyone infact thety are enterpreneurs who are employing the "unemployed." we cabn condemn them 4 making noise but thats abt it...aaah FPB so shud they rather go and steal and go 2 jail...2 many haters shame...
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TigerM

people must learn to mind their own business finish and klaar maan, as long as there were no minors and illegal activities, this fpb are just cash cows, people have sex all the time and its become a norm for people to film themselves
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RobinH

Tiger and Danger: Are you guys seriously supporting people making porn , possibly using minors?
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TigerM

Robin u now speculating broer, do you have proof that those were minors???
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MommaC

TigerM

"schoolgirls' tends to suggest very young girls.

The rules are there to prevent child pornography and other forms of abuse. If we don't want to see 5 year olds in porno flicks then we must make sure not to go down the slippery slope to start with
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Danger1985

WE ARE AGAINST USING CHILDREN dont get us wrong...
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TigerM

Residents said beautiful women, some described as "young as schoolgirls", would arrive at the flat shortly after the children in the complex had gone off to school

Pardon me,english is not my mothers tongue, however this suggest assumption to me, dont get me wrong I'm not promoting this kind of behavior, however there is far better things to be concerned about, especially if the parties consented
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RobinH

TIger. There is a distinct possibility, But either way, with respect, I am a full-blooded male with all the urges and all, but I find the notion of porn disgusting. Assumption, maybe, but a very reasonable one.
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somaartakeit

We especially need death penalty to sort out these sex predators abusing young children for their devious lustful parasitic way of life, I expect that the parents of the girls used in such pornography vids will take actions against this couple?
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MommaC

TigerM

Let us assume (for arguments sake) that they are all over the age of consent.
If the industry is not regulated and just anybody can make commercial porn, what is to stop others from using 'stars' that are not over the age of consent or people who are forced?

I'm not a great advocate of the nanny state but, in this area, I am fully behind having the industry closely monitored so that any form of abuse can be stopped
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Flemza

Where these young girls being forced to go to the house or they were going there willingly , if its so the blame shouldn`t be on the couples who wants to make a decent living , the useless parents of the girls are to blame , they should be the ones to be evicted and arrested
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Mellow

Tiger and Danger
Really mense now which part of YOUNG and ILLEGAL dont you get? Are you for real promoting this? With everything we trying to fight in SA and you promoting porn, they used kids well obviously in an oxford dictionary young means excatly that so they are not adults and it cant be legal

Morning Robin, MommaC and Somaartakeit oohhhhh SA is led by #orny dogs and now seems like more and more ppl are turning into this sick monsters
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somaartakeit

@RobinH
TIger. There is a distinct possibility, But either way, with respect, I am a full-blooded male with all the urges and all, but I find the notion of porn disgusting. Assumption, maybe, but a very reasonable one.
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And in any-case residential areas are meant to be habitat areas for families, as such activities such as shooting porn movies should be done in appropriately designated areas, the residents were within their rights to report the couple, and also ppl should always remember that industry such as this one, is associated with drugs and child molesters, hence I said these couple deserve maximum sentence for putting everyone's children in that community to such risk.
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Danger1985

There is no concrete proof that school children were used...
Robin we respect your notion and were u stand...but this couple wasnt commiting a crime...there was a gap in the market and they took it...prividing entertainment to the masses that approve of it...if they are distributing it to children that is wrong and inappropriate...
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somaartakeit

@Mellow
Tiger and Danger
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hallo you:-) you are never gonna get thru these 2, they are the epitomy of what's wrong in SA which is escalating rape stats and child molestation hence SA is sex crime capital of the world, I feel sorry for communities where these 2 preside if they can not see an outrage in this perverted act by these UN-neighborly creatures, the fact that they are not employed is no excuse, if we excuse such behaviour we might as well as say drug lords are usually the unemployables and support their illicit trade,
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TigerM

guys lets learn to read and understand before jumping to our own varied conclusions #use it dont use it#

Anyways its always great to get moral activists blood in this forum pumping fast, I dont support illegal activities

good morning
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RobinH

FLemza: Have you escaped from Roswell, dude? Aliens should be quarantined.

Hiya Mellow. The loonies are out early today.
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somaartakeit

@RobinH
TIger. There is a distinct possibility, But either way, with respect, I am a full-blooded male with all the urges and all, but I find the notion of porn disgusting. Assumption, maybe, but a very reasonable one.
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I often say, generation of men before this were well bred hence you know there is nothing amusing or funny or even remotely entertaining about doing and watching pornographic material,
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Sifebe

I need a copy of the movie
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RobinH

Tiger and Danger: Whatever, guys. I prefer to avoid people who are happy with such stuff. Have a good day.
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Sugaar

I can't see any problem bcause those kids were not forced or kidnaped.
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cattoncrew

TigerM is right ppl must just mind their fucken business, this couple are making money and the so called FPB are just mad cause they get nothing, besides everybody gets paid at the end of the day without robbing anyone.
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somaartakeit

@Cattoncrew just reading comments on this thread from guys like you, I can now understand how we ended up with a president who is morally bankrupt, you must be anc supporter? you don't see anything wrong with using SCHOOL CHILDREN (forced or not) to film pornography? is it any wonder tax payers have to fork out for teen moms? I wish ppl like you would use their brains before you dazzle us with your ignorance, and in addition to this which you support, as you claim these ppl are making money, are they paying tax for such? cause really their contribution (tax) would go a long way towards enable their 'porn stars' aids medication cause most ppl in this industry end up with aids or other STD's and as in this case many have no health insurance, so tax payers who earned a decent living have to fork out for their arvs and other std meds and BS I strongly disagree with.
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WarrenG

Pornography is not illegal in SA. As long as the girls are 18 right? But running business from many complexes is against rules of the body corporate. The most they can get is a warning. Haven't broken major laws. Unless the 'actors were under age. Then they must go to jail without passing begin!
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mopediTwiiiiii1988

'''schoolgirls''', its just boring to see people still using young girls as sex actors, serious action have to be taken to people like this,glad they were evicted.
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somaartakeit

@WarrenG, whilst pornography is not illegal, but today SA is grappling with aids and this industry is rife with such, do we really need explode our aids statistics? can SA afford endless supplies of ARV's? please ppl think.
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imbabazane

Once again, we want to treat the symptoms....not the real illness.

Assuming that some of these girls are indeed of school going age, what is that saying about their families? Doesn't the porn industry attract social deviants anyway? meaning that these girls were already messed up?

But alas, paint them (And their obviously lousy Parents) as victims...then, evoila...we all feel better about ourselves.

I say lock up the Movie makers, and lambast the Parents...infact, if you were to follow up on some of them, there could be abuse stories from home.
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somaartakeit

@Imbabazane so true that, hence it must outrage all of us, that there is such an activity in a residential area where children can easily fall victims (of sex crime) to deviants soliciting this activities in this community, I say bring back death penalty whenever sex crime affects children, the movie makers deserve the harshest sentence there ever is, you know there was a report few years ago in Berea about a house where they used to stuff like this, a young child daughter of a woman (single mom) was infected with aids, hence I ask why do we SAns not embarking on preventative measures, ie prevent more young women from being infected with this deadly virus, as you know unhealthy mothers produce unhealthy children, can SA's health system afford this? can tax payers afford to fund more arvs for situations which should have been prevented?
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TigerM

somaartakeit is somaarstupid maan, now where does the anc come in the picture???

this blog needs rules for argument, first get the facts rite before jumping into a tirade!!!!

PEACE!!!!
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somaartakeit

oh Tiger it has a lot to do with the fact that the anc president is known first as a sex predator there is a victim in exile to attest to that, now sit down and think how you as a SAn male would contribute to changing the horrid sex crime stats which depicts SA as the sex violence of the world.
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imbabazane

@ somaartakeit

No, we can't forever treat parents as victims, like I said...these girls must have been messed up already. Now why are they messed up...whose fault is that?
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somaartakeit

IF we were lead by principled leaders with morals, ordinary citizens would think 2's before embarking on sex predatory adventures with young children, that is my point, and all of you would agree with me that zuma (anc president) is not an exemplary leader when it comes to morals, so I blame the anc regime for moral decay in SA, we are without leaders just predators and vultures masquerading as leaders, we are a vulnerable nation, our children by the time they reach adulthood they would have fallen prey to sex predators at least 1's in their lifetime the UN report said.
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TigerM

who said im a male = see assumptions once again lol, lets stop blaming the president and the government for everything that goes wrong in our society, his also human being like us, not an angel, whom is prone ill behavior.

