Aug 23, 2012 | Hlengiwe Nhlabathi Political Reporter |
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commentsPUBLIC Protector Thuli Madonsela has spoken out strongly against the apartheid legacy being used to shield some of the government's failures, particularly the dire state of the country's education and appalling conditions under which some people live, 18 years after democracy.
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januswanus
MmeMadonsela the problem the politicians are raping the country and jy kan niks doen.Report Abuse
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Madonsela hit back, saying she was unfazed by the criticism and that her office would not arbitrarily adapt operations because one organisation wants things to be done a certain way.----------------------------
Good for you!
saying there was no progress in clamping down on it.
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We are moving backwards, we need a competent party to take us forward and run SA as the successful country it could be, the anc is not it.
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LBS
Thuli Madonsela is one very strong lady with integrity and high morality - something her bosses do not like!She'd better watch her back because she IS doing a good job, speaks out and isn't intimidated.
Can were get rid of the buffoons and put her in charge - things can only get better?!
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januswanus
Only the electorate can change that. Not some politicians.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Dont blame apartheid? But what should the ANC and its peeps do then?Do introspection?!
Take responsibility themselves?!
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CYBORICO
I am no fan of affirmative actin, i always believed men r where they r because they eared it, I am totally against puting women at management positions just to fill the numbers, i always said women need to prove themselves first before getting intergral positions, like u cannot just make women mine engineers, u need someone who can cope in such enviro, and then here is Thuli, dont know how she got to be what she is but she is proving her worth day by day without compromise. If there were to be a women I would vote for a president of this country it will b this women.Report Abuse
Mgaraji
It is not suprising Thuli, you are a guest speaker in Democratic Apartheid functions. Defend them.Report Abuse
CheeseBoy
our current electoral system is counter productiveif we followed the model of Switzerland where the people vote on all major issues affecting the country Zuma would not have been in power right now. Blaming collonialism/aprtheid is a tactic that has been tried and tested and working for liberation movements accross Africa.
Look at all post liberation countries. instead of taking from the past and improving our govts are hell bent on destroying what ever was built pre 94. instead of building sustanable communities our govt builds RDP houses meant as an insult to black people.
Instead of supporting the small businesses our govt is in bed with big business. Wake up people of Mzansi, this blame the past game is nothing new. its an African phenomenon. Our leaders do not give a damn about us.
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Sinudeity_
Mgaraji - Haters will hate, and will find any lame excuse they can think of :PReport Abuse
RobinH
One great woman this. Seriously. About the only person in any leadership position at the moment that even knows what integrity means.Magaji: You really need to hone up on your knowledge, and understanding, of the constitution. You seem a little lost.
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LBS
@MgarajiIt is not suprising Thuli, you are a guest speaker in Democratic Apartheid functions. Defend them.
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Thuli cannot defend the indefensible, namely the ANC government's failures and why should she?
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CYBORICO
people Zuma as a president was a mistake that many of us made, whinning about it right now doesnot help, what needs to be done is to prevent the same processes that led to his election from happening again, this thing of not wanting him just because u hate the man will lead us to the same situation where we vote for the guy who can beat Zuma on the polls only for that guy to be what the country doesnot need. We need to learn that in a democratic world you really donot need to luv the president or the candidate chosen by your party, what u need is some capable and responsible mjita who will make your issues his.I
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Shut up you wo*man,how could we do better in the situation where everything is taken away from you,people must bring our stuff so we can be better.They now put the system that makes sure that we've shut out and we dont get to our feet because of the apartheid,who said is over?Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - are you "Fighting black"?Report Abuse
TankGirl
Give this woman a bells!I would give her 50 thumbs up if there was a like button.
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Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Your stuff was returned to you, unfortunately Motsepe, Tokyo and Cyril decided to take it all for themselves, becominh instant multibillionares, instead of dividing the wealth."They now put the system that makes sure that we've shut out and we dont get to our feet because of the apartheid"
What system dude? Enlighten us to what you are talking about here.
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CYBORICO
@Sinudeitynot sure if i should respond, but people do change, so please elaborate, kinda lost as to what fighting black means
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Dzel
CYBORICOpeople Zuma as a president was a mistake that many of us made, whinning about it right now doesnot help, what needs to be done is to prevent the same processes that led to his election from happening again
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After the Lonmin masacre there is no way he will retain his posiion and he knows it too, in fact the ANC as a whole is in serious trouble.
Never again will I vote for this useless party, that for me was the last straw.
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Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "people must bring our stuff so we can be better."People must stop buuurning down schools and universities so you can be better. The government must deliver textbooks, and the teachers need to stop f***ing around.
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Ndese1
Another DA member. He is only acting against ANC as she is bullied by her friend Zille.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - "but people do change, so please elaborate, kinda lost as to what fighting black means"Well, in the last elections people were urged not to vote for Zuma. Due to corruption and whatever else. It was coined "Fight back". Unfortunately, the ANC threw its full weight behind Zuma, and turned the phrase into "Fight black". Therefore, your anti-Zuma sentiments are "Fight black".
The moral of the story, dont get sucked into useless ANC campaigns next time. You will end up paying for it in the long run.
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Sinudeity_
Ndese1 - "He is only acting against ANC as she is bullied by her friend Zille."Or just maybe, its because the ANC is corrupt and incompetent?
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Danielrjvvuren
Well if Thuli Madonsela says so it must be true, listen I'm still fairly young and wasn't around for far to long in the apartheid nation, but I believe this is true. There are plenty that could be blamed on apartheid, but some use it to sensationalize politically motivated events and speeches in the end it is almost 20 year from the end of it when will we look to the future for solutions rather then the bast for who to blame?Report Abuse
Tabza325is
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Your stuff was returned to you, unfortunately Motsepe, Tokyo and Cyril decided to take it all for themselves, becominh instant multibillionares, instead of dividing the wealth.
In a way you are right, the little that was left after apartheit was taken by politicians turned businessmen, but most of the country's resource and wealth is still in the hands of a few white people who also aquired thier wealth during apartheit, the ANC failed to negotiate a better deal after apartheit and the little that was left was engulfed by those guys you mensioned. But I get your point.
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DJ-Winner
Well, you attend DA rallies. I expected to hear that.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Thuli if ONLY you were running for presidency, just maybe you would lead us out of the mess SA has become,@Ndese1 supposing your accusation on Thuli being a DA member was true, is that illegal to be a DA member? or you are being a typical anc chauvinist out to control (trying) and curtail women's freedom to chose and associate? yhazi men like you and the rest like zumalema will definitely take SA and its hard won liberties back into the stone age, I read your president's primitive comments about women, and that its wrong to be single and that a woman should be married and produce babies, but then again he is doing his fair share of ensuring that women remain barefooted and chained firmly in the kitchen, it breaks my heart that SA has caveman for a leader,
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somaartakeit
@DJ-WinnerWell, you attend DA rallies. I expected to hear that.- why shouldn't Thuli attend a women's rally with organised by a progressive party? if one has to look at the wl of the anc, its hopeless, just take a look at all anc women lead departments and see all the chaos and you will understand why a progressive SAn woman such as Thuli wouldn't attend anc organised rallies, and whilst at read your presidents views on the Dali Tambo show about women and their roles in society,
Thuli is right most of the gov failures are due to corruption and incompetence of the cadres deployed that coupled with lack of vision and proper leadership, hence our country is regressing.
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Msiphos00
SOLUTIONSMadonsela hit back, saying she was unfazed by the criticism and that her office would not arbitrarily adapt operations because one organisation wants things to be done a certain way.
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Good for you!
saying there was no progress in clamping down on it.
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We are moving backwards, we need a competent party to take us forward and run SA as the successful country it could be, the anc is not it.
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Zille must be paying you very well
And please it is not anc it's ANC (ANC to lead until Jesus comes)
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CYBORICO
Sinudeity_CYBORICO - "but people do change, so please elaborate, kinda lost as to what fighting black means"
Well, in the last elections people were urged not to vote for Zuma. Due to corruption and whatever else. It was coined "Fight back". Unfortunately, the ANC threw its full weight behind Zuma, and turned the phrase into "Fight black". Therefore, your anti-Zuma sentiments are "Fight black".
The moral of the story, dont get sucked into useless ANC campaigns next time. You will end up paying for it in the long run.
Maybe u looked too much into what i said about mistakes many of us made, well the us in this case doesnot include me, just fellow anc voters, i was against this from the begining, its just that i a man who likes his current position to be well defined. the country is in K@k, and we need to move away from it, we wont by just calling for the sacking of the president, we wont if we use the zoo voting in mangaung and anc goes on to win national elections, we loose stability as a country by calling for anarchy now and again
So if i sound anti Zuma that was not the purpose, my views here a driven by what i vieww as good for SA, u will say DA is better if i am really concerned bout the country, but i will tell u they will never bring the stability the anc has brought, so i still need the anc to give us another 10 yrs or so while we sort out our differences as races of SA, then I might start voting for other parties
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Papgat
"President Jacob Zuma has in one of his radio interviews blamed apartheid architect Hendrik Verwoerd for the failure of the current education system to supply books to pupils in Limpopo". I can`t stop laughing for this blame,tlitlitli..............tliReport Abuse
Mgaraji
DA is deploying more & more white members to this site. They blog whole day and you can see they are paid to respond to every racists article. ANC will rule this country for the next 200 yrs, get use to it. Even during the apartheid there were black people who defended apartheid. Suddenly apartheid was the best thing we ever had.Thuli you are a discipline comrade in the movement, refrain from defending apartheid.
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somaartakeit
anc chauvinists read here why many PROGRESSIVE women dissociate themselves from the anc,http://mg.co.za/article/2012-08-21-zuma-women-must-have-children
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KaNnete
Aparteid might not be responsible for some of the current problems that we have but white people made sure that they secure their next generation's future at our expenseReport Abuse
DJ-Winner
somaartakeit@DJ-Winner
Well, you attend DA rallies. I expected to hear that.- why shouldn't Thuli attend a women's rally with organised by a progressive party?
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Well, she won't be trusted. She must be independent. We think she supports DA.
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DJ-Winner
KaNneteAparteid might not be responsible for some of the current problems that we have but white people made sure that they secure their next generation's future at our expense
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And they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
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Danielrjvvuren
Guys if she go's to a rally could it maybe be that she, being of that sex, wanted to hear what they have to say rather then join the opposition party? So paranoid over such a little thing. The fact that it was done by the DA should be irrelevant. Her duty is to protect our human rights regardless of colour and it seems she is truly moving towards transformation. I think she should be applauded for her efforts.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@DJ its your choice and democratic right to trust whom you like, majority of educated folk in SA respect Madonsela's work, she has been professional during all her professional responsibilities, that can't be said for 99.9% of anc MPs incl president.Report Abuse
WhiteImpCapMidAgeMaleChauvPig
THULI FOR PRESIDENT!Report Abuse
RobinH
CHange the record DJ. It's stuck.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
yes Thuli it is your right to support DA,but who says we blame everything on apartheid,but a major of our problems are the result of the leagacy of apartheid,you can continue to appease the whites but please nit at the expense of blacksReport Abuse
MommaC
What a marvellous example of womanhood this sister is :)Nobody can deny that apartheid left behind a lot of problems but using it to blame current errors is just ridiculous.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Thuli is overstating her importance,DA is using her thats all ,they are treating her as a modern askariReport Abuse
LBS
@DJ-WinnerWell, she won't be trusted. She must be independent. We think she supports DA
-----------------Doubt it, but the constitution allows for the freedom of association ;)
And they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
------------------He's an e.ducated man so are you saying he's s.tupid?
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DJ-Winner
somaartakeit@DJ its your choice and democratic right to trust whom you like, majority of educated folk in SA respect Madonsela's work, she has been professional during all her professional responsibilities, that can't be said for 99.9% of anc MPs incl president.
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She is a public protector. She must be indepedent. People will say she is not investigating DA because she likes them. You see?
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Kitsoboswa
Viva Madonsela. When are we going to take responisibility of our actions. 18 years later we are still blaming apartheid. Holding on the bad things will never take us any where. What is it that our current govt is doing that is different from the apartheid era. Those who have power are enriching themselves, the black are killing, raping, other black people. Blacks are tribalistic, some think that they are better that others. Criticism is all that we know.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
DJWinner attending a women's rally organised by any political party doesn't not automatically constitutes that attendees support said party, please move with times, its really tiring to have to explain the obvious, ie freedom of choice and association women enjoy today!!! Thuli is not anyone's possession as such she is a free woman who can do as she deems fit in her spare time as long as such actions are in line with rule of law, as far as her attending DA women's month organised rally, there is nothing illegal about her actions, so please chauvinist male p!gs who are out to control woman right to chose and associate, back off!!!Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
LBSAnd they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
------------------He's an e.ducated man so are you saying he's s.tupid?
