dik

Yozi, why don't you and all stirrers like you go to Limpopo and attack the crooks in power and not the most successful,honest and caring government in the whole of SA.
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Sinudeity_

This Yozi dude is a tool. Maybe he should go back to the ECape, and tell us which province better serves the poor. The irony, is that Cape Town is the city with the LOWEST income disparity in South Africa. And yet the same ANCYL LIARS electioneer by calling it an apartheid province and whatever else.

But its cool, peoples eyes are opening up to the YL and the ANC.

Yozi, give it up boy, your party is busy dying.
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Danielrjvvuren

*Facepalm* Sigh... I think we need a new institution or ideology rather then politics. Can we not privatize the state? At least we will see some service delivery. Wow its really fun switching the nationalization thing on its head. It seems that the political system is failing so badly maybe getting private institutions to run the country we might get leka discount on tax or loyalty points with our water spending....
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MommaC

"there was no tangible proof of this on the ground."

Cause you've burned it all TO the ground you mullets.

I think it is past time that government (all three branches) start looking at the idea of changing the way they do things. A bit of lateral thinking may be in order here. Obviously the real bosses (the public) are not happy with the way that their employees are doing things.
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cornelius

Haha, the DA bashers are quiet this morning.
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DJ-Winner

@cornelius...We choose to stay away of other people's affairs, unlike you DA people first to comment on ANC affairs. We are not insecure as you are.
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skhokho21

MommaC, let me ask you the question I always ask, first from you, what was burnt to the ground & in which location? Zille is talking about 76% of her budget, where & what has she done with it. Don`t tell me about houses from a report of 2011 plz, say in Khayelitsha 500 rdp houses were built, in Site C this is what was done, in Nyanga, in Gugs etc. Its easy to believe anything coming from Zille but she said nothing on this report.

Cornelius, we don`t bash the DA but we tell you don`t act as if your DA is doing better, they have their own faults just like us the ANC, whether the ANC is worse does not justify niks, they all political parties.
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The-Rothschilds

Who doesn't lie thats in politics?
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Danielrjvvuren

Rothschilds
This she is true... Thats why I say maybe we need a monarchy or privatize all the things - enter meme-
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Romy

@ skhokho21

If you really want to know there is a breakdown of the expenditure in a statement on Politicsweb.

(Sorry Sowetan won't let me give you a direct link but if you google politicsweb you will find it).
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The-Rothschilds

Danielrjvvuren
Rothschilds
This she is true... Thats why I say maybe we need a monarchy or privatize all the things - enter meme-
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they can lie too, they are human

What we need is a system whereby politicians do not financially gain ANYTHING by been a member of parliament or a policy maker. They must declare everything they own, and if they fail during their term in office, all their assets are seized as punishment and given back to the people.
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MommaC

skhokho21

Go read the budget. Its in the public domain.

What the communities fail to realise is that if you burn down a school then the price of re-building that school has to come from somewhere. That means that there is less budget to do something else. Maybe if the communities (all over the country) could be made to understand that and be more involved with the process, then we wouldn't have this level of destruction.
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Danielrjvvuren

The-Rothschilds
Maybe have a bi-annual assessment report and if you are not up to scratch you get the boot and the next in line takes a swing at it. It seems that are longterm planning is solid, but our mid to short term planning is taking a whack. Rather then privatizing state we privatize the person where total transparency is the key word. Yeah they might be human but who lies to the extent that politicians world wide do.
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skhokho21

Romy
@ skhokho21

If you really want to know there is a breakdown of the expenditure in a statement on Politicsweb.
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Romy, did you understand me, I don`t want to hear about %s like this report. I want to hear her saying in Gugs we have built 5 schools, renovated Zolani Centre, build a Library in Nyanga, installed a drainage system in squater camps to prevent flooding not this vague PR she is doing. We don`t see those %s in the b lack townships that is my point.
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MommaC

skhokho21

Google is our friend :)

capetown.gov.za/en/reports/Pages/default.aspx

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Voetzek

for people to make poopo outside, Helen zile must consult a psychatric
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skhokho21

MommaC, I have been checking these reports like the one Romy reffered me to, all they do is giving %s, they don`t say what I want about the b lack township, where our poor people are complaining about service delivery. Which school was burnt in Cape Town, say in the last 23 years? I will check your report anyway.
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Voetzek
for people to make poopo outside

Are you referrimng to the outside toilets in the Free State by any chance? The same toilets that the anc promised would be covered LAST YEAR?
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Nwanawamukalaha

Only wh*ite-minded people see good in what DA does. I mean, if there was service delivery across the WC Province, were people there going to march or complain?

A good module in this case is when whi*tes in general were the recipients of apar*the*id system's programmes, that's why bla*cks were marching and complaining. Currently it's all political parties which are not delivering, DA not exceptional at all.

So guys, stop angel-coating DA because it's wh*ite run. All politicians are entitled to protect their political interests.
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Sinudeity_

Voetzek - CT has resolved the toilet issue. A year or more ago already.
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - "were people there going to march or complain?"

They were not there to march or complain. They are there to electioneer. To try and make the ANC/ANCYL relevant again in WCape.