Nway did you watch Pirates this weekend???
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somaartakeit

@Imbabazane, if you read one of my posts, I said, 'my expectation of affected 'school girls' is that their parents will take LEGAL action against this couple, so I am not treating them as victims at all, in fact I expect them to rise to the table and be heros for their children who are being abused by the couple in question, failing which that would make them accomplice to this horrid crime.
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LordH

Danger,there is no gap in the porn market - it is already flooded.
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somaartakeit

@TigerM
who said im a male = see assumptions once again lol, (gender is neither here nor there) in this debate hence I didn't querry your reference to me as a male that was your assumption, *laughing back at you*


"lets stop blaming the president and the government for everything that goes wrong in our society, his also human being like us, not an angel, whom is prone ill behavior" NO we should never stop blaming the president, he sets bad precedence for the citizens, especially the ones without ability to know right from wrong. We should not have person like that paraded as a leader, I blame the anc.
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somaartakeit

ooh btw TigerM an not a footie fan, but I did watch paralympics Oscar did SA proud again, that boy is an inspiration and a greatest ambassador for our country.
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TigerM

somaar you sound like a Pieter Mulder type of guy now im making assumptions thanks to you dude hahahahahahahahahahaha
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somaartakeit

@TigerM @ least Mulder does not think sh0wer will rinse out aids, in that respect I'd much rather sound like him than the spear of the nation.
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WarrenG

@ somaartakeit
Ja I hear you. But if it ain't illegal, not much can be done unfortunately. And if they make porn illegal, it goes underground, which makes it seedier and dirtier.
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RobinH

Tiger: And who is making assumptions now?
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TigerM

u stating the obvious now Rob, and its made to be a joke as per the blog above, nway we seem to be slow in this blog i see (i include myself)
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RobinH

Tiger, ALas, stating the obvious is sometimes necessary for the IQ challenged among us.
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imbabazane

@ somaartakeit

What I am saying is, the parents should take the balme as well, Children who were raised properly regardless of poverty are least likely to go into porn.

Porn by its very nature attracts social deviants....so why are these children deviant already? is it not from lousy parenting?
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Shredder

@TigerM - TigerM
somaartakeit is somaarstupid maan, now where does the anc come in the picture???

@somaartakeit
I can now understand how we ended up with a president who is morally bankrupt, you must be anc supporter?
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TigerM, she does that always. I asked her the same question, why she always brings ANC in non-related articles. I was reading comments and impressed that she doesn't bring ANC into the article, guess what? I was wrong, she eventually did.
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somaartakeit

@WarrenG, its always illegal if you conduct an unregistered business, for the profit (and not paying tax) they make for sales of such pornographic material, they have contravened the tax laws as well, there are so many charges that can be brought against this 2 if our law enforcement agencies were sharp, but alas its going to be up to the NGO's to fight this sex predatory industry which would have flourished in the residential area had neighbours not intervened.
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somaartakeit

@Imbabazane, I wouldn't go as far as to say parents have contributed to the way these kids behaved, more than I think they are being lured with false sense of power/material possessions, and because they are young and gullible may not be aware of the health implications associated in this industry, the unemployed adults exploited them like sex predators they really are, what SA must never ever forget very quickly is guys like Adv. Barbie, the Haaroffs and various other sex predators, we as parents must at times to be vigilant for the sake of the safety of our children! this is my main issue here:-)
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

Per FPB spokesman Prince Mlimandlela Ndamase there's nothing wrong about the filming as long is done per FPB compliances,they can consutl FPB then let the tape rolls.
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Danielrjvvuren

Entrepreneurial as it might seem if you want to make adult entertainment there is a right way of doing it and the industry is governed by strict regulations. You can't just make such a thing for public viewing. If it is for say your private use then by all means make what you want with legally responsible adults that is, but here you have an unregulated distributor using minors for the business. I'm not against making these things, but do it right if you are going to really...
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imbabazane

@ somaartakeit

A Child coming from a good home is not easily lured into such activities....and also, I am afraid that by high school, every teenager knows the risks involved in such activities...so the "innocent ignorence" card is not gonna fly with me here. The Parents and the Kids themselves deserve repremand...iyona lento yokuba iPerpertual victim that is spoiling abantu.
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somaartakeit

Shredder
@TigerM - TigerM
somaartakeit is somaarstupid maan, now where does the anc come in the picture???

@somaartakeit
I can now understand how we ended up with a president who is morally bankrupt, you must be anc supporter?
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TigerM, she does that always. I asked her the same question, why she always brings ANC in non-related articles.
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Lets put things into perspective a little bit, anc has a morally bankrupt president whose sex life is most discussed than his activities as president of the country, and then SAns want to tell a girl like Khanyi to behave in a moral way when we have an immoral president, are our priorities screwed up that much as a nation? and you have a problem when I draw parallels to the country's moral decay to the type of leadership the country has? I am not responsible for your inability to have in-depth thinking and analysis as well as critical thinking skills. I say what has to be said, even when it makes many feel uncomfortable, the goal is make you lot as uncomfortable as possible so you can think about choices of leaders you elect, cause leaders behaviour influence thinking ways of those they lead.
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somaartakeit

@Imbabazane, many children incl the one that I mentioned earlier in this thread, who was infected with the virus in Berea, her mom did all that parents do for her children to be an upright citizens, alas as she was a single mom, the girl was lured into prostitution/porn making industry by need of material possessions, we live in the world where a measure of a success is material possessions one has, need I remind you that in SA there is a culture of dating sugar daddies, this culture is fueled by lust for material possessions, not necessarily bad parenting.
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Danger1985

Lets be honest porn, alcohol, drugs, violence, poverty are all the same evils the question is to what extent do u use such evils top your betterment or to the detriment of society,
SAB is selling alcohol and making profits have you complained on the effects it has on modern day society?
The Tobaccos Company is selling a great deal of cigaretts and how many pple die of strokess due to smoking have you complained?
The SA Govt hasnt dealt with poverty in modern day SA and they live well far better than the ordinary individual, aaah have you complained?
The last time I checked people complained and they were killed...hmmmm and here is a forum full of "holy individuals " trying to be a moral compass in modern day SA. My point is if they are not using under age children, and if they can adhere to the laws of the FBP let them film and make a living......if you dnt want your children to be involved in such then I suggest you start raising your child proper and away from these "evil"
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imbabazane

@ somaartakeit

Still, the girls must not be treated as some sort of victim, if this is an illegal activity...charge them as well, .

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somaartakeit

@Danger1985, SAB is a legal business which pays tax which contributes to the development of amongst other social benefiting activities, development of infrastructure, I understand they also are big sponsors of sports which contributes to social development, so how can you liken this to drugs and other anti social activities?

As for tobacco companies, its a choice to smoke knowing full well health consequences which are clearly highlighted on the cigarettes boxes,

You should not make your argument to sound as if those against this porn filming (IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA) are prudes, we are concerned for the SAFETY of the children involved as well possible harm to children living in such communities,

these ppl must register their business and conduct it in area designated for such, then there will be no complaints, unless of cause of their so called stars are underage children. This is what the whole issue is about, let me summarize, locality of the business, registration, contributing to tax as expected with ALL other legal businesses.
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somaartakeit

@Imbabazane, personally I think before their ages are disclosed, we shld treat this potentially as they are victims, but if they are of age, they definitely must be charged for their part in participating in an illegal activity, they must further be kicked out of school to prevent them from corrupting young children, cause clearly participating in pornographic stuff makes them adults who shouldn't be in school with young children.
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Danger1985

@ somaartakeit: if your bone of contention is purely locality of the business, registration, contributing to tax then I can safely say we are on the same wavelength

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Danielrjvvuren

Kids or high school kids... Not kids? Deviants? Know what they are getting themselves into. I mean come on we had some sexytime when we where in school... We didn't record it, but we have had our fun? It's not right that they used minors, but can blame be taken away fully from this minor if she is say above 16? You know what porn is and how its made can we blame just the producers or does she, the deviant, have some blame in it?
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sabza007

@Tiger and Danger 1985

Your blogger names describes your life indeed.For the fact that no one was hurt or they were not robbing anyone doesn't make it OK. I believe this couple should charged as well under Film and Publication Board laws. Some parents are trying to instill discipline in their children and this couple is instilling lust-fullness, misbehaving and love of money to these youngsters. Its wrong.
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somaartakeit

Yes Danielrjvuren, you had sex time but with kids your age not adults, and if we are going to allow porn film makers to use school kids then we might as well allow teachers to sleep with school children then we can be a proper screwed up country.
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somaartakeit

@Danger1985 and in addition to that, they must be regulated, ie health of the workers as you can imagine SA is already bursting at seams with aids and other sexually transmitted diseases which will result in an unnecessary strain our meager health resources and to already overburdened tax payers who must fork out for such.