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He is not stupid, but yes by the look of things it seems he was compromised. Serving so many years in jail and signing that thing, it was really a shocker when we look back at it now and the current state of this country.
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cornelius
It's ridiculous to blame Verwoerd for the dumped text books in Limpopo, he died a long time ago and cannot be running around Limpopo throwing text books in bushes. But what about FW, has anybody asked him his whereabouts during the last 2 months ?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@NyongoyamavendaThuli is overstating her importance,DA is using her thats all ,they are treating her as a modern askari
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another anc male chauvinist with no ability to respect a woman's right to chose and associate, God if you're do really exist, please help us out of this darkness the anc chauvinists are imposing on us,
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MGEEZ
Indeed; we can not blame everything on Apartheid!!!Report Abuse
nkwahla
if all the ministers act like you Madonsela South Africa will be a better place. But as its stand corupt investigate the corupt.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
somaartakeitDJWinner attending a women's rally organised by any political party doesn't not automatically constitutes that attendees support said party, please move with times, its really tiring to have to explain the obvious, ie freedom of choice and association women enjoy today!!! Thuli is not anyone's possession as such she is a free woman who can do as she deems fit in her spare time as long as such actions are in line with rule of law, as far as her attending DA women's month organised rally, there is nothing illegal about her actions, so please chauvinist male p!gs who are out to control woman right to chose and associate, back off!!!
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Women must be free, we support that. You can attend all rallies of your choice, we don't care. You are not a public protector. It is diffferent with the the public protector. So many people think she supports DA now and she put herself in a questionable state.
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CYBORICO
DA is just power hungry and that makes them loos focus, currently they have a few municipalities and infighting between the anc and Da is rife in those areas, make that the whole of sa u get an alsost unrunnable country, with people protesting just to surbotage, currently in anc areas people r not free to freely support opposigtion as the comunities see that as being a traitor, threats r the thing of the dayhence they need to recruit many peeople who have influence in their respective comunities if they realy dream of getting back in power and have a stable coutry to run. people r anc out there, so Da wining national elections will just cause us more harm than good, and this harm will be mostly to the millions in rurals and locations.
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Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - Cool, well the comment wasnt specifically aimed at you. Was using my response to make a generic point.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@DJ-WinnerLBS
And they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
------------------He's an e.ducated man so are you saying he's s.tupid?
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"He is not stupid, but yes by the look of things it seems he was compromised" Ja what the hell, his brains must have been on holiday when he was 'compromised' as such he couldn't think or do the right thing, that will teach black ppl to chose leaders who think and use their brains everytime they take decisions that will impact their lives,
DJ does it make you feel good being a eternal victim of circumstances? cause from where I stand its not sexy at all, you know black women and children need hero's all we can hear from men like you is complaints about how you are being hard done by the world, please grow a pair, you just might enjoy some level of self respect,
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Voetzek
I realy love this ugly woman she is similar to malema in politics" she call spade a spade"Report Abuse
CYBORICO
corneliusIt's ridiculous to blame Verwoerd for the dumped text books in Limpopo, he died a long time ago and cannot be running around Limpopo throwing text books in bushes. But what about FW, has anybody asked him his whereabouts during the last 2 months ?
Funny stuff man, LOL
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LBS
@DJ-WinnerLBS
And they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
------------------He's an e.ducated man so are you saying he's s.tupid?
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He is not stupid, but yes by the look of things it seems he was compromised. Serving so many years in jail and signing that thing, it was really a shocker when we look back at it now and the current state of this country.
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The current state of the country is due to ANC INCOMPETANCE/GREED/CORRUPTION and FRAUD.
Place the blame on the current encumbents who are responsible not the tooth fairy and little green men from Mars.
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Sjamolelo
We should make "BLAME' an official language in this country and see howit works out.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Your stuff was returned to you, unfortunately Motsepe, Tokyo and Cyril decided to take it all for themselves, becominh instant multibillionares, instead of dividing the wealth.
"They now put the system that makes sure that we've shut out and we dont get to our feet because of the apartheid"
What system dude? Enlighten us to what you are talking about here.
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In whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet.
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Moffdat
Women really need to stand up and stop being used as political puppets. So many women are in positions of power because of our political climate. Take a look at our DG's and their deputies, Directors of giant conglomorates but it seems they are there merely to fill a post.viva Thuli viva.
p.s. I request a civil, unbiased, objective discussion today. You know i'm talking to you!!!!
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Sinudeity_
Mgaraji - "DA is deploying more & more white members to this site. They blog whole day and you can see they are paid to respond to every racists article."LOL, thats not true. Black folks are always saying that white folks dont want to mingle with them. So instead of commenting on "Die beeld" or something like that, Im here :P
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somaartakeit
@DJ-Winnersomaartakeit
"So many people think she supports DA now and she put herself in a questionable state" you can think what you want, as long its not backed up with EVIDENCE such as those who believe anc regime is a regime of incompetence and corruption have evidence to back this up this belief, charges against Thuli till proven otherwise are a pathetic attempt by chauvinist ppl trying to curtail her freedom of choice and movements and association as enshrined in the constitution, you anc chauvinists would do well to read and comprehend what's entailed in the constitution its in all 11 official languages I don't understand why you always don't get it or its convenient for you to not get it?
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DJ-Winner
MGEEZIndeed; we can not blame everything on Apartheid!!!
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Yes, but than again talking about it is not a crime. Some people are very quick to try and shut you up the moment you mention the word aparteid. They say we are making white people uncomfortable. Why were we abused even in the first place?
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somaartakeit
@SjamoleloWe should make "BLAME' an official language in this country and see howit works out.
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LoL classic!
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Danielrjvvuren
SjamoleloI have finally lost faith in humanities ability and question how we became the dominant species on this planet when I got a pamphlet for pamphlet distribution, so having "blame" added as a 12th language will sit well with my new view of the world.
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LBS
@KaNneteAparteid might not be responsible for some of the current problems that we have but white people made sure that they secure their next generation's future at our expense
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How so? Please explain how YT does this. TIA
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cornelius
@ DJ Winner I assume you are referring to the constitution, not the freedom charter. ?Please, what asspects of the constituion do you regard as a " shocker when we look back at it now " ?
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Lehido
If Thuli attends an ANC event, will some of you still talk?...As long as there is evidence that she is a DA member, i think we should shut up...This lady has done a GOOD JOB SO FAR....She ousted criminals, and the ANC knows very well that should Zuma loose in Mangaung, she will go after him with guns blazing like she did Cele and Shiceka......One dau Thuli will president regardless of what party she will avail herself for.....makr my words.....
Viva President Thuli Viva, youmake some men shake in their boots
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DJ-Winner
LBS@DJ-Winner
LBS
And they compromised Mandela to sign the so called freedom charter. I don't think he knew what he was signing...
------------------He's an e.ducated man so are you saying he's s.tupid?
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He is not stupid, but yes by the look of things it seems he was compromised. Serving so many years in jail and signing that thing, it was really a shocker when we look back at it now and the current state of this country.
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The current state of the country is due to ANC INCOMPETANCE/GREED/CORRUPTION and FRAUD.
Place the blame on the current encumbents who are responsible not the tooth fairy and little green men from Mars.
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It is not only due to this. The land still has to be returned to people. Mines still have to nationalised, etc. We believe that our people will see economic freedom in our lifetime.
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somaartakeit
@DJWinner, I am all for talking openly and honestly about apartheid but problem comes in when some anc use it as a shield to hide behind incompetence and unaccountability which is the major problem in our country.Lets talk about apartheid by all means, but lets not try to use it to excuse irresponsible bahaviour of some gov officials today, eg the limpopo txt book scandal and the Marikana event, and blatant corrupt are brainchildren of the anc regime, lets for once put the blame where it rightly belongs,
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LBS
@MgarajiDA is deploying more & more white members to this site. They blog whole day and you can see they are paid to respond to every racists article.
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Racist article?
Where do I queue to get my pay cheque?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "people must bring our stuff so we can be better."
People must stop buuurning down schools and universities so you can be better. The government must deliver textbooks, and the teachers need to stop f***ing around.
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Do u really mean we have to go and waste our time at the uneversities whilst you're taking matriculated kids and put them in learnership programmes for the work i'm studying in university then give them work and pay them peanuts,by then the graduates are running around with degrees,diplomas and ect?
You whites think you clever.
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somaartakeit
Also DJ on the land comment to LBS, what happened to the landbank fraudulent schemes where money earmarked for land restitution program varnished? why blame farmers/whites when clearly its the anc regime which has no will power or know-how to address our national issues? will this eternal blaming of apartheid achieve us (SAns) results?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
cornelius@ DJ Winner I assume you are referring to the constitution, not the freedom charter. ?
Please, what asspects of the constituion do you regard as a " shocker when we look back at it now " ?
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No. I'm talking about freedom charter. Look at it yourself and try and see if you can see through....
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CYBORICO
@DJwinnerWomen must be free, we support that. You can attend all rallies of your choice, we don't care. You are not a public protector. It is diffferent with the the public protector. So many people think she supports DA now and she put herself in a questionable state.
its the problem i keep highlighting here about black people needing to feel before they act, well Thuli doesnot need to feel before doing her job, she thinks first, corruption? i will handle it this way, currently corruption is rife within the rulling party and that affects the nation, why should she be chasing Da, or Cope corruption? tax money is missused this side and u suggets Thuli starts investigation the other side? She is doing her job , not trying to save someones job or getting someone fired, she is doing here job the best way she knows
People like u compromise your profession to please others, thats not the case with this women, gov employees put their carrees on the line helping stupid tender people, now when they hear Thuli is coming they say its politically motivated, u failed to do your job and now u want those who take their seriouse to turn a blind eye?
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RobinH
Mgaraji: Oh god, you're funny. Your aburdity is hysterical. HA HA HA HA HA Ha.Report Abuse
LBS
@DJ-WinnerIt is not only due to this. The land still has to be returned to people. Mines still have to nationalised, etc. We believe that our people will see economic freedom in our lifetime
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With all due respect your comments are getting boring and the subject matter has been talked to death.
The ONLY way to get economic freedom is to work for it.
If you're' connected' you may get to sit on your @rse and have things handed to you on a plate.
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Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit@Nyongoyamavenda
Thuli is overstating her importance,DA is using her thats all ,they are treating her as a modern askari
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another anc male chauvinist with no ability to respect a woman's right to chose and associate, God if you're do really exist, please help us out of this darkness the anc chauvinists are imposing on us,
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why are you calling me male chauvinist for my views,dont i have the right to air my observation,its not about gender this woman gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies,she selling blacks to DA for what,she is only one who knows
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somaartakeit
and in any-case if contents of the freedom charter are not implement DJ as you suggest, who is to blame for that? the anc is in charge my friend, instead of advancing your interests they advanced personal interests of the political elite, through corruption, as things stand anc regime is the MOST corrupt regime SA ever had, and you my friend should be ashamed to support corruption which only serves to impoverish million black ppl.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
somaartakeitAlso DJ on the land comment to LBS, what happened to the landbank fraudulent schemes where money earmarked for land restitution program varnished? why blame farmers/whites when clearly its the anc regime which has no will power or know-how to address our national issues? will this eternal blaming of apartheid achieve us (SAns) results?
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Well, stealing is a crime and those people should be brought to justice. Corruption is there, yes, but it must not be used an excuse for people to hold on to land.
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THEmadame2B-BBEE
Andile Mnxitama must respond to this, yet again he's also F@ked-upReport Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MoffdatWomen really need to stand up and stop being used as political puppets. So many women are in positions of power because of our political climate. Take a look at our DG's and their deputies, Directors of giant conglomorates but it seems they are there merely to fill a post.
viva Thuli viva.
p.s. I request a civil, unbiased, objective discussion today. You know i'm talking to you!!!!
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thuli has reduced herself to a DA pa excercise and throwing her good work out of th window
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Danielrjvvuren
LBSWhy is the concept of "hard work pays off" such a hard thing to understand by some? Economic freedom is not about the mines it's about bettering yourself and working hard. Rather start getting involved with the Minister of Education to get education up to scratch rather then wanting to be handed things. Have I not always said EDUCATION is key?