Which province are you from by the way?
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Sinudeity_

Imagine, if we didnt have to give 80% of the budget to the poor folks. All the money that COULD have been used for subways and whatever else.

Meanwhile, people keep streaming in from the ECape. Because the ECape is useless. And we have to keep forking out.

At least the DA does one thing right, focussing on education.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Wow so how come the DA won several wards away from the anc during the last municipal election? Could it possibly be that the DA delivers to all and the non white voters are seeing this? The ancyl are known to march for no real apparent reason and this was just a publicity stunt to try and discredit the DA in the WC. Who have the only clean audits in the country. The DA build and the anc trash and then complain that they dont have houses.

Politicians anre NOT ENTITLED to protect THEIR interests. They are ELECTED to protect OUR interests
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Nwanawamukalaha - "they prefer to complain in silence or walking naked in public streets."

Sure beats destroying things and buuurning down schools. But then again, we saw the ANCYL protesting like white people in CT last week.

No violence :P
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skhokho21 - PS, the DA is doing far better than the ANC.
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MommaC

skhokho21

I don't live in Cape Town so I wouldn't know what is happening there. I do have some friends that live down that end of the world so I try to keep current but it is difficult.

Maybe google the specific area and +housing?
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - PS, tell us about Limpopo please.
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Nwanawamukalaha - "The burning issue here is whether DA is delivering"

Yeah, the DA are delivering. Its quite plain to see.

I'll ask again, which province are you from?
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Nwanawamukalaha

@Sinudeity_

At least the DA does one thing right, focussing on education
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Amongst the 27 schools meant to be closed in WC, how many of them are schooling white pupils?
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - That is only assuming that the protest marches are genuine. But, if you follow twitter, and the tools account, its quite plain to see that the protests are orchestrated.
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - "Amongst the 27 schools meant to be closed in WC, how many of them are schooling white pupils?"

I have no idea. Do you know? Show us as well where you pull your data from.


Out of the 27 schools that were closed down. How many new schools were creates?

80 new schools in the WCape.


I'll ask again, which province are you from?
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Nwanawamukalaha

Sinudeity_
Nwanawamukalaha - "The burning issue here is whether DA is delivering"

Yeah, the DA are delivering. Its quite plain to see.

I'll ask again, which province are you from?
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I was born and bred in Limpopo but now i'm staying in Gauteng/Pretoria. Am working here, and you?

The issue re. service delivery is a national issue and every person is suppose to never be in defence of any political flaws in that regard since we are paying tax.
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - Born and raised in Joburg, now staying in Cape Town.


"The issue re. service delivery is a national issue and every person is suppose to never be in defence of any political flaws in that regard since we are paying tax."

Of course, i just wish all the ANC fanboys got this memo.


I would be in favour of the protests, IF they were genuine. But they are not.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Sinudeity_
Nwanawamukalaha - That is only assuming that the protest marches are genuine. But, if you follow twitter, and the tools account, its quite plain to see that the protests are orchestrated.
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You'll be doff if you believe what's posted in social networks about political parties. There's no use if the reality is different to what's posted.
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Nwanawamukalaha - You know what is crazy? We have over a million people who moved to CT from the ECape, because of the abysmal quality of healthcare/education in the WCape. Because they couldnt get free housing in ECape.

Now, these folks are in CT, and already they are demanding stuff. Not realising that the housing backlog keeps growing, because of the immigration.

The townships keep getting bigger, not smaller. And this is evident from the migration.


Now, 80% of the budget, goes to people that throw their own $h17 in their own streets. Then go on violent rampgages, and kill people. A buss driver stoned, causing the death of school children. A pregnant mother in a coma, because some d1ckhead threw a brick through her window.

The protestors keep it up, we might just decide to make the townships 'ungovernable'. Cut off their free water and electricity. Blockade their roads with burning tyres. Stone taxi's...

It goes both way my friend.
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Danielrjvvuren

Is this going to be another one of those tennis discussions. I throw a point you back hand it back to me then I smash it back to your side and then you smack it back to my side with no actual progress made? Tennis debates just infuriate and frustrate people.
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Nwanawamukalaha - "You'll be doff if you believe what's posted in social networks about political parties. There's no use if the reality is different to what's posted. "

These are the twitter postings of the leader of the ANCYL in CT.
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Danielrjvvuren - Just setting the record straight, with 1st hand experience, as compared to the propaganda picked up from the local ANCYL branch meetings.
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DJ-Winner

No political party is perfect, Zille must realise this and stop being in a state of denial. People are not protesting for nothing. She will pay with a vote at the end of the day.
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity
I've been to ANC rallies. My father is a politician and that might say loads to his character, but I can say from 1st hand accounts that you are basing your insight into ANC based entirely on ANCYL. Who is to say the ANCYL is wrong in this case? I am not defending them, but you are taking this on faith from one lady that can not produce a single tangible display of where this elusive 76% has been spent? You point people to the DA website, but isn't that written by the hand of the DA and can be propaganda itself? Just saying mate.
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Danielrjvvuren

They same can be said of every march organised by the ancyl to further their own agenda! They marched against the open toilets but not against the ones in the free state why? They pull students out of school to protest against the anc placing Limpopo under administration. Just because the ancyl organise a march doesnt make that march valid. The march they organised in CPT was also against the youth wage which would create jobs and gain experience for the youth. They didnt even adhere to the stipulations given to be able to hold the march which proves they have no respect for law and order and believe they are entitled to do as the please. The ancyl will never need a valid reason to strike or protest.
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Danielrjvvuren - "but I can say from 1st hand accounts that you are basing your insight into ANC based entirely on ANCYL."

