LostGuy

What is the money that they accumulated during their evil regime ran out?
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NoChange

welcome to hunger...it happen to a number of politians and you can not make you elective position in the party as your life long career without kissing the leaders A$$ al da tym madala
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brother1

oh no please, mr Brümmer say u r joking. Only God who should get tithes not a party. kodvwa niyalayeka ngenxa yekutsandza tintfo nyalo go & find yourselves jobs in the farms blood idiots. Mrb brummer ask the court to check if Lindiwe mafutha mabhiyane Mazibuko is also paying . VIVA ANC VIVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!phansi nge DA phansi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! singing
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Bahaeso

Hard luck Mr Brummer. This is what you get for being in a dictatorial party. No human compassion. Sikhala nani abaxoshiwe
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Bahaeso

Mr Brummer , what will be the basis of your court challenge. The fact that you are a "career politician" and a middle aged man , will not fly with any judge or magistrate, you need a much better basis. Otherwise you are just " thatha amachance" . Ulayelikeli. Maybe you can try begging at the robots, I will certainly give you a half a loaf when I pass by.
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The-Rothschilds

Glad the DA sticks to its rules............and that whether you are black or white, you are not above the rules & laws of the party.

A political party must have the highest form of discipline because an undisciplined party like we have seen in the ANC leads to inefficiency & corruption!!!
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Nyongoyamavenda

the is just showing its dictatorial tendencies,how many people are going to loose their houses for rent non payment under DA ,i am scared
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

ha ha ha...
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

elitist tendencies! lol. If u cant afford it, you're out...
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Bahaeso

"Glad that the DA stiicks to its rules" , hahaha , what rules? The rule that says if you owe the party, you are instantly dismissed even when you still try to pay on the day of dismissal. Heaven help us all. If they can do this against their member, what more against the public. The madam and the teagirl are showing us how they do their thing.
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RobinH

As if these fatcats can't afford it with the ridiculous salaries they vote for themselves. Politicians are the scum of the earth.
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The-Rothschilds

Nyongoyamavenda
the is just showing its dictatorial tendencies,how many people are going to loose their houses for rent non payment under DA ,i am scared
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People should lose their house if they dont pay their rent.............who must cover the costs? Someone else? Entitlement mentality...........its rather sad!
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The-Rothschilds

Bahaeso
"Glad that the DA stiicks to its rules" , hahaha , what rules? The rule that says if you owe the party, you are instantly dismissed even when you still try to pay on the day of dismissal. Heaven help us all. If they can do this against their member, what more against the public. The madam and the teagirl are showing us how they do their thing.
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The Madam and the tea girl are running an efficient party. No institution can survive unless its finances are under control and that the rules applies to everyone. This is explains why the level of corruption in the DA is so significantly less than other political parties that deploy friends, families and ghost workers into positions to rape the coffers that were meant to pay for schools to educate your kids.

At least we know that the DA expects its members to pay and not the tax payer.
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Nyongoyamavenda

The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
the is just showing its dictatorial tendencies,how many people are going to loose their houses for rent non payment under DA ,i am scared
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People should lose their house if they dont pay their rent.............who must cover the costs? Someone else? Entitlement mentality...........its rather sad!
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Have you ever been to a squator camp,people are so poor that if they take the little that they have to pay rent ,there wont be food,school fees wont be paid,its to say wht you are saying wjhen you are from the the former advantaged, i tell you the day DA rules this country there will be chaous
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Limpopoist

These sound like a family business..
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ThirdEye

R36000 salary but fail to pay Party fee??? I don't think he is fair.
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Sinudeity_

brother1 - So you dont know about the tithes ANC dudes pay to Lithuli house? Thats how the tender system works. If you get a tender you have to pay a tithe to Lithuli house.
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mathopeed

Brümmer said he was dropped from the party for owing R5621, which he subsequently paid.
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If the DA can fire a municipal spokesperson for only mis using that amount, why ANC cant do the same for MP's who misuse billions of Rands every now and then?

This shows that DA is serious about eliminating corruption. Thats a strong message.
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Sinudeity_

Nyongoyamavenda - Hehehe, your fear-mongering aint working. People are losing faith in the ANC.