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somaartakeit
@Nyongoyamavenda you are not airing views you are slandering Thuli for daring to exercise her right to chose and associate. This mentality is born from the fact that African males think they are sole custodians of decision making on behalf of women and children, that my friend does not bode well with our constitution as it stands, Thuli like every woman in our country has won liberties she enjoys, let her be, and deal with her when she fails to perform in her job, so far she is one of the very few gov officials who are professional and taking their responsibilities serious, you anc ppl attack her cause she has uncovered and exposed a lot of your crony willing and dealings at public expense,Report Abuse
CYBORICO
VoetzekI realy love this ugly woman she is similar to malema in politics" she call spade a spade
a gud example of someone who need to feel before thinking, thulis looks have nothinh to do with this whole thing, i bet if your Malema was an ugly dude you would be supporting someone different, or if he was not your homeboy or something? u dont need to luv thuli, or see her as atractive for her to do a good job u barbaric fool from the stone age.
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MommaC
NyongoyamavendaTwisting the truth a bit there?
Her son took the car while she was sleeping
There are a number of draft reports that she has overturned after discussing them with the relevant people
She has attended many, many ANC meetings - She even acted as a consultant to the NEC
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LBS@DJ-Winner
It is not only due to this. The land still has to be returned to people. Mines still have to nationalised, etc. We believe that our people will see economic freedom in our lifetime
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With all due respect your comments are getting boring and the subject matter has been talked to death.
The ONLY way to get economic freedom is to work for it.
If you're' connected' you may get to sit on your @rse and have things handed to you on a plate.
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The truth is always boring, ins't?
Yes, returning land to people and nationalisation of mine will create job opportunities for people.
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Poppitlove
@MgarajiDA is deploying more & more white members to this site. They blog whole day and you can see they are paid to respond to every racists article. ANC will rule this country for the next 200 yrs, get use to it. Even during the apartheid there were black people who defended apartheid. Suddenly apartheid was the best thing we ever had.
Thuli you are a discipline comrade in the movement, refrain from defending apartheid.
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The DA is deploying more and more white members to this site? Are you for real?
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DJ-Winner
I still mantian my point that women must be free, we support that. You can attend all rallies of your choice, we don't care. You are not a public protector. It is diffferent with the the public protector. So many people think she supports DA now and she put herself in a questionable state.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
@Danielrjvvurenu r keeping it very clean and wise my man, keep it up, dont get draged by the hsort fused fellas like me and sinudeity and Soma
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somaartakeit
@DJ no one is holding to any land which is not legal theirs, but nobody is going to give you land willy nilly, everyone must pay that is what the landbank funds were for which were stolen by your anc cronies, this blaming the whites for everything, you need to have a level of intelligence to make it stick, otherwise as it stands now its a laughable to blame them for land reform, did you your mind take leave of absence for a moment and you didn't realise that whites are not in power anymore but the anc is?Report Abuse
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Poppitlove@Mgaraji
DA is deploying more & more white members to this site. They blog whole day and you can see they are paid to respond to every racists article. ANC will rule this country for the next 200 yrs, get use to it. Even during the apartheid there were black people who defended apartheid. Suddenly apartheid was the best thing we ever had.
Thuli you are a discipline comrade in the movement, refrain from defending apartheid.
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The DA is deploying more and more white members to this site? Are you for real?
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ha ha ha ha...funny, but it's true.
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skhokho21
Somaartakeit, criticising Thuli`s attendance of a DA rally has nothing to do with women`s rights. Thuli should stay out of party politics. Thuli had a preliminary report on DA corruption, Zille threatened her with court if she does not change that findings, to my surprise, she changed the report & cleared the DA, while we are still digesting that she attends a DA rally, how are we suppose to trust her independancy if Zille is remote controlling her. I have no problem with her doing her job on government to protect us but if she wants to be a party politician, she must resign & join the DA with pleasure. By being dragged into party politics she will neglect her duties, already, I don`t see her office looking at the justice system that sentences a b lack man to l ife for k illing a w hite person but when its the other way round they pay fines & walk scot f r e e.Report Abuse
LBS
@AllWhy, when a black person show integrity, ambition, honestty or whatever GOOD quality, do 'some' of you try to pull them down?
Thuli is a wondeful person - try to see the good she does REGARDLESS of who is in the firing line instead of finding fault with her.
In short SUPPORT her in the same way some of you blindly support the ANC and all the cr@p they show us daily.
Thuli is someone worth emulating and a real role model for the youth unlike ...... (no names mentioned but you know who I mean)
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@MommaCNyongoyamavenda
Twisting the truth a bit there?
Her son took the car while she was sleeping
There are a number of draft reports that she has overturned after discussing them with the relevant people
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and for that Thuli received a well deserved round house kick from many of us, and she took it in her stride unlike the anc when we criticise their transgression against us they send us mantashe or blade or mthembu to tell us off, as if its their right to transgress against us tax payers,
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Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeityou are slandering me by this ''african men'' you know nothing about african ,i was raised in an african family and my father nver ever disrepected my mother and my mother is a woman,i respect woman,you the facts i have stated about Thuli whichis, this woman gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies please dont pesonalise this issue and obssesed about attacking me its Thuli we are talking about here
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CYBORICODidn't you see I'm a new man after my walk in with a pamphlet distributer distributing pamphlet about pamphlet distribution. I've decided that life is too upside down to be dragged down. haha How you been man.
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somaartakeit@DJ no one is holding to any land which is not legal theirs, but nobody is going to give you land willy nilly, everyone must pay that is what the landbank funds were for which were stolen by your anc cronies, this blaming the whites for everything, you need to have a level of intelligence to make it stick, otherwise as it stands now its a laughable to blame them for land reform, did you your mind take leave of absence for a moment and you didn't realise that whites are not in power anymore but the anc is?
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Those people did not buy the land themselves. This land belongs to the people of South Africa. People must share it as they contribute towards reconciliation and eradication of poverty.
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Anyway good people I must now dash, Thuli keep exposing corruption, if it means anc mps are the most caught with their scruffy hands in the public till so be it, don't feel bad about doing the right, going to teh rally of your choosing is not illegal, Thuli you should be a president SA need women of your caliber to take this country where it should have been already 15yrs ago.Report Abuse
Poppitlove
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeIn whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet.
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That's how it is in every business. They want either a degree or work experience. It's like that across the world. It is not a white thing.
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skhokho21Somaartakeit, criticising Thuli`s attendance of a DA rally has nothing to do with women`s rights. Thuli should stay out of party politics. Thuli had a preliminary report on DA corruption, Zille threatened her with court if she does not change that findings, to my surprise, she changed the report & cleared the DA, while we are still digesting that she attends a DA rally, how are we suppose to trust her independancy if Zille is remote controlling her. I have no problem with her doing her job on government to protect us but if she wants to be a party politician, she must resign & join the DA with pleasure. By being dragged into party politics she will neglect her duties, already, I don`t see her office looking at the justice system that sentences a b lack man to l ife for k illing a w hite person but when its the other way round they pay fines & walk scot f r e e.
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True.
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@MommaC
Nyongoyamavenda
Twisting the truth a bit there?
Her son took the car while she was sleeping
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you believe that crab,what wiil do when you do something against the rules and somthing terrible went wrong,she was just covering up,the was probably always driving the car
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "n whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet."The what? But thats how business guarantees its return on investment. Instead of hating the game, why not learn how to play the game instead?
Why not encourage people to get their degrees?
As for the experience part, you realise that this is what the wage subsidy is for?
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m'zaco'
of course we shouldnt blame apartheid. However the ripple effects of the past cannot be ignored nor be shunned, they are spitting on our faces i.e. poverty, inequalities, bigotry___ the list is endlessReport Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
DJ-WinnerI will relinquish all my wealth if and when the government can successfully maintain and make all their endeavors profitable holding TQM in mind for a period of 10 years. If they can show us, the people of SA, that they can manage their organizations to better our lives then I will hand over what ever I have and merrily skip into socialism where we all can be equally poor, all I want is that government shows us that we can trust them is all.
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Mgarajiskhokho21
Somaartakeit, criticising Thuli`s attendance of a DA rally has nothing to do with women`s rights. Thuli should stay out of party politics. Thuli had a preliminary report on DA corruption, Zille threatened her with court if she does not change that findings, to my surprise, she changed the report & cleared the DA, while we are still digesting that she attends a DA rally, how are we suppose to trust her independancy if Zille is remote controlling her. I have no problem with her doing her job on government to protect us but if she wants to be a party politician, she must resign & join the DA with pleasure. By being dragged into party politics she will neglect her duties, already, I don`t see her office looking at the justice system that sentences a b lack man to l ife for k illing a w hite person but when its the other way round they pay fines & walk scot f r e e.
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True.
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true
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somaartakeitAnyway good people I must now dash, Thuli keep exposing corruption, if it means anc mps are the most caught with their scruffy hands in the public till so be it, don't feel bad about doing the right, going to teh rally of your choosing is not illegal, Thuli you should be a president SA need women of your caliber to take this country where it should have been already 15yrs ago.
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running from me or the truth?
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somaartakeit
@DJ that again is a thoughtless accusation, many ppl in SA owe the bank for the land the own, how many times must this be told to you? yes there is are past injustices that needs to be addressed, but why blame whites for it when its the anc which you support which has failed you? the whites came to the party after 1994 but they were discouraged by rampant corruption and unaccountability, believe me whites have much more at stake than to not co-operate with what is legal, but we can't expect white ppl to pour in more into the black corrupt pit. Lets be fair and deal with politicians who used land bank funds to piggy bank themselves and their families, cause its their corrupt actions which have set land reform progress back. But if you want to let them get away, then you shouldn't blame whites for your being landless.Report Abuse
Poppitlove
@LehidoIf Thuli attends an ANC event, will some of you still talk?...As long as there is evidence that she is a DA member, i think we should shut up...This lady has done a GOOD JOB SO FAR....She ousted criminals, and the ANC knows very well that should Zuma loose in Mangaung, she will go after him with guns blazing like she did Cele and Shiceka......
One dau Thuli will president regardless of what party she will avail herself for.....makr my words.....
Viva President Thuli Viva, youmake some men shake in their boots
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If she starts a party and campaign today she will have my vote. I agree with you. Excellent for calling a spade a spade.
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If Apartheid was the problem then things would have been getting better every year that the ANC was in control. Over almost 2 decades the problem would have been eliminated completely. Instead, things have been getting worse. The problem is not Apartheid but the ANC.Report Abuse
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DanielrjvvurenCYBORICO
Didn't you see I'm a new man after my walk in with a pamphlet distributer distributing pamphlet about pamphlet distribution. I've decided that life is too upside down to be dragged down. haha How you been man.
Gud Gud, cant complain bout nothing except the corruption and waste. still getting down with them studies?
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Nyongoyamavendasomaartakeit
Anyway good people I must now dash, Thuli keep exposing corruption, if it means anc mps are the most caught with their scruffy hands in the public till so be it, don't feel bad about doing the right, going to teh rally of your choosing is not illegal, Thuli you should be a president SA need women of your caliber to take this country where it should have been already 15yrs ago.
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running from me or the truth?
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hev better things to do with my time, my debating brain numbing politics,
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Danielrjvvuren
CYBORICOMore like studies getting down on me. Last semester so cramming and getting everything where it is needed. Yeah man we must tackle that waste problem hey? I always say I don't want excess, all I want is if on a Sunday I want to go for a beer on the beach I can tell the friends I will take them and we can have a good time. These people who have too much, what do you need so much for? hahah
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@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "n whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet."
The what? But thats how business guarantees its return on investment. Instead of hating the game, why not learn how to play the game instead?
Why not encourage people to get their degrees?
As for the experience part, you realise that this is what the wage subsidy is for?
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Keep seeking way out boet but atleast i've told you the truth you didnt know and your eyes are opened today that we're awere of all shitty systems you guys put in place to ensure black man's suffering.
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Sinudeity_
So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
RoseNtuliIf Apartheid was the problem then things would have been getting better every year that the ANC was in control. Over almost 2 decades the problem would have been eliminated completely. Instead, things have been getting worse. The problem is not Apartheid but the ANC.
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100% in agreement with this view.
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@DanielrjvvurenOom Dan,how's oom?lol
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somaartakeitNyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit
Anyway good people I must now dash, Thuli keep exposing corruption, if it means anc mps are the most caught with their scruffy hands in the public till so be it, don't feel bad about doing the right, going to teh rally of your choosing is not illegal, Thuli you should be a president SA need women of your caliber to take this country where it should have been already 15yrs ago.