What do you mean? Have we even heard from Fransman in the past month? Dont you think Ive been commenting here long enough to distinguish between the ANC and the YL?

"am not defending them, but you are taking this on faith from one lady that can not produce a single tangible display of where this elusive 76% has been spent?"

Urg, in the past, whenever these things were questioned, I had a nice list with citations, explaining directly where the services were rendered, what facilities were built. Unfortunately a week later, the same person I sent the link to, would ignore the evidence, and ask the same question you are asking now.

The website I linked Dzel yesterday, showed you exactly where the 4,000 new houses are being built. It tells us exactly which community facilities, sports centres etc were constructed.

Its public knowledge dude, you can find the audits online. Not basing my 'comments on the word of one lady'. Which is what the ANC fanboys are doing in this case. Deriving their sources from hearsay and propaganda.

Im not 'upset' about the DA in this case. Im upset about these hooligans wanting to make the province ungovernable. Blocking highways off. You might enjoy these tendencies in whichever province you find yourself in. But not me.


Anyways, growing TIRED of this new tendency of commentators, to not comment on the article, but comment on the comments or comment on the commentators.
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Danielrjvvuren

DA-DBN-GUY
Oh yes they are not all squeaky clean and any idiot can see that, but I am just saying who says what Zille says is right or what the ANCYL WC says is right? Its like debating why I like bacon whilst you might hate it? Its become a point of view discussion with no one actually wrong or right as no one can prove at this stage who is the wrong party and who is the right party. We need more information in the end don't you agree?
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Danielrjvvuren
DA-DBN-GUY
Oh yes they are not all squeaky clean and any idiot can see that, but I am just saying who says what Zille says is right or what the ANCYL WC says is right? Its like debating why I like bacon whilst you might hate it? Its become a point of view discussion with no one actually wrong or right as no one can prove at this stage who is the wrong party and who is the right party. We need more information in the end don't you agree?
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I agree. You right...
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Danielrjvvuren

DJ-Winner
That is all I wanted to know. If any we must be angry at another politically charged article from Sowetan for not actually giving or even trying to give us figures from an Independent source so we can without a doubt definitively seeing if Zille has gone off her rocker or if the ANCYL WC is being daft.
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Danielrjvvuren


Sinudeity always posts links and articles when referrencing or posting a comment as he has said so it is not like debating bacon because that just come down to personal tastes and not facts. The fact always speak for themselves but you get the few who will dispute and try rubbish the facts. I seriously doubt the DA would post info on their page if it could not be proved or validated. Unlike the ancyl that time and time again spew rhetoric without fact or reason. I am sorry to say that they ancyl have lost all credibility and anything they do now will be questionable.
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Danielrjvvuren - The irony is, according to the GINI index, Cape Town is the country with the smallest income disparity in South Africa. And yet, we are to believe that this is an 'apartheid' province.

One of the many ANC propaganda pieces that gets thrown around every day.
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DA-DBN-GUY

DJ-Winner

So do you think it was right for the ancyl in Limpopo to pull school kids out of scholl, AGAIN, to attend a protest march demanding jobs and the end of the anc having Limpopo under administration?
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The-Rothschilds

Nwanawamukalaha
It's also a pity that since colonialism, white people were never complainants because they were getting everything first preferentialy. That's why even when things are not going their way through government's programmes, they prefer to complain in silence or walking naked in public streets.
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Wh!te people are people who have rights too just by the way..........................why is it your mentality that "as long as the whitey loses out" then its ok?

White people have every right to complain about their rights, considering they played and continue to play the most significant role in growing this economy.
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DA-DBN-GUY - I can spot the trend though...

MommaC/RobinH and Daniel would rather be politically correct, and make some friends on the forums instead of actually looking at things from face value.

Somehow attacking the DA makes them cool with the sowetan crowd :P
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Danielrjvvuren

DA-DBN-GUY

In the end that is your opinion and the pro-ANCYL feel the opposite? Does that make them stupid? I don't personally think so, because they in tern believe that what is written on the DA site is propagandist. I can also add millions of links that will debate the flip side of the coin the fact remains it is still a point of view discussion. Can you tell me without a shadow of a doubt that the ANCYL WC is wrong here? Can you produce the necessary documentation showing that 76% of the budget has gone where Mrs Zille said it has gone? Can the pro-ANCYL show me documentation to prove pro-DA wrong? Until such time I think we should stray away from generalizations and wait for some facts.
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The-Rothschilds

DJ-Winner
No political party is perfect, Zille must realise this and stop being in a state of denial. People are not protesting for nothing. She will pay with a vote at the end of the day.
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They may be true, but the alternative ANC and COPE is certainly a "worse" option, so until another political party rises that is less corrupt then all the current political parties, i see the DA growing.........i see a 30% vote in 2014 and i see a close to 50% vote by 2019.
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MommaC

Sinudeity_

It isn't about making 'friends'. It is about not being a political party sheeple and the deep belief that if a politician's lips are moving then they are lying.

