It never rains but pours for our President, what did he do to derserve this? People, He is your President, show him some respect. or is this the work of the 3rd party? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Kaylae
KIKIKIKIKIIIIIIII#dead with laughter# Zuma's facial expression on this picture Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Attention seeker...I think his life is miserable and we all know misery needs company. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Papage
This time he must sue Sowetan, how could they come up with such topic"Zuma penis on show again! I wonder if this is the work of the new Editor in Chief Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Rockwell
Here's another Artist seeking attention.. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
Why are some people obsessed with JZ's spear ? Why do artists think they should have more leeway than others in invading the privacy of others ? Please, can we go back to an era when common decency still meant something ? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
LOL
Ayanda, you racist :)
I must admit, I do like Ayanda Mabulu's art. His technique is very elegant. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
OK This is going to be interesting. The "white insulting black culture" warcry that was so loudly and mindlessly the last time doesn't apply here. Let's see what angle the blind idol-worshippers and party apparatchiks will try and push this time. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
lindsay
comeon people we are really tired of Zuma's penis can't you paint something else i agree we pay for its work but do we have to see it please get some other inspiration . the penis is not public property it is private lets keep it like that.nxa Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ThirdEye
No amount of explaining from the artist that will stop Jackson Mthembu & the rest to denounce the artist. They will even accuse him of being unafrican.
watch the space.
as for the painting, for me the more they embarras Zuma the more people see that he is not fit to be our president for another term. Report Abuse
Bosso ke P* ya JZ, its forever in the headlines !!! i rest my 'suitcase' Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
MommaC
LOL
Ayanda, you racist :)
I must admit, I do like Ayanda Mabulu's art. His technique is very elegant.
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Of course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
Lilndsay: The way JZ so rampantly swings his club at every moving female makes his rather public, I'm afraid.
ThirdEye: I agree with what you say. Just one small point though. The artist this time is female, and black. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Well done Ayanda, you know the irony is when The Spear became a topic of discussion some of us pointed out the hypocrisy given Ayanda paintings and the ANC ignored that point.
Now that he has done it again they are either forced to respond or will be exposed for what they are.
Bottom-line; bullying galleries and artists is not a good idea because it only fuels protest paintings. Zapiro drew a naked Zuma in protest but murmurs down very quickly, now I want to hear them call Ayanda a racist. I like that he is using culture to explain and justify the painting, classic LOL! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Limpopoist
What wrong with these man in animal skin Report Abuse
cornelius
Why are some people obsessed with JZ's spear ? Why do artists think they should have more leeway than others in invading the privacy of others ? Please, can we go back to an era when common decency still meant something ?
It is because theirs are so small, they can't help themselves, when ercted is like my small toe. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Galfrend
Of course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there.
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You know when a country has lost all respect for its president the honorable thing to do would be to resign. This is retaliation for bullying the art fraternity, Zuma asked for this when he threw his weight around.
How did Ayanda drew the president penis? I demand a judicial commision of enquiry to investigate this. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
I wish there could be exhibitions such as these in Limpopo, NW, NC and EC. Of cos about moegoe Zuma........................... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
Let's see if he's going to cancel his trip to Botswana.............lol Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
Papage: Because it symbolises the way the man thinks. Poor man has to weild his willy as much as possible to prove himself a man. Real men don't need to. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Bumnandibungaphansikwesdwaba
I personally dont like Msholozi, but this is nonsense, he is our president and we must all respect that, other than that he is a father. people must learn to respect other people's rights. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Galfrend
I haven't seen this painting so I don't know if I like this particular one or not. I do, however, like his style of painting. If you have never seen any of his other paintings, you may want to try google them as they are well worth seeing Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Msiphos00
If I were Zuma I would resign and let all these talkative rats take over and run the country see if they can do better nxxxxx Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sjamolelo
How trivial!! frivolous and so boring. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
Nwanawamukalaha
I wish there could be exhibitions such as these in Limpopo, NW, NC and EC. Of cos about moegoe Zuma...........................
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LMAO..... hahahahahahahaha, tltltltltltltlttllttltltl , down on the floor !!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Mmaditopo
Sowetan, stop being so dramatic! Why are people so fascinated by Zuma's penis really, it must be very unique!
It will be very interesting, the culture that the Artist talked about will be used against her. She will be accused of being uncultured, disrespectful.
I also believe that Zuma also bring unnecessary attention to himself, the typical example is his latest interview with Dali Tambo on People of the South when he talk about women & children. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
Dzel
Galfrend
Of course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there.
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You know when a country has lost all respect for its president the honorable thing to do would be to resign. This is retaliation for bullying the art fraternity, Zuma asked for this when he threw his weight around.
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At the end of the day, he is a human being just like you and me with feelings. A father. What about his right of privacy ? He has faults just like everybody else. Ayanda is just an attention seeker who wants to make a quick buck. You know whats even more sad? its when our very own people turn their backs on their fellow brothers and kiss assses of the other race i wont mention by name. The very same culture she uses to justify this stup!d painting, teaches us to respect our elders. It teaches us ubuntu, it does not teach us to paint or discuss private parts of the elders. So her using the culture thing as an excuse,is just BS! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sjamolelo
why not my penis or the next man's for that matter? lets move on maan Report Abuse
I am now really convinced he has a golden banana. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
SHOWMAN
I wonder if Mr Mabulu is really Black cause really in this democracy we dont need this shame.Why dont you expose your fathers maybe it will make sence,You are a nonsence............... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Msiphos00
If I were Zuma I would resign and let all these talkative rats take over and run the country see if they can do better nxxxxx
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Some are failing to govern even 1 province.....DA is only serving white people in the CBD and is failing black people in the townships. We have strikes every week.
I wish Zuma can reject the nomination in October, so we can see how their Mothlante do. Revenge is a must, we will be on his back until he resigns....I hope he knows what to do. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Guys,
In the first picture is that JZ's spear in between the "leopard tails"
@Mommac
Ayanda is quite a stirrer, have you seen The Star's front page??? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
MommaC
Galfrend
I haven't seen this painting so I don't know if I like this particular one or not. I do, however, like his style of painting. If you have never seen any of his other paintings, you may want to try google them as they are well worth seeing
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No thank you. Where I come from we are taught to respect our elders. I dont think watching penises of elderly men is amusing. Its actually disrecpectful and an invasion to one's privacy. I will pass. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
SHOWMAN
I wonder if Mr Mabulu is really Black cause really in this democracy we dont need this shame.Why dont you expose your fathers maybe it will make sence,You are a nonsence...............
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He thinks he is white. Some people are brainwashed to the core.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
tpaz
Pic 1- face of a man who is about to cum. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ntiki
shower head need sympathy from people tsek Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
should be interesting to see how this unfolds. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Oh, Nooo! the First Organ is making waves again!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Not yet - but thanks for the direction :)
That young man has a lot of talent - especially for being controversial Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Charley4sure
How did Ayanda drew the president penis? I demand a judicial commision of enquiry to investigate this.
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Dont forget a task team
Showman: Now that really is one of the more ridiculous statements of the day. You show your gross ignorance, Sir. Oh my, and DJ has joined you. Why am I not surprised. La-laa land here we come. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Galfrend
It is a PAINTING. Nobody is asking you to go look up Zuma's skirt for yourself.
Throughout history, the phallus or a phallic symbol has been used in art to represent power and its misuse. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
@ DJWInner , so even if a bl.ack person offends, you blame it on whi.tes. You seem to have a hatred that is clouding common sense.
Re the DA and Cape Town. Please answer this question honestly : Do you really believe theservice delivery in bl.ack townships in the WC is worse than in other provinces ? Truthfully please. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
swona
he is racist! Ayanda is racist! waiting for Blade's comment! with that angry voice! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@DJ-Winner
Hi my friend, its been a long while..........
Motlhante is the main man for the presidency, whether we like it or not, his calm nature is also good for the position, not somoene who fumes @ everything that is said about him:
Cape Town Student beaten, for waving at the Blue light convoy !
Business Men taken to court for spilling ices on 'someone' !
Attempts to shut the City Press for publishing what is obvious !
Vandalising of the Gallery, for displaying their Art!
Not to mention the insults showered @ everyone who dares to ask about his misuse of our Tax funds !!!
the list goes on and on....... so you decide if we need somoene, who kicks the Player instead of the Ball.
this is unfair to the people of SA and to the president,artist should be disciplined
for their negative paints.i think a 3rd party is involved here!the president needs to focus
on serious issues for the road to mangaung as these r attempts to distract him Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Hosh6
This Ayanda dude has no respect for his elders. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
munhu
Wish these dudes can also do us a Mugabe spear. I wonder what it would look like, maybe like goose's. Report Abuse
Motlhante is the main man for the presidency, whether we like it or not, his calm nature is also good for the position, not somoene who fumes @ everything that is said about him
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What is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Galfrend
If you think so then you aren't very experienced. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
WHY WHY WHY
Get off JZ's d.. and ride someone elses coat tails.
some people are so intent on getting famous that they will do anything.
GET OF JAY's D.C!!!!
Bl00dy agent!!! tjatjarag to the core Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skhokho21
Cornelius, better or worse, does that mean people in WC must not protest, get it in your head, there are no services in the townships, instead of assisting the schools that are doing bad, she prefares to hide them by closing them down. You w hites talk about services, there is nothing in the township only in your areas.
This Ayanda fool, must tell us when he does not agree with his mother/father, does he draw pictures of them naked to put his message across. Some sell outs need to be taken out permanantly. I might not be a fan of the 2nd term for JZ but this is out of order, there is nothing cultural about this attention seeker, some nut head should paint him with a bullet in his forehead if that is the artistic language he understands. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
thandoluhle
Zuma is a disgrace to SA
which other president in the world SLEEPS WITH HIS FRIENDS DAUGHTER??????
he is a bad example to our boys especially as SA has the largest HIV rates worldwide.
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Sjamolelo - "it is painful to his family all this expose's"
Y ALWYS ZUMA & HIS PRIVATE PARTS..M TIRED OF THAT MAN SIES................OUT Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
Mmaditopo
""I am now really convinced he has a golden banana.""
kikikikikikikikikikikikiki .. ok guys let me finish laughing
i think te artist want to use zuma goldenbanana for wrong reasons : to gain publicity & fame : its nonsense to claim that by letting his golden banana exposed it shows respect or whatsoever
It is a good thing when the nation speak out against what they view as bad. Now can we all do the same against corruption, nepotism, lack of service delivery and especially the appalling education given to Africans? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
cornelius
@ DJWInner , so even if a bl.ack person offends, you blame it on whi.tes. You seem to have a hatred that is clouding common sense.
Re the DA and Cape Town. Please answer this question honestly : Do you really believe theservice delivery in bl.ack townships in the WC is worse than in other provinces ? Truthfully please.
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Well, I don't blame white people. I was adding to @Msiphos00 comment. If you follow that comment, you will understand.
Well, we look at the levels and the frequency of strikes. Maybe you can answer your question... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
DJ-Winner
What is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist
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Manuel would have made a good Mayor for Cape Town, he's fortunate to have been in the position as a Minister.
He's just a little puppy, that buggs too loud.
Motlanthe doesn't have to prove any point, he's a Deputy Pres. so he understands that he also has to respect the Government & the ANC, we can only start questioning him, after he takes over as a president. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
misbhakajuju, what a joke as I told I have problem with ladies zako flatten last month I met this beautiful lady I asked her for a date she agreed the other day I jump to her flat she was with a man, are you telling me must I add on hiv/aids stats , you told me pros are at risk compared to ladies zako flatten , what is that Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
mommac - in what? nude paintings?
skhokho21
This Ayanda fool, must tell us when he does not agree with his mother/father, does he draw pictures of them naked to put his message across. Some sell outs need to be taken out permanantly. I might not be a fan of the 2nd term for JZ but this is out of order, there is nothing cultural about this attention seeker, some nut head should paint him with a bullet in his forehead if that is the artistic language he understands.
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well said Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Eraser
I have never seen a president ya (mogwanti so), SA is fallin apart yena o busy wa (fereya, wa nyala) and busy making babies..NO wonder they paint his mshini..its more out on the pants thn his tongue.. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Sjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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No. It is only because he is from your tribe. Do you really think he is better than Trevor Manual? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Oh come on people. Ayanda has used the phallic symbol to put his point across in paintings ranging from Eugene Terblance to Donald Duck. It isn't about the race of the person, it is about the commentary on his perspective of the world.
How many of us have said that Zuma should keep his pants zipped? Do we think that the pants need to be zipped because there is nothing within those pants? Paintings are simply a visual representation of a concept - not the real thing. Even little missy Girlfriend can't get preggies from looking at a painting Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ndhandhazi
SOWETAN, IT IS NOT ZUMA'S PENIS. It is a painted picture resembling ZUMA's penis. Strong words used here shows how sowetan hates our president. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Attention seekers?
The artist seeks attention by drawing JZ's dong. Julius seeks attention by walking over the deaths of 34 miners. Report Abuse
So painting a pen!s is wrong, but taking it out in the middle of the road to p!ss... scratching, touching and holding it public for all to see and putting it in every hole possible is acceptable?
Sjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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Other than what you see on TV... What do you know about Mothlanthe??? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
MissBhakajuju
DJ-Winner
What is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist
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Manuel would have made a good Mayor for Cape Town, he's fortunate to have been in the position as a Minister.
He's just a little puppy, that buggs too loud.
Motlanthe doesn't have to prove any point, he's a Deputy Pres. so he understands that he also has to respect the Government & the ANC, we can only start questioning him, after he takes over as a president.
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Well, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Should we be expecting a march for human dignity by the ANC anytime soon?
Where are you Blade?
Where are you Mantashe?
Where are you COSATU? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
@shokho21 I did not say people should not protest poor service delivery ( in a civilsed manner) , but DJ Winner and the ANCYL who are the main protesters continually say that there is racism behind the service delivery issue. This race card is nonsense , which you can see by the fact that in all provinces there are problems with service delivery in the poor townships.
The schools issue - you fail to mention that the possible closure of 27 schools is to make the education system more effective , and they are engaing to see what would be the best results. You also fail to mention that they hace built 88 new scchools - it is a stupid uninformed argument. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
Mommac - me preggies from Zoooma's painting ? hahahahaa and why do u always refer me as "little","young" ..i take offence you know :) anyway enjoy the rest of ur day. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
@ DJWinner - the frquency of strikes does not assist because the ANC have made it clear they want to make it as difficult as possible for the DA, and there is clearly some politics behind it. Come on, you know it - the true question is whether service delivery is worse in the WC than in other provinces. Start arguing honestly please. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
cornelius - The DA CLOSED DOWN 27 schools!!!
But created 80 new schools in the process. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
ndhandhazi
SOWETAN, IT IS NOT ZUMA'S PENIS. It is a painted picture resembling ZUMA's penis. Strong words used here shows how sowetan hates our president.
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Funny you say that................the spear was also a resemblance of Zuma's reality. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@Dandan
LOL..... I see you don't have a strong character, my dorling.......... otherwise you wouldn't be whining about Girls, this & that, if you're that desparate for moral girls, why don't you rather stick to your holy prostitutes & stop crying like a sissy.
I also sense too much desparation in your statements, U said U've made up your minds, 2 only Date Pros, no one else , so why didn't you stick to that ??? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Galfrend
Because you are young.
Enjoy yours too :) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Yoghurt
JZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skhokho21
Sinudeity_
Sjamolelo - "it is painful to his family all this expose's"
I dont think anyone cares
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Sinu, the majority actually do care. Its fools like Ayanda that will make people to sympathise & see JZ as a victim and elect him for the 2nd term, just like they did when TM fired him. Ayanda as a Xhosa man, discussing an elder/father`s circumcision is a no go and we are thaught to respect other people`s culture, I wonder if you are Xhosa or Zulu because ufanele udliwa inkomo ezintathu boy. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Galfrend
At the end of the day, he is a human being just like you and me with feelings. A father. What about his right of privacy ?
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Ayanda is a guy.
When The Spear saga was topical I said Zuma is making a mistake because:
1. Had he kept quiet the painting ,would have di.ed a quick death and we would have all forgotten about it, by making a big fuss you are drawing attention to the painting so your actions become counter-productive.
2. By bullying your way around you create resentment, I resented the fact that freedom of expression was being curtailed. The extreme end of this is we will end up not being able to talk about the president out of fear of retribution.
3. Because of this resentment you will get artists doing exactly the same thing just to show you the middle finger.
It boils down to understanding how one's actions are perceived and to what extent does it influence reaction. Our president completely misread that situation and I expected more paintings to spring up which is what is happening.
So long as this is a painting and not an actual picture of his manhood the privacy argument does not hold water. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
i guess this is gona be another P*enis week !!! Tributes will be pouring for our scandolous Mr V.iagra. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
The-Rothschilds
have you ever heard of double standard leaders.....that's what Blade, Mantashe and Cosatu is.
in fact, the word leader should not even be said in the same sentence as them Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
TIRED OF THE DA BLOGGERS.
Can't you go comment on Beeld or rapport!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
skhokho21 - I dont think a painting is going to change the general 'sympathies' that the people of South Africa have for Zuma.
Come on, the entire 'show respect for elders' thing is turning into a joke now. Because when a painting emerges, its 'disrespecting our elders'...
But we see South Africans disrespecting their elders every day. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports...
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Why Zuma may I ask, can't you see the country is crumbling under his poor leadership?
Convince me why he deserves a second term, by the way I agree with Manuel being the best candidate the ANC can field plus it addresses the issue of the Western Cape coloured vote but ANC rank and file is not known for putting common sense and logic ahead of pointless factionalism and slates.
Moffdat - Tired of the ANCYL bloggers. Cant you go comment on "Die son" or something? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
cornelius
@ DJWinner - the frquency of strikes does not assist because the ANC have made it clear they want to make it as difficult as possible for the DA, and there is clearly some politics behind it. Come on, you know it - the true question is whether service delivery is worse in the WC than in other provinces. Start arguing honestly please.
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Now you are accusing people, using ANC as excuse for DA failing to serve people. We can deny these things all we can, but they won't go away. We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
@Yoghurt
JZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him.
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Does this mean that everybody who does respect him, is mentally ill/incapacitated/unstable and in need of Psychiatric help, in that case 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help:-) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports...
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Why Zuma may I ask, can't you see the country is crumbling under his poor leadership?
Convince me why he deserves a second term, by the way I agree with Manuel being the best candidate the ANC can field plus it addresses the issue of the Western Cape coloured vote but ANC rank and file is not known for putting common sense and logic ahead of pointless factionalism and slates.
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But I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Tired of the ANCYL bloggers. Cant you go comment on "Die son" or something?
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What's are the words you put in inverted commas? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
Moff: Freedom of expression, Sir. We choose to read this paper. Who are you to object? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
I wanted to give them another try, but no ways I dont want to die like a d.og nonono pros zako flatten nooo , Im shocked not that Im desperate , because you dont know whether she used condoms or not and the next day ukufa ngwana ugafa papa everyday , nono bhakajuju Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Kaylae
Mmaditopo
Sowetan, stop being so dramatic! Why are people so fascinated by Zuma's penis really, it must be very unique!
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Very unique to attract 5 wives going for wife no.6 and breeding lots of children Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Bumboklaat
Hai man, ke dint0t0 gape? Nee man go kaone go bolediwe ka dikuknaeza eseng maromposo Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
But I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem.
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The problem is you are saying we better stick to Zuma; I am saying we have a new crisis every week under Zuma. Do you think South Africa deserves that given his 3 years in power has been a disaster any way you look at it. Do you want us to end up looking like Zimbabwe for you to appreciate the damage this man is doing to our country. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
tarantino
u dont have respect i dont think if he was ur father you were going to do that to him he is a family man just like ur father. he is our president and he will remain our president no matter what, and how u do it he is your president too. you should get a life Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "What's are the words you put in inverted commas?"
The afrikaans name of your favourite "newspaper". Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skhokho21
MommaC
Oh come on people. Ayanda has used the phallic symbol to put his point across in paintings ranging from Eugene Terblance to Donald Duck. It isn't about the race of the person, it is about the commentary on his perspective of the world.
How many of us have said that Zuma should keep his pants zipped? Do we think that the pants need to be zipped because there is nothing within those pants? Paintings are simply a visual representation of a concept - not the real thing. Even little missy Girlfriend can't get preggies from looking at a painting
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Momma, plz sir, there are so many ways you can attack JZ without disrespecting him, this guy is just disrespectful irrespective of what JZ does. Just bcoz ET/DD`s people did not complain does not mean we must not complain. If this is democracy or the constitution we fought for, then sorry, its time we fig ht for the 2/3 majority to change this constitution. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@Dandan
don't cry Nana, uzoba strong !!!
how is the farming going, by the way ? I want 2 come 4 a visit so that U can show me how your managed it all Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
RobinH
Moff: Freedom of expression, Sir. We choose to read this paper. Who are you to object?
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If you look at my statement you'll notice that i didn't mention any names. Your lack of attention to detail is a common trait among DA supporters!! Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. You stand for nothing, your existence is based on the ANC's flaws. You couldn't cut it durig aparth!3d and you can't cut it now... How long have you been around???
Long enough to stand on your own two feet and stop riding revolutionary coat tails. You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country.
Please... spare me!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Yoghurt
And-Then
@Yoghurt
JZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him.
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Does this mean that everybody who does respect him, is mentally ill/incapacitated/unstable and in need of Psychiatric help, in that case 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help:-)
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If you respect someone who has raped an HIV positive daughter of a friend and told her that she is delicious and then take a shower to wash off the disease, impregnated another daughter of a friend, rescued from the doors of prison for corruption by Malema, trying to make his family members millionaires as fast as he can, building a Zumaville using taxpayers money while there is no service delivery to name a few........the answer is YES, 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "What's are the words you put in inverted commas?"
The afrikaans name of your favourite "newspaper".
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meaning???? Report Abuse
@ANC haters (not zuma)
You always expose yourselves as the ONLY person to have drank the original "Racial apartheid" juice from the original pot which was imported from Holland. I would understand if your real identities is Lindiwe Mazibuko or Zille because those two are active in politics no matter their opposition towards any ANC's drives. Raise your hands and become the most fiercest white boys in SAcan politics and stop behaving like you are always served with laxatives during breakfast, dinner and supper. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Simlee
Just out of words by the lack of respect some people have for other people.
Disrepect called art thats just another level really!! People just need another Politician to pick on Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
I will tell you when Farmers Weekly Magazines Editor has published my story, in the meantime keep quite or visit my facebook but no you need to buy farmers weekly for my story Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "your existence is based on the ANC's flaws."
And the ANC has sssooo many flaws.
"Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. "
LOL, again. People who live in glass houses should STFU. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
@ Moffdat, I see, you prefer it if only one side of a story or argument is presented on a forum - much more pleasant and easy right ? You clearly do not have any concept of democracy and freedom of speech,and have no interest in civilsed debate. Why don't you move to Zim where that is the prevailing culture ? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Mmaditopo
@Kaylae
I am really not going to go into a debate over Zuma. The point i am trying to put across is that yes, Zuma is president and he will make headlines whether good or bad. However, our country is in crisis mode and there are more urgent and pressing issues that needs attention other then Zuma's penis and what he does with it.. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country."
You obviously dont live in Cape Town :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Dzel
DJ-Winner
But I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem.
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The problem is you are saying we better stick to Zuma; I am saying we have a new crisis every week under Zuma. Do you think South Africa deserves that given his 3 years in power has been a disaster any way you look at it. Do you want us to end up looking like Zimbabwe for you to appreciate the damage this man is doing to our country.
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Crisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
Despite crisis, but we are the best economy in Africa and we do better even than some Europian countries. SA will be like Zim only if imposed with Sanctions. Other than that, it will never be.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
skhokho21
Sorry Mad@m but part of that fight was for freedom of expression and the right to not be muzzled by a draconian government system. You can't pick and chose which parts of that freedom you like and which parts you don't. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@Dandan
sure, I'll get myself a copy..... whatz your name on facebook ?
i want 2 visit, this week, will you slaughter one chicken 4 me, if I come ??? lol Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
NTHOEMONATEPONONO
i like the tittle.Zuma penis on show again! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Makhosini0408
The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa. Another person trying to be popular at our President's expense. Isilima esilimele sathunukala (Apologies, I cannot translate this) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
cornelius
Hereunder is the same thing i said to your partner in ignorance. They say sleep is the cousin of death!!!
Wake up kid!!!
If you look at my statement you'll notice that i didn't mention any names. Your lack of attention to detail is a common trait among DA supporters!! Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. You stand for nothing, your existence is based on the ANC's flaws. You couldn't cut it durig aparth!3d and you can't cut it now... How long have you been around???
Long enough to stand on your own two feet and stop riding revolutionary coat tails. You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country.
Please... spare me!!!!
