RobinH

This is utter horse-dung!
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Faro

march 4waaaat...haiboo sukha wena...
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cocolucho

Can the youth league please just GROW UP!! This culture of violence and intimidation needs to go, are we then so suprised that we have so much violent crime in this country when the only way we know how to speak is through violence!
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RobinH

Coco; Exactly. To me civilisation is not about being technologically advanced or building horrendous weaponry. To me it is about behaving with decency and mutual respect or consideration.
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TIPTOP

My worry is when other people are used to pursue other peoples goal.
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Catswhiskers

Seeing that the youth league is giving plenty of warning and is very vocal about their intentions, let's see what our 'great leader' is going to do about it.
Or is it going to be like Polokwane before he was elected? Every goes as long as he is the winner!

Reading other newspapers I believe he was also "too busy to attend the commemorative services" yesterday. I think he was scared of Juliboy.
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blachandsome

Have you ever been in Cape Town? I don't think so, our black sisters and brothers are treated like they are nothing, there's racial issues in that Province. Services are given to the so called upper and midle class. The question what is happening to our people at the rural areas?

I support the ANCYL.
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RobinH

Catswhiskers: "do'???? Honey, that's a dirty word in JZ's vocab. All he "does" is his wives. Otherwise he obfusticates, harrumphs, plays with his spectacles and applies his mind before denying whatever.
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cornelius

@blachandsome - that is a li.e - can you give any specific fact to back up your claims ? Service delivery in the townships of the WC is not worse than in any other province.

The ANC is desperate to win the WC because they are being embarrased by the efficeint governance. You are jus tbelieving li/es that have never been substantiated because they cannot be substantiated, If I am wrong, substantiate the claims please.
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DJ-Winner

When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march.

It is exactly what happned in UK last year. Those marchers were called rioter, but when people march in Libya, Syria, etc the very same UK is calling them rebels. Sometimes people man, I hate this world we live in.
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truthhurt

Khaya Yozi you stupid, stupid boy, stop trying to score political points and start adressing the real issues affecting the youth.
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RobinH

blachandsome: May I suggest that you do not rely only on your handler for information? Try reading the odd newspaper, or lilstening to occasional newscasts. It might help with your blindness.
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RobinH

pardon: "listening".
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DJ-Winner

blachandsome
Have you ever been in Cape Town? I don't think so, our black sisters and brothers are treated like they are nothing, there's racial issues in that Province. Services are given to the so called upper and midle class. The question what is happening to our people at the rural areas?

I support the ANCYL.
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Yep, DA is only serving the CBD, city of Capetown. People that are really struggling in townships are ignored. That is why I always say that DA represents the minority.
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RobinH

DJWinner. So where in CT do you live, that you are so well-informed?
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Danielrjvvuren

Why are they marching on Zille? This sites journalism is sometimes dodgy and very disappointing. I thought the ANCYL is going to lay her on a service and walk over her but NOOOOO its a march against her not on her, but still what nonsense? Ungovernable? State of their minds are ungovernable of you ask me.
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RobinH

Bomb-threat on the Northern commuter line, effectively disrupting the ability of law-abiding people who actually contribute to the economy from getting to work on time, or in a case I have just seen, an old lady from getting to hospital to collect essential medication. Nice work, people. Make everyone's lives a mess, because of your pathetic agenda.
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RobinH

How to win the "hearts and minds" of people. Stuff up their lives. Very bright.
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DJ-Winner

RobinH
DJWinner. So where in CT do you live, that you are so well-informed?
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Protests speak volume. We have protests every week there. Cleary people are not happy. We must not be in a state of denial....
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RobinH

DJW. Oh, so the hundreds of incidents reported all over the rst of the country are fictions? Pull the other one! People are unhappy countrywide, which according to my 70s arithmetic makes 10 provinces out of 11.
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cornelius

DJWinner, do you truly and honestly believe that service delivery in the tow.nships is worse in the WC is worse than in other provinces ?
Do you truly believe that Helen Zille, who supprted the anti-aparth.eid strug.gle, exposed the ki.llers of Biko, housed ANC comr.ades sought by the se.curity pol.ice is a rac.ist /

Do you truly believe that Patricia De Lille, who has her roots in the PAC, where she fo.ught fo rmany years for the rights of bl.ack people, is a raci.ist ?