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running from me or the truth?
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hev better things to do with my time, my debating brain numbing politics
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when sombody has run out of mental steam ,the easiest way is to admit you are wrong and thuly is doing a damage to herself and we are simply taking note of it
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Tsatsatsa
Thuli Madonsela is the kind of leader we need eSouth Africa. Someone that doesn't exclude herself from the problem. She uses words like WE and US. Government has a simple (Primary) duty to deliver services to the people. Mgaraji and others like him need a wake up call.Report Abuse
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somaartakeitRoseNtuli
If Apartheid was the problem then things would have been getting better every year that the ANC was in control. Over almost 2 decades the problem would have been eliminated completely. Instead, things have been getting worse. The problem is not Apartheid but the ANC.
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100% in agreement with this view.
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so according there is nothing right going on?where do youlive?
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Danielrjvvuren
KatakataEmaotoAditshepeOom? Think I just aged 3 years in seconds. Hahah doing good man. Cold day in Dbn need some Sherry and maybe Cherri too. There?
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somaartakeit@DJ that again is a thoughtless accusation, many ppl in SA owe the bank for the land the own, how many times must this be told to you? yes there is are past injustices that needs to be addressed, but why blame whites for it when its the anc which you support which has failed you? the whites came to the party after 1994 but they were discouraged by rampant corruption and unaccountability, believe me whites have much more at stake than to not co-operate with what is legal, but we can't expect white ppl to pour in more into the black corrupt pit. Lets be fair and deal with politicians who used land bank funds to piggy bank themselves and their families, cause its their corrupt actions which have set land reform progress back. But if you want to let them get away, then you shouldn't blame whites for your being landless.
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In my previous comments, I greed with you that corrupt people must be brought to justice. My concern here is that people are using corruption as excuse of refusing to share the land. As long as we are in a state of denial about these things, our reconciliation efforts will continue to fail and people will revisit aparteid legacy from time to time.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Keep seeking way out boet but atleast i've told you the truth you didnt know and your eyes are opened today that we're awere of all shitty systems you guys put in place to ensure black man's suffering."Hehehe, sh1tty systems, such as businesses and economics? This is how business works my son. Now do you realise why I have been focussing so much on education? Why Ive been villifying students buuurning down schools and university libraries? Because in the end you screw yourselves, and then you blame white folks and their 'systems'.
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skhokho21
MommaC, she was not a Public Protect when she was doing consulting work for NEC, Irrespective, her son took from taxpayers and should have been charged for theft but then again that is not the issue, all some of us are saying Thuli should stay out of party politics, period.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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hey man are you listening to yourself?
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Skhokho> Attending a function is hardly being active in party politics. She can go where she wants and attend what she wants.Report Abuse
mokudubete
Mme Madonsela,u are one special,interligence lady,your bravery and objectivety must be commended,I wish what u have said can fall in the ears of those who want to see a better south africa,who are prepared to assume responsibility than passing a buck.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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Look what clever white man is saying. Do you think or you just write?
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DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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I can see you are trying to make a joke. Unfortunately, you made a joke that is not very funny.
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Danielrjvvuren
TsatsatsaI didn't even notice that? Good point, but isn't it part of the human condition to always think in terms of "me and I"? I would like to see more inclusive leaders who would debate and hold office for all South Africans against thugs like America and China rather then infighting with cheap race and apartheid tactics. I hear Thuli is rather impartial in all her decisions my father seems to like her and he is an old fool to even impress on a good day.
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DJ-Winner - Wouldnt need to 'share land' if there wasnt corruption or incompetence.Report Abuse
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Poppitlove@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
In whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet.
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That's how it is in every business. They want either a degree or work experience. It's like that across the world. It is not a white thing.
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Poppitlove,in my work place we've plenty whites who dont have the matric but they've been employed and to us blacks it's strictly matric cerficate and if you dont have no chance.In many companies there're managers who dont even have a crèche graduation certificate but you reporting to them,so is the system correct if it favours a certain communty?
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MgarajiSinudeity_
So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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Look what clever white man is saying. Do you think or you just write?
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oh you stay in CT you must be high
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somaartakeit
@nyongo just to indulge you, mental stimulating debate wld involve discussing points raised by THuli, not hurling insults at her for daring to exercise her freedom of choice and association, that is a result of most African males IN-ability to respect that a woman is not a possession and as such is free to exercise her rights as she deems fit and in accordance with the constitution, now according to SA's constitution, is it ILLEGAL for Thuli to attend a rally of her choosing?Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Keep seeking way out boet but atleast i've told you the truth you didnt know and your eyes are opened today that we're awere of all shitty systems you guys put in place to ensure black man's suffering."
Hehehe, sh1tty systems, such as businesses and economics? This is how business works my son. Now do you realise why I have been focussing so much on education? Why Ive been villifying students buuurning down schools and university libraries? Because in the end you screw yourselves, and then you blame white folks and their 'systems'.
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Hey!shut up,you're exactly like you ANC brothers.
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Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Yeah, we've heard these 'rumours' (unfortunately no proof to the claims) that white folks and managers only have 'matric'.Its simply not true :P
I also heard from my second cousins best friends etc.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepePoppitlove
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
In whites companies if you've got the degree without work experience they want an experience and if you've the work experience without the degree,they want the degree,that's shitty system whites put to shut us out in their businesses boet.
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That's how it is in every business. They want either a degree or work experience. It's like that across the world. It is not a white thing.
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Poppitlove,in my work place we've plenty whites who dont have the matric but they've been employed and to us blacks it's strictly matric cerficate and if you dont have no chance.In many companies there're managers who dont even have a crèche graduation certificate but you reporting to them,so is the system correct if it favours a certain communty
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it is happening in many companies no wonder 90% of black matriclants dont find job while the opposite is true for whites apartheid is simply continuing in the private sector
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LBS
@ DJ-WinnerThe truth is always boring, ins't?
**No but rehashing what has been discussed umteen times is!
Yes, returning land to people and nationalisation of mine will create job opportunities for people.
** Let me ask you a hyperthetical question.
Say the land is 'returned' to the people - now stolen from the people who paid for it - who will work it to generate the food that is needed to feed the nation? Who will be the boss or manager overseeing and making things work? Who will pay for the upkeep and salaries?
Don't forget that farmers have a passion for the land and are prepared for the backbreaking work it takes to make a profit not to mention the education needed to farm properly.
Now the mines are given to the people - stolen from those who bought and invested in them and who are educated enough to run them.
Who will be the boss or manager or will it be a free-for-all with everyone being the boss?
Where does the finance come from to run the mines and do vital maintenance?
Where does the government get the taxes generated by the previous mineowners to help run the country?
How does thiswork in Lalaland where 'all' will be wealthy by grabbing what someone else created or will that get figured out some time in the future?
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bhabhatjhi
I use to like too woman when she use to keep a low profile...but now she becoming more arrogant....MEDIA attention....Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Sinudeity_So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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So Madonsela attended DA organised women's month rally big deal!! the world is coming to an end, isn't amazing how these anc ppl are amused by a small things? the txt for their children in Limpopo are not delivered they've said nothing or done nothing about that, but let a woman (Madonsela) dares to exercise her right to choose and associate damn, all hell breaks loose, one has to wonder priorities of some of these ppl.
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - Wouldnt need to 'share land' if there wasnt corruption or incompetence.
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I know you are against reconciliation. I'm aware of that....
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NyongoyamavendaSinudeity_
So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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hey man are you listening to yourself?
dont run away from this bro, Zuma has fredom to associate, and he chose the anc, Thuli has the same right, and she chosses DA, whenever there r party gatherings each will attent their respective parties function, anything wrong there? r u saying we must not trust Zuma as he only serves the interest of anc voters, cope, pac, non voter r all to fend for themselves?
the problem her is that u dont trust Thuli's intergrity, u think the DA will control her or something, well i say let the DA help her by pointing out the rotten potatos and Thuli will confirm the rot, whether the compalin comes from DA or the general public doenot matter as long as Thuli exposes the corrupt,
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "shut up,you're exactly like you ANC brothers."Great retort my son.
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@DanielrjvvurenKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Oom? Think I just aged 3 years in seconds. Hahah doing good man. Cold day in Dbn need some Sherry and maybe Cherri too. There?
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Lol! u're a man,man!
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MommaC
Why is Thuli being attacked on a personal level?Could it be because nobody can argue against what she has said?
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LBS@ DJ-Winner
The truth is always boring, ins't?
**No but rehashing what has been discussed umteen times is!
Yes, returning land to people and nationalisation of mine will create job opportunities for people.
** Let me ask you a hyperthetical question.
Say the land is 'returned' to the people - now stolen from the people who paid for it - who will work it to generate the food that is needed to feed the nation? Who will be the boss or manager overseeing and making things work? Who will pay for the upkeep and salaries?
Don't forget that farmers have a passion for the land and are prepared for the backbreaking work it takes to make a profit not to mention the education needed to farm properly.
Now the mines are given to the people - stolen from those who bought and invested in them and who are educated enough to run them.
Who will be the boss or manager or will it be a free-for-all with everyone being the boss?
Where does the finance come from to run the mines and do vital maintenance?
Where does the government get the taxes generated by the previous mineowners to help run the country?
How does thiswork in Lalaland where 'all' will be wealthy by grabbing what someone else created or will that get figured out some time in the future?
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To put it simply:
The land was not bought.
Mines were not bought.
This is all belonging to the people of South Africa.
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CYBORICO
bhabhatjhiI use to like too woman when she use to keep a low profile...but now she becoming more arrogant....MEDIA attention....
who cares what u like man? is she still doing a good job? then huff it bro
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@DanielrjvvurenKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Oom? Think I just aged 3 years in seconds. Hahah doing good man. Cold day in Dbn need some Sherry and maybe Cherri too. There?
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Lol! u're a man,man!
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The weather is fine this side and no Sherry and Cherri needed.
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Maleduahlaga
Apartheid this, apartheid that sick and tired to hear that from Politicians: He who always blames his ex (apartheid) has not moved on yet.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
somaartakeit@nyongo just to indulge you, mental stimulating debate wld involve discussing points raised by THuli, not hurling insults at her for daring to exercise her freedom of choice and association, that is a result of most African males IN-ability to respect that a woman is not a possession and as such is free to exercise her rights as she deems fit and in accordance with the constitution, now according to SA's constitution, is it ILLEGAL for Thuli to attend a rally of her choosing?
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she was apponited where she is by an african male,during aparheid regime runned by white males women were no where to be seen you are just making a lousy claim
look at what we are observing Thuly gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understand
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DJ-Winner
MommaCWhy is Thuli being attacked on a personal level?
Could it be because nobody can argue against what she has said?
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Well, she has associated herself with DA. We don't trust her anyomore.....and we think she is compromised to say things she says.
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Tsatsatsa
People need to read the article before commenting. Most people just read the headline. Those who are saying Thuli must stay off Party Politics, it you bloggers who are attaching Parties in her speech. The truth is her comments were general. I do not recall us debating about the fact that she attended an ANC Centinary celebration. Even if she was speaking on behalf of DA, ACPD, COPE or even AZAPO...Unamanga yini entweni ayishoyo.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - Yeah, we've heard these 'rumours' (unfortunately no proof to the claims) that white folks and managers only have 'matric'.
Its simply not true :P
I also heard from my second cousins best friends etc.
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He says the rumours,iyoooo!
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LBS
@somaartakeit@DJ that again is a thoughtless accusation, many ppl in SA owe the bank for the land the own, how many times must this be told to you? yes there is are past injustices that needs to be addressed, but why blame whites for it when its the anc which you support which has failed you? the whites came to the party after 1994 but they were discouraged by rampant corruption and unaccountability, believe me whites have much more at stake than to not co-operate with what is legal, but we can't expect white ppl to pour in more into the black corrupt pit. Lets be fair and deal with politicians who used land bank funds to piggy bank themselves and their families, cause its their corrupt actions which have set land reform progress back. But if you want to let them get away, then you shouldn't blame whites for your being landless.
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You are very wise person, but there are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear the truth.
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I am cursing my ancestors for ever even saying that god forsaken word! My toast has burnt... Looks like apartheids fault. I made my gf pregnant... No apartheid made her pregnant! Having a bad hair-day? Blame it on our new and innovative "blame-o-nator" apartheid!Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
MaleduahlagaApartheid this, apartheid that sick and tired to hear that from Politicians: He who always blames his ex (apartheid) has not moved on yet.