Phanzi ANC, phanzi ANC.
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MommaC

"I'm a career politician"

.... not any more. Now you are going to have to get a REAL job instead of just being a useless leach :)

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RobinH

"career politician" is parley-speak for "employed loiterer".
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cornelius

@ LostGuy - your name should be " LostBrain ". Since when was the DA part of an " evil regime " . Don't you know that the DA's forerunners, the DP and the PFP opposed the NP during apartheid, and stood for " one man one vote ? " Jir man, if you are so uninformed, rather just shut up.
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Sinudeity_

cornelius - No, most sowetan ANC commentators DONT KNOW that DA (DP) was the opposition party to the apartheid government. Thats why so many of the fools think that the DA will bring apartheid back. Because they have no cooking clue about history in South Africa.
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The-Rothschilds

Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
the is just showing its dictatorial tendencies,how many people are going to loose their houses for rent non payment under DA ,i am scared
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People should lose their house if they dont pay their rent.............who must cover the costs? Someone else? Entitlement mentality...........its rather sad!
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Have you ever been to a squator camp,people are so poor that if they take the little that they have to pay rent ,there wont be food,school fees wont be paid,its to say wht you are saying wjhen you are from the the former advantaged, i tell you the day DA rules this country there will be chaous
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Yes i have been to a squatter camp..........................i know very few people who have to pay rent for their shacks, although there are people who do rent their shacks out..........most do not pay rent so i do not know what the purpose of your comment is? All i said that if you start renting and you decide not to pay your rent, you deserve to be kicked out.
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skhokho21

Why is the ANC always dragged to topics that have niks to do with them, worse of all a DA topic?

Sinu, I see you are back with your bull sht, you DA fools are forever feeding us lies here, DP was only an opposition to NP, they were also fighting for w hites supremacy not for freedom of the b lacks. Where do you think the fukcen racists who kept apharteid going for 48 years went to. The apharteid is rife in the WC, we don`t have to wait for them to come to power.

For the past 2 years, you have been lying about DA building houses & schools, I asked you where are those houses & the report you always claim is from 2010. Get it in your head DA will never rule this country, just becoz we are angry with some of the actions of the ANC does not mean we will vote for DA. The very same b lack people you keep insulting are the ones you want to vote your DA into power.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "DP was only an opposition to NP, they were also fighting for w hites supremacy not for freedom of the b lacks."


LOL, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Come on my son, brush up on your history abit before making a fool of yourself on a public forum.



"For the past 2 years, you have been lying about DA building houses & schools"

LOL, you mean, you have been lying to yourself about the DA not building houses and schools. The DA has built 80 new schools in the WCape, over the past 3 years now. You can of course, verify this information quite easily. Or you can believe in the propaganda from the ANCYL.


Anyways my son, we know you are just buuttthurt, because your party is not in control of the province.
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The-Rothschilds

skhokho21

Go to Alexandra township next to Sandton, your proud and joy of a Non-apartheid Gauteng under ANC leadership.
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9janavy

So DA is a church now? Tithes? WTF!
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Sinudeity_

9janavy - The ANC also does it. Plus, tenderpreneurs are forced to give a percentage of their tender to Lithuli house.
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RobinH

SIn: with the greatest respect, I think one needs to aqccept the fact that DA representatives have cocked up here. There is really no dispute, and as we all know, the two-wrongs-approach neither addresses the issue nor is much use to anyone. What the ANC or the "tenderpreneurs" do is irrelevant when judging a particular error by the DA.
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9janavy

DA needs to chill out.In these current economic climate,R36000 is chicken change.This man probably has bills as high as mount Everest to pay.If he is an efficient politician ,let him remain in the position.Wow i can not believe these guys are earning a mere R36000.Many of us complain about what we make monthly until you see what others make before you realize that you are living like a king.
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RobinH

Pardon the typo: I mean "accept".
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Sinudeity_

RobinH - "I think one needs to aqccept the fact that DA representatives have cocked up here."