Come on DJ be honest.
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Troll-Master

@blachandsome

Have you ever been in the Eastern Cape/Northern Cape/Limpopo/KZN/Gauteng/Mpumalanga/North West/Free State? I don't think so, our black sisters and brothers are treated like they are nothing, there's racial issues in those provinces. Services are given to the so called upper and midle class. The question what is happening to our people at the rural areas?

Seeing poor people not getting the same services that the bourgeoisie receive is an issue of class, not of race. Until people start looking at class and NOT race we're still caught in the mental oppression of apartheid. AND YOU brother are seriously mentally oppressed. Forget your race. Forget your sex. Forget what cards you can play and start thinking about what deeds you can do.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

I agree with DJ-Winner "When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march"

The minority will always support the DA when it marches against the ANC but when the ANC marches against the DA its an attack on a "governable" city!

Look, people in this country (mostly) ANC supporters protest on almost a weekly basis against the same ANC. So tyhe DA is not a special case...

I own a few properties in the CBD and 3 anchor bay area (Tulbagh Square and Green Point) and the efficiency an service delivery is on point. However, compared with what the township and semi urban area people are saying, I agree with the march!

I have a balanced view, and would join the marchers in ther protest!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

If anyone should be held responsible it is Helen Zille and the DA government should be arrested and jailed," said Yozi.
He's right they're the ones to be blamed.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

@Troll Master...

It is said for you to isolate class as a measure system in itself when living in this country.

Class and race are predominantly aligned here... Only a few of the (socially deemed) "lesser race" enjoy the benefits of, clearly, your race.

I am one of those... Classism is but another form of discrimination, in our South African context similar to racism.

In the Western Cape it is more apparent than most areas as over 65% of the "urban" areas are occupied by a "racially favoured" class... I happen to still draw "attention" to myself when I leave my Fresnaye home in my Maserati from my Jewish neighbours... So, spare us the "lesson" in racial discrimination and Classism.

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RobinH

Troll-Master: YES> YES> YES!!!!!
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

I meant SAD...
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RobinH

Sophisticated_ Ignorance: The question, of course, remains: How were you able to accumulate the wealth you seem so very proud of? To what extent did it bolster your argument to brag about your fancy car and luxuriouos neighbourhood?
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

To demonstrate Classism... Robin, its called education and balls, my friend! It leaves my lightly pigmented fellow citizens astonished when I parade it the same way they do... Where I live, you only see the picture "postcard" of the Western Cape, but where I grew up, you see the reason why the ANCYL is embarking on this strike.

So how I was able to accumulate MY wealth is of no concern to you but the point I am making... Dont stray, RobinH, focus on the issue here which is a blatant deprivation of services by this so-called "efficient" western cape government u seem to be proud of... And please, dont use condescending tones when addressing me about my "argument" or my wealth...
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Mgaraji

DJ-Winner
When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march.

It is exactly what happned in UK last year. Those marchers were called rioter, but when people march in Libya, Syria, etc the very same UK is calling them rebels. Sometimes people man, I hate this world we live in.
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True. DA believes their arrogance, name calling & twisting facts will sort this. If they praise young people for bringing down Libya, what will stop them from bringing down the Republic of Western Cape.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

And to top it, RobinH, You asked DJ WInner where he lives... thats why i thought of cutting your line of questioning short by giving you the details before you could ask for them ;)... Cheerio!
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Danielrjvvuren

Sophisticated_Ignorance

Walking contradictions are always fun...

You say:
nd please, dont use condescending tones when addressing me about my "argument" or my wealth...

But then you start:
Robin, its called education and balls, my friend! It leaves my lightly pigmented fellow citizens astonished when I parade it the same way they do

You can have all the wealth in the world but it can't buy class... Yes Mrs Zille's policies sometimes excludes some areas, but working with a limited budget, but I digress what is it with the constant strike action. Its like we know nothing better than to force people to do what they want. Rather pushy...


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Lehido

BS
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RobinH

Sophisticated. The real issue will ALWAYS be the exploitation of the poor by the rich, so sure, let's not talk about your means to wealth if it embarrasses you. I don't really care. I am just rather amused by your smugness. I don't care what race you are, nor what terms you use for "pale"people.

As Daniel points out. Class does not usually parade the details of it's wealth. Believe it or not, there are others with both education and balls, who choose not to brag. Point of detail, my edcuated well-hung friend. Where do I ask where DJW lives? I ask how long he has been in CT. Seems you education and balls hasn't helped your reading.
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skhokho21

RobinH, you can be a hypocrite, the man who vandalized the ANC HQ doors was serving them right & you condone his actions but when the same thing is happening in the WC, the province run by your party, the YL is not bahaving in decency & respect.