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american stiil talk about slavery 100years on,Jews will never forget abou hollocast so we arejust 18 years dude shake your head a little bit
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MgarajiSinudeity_
So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *falls off chair* ha ha ha ha ha. Sowetan should have blocked this comment to save us the stomach cramps. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *tears up from laughter*
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Nyongoyamavenda
DanielrjvvurenI am cursing my ancestors for ever even saying that god forsaken word! My toast has burnt... Looks like apartheids fault. I made my gf pregnant... No apartheid made her pregnant! Having a bad hair-day? Blame it on our new and innovative "blame-o-nator" apartheid!
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CYBORICO
she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understandcan someone confirm this for us, my bet is that DA as a party being implicated might have been withdrwan but the findings of irregular tendering still stand? what happened realy? facts not what u think? Dzel where r u?
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@DJ-WinnerSinudeity_
DJ-Winner - Wouldnt need to 'share land' if there wasnt corruption or incompetence.
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I know you are against reconciliation. I'm aware of that....
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Sinudeity like most of us is against BS "unfortunately' for him to be white and be against anc BS is (according to anc sheople like you) to be against reconciliation, you need to look up meaning of the word reconciliation, and when you do, you will realise that corruption does not feature, which is what many and incl Sinudeity are (rightly so) against. you really need to stop abusing race card like this, it is already losing its value and any power it might have carried.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - Im not against reconciliation, Im against moronomics. You want everything, but you refuse to create structures to back up what you want, with what you need.You want to be a director, but you dont want to get your MBA or BComm degree?
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Danielrjvvuren
DJ-WinnerDo we not have the freedom of association? Dude she went to a rally that per say was organized by the DA. The Mayor of Hibiscus coast came to a dancing competition one year, doesn't make her a dancer. This is how your argument is going?
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LBS
@DanielrjvvurenLBS
Why is the concept of "hard work pays off" such a hard thing to understand by some? Economic freedom is not about the mines it's about bettering yourself and working hard. Rather start getting involved with the Minister of Education to get education up to scratch rather then wanting to be handed things. Have I not always said EDUCATION is key?
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You are of course correct. EDUCATION is the key - pity being stupid is not more painful.
'Some' like to hang on to their stupity crutch because it takes less effort. :)
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LBS@somaartakeit
@DJ that again is a thoughtless accusation, many ppl in SA owe the bank for the land the own, how many times must this be told to you? yes there is are past injustices that needs to be addressed, but why blame whites for it when its the anc which you support which has failed you? the whites came to the party after 1994 but they were discouraged by rampant corruption and unaccountability, believe me whites have much more at stake than to not co-operate with what is legal, but we can't expect white ppl to pour in more into the black corrupt pit. Lets be fair and deal with politicians who used land bank funds to piggy bank themselves and their families, cause its their corrupt actions which have set land reform progress back. But if you want to let them get away, then you shouldn't blame whites for your being landless.
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You are very wise person, but there are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear the truth.
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Convince me. I will like to hear the truth....
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CYBORICONyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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hey man are you listening to yourself?
dont run away from this bro, Zuma has fredom to associate, and he chose the anc, Thuli has the same right, and she chosses DA, whenever there r party gatherings each will attent their respective parties function, anything wrong there? r u saying we must not trust Zuma as he only serves the interest of anc voters, cope, pac, non voter r all to fend for themselves?
the problem her is that u dont trust Thuli's intergrity, u think the DA will control her or something, well i say let the DA help her by pointing out the rotten potatos and Thuli will confirm the rot, whether the compalin comes from DA or the general public doenot matter as long as Thuli exposes the corrupt,
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i think i will be wasting my time if i respond to this very shalow comment
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23 Aug 2012LBS
@Danielrjvvuren
LBS
Why is the concept of "hard work pays off" such a hard thing to understand by some? Economic freedom is not about the mines it's about bettering yourself and working hard. Rather start getting involved with the Minister of Education to get education up to scratch rather then wanting to be handed things. Have I not always said EDUCATION is key?
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You are of course correct. EDUCATION is the key - pity being stupid is not more painful.
'Some' like to hang on to their stupity crutch because it takes less effort. :)
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so you are intelligent white woman,how do you measure yourself intelligence
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somaartakeit
@Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - Im not against reconciliation, Im against moronomics.
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and you should NEVEr apologise for being against MORONOMIC lol (whatever that is) don't justify yourself cause now DJ will start to think his accusation are valid or relevant unless he can prove how you are against reconciliation we might then take him serious, you also need to understand that these accusation a direct result of inability on the part of the accuser to come up with credible argument to back his or her position, its combative if you ask me and its unproductive in a debate.
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LBS
@DJ-WinnerLBS
@ DJ-Winner
The truth is always boring, ins't?
**No but rehashing what has been discussed umteen times is!
Yes, returning land to people and nationalisation of mine will create job opportunities for people.
** Let me ask you a hyperthetical question.
Say the land is 'returned' to the people - now stolen from the people who paid for it - who will work it to generate the food that is needed to feed the nation? Who will be the boss or manager overseeing and making things work? Who will pay for the upkeep and salaries?
Don't forget that farmers have a passion for the land and are prepared for the backbreaking work it takes to make a profit not to mention the education needed to farm properly.
Now the mines are given to the people - stolen from those who bought and invested in them and who are educated enough to run them.
Who will be the boss or manager or will it be a free-for-all with everyone being the boss?
Where does the finance come from to run the mines and do vital maintenance?
Where does the government get the taxes generated by the previous mineowners to help run the country?
How does thiswork in Lalaland where 'all' will be wealthy by grabbing what someone else created or will that get figured out some time in the future?
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To put it simply:
The land was not bought.
Mines were not bought.
This is all belonging to the people of South Africa.
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OK, so you need some more time to think things through - I can understand that.
How much time do you need?
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Anyone have anything new or actually INTERESTING to say here?Report Abuse
Mgaraji
Thuli is a comrade (ANC) appointed by comrade President Zuma. I like what she does & want her to do more but I would like her to keep a low profile and avoid media saint celebrity status and appeasing opposition. She will rue the day she say something against white people and it natural that day will come. That day came to Arch Tutu saying that white people must pay white tax. He was forced to retract that statement within 2 days. With white people you are good as long as you critisize blacks turn around and critisize whites, you will see their hostility at it best. Malema once said the day Lindiwe Mazibuko dare to differ with madam, she will be on the street and that a whiteman for you.Report Abuse
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somaartakeit@DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - Wouldnt need to 'share land' if there wasnt corruption or incompetence.
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Sinudeity like most of us is against BS "unfortunately' for him to be white and be against anc BS is (according to anc sheople like you) to be against reconciliation, you need to look up meaning of the word reconciliation, and when you do, you will realise that corruption does not feature, which is what many and incl Sinudeity are (rightly so) against. you really need to stop abusing race card like this, it is already losing its value and any power it might have carried.
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It is not about playing race or anything. This is a reality of a situation.
I still mantain that as long as we are in a state of denial about these things, our reconciliation efforts will continue to fail and people will revisit aparteid legacy from time to time.
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somaartakeit@nyongo just to indulge you, mental stimulating debate wld involve discussing points raised by THuli, not hurling insults at her for daring to exercise her freedom of choice and association, that is a result of most African males IN-ability to respect that a woman is not a possession and as such is free to exercise her rights as she deems fit and in accordance with the constitution, now according to SA's constitution, is it ILLEGAL for Thuli to attend a rally of her choosing?
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she was apponited where she is by an african male,during aparheid regime runned by white males women were no where to be seen you are just making a lousy claim
look at what we are observing Thuly gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understand
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Nyongoyamavenda - Quite a big difference between the holocaust and apartheid. And quite a big difference between Jews and South Africans.Report Abuse
LBS
@Nyongoyamavenda23 Aug 2012
LBS
@Danielrjvvuren
LBS
Why is the concept of "hard work pays off" such a hard thing to understand by some? Economic freedom is not about the mines it's about bettering yourself and working hard. Rather start getting involved with the Minister of Education to get education up to scratch rather then wanting to be handed things. Have I not always said EDUCATION is key?
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You are of course correct. EDUCATION is the key - pity being stupid is not more painful.
'Some' like to hang on to their stupity crutch because it takes less effort. :)
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so you are intelligent white woman,how do you measure yourself intelligence
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How do you think I do?
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LBS@DJ-Winner
LBS
@ DJ-Winner
The truth is always boring, ins't?
**No but rehashing what has been discussed umteen times is!
Yes, returning land to people and nationalisation of mine will create job opportunities for people.
** Let me ask you a hyperthetical question.
Say the land is 'returned' to the people - now stolen from the people who paid for it - who will work it to generate the food that is needed to feed the nation? Who will be the boss or manager overseeing and making things work? Who will pay for the upkeep and salaries?
Don't forget that farmers have a passion for the land and are prepared for the backbreaking work it takes to make a profit not to mention the education needed to farm properly.
Now the mines are given to the people - stolen from those who bought and invested in them and who are educated enough to run them.
Who will be the boss or manager or will it be a free-for-all with everyone being the boss?
Where does the finance come from to run the mines and do vital maintenance?
Where does the government get the taxes generated by the previous mineowners to help run the country?
How does thiswork in Lalaland where 'all' will be wealthy by grabbing what someone else created or will that get figured out some time in the future?
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To put it simply:
The land was not bought.
Mines were not bought.
This is all belonging to the people of South Africa.
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OK, so you need some more time to think things through - I can understand that.
How much time do you need?
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I'm asking you exactly the same question.
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RobinH, Thuli is a public protector, she threw away her choice of association when she took that job, we are not disputing her for doing a good job by exposing corruption, we might be ANC members but just becoz some of the members are corrupt we are not allowed to criticise Thuli. If you remember the previous protectors were not as good as her becoz they were cadres of the movement & were biased, now here is a woman who is independent even though appointed by the very same gov. Thuli made a mistake just like any other human & I will give her a benefit of the doubt but I`m watching her.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
LBSOur domestic(I know very apartheid, but she was unemployed and we created employment and she is very comfortable in her cranny flat why am I defending our domestic) son wanted to quit school because maths was "too hard". Now maths is a sticky wicket as is as teachers aren't trained how to teach kids properly, but I digress again, after a few lessons with me it went better, but he still wanted to quit school because he saw his friends making money with drugs and such. I took him to one of my lectures and day on campus and showed him what education is, I think people have a misconception that education is drab and boring, but all he,domestics son, wants to do now is study at UKZN. I think we need to open these kids eyes and show them what can be done with an education.
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the comment posted by som of the bloggers who seem to be against the statement by thuli,are the very example of ignorant and not wanting to accept the truth,how is failour to distribute text books on time,and mismanegement of funds notwithstanding corruption on allocation of rdp houses can be blamed on apartheid,truely somebody is corrupt and want to protect corruption.Report Abuse
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NyongoyamavendaSorry I don't understand? Must be that apartheids fault I don't...
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CYBORICO
@Nyongoamerican stiil talk about slavery 100years on,Jews will never forget abou hollocast so we arejust 18 years dude shake your head a little bit
No no no bro its our brothers in america still talking of slavery, the american black man that is, same as us they want stuff to be served to them on a silver plate while they bsuy talking senseless english, endulging on drugs and blaming it all on slavery like we do with apartheid, look at the jews, the asians, even afghanistan people r doing good in america, only your hals brother keeps whining, if its not sports or the arts, all we do is cry my man
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Nyongoyamavenda
LBSi dont want to think about you i dnt knw you ,just let me know
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - Quite a big difference between the holocaust and apartheid. And quite a big difference between Jews and South Africans
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what is the difference?
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RobinH
Skhokho> I disagree. She is being completely open about it, and has attended sevral functions of the ANC and other groupings. She is a civil servant, just as I am, and I don't recall any prohibition on civil servants having political or any other interests. In her post she does not "belong" to the ANC or any other party. She remains a citizen with the same rights as anyone else. It is pity that the ANC and its supporters feel so theatened as to object in such a petty manner.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - Im not against reconciliation, Im against moronomics. You want everything, but you refuse to create structures to back up what you want, with what you need.
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Whatever....actions speak louder than words. When we tell the truth, we automatically called morons. As I always say, I prefer discussing issues, not name calling....
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Nyongoyamavenda - "Thuly gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understand'Why is it difficult to understand? The ANC has been doing this stuff since 1994 bru. Now when someone else does it, but not for the ANC, now suddenly you not get it?