Ahi madoda, ANC has given us the most controversial human being as a president. If JZ was my grandfather or father would beg him to not to stand for the next term, I would literally beg him to let go, he is rich for life and him and his famlies(lol) is covered forever. If he continues I wonder what insults under the guise of art will follow, these people want to assassinate Zuma with insults. The Spear, now Umshini wami, what next? Why people not use their vote instead of using insults? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Yoghurt
We are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country"
LOL, where do you hear this nonsense? Local ANCYL branch meetings? Cape Town is the best city in South Africa my son. Please dont comment if you have no clue what you are talking about. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Crisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
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Under Mandela I can't remember a crisis of significance.
Under Mbeki we had an AIDS crisis and he protected Manto and Selibi but his governance was pretty much on track. Oh! perhaps you can mention the Arms Deal but you can count scandals under his administration.
Under Zuma how many crises or scandals have we had in the last two months alone?
come on my brother, you need better logic than that. How can we make our country a better place for our kids to inherit when we can't elect the right people to lead.
I find much to be desired in your response, in fact it is outright disappointing. You have the power to make a difference my brother, use that power wisely.
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What happend to the issue of the tapes Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
where are you, myself Im here in Northern KZN kwa Nongoma , do you want to hook me up, I know you are hard worker too we can do this business Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
You know the ANC/ANCYL is busy dying, when the protests against MAT and POI garner more protesters, then the ANCYL protest. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
cornelius
RobinH
Everyone has the right to be dillusional. The ANC fought/fights for everyones right to self-determination.
Please comment some more and fill me with the kind of pride the DA and it's supporters will never know!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Sugaar - The issue of the tapes is still ongoing. Makes one wonder if the tapes existed in the 1st place. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Makhosini0408
The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa.
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But it is just a depiction of his manhood, not the real thing.
Question: which do you think does more harm; a depiction of his manhood or what he chooses to do with his manhood - poor decision making - and endless scandals including a string of extra-marital affairs (he has to date these women before he weds them, right), children born out of wedlock and unprotected sex with HIV individuals.
The title of the painting: Umshini Wam (Weapon of Mass Destruction). LOL Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Moffdat
Everyone has the right to be dillusional. The ANC fought/fights for everyones right to self-determination.
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Yes and now they are shooting at us with the aim to ki.ll; shoot to ki.ll they tell their police force.
but U said you reside in PTA..... yes I'm trying so hard 2 make my mark, I'm bussy with my Media company, Cleaning company & also running a small Take Away cafe, on the side..... I wouldn't mind trying out the farming sector, though
eix 4 75000,mara its nt tht expensive Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?!
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I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time... Read a book!!!!!!!
Are you proud of the DA? Name one thing that the DA has done better than the ANC.
sure, I'll get myself a copy..... whatz your name on facebook ?
i want 2 visit, this week, will you slaughter one chicken 4 me, if I come ??? lol
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You not allowed to slaughter in Cape Town so don`t come. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
Moff: HELLO. I REPEAT FOR THOSE SLOW LEARNERS: I SUPPORT NO PARTY OR POLITICIAN. REGARDLESS OF PARTY, THEY ARE ALL HIGHLY SUSPECT. Got that now, Sir. Overcome this little blur in your vision. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
MissBhakajuju
running all of those things and still finding time to blog.....sumthing does not add up here at all.
but we all have the power to dream i assume. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
BRAINLOT
Lack of creativity is a serious problem, bloggers please advice your kids not to take arts as a career if they are not creative otherwise they will be desperate, fustrated and end up painting rubbish like this. Remember art is a talent that is innate, to study it is to just compliment what is God given. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
swona
Zuma must be the only president in our time who is so famous for his pen!s Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
I ve got house in Pta, the farm is in kzn, where are the farms in Pta unless Nwest , i was born and bred kwa nongoma mina ,Pta is my sec home Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
WarrenG
He is a philanderer, he is a womaniser. He does has 4 wives but also has an illigitemate child whith Khosa's daughter. He has slept with prostitutes. He cannot keep he prick in his pants. He's a joke and an embarrassment as a leader of a nation. Time for change! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time"
1) Most corrupt liberation party
2) Most incompetent liberation party
3) Most uneducated leaders in the world
I can list more but I dont have time :P Report Abuse
The people of this country behaved better under oppressive laws. Freedom is too much for them to handle.
Ayanda, what if it was your young one expressing you in a school project like that? Would you approve?
One thing that you also fail to understand is that you are not only trying to impressively define President Zuma, but you are also showing who you really are with these pictures.
I am glad people like you are not my immediate siblings because I would be disgraced by your insensitive actions. This is not the right way to express your views about others.
It is true that Money/commerce will indeed destroy Humanity
BRAINLOT - Lack of quality leadership is a serious problem. Bloggers, please advise your political party to pick better leaders in the future, so that artists wouldnt need to paint the presidents dong to make a political statement. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skhokho21
And-Then
Yoghurt
We are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country.
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@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MissBhakajuju
And-Then
MissBhakajuju
running all of those things and still finding time to blog.....sumthing does not add up here at all.
but we all have the power to dream i assume.
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i'm currently blogging 4m one of my offices, and I'm not always on the site blogging, I haven't blogged 4 the whole month or 2 months, I only started chatting again last friday, the people that I usualy Chatt with, must have noticed, and besides I'm so good @ jungling, do this while doing that, It keeps me more busier. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?!
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I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time... Read a book!!!!!!!
Are you proud of the DA? Name one thing that the DA has done better than the ANC.
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Unless you are on the ANC's payroll................i find it strange that you are so obsessed with a political party. I Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Dzel
The Afrikaans link nogal....i can only imagine the comments on that article. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
CharlesTaylor
If Mabulu will be able to put food on his table with this drawing, then it is good for him. Only fools and stupids will entertain such an childish act. He saw that Goodman gallery made good molla out of Zuma, he is now copying.
That is plagiarism at it best Mabulu. You must come with something of your own invention. Goodman Gallery must sue you. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
Skhokho: Criticising an appalling leader is not only the prerogative of struggle veterans. At this stage, the struggle is irrelevant in the greater scheme of getting this country back on its legs. And with respect, young people are going to have to live with the cock-ups being made by our current herd of leaders. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
swona
""Zuma must be the only president in our time who is so famous for his pen!s"""
could not hold it : but to laugh non stop : Zooma eish anaconda Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
skhokho21
And-Then
Yoghurt
We are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country.
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@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle.
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My point exactly, you are still in a struggle, need Isay more. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
skhokho21
@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle
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The struggle ended almost 20 years ago ... what we need from the ANC is good leadership and they fail have miserably in that department. Can't you speak about our achievements in the last three years or is it because there is nothing to celebrate hence we keep on referring back to the struggle?
where is your house in PTA ? I also stay in PTA........... though it wouldn't be a problem 2 go down to Kwa Nongoma, I like the farmsteads, I hope to own one, someday back in E.C, but if we hook up, surely I'll get 2 even learn more about the farming. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
And-Then
The Afrikaans link nogal....i can only imagine the comments on that article.
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Other publications have been intimidated into not publishing the picture it seems.
Crisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
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Under Mandela I can't remember a crisis of significance.
Under Mbeki we had an AIDS crisis and he protected Manto and Selibi but his governance was pretty much on track. Oh! perhaps you can mention the Arms Deal but you can count scandals under his administration.
Under Zuma how many crises or scandals have we had in the last two months alone?
come on my brother, you need better logic than that. How can we make our country a better place for our kids to inherit when we can't elect the right people to lead.
I find much to be desired in your response, in fact it is outright disappointing. You have the power to make a difference my brother, use that power wisely.
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Well, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side. Unemployment figures have always been high. Mandela, Mbeki, Zuma all failed to address the issue. I think, this is major crisis in SA. Does Mothlante has a plan for this issue? What is it? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sokheshe1905
The artist is playing with fire. Usukela inyoka emgodini. Report Abuse
What do international delegates say when asked which of the people is Zuma? "Don't know the face" but if he drops his trousers maybe......" Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side."
You mean how the ANC is Limpopo is f***ing over the province? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Flemza
Please just leave Msholozi penis alone , if you all want to see mine , just go to my twitter and facebook , you can view the real thing for free , no censorship no media , and no out cry its all there for you to see Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Mahlol'adibona
You don't demand respect; you earn it. sholozi has long dragged his name in the mud and I wonder what's wrong with folks who still defend him. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side."
You mean how the ANC is Limpopo is f***ing over the province?
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I think @Sowetan must delete your comment. You are swearing... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Makhosini0408
Dzel
Makhosini0408
The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa.
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But it is just a depiction of his manhood, not the real thing.
Question: which do you think does more harm; a depiction of his manhood or what he chooses to do with his manhood - poor decision making - and endless scandals including a string of extra-marital affairs (he has to date these women before he weds them, right), children born out of wedlock and unprotected sex with HIV individuals.
Akazideleli yena nomndeni wakhe ngalamanyala awenzayo?
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There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice.
At the moment, whether we agree or not with Zuma's behavior, it is irrelevant. He is the first citizen of the country. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
Yes children. Express yourselves. The ANC has lost many to make sure you have these rights.
Please do! You fill me with pride. We have come so far in no time at all.
I understand you are new to 'liberation' and 'rights' but you must remember that all power has checks and balances and to remain in line with these!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
subbortage? Something somewhere between "abortion", "support" and "reportage" . Full marks for linguistic invention! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote."
Hehehe, no, its not ordinary people. Its ANCYL/SACP and COSATU and affiliates. All related to the ANC. No ordinary people here dude. Just poor people being abused by their party leaders.
You dont realise, but people remember what it was like when the ANC controlled the city and the province. Things are FAR BETTER now, than what they were then.
The ONLY party that will be paying for it with votes, will be the ANC losing another province or two to the DA. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@MissBhakajuju
"...........surely I'll get 2 even learn more about the farming.................."
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I love it , I love black ppl being involved in farming, its easy money Bhaks, for you I would sugests you do Layers (eggs) supply to hospitals , boarding schools, wimpy, you can estimate if you can start low with 250 layers , they lay every day mind you, per week you have 1750 per month 7000 immediately you see money coming you will be tempted to go big to 10k,20k,30k, etc by then you are loaded
ppl like "And Then" are these wh.ite people who spread lies that farming is complicated /difficult as results bla.ck peolple ended up running away from farming whereas they are milking our land, we bla.cks are waiting for monthly salry
Farming is easy money Bhaks as long as you select the right sector in farming Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin
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When someone provides a weak argument like you have I wonder what goes through your mind, are you kidding me bro! Do you understand what you are saying?
Can you name 5 major achievements under Zuma, what is there to be proud of in the last 3 years and don't mention the world cup as he inherited that. What makes Zuma a good leader, maybe you know something the rest of us don't.
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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and the ANC must using apertheit to sugar coat their failures during their administration...i even heard Zuma said that it is Vervoerd fault for the limpopo text book non-delivery....this was said live on 702 Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
P4T
At the end of this analysis it would therefore seem that one of Msholozi's legacies would be his penis?
Let's conclude with that and move on already. What about the poverty and underdevelopment that's engulfing our society? Does that concern anybody? Perhaps not since wonke umuntu eMzansi uzibheke yena. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skopomashwabana
As an artist, Ayanda has achieved his goal, that is, to get the nation talking. all aspects of our society have been exposed. from the sheep who follow with blind faith, to pseudo intellectuals, to africans that use culture to condone f**kery and the revolutionaries who brand any personal critism to the leadership as selling out. oh and even the ones that dont necessarily give a flying f**k are talking. Bravo to Ayanda. He has us talking. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Dandan
where did I say that my brother.....pls be specific....? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin
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When someone provides a weak argument like you have I wonder what goes through your mind, are you kidding me bro! Do you understand what you are saying?
Can you name 5 major achievements under Zuma, what is there to be proud of in the last 3 years and don't mention the world cup as he inherited that. What makes Zuma a good leader, maybe you know something the rest of us don't.
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But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Dandan
So the moment you disagree with the ANC, you are automatically classified as a white person.
I would like to know, how does a person come to such a conclusion?
There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice
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Firstly you are confusing a vote for leadership position with respect for an individual, you'll do well to separate these as they are not one and the same. to argue the paintings disrespects the electorate is opportunistic at best.
Secondly the president is doing harm to himself by doing all these things that make the South African public lose respect for him. If he conducted with the decorum one should expect from a president he would get respect back but the man is an embarrassment on many fronts, have you ever heard the saying that respect is earned.
Do you think Zuma has earned our collective respect or are we going to use culture as a defense when all else fails?
the country is stable.....where were you the last 2 weeks.....? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
And-Then
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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and the ANC must using apertheit to sugar coat their failures during their administration...i even heard Zuma said that it is Vervoerd fault for the limpopo text book non-delivery....this was said live on 702
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No, he did not say that. He talked about legacy and there is nothing wrong with that.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
skopomashwabana: "As an artist, Ayanda has achieved his goal, that is, to get the nation talking. all aspects of our society have been exposed. from the sheep who follow with blind faith, to pseudo intellectuals, to africans that use culture to condone f**kery...... "
BRAVO SIR!!! You are one of very few that grasp the significance of "politicised" art. I salute you! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
And-Then
DJ-Winner
What!!!!!!
the country is stable.....where were you the last 2 weeks.....?
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Was the country not stable in the last 2 weeks? Maybe you talk about Marikana, Marikana is no the country. Even there, the situation did not get aggreviated after the incident. In other countries, people would still be dying even today... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
skhokho21
Dzel/Robin, I agree, critisize him all you want but, there is a thin line between critisizing & disrespecting JZ. This boy is out of order & disrespectful, people disappear, he must be very careful.
Rothschilds, are you blind, the rest of the country is burning by ANC followers fighting for service delivery, what is your point.
Mahlol`adibona, we not just defending JZ`s mistake but we don`t agree with kids disrespecting and disgracing him. I don`t hear you critisizing the very same people that sleep with him knowing he is married. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
DJ-Winner
OMG....another selective listener and blind follower....there is no hope for you.
So what you saying is...the legacy of Vervoed was/is the main reason why Angie & the Department of Education cannot deliver book to schools in Limpopo in 2012.....20yrs after Apartheid came to an end. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
DJ-Winner - "That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?"
And meanwhile, the ANCYL branches from all over the country are very quiet with regards to delivery, housing, eviction, corruption, incompetence, service delivery around the country. The ANCYL was very quiet on the textbook scandal. But they protest the closing down of 27 schools (and ignore the creation of 80 new schools).
Just here in the DA held WCape where the ANCYL are protesting... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
BlackSeed
Mahlol'adibona
No one earns respect. We are not here to prove to anyone that we can or we cannot. People should have Respect as one of their personality trait; if not, then it’s unfortunate that they won’t be able to apply it since it’s uncommon to them.
President Zuma is attacked more on a personal level than his Presidency. Whenever he is attacked for his Presidency, his personal life is always referred to. That tells you that society has an issue with his personal life than his work.
No one is defending President Zuma; artist like this boy must learn that there are other ways to express dissatisfaction rather than undress the elders in public.
What does this painting say about Government Administration?
So the moment you disagree with the ANC, you are automatically classified as a white ......"
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its well known fact that your fathers masters told him farming is nt for bla.ck ppl , he went on to brainwash you as result you are still foolish like him
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you my friend make no sense at all....have a good day further Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Dzel
DJ-Winner
But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
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Well, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit...
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DJ-Winner - "That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?"
And meanwhile, the ANCYL branches from all over the country are very quiet with regards to delivery, housing, eviction, corruption, incompetence, service delivery around the country. The ANCYL was very quiet on the textbook scandal. But they protest the closing down of 27 schools (and ignore the creation of 80 new schools).
Just here in the DA held WCape where the ANCYL are protesting...
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Well, don't blame WC ANCYL for that. Actually, we must praise it for doing its job. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sjamolelo
Sjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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Other than what you see on TV... What do you know about Mothlanthe???
I have seen all Ayanda's paintings and i believe he is sick upstairs.I will go as far as to say he is a pervert.Only a brain dead cretin will call such nonsense art.The paintings are obscene ,meaningless and has no message whatsoever.The only thing those painting make me do is throw up.He is capitalizing on the stupid racists worldwide to cough up that much money for his crappy work because they are too stup!d and racist to realize they are being conned. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
cornelius
@ Mofdat - Don't back track now - you made it clear that you did not want DA aligned people to comment on this site - you profess to espouse freedom of speech and rightly point out that the ANC fought for it, but you miss the point that you cannot support it only when it suits you. This is what you are doing - not impressive.
By the way, you should know that the forerunners of the DA , nl the PFP and the DP also fought for freedom of speech, so please get off the high horse would you ?
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Moffdat
I have had it with DA supporters.
Go out there and change what you are compaining about and stop complaining about the same thing everyday. You are all st@p!d, corrupt id!0ts who need to stop sucking the big ANC d...
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Going to do something productive like support a winning party!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - The ANC is close to dead in the WCape. The ANCYL is merely showing kicks of a dying horse, trying to show us that they are still 'relevant' in the WCape. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
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I'll repeat paying social grants is not an achievement.
Building houses is, new infrastructure, new initiatives that take us forward as a country; I would accept any of these but you con't come up with anything of substance so you cite social grants.
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
Point of correction; the Rand usually tracks the Euro but since Marikana the rand has gone on a free fall and is moving in the opposite direction to the Euro, please tell me you are able to analyse financial markets because this is not normal and has nothing to do with Greece.
On Clinton, I did not ask you about China, I asked you what she said about our president and what is going on in our country; it has absolutely nothing to do with China.
I'll give you another opportunity to answer my questions but this time I'll ask you to apply yourself before you answer. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
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you are lying the person who talked about corruption is Irish former prime minister not Hillarry Clinton ,the problem with who want Zuma is that they are focusiing only on his personally scandal,but govrnment is do doing very well
On finacial markets how are they in Europe even in the USA finacial markets are strugling SA id doing much better,how the rand is trading is absolutelly left on the markets
DON'T BUY SOWETAN DON'T BUY lol..really now I'm sick n tired of hearing about zuma's penis. These artist and galleries are looking 4 attention its not even funny, also who in their right mind just wake up one morning n think about another man's penis and decide to draw it..dats gay to say the least Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "Going to do something productive like support a winning party!!!"
Sorry, the DA doesnt want you in the winning party :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces.
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The question is: Are people in those townships marching? No. Maybe they are happy
Are people in WC townships marching? Yes. Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them?"
Dont kid yourself dude, its not ordinary people marching. Its the ANCYL marching, and trying to make it look like they have nothing to do with it. But everyone else knows the truth. Except you it seems. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Tikoloshe
YoYoYo this picture is very racist....Ayanda Mabulu is a racist!!!!!
In fact all blacks are racist because of this picture!!!
Let's call PhuzaFace and Jackson "drink and drive to make a strike.... singing "don't buy Umshini Wami don't buy....."
B_BIKO27
DON'T BUY SOWETAN DON'T BUY lol..really now I'm sick n tired of hearing about zuma's penis. These artist and galleries are looking 4 attention its not even funny, also who in their right mind just wake up one morning n think about another man's penis and decide to draw it..dats gay to say the least
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hahahahaaaaaaa come to think of it,it does actually sound gay Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Makhosini0408
Dzel
Makhosini0408
There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice
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Firstly you are confusing a vote for leadership position with respect for an individual, you'll do well to separate these as they are not one and the same. to argue the paintings disrespects the electorate is opportunistic at best.
Secondly the president is doing harm to himself by doing all these things that make the South African public lose respect for him. If he conducted with the decorum one should expect from a president he would get respect back but the man is an embarrassment on many fronts, have you ever heard the saying that respect is earned.
Do you think Zuma has earned our collective respect or are we going to use culture as a defense when all else fails?
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I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
This type of dehumanising or villifying someone only happen in South Africa, I did not see the Americans going overboard with Clinton. Why said Zuma is a role model? If this country knows about some of the scandals about some of our top leaders, the country will be paralised. The country is rotten to the core, but we expect Zuma to be different?
I do not know why you included culture here, I never mentioned the word culture for obvious reasons. In this country, we vilify those among us, who promote polygamy but some of us have extra marital affairs? Two wrongs do not make a right. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...
And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the argument? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
Its amazing how ppl like Sinudeity and RobinH are amused at this, mayebe if it was FW de Klerk or something like that, maybe I would also find it funny. I think the President can go, but yes they will find another soul to temper with, this Uyanda boy is from CP ..remember, maybe related to Lindiwe Mazibuko Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Dzel
DJ-Winner
Well, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
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I'll repeat paying social grants is not an achievement.
Building houses is, new infrastructure, new initiatives that take us forward as a country; I would accept any of these but you con't come up with anything of substance so you cite social grants.
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
Point of correction; the Rand usually tracks the Euro but since Marikana the rand has gone on a free fall and is moving in the opposite direction to the Euro, please tell me you are able to analyse financial markets because this is not normal and has nothing to do with Greece.
On Clinton, I did not ask you about China, I asked you what she said about our president and what is going on in our country; it has absolutely nothing to do with China.
I'll give you another opportunity to answer my questions but this time I'll ask you to apply yourself before you answer.
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What are 5 things he did not achieve?
What are 5 things Mandela achieved?
What are 5 things Mbeki achieved
What are 5 things Mothlante is promising to achieve?
The Rand is still about R8 something. Investors will not pull out just because of Marikana. We cannot ignore the effect that the platinum is not selling as much because of the unrest there. That will obviously have slight effect on the market, but it is not that investors are pull out of the country.
I'm telling the purpose of Clinton's visits. The other things she said were not necesary as she doesn't care about them.. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "We have the most stable economy in the world."
No we dont. In fact, per capita, we are the 3rd strongest economy in Africa.
"He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine"
But you have killed tens of thousands of babies and mothers by not proving them with the neccesary medical care.
"He has come up with National plaanning"
And told us nothing new.
"Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so"
After he instated the corrupt elements in the 1st place. Oh, and only because of the national outrage. Plenty of corrupt criminal elements still sitting in government.
ManoftheSoil - "mayebe if it was FW de Klerk or something like that, maybe I would also find it funny."
I would also find it funny.
My only problem with the JZ painting is...
That a man who is so insecure about himself, probably has a much smaller dong./ Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them?"
Dont kid yourself dude, its not ordinary people marching. Its the ANCYL marching, and trying to make it look like they have nothing to do with it. But everyone else knows the truth. Except you it seems.
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That is your assumption. In my point of view, the majority feels the march was necessary. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Tikoloshe
DJ-Winner
...DJ the supple difference is that the ANC is in effect in Government and most of the central portfolio's like housing and policing are funded through central Government....so in effect it is marching against it's own incompetence and that is how most South Africans irrespective of colour see it!!!
Also a call for ungovernability is is fact treasonable and so the ANC is committing treason against itself and the people of South Africa by making such calls!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Makhosini0408
I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
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This is where you seem to miss the point; the president brings his office into disrepute himself every time we here of another illegitimate child popping up somewhere or every time he engages in questionable sexual conduct or he does something stupid that has sexual implications. His latest blunder involves chauvinistic views on role of women in our country reducing half the population to sexual concubines who need marriage to be controlled.
Ayanda did not say that or do those things, Brett Murray didn't either. The president does this damage to himself and his office by himself, to turn around and accuse someone who is highlighting these facts as racist or irresponsible amounts to shooting the messenger.
Has it ever crossed your mind that had our president conducted himself as a responsible president should then these artists would have no justification for painting such art; just a thought.
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces.
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The question is: Are people in those townships marching? No. Maybe they are happy
Are people in WC townships marching? Yes. Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them
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The ANCYL organized the marches, why are they not organizing marches else? If we looking at the service delivery protests happening in PE alone everyday, where is the ANCYL? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "In my point of view, the majority feels the march was necessary"
Sinudeity_
Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...
And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the
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that s why JUJU has been expelled,its not a weak excuse ,Italian president was sleeping with a whole lot of whores ,have you ever seen him decipicted this way no,i will not even mention Bill Clinton,dont justify wrong things please Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@DJ-Winner
"..........Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit... "
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Its though bro, evrything is upside down
EU is considering to relax sanctions having noted the progress of bla.ck farmrs in Zim after the land was taken over, now they are looking for apology knowing very well they are going to buy Zims product through China at 200x price Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Makhosini0408
Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
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That right there is the problem...you dont just go and respect people bcos of their position in a family / community or country, they need to earn your respect.
DJ-Winner - In fact, the protestors in WCape should be marching to give thanks to the DA and for the people paying for their grants.
Thank you people of the WCape and Cape Town.
Thanks for our free electricity.
Thanks for our free water.
Thanks for our free housing and free schools.
Thanks for not having tollgates. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dandan
@DJ-Winner
"..........Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit... "
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Its though bro, evrything is upside down
EU is considering to relax sanctions having noted the progress of bla.ck farmrs in Zim after the land was taken over, now they are looking for apology knowing very well they are going to buy Zims product through China at 200x price
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why are you so afraid of truth,sanctions are being relaxed cos of the progress made by unity government and a new constitution being drafted Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dandan - The irony is that 'everyone owns the land' in Zimbabwe...
yet there is 95% unemployment, and over a million economic refugees in South Africa. And people blame 'sanctions' :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "We have the most stable economy in the world."