Cornelius, have you ever been to the black townships of the WC, the DA is doing nothing for those people but in Table View/Parklands we have a bicycle tard run away to the city, mycity bus was discussed with the residents before implementation but they are refusing to do the same in the townships, there are parks, halls & development in white areas, nothing in the township happening, even the old ones are not maintained. Did you see the floods of winter in squater camps, did you hear about them in white areas.

You need to get it in your head that service protest are all over the country, why is Zille trying to hide it here, the YL is protesting against poor service delivery in the WC. Why are they closing these schools instead of renovating them.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

@Danielrjvvuren

It really does take an education and balls! And it does leave them astonished. It cracks me up everytime...

Class, my friend can be bought... I've got the reciepts with my tax accountant to prove it...

Fact of the matter is, the western cape government is divided by two where the majority share the spoils of this "budget" you're referring to after it has benefited the middle to upper class people/ areas/ businesses.
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Mgaraji

According to AG's report, KZN municipalities did better than the Republic of Western Cape.
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Bebesocs

@blachandsome before you make comments you must investigate, what you are saying is a blatant lie. That province is an example of good governance, people are still holding on the promises of ANC that we will give you free houses, free and better education for your children, jobs jobs jobs. I feel sorry for the western cape people to look for greener pastures whereas there is none, look at what is happening in other provinces eg Eastern Cape where we have bullies like Mandla Mandela, Limpopo where we have fatcats like Malema, are you telling me you like what this ANC is doing in those provinces?
ANCYL you are destructive...there is no need for that planned action.
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

Unless you're a fibber, my good ma RobinH... I have snubbed this conversation as copied below:

DJ-Winner
RobinH
DJWinner. So where in CT do you live, that you are so well-informed?
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Protests speak volume. We have protests every week there. Cleary people are not happy. We must not be in a state of denial....

So judging from the above, you in fact DID ask where he lives...

Tisk, tisk, tisk...
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RobinH

Sophis. OK. Forgot.

Skhokho: Where do I condone what he did. Show me!
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

To address this question and cheeky attack by RobinH ----> Point of detail, my edcuated well-hung friend. Where do I ask where DJW lives? I ask how long he has been in CT. Seems you education and balls hasn't helped your reading.
Irespong by the below:

RobinH
DJWinner. So where in CT do you live, that you are so well-informed?
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Again, your words not mine...
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Tsafendason

DJ-Winner
"When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march."

I couldn't have put it better myself, but i'm not at all surprised. you see its the mentality of many whites who still think they did Africans a favour by coming to reap Africa off its resources. they actually believe that Africans should be thankful for anything, how ever crappy it maybe that they dish out to them, hence you normally hear them talking about "This people are ungrateful" and that sort of talk. DA must stop making excuses and deliver, do they mean to tell us that the people who complain that they dont have electricity actually have it?

No wonder they had to buy a poor African Lady with some Pick n Pay groceries to come and lie in television saying" We have electricity e-Tambo square" when she didn't have any in her shack.
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RobinH

Sophi: Kindly scroll up for a non-cheeky apology. WIth respect, you introduced the notion of testes. Get a sense of humour, before flashing your maserati again.
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DrunkenMaster

ANCYL my left foot
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Danielrjvvuren

MAybe this will be enough of a response to you:

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." - by Rousseau, Jean Jacques.



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skhokho21

RobinH, why are you changing the topic? I know axactly what Sophisticated is talking about, I have lived in the WC for all my life, from the township to West Beach, your pale friends don`t like the fact that I live in that area & drive better cars than them, they always want to know what I do. The quicker Zille accept that there is a problem of neglecting the township the better for this province.
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MommaC

Could someone explain to me how these marches make anything better or benefit the country?

I understand the concept of a mass movement and the power it holds but to march at the drop of a hat all the time seems to make it a bit mundane. One march with thousands is impressive. Thirty marches becomes a bit un-remarkable. Surely all that energy could be used more productively?
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Danielrjvvuren

Sophisticated_Ignorance
I can do that too my friend:

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." - Sun Tzu

Your arguing with the poor whilst looking down on them from your many clearly stated houses. If you want to champion the poor why not get rid of your substantial wealth? Oh wait you come from squaller so its okay and justifies everything. High horse much?
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

RobinH, noted my good man. Apology accepted...