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DJ-Winner - "Whatever....actions speak louder than words. When we tell the truth, we automatically called morons. As I always say, I prefer discussing issues, not name calling...."LOL, just because you say something, doesnt make it true my son.
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Nyongoyamavenda
DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
Sorry I don't understand? Must be that apartheids fault I don't...
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i think it is,you have been in this country for decades,aprtheid fed you that you cant learn the language of the inferior people
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CYBORICO
@Nyomgoyomvendai think i will be wasting my time if i respond to this very shalow comment
no problem with that, as i already had a number of posible responses u could have made, and none r gud enough like everything that comes up north. what did i expect from a person who will deny his tribal origins as soon as the villages dissapear beyond the hiils and he starts seeing city lights?
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "Thuly gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understand'
Why is it difficult to understand? The ANC has been doing this stuff since 1994 bru. Now when someone else does it, but not for the ANC, now suddenly you not get it?
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so you imply wrong and wrong equall ridght common you can do better than this
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@yongoyamavendasomaartakeit
@nyongo just to indulge you, mental stimulating debate wld involve discussing points raised by THuli, not hurling insults at her for daring to exercise her freedom of choice and association, that is a result of most African males IN-ability to respect that a woman is not a possession and as such is free to exercise her rights as she deems fit and in accordance with the constitution, now according to SA's constitution, is it ILLEGAL for Thuli to attend a rally of her choosing?
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"she was apponited where she is by an african male" You make it sound as if she was being done a favour? Thuli is there on MERIT her record stands as a solid proof no need to defend her, THULI FOR PRESIDENT, lol
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Whatever....actions speak louder than words. When we tell the truth, we automatically called morons. As I always say, I prefer discussing issues, not name calling...."
LOL, just because you say something, doesnt make it true my son.
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Well, if you fail to prove it wrong, what do we call it?
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Moffdat
LBSDanielrjvvuren
Sinudeity_
In a constitutionally driven society it is not enough that justice is done but justice must be 'seen' to be done. Contradicting the aforementioned is a grave injustice to the public and this is where Ms Madonsela failed in upholding the interest of the public... this is a ground for dismissal. She should have known better given she was persuing an agenda against the Democratic Alliance. If the ANC want to gun for her this is sufficient, SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!!!
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Danielrjvvuren
NyongoyamavendaYes because being fluent in 2 languages is just not enough how dare apartheid not allow me a third of fourth language... I will go scold apartheid now and send it to bed without supper!
Guys this debate has turned weird?
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RobinH
Stunning debate this. If one repeats the same old thing over and over till the other guy falls asleep from boredom then one wins. Groundbreaking thinking here, people. Truly incisive and novel points being made.Report Abuse
Mopedikannete
@DzelAfter the Lonmin masacre there is no way he will retain his posiion and he knows it too, in fact the ANC as a whole is in serious trouble.
Never again will I vote for this useless party, that for me was the last straw.
Thumbs up my bro..
At least there are some people out there who can see a light. this anc cronies will never retained the leadership of our country anymore, lets go out there and vote to make our country better.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Well, if you fail to prove it wrong, what do we call it?"No, the onus is on you to PROVE your claim. I dont have to disprove anything until you provide reasonable evidence.
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Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - I can give you a example of your logic.Your great, great, great grandfather was white. Now disprove that :P
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CYBORICO
Guys this debate has turned weird?true to that, any hot article someone?
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Nyongoyamavenda
DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
Yes because being fluent in 2 languages is just not enough how dare apartheid not allow me a third of fourth language... I will go scold apartheid now and send it to bed without supper!
Guys this debate has turned weird?
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So you wanna go to a Verwoeds tomb? good luck
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Danielrjvvuren
MoffdatI disagree respectfully, as the protector of the public is it not her duty to be at as many of these things as possible to be able to critically asses the public she upholds to protect? Yes this will be turned into a inter-party fight simply because she said it at a DA event, but it still doesn't make the fact that what she says and less true? Only us here on Sowetan see this as a DA vs ANC problem whereas the rest of SA is debating what is said not where is has been said.
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MommaC
DJ-Winner???? so are you saying that you don't trust Fikile because he spoke to Malema ???? What about Zuma who spoke to an AMERICAN ??? Or Malema who spoke to the British ????
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "In a constitutionally driven society it is not enough that justice is done but justice must be 'seen' to be done. Contradicting the aforementioned is a grave injustice to the public and this is where Ms Madonsela failed in upholding the interest of the public... this is a ground for dismissal. She should have known better given she was persuing an agenda against the Democratic Alliance. If the ANC want to gun for her this is sufficient, SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!!!But that means we have to DISMISS all MP's and politicians connected to the ANC dude :P Im thinking you didnt think your comment through right?
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Danielrjvvuren
NyongoyamavendaYes... I don't know what you are on about?
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somaartakeitNyongoyamavenda - "Thuly gave her son to crash the states car, she ruled against DA and after meeting with Zille change the verdict to no wrong, and as if that is not enough now sh is attaending DA rallies that translate her into compromising her independenc ,is this really difficult to understand'
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she was apponited where she is by an african male" You make it sound as if she was being done a favour? Thuli is there on MERIT her record stands as a solid proof no need to defend her, THULI FOR PRESIDENT, lol
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no she was recognizzed by the very same africam male,which aprtheid white goverment wasnt doing,
Thuly must remain impartila and respect her office and her good work and stop ganging up with DA
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RobinH
Serious shortage of logic apparent here. What a farce. But then there is nothing else newsworthy in today's edition. Nothing at all happened in the country, Sowetan?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Well, if you fail to prove it wrong, what do we call it?"
No, the onus is on you to PROVE your claim. I dont have to disprove anything until you provide reasonable evidence.
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Well you have failed to disagree with 'claims'.
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Nyongoyamavenda
DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
Yes... I don't know what you are on about?
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Yea cos you started this route,
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DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - I can give you a example of your logic.
Your great, great, great grandfather was white. Now disprove that :P
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Another joke that is not very funny.......
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LBS
@DanielrjvvurenLBS
Our domestic(I know very apartheid, but she was unemployed and we created employment and she is very comfortable in her cranny flat why am I defending our domestic) son wanted to quit school because maths was "too hard". Now maths is a sticky wicket as is as teachers aren't trained how to teach kids properly, but I digress again, after a few lessons with me it went better, but he still wanted to quit school because he saw his friends making money with drugs and such. I took him to one of my lectures and day on campus and showed him what education is, I think people have a misconception that education is drab and boring, but all he,domestics son, wants to do now is study at UKZN. I think we need to open these kids eyes and show them what can be done with an education
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Brilliant!! Well done you!
I've also played a hand in helping various people (youngsters and adults) (all races) open their eyes to see what they can achieve if given a chance and there is nothing more rewarding in seeing a person 'grow' in their chosen area and go on to help others.
In the dictionary if you look for the word 'can't' it says "see can"
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NyongoyamavendaYou know when a p1nk two mates with a red one a polka dotted 4 makes a round trip to china... WTF are you on about? Dude you make no sense at all??? Can we get back to a logical discussion.
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Danielrjvvuren
LBSThere is a guy here in Westville who is always dressed in a suit holding a sign saying "hungry for a job". I always just want to give him a job but have none to give, but this is the example or metaphor I want to ingrain into people, he is not begging for money or food, he will rather work for his money. There is something so empowering when you worked hard get your money and you feel you have accomplished something. We need more people like this man who is not hungry for cash but willing to work for it.
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LBS
@RobinHStunning debate this. If one repeats the same old thing over and over till the other guy falls asleep from boredom then one wins. Groundbreaking thinking here, people. Truly incisive and novel points being made
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LOL Don't forget answering a question with a question really takes the debate to a new level! :)
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DJ-Winner - "Well you have failed to disagree with 'claims'."I did disagree with your claim, scroll up.
"Another joke that is not very funny"
But my son, I was merely applying your logic, back to you...
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
You know when a p1nk two mates with a red one a polka dotted 4 makes a round trip to china... WTF are you on about? Dude you make no sense at all??? Can we get back to a logical discussion.
ha, ha. beating him at his own game? mind it this folks got lots of experience in what they do,
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
You know when a p1nk two mates with a red one a polka dotted 4 makes a round trip to china... WTF are you on about? Dude you make no sense at all??? Can we get back to a logical discussion
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this is what is wrong and is done by you
I am cursing my ancestors for ever even saying that god forsaken word! My toast has burnt... Looks like apartheids fault. I made my gf pregnant... No apartheid made her pregnant! Having a bad hair-day? Blame it on our new and innovative "blame-o-nator" apartheid
dude stop smking that thing you will go crazy
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@DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
You know when a p1nk two mates with a red one a polka dotted 4 makes a round trip to china... WTF are you on about? Dude you make no sense at all??? Can we get back to a logical discussion.
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LMAO I have NEVER seen such a hilarious comment!!
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DJ-Winner
Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Well you have failed to disagree with 'claims'."
I did disagree with your claim, scroll up.
"Another joke that is not very funny"
But my son, I was merely applying your logic, back to you...
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You think that you did, but you did not.
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texbook saga,collapsed heath system,poor roads(due to shody work),in limpopo outsourcing of everything which take us back to shody work),nepotism, incapable cadre, deployment of people who are dishonesty, municipalities having disclaimers. you cannot blame apartheid for corruption so thuli is spot on but are can see that her days in office are numbered because of his good work something which the fat cat does not like.Report Abuse
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MommaCDJ-Winner
???? so are you saying that you don't trust Fikile because he spoke to Malema ???? What about Zuma who spoke to an AMERICAN ??? Or Malema who spoke to the British ????
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I have no idea of what you are talking about. Are you ok @MommaC?
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Danielrjvvuren
NyongoyamavendaThis statement:
i am cursing my ancestors for ever even saying that god forsaken word! My toast has burnt... Looks like apartheids fault. I made my gf pregnant... No apartheid made her pregnant! Having a bad hair-day? Blame it on our new and innovative "blame-o-nator" apartheid
Is merely and example of the extent to which some twist the facts to blame apartheid and is echoing the statement made my Thuli Madonsela. We need to as a nation refrain from blaming a system that is no longer around for our faults. Its a comical expression of a serious matter, a tragic comedy if you will, like Rinse the blood of my Toga.
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LBS@Danielrjvvuren
Nyongoyamavenda
You know when a p1nk two mates with a red one a polka dotted 4 makes a round trip to china... WTF are you on about? Dude you make no sense at all??? Can we get back to a logical discussion.
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LMAO I have NEVER seen such a hilarious comment!!
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encouraging your body intelligent woman,i hope this is intelligent in action lol
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MommaC
DJ-WinnerWell you don't trust Thuli because she spoke to someone that you don't like. Does that only apply to her or does it apply to everyone?
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DanielrjvvurenSinudeity_
We are all aware that the ANC has some corrupt officials. There is no arguing that.
The public protector should have never allowed this to hang over her head. This gives the ANC leverage over her and now she has to be careful who she takes down... now she is only allowed certain actions.
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
This statement:
i am cursing my ancestors for ever even saying that god forsaken word! My toast has burnt... Looks like apartheids fault. I made my gf pregnant... No apartheid made her pregnant! Having a bad hair-day? Blame it on our new and innovative "blame-o-nator" apartheid
Is merely and example of the extent to which some twist the facts to blame apartheid and is echoing the statement made my Thuli Madonsela. We need to as a nation refrain from blaming a system that is no longer around for our faults. Its a comical expression of a serious matter, a tragic comedy if you will, like Rinse the blood of my Toga.
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the opposite side of the coin is also true,apartheid existed and its effects will be with us for life time,we must talk about so that it is never reapeted for generations even by those who are its victims and that those who benefited from it and its heritage aknowledge that so that we can move on ,
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anyway why is she to hang with the crocodiles when she is an antelope, damn crocs will eat her alive, while giving one of those croc smiles to the media. Stay away from those majita Thuli,Report Abuse
MGEEZ
I see that many here are not ready to confront the truth. Many of our struggles in this country are not necessary, but just an end product of the incompetency of the ruling party. You do not need to be a public protector or DA or any opposition party member to see that!!!Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
MoffdatI understand that the office she holds makes movement restricted, but does that take away her freedom of association at the same time? I was unaware that such rights get taken away, but I short of understand your angle, you saying she is jeopardizing her career? I can believe that as she has giving ANC enough to fire her, but then again she is doing a good job so can the ANC afford to fire her?