No we dont. In fact, per capita, we are the 3rd strongest economy in Africa.
"He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine"
But you have killed tens of thousands of babies and mothers by not proving them with the neccesary medical care.
"He has come up with National plaanning"
And told us nothing new.
"Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so"
After he instated the corrupt elements in the 1st place. Oh, and only because of the national outrage. Plenty of corrupt criminal elements still sitting in government.
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your reasoning is very unreasonable Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - In fact, the protestors in WCape should be marching to give thanks to the DA and for the people paying for their grants.
Thank you people of the WCape and Cape Town.
Thanks for our free electricity.
Thanks for our free water.
Thanks for our free housing and free schools.
Thanks for not having tollgates.
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Well, convince them. They seem frustrated, maybe you are lying about those things.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world?
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I dont travel but i read bro,Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
BlackSeed
And-Then
Don’t confuse Respect with accolades. Those two things are different
Respect has nothing to do with ones work; acknowledgement of ones efforts are recognized by either praises whilst the opposite by decent criticism.
Sinudeity_
Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...
And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the argument?
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One day you will understand the real meaning of ubuntu. Now respecting your elders is a cultural card? How sad. It is an irony to link Julius with respect. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Well, convince them. They seem frustrated, maybe you are lying about those things"
But you see what the problem is right? These people are not marching because of services or because of subsidies...
They are protesting because their party isnt running the city or the province. Report Abuse
stop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
@Sinudeity
You dont know what you talking about rather shutup, if wh.ite farmers were 1 500 owning the whole chunk of land before it was reannexed for plots and shared amongst 60 000 bla.ck farmers , what do you want Report Abuse
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world?
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I dont travel but i read bro,Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well
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You call 25% unemployment (in real terms about 45%) stable?
Europe has an unemployment rate of 11%. Europe is going through a cyclical & structural adjustment, does not mean its economy is in tatters. It is very difficult to grow a consolidated 16 trillion dollar DEVELOPED economy with a population on the decline. As far as i know, the US is growing. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dandan
@Nyongoyamavenda
stop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
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BAT is still buying Tobacco from Zimbabwe, they dont care if the farmer is black or white, as long as there is tobacco. Report Abuse
Dandan
@Nyongoyamavenda
stop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
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if speaking means i am dull then so be it,you forget one thing that when sanction were imposed all these minerals were there,you are are the one who is bublling rubbish**
I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
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This is where you seem to miss the point; the president brings his office into disrepute himself every time we here of another illegitimate child popping up somewhere or every time he engages in questionable sexual conduct or he does something stupid that has sexual implications. His latest blunder involves chauvinistic views on role of women in our country reducing half the population to sexual concubines who need marriage to be controlled.
Ayanda did not say that or do those things, Brett Murray didn't either. The president does this damage to himself and his office by himself, to turn around and accuse someone who is highlighting these facts as racist or irresponsible amounts to shooting the messenger.
Has it ever crossed your mind that had our president conducted himself as a responsible president should then these artists would have no justification for painting such art; just a thought.
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I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
really I cant believe it was the sanctions on paper nt in practice, keep on updating me gees , they are bragging about something they cant manage Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
... and in the process allowed China to dictate internal politics and who to invite to our country and whom not to invite. Before then we had a stellar foreign affairs policy with focus towards Africa. SA was invited to every G8 summit when Mbeki was president and he was held with high esteem. We held chairmanship of the UN Security Council and we were a global force in every respect.
When was the last time we were invited to a G8 summit, why do you think our participation has declined?
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
That is a bit optimistic. We weathered the crisis well but that is because of strong fundamentals like NCA which regulates the amount and type of credit provided. That we weathered the storm has nothing to do with Zuma and everything to do he inherited a strong economy and now growth has slowed down to 1% to 2% growth, we need growth of around 6% to address the backlog in housing and make a dent on unemployment.
The economy has shed jobs, promised growth and a reduction in unemployment has not materialised; in fact nothing that Zuma promised in the elections has materialised, absolutely nothing.
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
I’ll grant you this but this is common sense but kudos anyway
4.He has come up with National plaanning
He appointed brilliant Trevor to do that work. Have you read the plan and understood what Trevor and his team are proposing. If you understood the plan you would understand it highlights failings by the government i.e. cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, the list goes on.
You can credit Zuma for needless commissions to address a simple thing. It was obvious Cele was unfit for his position so Zuma wastes money so he can turn back and say blame the commission, not me for your sacking. The man looks for scapegoats where none are necessary. Another commission to highlight failings in the system that left 34 citizens dead and to apportion blame away from government.
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
Well let’s see. He is still president, the Limpopo cabal is still in power, R 22bn wasted by municipalities in a single year, municipalities are incapable of compiling and keeping financial records, corruption goes unabated.
Moreover he could not deal with Cele decisively, had to wait for Shiceka to pass away. Sheik is paroled and so is Selibi, McMaharaj is implicated in corruption and tax evasion yet he is his spokesperson.
Government refuses to name those who won e-tolling tenders and to what extent is the party benefitting.
I could go on and on crushing this point but I’m sure you get the point.
Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
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That right there is the problem...you dont just go and respect people bcos of their position in a family / community or country, they need to earn your respect.
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Let us agree to disagree. I respect everyone. That is how I was brought up and I do not judge people based on their behavior of lack of, period.
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
@BlackSeed
So even if your elder is all messed up and does everything he is not supposed to do, including having affairs outside of his marriage, you will continue to respect him, let’s say that elder is your dad for instance. Will you accept such behaviour or continue to respect him, just for the sake of him being your dad.
Such a person does not deserve my respect and will never get it...period
Your mind needs a transplant, not to mention a complete paradigm shift in your thinking - reasoning & basic application of logic.
@Sinudeity_
Dandan - What do i want?
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you dont have point defeated , Mugabe is a hero , champion of the poor Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dandan - LOL, so move to Zimbabwe then, if its so awesome there. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Makhosini0408
I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
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If he is abusive and irresponsible, certainly. On the flip side would you respect your father if he was a known pedophile and derived pleasure in raping kids as young at 2 years old?
I think not.
Point is you can't accuse someone of disrespect when they are making a statement of fact. If you don't like what is being said then change your behavior, suppressing critical voices is not the solution.
they were exported to Britain, stopped, another door was opened in East, flown , Chinnesse were impressed, they came back to SA to make proposal for infrasracture dev for SADEC region , they promised to fund the programme , until we saw Hillary Clinton and EU coming down on their knees pleading nt to abandon them Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dandan
@Nyongoyamavenda
they were exported to Britain, stopped, another door was opened in East, flown , Chinnesse were impressed, they came back to SA to make proposal for infrasracture dev for SADEC region , they promised to fund the programme , until we saw Hillary Clinton and EU coming down on their knees pleading nt to abandon them
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Dandan - The irony is, that most of the international quests who were invited by Mandela on his bday were Americans. Bill Clinton (wive of Hillary), was one of the 1st foreign guests to wish Mandela happy bday. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we werent it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
So in that case, I have your respect, all rapist, murderers, child molesters, woman abusers, thieves, corrupt officials, pedophiles and all unlawful citizens have your respect.
Because you respect everyone anyone.
btw....the way we were brought up is not always the right way, especially when it comes to our ability to think rationally and independently.
I dont believe in this mandela anymore , he sold us out , and is commercialised by west too much, my hero is Mugabe Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Makhosini0408
Dzel
Makhosini0408
I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
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If he is abusive and irresponsible, certainly. On the flip side would you respect your father if he was a known pedophile and derived pleasure in raping kids as young at 2 years old?
I think not.
Point is you can't accuse someone of disrespect when they are making a statement of fact. If you don't like what is being said then change your behavior, suppressing critical voices is not the solution.
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On the contrary I will respect my father, if he is a pedophile, but that does not mean that I condone or agree with his behavior. He is my father after all. I never said I agree with Zuma's conduct or behavior, after all, who am I to judge?
I do not know what you mean by saying that I am suppressing critical voices?
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we werent it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
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The economy is going to grow below 2% Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
WhatTheHack
Some comments on this blog are attention seeking........... Well i saw the pic i wish i could draw as well.
I wonder how presidents from other countries greet our Msholozi. "Hey i saw they drew another pic of your revolver how r u" Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda - "cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over"
So... the fault is more with the ANC than with Zuma? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MoNati
@Nyongoyamavenda
@DJ-Winner
Go read this: http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/why-we-rip-off-state-1.1370745
Then come back and tell us again about the ANC and the DA. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
madamx
What the hell is wrong with this guy?
Black and Stupid... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ancnduntsu
@Papage
It never rains but pours for our President, what did he do to derserve this? People, He is your President, show him some respect. or is this the work of the 3rd party?
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He must go back to Nklandla. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MoNati
My above comment is for all the BLIND anc followers. Report Abuse
I think you should think again about who is holding us down - the anc or the whites. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Makhosini0408
And-Then
Thank you very much. I am content with my upbringing and I salute my elders and the community for imparting that knowledge that even textbooks will not impart. It was priceless to say the least. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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MoNati
My above comment is for all the BLIND anc followers
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so what is your solution from you the visionary Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
WhatTheHack
Sinudeity>> yes corruption has always been there but it was not as prevalent, it is now because we have an indecisive president and ppl know they can get away with corruption and for some reason some within the ANC want him re-elected. So to answer yo q the problem is with both the ANC and Zuma. U c ,majority in our movement never got the chance to go to school and have a proper thought process. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
I think you should think again about who is holding us down - the anc or the whites
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ANC has ben infested by 'trojan comrades' but whites are also resisting a lot Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Makhosini0408
then we wonder why the country is in such mess Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dandan
@The-Rothschilds
FYI
Growth was set to slow to 2.6% this year from 3.1% last year, before accelerating to 3.4% next year, the IMF said in its 2012 article 4 consultation with SA. That compares with forecasts of 4 .2% for both years in the same report a year ago
The Treasury said it welcomed the IMF’s assessment that SA "has a stable and resilient economy but one that could do better".
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well we dont know where you get that dogs vomit of yours Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
Statement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand drivers of economies and recessions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was reckless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for well well we survived that.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a planning minister, that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a disaster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have failed to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no transparency.
Malema proposed nationalisation but that does not turn him into a politician to be admired does it?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know, fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future corruption and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corruption?
Insulting me is a waste of time and energy. Use that energy to read and comprehend comments better without preempting on them. Read to understand, not to respond.
I will never stop respecting the Elders and the younger ones; however, I will still talk to both within the same boundaries I would like them to engage me.
Just like you dispose of rotten apples, nature will do the same. Just be careful not to be a waste of the Earth Farm.
Joe, please close the door on your way out vs. Joe close the door is an example of how different people express themselves.
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
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The NCA doesnt create jobs or make money mate, its a regulation document, and im sure many white people had a part to play in the adoption of the national credit act Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Whit3s are resisting incompetence and corruption. You would also be resistant if you had idjits like Julius, Lamola, Manyi et al shout racist slogans at you on regular intervals. You would also be resistant if the majority of the country, keep on blaming you for their ills. You would also be resistant if the majority keeps wanting more free stuff, without doing anything for it. Or violent protests. I see a mother is in a coma when protestors threw a rock against her head. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Mbongo
Ayanda, you have joined those people who are out to undermine ANC by all means. This organisation is older than its detractors, it will survive and you will be dead. Change the surname which just not make sense in African manner. What is Mabulu? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
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The NCA doesnt create jobs or make money mate, its a regulation document, and im sure many white people had a part to play in the adoption of the national credit act
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actualy what are you trying to say bro Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Whit3s are resisting incompetence and corruption. You would also be resistant if you had idjits like Julius, Lamola, Manyi et al shout racist slogans at you on regular intervals. You would also be resistant if the majority of the country, keep on blaming you for their ills. You would also be resistant if the majority keeps wanting more free stuff, without doing anything for it. Or violent protests. I see a mother is in a coma when protestors threw a rock against her head.
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whta are doing is try to keep blacks at the bottom of the economy,i am also resting the retard JUJU Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
Statement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand drivers of economies and recessions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was reckless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for how well we survived that. Thank goodness we never had NINJA loans (no income, no job or assets) otherwise we would have been serious.sly shaken by the recession.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a pla.nning minister that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a di.saster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have fa.iled to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no transparency. Why do you think government is not telling us who benefitted from tenders, who the investors are, what returns are they getting and who is involved in the collection of fees, how the fees are split up between participants and why they cannot use a much simpler methods like a fuel levy.
Don’t you think the public has a right to know?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know; fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future corruption and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corruption?
You say that the South African economy is the most stable in the world, and begged to differ saying the unemployment figure alone is something unstable and you said that is ok because of apartheid it has always been that way and all the white people had the jobs reserved for them which actually means that if white people have all the jobs, then surely those working are keeping the country afloat and then you replied by saying white people are still racist...........................so what are you trying to say? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
Statement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand dr.ivers of economies and rec.essions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was rec.kless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for how well we survived that. Thank goodness we never had NINJA loans (no income, no job or assets) otherwise we would have been serious.sly shaken by the rec.ession.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a pla.nning minister that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a di.saster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have fa.iled to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no tran.sparency. Why do you think government is not telling us who benefitted from tenders, who the investors are, what returns are they getting and who is involved in the collection of fees, how the fees are split up between participants and why they cannot use a much simpler methods like a fuel levy.
Don’t you think the public has a right to know?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know; fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future prosecution and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corr.uption?
Nyongoyamavenda - "whta are doing is try to keep blacks at the bottom of the economy,i am also resting the retard JUJU"
By doing what? Not delivering textbooks? Not allowing 10,000 children to go to school because of protests? By buuurning down schools and libraries? By holding violent protests at universities?
No dude, its very convenient for you, for the ANC, to blame wh1tes.
But the truth is, you are keeping yourself out of the economy. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
Oh my. Is everyone still discussing JZ's bottom-front? You would swear that SA was absolute heaven with no REAL problems at all.
Otherwise why is it that, its the most easiest thing to draw, most artist have taken a sudden interest in depicting how Mr Pres look down there, i personally dont want to know or find out, i mean how old is Mr Pres? i am sure it does not look as it used to look when he was in his 20s. Report Abuse
I understand you are protecting Zuma either because you are an unapologetic ANC supporter, a Zuma fanatic or someone who benefits from keeping a poor government in place because of what is in it for you but you need to look at the bigger picture.
The danger with protecting a government that is performing this poorly is mediocre becomes the standard. Infrastructure will fall apart, soon we will be avoiding potholes, street will be filthy, sewage systems will fall apart as we continue making excuses. Truth is Zuma inherited a strong economy and a strong country, he is pulling these things one at a time. For every thousand rand stolen something is not being delivered and when the total sum annually is around R 35bn in total that is a lot of things that are not being done because someone is stealing money.
The textbooks saga has not been resolved, a new crisis came along and now focus is on that. The economy is not a good indicator because it largely concerns the private sector so I'd like us to assess public service in this I include amongst others policing, health, education, correctional services, all the departments under the direct control of government; how are we doing on these because they are a more accurate measure of government performance? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-toll
about all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda - Just a point of correction. White South Africans are not European or American. We are not responsible for the worldwide recession. Just like you are not responsible for genocide in Sudan or Congo, arright? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
How is it we always find the same people debating the same old things over and over and over... Pres penis hey? Why on earth? What is to gain? Then we all off to discuss SA economics? Someone can write a paper about how debates change on Sowetan and go so far off topic. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
The funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-toll
about all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries
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Perhaps you missed the statement that the Marikana Disaster has turned me off the ANC completely. Their response is disgusting, Malema needs to be commended for doing the right thing regardless of how self-serving his actions are. If I had a choice I would go for the most competent of them all, Trevor Manuel but because he is not involved in factionalism and cabals he is not considered good enough.
Yes the latest crisis originates from Europe, what is your point on this as I fail to follow your logic.
Do you know we do not have a national fingerprint database so lifting prints off at a crime scene an exercise in futility. I would have thought that is a basic crime fighting tool. Dockets are still not electronic. Police poorly trained and ill-equipped yet we spend billions on leases that make little sense.
Do you understand just how bad corruption would be had it not been for newspapers and media in general and they tried to silence those too.
Answer my question on public service and government deprtments; what has the ANC delivered of late?
Dzel - Marikana was really the last nail in the coffin for you. You are sounding like a DA supporter :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
Nyongo,
I understand you are protecting Zuma either because you are an unapologetic ANC supporter, a Zuma fanatic or someone who benefits from keeping a poor government in place because of what is in it for you but you need to look at the bigger picture.
The danger with protecting a government that is performing this poorly is mediocre becomes the standard. Infrastructure will fall apart, soon we will be avoiding potholes, street will be filthy, sewage systems will fall apart as we continue making excuses. Truth is Zuma inherited a strong economy and a strong country, he is pulling these things one at a time. For every thousand rand stolen something is not being delivered and when the total sum annually is around R 35bn in total that is a lot of things that are not being done because someone is stealing money.
The textbooks saga has not been resolved, a new crisis came along and now focus is on that. The economy is not a good indicator because it largely concerns the private sector so I'd like us to assess public service in this I include amongst others policing, health, education, correctional services, all the departments under the direct control of government; how are we doing on these because they are a more accurate measure of government performance?
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i am not blindlly protecting Zuma but my contention is that people focus on sex scandals only to judge him an that if Zuma is a failure that will automaticaly include Motlante cos he is part of the government
most of Zuma opponenents are people begrudging him after Polokwane,tell me you have never been a member of COPE
Lets say i agree that Zuma must go who will replace him in your view Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
pierre2012
To be honest, Mzansi needs some sort of 'dictatorship'. Rapists, murderers, disrespectiful idiots masqaurading as artists, all need to be handled with an iron hand, not 'treated' with kids gloves under the 'pretext democracy '. This so-called artist needs to be 'hu.nted' like the way the Americans are looking for wikileaks chap!! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
And-Then
Sinudeity_
yet Dzel denies being one....everyday i must add:-) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Marikana was really the last nail in the coffin for you. You are sounding like a DA supporter :P
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Well I am not about to vote for hypocrites, the DA is not about to address my concerns so they don't deserve my vote either.
So who deserves your vote, just being curious? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ManoftheSoil
@Danielrjvvuren- you sound like a reasonable dude...what do you think of comments from Sinudeity, you must read them all the time, do u think we should take him lightly as attention seeker, or you also don't see anything wrong..?
The people and its systems are simply replaceable, hence repetition of personnel and results. The only difference is that none of them agrees though because everyone thinks they are better than others.
Even the next generations will still be discussing the very same issues; similar with the repetition within religion, education, employment, matrimonial communions, etc.
We have had those that claimed intelligence before, we have them still today, but the same problems persist.
Mabulu why didn't you paint your father and your uncles? If you were not seeking attention. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
The funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-toll
about all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries
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Perhaps you missed the statement that the Marikana Disaster has turned me off the ANC completely. Their response is disgusting, Malema needs to be commended for doing the right thing regardless of how self-serving his actions are. If I had a choice I would go for the most competent of them all, Trevor Manuel but because he is not involved in factionalism and cabals he is not considered good enough.
Yes the latest crisis originates from Europe, what is your point on this as I fail to follow your logic.
Do you know we do not have a national fingerprint database so lifting prints off at a crime scene an exercise in futility. I would have thought that is a basic crime fighting tool. Dockets are still not electronic. Police poorly trained and ill-equipped yet we spend billions on leases that make little sense.
Do you understand just how bad corruption would be had it not been for newspapers and media in general and they tried to silence those too.
Answer my question on public service and government deprtments; what has the ANC delivered of late?
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Malema is just as opportunistic,he became a millionaire in a short space of time where did he get the money,he is just fighting to come back so he can continue to loot
my point is you put the importance of g8 so highly when it is actualy suppresing the growing economies like ours
Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
ManoftheSoil - Take me lightly at your own risk. The more the ANC f***s up the country, the less I care, and the more I will laugh at you for failing to do anything about it. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
ManoftheSoil
I will stay impartial in saying sometimes, in my view, it he does sound like a DA propagandist, but is that really a bad thing?
BlackSeed
The entire Sowetan has become a bore to me now. They take old stories wash them give them some mack-up and make entice us to make comments that are biased at best and either emotionally or politically charged all the time. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning"
And the houses are collapsing. Its been 18 years, and the government is still merely in the planning phase? in 40 years, the apartheid government rolled out power plants (even nuclear power plants), roads, highways etc. With a MUCH SMALLER budget. And here we are, 18 years down the line, and the ANC is still in planning phase. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
I am offended no one has offended me! Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
i am not blindlly protecting Zuma but my contention is that people focus on sex scandals only to judge him an that if Zuma is a failure that will automaticaly include Motlante cos he is part of the government most of Zuma opponenents are people begrudging him after Polokwane,tell me you have never been a member of COPE
Lets say i agree that Zuma must go who will replace him in your view
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I answered the question on leadership; Trevor Manuel and the rest should be appointed on competence and skill set but that is too much to ask of the ANC.
Post Polokwane I did lean towards COPE not because I am a Mbeki fanatic but because I did not like how the corruption charges Zuma faced were made to disappear, for me that was an eye opener regarding what was to follow and I have been proven right in every respect.
Sex scandals et al speaks to one's character hence they are important to me, a president who shows poor judgement on all things sexual will tend to show poor judgement in general because that is who they are, his conduct cannot be ignored as they make international headlines just like Italy's Berlusconi is famous for the wrong reasons.
We need a man who will turn many things around, Zuma is central to most problems we face therefore cannot be the right person to lead.
Sinudeity- blah blah blah..one thing I have noticed is that you are a liar, with your selective facts, but mostly you are a big fat pale liar..liar liar, do u even have chlidren , i amsure they have told you that.LIAR !! get out of this site and find sumthing to do, play with your puppy or something, since u not lazy ..LIAR Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Dont care if you vote/dont vote DA. But at least we have one more person fighting against incompetence and corruption.
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Sinudeity_
And the houses are collapsing. Its been 18 years, and the government is still merely in the planning phase? in 40 years, the apartheid government rolled out power plants (even nuclear power plants), roads, highways etc. With a MUCH SMALLER budget. And here we are, 18 years down the line, and the ANC is still in planning phase.
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they should have done more considering that they were catering for the minority and using blacks as cheap labour Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
ManoftheSoil - LOL
Just another ANC/ANCYL fanboy, throwing statements around without any proof to it. Just like the dude who said I called him the k-word, but couldnt find any evidence...
Nyongoyamavenda - "they should have done more considering that they were catering for the minority and using blacks as cheap labour"
And yet, the facilities that the apartheid government built are still powering our houses today. With no additional energy plants built by the ANC government.
Anyways, the point I was making:
The ANC government is FOREVER planning, but NEVER implementing. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dzel - "while fighting hypocrisy on the other hand."
sounds like you are offended
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Yes I am boss thanks... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- blah blah blah..one thing I have noticed is that you are a liar, with your selective facts, but mostly you are a big fat pale liar..liar liar, do u even have chlidren , i amsure they have told you that.LIAR !! get out of this site and find sumthing to do, play with your puppy or something, since u not lazy ..LIAR
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i find it difficult to discuss with him sometymes ,he desperate and pull everthing just as long as he gets going Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIAR Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
And-Then
yet Dzel denies being one....everyday i must add:-)
So who deserves your vote, just being curious?
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You know I am still sad COPE messed up as much as they did; all that goodwill has now gone out of the window.
Who looks like they are best placed; I’ll be honest with you bar my concerns how the DA treats its black members and their unwillingness to change I would say they are the best option out there by far on critical points. Let us not pretend the ANC is in the same category cause they are not.
That is another party that needs a leader who is going to take it past its current thinking. They seem stuck in apartheid mentality that says black people have to be kept poor and paid just enough to keep them supplying markets with cheap and easily replaceable labour.
Under the DA silly dismissals like the Empangeni KFC dismissal – for bringing food to work nogal – would be common place, I can’t vote for a party that this is OK. But it still does not change the fact that the ANC is but a shadow of its glorious self, sometimes the only resemblance left is in name alone.
ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIAR
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yes you can lie a lot as well,deliberatly to deceive us Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Nyongoyamavenda
ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIAR
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yes you can lie a lot as well,deliberatly to deceive us
i mean Sinu Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
ManoftheSoil - "but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid"
No, you are just putting words in my mouth now.
Hehe, Im not from Pretoria my son, living in Cape Town. Thought you would have picked this up by now. I was 10 years old during the 1st democratic elections in 1994. So the apartheid card is moot against me :P I dont care, not do i care about your freedom fighters. They are not holy cows to me. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Hehehe, an ANC fanboy, and Zuma/Malema lover calling me a liar?
Sinudeity- you were 10 years old son in 1994, damm so where do you get this sick mentality boikie, go outside and play in your pool or backyard tennis court previledged boy .. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
BlackSeed
Danielrjvvuren
Sowetan is simply making money. Without controversy, Sowetan and Political parties wouldn’t exist.