Yes I want them registered, tax paying, regulated, complying with health and safety rules as expected from an employer I also expect them to fork out for medical care of their employees.
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Danielrjvvuren

Can't comment... For some reason the censorship program doesn't like me?
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
Yes I @gree, but the questi0n remains if she went there with the intent to make a film and knew what it ent@ils can we say she is inn0cent in the m@tter?
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Kaylae

MAKING AN HONEST LIVING BY PRODUCING NONSENSE AND NOTGAL WITH SCHOOL KIDS
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Danger1985

Sabza007 its inappropriate to judge an individual by his/her name.Well yes maybe they should be charged ubder the FPB as they are not registered and located in the right "area" or for what ever reason you deem what they did to be illeagal...but Sabz007 qstn. if they are promoting lustfullness are you also complaining/lobbying against what we see on tv from the advertisement to the actual films that we see.have you ever noticed the subtle messages that are on the adds that you see...whether its an anglo add telling you how they helped miners to get homes and shares...and 99% of the workers are black & yiur child is watching that and at the back of his head he thinks its good to be a miner who knows I will get shares...do u complain abt vuyo and hansa...
hmmmm and on top of that you say some "parents are trying" were on earth do you try to instill...you dnt try dear you simply instill proper values to your children from a tender age
nwes as it is let them be charged and good luck in "tyrin to instill values" and raising a morally upright society coz yeah u are in it for the long haul aaaah priceless
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SERAGA-MATUTE

I should apply for this job.
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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren
somaartakeit
Yes I @gree, but the questi0n remains if she went there with the intent to make a film and knew what it ent@ils can we say she is inn0cent in the m@tter?
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Depends of the ages of these so called school girls, but what I want to emphasis on is that these adults manipulated these naive girls into participating in this sordid event, we must not ever forget that ppl like these are the stuff Adv. Barbie the Haaroffs and co are made of, we as parents, citizens we must not rest until we have purged all deviants in our communities, of course the girls are not entirely honest but fact remains they were manipulated by deviant adults who seek to exploit their youthfulness, so I place 90% of the blame to the porn film makers, the rest to the parents and the girls and the schools if such activities occurred during school hours, why didn't the school query with parents absence of these girls?
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SERAGA-MATUTE

jwale gona kea bona gore Sowetan e bala ke batho bago se tsebe sekgowa just like Daily sun. ke mang arileng school kids were used?
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
Simply put schools don't care. There is no such thing as comradery anymore. I just can not get it passed myself that a girl will fall for a ploy and she is not aware of what porn is. What short of halfwit are you to go uncoerced willingly and not know what you are doing? Yes what the people did is wrong to use a school girl, but I can not retract blame from this girl. Regardless of her age is she is above 14 she knows whats ponting and can not be left out. She must go do some hard labour or community service at an open door or something to open her eyes. I just think it is stupid of her is all.
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Danger1985

Pop Quizz:
An athlete like Caster uses her limbs/legs to run fast:and she gets paid
A soccer player like Tshabalala uses his dribbling skills and he gets paid
A truck drivers uses legs and eyesight: and he gets paid
An engineer uses his brains: and gets paid
A model uses her looks and body...and gets paid
A politician uses charisma and ability to lie: and gets paid
what then is wrong with some one using their skills and body to GET PAID
DNT HIT ME with the morality clause please
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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren, I don't think the girls in question don't know what 'porn' entails, more than sex deviants always prey on the weak and vulnerable, hence I said they were manipulated by the adults, and this is what needs to be addressed, thankfully the neighbours in this community do not tolerate criminality, kudus to them for standing up against this, if more neighborhood were as this one, SA would be a wonderful place to live in,
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somaartakeit

And furthermore I would like to suggest that men (as main consumers) of pornographic materials, to think cause women involved in this industry are usually vulnerable drug addicts who are forced/or blackmailed into being sex slaves, there are documentaries upon documentaries over the bad situation surrounding porn/prostitution business, think about would you like it if the person in the video was you mother/sister/daughter/aunt or niece entertain male clients? by consuming porn and prostitution you are supporting human trafficking cause many women in this industry are doing this against their will, there are documentaries to this effect please don't feign ignorant to this abuse which by your consuming this material you support, and more often than not, it starts with porn depicting adults then it graduates to child porn,
I am not saying we should all be nuns and Roman Catholic priests, but I am saying each of us can make a stand against sex deviants who prey on the most vulnerable in our communities,
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Danger1985

@ Somaa u raise very valid points though you are being one sided to a certain extent. Is it not fait to say that there has been intergenerational poverty since the days of colonialism when a great deal; of people lost their means and moeds of production. This hasnt been addressed to date and many people are wallowing in poverty and have resorted to crime as theuy dont have the means to access good schools, they cant afford tertiary education and they cant get good jobs . Likewise some have resorted to prostitution, crime and the new budding professions of porn, as they have to make ends meet. I would say we should adress the root cause of the problem, why is there human traficking and how can it be curtailed...yuo are saying as men we should mop and leave the tap running...well the difference is the same, if not far worse. Ina nother countries its well regulated why cant we do the same?ohh u know why because we have history that no one wants top talk about and again ....aaaaah priceless
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9janavy

Parents in this country need to review how they are raising their kids.I have seen children as young as 5 wearing mini skirts and inappropriate clothing.When you question the parents and ask them why do they buy such clothes for their children ,they will tell you it is fashion.It is this kind of children who become wayward in future.

You will see parents who allow and even encourage their 7 year old to have boyfriends.These youngster now think having a boyfriend and having sex if cool at their age.Where are those African values that our forefathers installed in us? We have become too Americanized to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong.

The parents in SA are to blame especially those who laugh at religion.Yes religion is not perfect but in most cases it helps to shape decent individuals.You will be had pressed to find a child raised in a strict Christian or Muslim home engaging in alcohol ,sex and drugs at a young age.

Values people ,values ! where are our values? Today atheists like the kardashians, hiltons,britney spears are the role models to our youngsters.What does that say about our society? We Africans have lost it completely ,we are copy cats who prefer to pretend to be westerners instead of preserving our good cultures and values as well as theirs.
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somaartakeit

@Danger1995 I have always said that, poverty breeds violence, prostitution and other social ills hence I charge anc regime with incompetence, cause there is no reason that many in SA wallow in poverty given that SA economy escaped the world economic down turn, zuma said we were 'coushened' so why has the gov failed to produce jobs and minimise risk of ppl participating in criminal activities to boost their economic situations? where is the SAn tax payers money gone which should have been used to advance our infrastructure which would in turn create jobs and reduce poverty and eventually reduce potential criminality? I don't buy into the colonialism excuse, cause most countries at some stage or another have been colonised but once such rule ended such countries advanced themselves, eg former East block countries their economies are improving with Poland's economy growing at 6% through this world economic down turn, so what's stopping the ball from rolling in SA? or we are going to exhaust all excuses such colonialism and apartheid and God knows what else to justify why we failed as a country in spite all possibilities we have?
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somaartakeit

@9janavy
Parents in this country need to review how they are raising their kids.I have seen children as young as 5 wearing mini skirts and inappropriate clothing.When you question the parents and ask them why do they buy such clothes for their children ,they will tell you it is fashion.It is this kind of children who become wayward in future.

You will see parents who allow and even encourage their 7 year old to have boyfriends
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So are you saying that dress code (mini) is the basis of the sex predatory disease afflicting SA? And like zuma you blame girl children's dress code, what about men who consume this service ie porn and prostitution? when I read comments like yours I realise how sad it is to be a girl in Africa. Instead of dealing with social issues afflicting us as ppl you chose to blame the problem to the girl child's dress code?