Whilst I am sure that many people don't mind falling to their knees and worshipping at the alters of their chosen political parties - I prefer to remain a dedicated agnostic in all respects :)
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity

The pity is that you would rather scream than hear someone different perspective is all. I have not once attacked the DA or ANCYL in this thread and you can go read all my comments again. You jump on your DA horse if someone so much as looks at the DA funny dude just chill out and take in some other perspectives. Let those walls down. Where you a socially awkward child in school? Bullied perhaps?
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Nwanawamukalaha
Sinudeity_
Nwanawamukalaha - "were people there going to march or complain?"

They were not there to march or complain. They are there to electioneer. To try and make the ANC/ANCYL relevant again in WCape.


Which province are you from by the way?
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Like i said before, you defending DA as if your it's youth league leader in darkness will never make you a triumphant card for winning stranded blacks who support DA because they are more westernised.

The burning issue here is whether DA is delivering, something that Zille-hulle knows that it hasn't........
How can ANCYL electioneer by showing frustration with an opposition party? The people on the ground are the ones who knows the truth as to whether DA has delivered on not hence the march.
to Zille's office.
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Would you like to see how the poor lives here in ANC controlled PE? Have a look at Motherwell township, Walmer and Betholsdorp, if you want to see close to starvation that is. But the ANC is too busy fighting over who should rule PE. This is why the DA won 41 % of the vote in PE last election and this is why the DA will win PE in 2014.

When last have you been to Alexandra township next to Sandton? in AND controlled Gauteng?


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Danielrjvvuren - "In the end that is your opinion and the pro-ANCYL feel the opposite?"

ANCYL feel the opposite because of politics. Do you agree with me, that the ANC/ANCYL doesnt like the fact that the DA controls the WCape?

Do you agree, that the ANC held the WCape? But then got voted out? Do you agree that the DA's margins grew even more in the municipal elections? It seems the people have spoken. But the ANCYL disagree with the majority of CT folks.

Why would you take ANYTHING the ANCYL says at face value? The same idjits who want to 'shoot the b03r'? That want to make provinces ungovernable? That pulls kids out of schools to protest?
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The-Rothschilds

Sinudeity_

Ofcourse this is about who controls the WC..............there is worse poverty in Limpopo, Gauteng (Alexandra Township) and here in the Eastern Cape, yet the ANCYL is unheard of here in the Eastern Cape. You will never see the ANCYL marching here in PE, even though the service delivery protests have reached crisis levels.
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Danielrjvvuren

i never called any one stupid in my comments. But I will tend to believe what the DA says for the mere fact that the anc and their yl have accused them of being corrupt and racists and yet the DA has never been found guilty of any such thing. On the other hand the ancyl have proved to be hooligans and racists in their protest actions and speeches so I will be leaning more towards the DA!
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity

Again breath my friend I am not attacking you. Ugu municipality has also grown here in KZN. Durban I hear is doing relatively well also. Yes there seems to be animosity towards the fact that DA leads in WC but again that is an educational problem as the see the DA as the apartheid party when both you and me know that that is not true. There are some AWB members who drag dolls of black people behind a car, is that to say all wh!te people don't like black people? The kids went to the march themselves out of conviction not compulsion. If anything if the ANCYL does it's job it could become a very strong institution of change.
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Tsek

you can talk and talk and talk mara u aint getting my vote madam Zille....mayb Lindiwe but not u.
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Danielrjvvuren

"If anything if the ANCYL does it's job it could become a very strong institution of change."

The ANCYL is nothing more than a puppet mouth piece used by bad elements in the ruling party.

I have said it for 3 years now. I knew the ANC would get rid of Malema in the end, he was a puppet used to divert attention off Zuma during his term as president.

COSATU, ANCYL and SACP are all puppet organizations used to guarantee the power structures of the ANC.
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Moffdat

ANC, DA, IFP, UDM nwe nwe nwe!
The success of a democratic government is dependant on the elite in society and their interests. Should their interest(pockets) be in tune with that of the community... good for the masses and if not. Boo hoo!

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DA-DBN-GUY

Then is it wrong for those who believe the opposite to that? That they believe that the DA has failed them so now they lean towards ANCYL? The funny thing is both these parties want the same thing, but because they are so dam stubborn they refuse to work together and would rather work against each other. You would expect the DA to be the bigger person and asking the ANCYL their help but they don't and the ANCYL must rather then march go and ask the DA for help, but the people in each organization does not want to share their toys so now no one will play with them attitude.
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DJ-Winner

The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
No political party is perfect, Zille must realise this and stop being in a state of denial. People are not protesting for nothing. She will pay with a vote at the end of the day.
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They may be true, but the alternative ANC and COPE is certainly a "worse" option, so until another political party rises that is less corrupt then all the current political parties, i see the DA growing.........i see a 30% vote in 2014 and i see a close to 50% vote by 2019.
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That is your opinion. Looking at it's policies, DA is the "worse" one for me.

I'm sure voters will also consider policies.

ha ha ha...your predictions are funny, I must say....Gudluck.
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Mbeki_2

if DA produced a report listing everything they do each year AND you went to go and see the delivery with your own eyes - would you stand in front of the new hospital/whatever building and STILL say I don't believe my own eyes - so therefore the DA are not delivering.