ManoftheSoil - "you were 10 years old son in 1994, damm so where do you get this sick mentality boikie, go outside and play in your pool or backyard tennis court previledged boy"
LOL, or I could just go play with the 10 mines I supposedly own. Or the 5 corporations I manage in my spare time :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Nyongoyamavenda
Malema is just as opportunistic,he became a millionaire in a short space of time where did he get the money,he is just fighting to come back so he can continue to loot
Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning
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Malema - we all know he is corrupt but that does not change the fact that Zuma is a poor leader. Friend of YL hjave targeted this weakness to expose Zuma like he has been exposed on the Lonmin incident.
I am sure it stung like hell for government to organise a stage, catering, etc for the public to turn their backs on the ANC forcing government ministers to go to a marquee organised and paid for by Malema whom miners and their families have embraced completely. I can't think of a better way to expose Zuma plus he is not man enough to attend the memorial because he knows the nation is angry at government, the president has been reduced to avoid public engagements because he fears a backlash, that speaks volumes.
Housing is a tricky one because of private sector involvement in building housing units. I wish banks took credit for these projects where they are responsible because credit goes to the wrong people. In 1994 the housing backlog was estimated at 2.4 million housing units, this figure stands at 2.1 million currently so little has been done to address the backlog. If people understood these stats they would understand why the statement is misleading.
BlackSeed
There I agree with you. In the end if we did not give publicity to some they would wither away without a sound. Take this very article, if it was never written only a select view would know about the presidents penis being on display again, what ever happened to those men who "defiled" the spear? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Nevermind the fact that Tokyo had to fork out a couple of billion (R3 billion?) just to repair existing RDP housing. Then we see that the DA built 3x more housing than what the ANC could, in the same amount of time, at the same cost...
Same as what Im doing :P
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No you would sell your own mother to the devil if it meant you winning an argument but I don't want to start that debate again as it will take the whole day :-)
have you ever heard of the K.I.S.S method.....you have so much to say everyday.
start putting those words of yours into action. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dzel - You would sell your mother to win a debate against me :) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Yotywa
I wonder what must I do for these artist to also draw mine.... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Nevermind the fact that Tokyo had to fork out a couple of billion (R3 billion?) just to repair existing RDP housing. Then we see that the DA built 3x more housing than what the ANC could, in the same amount of time, at the same cost...
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... and the DA things shantytowns should be the new mode of delivering housing, build shacks all over the place and give it to blacks as government built houses. Might I remind you I have not changed my views on the DA.
I'd also like to challenge your claim; which developments, how many units were delivered, when and at what cost. The people of Khayelitsha still live in the same shacks they have lived in for decades. You can't miss the shacks driving from the airport or Stellenbosch towards the CBD.
Dzel - "...and the DA things shantytowns should be the new mode of delivering housing, build shacks all over the place and give it to blacks as government built houses."
LOL, come on dude. You know that the DA aint building shacks. Those shacks are built by the million+ people moving into the city. The shantytowns are not built by government (irrispective of what Dzel tells you).
"'d also like to challenge your claim; which developments, how many units were delivered, when and at what cost."
LOL, the irony is, Ive posted these exact same stats to you before. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Some stats:
DA took over the reigns of governance in Cape Town from the ANC,the Western Cape had grown remarkably fast economically and otherwise in that it's GDP for Cape Town rose by more than 130% from the R116.6billion when the ANC controlled the Western Cape to R269billion in 2011.
The DA had managed to reduced the rate of unemployment in the Western Cape from 21.7% to just under 17%.
Service delivery in the entire Western Cape has risen to above the 15% mark compared to the rest of the country and Cape Town city debt levels have been reduced to under the R1billion mark since the DA took charge of the Province.
The DA has increased broadrange housing delivery annually to 7000 units,whereas the ANC could only managed to increase it to 3000 units annually in Cape Town when they were in charge. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Re-post them again Sin, I honestly don't recall you posting the said stats. What I remember is a statement making this claim without specifics which is not good enough.
By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity.
Dzel - "By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity. "
Hehe, did you see who accuses me of being 'dishonest'? The same persons who have been praise singing Zuma :P Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Some stats:
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With you I have to check your source if you don't mind, please post your link(s) from an independent source.
Sinudeity_
Dzel - "By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity. "
Hehe, did you see who accuses me of being 'dishonest'? The same persons who have been praise singing Zuma :P
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dats what he always do ,diverting isues untill you dont what really you are talking about,whether somebody is for or gainst Zuma that s is not the issue ,everyone has a right to his opinion Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
Danielrjvvuren
I predict a pattern!
Dzel
Sinudeity
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lol and they are both stubborn. they both h ate losing an argument..*sighs* its gonna be one long day Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "everyone has a right to his opinion"
But some people should be silenced right?
Galfrend / Danielrjvvuren - Hehe, that I agree with. Dzel and I both hate losing an argument
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silenced...yes you are one of them
its not about winning or loosing but about how much you can argue about facts not jus an emotional hoolabaloo Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - I always argue with fact. The problem is, you think the right way is always the black/ANC way. Therefore, anybody who doesnt agree is a 'liar'. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
I was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
MommaC: Cock and bull stories, as it were...... Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
RobinH
With the current SA problem of nervous goats, sheep, dogs etc - I don't know that putting the cock and the bull together is such a good idea Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
Sin - dont stop now. I was reading,you kept me entertained.So who won this round?
Nyongo - Sinu is stubborn stubborn very stubborn Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
RobinH
MommaC: Why, do you reckon the bulls are chicken? Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
RobinH
If they have any intelligence at all, they'd be nervous as all hells Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Galfrend
MommaC
I was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :)
I was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :)
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lol and they are both stubborn. they both h ate losing an argument..*sighs* its gonna be one long day
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The thing about me is I will debate a point I believe in very hard but I would like to think of myself as objective and debating to exchange opinions and will readily accept I am wrong or concede a point when a valid point is being made.
The opposite of that is shifting goal posts, diverting attention or presenting fabrications when all else fails. I don't like lying nor would I deliberately distort fact just to appear like I am winning. the exchange of opinion is more important for me; if that counts as being stubborn then I'm guilty as charged.
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - I always argue with fact. The problem is, you think the right way is always the black/ANC way. Therefore, anybody who doesnt agree is a 'liar'.
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you are lways emotional i am sure you were raised by a single mother,you tend to femine,at first i thought you are a lady
you dont have to agree with me to make ,but you to convince me through hard facts that s what debate is all about not about winning at all cost icluding using half truths and deviations Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
By the way Sin I followed your link and do not see the stats you've presented but we have this debate all the time; it is tiring especially when some of us will duck and dive [prolonging what should be a straight forward discussion.
We don't agree on anything, it is just that perhaps this is not worth the effort.
DZL - Im saying you are stubborn in the sense that its very difficult to change your mind once you have set your mind into something,just like Sinuedity. That is why I didnt even bother engaging with you earlier because I knew you wouldnt even consider my comments.Instead you would dig more to show how baseless my argument is. I like your debating style though,it never turns personal . Report Abuse
Got it ... I'd like to think my opinions are sound though, no point in being stubborn when you are wrong, in fact that defeats the purpose but ngiyezwa ukuthi uthini.
@Dzel, Sinudeity et al, stop extrapolating this simple debate about "another spear". This issue is not about Marikana, Zuma's perfomance as president, whether the DA or ANC are the best or any of such like bollocks. This is about human dignity. During the debate about the Spear, a lot of nonsense was said about Zuma, the ANC, blacks, white, yellow and purple people, mostly the opinions where irrelevant to the fact in issue.
I am proposing that we stick to the point; is it freedom of speech or abuse thereof? Instead of focusing on Zuma or his cultural practices or "cultural weapon", for a change let us look at the artists and ask the necessary questions.
What kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k? I know Makhosini doesn't, do you Sinudeity? What about you Dzel?
What kind of man will go further and invest their valuable time by taking a brush and paint to translate their sordid and rotten thoughts on canvass, thereafter calling such garbage "art"?
The psychologigal mark-up of these so-called "artists" should be our point of focus. Is there no professional help for such people whose brains are filled with penisses?
Not big on art appreciation then?
Stick to photos on your walls - much less thought provoking. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Sinudeity_
JohnStone - "What kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k?"
Of course not. Thats why were discussing housing, and whatnot. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
JohnStone
What kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k? I know Makhosini doesn't, do you Sinudeity? What about you Dzel?
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The issue is one of understanding art, symbolism and how to get the point across using imagery. You see a naked man when I see a number of things. The King is Naked, do you know and understand that story. How about the penis being a symbol of power and control, do you get parallels between the penis and umshini 'wam (Zuma's own tagline). In shot what is your understanding of art in general and what role it plays in society both as a medium and a piece of work.
Do you understand poetry, this you do comprehension exercises at school, did you ever have to interpret a film, discuss film shots and directing, etc ,etc.
I think the problem is one of understanding, most people look at these paintings from a literal perspective rather than understanding the message. Perhaps I am fortunate I did art as a subject at school or perhaps it was the school that encouraged independent thought and equipped us with those skills but it is clear you and I do not see the same thing when looking at the painting.
I seek to understand the message the artist is trying to convey, you see a penis and nothing else. Who do you think is better positioned to comment?
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Sjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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I think you completely misunderstood what Sjamolelo was saying, and in retrospect I concur. UMontlantle uyavilaphisa nje umbhekile, worse when he starts speaking. He lacks the charisma and enthusiasm of Tokyo, Mandela and JZ. Report Abuse
You can only teach someone who is willing to listen.
We had the exact same conversations with the exact same people when Murray had his painting in the news and the same story for at least half a dozen Zapiro cartoons. I sometimes just get very tired of hitting my head against a brick wall Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
JohnStone
@Dzel
I think the problem is one of understanding, most people look at these paintings from a literal perspective rather than understanding the message. Perhaps I am fortunate I did art as a subject at school or perhaps it was the school that encouraged independent thought and equipped us with those skills but it is clear you and I do not see the same thing when looking at the painting
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Would you walk in the streets naked and expect people to "God's art" and not your dangling equipment?. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Bebesocs
@nobnob Mabulu could not draw his father's or uncle he is on a business venture here, to fetch money for him should have drawn all those who marched to the museum...if he had drawn Mantashe and Nzimande's jewels by now he would be getting 7 million Rand offer, try the two.
Malema should also follow.
@sowetan... we are still talking about the deaths of Lonmin but now you distract our minds with such sad thing. Ayanda Mabulu we want more, we want more, we want more. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
MommaC
See, Told ya Dzel :)
Some people understand jazz and some people are happier sticking to folk songs. Thats all cool but it gets a bit exasperating when the folk song lover tries to tell you how to listen to jazz. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
Bebesocs
@sowetan for the benefit of the people with sight problems can you please enlarge this lovely drawing, there are people who want to offer more than 75,000, enlarge the drawing please. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Johnstone
What kind of man will go further and invest their valuable time by taking a brush and paint to translate their sordid and rotten thoughts on canvass, thereafter calling such garbage "art"?
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people,you have the right to freedom of expression and that is inteligible, but try to atleast respect the dignity of other people, especially the face of the country, mr president.
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Aug 28, 2012
Dzel
JohnStone
Would you walk in the streets naked and expect people to "God's art" and not your dangling equipment?.
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It’s unfortunate you read my post but did not understand a single word I wrote.
If you understand what these words mean you would not asked the question you asked. I can only teach if people are willing to learn, clearly you aren’t willing to learn or look at this from a different perspective.
people,you have the right to freedom of expression and that is inteligible, but try to atleast respect the dignity of other people, especially the face of the country, mr president.
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I keep on getting back to the same point; Zuma does more damage to his dignity in a single week than Ayanda could in an entire year, if you are so concerned about Zuma's dignity perhaps you should write letters to him asking him to act like a president should.
lets see if the artist receives the same treatment as murray, if he does not then zoom zoom is just plain r.a.c.i.s.t, straight
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They must start with Zapiro, there were a murmurs here and there and it all went silent very quickly because Zapiro and the M&G are not as easily intimidated as Murray and City Press was.
I'd be surprised if they make noise on this one, remember they can't use the race card this time around.
shame this ppl are so cruel how can they expose MmaKhumalo's food like that phela this machine is foever shooting even dangerouse cakes that are posetive it shoots,,,but the art is nice nice Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
viva
"Fortunately JZ way of thinking is much above these silly attacks on him, Artists with intergrity will never paint such provocative art as we see it from musicians none of the good musicians in SA have written ugly songs about the president. He may have failed on certain issues but he doesn't deserve this king of defamation. The whites have always disrespected blacks but when it comes from a blackman its kind of shocking. Probably this young man is paid by a third party to protect the previous painting. This has nothing to do with JZ fit or not fit this is pure insult. Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
viva
What kind of men are these who will spend time drawing another man s penis? Maybe izi tabane lezi (gay) Report Abuse
Aug 28, 2012
spatch
Still waiting for some artist to get inspirations to paint Winnies ku ku Report Abuse
this shows how people feel when you think your a man , taking a team of wifes Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Mamlambo
viva.. kikiki.... if a white man paints it, whites are disrespectful of all black people. If a black man paints it, must be a white man paid him to paint it. i hate these whites. Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Tlalisto
This guy must just go and paint his Father's ass man. sy moer. Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Tang
aaaah cumon guys u giving him more points on scoring more woman...........wat ta hell is wrong wit you, dats realy not a piece of african't to african in Africa. i bet somebody did it for and used ur assss as domasss!!!!!
looks so not proud of being black, watever man get urself sum surgery like Jackson, u can be more famous too. your work sucks like cholestoerol broer. this aint real african work man......wanna attack da president attac him wise man.....dis not "DIS" only him but our country as well dickhead.
ooooh by way talk to him if u want a piece of his pennis, blowjob or something n then get excitement u want with his P................. Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Gamamabolo
TALK OF DISRESPECTING. i wonder if he has a painting of his dad's nakedness.Can guts- filled Limpopoans travel again to destroy (as happened at the gallery in Rosebank) this shameful character assasination by the so called artist. Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Tlalisto
i think this guy o batla Senzo and Jason ba mo ikadime for a night. Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
jono08
My word can't these artist leave Zuma alone... Lack of inspiration, now they use their talent as a weapon of humiliation Report Abuse
Aug 29, 2012
Tlalisto
i just read an article on IOL. this artist is saying that he have drawn penises most of his life.
am asking myself if he also have drawn his Father's Penis also and if so he must shaw the painting of his father to the rest of the world.
what's wrong with us south african,s private parts are private.
this people batsuba zolo, a bana respect at all. why don't they paint their own penis . Report Abuse
Aug 30, 2012
M'Lungu
Eish! The Prez appears to suffer from constipation as well - judging by his facial expression! Report Abuse
Aug 31, 2012
xanthia
This is really irritating, if its all abt art and expressing your selves why not paint his( Mabulu) fathers penis? or better yet why not his own? Really we are taking this freedom of expression too far... do these people think abt Zuma's family? Report Abuse
Aug 31, 2012
xanthia
funny how things like these are never written or painted about Hellen Zille, i she is not a saint... Report Abuse
Aug 31, 2012
M'Lungu
Hau! Zille does not have a penis - but she does have a very good brain! ( And it appears very "big balls" as well!) I agree maybe Mabulu must use his own penis to paint his father's penis - the end result will be a"lekker pi@lle" painting!
The President is entitled to some respect please! ( Altough he sings a very simple song about a machine gun whilst he cavorts around dressed in animal skins!)
The rest of the world must really think we are special - to have within our midst people like our President and the Limpopo Loafer - and the most scary thought! - they are allowed to reproduce! Report Abuse
Nov 22, 2012
PolyTix
....I wish for the day we don't have to read about the spermanator..... Report Abuse
Nov 22, 2012
STRAIGHTTALK3
IS Ayanda Mabulu A MALE OR FEMALE? I WOUNDER WHETHER HE HAS A THOUGHT OF DIFFERENT PENIS SIZES! IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A WIFE, IT MUST BE JUST BE A NIPPLES' SIZE, IF YOU HAVE ONE WIFE, MAYBE THE SIZE OF THE SMALLEST FINGER, TWO OR MORE WIFES, AN AVERAGE ONE. SO ABULU, IF YOU ARE A MALE WHERE DO YOU FIT? I GUESS A NIPPLE SIZE KIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKKI Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2013
SHIZNIZ123
THE SPEAR OF THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Report Abuse
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Papage
It never rains but pours for our President, what did he do to derserve this? People, He is your President, show him some respect. or is this the work of the 3rd party?Report Abuse
Kaylae
KIKIKIKIKIIIIIIII#dead with laughter# Zuma's facial expression on this pictureReport Abuse
DJ-Winner
Attention seeker...I think his life is miserable and we all know misery needs company.Report Abuse
Papage
This time he must sue Sowetan, how could they come up with such topic"Zuma penis on show again! I wonder if this is the work of the new Editor in ChiefReport Abuse
Rockwell
Here's another Artist seeking attention..Report Abuse
cornelius
Why are some people obsessed with JZ's spear ? Why do artists think they should have more leeway than others in invading the privacy of others ? Please, can we go back to an era when common decency still meant something ?Report Abuse
MommaC
LOLAyanda, you racist :)
I must admit, I do like Ayanda Mabulu's art. His technique is very elegant.
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RobinH
OK This is going to be interesting. The "white insulting black culture" warcry that was so loudly and mindlessly the last time doesn't apply here. Let's see what angle the blind idol-worshippers and party apparatchiks will try and push this time.Report Abuse
lindsay
comeon people we are really tired of Zuma's penis can't you paint something else i agree we pay for its work but do we have to see it please get some other inspiration . the penis is not public property it is private lets keep it like that.nxaReport Abuse
ThirdEye
No amount of explaining from the artist that will stop Jackson Mthembu & the rest to denounce the artist. They will even accuse him of being unafrican.watch the space.
as for the painting, for me the more they embarras Zuma the more people see that he is not fit to be our president for another term.
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candilious
Ja nee ....en die storie gaan aanReport Abuse
lindsay
@RobinHthey will say "don't buy Sowetan don't buy" in a rap style
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candilious
@Lindsay heheheheheheh LolReport Abuse
MissBhakajuju
Bosso ke P* ya JZ, its forever in the headlines !!! i rest my 'suitcase'Report Abuse
Galfrend
MommaCLOL
Ayanda, you racist :)
I must admit, I do like Ayanda Mabulu's art. His technique is very elegant.
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Of course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there.
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RobinH
Lilndsay: The way JZ so rampantly swings his club at every moving female makes his rather public, I'm afraid.ThirdEye: I agree with what you say. Just one small point though. The artist this time is female, and black.
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Dzel
Well done Ayanda, you know the irony is when The Spear became a topic of discussion some of us pointed out the hypocrisy given Ayanda paintings and the ANC ignored that point.Now that he has done it again they are either forced to respond or will be exposed for what they are.
Bottom-line; bullying galleries and artists is not a good idea because it only fuels protest paintings. Zapiro drew a naked Zuma in protest but murmurs down very quickly, now I want to hear them call Ayanda a racist. I like that he is using culture to explain and justify the painting, classic LOL!
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Limpopoist
What wrong with these man in animal skinReport Abuse
finidi
AmenReport Abuse
Papage
corneliusWhy are some people obsessed with JZ's spear ? Why do artists think they should have more leeway than others in invading the privacy of others ? Please, can we go back to an era when common decency still meant something ?
It is because theirs are so small, they can't help themselves, when ercted is like my small toe.
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Dzel
GalfrendOf course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there.
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You know when a country has lost all respect for its president the honorable thing to do would be to resign. This is retaliation for bullying the art fraternity, Zuma asked for this when he threw his weight around.
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Charley4sure
How did Ayanda drew the president penis? I demand a judicial commision of enquiry to investigate this.Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
I wish there could be exhibitions such as these in Limpopo, NW, NC and EC. Of cos about moegoe Zuma...........................Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
Let's see if he's going to cancel his trip to Botswana.............lolReport Abuse
RobinH
Papage: Because it symbolises the way the man thinks. Poor man has to weild his willy as much as possible to prove himself a man. Real men don't need to.Report Abuse
Bumnandibungaphansikwesdwaba
I personally dont like Msholozi, but this is nonsense, he is our president and we must all respect that, other than that he is a father. people must learn to respect other people's rights.Report Abuse
MommaC
GalfrendI haven't seen this painting so I don't know if I like this particular one or not. I do, however, like his style of painting. If you have never seen any of his other paintings, you may want to try google them as they are well worth seeing
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Msiphos00
If I were Zuma I would resign and let all these talkative rats take over and run the country see if they can do better nxxxxxReport Abuse
Sjamolelo
How trivial!! frivolous and so boring.Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
NwanawamukalahaI wish there could be exhibitions such as these in Limpopo, NW, NC and EC. Of cos about moegoe Zuma...........................
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LMAO..... hahahahahahahaha, tltltltltltltlttllttltltl , down on the floor !!!!!
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Mmaditopo
Sowetan, stop being so dramatic! Why are people so fascinated by Zuma's penis really, it must be very unique!Report Abuse
MommaC
Found the painting :)volksblad.com
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ThirdEye
It will be very interesting, the culture that the Artist talked about will be used against her. She will be accused of being uncultured, disrespectful.I also believe that Zuma also bring unnecessary attention to himself, the typical example is his latest interview with Dali Tambo on People of the South when he talk about women & children.
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Galfrend
DzelGalfrend
Of course you would like it.anything that mocks Zumma is exciting to you and your brother over there.
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You know when a country has lost all respect for its president the honorable thing to do would be to resign. This is retaliation for bullying the art fraternity, Zuma asked for this when he threw his weight around.
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At the end of the day, he is a human being just like you and me with feelings. A father. What about his right of privacy ? He has faults just like everybody else. Ayanda is just an attention seeker who wants to make a quick buck. You know whats even more sad? its when our very own people turn their backs on their fellow brothers and kiss assses of the other race i wont mention by name. The very same culture she uses to justify this stup!d painting, teaches us to respect our elders. It teaches us ubuntu, it does not teach us to paint or discuss private parts of the elders. So her using the culture thing as an excuse,is just BS!
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Sjamolelo
why not my penis or the next man's for that matter? lets move on maanReport Abuse
Skopokopo
Morning All!Hala Galfrend!!
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Mmaditopo
I am now really convinced he has a golden banana.Report Abuse
SHOWMAN
I wonder if Mr Mabulu is really Black cause really in this democracy we dont need this shame.Why dont you expose your fathers maybe it will make sence,You are a nonsence...............Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Msiphos00If I were Zuma I would resign and let all these talkative rats take over and run the country see if they can do better nxxxxx
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Some are failing to govern even 1 province.....DA is only serving white people in the CBD and is failing black people in the townships. We have strikes every week.
I wish Zuma can reject the nomination in October, so we can see how their Mothlante do. Revenge is a must, we will be on his back until he resigns....I hope he knows what to do.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Guys,In the first picture is that JZ's spear in between the "leopard tails"
@Mommac
Ayanda is quite a stirrer, have you seen The Star's front page???
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Galfrend
MommaCGalfrend
I haven't seen this painting so I don't know if I like this particular one or not. I do, however, like his style of painting. If you have never seen any of his other paintings, you may want to try google them as they are well worth seeing
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No thank you. Where I come from we are taught to respect our elders. I dont think watching penises of elderly men is amusing. Its actually disrecpectful and an invasion to one's privacy. I will pass.
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DJ-Winner
SHOWMANI wonder if Mr Mabulu is really Black cause really in this democracy we dont need this shame.Why dont you expose your fathers maybe it will make sence,You are a nonsence...............
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He thinks he is white. Some people are brainwashed to the core....
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tpaz
Pic 1- face of a man who is about to cum.Report Abuse
ntiki
shower head need sympathy from people tsekReport Abuse
And-Then
should be interesting to see how this unfolds.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Oh, Nooo! the First Organ is making waves again!!!!!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraNot yet - but thanks for the direction :)
That young man has a lot of talent - especially for being controversial
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Charley4sureHow did Ayanda drew the president penis? I demand a judicial commision of enquiry to investigate this.
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Dont forget a task team
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RobinH
Showman: Now that really is one of the more ridiculous statements of the day. You show your gross ignorance, Sir. Oh my, and DJ has joined you. Why am I not surprised. La-laa land here we come.Report Abuse
MommaC
GalfrendIt is a PAINTING. Nobody is asking you to go look up Zuma's skirt for yourself.
Throughout history, the phallus or a phallic symbol has been used in art to represent power and its misuse.
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cornelius
@ DJWInner , so even if a bl.ack person offends, you blame it on whi.tes. You seem to have a hatred that is clouding common sense.Re the DA and Cape Town. Please answer this question honestly : Do you really believe theservice delivery in bl.ack townships in the WC is worse than in other provinces ? Truthfully please.
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swona
he is racist! Ayanda is racist! waiting for Blade's comment! with that angry voice!Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
@DJ-WinnerHi my friend, its been a long while..........
Motlhante is the main man for the presidency, whether we like it or not, his calm nature is also good for the position, not somoene who fumes @ everything that is said about him:
Cape Town Student beaten, for waving at the Blue light convoy !