And btw this claim about mini causing rape or destruction of social norms is false, considering that African dress code (tradition) for young girls is mini (straw skirts) have you not watched traditional reed dance or virginity testing ceremonies both in SA and Swaziland? I challenge you to think outside your macho-male induced box and stop blaming girl children for male sex deviants behaviour, because even when we disagree on this issue I still need to be able to respect you.
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somaartakeit

And IF (God forbid) there are parents encouraging children as young as 7 (as suggested in your post) to have sex then you must know that those parents are criminals who are breaking laws of SAs cause age for consensual sex is clearly stipulated in our constitution, and anyone encouraging sex with a minor is liable for statutory rape should such conduct take place,so I call upon you to report such criminal parents whose children are engaging in sexual acts at age 7,
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
Porn has become norm. Do you have any sons? Bet you they have porn on their phones. The proper industry is regulated well and the girls are well looked after. Just because some do stupid things doesn't say that the entire industry is wrong. Yes what they have done is wrong, but the girl should know better. My 14 year old sister knows better how can this girl not?
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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren, I am not saying that ppl will not use porn or services of prostitutes but I am asking that as consumers they be conscientious consumers, ie they must think about consequences iro social norms devastation by their supporting/consuming such a service, eg you as a human being and male are against human trafficking and slavery? if yes why wld you then support/consume services which have a direct link to what you are against?
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
No I understand what you're saying and I agree and I don't want to make it out as if it is nothing, but the girl must also be held accountable for her actions. Make her work at a place that helps rape victims or something she can not go off fre.e.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren, at no point since I started commenting did I say the girls are blameless, but I said majority of the blame lies with the adults who manipulated their vulnerability and lured them into this business, I also said, their parents (if these girls are found to be underage) must rise to the occasion by instituting legal action against these sex deviants, least they risk being accused of being accomplices to this sordid act, I am saying SAn parents must be heros for their children otherwise our children will be looking for idols and heros elsewhere, how a parent can be hero for his or her child is by standing up against adults who seek to exploit our children's vulnerabilities, the neighbours started the ball rolling...an d for that I tip my hat off to them for being responsible neighbours,

you also said your 14yr old sister knows not to get involved with this stuff, which is a good thing it shows good solid ground and supportive family that you are, but 8mil SAn children aren't that lucky, the UN puts the number to 8mil of children who had to fend for themselves, which makes our country most vulnerable to sex predators looking to exploit vulnerable children, can you at least try understand why I am outraged by this?
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The-Vince

The arrested porn stars should go to jail, not the movie maker.....why? its the new law in Mzansi where by the innocent are charged for crimes they did not commit: (doing it the marikana style)
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somaartakeit

@The-Vince
Obvious the arrested pair is Nigerian.
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that's not a clever thing to say, considering that Nigerians are a minority in this country, so what are the rest of us SAns doing if supposing the Nigerians are doing these things to us and our children? We as SAns are more guilty for neglecting our children thus putting them in the hands of ppl who manipulate and abuse them, so don't try to absolve us of guilty for not doing what's right for this country and the children in this country by blaming NIgerians.
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit

Do you know where your kids are every min of every day? You can't see and know what they are doing 24/7. Its an impossibility and yes parents should do something about it but what more can they do than telling their kids about the dangers? I come from a non-smoking family and I was warned about smoking, hell I had cancer, but it didn't stop me from smoking for 10 years. Children do stupid stuff and the only way this child will learn is if she has to suffer the consequences.

We didn't tell my sister about the dangers she just knows. How can she know out of pure instinct and this girl seems to not? This story to me just lacks facts is all. Yes these deviants are sick and perverted and yes they must be booked for their crimes, but something tells me the girl wasn't all that coerced into it but went freely and knowingly. How many times must she be filmed before she realizes something is wrong and if she was a ethical citizen she would of brought it to light the moment it happened. Something isn't right here?
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Decibels

it's a pity I'm running low on gas...otherwise I was gonna join the N3.
woza eDurban.....
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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren parents send kids to school, right? then at the end of the day parents check kids school work/progress or lack thereof with view to support? also school is supposed to report absenteeism to parents to prevent possibility where kids who are absent cld be kidnapped or murdered or something like that, I say the school is irresponsible for its failure to inform parents of the girls for absenteeism, I also say the parents now that they know their children are porn stars must prevail.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

Honestly, this is no new news. And there's definitely no need to be getting all emotional and breaking down what child porno is. The headline blows this out of proportion as its all based on unreliable hearsay from individuals (neighbours) moral scale and not necessarily fact/ reality. Anyway, my reaction to this is of a holistic perspective and the (negative) influence that the media had on this issue.

The issue is that the "authorities" - SAPS, DoJ, Hawks, FPB, SARS - dont have a firm handle on the porn industry. Anyone under the sun can make a porno and distribute it, hell I have it on my phone. All they shouldve done her was, instead of evicting this couple, to investigate this operation to determine/ obtain/ perform the following:
1. Identify who the couple are and if they have any priors relating to child porno, human trafficking, drug related offences, etc.
2. Do the same for the film crew
3. Identify the models/actors and determine names, ages, and prior sexual and drug related offences
4. Determine how they "source" their "stock", e.g. newsapaper ads/ social media, Project X parties etc.
5. Identify their distributors, surely this couple cannot be their only supplier.
6. Also get SARS to swoop in and do their own investigations to determine revenue and proceeds that they make through this and in the process crackdown the WHOLE ring!

They can use the outcomes of this investigation as a benchmark to crackdown similar incidents.

Coming to my main issue >>>> The media!!!

The media has this "urge" to want to "break the story first"!! In cases like these it becomes a nuisance and stalls real progress in regulating and monitoring the pron industry/.

If the media had worked with the authorities on this one, considering all the above (1-6) , they couldve lead with a better story with a constructive outcome.

Now, wouldnt it have been AWESOME if the headline/story read
"Illegal porn ring in excess of Rxx mil bust! and further arrests made relating to human trafficking, child porn
and drug related crimes" ???????
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
I can't comment for all schools, but if you where spotted on school grounds and left our school would come looking for you at home at pavilion even go as far as gateway to find you and drag you back to school, but you find again that there are only so many staff in school and if you drop your kids off you think they at school and when they not there the school thinks they sick. The system is flawed. The parents must give the utmost punishment to this girl. Things could of been much worse for her.
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somaartakeit

@Vince actually Nigerians are amartures on the drugs trafficking stakes, look at the guys in Colombia/Mexico/Jamaica/Vezuella/Brazil from these guys Nigerians will come second best,

The problem that SA is becoming attractive to drug lords and other criminals is bcoz these are taking advantage of our incompetent justice system, instead of blame them blame the regime which makes it easier for them to push their trade here through its laxed laws, also blame the gov for reducing our ppl into potential criminals by dunking them into a pool of poverty, poverty breeds crime, this is a fact.
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Danielrjvvuren

Sophisticated_Ignorance
I agree. Good analysis of the situation hey. The situation has many facets that need to be spoken about, but our system has always been on the responsibility side and not so much on the responsive side. We need a reaction plan not a reaction plan is what I'm getting from you?
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Danielrjvvuren

haha let me rephrase that last sentence... We need an reactive plan not a reaction plan. Crack down before it happens...
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somaartakeit

@Danielrjvvuren this is the thing the schools are failing the children and the parents are allowing them to get away with it, to the detriment of the kids, also the ministers in educ are really inspirational to the teachers,so what the kids do during school hours when they should be at school is a symptom of a huge culture of neglect one's responsibilities,
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Winilen

My good ppl porn will never be an acceptable thing espacially to us africans... yes we are xpose 2 it now but let do our best to protect our children them from it. Parents need to be good role models to their childrens, no use blaming the government or the society. Parents need to take responsibility for the action of their own children, we see lot of rapes because kids are not educated abt sex & parents are xpecting schools, other children & porn movies to do that.

@somaartakeit
I hear your arguments bt most of them I blv they are derive by ur hatered of ANC & Zuma. We cant blame every wrong doing by sick ppl on government. How is Zuma goin to stop porn makers & rapes if ppl were not brought out right... we hear a 10 yr old has raped how is Zuma going to solve that unless parents aducate their children.
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Danger1985

@ Sommaa so u missing the point just a little bit, the starting point is addressing the problems caused by apartheid....thats the starting point and to do that it entails adressing decolonizing both the oppressor and the oppressed.Even if you go to a sycholokogist with your teenage child, they would look at how they went through their milestones of stages of development right to were they are. This also involves taking into account their environment and to what extent it influences who they are 2day...going back to the burning issue here hmmmm look can all thiose standing up against porn stop being hyprocritical and lobby against alcohol and stop buying SAB products, u get drunk and u become violent..can u also lobby against the tobacco companies as it also paves a way for drug use...lets stop being holier than thou...this eveil is not differnt 4rm wat I have lisedt above and if it can be regulated then why dont we let it be...let them get tested, let them use protection and let them make money and look after their families because the GVT has let then down...aaah priceless
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Danielrjvvuren

How did this become a political issue?
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Danielrjvvuren

Almost had me confused there then saw your correction, hahaha!!