I didnt see it, my eyes are taking a beating from this screen...

Anyway, let me take a power nap... After all its 18:25 here (Manila, Philippines), then I'll hit the nightlife bright-eyed and bushy-tailed...

Cheerio!
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Sophisticated_Ignorance

I cant pretend my bank balance Danielrjvvuren...

Cheers mate! Fight the good fight!
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MommaC

skhokho21

LOL
try watching any two white people meet in a pub and one of the first questions is 'so what do you do for a living?'. It has nothing to do with your paranoia
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Danielrjvvuren

God I hate trolls....
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Morphius

Here we go again - these people do not know what the word constructive means
our politicians always preach violence and destruction - this will be another Marikane or Andries Tatane situation.
Instead on violence why can't the youth with all their ''creativity'' invent new ways of voicing their concerns...if people should be arrested for non delivery then we should start with JZ, Tokyo, minister of roads and transport, energy minister, and Angie.
This is all part of the Mangaung battle which costs innocent lives.
POLITICS OVER HUMAN LIVES ONLY IN SA
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skhokho21

RobinH, check your responce on that topic of the guy who tried to break the glass doors of the ANC HQ. There is a problem in the WC, the DA looks after their constituency, I don`t blame them its politics but don`t complain when people protest for the services.
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Morphius

If people are encouraged to be lazy and make babies then they will live in poverty. Education, job creation is what people need NOT charity...people in the other areas that get delivery PAY FOR IT...electricity, water and other services are there because people are educated, are employable and pay a higher services fees to ensure they get this...
What about all the ANC are such as Limpopo and other rural areasas that are ignored...who is to blame Zille and apartheid
THE ENEMY IS CORRUPTION, SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT AND NARROW/EMPTY MINDS...we wonder why Mugabe is still being voted for by his people
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Sinudeity_

Hope the police will be there. With riot gear and live ammunition.
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Sinudeity_

blachandsome - Have YOU ever been in Cape Town? Doesnt sound like it. You are merely telling us the same old fairytales we hear from upset ANC fanboys. Upset because the ANC lost the province.
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Mgaraji

Sinudeity_
Hope the police will be there. With riot gear and live ammunition.
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Those tactics were applied by apartheid government it did not work. Where were you?
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RobinH

Skhokho. Whatever. You are one person with whom I really don't want to bicker. Let's agree to differ. Let my train home be off schedule, I may be less happy.
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Sinudeity_

Maybe we should disrupt the lives of the people living in the townships. Block the trains, and puncture the tyres of the taxi's. Cut off their water, cut off their electricity. Lets see how they like it.

CT delivers more free services to the townships than any other province.

What we have here is ANCYL merely being douch3bags.
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Sinudeity_

Mgaraji - "Those tactics were applied by apartheid government it did not work."


And by the ANC government. And it did work.
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Sinudeity_

skhokho21 - Lets deprive the protestors of the services they already have, water, electricity, sewage...

Then lets watch them protesting for not receiving more free $h17.
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cornelius

@shokho 21

I have been in many bl.ack townships, not recently , but in the mid eighties a lot, and I have a good idea of conditions.

It is a fact that the City of CT builds more houses than any other province. The can never reduce the backlog because about 20 000 families arrive in the WC from the EC annually.

I do believe that service delivery can be improved, and that residents of the affluent areas would in fact be happy for infrastructure investment and maintenance in those areas to take a back seat for a couple of years in order to prioritise developmetn of the tow.nship areas.

The point about the ANCYL however is that they peddle the li.e that service delivery is wor.se in the WC than in othe rprovinces, and that this is as a result of raci.sm. They peddle this l.ie in order to justify threa.ts of making the city ungo.vernable. It is clear that this is the despera.te ANC at work - theu must try to take the WC at all costs. Why ? To improve conditions for blac.k people ? No, they can't do it in other provinces so why do they all of a sudden want to do it here ? First improve services in the priovinces they go.vern before we believe them that that is their motivation for this despe.rate need to take over the WC.

A far more obvious explanation is that the governance of the WC is embara.ssing them. The DA is getting sron.ger because they are in a position to prove they are a better alternative.

The ANCYL is making things worse for everybody on the basios of a li.e, that's what rile sme.