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The-Rothschilds

Yes that is true, the ANCYL is just a mouth, but if they just do what they are intended to do just think all that power that even school kids run out of school used to keep them there what change could happen in the country.
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Tsek
you can talk and talk and talk mara u aint getting my vote madam Zille....mayb Lindiwe but not u.
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ha ha ha ha ha....
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Danielrjvvuren - "If anything if the ANCYL does it's job it could become a very strong institution of change."

LOL




Oh wait, you were serious...
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Danielrjvvuren

I beg to differ. It is the anc who refuses to work with the DA in the WC. The DA rule the WC and NOT the anc or their yl so it is they who should be wanting to help. Why would Zille need the yl's help when they refer to her as the madam and Lindiwe the "tea girl". Zille even agreed to meet the ancyl marchers personally to accept their memorandum if they retracted the statement that they will make CPT ungovernable, which as you know they refused to do. So in this case who is not wanting to work with the other and who is wrong? Again why did the yl make such a fuss about open toilets in CPT and not in the Free State?
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Tango

Most corrupt provinces.
1.Western Cape(worst)
2.Limpopo
3.Eastern Cape
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The-Rothschilds

The ANC ruled the WC what like 4 years ago? Why did the ANCYL not march for land in constantia then?

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Mbeki_2
if DA produced a report listing everything they do each year AND you went to go and see the delivery with your own eyes - would you stand in front of the new hospital/whatever building and STILL say I don't believe my own eyes - so therefore the DA are not delivering

Would the DA produce such a report or post on their page if it werent easily verifiable? Unlike the anc who claim to be getting tough on corruption yet we ALL can see they are not.
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DJ-Winner

Thanks, that is democracy
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Sinudeity_

Tango - "Most corrupt provinces"

1.Western Cape(worst)
2.Limpopo
3.Eastern Cape



:P Tango, are you part of the ANCYL?

I rest my case.
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity
You remind me of a friend I have that thinks that all his problems are because he is white and is entitled to more. Doesn't get into masters its because the blacks take all the space. A nay sayer in the end. Just be a bit more open minded man. Its like you do not want to see this country succeed just because it will prove you right. Dude I ask again where you unpopular at school? Dux perhaps? It seems that your personality leans towards you having few friends that would only listen to you and not give inputs? You feel that you always right? I did not once attack you but you persist in being sarcastic?
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DA-DBN-GUY

I do not have all the answers man, I don't know. I'm just trying to be more impartial man but it seems that it can not happen with a few. In the end I'm just a dude from Durban next to the pool. All I am saying is that if these parties work together rather than fight, and please read this right its from both sides, we could make some real progress
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Danielrjvvuren - "You remind me of a friend I have that thinks that all his problems are because he is white and is entitled to more. "

But I am not your friend dude. Nor do I believe that my problems is because I am white, nor do i believe that I am entitled to more.


"All I am saying is that if these parties work together rather than fight, and please read this right its from both sides, we could make some real progress"

Of course. But what makes you think the ANC wants to work together with another party? Dang, even within the tripartheid alliance, the parties dont want to work together. We can hear Vavi lambasting the ANC yet again. The ANC will more sabotage another party, then actually working with them.
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner

Thanks, that is democracy
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You welcome.
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Danielrjvvuren - "Its like you do not want to see this country succeed just because it will prove you right. Dude I ask again where you unpopular at school? Dux perhaps? It seems that your personality leans towards you having few friends that would only listen to you and not give inputs? You feel that you always right? I did not once attack you but you persist in being sarcastic?"


LOL, seriously? Its coming down to how popular I was at school? I dont want to see the country succeed?
Holy $h17 dude, you are talking as much k@k as the ANCYL now.
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity
FFS that is what the f*ck I have been f*cking saying all the f*cking time!!!! If ANY and ALL of the parties stop there bullshit and work together we can achieve more. How has every single person missed that I am not debating from any side and trying to say that ALL parties are full of it. Thank f*ck I don't have to socialize with you on a daily basis you're exhausting man. Just read man, just read. If you read that very quote you will see the lack of any political parties name and i clearly state THESE parties as in ALL parties.
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity
I am merely attempting to understand why you are as you are man. People who think they are right has not had proper social interaction as a child or normally been bullied at school and I'm getting that vibe from you. Thats all man thats all...
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Danielrjvvuren

Sinudeity
Weet jy wat... I'm done dude. I can not debate with you and you show a lack of understanding in each comment you make so I will be ignoring you now. Rather then have a stimulating discussion you choose to make a sarcastic remark on everything. Ek is kla. Dankie maar nee dankie.
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Sinudeity_

Danielrjvvuren - Listen my son. It seems you are having nice daydreams here, political parties working together, no war, no famine, peace.... Wake the f*** up dude. Welcome back to reality. There we go. Harsh, isnt it?

Now that we are done dealing with your fairytales, lets deal with REALITY for a second, allright?
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Sinudeity_

Danielrjvvuren - Bye.
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Sinudeity_

Danielrjvvuren - PS, didnt you threw a hissy fit yesterday as well?
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

.............and halt the planned closure of 27 schools in Western Cape.
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Maybe I've been living under a rock, can someone explain why the schoold are (will be) closed????