Definitely a reactive plan! I read in a forum not so long ago about couple of states in the US taht have "cracked down" on such incidents and its working for them. Pity as SAns we get heated in argument over non issues and neglect the source and the overall impact on communities and our bottom line (economy) as a country!
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MorenaWaPolelo

This is shameful if they were using under age kids sies maan!!!
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Danielrjvvuren

Sophisticated_Ignorance

Well thats just it... we spoke about it in one of our lectures the other day our government is very responsible in the sense that when the sho0tings happened they where there instantly but they are not responsive in the sense that it should of never happened in the first place. We always have contingency plans for if it happens what must be done instead of let it never happen.
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somaartakeit

@Winilen don't misunderstand me, cause I am saying the gov is largely to blame, cause as you well know, women get into prostitution bcoz of mainly poverty secondly lack of morals, question we shld all be asking why was there this possibility for filming an illegal film with school kids, the filmers are jobless so they are doing illicit stuff to supplement income, at the very core of it, a vulnerable child is exploited, so naturally I blame that to the gov that ppl have to resort to crime to boost their economic position, why can't the gov realise that there is a direct link btwn crime and poverty? and ofcourse zuma is the head of hte gov, so why shouldn't he take the blame for poverty induced criminal event?

Please you should guard against using 'feelings' when you speak of me and politicians or political parties, the only relations I have with the gov/politicians is their responsibility to me as a citizens, I am under no obligation to like or hate them.
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mzansimafia

I dont see anything wrong by filming yourself
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somaartakeit

@Danger1985
@ Sommaa so u missing the point just a little bit, the starting point is addressing the problems caused by apartheid....thats the starting point and to do that it entails adressing decolonizing both the oppressor and the oppressed
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So? what's stopped the ball rolling for the past 18yrs?
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Danielrjvvuren

God guys this mxit language is very hard to comprehend and read. Can we keep things like that to a minimum?
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skwamasamabele

Danger & Tiger- we live in the 21st Century, not in the stone age. Defending the indefensible is futile, even to neanderthals and cavemen like you. Understand something from the story 'Residential Use' not industrial or commecial use. Why would you advocate for abuse of children and women, even if it was consensual? Pimping lead to rape nad sexual abuse, not that it would make any different to you two, dragging your women by their hair to your caves. Your comments take us men back a 1000 years.
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Winilen

@somaartakeit...Poverty, government & crime yes it is link, but not in all the cases cos you will found out ppl who do this crimes are filthy rich targeting the poor.
But my point i was tryin to raise let not blame government for every wrong thing that is happening we should look at ourselves too as parents, community etc, our country is dieyin but we busy pointin at gvrmnt for not acting...how may illegal sheebens in our townships & ppl continue to support them bt they know it illegal to oparate a liqour store without a license, are we gonna blame gvrnmnt...let start doing good 1st our self the white, indians are doin it y not us???

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somaartakeit

@Winilen well in this case the culprits are unemployed chances are the children they lured into this sordid mess are also from poor backgrounds, and their parents are prolly to busy gathering bread crumbs to try keep body and soul together whilst their children are being abused for pornographic/pr0stitution purposes, I blame the gov for failing to deploy social workers and nurses in schools, so they can evaluate health needs as well as nutritional needs of the kids, who now have to pr0stitute themselves in order to get some bread crumbs, I have also said here poverty reduces women/girl children into pr0stitution traffickers know this, hence we have all these foreign deviants coming to this country to prey on the vulnerable they also know that they can always bribe a gov official to make their criminal dockets disappear, hence I blame the anc regime for not doing enough for the vulnerable ppl in this country. Don't confuse this with me hating/liking them as you accuse me of in your other post, understand that I expect them to be accountable to the ppl of this country, to man up the border gates and prevent our nation from being vandalised by foreign criminals.
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MommaC

It is actually very scary that people who are (supposedly) educated enough to be on the internet, still feel that women are nothing more than a disposable item for their pleasure. It is also quite frightening that so many males (can't call them men) don't see that exploitation of women is wrong.

Yes, porn is legal in SA (can't blame apartheid for that) but the industry is REGULATED. That is to stop exploitation. You beef and cry about the 'poor' being exploited every time they cash their salary cheques but it is just fine to exploit women as they aren't really human anyhow.

Sickening
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somaartakeit

@MC it is sickening indeed that SA has such macho culture, where a victim is being blamed for situations happening to them especially if that victim is in skirts, the other one went as far as to say its the dress code from as young as 5-7 that is causing males to sexually lust and exploit women and children, I gasped for air after reading that but I had to compose myself and roll up my sleeves faced with reality that we have a long way still to go educating men that its not okay to consume services of prostitutes and pornography cause that reduces women and children into just consumables and disposables.

My opinion is that, these men condoning this behavious prolly do same to women and children in their immediate environments, its a long uphill battling for women in SA for their salvation with men with mentalities like these displayed here and this goofy president we have who always women's month to vandalise our souls.
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RobinH

MommaC: ANd those are the most arrogant and stubborn and self-righteous of the lot. Sickening.
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MommaC

somaartakeit
RobinH

Makes you wonder what kind of families they come from. I cannot see how a man can think that way about his mother, aunts, granny, sisters etc. Scary.
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Danger1985

After all is said and done...our children are beiong taught about sex education here in South Africa:
http://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/family/kids/sex-education-for-five-year-olds-1.1374731 in cape town aaaah priceless

some people just need to stop being over-righteous like hey have never committed sin, petty crimes aaaaah
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RobinH

MommaC: In South Africa we of all races have a starkly chauvinistic cultural background in which women until fairly recently have been almost universally considered 2nd class citizens. What we now have is a trifle worse. We now like to think that having established a wonderfully liberated contitution we can now sit back and pat ourselves on the back while merely paying lip-service to liberated thought while back home at the ranch attitudes remain largely unchanged. And this sad situation reigns not only in the domain of gender politics but seems to pervade our nation in general.
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somaartakeit

Hey Danger1985 I have NEVER committed sexual offense with a minor so I will be 'over-righteous- cause I am RIGHT, nxa and its weak of you to try drag cape town into this *SMH* this inferiority complex ppl like you have over Zille should really be managed cause you are embarrassing.
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MommaC

Danger1985

It doesn't say what they want to teach them.
I can remember in kindergarten being taught about not letting someone touch you anywhere that it made you feel uncomfortable - if that is what they are talking about then I can't see that being a bad thing.
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Mokwepa

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MommaC

RobinH

To a large degree, I blame us women for that. We should be teaching our sons and daughters better.

Amusingly, most men in Africa are poep scared of their mothers. Mommy says jump and they are half way in the air before the words are even out of her mouth :)
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Mokwepa

yerrrrr banna babakana?
i m changing to another article....bye bye
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RobinH

MommaC: Yip. That irony is interesting and perhaps explains why men then try to re-establish "control" after their perceived emasculation> Scared of mommy, so let's abuse our wives. That sort of thing.
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topdog009

Damn idiocraccy attacks excellence.... some serious poor reasoning form some bloggers, its a shocker to hear that in this time and age there are ppl who pardon such ludicrous and ashaming activies (porn). What happened to humanity? Sense of concern the world is falling apart somehow slowly but surely and bloggers condone this hidious act.Well well well....nnc nnc nnc ja neh!
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Dzel

Hi All,

MommaC

It is actually very scary that people who are (supposedly) educated enough to be on the internet, still feel that women are nothing more than a disposable item for their pleasure. It is also quite frightening that so many males (can't call them men) don't see that exploitation of women is wrong.
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You know I find this statement very ironic. When we debated the merits / demerits of legalizing prostitution the vast majority responded by saying; their body, their choice.

Same scenario slightly different facts, prostitution with an audience and now the poor women are being used as sex object and being exploited?

By the way the legal age of consent is 18 - not 16 - so that someone looks like a school kid does not mean they are below the age of consent and surely if one can consent they can decide if they want to be in the porn industry or not. Perhaps I am missing something here.