As for your anecdotes about discrimin.ation against you : I am sorry, if you want people to believe that the wh.ites in Cape Town are a buncn of backward raci.sts, who cannot stand a succesful bla.ck person, and immediately asks him/her what they are doing for a living, in a suspici.ous manner, you are ly.ing, and you know it. Caoe Town is a sophisticated, modern, trendy, cosmopolitan city - the ra.cism is in your imagination only.
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MommaC
skhokho21

LOL
try watching any two white people meet in a pub and one of the first questions is 'so what do you do for a living?'. It has nothing to do with your paranoia
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Paranoia my foot Momma, don`t tell me about pissed drunkards in pubs. Do you know what kind of a neighbourhood West Beach is, every one mind his own business & only see each other when you pull out or in, these fools first will admire your cars & house, ask how do you afford & what you do for a leaving, I usually say I get tenders in the gov. just to make them turn red but I must say you get some that are really friendly but I keep them all far back.
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BrothaX

It is either ANC YL in the WC isvery short sighted or else there are certain people pushing their own agenda and misleading the very same poor people they are claiming to be fighting for. Who is going to suffer the most when they have made CPT ungovernable, poor Africans. How is BRT going to diadvantage the poor they proclaim to be fighting for? Are they enjoying seeing the same poor people squashed like Sardines in trains and GoldenAarrow buses? have they marched against countless rape and murder cases in the WC, i guess not. What is JZ saying about this when threats are made to make part of our Republic ungovernable?
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MommaC

skhokho21

Never been to West Beach but I can tell you truly that everyone in my neighbourhood knows exactly what everyone else does for a living. Maybe being a normal middle class suburb changes things. We also all look out for each other and an alarm never goes without a crowd rushing to make sure all is okay - race, tenderpreneurial tendencies or religion is irrelevant
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Naivegirl

According to Wikipedia the majority, 50.2%, of the people of the Western Cape described themselves as "Coloured", while 30.1% described themselves as "Black African", 18.4% as "White".

So I am left with one question: Why are the coloured people not protesting because of bad service delivery?


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Naivegirl

Maybe they are too busy shooting each other?
That gang story they have going on down there is scary.
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AndrewPienaar

@DJ-Winner

A march is a riot when the protestors attempt to make the city "ungovernable", empy trash cans and intimidate people.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the people march. But keep it civil, you can make your point without violence or threats thereof. And for god's sake - no weapons!
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cornelius

@ skokho, if your house and car is far more expensive than everyone else in the neighbourhood, you don' tthink they will want to know what you do for a living ?

By the way, why do you keep the friendly wh.ites far away ? Are you a raci.st ?

Come on bro, this story of " the ra.cist Cape Town" is just a li.e, admit it. I have not heard or read of one single provable incident of ra.cism that is different from the kinds of incidents that occasionally( regretably) crop up all over the world. The r.ace card is played to justify continued an.ger against wh.tes, as well as preferential treatment for bl.acks ( AA, BBEEE, EE, etc, etc, etc)
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DJ-Winner

cornelius
DJWinner, do you truly and honestly believe that service delivery in the tow.nships is worse in the WC is worse than in other provinces ?
Do you truly believe that Helen Zille, who supprted the anti-aparth.eid strug.gle, exposed the ki.llers of Biko, housed ANC comr.ades sought by the se.curity pol.ice is a rac.ist /

Do you truly believe that Patricia De Lille, who has her roots in the PAC, where she fo.ught fo rmany years for the rights of bl.ack people, is a raci.ist ?

Come on DJ be honest.
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I did not call her a racist. Look, Zuma was arrested for 10 years for our freedom, but if we are not happy with him, we raise our concerns. Why can't we do the same with Zille who never spent even a night in jail for freedom?
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Fred55

"and also that the planned Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) expansion to Khayelitsha and Mitchells Plain be halted pending proper consultation with "stakeholders".

Yozi warned should there be no consultation, specifically about the consortium to operate the BRT service, no buses will be allowed to "set foot in Khayelitsha or any other area"."
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What he is actually saying is that selected cadres from the ANC and the ANCYL must be given shares and tenders in BRT - for stakeholder read corrupt tenderpreneur cadre.

Hi is also saying that until the tenderpreneurs get their slice, the poor of Khayelitsha go can walk to work!

It is also a fact that more schools have been closed in the other provinces than the Western Cape but the ANCYL said or did nothing then. The ANCYL did not alert the country about the text book saga either!