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Sinudeity_

MsKinkyakaKamaSutra - Underperformance. But in the same breath, 80 new schools have been created.
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Tikoloshe

ANCYL leader Mfuso Zenzile is reported to have declared "let them go to the police...we give Zille's office seven days to repospond and if there's failure to do so within seven days, we will make the city ungovernable"...

Now, depending on the circumstances, a brazen threat to render a lawful government ungovernable using violent protests could constitute sedition or even possibly treason, should ungovernablility be found to be tantamount to an attempt to overthrow a lawfully constituted Government..

If members of the ANC are using language like "to make the city or Province ungovernable" coupled with violent protests, there is indeed a prima facia case that their conduct constitutes sedition or criminal activity akin or tantamount to it.

I think a lot of existing ANC members like myself have A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM with the way the Party is conducting itself currently, including the way it is dealing with issues of State.
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M'Lungu

Eish! The ANCYL is at again! - Taking something that's working well - f@ck it up and then blame someone else for it! The Western Cape is well run compared to other provinces - just take a trip down to Cape Town via the former Transkei - as you move South, everything just get's better : The roads, productivity, attitude, manners, education, service delivery etc etc ( The list is too long to include here!)
Maybe the naive and uneducated, ill informed masses will realise to use their heads when voting, not their emmotions!
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cornelius

@ Tikoloshe. Bravo for that comment sir. This country can work if the destructive elements like the ANCY are neutralised. Protest is one thing and its not a bad thing, but there is an inherent dishonesty in the reass for the ANCYL protests,and their threats of making the province ungovernable is actually treason or at least sedition. Hopefully the ANC will elect a leader at Mangaung who has the authority, respect, moral integrity and leadership capabilities to reign them in. JZ does not have that.
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Nwanawamukalaha

@Sinudeity_
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra - Underperformance. But in the same breath, 80 new schools have been created.
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K@k at its best that your utter in defence of DA. You should enroll for a Psychology course somewhere dude.
1. Why would one close schools because of underperfomance and create 80 new schools?
2. What's underperfoming, pupils or structures?
3. Why can't DA implement a new education system which will sharpen the mentality of pupils instead of building new schools?

What you are saying is comparable to taking construction trucks from municipalities which are close to rural places and parking them in the city centre forgeting that the same trucks will in most cases be of great use in the rural roads whereas all you have to do is change the monitoring and evaluation of the truck usage at local municipality.
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Nwanawamukalaha - "Why would one close schools because of underperfomance and create 80 new schools?"

The pupils from those schools will be integrated with existing schools. As for the new schools, they are in areas where more schools are required. Its really not rocket science.

"What's underperfoming, pupils or structures?"

Pupils, teachers and the principles.


"Why can't DA implement a new education system which will sharpen the mentality of pupils instead of building new schools?"

The education system falls under the national education department. The province doesnt have any say in which education system is implemented. New schools are required.
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Nwanawamukalaha - "What you are saying is comparable to taking construction trucks from municipalities which are close to rural places and parking them in the city centre forgeting that the same trucks will in most cases be of great use in the rural roads whereas all you have to do is change the monitoring and evaluation of the truck usage at local municipality."


You are merely assuming that the new schools will be built in 'white areas' as you would call it. Its unfortunately not true. The new schools are being built in rural areas.

As for the closed down schools and trucks example. Lets imagine that the truck is in bad condition. The truck is used to transport children from point A to point B. But because the truck is in such a bad shape, it puts the lives of the kids in danger. Therefore, the truck was made obsolete, and the existing pupils will be getting their rides from the other, in better shape trucks.
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Nwanawamukalaha - WCape, the province with the highest matric pass rate in South Africa. Do you disagree with this?
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Nwanawamukalaha

@Sinudeity_

The education system falls under the national education department. The province doesnt have any say in which education system is implemented. New schools are required.
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Then your defence for the creation of 80 schools is null and void if your DA is not going to change the education system. I know but is WC bigger than NC to warrant the province creation of 53 (80-27) more schools? or is it going to be special schools for the van stadens, van balls, van merkel, van marago, van skudenies and the other van der walts; two schools for 50 households?

Normally, a primary and high school per km radius is allowed.........................
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - "Then your defence for the creation of 80 schools is null and void if your DA is not going to change the education system."


What do you mean? Its the parties mandate to create schools, hospitals etc. Its NOT in the provincial parties mandate to change the education system.


"or is it going to be special schools for the van stadens, van balls, van merkel, van marago, van skudenies and the other van der walts; two schools for 50 households?"

How about proof my son, that these schools are being built in middle-class areas? Or dont you need proof to jump on the "DA/apartheid" bandwagon?



You dont even know where these schools are being built. You are from Pretoria right? You dont even know which suburbs are here.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Sinudeity_
Nwanawamukalaha - WCape, the province with the highest matric pass rate in South Africa. Do you disagree with this?
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The stats is dominated by pupils from white-dominated schools.........split the results demographically for me.
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Winilen

DA only serves the rich and white we can debate that all we want... what has DA done to improve the life of poor ppl? We all know that most ppl who are happy with DA live in surburbs & their kids go to good school...They only worry when black poor ppl start to steal, hijack or kill them that the only thing.
They dont care whether we go to school or working as long as we dont threatin their rich @sses they are ok.
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skhokho21

Sinudeity_
DA-DBN-GUY - I can spot the trend though...