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Sinudeity_
Eish, why is it so difficult to talk sense to some commentators?Unfortunately, we cant use cryons on this digital medium.
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DJ-WinnerMommaC
DJ-Winner
???? so are you saying that you don't trust Fikile because he spoke to Malema ???? What about Zuma who spoke to an AMERICAN ??? Or Malema who spoke to the British ????
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I have no idea of what you are talking about. Are you ok @MommaC?
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this is a sign of deeated mind but refusing to admit
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MommaC
DJ-Winner
???? so are you saying that you don't trust Fikile because he spoke to Malema ???? What about Zuma who spoke to an AMERICAN ??? Or Malema who spoke to the British ????
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I have no idea of what you are talking about. Are you ok @MommaC?
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this is a sign of defeated mind but refusing to admit
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MommaCDJ-Winner
Well you don't trust Thuli because she spoke to someone that you don't like. Does that only apply to her or does it apply to everyone?
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Who I said I don't like DA? I have nothing against DA, it is non of my business.
We only want public protector to be independent.
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Danielrjvvuren
NyongoyamavendaYes there are still some things that can be blamed on apartheid and she says the same, but there are some things that just needs to stop. Legacy or benefiters of apartheid? That needs to stop now that tune has become old. There is nothing that can be done with money made d0nkey years ago we must stop trying to "take back" what is stolen and rather try and rebuilt what "was broken". If my great grandfather made millions off a mine in 1946 why am I 3 generations down the line blamed for his mistakes? That entire "Christian" thing about the sins of the father....
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@somaartakeit and the rest...You are correct, we should no longer blame apartheid for the landless of our ppl, we should just take what is rightfully ours back, no compromise.simple as that. white ppl are not appreciative that the ANC govt works with them and consult, hence Gwede Mantashe said we need a radical move, no more Mr Nice..Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - "anyway why is she to hang with the crocodiles when she is an antelope, damn crocs will eat her alive, while giving one of those croc smiles to the media. Stay away from those majita Thuli"Freedom of association my bru, like what you mentioned a few comments up.
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MommaC
DJ-WinnerSo you are saying that Zuma, Fikile, Malema etc are not independent because they also spoke to someone else or do you think that only women are so weak that they cannot speak to someone without becoming compromised?
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mbondo
Be warned , once a black person start to say don't blame whites for this and that like this Thuli Madonsela, you must know very well that person is in bed with white people. Thuli Madonsela has crossed over long time ago and she won't return, she's white inside and black outside. The ANC has lond suspected that but they don't have evidence that she has crossed over but by this statement she said well to me and other black brothers and sisters it's evidence she has crossed over. Don't blame apartheid , damn you girl. We'll blame booers and their apartheid forever , they'll never get away from this. I myself make sure that whenever I meet with young black people I feed them our horrible history of apartheid and how booers murdered our black people. I always tell them booers are our open enemy from dask till dawn.Report Abuse
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ManoftheSoil - "You are correct, we should no longer blame apartheid for the landless of our ppl, we should just take what is rightfully ours back, no compromise.simple as that. white ppl are not appreciative that the ANC govt works with them and consult, hence Gwede Mantashe said we need a radical move, no more Mr Nice"LOL, where does the ANC consult white people? When they wanted to impliment OBE? When they banned rubber bullets? When Cele wanted to 'shoot to k1ll'?
The ANC DOES need a radical move, and that is to REMOVE corrupt and incompetent leaders, shocking I know.
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ManoftheSoilI don't deal with rad1cal f@natics I'm sorry if you want to debate with me a better phrased and more l0gical ap0roach is needed.
I thank you
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mbondo - LOL, shame. A backwards dude like you will forever be poor, and will forever blame white folks.Report Abuse
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MommaCDJ-Winner
So you are saying that Zuma, Fikile, Malema etc are not independent because they also spoke to someone else or do you think that only women are so weak that they cannot speak to someone without becoming compromised?
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Our view is that the public protector has been compromised as she is now associating herself with political parties. We feel that she will do DA some favours...
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Sinudeity_
Be warned, once a black person starts blaming apartheid, and not the incompetent and corrupt government, then you know that in 20 years time, the same dude will still be blaming someone else for his own f***ups.Report Abuse
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
Yes there are still some things that can be blamed on apartheid and she says the same, but there are some things that just needs to stop. Legacy or benefiters of apartheid? That needs to stop now that tune has become old. There is nothing that can be done with money made d0nkey years ago we must stop trying to "take back" what is stolen and rather try and rebuilt what "was broken". If my great grandfather made millions off a mine in 1946 why am I 3 generations down the line blamed for his mistakes? That entire "Christian" thing about the sins of the father....
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we are not asking for your money as per se but we are saying you need to recognise you are born in a very advantaged envronment just cos you are white which is not your fault,jusk recognise that and surpport gornment initiatitives like AA,BEE so that a child born in a shack which his great grand parents who were deliberately excluded to parttake in the main stream economy is given the opportunity to better the situation,the problem we have is a number of whites oppose AA and BBE which DA endorses and thats wher the unfair part comes,still they continue to prefer whites over blacks even if blacks are more experiencd and more deserving,the example is about black and white matriculants,90% of blacks dont find jobs while the opposite is true for whites
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Mbondo: Shame, man. Poor little victim of circumstance.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Whatever we see today in SA is the fruit of apartheid these people ensured that the time freedom is given the wealth of a black man is far from reaching his hand and will be reached only if these people let go.Freedom without its contents among them the wealth of the country eqauls to sh*t.Report Abuse
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DJ-Winner - Be advised that we feel that the president of the country is now compromised as he is now associating with the ANC.Report Abuse
Moffdat
DanielIt is going to be at least another 4 or 5 presidential terms before any opposition party really contests the ruling party. She will only be allowed to take down members if they head honchos want them to go down. Don't you agree?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - No dude, what we are seeing now is the effects of an incompetent and corrupt government. It wount sort itself out, until you start doing introspection, and realise that unless you face the problems, acknowledge them, and then do something about it, that the country will never sort itself out.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - Be advised that we feel that the president of the country is now compromised as he is now associating with the ANC.
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ANC policies rule the country. President don't need to be compromised for that....
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - Be advised that we feel that the president of the country is now compromised as he is now associating with the ANC
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that s the problem sometimes you be so childish,i dont mean disrepect but realy what is this?
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Moffdat - Disagree, next election the DA is going to take at least 1 more province from the ANC. Three provinces if Zuma gets elected a second term.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavenda:"Be advised that we feel that the president of the country is now compromised as he is now associating with the ANC" - Sinudeity
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that s the problem sometimes you be so childish,i dont mean disrepect but realy what is this?
LOL, but saying Thuli should resign because she want to a DA rally isnt childish?
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NyongoyamavendaI fully supp0rt BBbBEE or BBBEEeEE or BEEBEE, what ever we call it now days, but what I ask is that we go into an 1nterview or such things as equ@ls not as you got the j0b because you are bl@ck or because I am wh1te. I was b0rn into a m1ddle cl@ss family where my f@ther was the T0wn C1erk of M@nsieville and my m0m a d0ctor in a some now ren@med h0spital I was not b0rn into w1ite n0bility and most Afrik@ners aren't. It was the same as it is now apartheid didn't benef1t ALL wh1te people but just a select few that was able to b.u.y themselves into favour much like ANC today.
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Sinudeity_Moffdat - Disagree, next election the DA is going to take at least 1 more province from the ANC. Three provinces if Zuma gets elected a second term.
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Your policies don't represent the majority. That will never happen....
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ManoftheSoil
Daniel son...there is nothing radical about my statement, just an obsevation that if this Cuba or Syria there would be no consultation, STOP being a negative nunch about everythingReport Abuse
Moffdat
Sinudeity_So what if Thuli attended a DA rally? Zuma attends ANC rallies ALL THE F***ING time. Should we recall him because of that?
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *falls off chair* ha ha ha ha ha. Sowetan should have blocked this comment to save us the stomach cramps. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *tears up from laughter*
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Still laughing my @ss off at this comment...
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
I fully supp0rt BBbBEE or BBBEEeEE or BEEBEE, what ever we call it now days, but what I ask is that we go into an 1nterview or such things as equ@ls not as you got the j0b because you are bl@ck or because I am wh1te. I was b0rn into a m1ddle cl@ss family where my f@ther was the T0wn C1erk of M@nsieville and my m0m a d0ctor in a some now ren@med h0spital I was not b0rn into w1ite n0bility and most Afrik@ners aren't. It was the same as it is now apartheid didn't benef1t ALL wh1te people but just a select few that was able to b.u.y themselves into favour much like ANC today
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but that is how white capital is operating wchich will result ot a serrious problem if left unattanded,Julis wil exploit it and caus racial strife
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MommaC
DJ-Winner"Our view is..."
So it isn't YOUR view but something that you have been told to believe.
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MoffdatO yes it will take a few years before she can and I still think we need a new more inclusive political party that will stand for all SA and not a select few I fully agree that she is playing into the hands of unemployment with where she said this, but I still believe it is true. I do not think the DA or ANC should ever run the country, Both parties are not suited for the job and show their "war wounds" much to easily when things get tough. I hate those adverts from the ANC around election time showing degradation of the past, yes it exist, but we need a party who will not reference degradation but rather fix it.
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@ManoftheSoilNo you are right, your comment is not radical, just plain ignorant with no understanding of consequence.
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Sinudeity_LOL, but saying Thuli should resign because she want to a DA rally isnt childish
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its not about her personally ,its the office she holds,imagine the chief justics attending political rallies,isnt no a joke?
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SinuMoffdat - Disagree, next election the DA is going to take at least 1 more province from the ANC. Three provinces if Zuma gets elected a second term.
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If this blog teached us anything is that SA is cut along racial lines. Logic and reason is thrown out the window and people bunch together along racial lines. People are sceptical to vote DA for one reason... Why are all their major leaders wh!te. They seem more racially driven instead of policy driven.
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Sinudeity_Moffdat - Disagree, next election the DA is going to take at least 1 more province from the ANC. Three provinces if Zuma gets elected a second term.
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If you can change your policies and include things like: affairmative actions, extrapropriation of land, nationalisation of mines, etc; I personally can vote for DA. As things stand now, you are representing the minority....
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NyongoyamavendaI'm no fan of Julius, he leads the pointing finger campaign where everything is everyone elses fault except his own. It is time that we, the future of the country, let the old get on with their greedy ways and we find new ways of finding profit or making profit. Small business is the key or holds hands with education as education is the key, but we need to let this mine debacle go and look to create our own future. Stuff the old wh1te geezer that doesn't want to relinquish some capital, when we own the country he will be sitting all by himself.
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ManoftheSoilAre you reading my other comments?
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@Moffdat,I agree about racial lines, just look at your statement, "why are all their major leaders wh!te" Why should this matter, why are all the ANC major leaders black?
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Nyongoyamavenda - "imagine the chief justics attending political rallies,isnt no a joke?"Imagine the president attending political rallies :P
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
I'm no fan of Julius, he leads the pointing finger campaign where everything is everyone elses fault except his own. It is time that we, the future of the country, let the old get on with their greedy ways and we find new ways of finding profit or making profit. Small business is the key or holds hands with education as education is the key, but we need to let this mine debacle go and look to create our own future. Stuff the old wh1te geezer that doesn't want to relinquish some capital, when we own the country he will be sitting all by himself
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now this makes a lot of senses instead of creating racial groupings lets find out how can we help one another,i personally dont think nationalization is ever the solution,it has never succeeded anywhere and with this country high in corruption it will be just worse
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DJ-Winner - "If you can change your policies and include things like: affairmative actions, extrapropriation of land, nationalisation of mines, etc; I personally can vote for DA. As things stand now, you are representing the minority."The DA has AA/BEE policies.
The DA doesnt have expropriation of land policies (Nor does the ANC).
The DA doesnt have nationalisation of mines politicies (Nor does the ANC).
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UKUFA!
The main reason for :1-Corruption
2-Useless Overweigh Polititions driving big black expensive cars and traveling all over the world.
3-Hospitals,scools and roads going fast down hill
3-No jobs
4-Newly build RDP houses falling apart
5-Big FAT CATS sitting in BEE position on these blogs all day wining
6-Crime
7-No Hope for ou economy.
7-Poor education and no hope for our Childrens
This is NOT the ANC's Fault I repeat it is not the ANC's Fault
It is Apartheid, Europe and America's Fault, I repeat it is Apartheid, Europe and America's Fault.