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AndrewPienaar
@DJ-Winner

A march is a riot when the protestors attempt to make the city "ungovernable", empy trash cans and intimidate people.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the people march. But keep it civil, you can make your point without violence or threats thereof. And for god's sake - no weapons!
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Nope, the way I look at this, the moment people march against white government it called riot. But if they march against government of any colour, it is deemed necessary. This is not the way things should be done...
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Naivegirl

The day when black and whites can put the colour of a persons skin aside is the day we in South Africa will be able to start improving it.

But for now we are faced with the colour thing in every problem we face and can't move forward
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Fred55

Morphius
Here we go again - these people do not know what the word constructive means
our politicians always preach violence and destruction - this will be another Marikane or Andries Tatane situation.
Instead on violence why can't the youth with all their ''creativity'' invent new ways of voicing their concerns...if people should be arrested for non delivery then we should start with JZ, Tokyo, minister of roads and transport, energy minister, and Angie.
This is all part of the Mangaung battle which costs innocent lives.
POLITICS OVER HUMAN LIVES ONLY IN SA
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Well said!! The poor must stop allowing themselves to be used by greedy opportunists like Malema and Zuma
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AndrewPienaar

If the peole march against government, without causing chaos with violence and intimidation, no one is going to call it a riot.
But this isnt a South African thing, everywhere in the world you get a few fire starters in a crowd, and what could have been a peaceful protest turns into a riot.
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MommaC

By the way, how much truth is there in the rumour that Mrs Yengeni is behind a lot of this? Something to do with her owning the taxi industry in Cape Town and the BRT being a threat to her.

Anyone know?
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cornelius

@DJWinner - I agree that concerns should be raised, you are right on that. It's just that the way the ANCYL is doing it is taking things backward, and its based on the lie that there is rac.ism at play, when its simply a question of the same challenges that every municipality is facing, which CT is actually facing better than most if not all, so its the hypocrisy that makes me mad. When De Lille goes to the township to explain the R 1 bill investment in township infrastructure that is coming, the hooligans chase her away.

Anyway - have a good weekend DJ, we'll sove the country's problems again on Monday ?
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RobinH

Naivegirl> My sentiments exactly. Thanks for a sane viewpoint.

MommaC: You can't seriously think anyone is going to give you a straight answer on that.
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MommaC

RobinH

:) don't know which side Yengeni has nailed his flag to but it is very possible that one of the other 'factions' will be happy to give me an answer. Don't you love politics?
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DJ-Winner

@cornelius...Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party. Clearly people are not happy. We must not allow ourselves to be controlled racial emotions and be in a state of denial. People can't just protest for fun, somewhere there is a problem.
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
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RobinH

MommaC. Yip. And of course the "other faction" will churn out their leader's version of "truthiness". Don't you just love the absurdity of the new Concise Oxford. There is now a distinction drawn between "truth" and the FBI-speak "truthiness". The human race is a constant source of amusement.
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DJ-Winner

Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
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This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
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Tumi2000

Tug of war ANC(YL) vs. DA

The league's regional chairman declared August 27 "a public holiday". Well it’s good to have a free day when you are working for someone but bad when you are the employer especially small business owner who does not rely on Tenders.

ANCYL want to halt the BRT in Western Cape, yet there was no participation from the ANC to stop e-tolling in GP. “They gained from the e-tolling deals”. Probably BRT tenders will not go to any ANC tender broker.

ANC lost Western Cape to DA due to its own incompetency, chicken and egg type of situation. If they want WC they must work and gain trust from WC dwellers not cause protests that may result in more loss of life.

“Helen Zille and the DA government should be arrested and jailed” how many corrupt official are there in the ANC(YL) yet none is arrested (if arrested released on medical parole).

“The ANCYL is demanding the planned closure of 27 schools by the Western Cape department of education be halted” yet those above DA officials (DOE) failed to deliver TEXTBOOK to my BELOVED LIMPOPO and no one protested.

ANCYL regional secretary said they would defy city and police authorities by marching from Salt River Railway Station instead of the preferred location of Kaizergracht Street near the city centre. LET’S SEE IF THE WC POLICE WILL BE SHOOTING BLANKS, IF REAL BULLETS ARE USED OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WILL DIE.

“We've got a right to march from anywhere we want to” did the miners have the rights to march as well?
And the list goes on………………..

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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - This isnt about right or wrong, its about the ANC/ANCYL being unhappy about the WCape being governed by the DA. This is about the ANCYL trying to show the ANC that they are relevant. This is about political battles using people as fodder.
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Tsafendason

The DA tactics of shifting blame is sickening, if they are not blaming black people from the EC, they are blaming ANCYL, jesus, Gauteng has more people from the EC than them and when there's a service delivery protest, it is regarded as such.