Thats not what Im arguing against though. Im arguing against the fools that say the DA will bering apartheid back or never built houses or schools.


Anyways, its not really about the DA. Its about getting another party in, thats not the ANC. At least I have a clear agenda here. Unlike some of the white commentators who slate the DA merely to get friendly with the ANC bunch :P
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RobinH

Sin: OK. I accept that. As you know, I am not aligned, and see any force or grouping that will lessen the ANC majority as desirable, from a strategic, if not ideological point of view.
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TKay

All this parties are a waste of time
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RobinH

TKay: My sentiments exactly.
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skhokho21

RobinH, tell that fool, I am not apologetic, I support the ANC but I know they make a lot of k a k especially now with this mistake we made in 2007 as a head, we don`t have to hide it, we have acknowledged those fkc ups. This topic had nothing to do with the ANC but he changed it to blast the ANC. No one said the DA will bring back apharteid on this topic, its just that he does not want bad publicity for his DA. Your agenda is clear, stop hiding, you are a DA support, its just that you want everyone to agree with you tsek.
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JohnStone

Please, please DA supporters let us stick to the fact in issue, that being the firing of DA councillors. These councillors are being fired for not paying "party tithes" and other such fees. Instead of diverting attention from the issue and start your daily anti-ANC rants, make us understand the reasoning behind electing DA councillors; is it to serve the party first and the people later if at all? Were the voters told that the DA is only fielding candidates for them to earn from our taxes and pay to the party instead of serving the people? From where I stand, the DA deceived the voters.

The DA should have informed us that their first priority is to "fundraise" and service to the people will take a backseat, hence the people toyi-toyi for services until the develop blisters on their feet, the DA is only interested in the money. The DA told us they were fielding "only the best candidates fit for purpose", are they no longer "fit for purpose"? Or was the "purpose" only to get money? The DA is behaving like the very same Labour Brokers that COSATU want to see banned. They get their "councillors" employed by the electorate and take the money from the poor councillors. DA is the main Labour Broker of Cape Town.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - So your party suuucks then? So boetie, rather go fix your party before even talking about another party ne.
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RobinH

Skhokho> My friend, you tell him. I think I made my position quite clear. As I said, what other parties do or don't do is irrelevant to this issue. I really hope you don't mean me when you say "you are a DA support", as I regularly and quite insistently point out that I support NO political party and am against the notion of party-politics, even though I concede it to be essential in the current world order.
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - We dont vote for councillors. We dont vote for MPs. We dont even vote for the president. What are you talking about?
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RobinH

Sin: He's not sure.
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cornelius

@ John Stone - if that is the rule, then it is a condition under which you become a DA councillor. This is about sticking to rules. A concept foreign to the ANC ?
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JohnStone

@Sinudeity_

I've been telling you for so long to stop drinking that banned cheap wine (papsak), look now you got your brains all messed up. Who said anything about voting for MPs and President?

When DA supporters fail to raise a good argument, they somersault like a hydra. My questions about DA councillors remain unaswered because the self-appointed DA defenders herein have nothing between the ears.
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trooth

And these people accuse the ANC of being a gravy train?

Does Zille still get two salaries?

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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - "Who said anything about voting for MPs and President?"

You did. You said we vote for our councillors. And I corrected you, we dont vote for our councillors, nor our MP's nor our president.

The process of 'tithing' is common practise. The ANC does it, the DA does it. Its how you get money in for electioneering. At least the DA doesnt force tenderpreneurs to pay a cut of the tender to Lithuli house. Nor does the DA divert cash from public entities to Lithuli house.


What are you going on about, that is the bigger question.
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Sinudeity_

trooth - How can you compare this to the gravy train? Do you even know what the gravy train means?
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Sinudeity_

trooth - Of course she gets two salaries. So does Zuma, so does Mantashe. And Julius received more than two salaries.
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JohnStone

@Sinudeity

I never said anything regarding MPs and President, you are deliberately avoiding the "papsak" issue. No shame in admitting that you have a drinking problem, Alcoholics Anonymous is there for a reason: you!
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skhokho21

Sinudeity, yes they do suucks, you talk about the ANC all your life as if everything is above board at your DA. You don`t vote for councillors, what do you think you are voting for during municipal election, you vote for someone chosen by your party to represant the your area, that goes for the president fool. The ANC does not charge anyone from their salaries as long as you pay your membership, donations are welcomed like they are from the DA.
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cornelius

@ John Stone. Papsak is not banned, get your facts straight.