Business Men taken to court for spilling ices on 'someone' !
Attempts to shut the City Press for publishing what is obvious !
Vandalising of the Gallery, for displaying their Art!
Not to mention the insults showered @ everyone who dares to ask about his misuse of our Tax funds !!!
the list goes on and on....... so you decide if we need somoene, who kicks the Player instead of the Ball.
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Smi
this is unfair to the people of SA and to the president,artist should be disciplinedfor their negative paints.i think a 3rd party is involved here!the president needs to focus
on serious issues for the road to mangaung as these r attempts to distract him
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Hosh6
This Ayanda dude has no respect for his elders.Report Abuse
munhu
Wish these dudes can also do us a Mugabe spear. I wonder what it would look like, maybe like goose's.Report Abuse
Galfrend
Skopo - Morning hun..long timeMommaC - its the same thing.
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Lehido
Iyho....It looks like Zuma's stick is famous, women likes it, even men............Report Abuse
Sjamolelo
The operative word here should be RESPECT regardless of your creed,politcal affiliation,sexual orientation.i am not a fan of Jz but he deserves respect as a human being seriously it is painful to his family all this expose's
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Galfrend
munhu - - lol..anyway I just hope this time around the painting wont create so much noise like that Murray's one.
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Sinudeity_
This artist thinks he's superior to South Africans, and hes using the painting to spread his RACIST tendencies!Wait, what...
The artist is black?
Um...
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DJ-Winner
MissBhakajuju@DJ-Winner
Hi my friend, its been a long while..........
Motlhante is the main man for the presidency, whether we like it or not, his calm nature is also good for the position, not somoene who fumes @ everything that is said about him
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What is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist....
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MommaC
GalfrendIf you think so then you aren't very experienced.
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Moffdat
WHY WHY WHYGet off JZ's d.. and ride someone elses coat tails.
some people are so intent on getting famous that they will do anything.
GET OF JAY's D.C!!!!
Bl00dy agent!!! tjatjarag to the core
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skhokho21
Cornelius, better or worse, does that mean people in WC must not protest, get it in your head, there are no services in the townships, instead of assisting the schools that are doing bad, she prefares to hide them by closing them down. You w hites talk about services, there is nothing in the township only in your areas.This Ayanda fool, must tell us when he does not agree with his mother/father, does he draw pictures of them naked to put his message across. Some sell outs need to be taken out permanantly. I might not be a fan of the 2nd term for JZ but this is out of order, there is nothing cultural about this attention seeker, some nut head should paint him with a bullet in his forehead if that is the artistic language he understands.
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thandoluhle
Zuma is a disgrace to SAwhich other president in the world SLEEPS WITH HIS FRIENDS DAUGHTER??????
he is a bad example to our boys especially as SA has the largest HIV rates worldwide.
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Sjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jzReport Abuse
Sinudeity_
Sjamolelo - "it is painful to his family all this expose's"I dont think anyone cares.
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TPC
Y ALWYS ZUMA & HIS PRIVATE PARTS..M TIRED OF THAT MAN SIES................OUTReport Abuse
sh!tFaceSamsung
Mmaditopo""I am now really convinced he has a golden banana.""
kikikikikikikikikikikikiki .. ok guys let me finish laughing
i think te artist want to use zuma goldenbanana for wrong reasons : to gain publicity & fame : its nonsense to claim that by letting his golden banana exposed it shows respect or whatsoever
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P4T
It is a good thing when the nation speak out against what they view as bad. Now can we all do the same against corruption, nepotism, lack of service delivery and especially the appalling education given to Africans?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
cornelius@ DJWInner , so even if a bl.ack person offends, you blame it on whi.tes. You seem to have a hatred that is clouding common sense.
Re the DA and Cape Town. Please answer this question honestly : Do you really believe theservice delivery in bl.ack townships in the WC is worse than in other provinces ? Truthfully please.
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Well, I don't blame white people. I was adding to @Msiphos00 comment. If you follow that comment, you will understand.
Well, we look at the levels and the frequency of strikes. Maybe you can answer your question...
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MissBhakajuju
DJ-WinnerWhat is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist
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Manuel would have made a good Mayor for Cape Town, he's fortunate to have been in the position as a Minister.
He's just a little puppy, that buggs too loud.
Motlanthe doesn't have to prove any point, he's a Deputy Pres. so he understands that he also has to respect the Government & the ANC, we can only start questioning him, after he takes over as a president.
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Dandan
@MissBhakajujumisbhakajuju, what a joke as I told I have problem with ladies zako flatten last month I met this beautiful lady I asked her for a date she agreed the other day I jump to her flat she was with a man, are you telling me must I add on hiv/aids stats , you told me pros are at risk compared to ladies zako flatten , what is that
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Galfrend
mommac - in what? nude paintings?skhokho21
This Ayanda fool, must tell us when he does not agree with his mother/father, does he draw pictures of them naked to put his message across. Some sell outs need to be taken out permanantly. I might not be a fan of the 2nd term for JZ but this is out of order, there is nothing cultural about this attention seeker, some nut head should paint him with a bullet in his forehead if that is the artistic language he understands.
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well said
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Eraser
I have never seen a president ya (mogwanti so), SA is fallin apart yena o busy wa (fereya, wa nyala) and busy making babies..NO wonder they paint his mshini..its more out on the pants thn his tongue..Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Sjamolelo@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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No. It is only because he is from your tribe. Do you really think he is better than Trevor Manual?
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MommaC
Oh come on people. Ayanda has used the phallic symbol to put his point across in paintings ranging from Eugene Terblance to Donald Duck. It isn't about the race of the person, it is about the commentary on his perspective of the world.How many of us have said that Zuma should keep his pants zipped? Do we think that the pants need to be zipped because there is nothing within those pants? Paintings are simply a visual representation of a concept - not the real thing. Even little missy Girlfriend can't get preggies from looking at a painting
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ndhandhazi
SOWETAN, IT IS NOT ZUMA'S PENIS. It is a painted picture resembling ZUMA's penis. Strong words used here shows how sowetan hates our president.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Attention seekers?The artist seeks attention by drawing JZ's dong. Julius seeks attention by walking over the deaths of 34 miners.
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RatWhore2
leave JZ alone, wena xhosa ndiniReport Abuse
And-Then
So painting a pen!s is wrong, but taking it out in the middle of the road to p!ss... scratching, touching and holding it public for all to see and putting it in every hole possible is acceptable?Report Abuse
Moffdat
Sjamolelo@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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Other than what you see on TV... What do you know about Mothlanthe???
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MissBhakajujuDJ-Winner
What is his plan? We know Zuma's infrastructure drive and a second transition. We know Trevor Manual's plan, everybody seems to like it. I will rather go for Trevor Manual. People must stop being racist
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Manuel would have made a good Mayor for Cape Town, he's fortunate to have been in the position as a Minister.
He's just a little puppy, that buggs too loud.
Motlanthe doesn't have to prove any point, he's a Deputy Pres. so he understands that he also has to respect the Government & the ANC, we can only start questioning him, after he takes over as a president.
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Well, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports...
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The-Rothschilds
Should we be expecting a march for human dignity by the ANC anytime soon?Where are you Blade?
Where are you Mantashe?
Where are you COSATU?
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cornelius
@shokho21 I did not say people should not protest poor service delivery ( in a civilsed manner) , but DJ Winner and the ANCYL who are the main protesters continually say that there is racism behind the service delivery issue. This race card is nonsense , which you can see by the fact that in all provinces there are problems with service delivery in the poor townships.The schools issue - you fail to mention that the possible closure of 27 schools is to make the education system more effective , and they are engaing to see what would be the best results. You also fail to mention that they hace built 88 new scchools - it is a stupid uninformed argument.
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Galfrend
Mommac - me preggies from Zoooma's painting ? hahahahaa and why do u always refer me as "little","young" ..i take offence you know :) anyway enjoy the rest of ur day.Report Abuse
cornelius
@ DJWinner - the frquency of strikes does not assist because the ANC have made it clear they want to make it as difficult as possible for the DA, and there is clearly some politics behind it. Come on, you know it - the true question is whether service delivery is worse in the WC than in other provinces. Start arguing honestly please.Report Abuse
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cornelius - The DA CLOSED DOWN 27 schools!!!But created 80 new schools in the process.
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The-Rothschilds
ndhandhaziSOWETAN, IT IS NOT ZUMA'S PENIS. It is a painted picture resembling ZUMA's penis. Strong words used here shows how sowetan hates our president.
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Funny you say that................the spear was also a resemblance of Zuma's reality.
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MissBhakajuju
@DandanLOL..... I see you don't have a strong character, my dorling.......... otherwise you wouldn't be whining about Girls, this & that, if you're that desparate for moral girls, why don't you rather stick to your holy prostitutes & stop crying like a sissy.
I also sense too much desparation in your statements, U said U've made up your minds, 2 only Date Pros, no one else , so why didn't you stick to that ???
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MommaC
GalfrendBecause you are young.
Enjoy yours too :)
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Yoghurt
JZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him.Report Abuse
skhokho21
Sinudeity_Sjamolelo - "it is painful to his family all this expose's"
I dont think anyone cares
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Sinu, the majority actually do care. Its fools like Ayanda that will make people to sympathise & see JZ as a victim and elect him for the 2nd term, just like they did when TM fired him. Ayanda as a Xhosa man, discussing an elder/father`s circumcision is a no go and we are thaught to respect other people`s culture, I wonder if you are Xhosa or Zulu because ufanele udliwa inkomo ezintathu boy.
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Dzel
GalfrendAt the end of the day, he is a human being just like you and me with feelings. A father. What about his right of privacy ?
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Ayanda is a guy.
When The Spear saga was topical I said Zuma is making a mistake because:
1. Had he kept quiet the painting ,would have di.ed a quick death and we would have all forgotten about it, by making a big fuss you are drawing attention to the painting so your actions become counter-productive.
2. By bullying your way around you create resentment, I resented the fact that freedom of expression was being curtailed. The extreme end of this is we will end up not being able to talk about the president out of fear of retribution.
3. Because of this resentment you will get artists doing exactly the same thing just to show you the middle finger.
It boils down to understanding how one's actions are perceived and to what extent does it influence reaction. Our president completely misread that situation and I expected more paintings to spring up which is what is happening.
So long as this is a painting and not an actual picture of his manhood the privacy argument does not hold water.
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MissBhakajuju
i guess this is gona be another P*enis week !!! Tributes will be pouring for our scandolous Mr V.iagra.Report Abuse
And-Then
The-Rothschildshave you ever heard of double standard leaders.....that's what Blade, Mantashe and Cosatu is.
in fact, the word leader should not even be said in the same sentence as them
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Moffdat
TIRED OF THE DA BLOGGERS.Can't you go comment on Beeld or rapport!!!!
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Sinudeity_
skhokho21 - I dont think a painting is going to change the general 'sympathies' that the people of South Africa have for Zuma.Come on, the entire 'show respect for elders' thing is turning into a joke now. Because when a painting emerges, its 'disrespecting our elders'...
But we see South Africans disrespecting their elders every day.
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Dzel
DJ-WinnerWell, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports...
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Why Zuma may I ask, can't you see the country is crumbling under his poor leadership?
Convince me why he deserves a second term, by the way I agree with Manuel being the best candidate the ANC can field plus it addresses the issue of the Western Cape coloured vote but ANC rank and file is not known for putting common sense and logic ahead of pointless factionalism and slates.
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Tired of the ANCYL bloggers. Cant you go comment on "Die son" or something?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
cornelius@ DJWinner - the frquency of strikes does not assist because the ANC have made it clear they want to make it as difficult as possible for the DA, and there is clearly some politics behind it. Come on, you know it - the true question is whether service delivery is worse in the WC than in other provinces. Start arguing honestly please.
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Now you are accusing people, using ANC as excuse for DA failing to serve people. We can deny these things all we can, but they won't go away. We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people.
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And-Then
@YoghurtJZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him.
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Does this mean that everybody who does respect him, is mentally ill/incapacitated/unstable and in need of Psychiatric help, in that case 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help:-)
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DzelDJ-Winner
Well, I don't think there is anyone better than Manual in the entire ANC at a moment. We will rather stick with Zuma. Mothlante is not promising us anything...The last time I heard him talking sense, he was talking about soccer. He can make a good minister of sports...
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Why Zuma may I ask, can't you see the country is crumbling under his poor leadership?
Convince me why he deserves a second term, by the way I agree with Manuel being the best candidate the ANC can field plus it addresses the issue of the Western Cape coloured vote but ANC rank and file is not known for putting common sense and logic ahead of pointless factionalism and slates.
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But I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - Tired of the ANCYL bloggers. Cant you go comment on "Die son" or something?
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RobinH
Moff: Freedom of expression, Sir. We choose to read this paper. Who are you to object?Report Abuse
Dandan
@MissBhakajujuI wanted to give them another try, but no ways I dont want to die like a d.og nonono pros zako flatten nooo , Im shocked not that Im desperate , because you dont know whether she used condoms or not and the next day ukufa ngwana ugafa papa everyday , nono bhakajuju
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Kaylae
MmaditopoSowetan, stop being so dramatic! Why are people so fascinated by Zuma's penis really, it must be very unique!
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Very unique to attract 5 wives going for wife no.6 and breeding lots of children
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Bumboklaat
Hai man, ke dint0t0 gape? Nee man go kaone go bolediwe ka dikuknaeza eseng maromposoReport Abuse
Dzel
DJ-WinnerBut I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem.
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The problem is you are saying we better stick to Zuma; I am saying we have a new crisis every week under Zuma. Do you think South Africa deserves that given his 3 years in power has been a disaster any way you look at it. Do you want us to end up looking like Zimbabwe for you to appreciate the damage this man is doing to our country.
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tarantino
u dont have respect i dont think if he was ur father you were going to do that to him he is a family man just like ur father. he is our president and he will remain our president no matter what, and how u do it he is your president too. you should get a lifeReport Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "What's are the words you put in inverted commas?"The afrikaans name of your favourite "newspaper".
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skhokho21
MommaCOh come on people. Ayanda has used the phallic symbol to put his point across in paintings ranging from Eugene Terblance to Donald Duck. It isn't about the race of the person, it is about the commentary on his perspective of the world.
How many of us have said that Zuma should keep his pants zipped? Do we think that the pants need to be zipped because there is nothing within those pants? Paintings are simply a visual representation of a concept - not the real thing. Even little missy Girlfriend can't get preggies from looking at a painting
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Momma, plz sir, there are so many ways you can attack JZ without disrespecting him, this guy is just disrespectful irrespective of what JZ does. Just bcoz ET/DD`s people did not complain does not mean we must not complain. If this is democracy or the constitution we fought for, then sorry, its time we fig ht for the 2/3 majority to change this constitution.
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MissBhakajuju
@Dandandon't cry Nana, uzoba strong !!!
how is the farming going, by the way ? I want 2 come 4 a visit so that U can show me how your managed it all
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Moffdat
RobinHMoff: Freedom of expression, Sir. We choose to read this paper. Who are you to object?
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If you look at my statement you'll notice that i didn't mention any names. Your lack of attention to detail is a common trait among DA supporters!! Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. You stand for nothing, your existence is based on the ANC's flaws. You couldn't cut it durig aparth!3d and you can't cut it now... How long have you been around???
Long enough to stand on your own two feet and stop riding revolutionary coat tails. You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country.
Please... spare me!!!!
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And-Then@Yoghurt
JZ is an excuse for a president. No one who is mentally fit respect him.
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Does this mean that everybody who does respect him, is mentally ill/incapacitated/unstable and in need of Psychiatric help, in that case 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help:-)
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If you respect someone who has raped an HIV positive daughter of a friend and told her that she is delicious and then take a shower to wash off the disease, impregnated another daughter of a friend, rescued from the doors of prison for corruption by Malema, trying to make his family members millionaires as fast as he can, building a Zumaville using taxpayers money while there is no service delivery to name a few........the answer is YES, 95% of Sowetan bloggers are in desperate help
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - "What's are the words you put in inverted commas?"
The afrikaans name of your favourite "newspaper".
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Nwanawamukalaha
@ANC haters (not zuma)You always expose yourselves as the ONLY person to have drank the original "Racial apartheid" juice from the original pot which was imported from Holland. I would understand if your real identities is Lindiwe Mazibuko or Zille because those two are active in politics no matter their opposition towards any ANC's drives. Raise your hands and become the most fiercest white boys in SAcan politics and stop behaving like you are always served with laxatives during breakfast, dinner and supper.
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Simlee
Just out of words by the lack of respect some people have for other people.Disrepect called art thats just another level really!! People just need another Politician to pick on
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Dandan
@MissBhakajujuI will tell you when Farmers Weekly Magazines Editor has published my story, in the meantime keep quite or visit my facebook but no you need to buy farmers weekly for my story
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "your existence is based on the ANC's flaws."And the ANC has sssooo many flaws.
"Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. "
LOL, again. People who live in glass houses should STFU.
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cornelius
@ Moffdat, I see, you prefer it if only one side of a story or argument is presented on a forum - much more pleasant and easy right ? You clearly do not have any concept of democracy and freedom of speech,and have no interest in civilsed debate. Why don't you move to Zim where that is the prevailing culture ?Report Abuse
Mmaditopo
@KaylaeI am really not going to go into a debate over Zuma. The point i am trying to put across is that yes, Zuma is president and he will make headlines whether good or bad. However, our country is in crisis mode and there are more urgent and pressing issues that needs attention other then Zuma's penis and what he does with it..
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country."You obviously dont live in Cape Town :P
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DzelDJ-Winner
But I agree with you on Trevor Manual. Problem? No problem.
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The problem is you are saying we better stick to Zuma; I am saying we have a new crisis every week under Zuma. Do you think South Africa deserves that given his 3 years in power has been a disaster any way you look at it. Do you want us to end up looking like Zimbabwe for you to appreciate the damage this man is doing to our country.
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Crisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
Despite crisis, but we are the best economy in Africa and we do better even than some Europian countries. SA will be like Zim only if imposed with Sanctions. Other than that, it will never be....
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MommaC
skhokho21Sorry Mad@m but part of that fight was for freedom of expression and the right to not be muzzled by a draconian government system. You can't pick and chose which parts of that freedom you like and which parts you don't.
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MissBhakajuju
@Dandansure, I'll get myself a copy..... whatz your name on facebook ?
i want 2 visit, this week, will you slaughter one chicken 4 me, if I come ??? lol
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i like the tittle.Zuma penis on show again!Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa. Another person trying to be popular at our President's expense. Isilima esilimele sathunukala (Apologies, I cannot translate this)Report Abuse
Moffdat
corneliusHereunder is the same thing i said to your partner in ignorance. They say sleep is the cousin of death!!!
Wake up kid!!!
If you look at my statement you'll notice that i didn't mention any names. Your lack of attention to detail is a common trait among DA supporters!! Your leaders are all on a gravy train going nowhere. You stand for nothing, your existence is based on the ANC's flaws. You couldn't cut it durig aparth!3d and you can't cut it now... How long have you been around???
Long enough to stand on your own two feet and stop riding revolutionary coat tails. You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country.
Please... spare me!!!!
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Mzabalazo
Ahi madoda, ANC has given us the most controversial human being as a president. If JZ was my grandfather or father would beg him to not to stand for the next term, I would literally beg him to let go, he is rich for life and him and his famlies(lol) is covered forever. If he continues I wonder what insults under the guise of art will follow, these people want to assassinate Zuma with insults. The Spear, now Umshini wami, what next? Why people not use their vote instead of using insults?Report Abuse
And-Then
YoghurtWe are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country.
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Moffdat - "You are failing in Cape Town and you want to take over the country"LOL, where do you hear this nonsense? Local ANCYL branch meetings? Cape Town is the best city in South Africa my son. Please dont comment if you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Dzel
DJ-WinnerCrisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
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Under Mandela I can't remember a crisis of significance.
Under Mbeki we had an AIDS crisis and he protected Manto and Selibi but his governance was pretty much on track. Oh! perhaps you can mention the Arms Deal but you can count scandals under his administration.
Under Zuma how many crises or scandals have we had in the last two months alone?
come on my brother, you need better logic than that. How can we make our country a better place for our kids to inherit when we can't elect the right people to lead.
I find much to be desired in your response, in fact it is outright disappointing. You have the power to make a difference my brother, use that power wisely.
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Sugaar
Sinudeity_What happend to the issue of the tapes
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Dandan
@MissBhakajujuwhere are you, myself Im here in Northern KZN kwa Nongoma , do you want to hook me up, I know you are hard worker too we can do this business
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Sinudeity_
You know the ANC/ANCYL is busy dying, when the protests against MAT and POI garner more protesters, then the ANCYL protest.Report Abuse
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RobinH
Everyone has the right to be dillusional. The ANC fought/fights for everyones right to self-determination.
Please comment some more and fill me with the kind of pride the DA and it's supporters will never know!!
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Sinudeity_
Sugaar - The issue of the tapes is still ongoing. Makes one wonder if the tapes existed in the 1st place.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?!Report Abuse
Dzel
Makhosini0408The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa.
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But it is just a depiction of his manhood, not the real thing.
Question: which do you think does more harm; a depiction of his manhood or what he chooses to do with his manhood - poor decision making - and endless scandals including a string of extra-marital affairs (he has to date these women before he weds them, right), children born out of wedlock and unprotected sex with HIV individuals.
Akazideleli yena nomndeni wakhe ngalamanyala awenzayo?
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Yoghurt
The title of the painting: Umshini Wam (Weapon of Mass Destruction). LOLReport Abuse
Dzel
MoffdatEveryone has the right to be dillusional. The ANC fought/fights for everyones right to self-determination.
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Yes and now they are shooting at us with the aim to ki.ll; shoot to ki.ll they tell their police force.
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MissBhakajuju
@Dandanbut U said you reside in PTA..... yes I'm trying so hard 2 make my mark, I'm bussy with my Media company, Cleaning company & also running a small Take Away cafe, on the side..... I wouldn't mind trying out the farming sector, though
we should hook up, some time... hey ?
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?!
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I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time... Read a book!!!!!!!
Are you proud of the DA? Name one thing that the DA has done better than the ANC.
I've got all day!!!
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MissBhakajuju@Dandan
sure, I'll get myself a copy..... whatz your name on facebook ?
i want 2 visit, this week, will you slaughter one chicken 4 me, if I come ??? lol
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You not allowed to slaughter in Cape Town so don`t come.
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RobinH
Moff: HELLO. I REPEAT FOR THOSE SLOW LEARNERS: I SUPPORT NO PARTY OR POLITICIAN. REGARDLESS OF PARTY, THEY ARE ALL HIGHLY SUSPECT. Got that now, Sir. Overcome this little blur in your vision.Report Abuse
And-Then
MissBhakajujurunning all of those things and still finding time to blog.....sumthing does not add up here at all.
but we all have the power to dream i assume.
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BRAINLOT
Lack of creativity is a serious problem, bloggers please advice your kids not to take arts as a career if they are not creative otherwise they will be desperate, fustrated and end up painting rubbish like this. Remember art is a talent that is innate, to study it is to just compliment what is God given.Report Abuse
swona
Zuma must be the only president in our time who is so famous for his pen!sReport Abuse
Dandan
@MissBhakajujuI ve got house in Pta, the farm is in kzn, where are the farms in Pta unless Nwest , i was born and bred kwa nongoma mina ,Pta is my sec home
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WarrenG
He is a philanderer, he is a womaniser. He does has 4 wives but also has an illigitemate child whith Khosa's daughter. He has slept with prostitutes. He cannot keep he prick in his pants. He's a joke and an embarrassment as a leader of a nation. Time for change!Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time"1) Most corrupt liberation party
2) Most incompetent liberation party
3) Most uneducated leaders in the world
I can list more but I dont have time :P
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Dzel
Link to the picture:volksblad.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Nog-n-Zuma-skildery-laat-alles-uithang-20120827
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BlackSeed
The people of this country behaved better under oppressive laws. Freedom is too much for them to handle.Ayanda, what if it was your young one expressing you in a school project like that? Would you approve?
One thing that you also fail to understand is that you are not only trying to impressively define President Zuma, but you are also showing who you really are with these pictures.
I am glad people like you are not my immediate siblings because I would be disgraced by your insensitive actions. This is not the right way to express your views about others.
It is true that Money/commerce will indeed destroy Humanity
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Sinudeity_
BRAINLOT - Lack of quality leadership is a serious problem. Bloggers, please advise your political party to pick better leaders in the future, so that artists wouldnt need to paint the presidents dong to make a political statement.Report Abuse
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And-ThenYoghurt
We are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country.
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@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle.
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And-ThenMissBhakajuju
running all of those things and still finding time to blog.....sumthing does not add up here at all.
but we all have the power to dream i assume.
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i'm currently blogging 4m one of my offices, and I'm not always on the site blogging, I haven't blogged 4 the whole month or 2 months, I only started chatting again last friday, the people that I usualy Chatt with, must have noticed, and besides I'm so good @ jungling, do this while doing that, It keeps me more busier.