MommaC/RobinH and Daniel would rather be politically correct, and make some friends on the forums instead of actually looking at things from face value.

Somehow attacking the DA makes them cool with the sowetan crowd :P
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That is the problem with you, just bcoz people don`t agree with you, you throw your toys out of the cort. You have failed several times to understand our point of discusion. We have on several ocasions acknowledged the fukc ups of the ANC evryday and we are not happy with corruption. On the other side we also say your DA is not as clean as you make people believe, they also have faults like the ANC but the difference the ANC is the ruling party. You have failed all the time when we ask you for proof, you just post links with reports either from 2010/2011 or with %s but what I want is something that says, in Gugs 2 schools built, in Khyltsh 10k houses or show us where you spent the 76% in the b lack townships that are complaining. You complain about people moving to CPT but you come from JHB hypocrite.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

DA must let go since they still searching the way and come to join us so they will learn how to govern the province.
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Danielrjvvuren

skhokho21
I thank you...
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Nwanawamukalaha

@Sinudeity_
I'll never side with DA. They are just an opposition party to ANC, hence their negative take at everything ANC proposes. They are carrying their mandate very well - to oppose.
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - WCape matric pass rate: 82.9%

Demographics of WCape (2007 survey):
5,278,585 people:
Coloured folks: 2,639,292
Black folks: 1,583,575
White folks: 1,055,717


"The stats is dominated by pupils from white-dominated schools.........split the results demographically for me."

White people are not the majority in Cape Town dude. And I wish I could split the results, but unfortunately the government doesnt release that information. So, if the PROVINCIAL AVERAGE is 83%, 50% of the population is coloured folks, and 30% of the population is black folks...

Then guess what, your statement is false.
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Sinudeity_

Nwanawamukalaha - Thats fine. The ANC is busy burning.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho - "You complain about people moving to CPT but you come from JHB hypocrite."

Yeah, at least I can afford to buy my own place to stay in. I dont need a handout from the government. Plus I bring work experience, and my skills. I am not competing with the millions of other people with no skills for a job. I am a refugee from Joburg. Not ashamed to admit this.
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skhokho21

Demographics of WCape (2007 survey):
5,278,585 people:
Coloured folks: 2,639,292
Black folks: 1,583,575
White folks: 1,055,717
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Why can`t you give what I have been asking you for like you have done above. I want to know, how many schools, hospitals, houses & where have been built in the b lack townships in the last 2 years. The N2 gate way is out it was started by the ANC.

Let me lead the way by saying, there is 1 hospital in Khayelitsha/Makhaza.

The schools that are being closed, they claim its bad performance, so in order to hide that performance take pupils km away from their surroundings & pay more on transport instead of giving the school the resources which will be cheaper. What will happen to the closed schools?
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Tikoloshe

Winilen
Nwanawamukalaha
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
skhokho21

...Guys, we've only got ourselves to blame for the State of Public education. Why don't we complain when half way through a schooling year pupils in Mpumalanga don't have text books and nobody to this day has been dismissed for this indiscretion Why don't we go to the schools on the first day of the school year and ensure the classes are up and running??

In the North West pupils are being prevented from attending school because of a road; and we accept this!!!! The pupils and the public are being used as pawns in the Mangaung power struggle and the public accepts this!!!

I can tell you in the case of Xhosaland funding is provided for schooling but in most onstances in misappropriated....approximately 80c/rand of monies allocated for service delivery doesn't reach the ground. We in the ANC cannot accept this any longer....no need to blame anyone except ourselves.

Mothlante doesn't have the character to lead this country...he has held one of three most senior positions in the movement since 2002, overseeing the demise of the Party. A lot of us here in KZN will make a big Shisamyama under that Presidents seat if he succeeds in Mangaung....he won't want to sit on it for too long that's for sure!!!! His hour of glory will maybe come when he stands on the steps of the Union Buildings with his dear Gugu, the first lady...the one who was Phosa's PA in 2002 at Luthuli House and then became a multi billion rand business lady....that will be his hour of glory then things will go very steadily downhill.

In Isizulu there is a saying that "you can't sleep when there is a snake in the house"...and he has been the snake in the ANC NEC, first undermining TM and now JZ. What goes around comes around!!!!!
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mhlupheki

i think you are the same you are all dreamers
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online~Evangelist

O'h people of God. O'h poor miners! catapulted to eternity in sudden way, my heart is sobbing

I tell you, Oh' the living, that unless you repent. The rushing wind of sin will usher you in to eternity suddenly and all shall be of no value BUT salvation in the blood of Jesus
REPENT of thy sin and live for God in righteousness, for the common denominator (death) is lurking.

where will you be The moment you die?
Jesus is the way

The preacher has spoken

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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "Why can`t you give what I have been asking you for like you have done above. I want to know, how many schools, hospitals, houses & where have been built in the b lack townships in the last 2 years. The N2 gate way is out it was started by the ANC."