It is you who has nothing between the ears I'm afraid.

Some councillors are ward councillors, that means a specific person stood for a specific ward. Others are proportional representation counciillors, who become councillors by virtue of where they stand on the party list ( decided by the party) and how many votres the party gets.

In respect of the ward councillors, at best they can argue that their ward wanted them specifically and that they should not be fired for failing to pay their tithes. Maybe that is what you are trying to say in a rather convoluted manner.

In respect of ward councillors, there is no such argument.

We don't know whether these councillros are ward or prop repr councillors.

Even if they are ward councillors, the fact ramins that a party rule is a party rule. i fyou don't want your ward councillor fired, urge him/her not to break the rule, or give him the money with which to pay the tithe.

Simple, even you should understand.


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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - "I never said anything regarding MPs and President"

Who cares? I was trying very hard (but it seems I need crayons in this case), to show you that WE DO NOT ELECT OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

Papsak is bad allright, but tik, that stuff is even worse for you. Seek help my son.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "You don`t vote for councillors, what do you think you are voting for during municipal election, you vote for someone chosen by your party to represant the your area, that goes for the president fool."


LOL, no you dont. You vote for the party, not for the 'elected official'.

Come on dude, you are a South African, and you dont know this?
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skhokho21

JohnStone, this fool always divert a good arguement becoz he is employed to make the ANC looks bad to the public, we don`t pay tithe in the ANC and that is only common practise in churches. For elections, you get money from EC, donations, fund raising.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "he is employed to make the ANC looks bad to the public"


Nah, the ANC already get paid salaries to make the party look bad to the public. You even said so yourself, the ANC suuucks.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "we don`t pay tithe in the ANC and that is only common practise in churches. For elections, you get money from EC, donations, fund raising."


Yeah, the ANC dudes pay tithes. There was an article running YESTERDAY about the dodgy fund raising practises of the ANC. For one, tenderpreneurs are forced to inflate their tenders, because they need to give a cut to Lithuli house. Lets not forget the ANC's oilgate scandal or "food for oil". Where PUBLIC money was taken from a parastatal, and donated to Lithuli house.
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Lehido

so the Madam is cracking her whip
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JohnStone

@cornelius

Stop waisting your time beating about the bush. Leave the papsak alone now, will you? I don't want you to be like Sinudeity, I care for you my dear brother from another mother.

And please stop wasting your time explaining ward and propotional representation, I understand all those little thingys. Even if they are propotional representatives, they still belong to the DA, hence at knife point the DA is demanding "tithes" from them, not so? You and poor minded Sinudeity have avoided answering my questions, thereby confirming my long held conclusion that indeed there is virtually nothing between the ears of self-appointed DA defenders. I rest my case!
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Moffdat

This is just the beginning. The DA has skeletons in the closet and it is time they are exposed.
LOL how do you treat you own people like that for something so simple??? What food is he going to put on the table???
DA should be ashamed!!!
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - What questions? All I can see you doing is going on about papsak and alcoholics anonymous.

What I find comical, is that the article about the corrupt ANC politician being reinstated is void from your comments. Must be the tik hangover :P
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RobinH

Johnstone: Simply insisting that people must not argue with you does not constitute worthwhile debate. What case? You don't make one. You simply tell Cornelius to keep quiet.
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Moffdat

Cornelius

Your little party of misfits has yet to prove why they need to be voted for. The only good you do for the south african community is... is ,,,, is,,,,

I've got nothing!!!

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Sinudeity_

Moffdat - Your party is yet to prove why they need to be voted for.
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cornelius

@ John Stone - I am touched, seriously.