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MoffdatSinudeity_
Moffdat - Hehehe, are you proud of the ANC?!
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I could name a number of things that make the ANC the world's greatest liberation party but i don't have the time... Read a book!!!!!!!
Are you proud of the DA? Name one thing that the DA has done better than the ANC.
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And-Then
DzelThe Afrikaans link nogal....i can only imagine the comments on that article.
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CharlesTaylor
If Mabulu will be able to put food on his table with this drawing, then it is good for him. Only fools and stupids will entertain such an childish act. He saw that Goodman gallery made good molla out of Zuma, he is now copying.That is plagiarism at it best Mabulu. You must come with something of your own invention. Goodman Gallery must sue you.
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RobinH
Skhokho: Criticising an appalling leader is not only the prerogative of struggle veterans. At this stage, the struggle is irrelevant in the greater scheme of getting this country back on its legs. And with respect, young people are going to have to live with the cock-ups being made by our current herd of leaders.Report Abuse
sh!tFaceSamsung
swona""Zuma must be the only president in our time who is so famous for his pen!s"""
could not hold it : but to laugh non stop : Zooma eish anaconda
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Yoghurt
We are living in a decade of blind followers, who still believe we are in a struggle. The only struggle I see is in their heads. Zuma and his ilk will continue to keep the followers uneducated and in so doing manipulate the situation to keep their vote. Nothing and i mean absolutely nothing this man and the ANC does are beneficial to the country.
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@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle.
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My point exactly, you are still in a struggle, need Isay more.
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Dzel
skhokho21@And-Then, uyanya, we don`t sleep with our friends kids or hiv women but we won`t stand by & watch while the president is under attack from kids who were not even around during the struggle
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The struggle ended almost 20 years ago ... what we need from the ANC is good leadership and they fail have miserably in that department. Can't you speak about our achievements in the last three years or is it because there is nothing to celebrate hence we keep on referring back to the struggle?
Isn't Zuma inviting attacks on himself though?
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@Dandanwhere is your house in PTA ? I also stay in PTA........... though it wouldn't be a problem 2 go down to Kwa Nongoma, I like the farmsteads, I hope to own one, someday back in E.C, but if we hook up, surely I'll get 2 even learn more about the farming.
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And-ThenThe Afrikaans link nogal....i can only imagine the comments on that article.
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Other publications have been intimidated into not publishing the picture it seems.
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DzelDJ-Winner
Crisis have always been there. Even in WC under DA, they have crisis every week. What is Mothlante promising to end crisis? Maybe the crisis will get worse under Mothlante, we don't know. So, why can't we rather stick with the devil we know?
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Under Mandela I can't remember a crisis of significance.
Under Mbeki we had an AIDS crisis and he protected Manto and Selibi but his governance was pretty much on track. Oh! perhaps you can mention the Arms Deal but you can count scandals under his administration.
Under Zuma how many crises or scandals have we had in the last two months alone?
come on my brother, you need better logic than that. How can we make our country a better place for our kids to inherit when we can't elect the right people to lead.
I find much to be desired in your response, in fact it is outright disappointing. You have the power to make a difference my brother, use that power wisely.
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Well, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side. Unemployment figures have always been high. Mandela, Mbeki, Zuma all failed to address the issue. I think, this is major crisis in SA. Does Mothlante has a plan for this issue? What is it?
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Sokheshe1905
The artist is playing with fire. Usukela inyoka emgodini.Report Abuse
Dandan
@MissBhakajujuuyachansa wena
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RobinH
What do international delegates say when asked which of the people is Zuma? "Don't know the face" but if he drops his trousers maybe......"Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side."You mean how the ANC is Limpopo is f***ing over the province?
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Flemza
Please just leave Msholozi penis alone , if you all want to see mine , just go to my twitter and facebook , you can view the real thing for free , no censorship no media , and no out cry its all there for you to seeReport Abuse
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Mahlol'adibona
You don't demand respect; you earn it. sholozi has long dragged his name in the mud and I wonder what's wrong with folks who still defend him.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin. Most of the problems are coming that side."
You mean how the ANC is Limpopo is f***ing over the province?
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I think @Sowetan must delete your comment. You are swearing...
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Makhosini0408
DzelMakhosini0408
The debate to disrespect our President rages unabated. It has nothing to do with art or whether Zuma has morals or not, ukudelela okundlula okweyisa.
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But it is just a depiction of his manhood, not the real thing.
Question: which do you think does more harm; a depiction of his manhood or what he chooses to do with his manhood - poor decision making - and endless scandals including a string of extra-marital affairs (he has to date these women before he weds them, right), children born out of wedlock and unprotected sex with HIV individuals.
Akazideleli yena nomndeni wakhe ngalamanyala awenzayo?
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There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice.
At the moment, whether we agree or not with Zuma's behavior, it is irrelevant. He is the first citizen of the country.
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DJ-WinnerSinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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Moffdat
Yes children. Express yourselves. The ANC has lost many to make sure you have these rights.Please do! You fill me with pride. We have come so far in no time at all.
I understand you are new to 'liberation' and 'rights' but you must remember that all power has checks and balances and to remain in line with these!!
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RobinH
subbortage? Something somewhere between "abortion", "support" and "reportage" . Full marks for linguistic invention!Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote."Hehehe, no, its not ordinary people. Its ANCYL/SACP and COSATU and affiliates. All related to the ANC. No ordinary people here dude. Just poor people being abused by their party leaders.
You dont realise, but people remember what it was like when the ANC controlled the city and the province. Things are FAR BETTER now, than what they were then.
The ONLY party that will be paying for it with votes, will be the ANC losing another province or two to the DA.
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Dandan
@MissBhakajuju"...........surely I'll get 2 even learn more about the farming.................."
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I love it , I love black ppl being involved in farming, its easy money Bhaks, for you I would sugests you do Layers (eggs) supply to hospitals , boarding schools, wimpy, you can estimate if you can start low with 250 layers , they lay every day mind you, per week you have 1750 per month 7000 immediately you see money coming you will be tempted to go big to 10k,20k,30k, etc by then you are loaded
ppl like "And Then" are these wh.ite people who spread lies that farming is complicated /difficult as results bla.ck peolple ended up running away from farming whereas they are milking our land, we bla.cks are waiting for monthly salry
Farming is easy money Bhaks as long as you select the right sector in farming
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Dzel
DJ-WinnerWell, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin
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When someone provides a weak argument like you have I wonder what goes through your mind, are you kidding me bro! Do you understand what you are saying?
Can you name 5 major achievements under Zuma, what is there to be proud of in the last 3 years and don't mention the world cup as he inherited that. What makes Zuma a good leader, maybe you know something the rest of us don't.
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DJ-WinnerSinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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and the ANC must using apertheit to sugar coat their failures during their administration...i even heard Zuma said that it is Vervoerd fault for the limpopo text book non-delivery....this was said live on 702
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P4T
At the end of this analysis it would therefore seem that one of Msholozi's legacies would be his penis?Let's conclude with that and move on already. What about the poverty and underdevelopment that's engulfing our society? Does that concern anybody? Perhaps not since wonke umuntu eMzansi uzibheke yena.
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As an artist, Ayanda has achieved his goal, that is, to get the nation talking. all aspects of our society have been exposed. from the sheep who follow with blind faith, to pseudo intellectuals, to africans that use culture to condone f**kery and the revolutionaries who brand any personal critism to the leadership as selling out. oh and even the ones that dont necessarily give a flying f**k are talking. Bravo to Ayanda. He has us talking.Report Abuse
And-Then
Dandanwhere did I say that my brother.....pls be specific....?
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DzelDJ-Winner
Well, crisis have always been there. Maybe in your area, you only started to notice them in the previous 2 months. Again, it depends on what you classify as crisis. We must also not forget that Limpopo is trying its best to subbortage the Zuma admin
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When someone provides a weak argument like you have I wonder what goes through your mind, are you kidding me bro! Do you understand what you are saying?
Can you name 5 major achievements under Zuma, what is there to be proud of in the last 3 years and don't mention the world cup as he inherited that. What makes Zuma a good leader, maybe you know something the rest of us don't.
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But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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DandanSo the moment you disagree with the ANC, you are automatically classified as a white person.
I would like to know, how does a person come to such a conclusion?
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Dzel
Makhosini0408There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice
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Firstly you are confusing a vote for leadership position with respect for an individual, you'll do well to separate these as they are not one and the same. to argue the paintings disrespects the electorate is opportunistic at best.
Secondly the president is doing harm to himself by doing all these things that make the South African public lose respect for him. If he conducted with the decorum one should expect from a president he would get respect back but the man is an embarrassment on many fronts, have you ever heard the saying that respect is earned.
Do you think Zuma has earned our collective respect or are we going to use culture as a defense when all else fails?
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DJ-WinnerWhat!!!!!!
the country is stable.....where were you the last 2 weeks.....?
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And-ThenDJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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and the ANC must using apertheit to sugar coat their failures during their administration...i even heard Zuma said that it is Vervoerd fault for the limpopo text book non-delivery....this was said live on 702
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No, he did not say that. He talked about legacy and there is nothing wrong with that....
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The-RothschildsDJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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skopomashwabana: "As an artist, Ayanda has achieved his goal, that is, to get the nation talking. all aspects of our society have been exposed. from the sheep who follow with blind faith, to pseudo intellectuals, to africans that use culture to condone f**kery...... "BRAVO SIR!!! You are one of very few that grasp the significance of "politicised" art. I salute you!
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And-ThenDJ-Winner
What!!!!!!
the country is stable.....where were you the last 2 weeks.....?
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Was the country not stable in the last 2 weeks? Maybe you talk about Marikana, Marikana is no the country. Even there, the situation did not get aggreviated after the incident. In other countries, people would still be dying even today...
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skhokho21
Dzel/Robin, I agree, critisize him all you want but, there is a thin line between critisizing & disrespecting JZ. This boy is out of order & disrespectful, people disappear, he must be very careful.Rothschilds, are you blind, the rest of the country is burning by ANC followers fighting for service delivery, what is your point.
Mahlol`adibona, we not just defending JZ`s mistake but we don`t agree with kids disrespecting and disgracing him. I don`t hear you critisizing the very same people that sleep with him knowing he is married.
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And-Then
DJ-WinnerOMG....another selective listener and blind follower....there is no hope for you.
So what you saying is...the legacy of Vervoed was/is the main reason why Angie & the Department of Education cannot deliver book to schools in Limpopo in 2012.....20yrs after Apartheid came to an end.
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Dzel
DJ-WinnerBut you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?"And meanwhile, the ANCYL branches from all over the country are very quiet with regards to delivery, housing, eviction, corruption, incompetence, service delivery around the country. The ANCYL was very quiet on the textbook scandal. But they protest the closing down of 27 schools (and ignore the creation of 80 new schools).
Just here in the DA held WCape where the ANCYL are protesting...
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BlackSeed
Mahlol'adibonaNo one earns respect. We are not here to prove to anyone that we can or we cannot. People should have Respect as one of their personality trait; if not, then it’s unfortunate that they won’t be able to apply it since it’s uncommon to them.
President Zuma is attacked more on a personal level than his Presidency. Whenever he is attacked for his Presidency, his personal life is always referred to. That tells you that society has an issue with his personal life than his work.
No one is defending President Zuma; artist like this boy must learn that there are other ways to express dissatisfaction rather than undress the elders in public.
What does this painting say about Government Administration?
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Dandan@And-Then
Dandan
So the moment you disagree with the ANC, you are automatically classified as a white ......"
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its well known fact that your fathers masters told him farming is nt for bla.ck ppl , he went on to brainwash you as result you are still foolish like him
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you my friend make no sense at all....have a good day further
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DzelDJ-Winner
But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
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Well, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit...
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?"
And meanwhile, the ANCYL branches from all over the country are very quiet with regards to delivery, housing, eviction, corruption, incompetence, service delivery around the country. The ANCYL was very quiet on the textbook scandal. But they protest the closing down of 27 schools (and ignore the creation of 80 new schools).
Just here in the DA held WCape where the ANCYL are protesting...
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Well, don't blame WC ANCYL for that. Actually, we must praise it for doing its job.
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Sjamolelo
Sjamolelo@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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Other than what you see on TV... What do you know about Mothlanthe???
honestly i know nothing really
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9janavy
I have seen all Ayanda's paintings and i believe he is sick upstairs.I will go as far as to say he is a pervert.Only a brain dead cretin will call such nonsense art.The paintings are obscene ,meaningless and has no message whatsoever.The only thing those painting make me do is throw up.He is capitalizing on the stupid racists worldwide to cough up that much money for his crappy work because they are too stup!d and racist to realize they are being conned.Report Abuse
cornelius
@ Mofdat - Don't back track now - you made it clear that you did not want DA aligned people to comment on this site - you profess to espouse freedom of speech and rightly point out that the ANC fought for it, but you miss the point that you cannot support it only when it suits you. This is what you are doing - not impressive.By the way, you should know that the forerunners of the DA , nl the PFP and the DP also fought for freedom of speech, so please get off the high horse would you ?
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces.
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Moffdat
I have had it with DA supporters.Go out there and change what you are compaining about and stop complaining about the same thing everyday. You are all st@p!d, corrupt id!0ts who need to stop sucking the big ANC d...
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Going to do something productive like support a winning party!!!
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DJ-Winner - The ANC is close to dead in the WCape. The ANCYL is merely showing kicks of a dying horse, trying to show us that they are still 'relevant' in the WCape.Report Abuse
Dzel
DJ-WinnerWell, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
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I'll repeat paying social grants is not an achievement.
Building houses is, new infrastructure, new initiatives that take us forward as a country; I would accept any of these but you con't come up with anything of substance so you cite social grants.
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
Point of correction; the Rand usually tracks the Euro but since Marikana the rand has gone on a free fall and is moving in the opposite direction to the Euro, please tell me you are able to analyse financial markets because this is not normal and has nothing to do with Greece.
On Clinton, I did not ask you about China, I asked you what she said about our president and what is going on in our country; it has absolutely nothing to do with China.
I'll give you another opportunity to answer my questions but this time I'll ask you to apply yourself before you answer.
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DzelDJ-Winner
But you are failing to disagree with it. Maybe, it is not that weak...
Zuma admin has continued to provide all provisions that were provided by Mandela and Mbeki admin: Housing, electricity, grants, etc. The country is stable. We still have strongest economy in Africa and we still ranked very high worldwide.
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Of course we continue to pay social grants, that is thanks to taxpayers not Zuma. Our economy continues to thieve because we have a strong economy that Zuma cannot take credit for
Have you seen how the rand has taken a serious knock after Marikana and started moving in opposite direction to the Euro after a very long time?
In case you miss the reason behind what financial markets are saying; they are fast losing confidence in South Africa as a country but more specifically the leadership we have. The world is looking at this man and seeing what a joke he is, something many of us have known for a very long time and we can't hide it any longer. Do you want the rand to trade at R 15.00 to 1$ for you to understand what is going on?
What was Hillary Clinton's message when she came to visit SA, do you understand the message which must be the view Washington has on south Africa, did you hear she was scathingly critical of our leadership and urged civil organisations to fight against corruption, poor leadership and everything else that goes wrong in our country.
If you did understood these things you would understand Zuma is a source of embarrassment for the country, he is the president others laugh at behind his back.
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you are lying the person who talked about corruption is Irish former prime minister not Hillarry Clinton ,the problem with who want Zuma is that they are focusiing only on his personally scandal,but govrnment is do doing very well
On finacial markets how are they in Europe even in the USA finacial markets are strugling SA id doing much better,how the rand is trading is absolutelly left on the markets
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DON'T BUY SOWETAN DON'T BUY lol..really now I'm sick n tired of hearing about zuma's penis. These artist and galleries are looking 4 attention its not even funny, also who in their right mind just wake up one morning n think about another man's penis and decide to draw it..dats gay to say the leastReport Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "Going to do something productive like support a winning party!!!"Sorry, the DA doesnt want you in the winning party :P
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces.
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The question is: Are people in those townships marching? No. Maybe they are happy
Are people in WC townships marching? Yes. Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them?
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DJ-Winner - "Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them?"Dont kid yourself dude, its not ordinary people marching. Its the ANCYL marching, and trying to make it look like they have nothing to do with it. But everyone else knows the truth. Except you it seems.
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Tikoloshe
YoYoYo this picture is very racist....Ayanda Mabulu is a racist!!!!!
In fact all blacks are racist because of this picture!!!
Let's call PhuzaFace and Jackson "drink and drive to make a strike.... singing "don't buy Umshini Wami don't buy....."
Haaibo, this is very very bad!!!!!
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Galfrend
B_BIKO27DON'T BUY SOWETAN DON'T BUY lol..really now I'm sick n tired of hearing about zuma's penis. These artist and galleries are looking 4 attention its not even funny, also who in their right mind just wake up one morning n think about another man's penis and decide to draw it..dats gay to say the least
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hahahahaaaaaaa come to think of it,it does actually sound gay
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DzelMakhosini0408
There is a thin line between respect and dehumanising someone. By the way, who came up with the bright idea that Presidents should be beyond reproach or used as a barometer for morals?
Zuma has been voted into power by millions of South Africa, if we do not respect him, atleast we need to respect their choice
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Firstly you are confusing a vote for leadership position with respect for an individual, you'll do well to separate these as they are not one and the same. to argue the paintings disrespects the electorate is opportunistic at best.
Secondly the president is doing harm to himself by doing all these things that make the South African public lose respect for him. If he conducted with the decorum one should expect from a president he would get respect back but the man is an embarrassment on many fronts, have you ever heard the saying that respect is earned.
Do you think Zuma has earned our collective respect or are we going to use culture as a defense when all else fails?
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I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
This type of dehumanising or villifying someone only happen in South Africa, I did not see the Americans going overboard with Clinton. Why said Zuma is a role model? If this country knows about some of the scandals about some of our top leaders, the country will be paralised. The country is rotten to the core, but we expect Zuma to be different?
I do not know why you included culture here, I never mentioned the word culture for obvious reasons. In this country, we vilify those among us, who promote polygamy but some of us have extra marital affairs? Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the argument?
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DzelDJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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Its amazing how ppl like Sinudeity and RobinH are amused at this, mayebe if it was FW de Klerk or something like that, maybe I would also find it funny. I think the President can go, but yes they will find another soul to temper with, this Uyanda boy is from CP ..remember, maybe related to Lindiwe MazibukoReport Abuse
DJ-Winner
DzelDJ-Winner
Well, you asked what Zuma done for SA people and I'm telling you he continued to do what Mandela and Mbeki were doing. Mandela and Mbeki were also paying grants using tax money, did it come from their pockets?
Talking of Rand, it has not changed much. the Rand is in the range and it has slipped a bit in the past months because of the Euro crisis. Rand is very sensitive to what is happening in Greece, not that nonsense you are talking about.
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I'll repeat paying social grants is not an achievement.
Building houses is, new infrastructure, new initiatives that take us forward as a country; I would accept any of these but you con't come up with anything of substance so you cite social grants.
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
Point of correction; the Rand usually tracks the Euro but since Marikana the rand has gone on a free fall and is moving in the opposite direction to the Euro, please tell me you are able to analyse financial markets because this is not normal and has nothing to do with Greece.
On Clinton, I did not ask you about China, I asked you what she said about our president and what is going on in our country; it has absolutely nothing to do with China.
I'll give you another opportunity to answer my questions but this time I'll ask you to apply yourself before you answer.
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What are 5 things he did not achieve?
What are 5 things Mandela achieved?
What are 5 things Mbeki achieved
What are 5 things Mothlante is promising to achieve?
The Rand is still about R8 something. Investors will not pull out just because of Marikana. We cannot ignore the effect that the platinum is not selling as much because of the unrest there. That will obviously have slight effect on the market, but it is not that investors are pull out of the country.
I'm telling the purpose of Clinton's visits. The other things she said were not necesary as she doesn't care about them..
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Nyongoyamavenda - "We have the most stable economy in the world."No we dont. In fact, per capita, we are the 3rd strongest economy in Africa.
"He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine"
But you have killed tens of thousands of babies and mothers by not proving them with the neccesary medical care.
"He has come up with National plaanning"
And told us nothing new.
"Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so"
After he instated the corrupt elements in the 1st place. Oh, and only because of the national outrage. Plenty of corrupt criminal elements still sitting in government.
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ManoftheSoil - "mayebe if it was FW de Klerk or something like that, maybe I would also find it funny."I would also find it funny.
My only problem with the JZ painting is...
That a man who is so insecure about himself, probably has a much smaller dong./
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them?"
Dont kid yourself dude, its not ordinary people marching. Its the ANCYL marching, and trying to make it look like they have nothing to do with it. But everyone else knows the truth. Except you it seems.
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That is your assumption. In my point of view, the majority feels the march was necessary.
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DJ-Winner...DJ the supple difference is that the ANC is in effect in Government and most of the central portfolio's like housing and policing are funded through central Government....so in effect it is marching against it's own incompetence and that is how most South Africans irrespective of colour see it!!!
Also a call for ungovernability is is fact treasonable and so the ANC is committing treason against itself and the people of South Africa by making such calls!!!!
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Dzel
Makhosini0408I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
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This is where you seem to miss the point; the president brings his office into disrepute himself every time we here of another illegitimate child popping up somewhere or every time he engages in questionable sexual conduct or he does something stupid that has sexual implications. His latest blunder involves chauvinistic views on role of women in our country reducing half the population to sexual concubines who need marriage to be controlled.
Ayanda did not say that or do those things, Brett Murray didn't either. The president does this damage to himself and his office by himself, to turn around and accuse someone who is highlighting these facts as racist or irresponsible amounts to shooting the messenger.
Has it ever crossed your mind that had our president conducted himself as a responsible president should then these artists would have no justification for painting such art; just a thought.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "We must stop being in a state of denial and start serving people."
How about the ANC/ANCYL sort out their own provinces before throwing stones in other provinces. DA is outperforming service delivery, compared to any other province.
10,000 kids arent going to school in NWCape, because of protests. Meanwhile, the best educated province in South Africa is receiving flack about closing down failed schools. South Africa doesnt make any sense. At least the actions of the majority dont make any sense. Another eldery lady hit and killed by a stone in a service delivery protest. So much for 'respecting your elders'.
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DA must stop using ANC/ANCYL as an excuse for not delivering to people. Ordinary people other than ANC/ANCYL members are protesting. Deny it all you can, but you will pay with a vote.
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Why is the ANCYL not marching to the unions buildings regarding slow delivery to townships all around the country? Why only the Western Cape?
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That is the WC branch of the ANCYL, you see?
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Funny that all other branches ignore the non-existant delivery to townships in the other provinces.
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The question is: Are people in those townships marching? No. Maybe they are happy
Are people in WC townships marching? Yes. Must we blame WC ANCYL for helping them
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The ANCYL organized the marches, why are they not organizing marches else? If we looking at the service delivery protests happening in PE alone everyday, where is the ANCYL?
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DJ-Winner - "In my point of view, the majority feels the march was necessary"That is your assumption.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...
And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the
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that s why JUJU has been expelled,its not a weak excuse ,Italian president was sleeping with a whole lot of whores ,have you ever seen him decipicted this way no,i will not even mention Bill Clinton,dont justify wrong things please
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@DJ-Winner"..........Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit... "
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Its though bro, evrything is upside down
EU is considering to relax sanctions having noted the progress of bla.ck farmrs in Zim after the land was taken over, now they are looking for apology knowing very well they are going to buy Zims product through China at 200x price
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Makhosini0408Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
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That right there is the problem...you dont just go and respect people bcos of their position in a family / community or country, they need to earn your respect.
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DJ-Winner - In fact, the protestors in WCape should be marching to give thanks to the DA and for the people paying for their grants.Thank you people of the WCape and Cape Town.
Thanks for our free electricity.
Thanks for our free water.
Thanks for our free housing and free schools.
Thanks for not having tollgates.
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Dandan@DJ-Winner
"..........Clinton came to Africa to mourn about China. She sees China is talking over and US is losing out. That is all I can say about Clinton's visit... "
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Its though bro, evrything is upside down
EU is considering to relax sanctions having noted the progress of bla.ck farmrs in Zim after the land was taken over, now they are looking for apology knowing very well they are going to buy Zims product through China at 200x price
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why are you so afraid of truth,sanctions are being relaxed cos of the progress made by unity government and a new constitution being drafted
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Dandan - The irony is that 'everyone owns the land' in Zimbabwe...yet there is 95% unemployment, and over a million economic refugees in South Africa. And people blame 'sanctions' :P
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "We have the most stable economy in the world."
No we dont. In fact, per capita, we are the 3rd strongest economy in Africa.
"He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine"
But you have killed tens of thousands of babies and mothers by not proving them with the neccesary medical care.
"He has come up with National plaanning"
And told us nothing new.
"Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so"
After he instated the corrupt elements in the 1st place. Oh, and only because of the national outrage. Plenty of corrupt criminal elements still sitting in government.