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Dzel

topdog009

Damn idiocraccy attacks excellence.... some serious poor reasoning form some bloggers, its a shocker to hear that in this time and age there are ppl who pardon such ludicrous and ashaming activies (porn). What happened to humanity? Sense of concern the world is falling apart somehow slowly but surely and bloggers condone this hidious act.Well well well....nnc nnc nnc ja neh!
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Why is porn shameful and ludicrous, in its purest form porn is filming two individuals engaged in sex. are we arguing that sex is "shameful and ludicrous".

Your views on prostitution?

Before people start thinking I support porn I don't, but I am also anti-prescription especially from people who support prostitution and miss the ironywhen opposing porn.
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MommaC

Dzel

I have always maintained that we SHOULD legalise prostitution. It will help to curb the ABUSE.

I have absolutely no problem with a grown woman making the decision to go into prostitution or into the porn industry. What I do have a problem with is some of the comments here which indicate that there should be no protection for those who do NOT want to but are forced to. Like those disgusting videos of rape - what kind of sick b@stard does that and how much sicker are the b@stards who watch it?

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DJ-Winner

This is not good.
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topdog009

@ Dzel....irrelevent to this topic heres my view

isnt 3rd a crowd? It makes sense to me if 2 consenting adult are engaged in intercourse ...I REPEAT INTERCOURSE.... But 3rd party? Hell No....Then theres law against that crap.

Back to the topic....I still say porn is a shameful and ludicrous activity...I dont like it and never did.
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topdog009

@Dzel....imagine at 90 sharing with your granchildren what you did for a living...Damn
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MommaC

I have always maintained that we SHOULD legalise prostitution. It will help to curb the ABUSE.

I have absolutely no problem with a grown woman making the decision to go into prostitution or into the porn industry. What I do have a problem with is some of the comments here which indicate that there should be no protection for those who do NOT want to but are forced to.
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But we have laws that govern child porn and if the said couple are suspected of using under age kids they should be prosecuted accordingly but I also think the words "some as young as school girls" to mean underage which I don't think is the case.

You did say mention the exploitation of women, doesn't prostitution amount to an exploitation of sorts. I'll be honest with you, I think prostitution should be banned because it diminishes one's worth in society and is self-destructive on so many levels it cannot be right.

We also have to look at the psyche of porn stars I think, there is something off about a person who willingly lets themselves to be the subject of jerk-off sessions. Shouldn't we blame the porn artists themselves for allowing themselves to be devalued like that.

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Dzel

..... so only children should be protected from exploitation in the sex industry?

Would you say that the prostitutes in the Playboy mansion are being exploited by Hugh Hefner or would you say that Hugh is being exploited by the prostitutes?

It is not something that I could do (unless my children's lives depended on it) but I'm not going to go all holy joe and start sitting in judgement of them all. As long as they are all happy with their life choices and they are mentally and physically able to make those choices, it is up to them how they want to screw their lives up.
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Dzel

I'll play devil's advocate on this one.

It is still two people having sex - their bodies, their tools, their reputation - playing to an audience.

Don't you think you are imposing your views on others, if the people involved don't mind why should you?

Then there is the issue of our Constitution guaranteeing that everyone has a right to trade; some us their brains, some their hands, feet etc to make money. Why should prostitutes be discriminated against if they want to use their god-given money makers?

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Winilen

@Dzel... it not always two ppl sum =times it 4 guys one lady & that alone encourages gang rape...if it were just two ppl i will have understand.
As good book(Bible) state no sex before marriage, the same should apply to porn... children should not be xposed to porn but must be educated abt sex.
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topdog009

We know that when it comes to our constitution a few wording here and there has to be omitted with some views incorporated.
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9janavy

@somaartakeit - The empahsis of my commnent was not about old women's outfits but more about what some parents allow their young children to wear.You can not seriously say it is okay to dress a five year old in inappropriate clothes all for the sake of fashion? Secondly you can not use the reed dance as a fair point of comparison to intentional child nudity.

The reed dance is a traditional/cultural practice which is carried out in a controlled environment.This is not the same as children under the age of ten dressing up like a party "animals" in the city.I am not saying the clothing give predators a right to attack young girls,i am saying that as parents we must not encourage our kids to dress or behave in an inappropriate manner.We must be in control and raise them to be decent.

We live in a society where there are a lot of social problems ,as parents it is our duty to shield our children from all these problems.That means raising them up with good morals e.g appropriate dress code,appropriate language and appropriate behaviors.

If we do not instill the right morals in our kids they will be easily swept away by peer pressure.That is exactly where the problem lies.If the child does not have any directions from his/her parents ,he or she will follow his or her friend's direction which 96% of the time is the wrong direction.

Why do some kids do drugs and others don't? The secret is in good parenting.I remember when i was in high school and many of my friends were doing dagga and drinking alcohol.I was pressurized by friends to try it but because of my parents' stern warnings and guidance i never tried both and till these day ,i don't smoke nor do i drink.If my father never bothered to warn me before hand about the consequences of such actions ,i may not have turned out the way i did today.Our kids are not our friends ,they are kids and it is our responsibility to keep it that way.Children should be brought up to have good morals and stay away from wayward friends,this will ensure that they don'y mix with the wrong group and get pressurized to do things they will not be proud of after.


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somaartakeit

@Winilen the proof that porn encourages rape and even gangrape we can all look to the time when porn was illegal in SA, men respected women bodies back then now they are vulgarising women's bodies, so I'd go with the notion that it shouldn't be illegal, if it has to be legal cause there are unfortunately too much perverts then it must be regulated, to prevent children being drawn into this, prevent human trafficking, to ensure health care of workers in the industry as well as protection from police.
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rraselepe

did u say porn i would like to be a porn star myself but i dont do school kids nor under aged women no thats not my style
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9janavy

somaartakeit - My initial comment was not from a "macho-male' point of view ,it was from an African Father's point of view.My kids are being raised the way i was raised by my parents.That means:

They must dress well and try to be clean at all times,
They must speak well and avoid using slangs
No smoking or drinking allowed under my roof
Everything they watch on tv is being monitored and some channels are password locked
They number of parties they are allowed to attend is limited
They must be at Sunday school every Sunday
Homework must be done before 7 P.M
They must be in bed before 8:30 P.M
All elders are referred to as Mr,Mrs, Uncle, Aunt e.t.c as it in my culture
All women and men are to be respected
Humility is a must

e.t.c

My dad was in the military and i am an ex-serviceman myself so my kids are being raised in a military drill mixed with African and christian values kind of way.You get one chance to raise your kids so if you get it wrong they turn out bad.I am not willing to take that chance.
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MSG_S

Sugaar
I can't see any problem bcause those kids were not forced or kidnaped
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Could be some of the ladies are your sisters or your brothers' kids. You certainly dont have kids of your own. To me, things look like you are porn addicted.
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Danger1985

@ somaartakeit, the article I posted was simply sharing that children are being taught on sex education, I didnt take a swipe at you in particular as I have no personal vendettas against you.If you were offended well I apologize...
Its an open forum and we have every right to disagree based on our cultural differences, race, educational background, moral beliefs and (socialization in nutshell) as lonmg as we share them in an appropriate manner...however my you kindly elaborate on:

"this inferiority complex ppl like you have over Zille should really be managed cause you are embarrassing"

I didnt say anything about Zille if at all some of posts have been critical of the ANC GVT and adressing poverty...
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somaartakeit

@9Naija, I get so so bored with men like you trying to prescribe to woman their dress code, haven't you guys got hobbies or something to interesting and exciting that you can occupy your controlling selves with?

Secondly there is no parent who wld deliberately dress their children in a way that could put them in harms way (fall prey to sexual predators) this claim is false and insulting that you wld want to blame minors for perverted view males have on them.

Also African cultures dictate that an adult shall not look at a person perceived to be a child in a sexual way, so how do you as an African come off by blaming a child for beign dressed in a sexually provocative way?