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The-Rothschilds

DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
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This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
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In that case, if you have everything you want, proves your crusade for nationalization is completely racial and has nothing to do with the welfare of the country.
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
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This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
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In that case, if you have everything you want, proves your crusade for nationalization is completely racial and has nothing to do with the welfare of the country.
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Nationalization will have nothing to do with me. I have a job and everything, but I speak for the poor. It doesn't mean that when we sorted, we must then forget about struggling people.
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - You dont speak for the poor, you speak for the ANC and its RICH, FAT politicians.
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Sinudeity_

DJ-Winner - How often are you here singing Zuma's praises?

Come on my son, dont make me laugh.
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RobinH

SIn. The oke has lost it completely now. Oh goodness, what a laugh. Thanks people for the amusing close of the day.
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The-Rothschilds

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When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march.

It is exactly what happned in UK last year. Those marchers were called rioter, but when people march in Libya, Syria, etc the very same UK is calling them rebels. Sometimes people man, I hate this world we live in.
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The rioters in the UK looted shops, and were criminals. And they did not demand David Cameron to step down. They used violence to loot everything they could.

Libya and the arab springs was a completely different case. The people were demanding their leaders to step down and the response was the army to try and silence them, worsening the situation further.

I don't know how you could compare the arab springs to rioters in London?
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - This isnt about right or wrong, its about the ANC/ANCYL being unhappy about the WCape being governed by the DA. This is about the ANCYL trying to show the ANC that they are relevant. This is about political battles using people as fodder.
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No. I don't think that ANC/ANCYL will care about that. We govern almost the entire country, why should we care about an organization governing only 1 province?

Go to the townships and see how desperate the situation there is. People don't go to strikes for fun. You will lose a lot of votes, especially as you are in a state of denial.
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The-Rothschilds

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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
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This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
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In that case, if you have everything you want, proves your crusade for nationalization is completely racial and has nothing to do with the welfare of the country.
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Nationalization will have nothing to do with me. I have a job and everything, but I speak for the poor. It doesn't mean that when we sorted, we must then forget about struggling people.
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It will have everything to do with you, because your job might not exist should there ever be a nationalization policy.

If you care so much about the poor, i suggest you stop complaining over internet actually go out and do something, put your money where your mouth is, charity starts at home.
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Sinudeity_

Seriously, I dont mind that there are OVER A MILLION REFUGEES from the ECape in Cape Town...

But WTF gives them ANY RIGHT to protest, and vandalise and disrupt?
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march.

It is exactly what happned in UK last year. Those marchers were called rioter, but when people march in Libya, Syria, etc the very same UK is calling them rebels. Sometimes people man, I hate this world we live in.
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The rioters in the UK looted shops, and were criminals. And they did not demand David Cameron to step down. They used violence to loot everything they could.

Libya and the arab springs was a completely different case. The people were demanding their leaders to step down and the response was the army to try and silence them, worsening the situation further.

I don't know how you could compare the arab springs to rioters in London?
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People were not happy, regardless of whether they demand leadership change or not. In those countries, people were not happy and went to the street to voice their concerns. Calling others rebels and others rioters is just rediculous. These people can't fool us, we are not kids.
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AndrewPienaar
@DJ-Winner

A march is a riot when the protestors attempt to make the city "ungovernable", empy trash cans and intimidate people.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the people march. But keep it civil, you can make your point without violence or threats thereof. And for god's sake - no weapons!
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Nope, the way I look at this, the moment people march against white government it called riot. But if they march against government of any colour, it is deemed necessary. This is not the way things should be done...
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It depends what the motive is behind the march. The ANCYL can march to Zille, but then they must also March to their mother body in all other cities about the filthy conditions blacks live in Joburg, PE, Bloem, Durban, everywhere. Why is the youth league only targeting the WC and the DA for a situation that exists all over SA?
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
..........................................................................................
This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
=====================================================================================

In that case, if you have everything you want, proves your crusade for nationalization is completely racial and has nothing to do with the welfare of the country.
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Nationalization will have nothing to do with me. I have a job and everything, but I speak for the poor. It doesn't mean that when we sorted, we must then forget about struggling people.
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It will have everything to do with you, because your job might not exist should there ever be a nationalization policy.