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your reasoning is very unreasonable
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NyongoyamavendaDzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world?
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - In fact, the protestors in WCape should be marching to give thanks to the DA and for the people paying for their grants.
Thank you people of the WCape and Cape Town.
Thanks for our free electricity.
Thanks for our free water.
Thanks for our free housing and free schools.
Thanks for not having tollgates.
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Well, convince them. They seem frustrated, maybe you are lying about those things....
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The-RothschildsNyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world?
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I dont travel but i read bro,Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well
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BlackSeed
And-ThenDon’t confuse Respect with accolades. Those two things are different
Respect has nothing to do with ones work; acknowledgement of ones efforts are recognized by either praises whilst the opposite by decent criticism.
Mindset change is not a bad thing
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Makhosini0408
Sinudeity_Makhosini0408 - Come on dude, we've heard it all before "We respect our elders", which is normally the main case made for paintings like this...
And then we get Julius, disrespecting his elders...
So, that leaves one wondering...
Are you merely using the 'respect your elders' cultural card as a weak excuse to justify the argument?
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One day you will understand the real meaning of ubuntu. Now respecting your elders is a cultural card? How sad. It is an irony to link Julius with respect.
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DJ-Winner - "Well, convince them. They seem frustrated, maybe you are lying about those things"But you see what the problem is right? These people are not marching because of services or because of subsidies...
They are protesting because their party isnt running the city or the province.
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Makhosini0408 - How sad is that...Trying to link respect with Zuma :P
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Dandan
@Nyongoyamavendastop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
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You dont know what you talking about rather shutup, if wh.ite farmers were 1 500 owning the whole chunk of land before it was reannexed for plots and shared amongst 60 000 bla.ck farmers , what do you want
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Nyongoyamavenda
Dzel
DJ-Winner
I'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
4.He has come up with National plaanning
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
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You need to travel abit and get out of this "South African" bubble you live in. Most stable economy in the world?
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I dont travel but i read bro,Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well
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You call 25% unemployment (in real terms about 45%) stable?
Europe has an unemployment rate of 11%. Europe is going through a cyclical & structural adjustment, does not mean its economy is in tatters. It is very difficult to grow a consolidated 16 trillion dollar DEVELOPED economy with a population on the decline. As far as i know, the US is growing.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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Dandan@Nyongoyamavenda
stop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
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BAT is still buying Tobacco from Zimbabwe, they dont care if the farmer is black or white, as long as there is tobacco.
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Dandan - What do i want?Lithuli house to buuurn.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Dandan@Nyongoyamavenda
stop being dull maaan , the political dimension of Zim is nt what the west is looking for , they are more behind the mineral resources, which is diamond , tobacco which is mainly consumed by (British American Tobacco -TAT) etc stop talking about thing you dont know
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if speaking means i am dull then so be it,you forget one thing that when sanction were imposed all these minerals were there,you are are the one who is bublling rubbish**
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DzelMakhosini0408
I am merely saying this whole fiasco is downright insensitive and brings the highest office in this land, into disrepute. You did not answer my question about reproach or morals. Who said that the President is beyond reproach?
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This is where you seem to miss the point; the president brings his office into disrepute himself every time we here of another illegitimate child popping up somewhere or every time he engages in questionable sexual conduct or he does something stupid that has sexual implications. His latest blunder involves chauvinistic views on role of women in our country reducing half the population to sexual concubines who need marriage to be controlled.
Ayanda did not say that or do those things, Brett Murray didn't either. The president does this damage to himself and his office by himself, to turn around and accuse someone who is highlighting these facts as racist or irresponsible amounts to shooting the messenger.
Has it ever crossed your mind that had our president conducted himself as a responsible president should then these artists would have no justification for painting such art; just a thought.
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I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
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@The-Rothschildsreally I cant believe it was the sanctions on paper nt in practice, keep on updating me gees , they are bragging about something they cant manage
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NyongoyamavendaI'll ask again, give me 5 achievements to be proud of under Zuma,what has he come in as president and changed or initiated as president?
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1.SA joined BRICSA
... and in the process allowed China to dictate internal politics and who to invite to our country and whom not to invite. Before then we had a stellar foreign affairs policy with focus towards Africa. SA was invited to every G8 summit when Mbeki was president and he was held with high esteem. We held chairmanship of the UN Security Council and we were a global force in every respect.
When was the last time we were invited to a G8 summit, why do you think our participation has declined?
2.We have the most stable economy in the world
That is a bit optimistic. We weathered the crisis well but that is because of strong fundamentals like NCA which regulates the amount and type of credit provided. That we weathered the storm has nothing to do with Zuma and everything to do he inherited a strong economy and now growth has slowed down to 1% to 2% growth, we need growth of around 6% to address the backlog in housing and make a dent on unemployment.
The economy has shed jobs, promised growth and a reduction in unemployment has not materialised; in fact nothing that Zuma promised in the elections has materialised, absolutely nothing.
3.He saved thousands of babies and mothers by providing the neccesary medicine
I’ll grant you this but this is common sense but kudos anyway
4.He has come up with National plaanning
He appointed brilliant Trevor to do that work. Have you read the plan and understood what Trevor and his team are proposing. If you understood the plan you would understand it highlights failings by the government i.e. cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, the list goes on.
You can credit Zuma for needless commissions to address a simple thing. It was obvious Cele was unfit for his position so Zuma wastes money so he can turn back and say blame the commission, not me for your sacking. The man looks for scapegoats where none are necessary. Another commission to highlight failings in the system that left 34 citizens dead and to apportion blame away from government.
5.Sacked corrupt element on his cabinet,the first president to do so
Well let’s see. He is still president, the Limpopo cabal is still in power, R 22bn wasted by municipalities in a single year, municipalities are incapable of compiling and keeping financial records, corruption goes unabated.
Moreover he could not deal with Cele decisively, had to wait for Shiceka to pass away. Sheik is paroled and so is Selibi, McMaharaj is implicated in corruption and tax evasion yet he is his spokesperson.
Government refuses to name those who won e-tolling tenders and to what extent is the party benefitting.
I could go on and on crushing this point but I’m sure you get the point.
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And-ThenMakhosini0408
Common sense and ubuntu, says that we need to respect our elders, period, regardless of their blunders.
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That right there is the problem...you dont just go and respect people bcos of their position in a family / community or country, they need to earn your respect.
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Let us agree to disagree. I respect everyone. That is how I was brought up and I do not judge people based on their behavior of lack of, period.
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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@BlackSeedSo even if your elder is all messed up and does everything he is not supposed to do, including having affairs outside of his marriage, you will continue to respect him, let’s say that elder is your dad for instance. Will you accept such behaviour or continue to respect him, just for the sake of him being your dad.
Such a person does not deserve my respect and will never get it...period
Your mind needs a transplant, not to mention a complete paradigm shift in your thinking - reasoning & basic application of logic.
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@Sinudeity_Dandan - What do i want?
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you dont have point defeated , Mugabe is a hero , champion of the poor
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NyongoyamavendaSinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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Makhosini0408I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
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If he is abusive and irresponsible, certainly. On the flip side would you respect your father if he was a known pedophile and derived pleasure in raping kids as young at 2 years old?
I think not.
Point is you can't accuse someone of disrespect when they are making a statement of fact. If you don't like what is being said then change your behavior, suppressing critical voices is not the solution.
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@Nyongoyamavendathey were exported to Britain, stopped, another door was opened in East, flown , Chinnesse were impressed, they came back to SA to make proposal for infrasracture dev for SADEC region , they promised to fund the programme , until we saw Hillary Clinton and EU coming down on their knees pleading nt to abandon them
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Dandan@Nyongoyamavenda
they were exported to Britain, stopped, another door was opened in East, flown , Chinnesse were impressed, they came back to SA to make proposal for infrasracture dev for SADEC region , they promised to fund the programme , until we saw Hillary Clinton and EU coming down on their knees pleading nt to abandon them
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You should write a novel
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Dandan - The irony is, that most of the international quests who were invited by Mandela on his bday were Americans. Bill Clinton (wive of Hillary), was one of the 1st foreign guests to wish Mandela happy bday.Report Abuse
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DzelSA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we werent it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
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@Makhosini0408Agree to disagree shall we.
So in that case, I have your respect, all rapist, murderers, child molesters, woman abusers, thieves, corrupt officials, pedophiles and all unlawful citizens have your respect.
Because you respect everyone anyone.
btw....the way we were brought up is not always the right way, especially when it comes to our ability to think rationally and independently.
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@Sinudeity_I dont believe in this mandela anymore , he sold us out , and is commercialised by west too much, my hero is Mugabe
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Makhosini0408
DzelMakhosini0408
I think that according to me, we can agree to disagree, you do not respect anyone because they are beyond reproach. I respect Zuma as an elder, President of the country, regardless of how he conducts himself. Do you want to tell me that if your dad abuses your mum, is a drunkard, you will not respect him?
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If he is abusive and irresponsible, certainly. On the flip side would you respect your father if he was a known pedophile and derived pleasure in raping kids as young at 2 years old?
I think not.
Point is you can't accuse someone of disrespect when they are making a statement of fact. If you don't like what is being said then change your behavior, suppressing critical voices is not the solution.
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On the contrary I will respect my father, if he is a pedophile, but that does not mean that I condone or agree with his behavior. He is my father after all. I never said I agree with Zuma's conduct or behavior, after all, who am I to judge?
I do not know what you mean by saying that I am suppressing critical voices?
No one is right or wrong. Its just views.
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NyongoyamavendaDzel
SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we werent it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
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The economy is going to grow below 2%
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Some comments on this blog are attention seeking........... Well i saw the pic i wish i could draw as well.I wonder how presidents from other countries greet our Msholozi. "Hey i saw they drew another pic of your revolver how r u"
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Zuma's SPEAR shall govern!!Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "cadre deployment, corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over"So... the fault is more with the ANC than with Zuma?
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MoNati
@Nyongoyamavenda@DJ-Winner
Go read this: http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/why-we-rip-off-state-1.1370745
Then come back and tell us again about the ANC and the DA.
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madamx
What the hell is wrong with this guy?Black and Stupid...
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ancnduntsu
@PapageIt never rains but pours for our President, what did he do to derserve this? People, He is your President, show him some respect. or is this the work of the 3rd party?
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He must go back to Nklandla.
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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MoNati
My above comment is for all the BLIND anc followers.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "you whites are stiil racists"LOL, and you blacks still lazy?
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MoNati
@NyongoyamavendaI think you should think again about who is holding us down - the anc or the whites.
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Makhosini0408
And-ThenThank you very much. I am content with my upbringing and I salute my elders and the community for imparting that knowledge that even textbooks will not impart. It was priceless to say the least.
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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Read your own comments
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Nyongoyamavenda
MoNatiMy above comment is for all the BLIND anc followers
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so what is your solution from you the visionary
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WhatTheHack
Sinudeity>> yes corruption has always been there but it was not as prevalent, it is now because we have an indecisive president and ppl know they can get away with corruption and for some reason some within the ANC want him re-elected. So to answer yo q the problem is with both the ANC and Zuma. U c ,majority in our movement never got the chance to go to school and have a proper thought process.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
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AgainstWest
This bastard yenja yenkwenkwe izama ukuba famous why ingazobi uyise wayo and inokuba isetyenziswa ngabangcatshi.Report Abuse
Sboro
Let's see comments based on the actual.......click belowhttp://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2070/bf1ae5479e414b4dbd6122fe35998e5e.jpg
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MoNati@Nyongoyamavenda
I think you should think again about who is holding us down - the anc or the whites
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ANC has ben infested by 'trojan comrades' but whites are also resisting a lot
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Makhosini0408then we wonder why the country is in such mess
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Dandan
@The-RothschildsFYI
Growth was set to slow to 2.6% this year from 3.1% last year, before accelerating to 3.4% next year, the IMF said in its 2012 article 4 consultation with SA. That compares with forecasts of 4 .2% for both years in the same report a year ago
The Treasury said it welcomed the IMF’s assessment that SA "has a stable and resilient economy but one that could do better".
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well we dont know where you get that dogs vomit of yours
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Dzel
NyongoyamavendaStatement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand drivers of economies and recessions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was reckless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for well well we survived that.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a planning minister, that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a disaster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have failed to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no transparency.
Malema proposed nationalisation but that does not turn him into a politician to be admired does it?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know, fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future corruption and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corruption?
Come on dude...
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BlackSeed
And-ThenInsulting me is a waste of time and energy. Use that energy to read and comprehend comments better without preempting on them. Read to understand, not to respond.
I will never stop respecting the Elders and the younger ones; however, I will still talk to both within the same boundaries I would like them to engage me.
Just like you dispose of rotten apples, nature will do the same. Just be careful not to be a waste of the Earth Farm.
Joe, please close the door on your way out vs. Joe close the door is an example of how different people express themselves.
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
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The NCA doesnt create jobs or make money mate, its a regulation document, and im sure many white people had a part to play in the adoption of the national credit act
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Nyongoyamavenda - Whit3s are resisting incompetence and corruption. You would also be resistant if you had idjits like Julius, Lamola, Manyi et al shout racist slogans at you on regular intervals. You would also be resistant if the majority of the country, keep on blaming you for their ills. You would also be resistant if the majority keeps wanting more free stuff, without doing anything for it. Or violent protests. I see a mother is in a coma when protestors threw a rock against her head.Report Abuse
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Ayanda, you have joined those people who are out to undermine ANC by all means. This organisation is older than its detractors, it will survive and you will be dead. Change the surname which just not make sense in African manner. What is Mabulu?Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "Europe economy is in tatters,american economy is very unstable as we speak,so yes under the very difficukt global economy we are doing very well"
Eh, EU is abit rocky, but nothing to be worried about. The US economy is recovering. And the Ch1nese economy is slowing down and approaching a recession.
We are doing very well? 25% unemployment? The US during the recession was panicking because they had 5% unemployment.
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SA economy has slowed down cos of global effect from Europe but nothing to worry about
Unemployment has always been high in this country cos of the leagacy of apartheid of excluding blacks from the main economy and reserving jobs for whites
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So clearly what you are saying it is still the white people who are keeping this country afloat then?
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you whites are stiil racists
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i wrote my comments,was NCA passed by whites?
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The NCA doesnt create jobs or make money mate, its a regulation document, and im sure many white people had a part to play in the adoption of the national credit act
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actualy what are you trying to say bro
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - Whit3s are resisting incompetence and corruption. You would also be resistant if you had idjits like Julius, Lamola, Manyi et al shout racist slogans at you on regular intervals. You would also be resistant if the majority of the country, keep on blaming you for their ills. You would also be resistant if the majority keeps wanting more free stuff, without doing anything for it. Or violent protests. I see a mother is in a coma when protestors threw a rock against her head.
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whta are doing is try to keep blacks at the bottom of the economy,i am also resting the retard JUJU
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Dzel
NyongoyamavendaStatement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand drivers of economies and recessions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was reckless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for how well we survived that. Thank goodness we never had NINJA loans (no income, no job or assets) otherwise we would have been serious.sly shaken by the recession.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a pla.nning minister that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a di.saster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have fa.iled to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no transparency. Why do you think government is not telling us who benefitted from tenders, who the investors are, what returns are they getting and who is involved in the collection of fees, how the fees are split up between participants and why they cannot use a much simpler methods like a fuel levy.
Don’t you think the public has a right to know?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know; fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future corruption and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corruption?
Come on dude...
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NyongoyamavendaYou say that the South African economy is the most stable in the world, and begged to differ saying the unemployment figure alone is something unstable and you said that is ok because of apartheid it has always been that way and all the white people had the jobs reserved for them which actually means that if white people have all the jobs, then surely those working are keeping the country afloat and then you replied by saying white people are still racist...........................so what are you trying to say?
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NyongoyamavendaStatement: SA stil attending what is now called G20,Zuma represented Africa
Response: G20 is not the same thing and you know it, this is attended by everyone else whilst the G8 is specifically for the biggest economies in the world.
Statement: Weathering the storm has nothing to do with Zuma but if we weren't it was going to be fault,your desperation is noted,economy wiil grow 3%
Response: no, I understand dr.ivers of economies and rec.essions and if you understood this you would understand the cause was rec.kless credit lending which has little to do with government besides it is NCA we have to thank for how well we survived that. Thank goodness we never had NINJA loans (no income, no job or assets) otherwise we would have been serious.sly shaken by the rec.ession.
Statement: National planning was Zuma s idea hence his appointment of Trevor and his team.cadre deployment
Response: He appointed a pla.nning minister that is not my concern however, it is good to plan but execution is what matters. What has he implemented that has worked?
NHI is still a pipe-dream, we don't know how it is going to be funded and what implications for citizens are i.e. will we still be allowed to keep private medical aids, will it be possible given the financial burden.
E-tolling was a di.saster and government is pushing through legislation that will compel us to pay for a project the province does not want. They have fa.iled to identify alternative funding mechanism and there still is no tran.sparency. Why do you think government is not telling us who benefitted from tenders, who the investors are, what returns are they getting and who is involved in the collection of fees, how the fees are split up between participants and why they cannot use a much simpler methods like a fuel levy.
Don’t you think the public has a right to know?
Statement: corruption, service delivery issues, you mean are his creation ,the were always there before he took over
Response: the question is not when it started but rather what has he done to address the problem. That is why we elect presidents you know; fix what is going wrong, provide good leadership and come up with initiatives that takes us as a country forward.
Instead he has surrounded himself with questionable characters and his focus has been on protecting himself from future prosecution and this is the man you argue is actively fighting corr.uption?
Come on dude...
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Nyongoyamavenda - "whta are doing is try to keep blacks at the bottom of the economy,i am also resting the retard JUJU"By doing what? Not delivering textbooks? Not allowing 10,000 children to go to school because of protests? By buuurning down schools and libraries? By holding violent protests at universities?
No dude, its very convenient for you, for the ANC, to blame wh1tes.
But the truth is, you are keeping yourself out of the economy.
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MommaC
Oh my. Is everyone still discussing JZ's bottom-front? You would swear that SA was absolute heaven with no REAL problems at all.Report Abuse
truthhurt
I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS A SMALL ONE!Otherwise why is it that, its the most easiest thing to draw, most artist have taken a sudden interest in depicting how Mr Pres look down there, i personally dont want to know or find out, i mean how old is Mr Pres? i am sure it does not look as it used to look when he was in his 20s.
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Dzel
Nyongo,I understand you are protecting Zuma either because you are an unapologetic ANC supporter, a Zuma fanatic or someone who benefits from keeping a poor government in place because of what is in it for you but you need to look at the bigger picture.
The danger with protecting a government that is performing this poorly is mediocre becomes the standard. Infrastructure will fall apart, soon we will be avoiding potholes, street will be filthy, sewage systems will fall apart as we continue making excuses. Truth is Zuma inherited a strong economy and a strong country, he is pulling these things one at a time. For every thousand rand stolen something is not being delivered and when the total sum annually is around R 35bn in total that is a lot of things that are not being done because someone is stealing money.
The textbooks saga has not been resolved, a new crisis came along and now focus is on that. The economy is not a good indicator because it largely concerns the private sector so I'd like us to assess public service in this I include amongst others policing, health, education, correctional services, all the departments under the direct control of government; how are we doing on these because they are a more accurate measure of government performance?
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The funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-tollabout all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries
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DzelDude keep it short damn.
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Nyongoyamavenda - Just a point of correction. White South Africans are not European or American. We are not responsible for the worldwide recession. Just like you are not responsible for genocide in Sudan or Congo, arright?Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
How is it we always find the same people debating the same old things over and over and over... Pres penis hey? Why on earth? What is to gain? Then we all off to discuss SA economics? Someone can write a paper about how debates change on Sowetan and go so far off topic.Report Abuse
Dzel
NyongoyamavendaThe funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-toll
about all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries
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Perhaps you missed the statement that the Marikana Disaster has turned me off the ANC completely. Their response is disgusting, Malema needs to be commended for doing the right thing regardless of how self-serving his actions are. If I had a choice I would go for the most competent of them all, Trevor Manuel but because he is not involved in factionalism and cabals he is not considered good enough.
Yes the latest crisis originates from Europe, what is your point on this as I fail to follow your logic.
Do you know we do not have a national fingerprint database so lifting prints off at a crime scene an exercise in futility. I would have thought that is a basic crime fighting tool. Dockets are still not electronic. Police poorly trained and ill-equipped yet we spend billions on leases that make little sense.
Do you understand just how bad corruption would be had it not been for newspapers and media in general and they tried to silence those too.
Answer my question on public service and government deprtments; what has the ANC delivered of late?
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@Risen4romthedeadyou need to go back to the grave
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Dzel - Marikana was really the last nail in the coffin for you. You are sounding like a DA supporter :PReport Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
DzelNyongo,
I understand you are protecting Zuma either because you are an unapologetic ANC supporter, a Zuma fanatic or someone who benefits from keeping a poor government in place because of what is in it for you but you need to look at the bigger picture.
The danger with protecting a government that is performing this poorly is mediocre becomes the standard. Infrastructure will fall apart, soon we will be avoiding potholes, street will be filthy, sewage systems will fall apart as we continue making excuses. Truth is Zuma inherited a strong economy and a strong country, he is pulling these things one at a time. For every thousand rand stolen something is not being delivered and when the total sum annually is around R 35bn in total that is a lot of things that are not being done because someone is stealing money.
The textbooks saga has not been resolved, a new crisis came along and now focus is on that. The economy is not a good indicator because it largely concerns the private sector so I'd like us to assess public service in this I include amongst others policing, health, education, correctional services, all the departments under the direct control of government; how are we doing on these because they are a more accurate measure of government performance?
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i am not blindlly protecting Zuma but my contention is that people focus on sex scandals only to judge him an that if Zuma is a failure that will automaticaly include Motlante cos he is part of the government
most of Zuma opponenents are people begrudging him after Polokwane,tell me you have never been a member of COPE
Lets say i agree that Zuma must go who will replace him in your view
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pierre2012
To be honest, Mzansi needs some sort of 'dictatorship'. Rapists, murderers, disrespectiful idiots masqaurading as artists, all need to be handled with an iron hand, not 'treated' with kids gloves under the 'pretext democracy '. This so-called artist needs to be 'hu.nted' like the way the Americans are looking for wikileaks chap!!Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_yet Dzel denies being one....everyday i must add:-)
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Sinudeity_Dzel - Marikana was really the last nail in the coffin for you. You are sounding like a DA supporter :P
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Well I am not about to vote for hypocrites, the DA is not about to address my concerns so they don't deserve my vote either.
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DzelSo who deserves your vote, just being curious?
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ManoftheSoil
@Danielrjvvuren- you sound like a reasonable dude...what do you think of comments from Sinudeity, you must read them all the time, do u think we should take him lightly as attention seeker, or you also don't see anything wrong..?Report Abuse
BlackSeed
DanielrjvvurenThe people and its systems are simply replaceable, hence repetition of personnel and results. The only difference is that none of them agrees though because everyone thinks they are better than others.
Even the next generations will still be discussing the very same issues; similar with the repetition within religion, education, employment, matrimonial communions, etc.
We have had those that claimed intelligence before, we have them still today, but the same problems persist.
It’s so laughable
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Dzel - Dont care if you vote/dont vote DA. But at least we have one more person fighting against incompetence and corruption.Report Abuse
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you need to go back to the grave
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Offended?am sorry
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Mabulu why didn't you paint your father and your uncles? If you were not seeking attention.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
DzelNyongoyamavenda
The funny thing is that you want Motlante who is sorrounding Zuma,and negotiating this e-toll
about all these Gwhat? what have they really help the world economy with. Recession originated from their countries
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Perhaps you missed the statement that the Marikana Disaster has turned me off the ANC completely. Their response is disgusting, Malema needs to be commended for doing the right thing regardless of how self-serving his actions are. If I had a choice I would go for the most competent of them all, Trevor Manuel but because he is not involved in factionalism and cabals he is not considered good enough.
Yes the latest crisis originates from Europe, what is your point on this as I fail to follow your logic.
Do you know we do not have a national fingerprint database so lifting prints off at a crime scene an exercise in futility. I would have thought that is a basic crime fighting tool. Dockets are still not electronic. Police poorly trained and ill-equipped yet we spend billions on leases that make little sense.
Do you understand just how bad corruption would be had it not been for newspapers and media in general and they tried to silence those too.
Answer my question on public service and government deprtments; what has the ANC delivered of late?
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Malema is just as opportunistic,he became a millionaire in a short space of time where did he get the money,he is just fighting to come back so he can continue to loot
my point is you put the importance of g8 so highly when it is actualy suppresing the growing economies like ours
Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning
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ManoftheSoil - Take me lightly at your own risk. The more the ANC f***s up the country, the less I care, and the more I will laugh at you for failing to do anything about it.Report Abuse
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ManoftheSoilI will stay impartial in saying sometimes, in my view, it he does sound like a DA propagandist, but is that really a bad thing?