Me thinks this over watching pornography is getting into the way fo common sense, well reasoned and basic values and common decency now you want to blame children for being dressed like party animals? what a sad thing to say, I hope you don't have children of your own.
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MSG_S

I wouldn't be suprised if these people hiring the girls for porno shoot are in their late 50s to early 60s of age.
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somaartakeit

@9janavy
somaartakeit - My initial comment was not from a "macho-male' point of view ,it was from an African Father's point of view.My kids are being raised the way i was raised by my parents.That means:
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believe me 9janavy most parents in SA are sexually conservative and most parents want the best for their children as such would not deliberately as you suggested 'dress their kids as if they were party animals, its beyond the kids and parents control that we have perverts who see their bodies as sex objects, so lets lay the blame where it belongs and that's not with the kids its with the molesters and myriad of other perverts parades as leaders and it is these ppl's behaviour which makes parenting such an impossible task.
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MommaC

9janavy

If you really think that dressing your daughters like Victorian old maids is going to prevent them from rebelling then you are in for a nasty shock
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Dzel

Winilen

@Dzel... it not always two ppl sum =times it 4 guys one lady & that alone encourages gang rape...if it were just two ppl i will have understand.
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Your thoughts on violence on our screen on a daily basis, guns are a common feature so using this logic I'd say content that is freely available without age restriction and shown during prime time promotes violence and crime.

Have you ever complained to SABC or DSTV?

I am sorry but I don't buy this line considering what we are subjected to on national TV, at least porn is not on a public platform.


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Dzel

topdog009

We know that when it comes to our constitution a few wording here and there has to be omitted with some views incorporated.
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So you think those who want not be in the sex industry should not be allowed to use their assets to earn a living because it makes YOU feel uncomfortable?

Give me a compelling argument why sex work should be outlawed and no religion is not an excuse.

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Dzel

MommaC

If you really think that dressing your daughters like Victorian old maids is going to prevent them from rebelling then you are in for a nasty shock
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I agree with 9janavy, the was some parents dress their kids is shameful. A ten year old has no business applying make-up, having hair extensions or wearing skimpy outfits. I say this not because I am a chauvinistic but because a child has to be a child until they are sexually matured enough to wear sexually suggestive clothing, these days kids are "sexualised" (for a lack of a better term) way too early and parents are to blame in most cases.


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Dzel

somaartakeit

believe me 9janavy most parents in SA are sexually conservative and most parents want the best for their children as such would not deliberately as you suggested 'dress their kids as if they were party animals, its beyond the kids and parents control that we have perverts who see their bodies as sex objects
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I disagree, I have seen enough kids being dressed like they can turn a trick or two. I often wonder if the mother uphile kahle la ekhanda.

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MommaC

Dzel

I agree that some of these parents are OTT with their kid's outfits but dressing them in conservative outfits is no guarantee that they won't go wild and wilful once they reach their teens either.
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somaartakeit

my last question to all males who espouse these macho and chauvinistic views about women and their dress code (mini skirts), if you can't manage your urges when you see women wearing mini skirts, how can we then trust you with managing intensive issues which requires discipline and self restraint?

@MC the dress code issue is an excuse, cause in SA elderly women who are not wearing mini skirts have also been reported to having been raped, my belief is that, these men have no ability to self restrain their sexual urges, they are animals who are without any ability to take responsibility for their actions now they want to blame women and children. It makes me sick in my stomach actually.
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Danielrjvvuren

somaartakeit
I don't really think of girls in anyway so I'm down for what ever they really want to wear....
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somaartakeit

@Dzel what age group were the kids that you saw? I insist that there is no parents who will deliberately dress their children in the way you or the 9Naijanavy describe, if that wld put them in harms way (ie falling prey to sex predators) and in any-case, how is it possible for a grown adult to look at a child's body which is under developed in a sexual way to concl that a dress code of a child makes them look like they cld turn a trick or 2? please take me through the stages cause I have never had this view on a minor their bodies are too me too under developed to even imagine them in a sexual way, I am talking 16yr old and below.
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MommaC

somaartakeit

If a little girl runs around completely barearsed naked it should not be viewed as some kind of sexual come-on. I cannot for the life of me understand how a grownassed man can look at a little girl and think of sex. It is just nauseating.

ITS A DRESS, NOT A YES.
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MommaC

somaartakeit

Maybe they have been watching those crazy Americans on Toddlers and Tiaras - talk about a paedophile's wet dream. It is actually disgusting the way those mothers tart their babies up
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Dzel

MommaC

I agree that some of these parents are OTT with their kid's outfits but dressing them in conservative outfits is no guarantee that they won't go wild and wilful once they reach their teens either.
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No it is not, the trick is to make the child appreciate that she is treated as she presents herself in public. If a woman is dress in such a manner that says, "I'm open for business" then my view is you should not complain when treated as such. If your dress code says I am easy - i.e. cleavage and skirts long enough to hide the goodies - then how do you turn back and complain when someone treats you like an easy lay.

It is well enough to argue restraint but how about self-restraint and self-respect from women? some feminists like somaar miss the point completely, I suppose it is easier to blame male pigs, right. How do you argue that women have a right to look like they belong in a Hillbrow Street corner and then complain when men threats her like a sex object?

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Dzel

Somaar,

Very young, 10 and younger.

Look at how some Diana Ross’s – young, single, “independent” and look like a black Barbie doll complete with fake hair with locks plus these days we have black blondes, brunettes, etc – dress their kids. I am sorry to say this but if the vast majority of women miss the point that fake hair makes one pretentious and indicate white envy do you understand the very same people to understand that dressing your kids provocatively is wrong?

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somaartakeit

@Dzel funnily enough, women never complain about men's dress code, what is it with men that they feel the need to prescribe women's dress code? some men dressed up in appropriate, ie tight shirts that shows out their bulges and tight pants which makes them look like stuffed sausages do you see women making a song and dance about this? you guys really for the love of God, get yourselves some hobbies or something exciting and interesting to do, instead of whinging about dress code of women and children, funnily enough, this kind of discussion is only here in Africa, I have not had this kind of discussion with any of my colleagues abroad, just WTH is wrong with you guys? you can't blame woman or a child's dress code for the behaviour of perverts, these perverts who also perv on elderly women break down their homes and rape them, it is definitely not about dress code its about morals and principles (or lack thereof) and ability to self restrain.
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topdog009

@ Dzel

So you think those who want not be in the sex industry should not be allowed to use their assets to earn a living because it makes YOU feel uncomfortable?... The answer is Yep...it makes ME uncofortable
and Yep again it makes the rest of the under age starting from 18yrs down extremely uncofortable...says who? Says ME so... eish you also said not to bring in religious opinion into this neh...inzima ke manje lento.

Let me ask you, if you were to see a female figure down the street with her skirt raised high up in the air, would you reckon they normal?

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Winilen

We live in a world in which lot of standards have been droped so low in order to accomodate the rich & famous, yet still we cant live up to those standards. We have lost the battle as parents, comminity & as country... Drugs, alcohol abuse & sex are the only thing on our childrens mind...if a child is a virgin until 21yrs we must be thankful & gr8ful.
In isiZulu they say "okuhlula amadoda kuyabikwa"... we can see that the men of today are realy failing in educating our children so "Imbokodo" must take over things may get better..
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Dzel

somaartakeit

@Dzel funnily enough, women never complain about men's dress code, what is it with men that they feel the need to prescribe women's dress code? some men dressed up in appropriate, ie tight shirts that shows out their bulges and tight pants which makes them look like stuffed sausages do you see women making a song and dance about this?
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Lets try this again;

1. Do you think it is OK for women to dress provocatively i.e. cleavage that shows gazebos,
2. What message do you think that sends to men, and
3. Is it OK then when men treat the woman as she presents herself i.e. wolf whistles etc.


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Dzel

somaartakeit

@Dzel funnily enough, women never complain about men's dress code, what is it with men that they feel the need to prescribe women's dress code? some men dressed up in appropriate, ie tight shirts that shows out their bulges and tight pants which makes them look like stuffed sausages do you see women making a song and dance about this?
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Lets try this again;

1. Do you think it is OK for women to dress provocatively i.e. cle.avage that shows gazebos,
2. What message do you think that sends to men, and
3. Is it OK then when men treat the woman as she presents herself i.e. w.olf w.histles etc.


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MommaC

Dzel

Yea, parenting isn't some paint by numbers exercise. I've been lucky with my two but I know really good parents who went through hell with theirs.

Way back in the stoneage, we went to Spain and it was shocking as they had nude beaches. The thing is that the sexiest woman on the beach was dressed in a long white sun dress. Then you have people like Hallie Berry who can wear a sack and still be the sexiest woman in the room and then you have women who can wear a million dollars worth of sexy and look like a sack of potatoes It isn't about the outfit.
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somaartakeit

@Dzel
Somaar,

Very young, 10 and younger.
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how can a 10yr old be viewed in a sexual way?