But I got involved in this debate because you comment about " self appointed DA defenders" having nothing between the ears was wrong and unfair and your comments about the DA's policies were also in my opinion seriously misguided. I am not a DA member and fair criticism is fine with me. Unfair criticism riles me, and I have even spoken out against unfair criticism sometimes levelled against the ANC, or whoever.

To fire a councillor because they are breaking a rule cannot be equated to depriving people of representation as you suggest - those councillors will be replaced.

Sinudeity is doing the same thing as I am - simply trying to argue against wrong and unfair attacks against white people in general, so frequent on this site.
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Moffdat

Sinudeity_

My party has the vote little one. My party needs to prove nothing!
We have a past that prevails to this day. A history the lays in the unconscious of every man, woman and child of this nation! You aren't even waiste level competition!!!
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Sinudeity_

Moffdat - "My party has the vote little one. My party needs to prove nothing!"

Your party doesnt do ANYTHING to show South Africans that they are deserving their vote. The ANC gets majority votes because of apartheid. No other reason.

But good news! Luthili house is busy buuurning. The ANC's own people are protesting against them. Hows it going in Limpopo today? The ANCYL going to make the province ungovernable?
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JohnStone

@RobinH,Sinudeity

For the two of you I recommend you get yourselves registered at an ABET centre nearest to where you reside. My first posting raised questions, none was answered and I still insist they be answered instead of telling us about the ANC. The main article is about DA councillors, I asked questions regarding DA councillors and responses by self-appointed DA defenders were way too shallow and irrelevant.

@cornelius

Now that you have handed in your "resignation" and jumped from the hotseat, you are forgiven. Minus one problem, now I can focus on dealing with the other two political empty-heads. Adios!!
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - You MUST be an ANC sheep. I mean supporter.
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RobinH

JohnStone: Whatever. If you even bothered you would see that most of my posts here today have stressed that the issue in question has nothing to do with the ANC. Who can help if you are so fixated on your own ego that nothing else seems to break through the smog.
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skhokho21

Cornelious, plz, show me were you spoke out against unfair criticism sometimes levelled against the ANC on this forum. Plz speak for yourself not Sinudeity bcoz he does not come close to what you say. We don`t argue along racial lines here unless you equate DA (w hites) ANC (b lacks).
Sinudeity, the money was paid back, why don`t you mention that. It was a wrond thing to do. The DA did it in the WC, gave a tender to the people who support their campaigns, so what, political parties are the same. You just write a lot of bull again to make the ANC look bad, Luthuli house might be burning now but come 2014 you might not have even the WC, judging how pissed off the coloured community is, that keep you in power in the WC. DA got money from the late Brett like the ANC.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "the money was paid back"

Where did you get this from? The ANC paid back R10 million. They still owe R8 million. Nothing has happened ever since. And the PetroSA scandal happened in 2004.


"The DA did it in the WC, gave a tender to the people who support their campaigns"

LOL, thats the ANC propaganda that went around. But then the PP cleared the DA of any tender irregularities. This week, government TRIED to pass a bill, preventing all political parties and its members from doing business with the government. The ANC voted the bill out.



"Luthuli house might be burning now but come 2014 you might not have even the WC,"

My son, come 2014, you wount have Gauteng anymore. NW province as well.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - "judging how pissed off the coloured community is, that keep you in power in the WC."

ROFLOL, and holw do you 'judge how p1ssed off' the coloured community is? Do you even live in the WCape? The majority of Cape Townians prefer the DA over the ANC. Thats why the Cape Town vote climbed by 20% in the favour of the DA, last elections.
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cornelius

@ JohnStone - sorry, I have not resigned from pointing out cr@p arguments.