BlackSeed
The entire Sowetan has become a bore to me now. They take old stories wash them give them some mack-up and make entice us to make comments that are biased at best and either emotionally or politically charged all the time.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning"And the houses are collapsing. Its been 18 years, and the government is still merely in the planning phase? in 40 years, the apartheid government rolled out power plants (even nuclear power plants), roads, highways etc. With a MUCH SMALLER budget. And here we are, 18 years down the line, and the ANC is still in planning phase.
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I am offended no one has offended me!Report Abuse
Dzel
Nyongoyamavendai am not blindlly protecting Zuma but my contention is that people focus on sex scandals only to judge him an that if Zuma is a failure that will automaticaly include Motlante cos he is part of the government most of Zuma opponenents are people begrudging him after Polokwane,tell me you have never been a member of COPE
Lets say i agree that Zuma must go who will replace him in your view
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I answered the question on leadership; Trevor Manuel and the rest should be appointed on competence and skill set but that is too much to ask of the ANC.
Post Polokwane I did lean towards COPE not because I am a Mbeki fanatic but because I did not like how the corruption charges Zuma faced were made to disappear, for me that was an eye opener regarding what was to follow and I have been proven right in every respect.
Sex scandals et al speaks to one's character hence they are important to me, a president who shows poor judgement on all things sexual will tend to show poor judgement in general because that is who they are, his conduct cannot be ignored as they make international headlines just like Italy's Berlusconi is famous for the wrong reasons.
We need a man who will turn many things around, Zuma is central to most problems we face therefore cannot be the right person to lead.
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ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- blah blah blah..one thing I have noticed is that you are a liar, with your selective facts, but mostly you are a big fat pale liar..liar liar, do u even have chlidren , i amsure they have told you that.LIAR !! get out of this site and find sumthing to do, play with your puppy or something, since u not lazy ..LIARReport Abuse
Dzel
Sinudeity_Dzel - Dont care if you vote/dont vote DA. But at least we have one more person fighting against incompetence and corruption.
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... while fighting hypocrisy on the other hand.
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Sinudeity_And the houses are collapsing. Its been 18 years, and the government is still merely in the planning phase? in 40 years, the apartheid government rolled out power plants (even nuclear power plants), roads, highways etc. With a MUCH SMALLER budget. And here we are, 18 years down the line, and the ANC is still in planning phase.
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they should have done more considering that they were catering for the minority and using blacks as cheap labour
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ManoftheSoil - LOLJust another ANC/ANCYL fanboy, throwing statements around without any proof to it. Just like the dude who said I called him the k-word, but couldnt find any evidence...
You my son, are just ignorant.
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "they should have done more considering that they were catering for the minority and using blacks as cheap labour"And yet, the facilities that the apartheid government built are still powering our houses today. With no additional energy plants built by the ANC government.
Anyways, the point I was making:
The ANC government is FOREVER planning, but NEVER implementing.
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Dzel - "while fighting hypocrisy on the other hand."Same as what Im doing :P
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Risen4romthedead
And-ThenRisen4romthedead
sounds like you are offended
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ManoftheSoilSinudeity- blah blah blah..one thing I have noticed is that you are a liar, with your selective facts, but mostly you are a big fat pale liar..liar liar, do u even have chlidren , i amsure they have told you that.LIAR !! get out of this site and find sumthing to do, play with your puppy or something, since u not lazy ..LIAR
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i find it difficult to discuss with him sometymes ,he desperate and pull everthing just as long as he gets going
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ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIARReport Abuse
Dzel
And-Thenyet Dzel denies being one....everyday i must add:-)
So who deserves your vote, just being curious?
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You know I am still sad COPE messed up as much as they did; all that goodwill has now gone out of the window.
Who looks like they are best placed; I’ll be honest with you bar my concerns how the DA treats its black members and their unwillingness to change I would say they are the best option out there by far on critical points. Let us not pretend the ANC is in the same category cause they are not.
That is another party that needs a leader who is going to take it past its current thinking. They seem stuck in apartheid mentality that says black people have to be kept poor and paid just enough to keep them supplying markets with cheap and easily replaceable labour.
Under the DA silly dismissals like the Empangeni KFC dismissal – for bringing food to work nogal – would be common place, I can’t vote for a party that this is OK. But it still does not change the fact that the ANC is but a shadow of its glorious self, sometimes the only resemblance left is in name alone.
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Nyongoyamavenda
ManoftheSoilSinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIAR
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yes you can lie a lot as well,deliberatly to deceive us
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NyongoyamavendaManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you are suppose to be a grown man, but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid as well as that there was an ANC councilor killed last week, what kind of a person is that...oh well plenty of them in Pretoria i heard...LIAR
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yes you can lie a lot as well,deliberatly to deceive us
i mean Sinu
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Sinudeity_
ManoftheSoil - "but you find it amusing that ppl were being killed during apartheid"No, you are just putting words in my mouth now.
Hehe, Im not from Pretoria my son, living in Cape Town. Thought you would have picked this up by now. I was 10 years old during the 1st democratic elections in 1994. So the apartheid card is moot against me :P I dont care, not do i care about your freedom fighters. They are not holy cows to me.
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Hehehe, an ANC fanboy, and Zuma/Malema lover calling me a liar?LOL
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ManoftheSoil
Sinudeity- you were 10 years old son in 1994, damm so where do you get this sick mentality boikie, go outside and play in your pool or backyard tennis court previledged boy ..Report Abuse
BlackSeed
DanielrjvvurenSowetan is simply making money. Without controversy, Sowetan and Political parties wouldn’t exist.
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ManoftheSoil - "you were 10 years old son in 1994, damm so where do you get this sick mentality boikie, go outside and play in your pool or backyard tennis court previledged boy"LOL, or I could just go play with the 10 mines I supposedly own. Or the 5 corporations I manage in my spare time :P
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Dzel
NyongoyamavendaMalema is just as opportunistic,he became a millionaire in a short space of time where did he get the money,he is just fighting to come back so he can continue to loot
Houses have been delivered but most of the programs are on planning stage as you know about infrasture development worth billions and national planning
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Malema - we all know he is corrupt but that does not change the fact that Zuma is a poor leader. Friend of YL hjave targeted this weakness to expose Zuma like he has been exposed on the Lonmin incident.
I am sure it stung like hell for government to organise a stage, catering, etc for the public to turn their backs on the ANC forcing government ministers to go to a marquee organised and paid for by Malema whom miners and their families have embraced completely. I can't think of a better way to expose Zuma plus he is not man enough to attend the memorial because he knows the nation is angry at government, the president has been reduced to avoid public engagements because he fears a backlash, that speaks volumes.
Housing is a tricky one because of private sector involvement in building housing units. I wish banks took credit for these projects where they are responsible because credit goes to the wrong people. In 1994 the housing backlog was estimated at 2.4 million housing units, this figure stands at 2.1 million currently so little has been done to address the backlog. If people understood these stats they would understand why the statement is misleading.
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Danielrjvvuren
BlackSeedThere I agree with you. In the end if we did not give publicity to some they would wither away without a sound. Take this very article, if it was never written only a select view would know about the presidents penis being on display again, what ever happened to those men who "defiled" the spear?
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Sinudeity_
Dzel - Nevermind the fact that Tokyo had to fork out a couple of billion (R3 billion?) just to repair existing RDP housing. Then we see that the DA built 3x more housing than what the ANC could, in the same amount of time, at the same cost...Makes one think.
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Dzel
Sinudeity_Same as what Im doing :P
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No you would sell your own mother to the devil if it meant you winning an argument but I don't want to start that debate again as it will take the whole day :-)
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And-Then
@Dzelhave you ever heard of the K.I.S.S method.....you have so much to say everyday.
start putting those words of yours into action.
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Dzel - You would sell your mother to win a debate against me :)Report Abuse
Yotywa
I wonder what must I do for these artist to also draw mine....Report Abuse
Dzel
Sinudeity_Dzel - Nevermind the fact that Tokyo had to fork out a couple of billion (R3 billion?) just to repair existing RDP housing. Then we see that the DA built 3x more housing than what the ANC could, in the same amount of time, at the same cost...
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... and the DA things shantytowns should be the new mode of delivering housing, build shacks all over the place and give it to blacks as government built houses. Might I remind you I have not changed my views on the DA.
I'd also like to challenge your claim; which developments, how many units were delivered, when and at what cost. The people of Khayelitsha still live in the same shacks they have lived in for decades. You can't miss the shacks driving from the airport or Stellenbosch towards the CBD.
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McLoving
I was expecting to see the picture.Where is the painting please good people.?The picture with the penis of the champion of polygamy.
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Dzel
And-Thenhave you ever heard of the K.I.S.S method.....you have so much to say everyday.
start putting those words of yours into action.
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Meaning?
Don't tell me to join the ANC so I can effect change from within.
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Sinudeity_
Dzel - "...and the DA things shantytowns should be the new mode of delivering housing, build shacks all over the place and give it to blacks as government built houses."LOL, come on dude. You know that the DA aint building shacks. Those shacks are built by the million+ people moving into the city. The shantytowns are not built by government (irrispective of what Dzel tells you).
"'d also like to challenge your claim; which developments, how many units were delivered, when and at what cost."
LOL, the irony is, Ive posted these exact same stats to you before.
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Sinudeity_
Dzel - Some stats:DA took over the reigns of governance in Cape Town from the ANC,the Western Cape had grown remarkably fast economically and otherwise in that it's GDP for Cape Town rose by more than 130% from the R116.6billion when the ANC controlled the Western Cape to R269billion in 2011.
The DA had managed to reduced the rate of unemployment in the Western Cape from 21.7% to just under 17%.
Service delivery in the entire Western Cape has risen to above the 15% mark compared to the rest of the country and Cape Town city debt levels have been reduced to under the R1billion mark since the DA took charge of the Province.
The DA has increased broadrange housing delivery annually to 7000 units,whereas the ANC could only managed to increase it to 3000 units annually in Cape Town when they were in charge.
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Dzel
Re-post them again Sin, I honestly don't recall you posting the said stats. What I remember is a statement making this claim without specifics which is not good enough.By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity.
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Sinudeity_
Dzel - Resource citing the figures:http://www.sacities.net/workwith/capetown/news
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Dzel - "By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity. "Hehe, did you see who accuses me of being 'dishonest'? The same persons who have been praise singing Zuma :P
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Dzel
Sinudeity_Dzel - Some stats:
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With you I have to check your source if you don't mind, please post your link(s) from an independent source.
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Sharks
Ah! These bastards are not artist, they are just sick perverts.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
I predict a pattern!Dzel
Sinudeity
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Someone random...
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BlackSeed
DanielrjvvurenTrue that.
I don’t think the President will even recognize them even if they were to parade right in front of his eyes.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Dzel - "By the way I see I am not the only one who is complaining about your less than honest style of debating; you are becoming infamous for deception and spin when all that is needed is honesty and objectivity. "
Hehe, did you see who accuses me of being 'dishonest'? The same persons who have been praise singing Zuma :P
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dats what he always do ,diverting isues untill you dont what really you are talking about,whether somebody is for or gainst Zuma that s is not the issue ,everyone has a right to his opinion
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Galfrend
DanielrjvvurenI predict a pattern!
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lol and they are both stubborn. they both h ate losing an argument..*sighs* its gonna be one long day
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Galfrend
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "everyone has a right to his opinion"But some people should be silenced right?
Galfrend / Danielrjvvuren - Hehe, that I agree with. Dzel and I both hate losing an argument.
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Nyongoyamavenda
DanielrjvvurenI predict a pattern!
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Someone random...
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lol..est but sinu can be impossible i dont about Dzel yet
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "everyone has a right to his opinion"
But some people should be silenced right?
Galfrend / Danielrjvvuren - Hehe, that I agree with. Dzel and I both hate losing an argument
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silenced...yes you are one of them
its not about winning or loosing but about how much you can argue about facts not jus an emotional hoolabaloo
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Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - I always argue with fact. The problem is, you think the right way is always the black/ANC way. Therefore, anybody who doesnt agree is a 'liar'.Report Abuse
MommaC
I was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :)Report Abuse
RobinH
MommaC: Cock and bull stories, as it were......Report Abuse
MommaC
RobinHWith the current SA problem of nervous goats, sheep, dogs etc - I don't know that putting the cock and the bull together is such a good idea
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Galfrend
Sin - dont stop now. I was reading,you kept me entertained.So who won this round?Nyongo - Sinu is stubborn stubborn very stubborn
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RobinH
MommaC: Why, do you reckon the bulls are chicken?Report Abuse
MommaC
RobinHIf they have any intelligence at all, they'd be nervous as all hells
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Galfrend
MommaCI was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :)
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\bhwahahahahahahahahahahahaaa ROTFLMAO!
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RobinH
MommaC; lol. CHeers.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Galfrend - Nobody won this round. For the most part, I agree with Dzel today :PReport Abuse
Dzel
LOL Daniel ...Report Abuse
Dzel
MommaCI was going to ask how the topic got changed to DA and ANC then I realised, it hasn't changed at all - the conversation is still about a lot of penises :)
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LOL ... ouch that hurt.
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Dzel
Galfrendlol and they are both stubborn. they both h ate losing an argument..*sighs* its gonna be one long day
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The thing about me is I will debate a point I believe in very hard but I would like to think of myself as objective and debating to exchange opinions and will readily accept I am wrong or concede a point when a valid point is being made.
The opposite of that is shifting goal posts, diverting attention or presenting fabrications when all else fails. I don't like lying nor would I deliberately distort fact just to appear like I am winning. the exchange of opinion is more important for me; if that counts as being stubborn then I'm guilty as charged.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - I always argue with fact. The problem is, you think the right way is always the black/ANC way. Therefore, anybody who doesnt agree is a 'liar'.
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you are lways emotional i am sure you were raised by a single mother,you tend to femine,at first i thought you are a lady
you dont have to agree with me to make ,but you to convince me through hard facts that s what debate is all about not about winning at all cost icluding using half truths and deviations
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Dzel
By the way Sin I followed your link and do not see the stats you've presented but we have this debate all the time; it is tiring especially when some of us will duck and dive [prolonging what should be a straight forward discussion.We don't agree on anything, it is just that perhaps this is not worth the effort.
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DZL - Im saying you are stubborn in the sense that its very difficult to change your mind once you have set your mind into something,just like Sinuedity. That is why I didnt even bother engaging with you earlier because I knew you wouldnt even consider my comments.Instead you would dig more to show how baseless my argument is. I like your debating style though,it never turns personal .Report Abuse
LERATOLANNA
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Dzel
Got it ... I'd like to think my opinions are sound though, no point in being stubborn when you are wrong, in fact that defeats the purpose but ngiyezwa ukuthi uthini.Report Abuse
Galfrend
Oh yes they are sound,spot on for sure.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Dzel - Yeah, its worth the effort. Thats why we comment on sowetan regularly. Cause we want change, and because we enjoy doing it :PReport Abuse
Nzule
The King is naked!Report Abuse
JohnStone
@Dzel, Sinudeity et al, stop extrapolating this simple debate about "another spear". This issue is not about Marikana, Zuma's perfomance as president, whether the DA or ANC are the best or any of such like bollocks. This is about human dignity. During the debate about the Spear, a lot of nonsense was said about Zuma, the ANC, blacks, white, yellow and purple people, mostly the opinions where irrelevant to the fact in issue.I am proposing that we stick to the point; is it freedom of speech or abuse thereof? Instead of focusing on Zuma or his cultural practices or "cultural weapon", for a change let us look at the artists and ask the necessary questions.
What kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k? I know Makhosini doesn't, do you Sinudeity? What about you Dzel?
What kind of man will go further and invest their valuable time by taking a brush and paint to translate their sordid and rotten thoughts on canvass, thereafter calling such garbage "art"?
The psychologigal mark-up of these so-called "artists" should be our point of focus. Is there no professional help for such people whose brains are filled with penisses?
Have a nice day guys!!
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MommaC
JohnStoneNot big on art appreciation then?
Stick to photos on your walls - much less thought provoking.
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Sinudeity_
JohnStone - "What kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k?"Of course not. Thats why were discussing housing, and whatnot.
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Dzel
JohnStoneWhat kind of man will spend his valuable time thinking about another man's ballz and d**k? I know Makhosini doesn't, do you Sinudeity? What about you Dzel?
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The issue is one of understanding art, symbolism and how to get the point across using imagery. You see a naked man when I see a number of things. The King is Naked, do you know and understand that story. How about the penis being a symbol of power and control, do you get parallels between the penis and umshini 'wam (Zuma's own tagline). In shot what is your understanding of art in general and what role it plays in society both as a medium and a piece of work.
Do you understand poetry, this you do comprehension exercises at school, did you ever have to interpret a film, discuss film shots and directing, etc ,etc.
I think the problem is one of understanding, most people look at these paintings from a literal perspective rather than understanding the message. Perhaps I am fortunate I did art as a subject at school or perhaps it was the school that encouraged independent thought and equipped us with those skills but it is clear you and I do not see the same thing when looking at the painting.
I seek to understand the message the artist is trying to convey, you see a penis and nothing else. Who do you think is better positioned to comment?
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Dzel
MommaCStick to photos on your walls - much less thought provoking.
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Be gentle MommaC, clearly a lesson in all things artistic is in order.
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@DJSjamolelo
@Dj winner... Motlanthe is as interesting as a door knob ,he has no charisma, i would not vouch for him as a prez seriously ntate o le wa bora . no authority same as jz
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I think you completely misunderstood what Sjamolelo was saying, and in retrospect I concur. UMontlantle uyavilaphisa nje umbhekile, worse when he starts speaking. He lacks the charisma and enthusiasm of Tokyo, Mandela and JZ.
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Scotchinoh
this is a disaster in SA!Report Abuse
MommaC
DzelYou can only teach someone who is willing to listen.
We had the exact same conversations with the exact same people when Murray had his painting in the news and the same story for at least half a dozen Zapiro cartoons. I sometimes just get very tired of hitting my head against a brick wall
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JohnStone
@DzelI think the problem is one of understanding, most people look at these paintings from a literal perspective rather than understanding the message. Perhaps I am fortunate I did art as a subject at school or perhaps it was the school that encouraged independent thought and equipped us with those skills but it is clear you and I do not see the same thing when looking at the painting
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Would you walk in the streets naked and expect people to "God's art" and not your dangling equipment?.
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Bebesocs
@nobnob Mabulu could not draw his father's or uncle he is on a business venture here, to fetch money for him should have drawn all those who marched to the museum...if he had drawn Mantashe and Nzimande's jewels by now he would be getting 7 million Rand offer, try the two.Malema should also follow.
@sowetan... we are still talking about the deaths of Lonmin but now you distract our minds with such sad thing. Ayanda Mabulu we want more, we want more, we want more.
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MommaC
See, Told ya Dzel :)Some people understand jazz and some people are happier sticking to folk songs. Thats all cool but it gets a bit exasperating when the folk song lover tries to tell you how to listen to jazz.
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Bebesocs
@sowetan for the benefit of the people with sight problems can you please enlarge this lovely drawing, there are people who want to offer more than 75,000, enlarge the drawing please.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
JohnstoneWhat kind of man will go further and invest their valuable time by taking a brush and paint to translate their sordid and rotten thoughts on canvass, thereafter calling such garbage "art"?
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homosexuals?
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legendarybenedictoholic
people,you have the right to freedom of expression and that is inteligible, but try to atleast respect the dignity of other people, especially the face of the country, mr president.Report Abuse
mambaaai
lets see if the artist receives the same treatment as murray, if he does not then zoom zoom is just plain r.a.c.i.s.t, straightReport Abuse
Dzel
JohnStoneWould you walk in the streets naked and expect people to "God's art" and not your dangling equipment?.
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It’s unfortunate you read my post but did not understand a single word I wrote.
Key words; depiction, symbolism, interpretation...
If you understand what these words mean you would not asked the question you asked. I can only teach if people are willing to learn, clearly you aren’t willing to learn or look at this from a different perspective.
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Dzel
legendarybenedictoholicpeople,you have the right to freedom of expression and that is inteligible, but try to atleast respect the dignity of other people, especially the face of the country, mr president.
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I keep on getting back to the same point; Zuma does more damage to his dignity in a single week than Ayanda could in an entire year, if you are so concerned about Zuma's dignity perhaps you should write letters to him asking him to act like a president should.
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Dzel
mambaaailets see if the artist receives the same treatment as murray, if he does not then zoom zoom is just plain r.a.c.i.s.t, straight
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They must start with Zapiro, there were a murmurs here and there and it all went silent very quickly because Zapiro and the M&G are not as easily intimidated as Murray and City Press was.
I'd be surprised if they make noise on this one, remember they can't use the race card this time around.
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T.C.T
shame this ppl are so cruel how can they expose MmaKhumalo's food like that phela this machine is foever shooting even dangerouse cakes that are posetive it shoots,,,but the art is nice niceReport Abuse
viva
"Fortunately JZ way of thinking is much above these silly attacks on him, Artists with intergrity will never paint such provocative art as we see it from musicians none of the good musicians in SA have written ugly songs about the president. He may have failed on certain issues but he doesn't deserve this king of defamation. The whites have always disrespected blacks but when it comes from a blackman its kind of shocking. Probably this young man is paid by a third party to protect the previous painting. This has nothing to do with JZ fit or not fit this is pure insult.Report Abuse
viva
What kind of men are these who will spend time drawing another man s penis? Maybe izi tabane lezi (gay)Report Abuse
spatch
Still waiting for some artist to get inspirations to paint Winnies ku kuReport Abuse
Tsatsatsa
Attention seeking artists banesicefe serious.Report Abuse
Maamjiji
this shows how people feel when you think your a man , taking a team of wifesReport Abuse
Mamlambo
viva.. kikiki.... if a white man paints it, whites are disrespectful of all black people. If a black man paints it, must be a white man paid him to paint it. i hate these whites.Report Abuse
Tlalisto
This guy must just go and paint his Father's ass man. sy moer.Report Abuse
Tang
aaaah cumon guys u giving him more points on scoring more woman...........wat ta hell is wrong wit you, dats realy not a piece of african't to african in Africa. i bet somebody did it for and used ur assss as domasss!!!!!looks so not proud of being black, watever man get urself sum surgery like Jackson, u can be more famous too. your work sucks like cholestoerol broer. this aint real african work man......wanna attack da president attac him wise man.....dis not "DIS" only him but our country as well dickhead.
ooooh by way talk to him if u want a piece of his pennis, blowjob or something n then get excitement u want with his P.................
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Gamamabolo
TALK OF DISRESPECTING. i wonder if he has a painting of his dad's nakedness.Can guts- filled Limpopoans travel again to destroy (as happened at the gallery in Rosebank) this shameful character assasination by the so called artist.Report Abuse
Tlalisto
i think this guy o batla Senzo and Jason ba mo ikadime for a night.Report Abuse
jono08
My word can't these artist leave Zuma alone... Lack of inspiration, now they use their talent as a weapon of humiliationReport Abuse
Tlalisto
i just read an article on IOL. this artist is saying that he have drawn penises most of his life.am asking myself if he also have drawn his Father's Penis also and if so he must shaw the painting of his father to the rest of the world.
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sowet123
what's wrong with us south african,s private parts are private.this people batsuba zolo, a bana respect at all. why don't they paint their own penis .
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M'Lungu
Eish! The Prez appears to suffer from constipation as well - judging by his facial expression!Report Abuse
xanthia
This is really irritating, if its all abt art and expressing your selves why not paint his( Mabulu) fathers penis? or better yet why not his own? Really we are taking this freedom of expression too far... do these people think abt Zuma's family?Report Abuse
xanthia
funny how things like these are never written or painted about Hellen Zille, i she is not a saint...Report Abuse
M'Lungu
Hau! Zille does not have a penis - but she does have a very good brain! ( And it appears very "big balls" as well!) I agree maybe Mabulu must use his own penis to paint his father's penis - the end result will be a"lekker pi@lle" painting!The President is entitled to some respect please! ( Altough he sings a very simple song about a machine gun whilst he cavorts around dressed in animal skins!)
The rest of the world must really think we are special - to have within our midst people like our President and the Limpopo Loafer - and the most scary thought! - they are allowed to reproduce!
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PolyTix
....I wish for the day we don't have to read about the spermanator.....Report Abuse
STRAIGHTTALK3
IS Ayanda Mabulu A MALE OR FEMALE? I WOUNDER WHETHER HE HAS A THOUGHT OF DIFFERENT PENIS SIZES! IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A WIFE, IT MUST BE JUST BE A NIPPLES' SIZE, IF YOU HAVE ONE WIFE, MAYBE THE SIZE OF THE SMALLEST FINGER, TWO OR MORE WIFES, AN AVERAGE ONE. SO ABULU, IF YOU ARE A MALE WHERE DO YOU FIT? I GUESS A NIPPLE SIZE KIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKIKKIReport Abuse
SHIZNIZ123
THE SPEAR OF THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1Report Abuse
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