Shocked and speechless
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Dzel

topdog009

So you think those who want not be in the sex industry should not be allowed to use their assets to earn a living because it makes YOU feel uncomfortable?... The answer is Yep...it makes ME uncofortable
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Surely you have identified the problem, easy solution. If it makes uncomfortable they don't watch porn, its really that simple.

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Dzel

somaartakeit

how can a 10yr old be viewed in a sexual way?

Shocked and speechless
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You are getting confused somaar, I said the mothers would dress the child skimpily. Skin tops are a good example of this. I never said a 10 year old can be provocative. Concentrate.

You problem is objectivity you lack objectivity; listen to what I am saying, not what you want to hear.

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9janavy

@somaartakeit - You seem to miss the point of my second comment entirely.I guess you are still upset with my first comment.Maybe i should "rephrase".When i said i have seen parents who allow their 7 years old to have boyfriends,i never said they allowed the 7 year old to have sex.The mother of the child always acknowledged the other child who was 8 as her daughter's boyfriend.To her it was just a normal playful thing ,no big deal about it.Now in my opinion she has unintentionally initiated the child into the world of dating a very young age.

Last Christmas my neighbor wife shared a bottle of wine with her 12 year old daughter and allowed her 15 year old son to drink a bottle of ciders.Now some may say this is ok but i find it inappropriate for both children.I stopped allowing my kids to go to her house after i witnessed that.

Somaar ,my comment is not about male or females ,my comment is about children in general regardless of gender.I have respect for all people ,male female.e.t.c I could careless what a woman who is above the age of 17 wears but i will be concerned if a child under the age of 16 wears clothing that expose part of her privates.

This is not about controlling full grown women ,this is about protecting a young child's innocence.I am more worried about peer pressure than the predators.This is why i said you misinterpreted my comments.I am advocating for proper parenting to protect children from associating with the wrong people because that is how they get lured to predators in the first place.99% of the time these kids take up bad habit through friends.

I can bet you that those young girls who go and shoot porn in that apartment do it willing due to peer pressure.I doubt that the porno directors forced them to do it.They were not kidnapped at gun point and forced to shoot the scenes.We can not always make excuses for women in that situation because they willing went there to be filmed and probably returned several time to shoot several other episodes.If these girls had been raised properly and taught to avoid wayward friends they will not be at that place acting in porn movies.This is not a rape case even though the law calls it statutory rape,this is a case of young women with no morals who choose the easy way out to make a quick buck.

Another example is drug use,the drug dealers do not go to the children homes to knock on their doors and sell them drugs.It is the students who go in groups to seek out the drug dealers and patronize them.I can not tell you how many times i see student in uniform smoking cigarettes on the roadside in plain view of everybody.Where i come from if you do that in public you will be apprehended by the alder nearby ,dragged to school and subsequently expelled.That does not happen here ,everybody just passes by the kids without even given them a second glance talk less of reporting them.The elders of SA and the parents need to take responsibility and keep the youngster in check.Students must not be brave enough to smoke whilst in school uniform and in a public place.
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topdog009

@9janavy Love your home drill *HIGH 5* to you


@Winilen
Drugs, alcohol abuse & sex are the only thing on our childrens mind...if a child is a virgin until 21yrs we must be thankful & gr8ful.
In isiZulu they say "okuhlula amadoda kuyabikwa"... we can see that the men of today are realy failing in educating our children so "Imbokodo" must take over things may get better..
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Thats what Im talking about....my point precisely
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somaartakeit

@Dzel sorry posted at wrong thread but my response here:-

somaartakeit
Dzel why do you not understand that a woman or a girl child has a right to chose to wear what they feel its appropriate and comfortable to them with out being objectified? And no its NEVEr okay for man to whistle at scantily dressed or any woman/girl cause that's rude, and shows primitive element on the part of the whistler.
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Danger1985

Mr Moderator this forum is becoming to hottttt...
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9janavy

@topdog009 - Thanks, we have to do what we have to do to make sure our children grow up to be individuals we can be proud of.
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somaartakeit

@9Naijanavy, your neighbour sounds like an irresponsible person. No I am not upset with you, I am just surprised that an obviously educated men such as yourself and Dzel would associate sex predatory with women's or girl child's dress code, more than this has to do with lack of control over one self (sexual urges) now the problem comes in when you want to make excuses for those who are not able to restrain themselves from perving at women/children wearing what you describe as scantily clad, listen guys do you realise that we are in the 21st century and with that in mind do you honestly think this is stuff we should be discussing in this era?
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MommaC

9janavy

Have you ever wondered why the biggest skank in school was the vicars daughter or why the girls at the Catholic school were considered 'easy'?

Be very careful of being over controlling or their rebellion will be massive
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Dzel

somaartakeit

Dzel why do you not understand that a woman or a girl child has a right to chose to wear what they feel its appropriate and comfortable to them with out being objectified? And no its NEVEr okay for man to whistle at scantily dressed or any woman/girl cause that's rude, and shows primitive element on the part of the whistler.
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Trust me I know exactly what you are saying but you don't seem to understand the concept of cause and effect. If you don't want to be treated like a sex object then don't present yourself as one.
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somaartakeit

@Dzel what makes you think the scantily dressed women are presenting themselves to the perverts who are perving on them? Has it ever occurred to you that just maybe some of these women enjoy their sexuality so much, have you ever thought that some of the scantily dressed women are lesbian whose dress code has nothing to do with presenting themselves to men as you suggest? Dzel i strongly recommend that you travel the world especially developed countries and see how really free carry themselves ito dress code and these women they dont' afraid of the male folk in their countries cause these men are able to exercise self restraint and respect woman's space not these ooglers and fondlers in our country, and you know what's really annoying, if the ooglers and fondlers were themselves sex and desirable it would make sense that they will lust over sexy looking women, instead most look like telly tubies hence I fail to understand why do they think a sexy woman is dressed to present herself to them chubbies, men need some perspective, really.
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MommaC

Dzel

It is a DRESS, not a YES.

I've had guys making iinappropriate advances when I was dressed in a pair of sweatpants and a baggy polar.neck jerrsey. How was that a come-on?

NUNS in full habit have been r@ped. Grannies and girls in burkas have been r@ped. How can you say that it is the woman's fault then?
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Danger1985

@ Dzel I beg to differ with the last bit, it comes down to the other person.A lady might be dressed in a dress and still be viewed in a manner that is unbecoming...so for example u see a lady in a dress but you have blood running in the wrong direction because she is wearing a dress that defines the geohraphy of her body well...Just like one might see a lady in a mini-skirt and well I wont even explain what goes through an individual...so that said I feel it comes down to the psyche of the individual...and it isnt necessarity a cause and effect issue
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topdog009

@9janavy

My parents did an excellent job....I turn out well...now Im passing that on to my kids and find family members who turn their heads my way when I admonish my kids if they step out of they way. "Cha bo yekela abantwana hle" Say what???

But funny how they (family members have sons who rock back and forth out of jail), daughters who drink and stagger around adults uttering vulgar words...and they ( family) have an audecity to tell me to loosen up a bit. These cousins of mine were never scolded I remember growing up with them what they have become is sad really.... So under my roof our law stands firm and clear.

Scarry how tooooo understanding some parents are out there...next thing they will be blaming it on the system.....Damn...The bug starts with us parents...Also no to porn finish and klaar.
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somaartakeit

Men in this continent are controlling and are not respecting a woman's space hence they think they should be prescribing to us our dress code, guys that ain't cool nor sex, just let us be, if I am dressed in an outfit where part of my bum is sticking out, that's mine and partners business wena enjoy panoramic view provided for free, afterall I don't tell you how/what to wear cause I don't care what you are wearing you are your partners business not mine, so your dress code is yours and your partner concern not mine.
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topdog009

Disturbing topic.....its like someone telling you that there is no Father Xmas.
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Danger1985

@ somaartakeit: so are you feminine? just out of curiosity?

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somaartakeit

Danger1985
@ somaartakeit: so are you feminine? just out of curiosity?
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I already said my pic to you is in the post and autographed lol so chillax son,
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Opinionater

Amazing about the perception that this kids are under aged. If they are, I hope the people burn in hell, if not Mozil tov for making some home grown porn! Its hard enough as it is to make a buc in South Africa!
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BlackSeed

USED??? Has anyone being raped?

Thobalano le Madi ke mathata a lefatshe
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