Good thing, the N2 gateway project was a HUGE FAILURE, that cost the province R2 billion.

In the last 2 years, 11,000 new RDP houses have been built. For references:
http://www.sacities.net/knowledge/research/presentations


"Why can`t you give what I have been asking you for like you have done above."

Because you should be doing this yourself dude. You have access to the internet and google right?


"The schools that are being closed, they claim its bad performance, so in order to hide that performance take pupils km away from their surroundings & pay more on transport instead of giving the school the resources which will be cheaper. What will happen to the closed schools?"

Sure, the students may pay more for transport costs, being integrated into successful schools. But in the long run, they gain FAR MORE by having access to decent education.

As for the closed down schools, I dont know.


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16-12-1838

Tikoloshe

"...Guys, we've only got ourselves to blame for the State of Public education."
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So very true and not only with regard to public education, but all aspects of social conscience.

Only once black Africans actually realise that true success in life is achieved via personal effort and determination, will the rest of the world see you as equals. To continue playing the victim only impoverishes you further.

It is time to look within, become proud of your blackness, get up...and continue to stand up...on your own merit. For surely it isn't the colour of our skin that makes a person but the attitude of our minds and hearts? Break the shackles of insecurity that your blackness has brought you in the past, stop trying to gain sympathy from the guilt of others, like a common beggar in the street. Why continue to regress, that is the lazy option and are you all not better than that?

Because honestly, time is running out as there is only so much longer that you can keep on blaming the past. Create to survive, destruction and apathy only destroys! So come on, prove the rest of us wrong and emancipate yourselves from mental slavery!
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skhokho21

Sinu, the link you gave does not give me anything, copy & paste it. Even your 11000 RDP houses above does not say where these houses were built becoz that is what is important.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - Its in the presentation pages, under 2011. Budget or allocation plan or something. Will find it once Im back at my PC.
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Nwanawamukalaha
@Sinudeity_
I'll never side with DA. They are just an opposition party to ANC, hence their negative take at everything ANC proposes. They are carrying their mandate very well - to oppose.
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The DA was elected as opposition to the anc and are there to keep the anc honest, excuse the pun,. So far the anc hasnt kept any of their promises, crime is rampant, as is unemployment, education and health are dying slowly and you want the opposition to keep quiet? The anc is also try to change the constitution with the "Secrecy Bill". Again do you expect the opposition to keep quiet. In the smaller scheme of thing the DA is ruling the WC and the anc is opposing EVERYTHING the DA proposes.
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Winilen

Tikoloshe

"...Guys, we've only got ourselves to blame for the State of Public education."
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Very true... but i will also argue the role of teachers & principals... the so called "white or multi racial schools" parents are forced by schools to participate in their childrens education by makin sure homework is checkedn & signed every day other wise they also would'nt care except when is it time to get the result.
Most of our black teachers & principals dont care abt our children anymore as long as they get their salary, that y i will never take my child to those schools
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Pitso.MCCMA.SAFA

Hellen Zille is a fake
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16-12-1838

juliass malema is a bigger fake!
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DA-DBN-GUY

Pitso.MCCMA.SAFA

And Jacob Zoomer is a big fat liar
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candilious

Winilen
Tikoloshe

"...Guys, we've only got ourselves to blame for the State of Public education."
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Very true... but i will also argue the role of teachers & principals... the so called "white or multi racial schools" parents are forced by schools to participate in their childrens education by makin sure homework is checkedn & signed every day other wise they also would'nt care except when is it time to get the result.
Most of our black teachers & principals dont care abt our children anymore as long as they get their salary, that y i will never take my child to those schools
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Just have to disagree with you here my Daughter attending Public School and she is doing great infact she has been accepted at the Public High School for next year.
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16-12-1838

@ candilious

congratulations candi, perhaps it is more to do with you being a good parent though? After all, a loving home provides the best foundation on which to learn.
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My5cent

As pointed out by Sinudeity_ only 30% of WC is white.

The DA went from just under 50% to way over 60% for the City of Cape Town. As well as won the province.

The ANC propaganda machine can spew out as much garbage and organise service delivery protests but in the end the PEOPLE have spoken and will speak again come election time.

ANC can cry foul as much as they want to. The proof will be in the 2014 elections. If the DA increases its share once again provincially in the Western Cape they will be vindicated.

The biggest problem is people in other provinces not seeing first hand the good job the DA is doing and only hear the propaganda.

Areas closer to the Western Cape are already starting to swing. For example Nelson Mandela Bay municipality was a very narrow win for the ANC. The more the ANC lose the more vocal and aggressive they will become. Which is sad. This is a democracy. Take your losses with grace and focus on delivering to keep your market share. Not violence, intimidation and fear!
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16-12-1838

@ My5cent

"T.I.A" - sadly that will never happen my friend. There is too much at stake for those thieving barbarians in the anc to willingly succumb to defeat in a democratic manner. As the noose tightens and their clutch on power weakens, the more they will resort to desperate and intimidating tactics.They are by far the largest threat to the economic, political and social advancement of this country and most are willingly blind to this reality.

The writing is boldly displayed on the wall and in any normal society such facts should be welcomed, however the consequences here in SA send shivers down my spine!
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