If you care so much about the poor, i suggest you stop complaining over internet actually go out and do something, put your money where your mouth is, charity starts at home.
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That is your opinion and it is incorrect.

Who said I don't donate?
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
AndrewPienaar
@DJ-Winner

A march is a riot when the protestors attempt to make the city "ungovernable", empy trash cans and intimidate people.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the people march. But keep it civil, you can make your point without violence or threats thereof. And for god's sake - no weapons!
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Nope, the way I look at this, the moment people march against white government it called riot. But if they march against government of any colour, it is deemed necessary. This is not the way things should be done...
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It depends what the motive is behind the march. The ANCYL can march to Zille, but then they must also March to their mother body in all other cities about the filthy conditions blacks live in Joburg, PE, Bloem, Durban, everywhere. Why is the youth league only targeting the WC and the DA for a situation that exists all over SA?
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People march in other parties of the country and nobody is complaining, nobody is calling them rioters. ANC listens to the demands of people. What are you talking about?
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The-Rothschilds

DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
When people march against DA, it is called a riot. But when people march against ANC, it is deemed a necessary march.

It is exactly what happned in UK last year. Those marchers were called rioter, but when people march in Libya, Syria, etc the very same UK is calling them rebels. Sometimes people man, I hate this world we live in.
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The rioters in the UK looted shops, and were criminals. And they did not demand David Cameron to step down. They used violence to loot everything they could.

Libya and the arab springs was a completely different case. The people were demanding their leaders to step down and the response was the army to try and silence them, worsening the situation further.

I don't know how you could compare the arab springs to rioters in London?
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People were not happy, regardless of whether they demand leadership change or not. In those countries, people were not happy and went to the street to voice their concerns. Calling others rebels and others rioters is just rediculous. These people can't fool us, we are not kids.
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A small fraction of people were out looting shops in London................not 100s of thousands of civilians of all ages taking the streets in the arab countries demanding leadership change and democracy. You cannot compare the 2. And even though, with the kids looting in London, none of them were shot to pieces by the army or police.
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DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
AndrewPienaar
@DJ-Winner

A march is a riot when the protestors attempt to make the city "ungovernable", empy trash cans and intimidate people.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the people march. But keep it civil, you can make your point without violence or threats thereof. And for god's sake - no weapons!
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Nope, the way I look at this, the moment people march against white government it called riot. But if they march against government of any colour, it is deemed necessary. This is not the way things should be done...
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It depends what the motive is behind the march. The ANCYL can march to Zille, but then they must also March to their mother body in all other cities about the filthy conditions blacks live in Joburg, PE, Bloem, Durban, everywhere. Why is the youth league only targeting the WC and the DA for a situation that exists all over SA?
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People march in other parties of the country and nobody is complaining, nobody is calling them rioters. ANC listens to the demands of people. What are you talking about?
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Ofcourse people are complaining, do you even know what has been happening here in PE???? My god you live in a dream world.
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
The-Rothschilds
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Unfortunately, there has been protests in WC nearly every week, even before the ANCYL joined the party."


Nope, you are wrong. And the ANCYL joined the party when the toilet saga started. Not since two weeks ago, or however far you can recall.
..........................................................................................
This is not about proving me wrong or right, but about serving people of WC. This has nothing to do with me, my life is sorted. I have everything I want...
=====================================================================================

In that case, if you have everything you want, proves your crusade for nationalization is completely racial and has nothing to do with the welfare of the country.
...............................................................................
Nationalization will have nothing to do with me. I have a job and everything, but I speak for the poor. It doesn't mean that when we sorted, we must then forget about struggling people.
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It will have everything to do with you, because your job might not exist should there ever be a nationalization policy.

If you care so much about the poor, i suggest you stop complaining over internet actually go out and do something, put your money where your mouth is, charity starts at home.
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That is your opinion and it is incorrect.

Who said I don't donate?
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And who says mines and banks and other businesses dont donate either?

You probably gonna say, they dont donate enough, then i should ask you, how much do you donate? What % of your income do you give to the poor...........im sure its a drop in the ocean compared to what business gives away.
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bytheway1

All that bothers me is the constant destructive nature of actions taken. The poor will never benefit that way. Constructive ways of solving socio-economic issues is necessary.
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BraSipho

Again the ANCYL makes about as much sense as the ANC!
Why would you like to stop busses from servicing the poor and then claim that the rich and middle class are the only ones who get a bus service??!
What rich person have you seen taking a bus??
Complete idiots ANCYL.
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