@ Skokho - cannot remember al the occasions, but, for example, I supported Zuma AND the ANC re the " SPEAR " saga - I was very p1ssed off with that artist an dthe people who supprted such an invasion of privacy. Also. I have regularly said that I don't mind who leads this country a s long as they do it efficently, fairly and honestly - and I have said that I think an ANC with the likes of Mothlanthe and Ramaphosa at the head would immediately have good results in this country. I am not a party hack, for any party, although I make no secret that I admire Zille, an dthink the DA is currently a far better party than the present ANC.
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JohnStone

@Sinudeity

Nope, me no ANC sheep. ANC no farm, ANC no sheep, see, you wrong!!! Me, ordinary South African, lived through apartheid. Me know freedom fighters like Mandela, Zuma, Govan Mbeki, Lilian Ngoyi, Robert McBride, OR Tambo, Martin Thembisile Hani, Steven Bantu Biko, King Sekhukhune, King Shaka, King Makhado, King Dingane ka Soshangane, King Ngungunyane, King Hintsa, King Moshoeshoe, Sabelo Phama, Zeph Mothopeng, Onkgopotse Tiro et al.

Me also know Hellen Zille wrongly claims to have been an "anti-apartheid activist", but many know Zille's only claim to "anti-apartheid fame" was her stubborn persuit of "what happened to Steve Biko"? That is no "activism", but a journalist looking for, err...for...eish, oh ja a SCOOP!! Ja that is the right word, Zille was a juornalist looking for a SCOOP!! In journalism, they call a good selling story a scoop, I know poor Sinudeity was now thinking of Ice Cream, poor you!

Another Hellen, err..., oh yes, Suzman, never fought against apartheid, she only SPOKE against apartheid while at the same time serving her constituency living in a dermacated white area under Group Areas Act, Houghton! She never, never, never fought against apartheid, she happily served in the apartheid parliament. I know who fought against apartheid, Joe Slovo did, Hellen Joseph did, Oom Beyers Naude did, Bram Fischer did.

Happy now that we are no longer talking about the DA but about the ANC?
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - Yeah dude, and the ANC leaders never faught against apartheid. They were sitting in overseas cities, or in exile in other African countries. They never faught against the apartheid government. They were busy enjoying western civilization. Well, Zuma was sitting in Angola, killing his own brothers and raping girls. And now they are heroes. For doing nothing :P Laughable.

Ah, so you are an apartheid relic? South Africa will be better off once all the apartheid relics die.
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - Do you know who actually ended apartheid? America and England. LOL, and not the ANC.
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - Have you checked how many people the ANC have forcefully relocated in the past month? Hows that for the ANC group areas act :P
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Sinudeity_

JohnStone - Hehe, check what julius said now:

'We are worse off than during apartheid'


Eish bra, your party suuucks and blooows :P
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Moffdat

JohnStone

I've been reading everyones comment and sadly i feel you are arguing with someone who doesn't appreciate a factual debate. This Sinu guy is very st!u.pi.d. His kind must be ignored as we stride forward!

There is reason why they say you shouldn't feed the Zoo animals...
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RobinH

Sin: I suppose that is marginally better than blowing and swallowing, lol.
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Sinudeity_

Moffdat - What factual debate? All you and Johnstone have been doing is throwing insults around.

Mind you, if you are an ANCYL dude, then Im sure thats a good 'debate' :P
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Sinudeity_

RobinH - Swallowing is what the ANC supporters do.
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DJ-Winner

he he he he...all I can do is to laugh, man....yoh..ha ha ha....
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - Me too...

Funny how the ANC fanboys come out of their corners to slate the DA for tithing... Dont you have anything substantial to attack the DA with?

Corruption, incompetence or anything like that?
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DJ-Winner

It's funny because you are laughing and angry at the same time....ha ha ha...how do you manage to do that?
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - Its easy, look at Julius, how can one steal from the poor, and be the voice of the poor at the same time.
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DJ-Winner

I don't know about Malema and I don't care

You are not answering my question. I mean it is almost impossible to laugh and be angry at the same time.
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RobinH

DJ. He he. Not at all. Something can be so absurd that one can't help but laugh, even though the end result of the absurdity is often tragic, which of course makes one angry.
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DJ-Winner

@RobinH...You failed to ignore me, don't you?
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RobinH

oh come on, I was simply making a little joke. Let's not get too excited now. Get a sense of humour, man.
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - "You are not answering my question. I mean it is almost impossible to laugh and be angry at the same time. "


Why not ask a better question rather.
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LZee

DA wow! I can't say Im suprised though.......
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