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Sinudeity_Unfortunately, the DA also has Helen Zille.
There is no way I can vote for them and run the risk of her becoming my president.
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "imagine the chief justics attending political rallies,isnt no a joke?"
Imagine the president attending political rallies :P
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DanielrjvvurenMasses of the people still suffer. When they look at the reason for their suffering, lack of education and service delivery and Hellen Zille comes around saying she can change all of this, they are reminded of the true reason for their lack. The source!!! and how someone born of privilege and oppulence will never understand! It's sort of like how you end up with the friends you have. Regardless of colour or even content of character... it's almost as if your souls decided!
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NyongoyamavendaI have said this with LBS if Juju was really for the country he would hold rallies to better education and infrastructure. We need to instill a culture of working hard pays off and then the flip side teaching management to reward hard work. I one day want to reward those who are willing to work and teaching those who are not that if you do you gets rewarded, but do it with so much transparency so that it can not be said that rewards was because XX was wh1te/Black. Leave the legacies of apartheid to their own devices and we do our own thing we have the opportunities to be great but we squander it because of racial idiocy from both sides of the divide.
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Booers here have been calling me by many horrible names , Sinudeity even insulting me calling K word but I have grown thick skin over many years even before Sinudeity was born. This does not surprise me as blacks in this country have been humiliated , degraded and insulted over many years by booers even this day. I know who am I and I believe majority of our black people know who they're , we'll never cross over and pat booers on their shoulders for genocide of our people for such a long time. We'll blame you and your children will pay for your sins. Thuli Madonsela can go and join the entire white race if she wants to but not to tell us who we should blame for the apartheid. African Americans are still blaming slavery till this day and Jews are still blaming Germany till this day. Why us here in South Africa should n't blame apartheid that is still happening this day. We cannot bury our heads in the sand and pretend as if apartheid was destroyed in 1994 so we must forgive and forget. We normal thinking black people of South Africa will never forgive and will never forget , we'll continue teaching our children the filthyness of booers. Thuli has crossed over to her former master and apartheid agent DA.Report Abuse
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MommaC - "Unfortunately, the DA also has Helen Zille.There is no way I can vote for them and run the risk of her becoming my president."
Yeah, lets rather have Zuma as president :P
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mbondo - "Sinudeity even insulting me calling K word"ROFLOL!!!
Please, give me the link to where i called you the k-word.
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Danielrjvvuren
MoffdatI distrust Zille's motives sometimes, she claims to want to uplift infrastructure but then only does it for the CBD and when tourist around. Look there are people who beat the cycle and such. I take my sisters bf for one his father was shot in the car in front of them in Dbn, then to add insult to injury their house burnt down 3 months later they had nothing, but through hard work this boy got to meet the only engineer on the South Coast who in the end paid for his undergrad his honors masters and to open his practice, so with the soul thing I agree, your attitude and perspective on life needs to change to get where you need. Have the end in mind.
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mbondo - 7,000 deaths in 40 years is hardly genocide bru. 150,000 deaths since the ANC took over, now thats getting there.Report Abuse
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DanielrjvvurenNyongoyamavenda
I have said this with LBS if Juju was really for the country he would hold rallies to better education and infrastructure. We need to instill a culture of working hard pays off and then the flip side teaching management to reward hard work. I one day want to reward those who are willing to work and teaching those who are not that if you do you gets rewarded, but do it with so much transparency so that it can not be said that rewards was because XX was wh1te/Black. Leave the legacies of apartheid to their own devices and we do our own thing we have the opportunities to be great but we squander it because of racial idiocy from both sides of the divide.
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Julius is an embarrasment to the black youth and this country,you stand on the way of man everything will thrown at you,he is fighting for tenders for himself and using the unemployment sitaution for surpport, look he didnt wait in the Marikana tragedy the guy knows no boundaris and no respect he is the mould of the likes of Hitler the guy is very dangerous he must never be underestimated so squeez the space which he can exploit because right thats wht he searching for
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Sinudeity_Let's not.
That is why I can't vote for them either. I have no clue who to look to to represent my voice anymore
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@mbondo ...Ahmen to that brother..the Jews are still blaming Hiltler and the Holocost, and how many years it has been , the Jews have also been paid millions in compensation, our ppl still not paid by the white masters for what they did.Report Abuse
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Danielrjvvuren - "she claims to want to uplift infrastructure but then only does it for the CBD and when tourist around."And you base this on nothing. The DA has spent millions of rands uplifting the townships. Building THREE TIMES more houses in ONE YEAR, than what the ANC could build in THREE YEARS. Community centres, sports centres, millions of rands of free electricity...
When it comes to service delivery to the poorest, the DA outperforms ANY ANC province or municipality.
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mbondoSinudeity said the K-word? He said you kool (Afrikaans for cool) shocking he is normally such a cold hearted person. Grappie maar net!
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "If you can change your policies and include things like: affairmative actions, extrapropriation of land, nationalisation of mines, etc; I personally can vote for DA. As things stand now, you are representing the minority."
The DA has AA/BEE policies.
The DA doesnt have expropriation of land policies (Nor does the ANC).
The DA doesnt have nationalisation of mines politicies (Nor does the ANC).
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DA does not support affarmative action.
ANC has some land policies, though the willing buy willing seller is too slow. ANC is assessing other alternatives. DA has nothing....
ANC does not have nationalisation policy yet, but it is looking at things like nationalism. We are encouurage ANC to seriously consider nationalisation issue. DA does not want to even talk about this issue.
I will rather stay with the devil I know and the majority of ANC members will do the same.
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Moffdat
SVR@Moffdat,
I agree about racial lines, just look at your statement, "why are all their major leaders wh!te" Why should this matter, why are all the ANC major leaders black?
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It is the duty of every political party to be representative of their surroundings. The ANC reflects the dynamic of a predominantly bl@ck nation, that doesn;t require much scrutiny. The DA implores a black nation to join but promotes wh!tes to their upper echelon. Yet they wish to represent the majority. imagine for a moment the USA had a republican representative from the black panthers or that Sweden had a political party that was doing the same. Thus my scepticism!!
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23 Aug 2012Sinudeity_
Danielrjvvuren - "she claims to want to uplift infrastructure but then only does it for the CBD and when tourist around."
And you base this on nothing. The DA has spent millions of rands uplifting the townships. Building THREE TIMES more houses in ONE YEAR, than what the ANC could build in THREE YEARS. Community centres, sports centres, millions of rands of free electricity...
When it comes to service delivery to the poorest, the DA outperforms ANY ANC province or municipality.
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stop the propaganda about the DA,it has failed in westencape ,highest protest in the country,KZN is doing better than WC
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@UKUFA!My neighbour is also blaiming Apartheid, Europe, ag sommer the whole world that his black dog has white puppies;)
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Danielrjvvuren
SinudeityWHY are WE talking LIKE this? I am MERELY justifying MY point ON my OWN observations. I only SAID I mistrust HER motives SOMETIMES.
Nyongoyamavenda
Juju has a time and a place and he could under the right circumstances be an amazing leader. In a way he is like Hitler when it comes to speech, Hitler was able to trough speech alone make a crowed want to follow him and this is what makes Juju dangerous. Julius has become self entitled, I was short of hanging on the hopes that some of Mandela's principles would rub off on his descendants and they would be able to take up the fight, but again why must his family do so? Where is our Mandela of the new age? Leaders are forged under the hammer of oppression and born out of a need for such persons so I hope someone rises to the occasion soon
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SinuYou used the k word?
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mbondo
@SinudietyYou see that's the attitude I am talking about here , the problem with you , you think the k illing of black people in this country started in 1948. It started long before that and by you booer getting in bed with the English in the continuation of theft , k illing , rape and sodomising black folks you were cementing your genocide completely. You will also remember that there are unrecorded k illings committed by booers in this country and I am talking millions of black k illings.
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This woman is not a Saint either, i agree we cant blame aparthied... But the majority of those still struggling, is the result of Aparthied... What people say and FACTS, are two different things!!!!Report Abuse
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DJ-Winner - "DA does not support affarmative action"Yeah it does:
http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=6633
http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=6617
"ANC has some land policies, though the willing buy willing seller is too slow. ANC is assessing other alternatives. DA has nothing."
Errr, wrong again. Go check on the da.org.za site, and follow policies on land reform.
"ANC does not have nationalisation policy yet, but it is looking at things like nationalism. We are encouurage ANC to seriously consider nationalisation issue. DA does not want to even talk about this issue."
ANC have said numerous times that they will never nationalise mines.
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Danielrjvvuren - "she claims to want to uplift infrastructure but then only does it for the CBD and when tourist around."
And you base this on nothing. The DA has spent millions of rands uplifting the townships. Building THREE TIMES more houses in ONE YEAR, than what the ANC could build in THREE YEARS. Community centres, sports centres, millions of rands of free electricity...
When it comes to service delivery to the poorest, the DA outperforms ANY ANC province or municipality.
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stop the propaganda about the DA,it has failed in westencape ,highest protest in the country,KZN is doing better than WC
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Propaganda driven by Democratic Apartheid in cohort with media. Latest propaganda peddled is that of youth wage subsidy success in WC. Lies & more lies.
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DanielrjvvurenSinudeity
WHY are WE talking LIKE this? I am MERELY justifying MY point ON my OWN observations. I only SAID I mistrust HER motives SOMETIMES.
Nyongoyamavenda
Juju has a time and a place and he could under the right circumstances be an amazing leader. In a way he is like Hitler when it comes to speech, Hitler was able to trough speech alone make a crowed want to follow him and this is what makes Juju dangerous. Julius has become self entitled, I was short of hanging on the hopes that some of Mandela's principles would rub off on his descendants and they would be able to take up the fight, but again why must his family do so? Where is our Mandela of the new age? Leaders are forged under the hammer of oppression and born out of a need for such persons so I hope someone rises to the occasion soon
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I see someone who is very corrupt and greedy with no morals and a man with no world to stand on,he might be worse than Hittler,the truth on him depends on whether he likes you or not ,or whether he benefits ,
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_You owe Mbondo an apology for calling him a K!!!!
I suggest you apologise right away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mbondo - "the problem with you , you think the k illing of black people in this country started in 1948."Of course not, it started way before that. When black black were killing other black people. How many thousands of black folks did Dingaan slaughter?
You know that black people have killed about 120,000 other black people since 1994 right?
"You will also remember that there are unrecorded k illings committed by booers in this country and I am talking millions of black k illings."
ROFLOL!!!! BULL. $H17!!!
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mbondo - Anyways my son, show me the comment where I called you the k-word please. Or otherwise apologise for slander.Report Abuse
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Moffdat - I would suggest that mbondo first show me where I called him the k-word.And if he cant find any proof, than you and him should apologise for slander.
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@MoffdattI understand your point, but this is representation along racial lines and means that we will never have a party representing South Africans but rather a race and to a more fragmented degree a tribe.
It also rather sadly means that the minorities will have to be stuck with a party representing them only and since they are by this very definition in the minority will never have real input in the direction of the country, this will strengthen the divide.
I don't think your black panther analogy is good as the problem with this would not be his skin colour but rather his radical racist views. I don't believe the DA or ANC to be radically racist.
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NyongoyamavendaHe seems to be like whiskey, if you like him you really like him but if you hate him you will never touch it again. Look we need people like him in SA but they must tackle the right issues. Well not him as he will never look out for anyone but himself. Where is our Gandhi? We are moving into the Africa Renaissance where are our Da Vinci's and Newtons and such?
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mbondoLOL
Geez Bong, you are a stirrer of note. Having fun causing havoc?
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@Everyone.Besides the prescrits set by legislation for compensating the political parties, most of the money used to run a political organisation comes from the private sector(individuals or business). The reason why the private sector does this is to ensure they have greater pull when legislation is being drafted. Given this reason this makes me even more sceptical of the democratic alliance (DA), Inkatha Freedom Party(IFP), UDM etc etc etc. Amy party which has one voice and does not represent a collective interest is not getting my vote!!!
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@ DJWinner - just getting back to the freedom charter issue and the clause that says the minerals in the soil shall belong to the people. Don't you think the fact that the minreals of the country belongs to the state, from who you can buy mining rights, satisfies that provision ?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
@Sinudeity_Well, I visited those site.
Nope, DA does not support affairmative action. Actually, there are criticizing it.
DA does not support extrapropriation of land. Maybe you are reading those documents upside down.
Yes, ANC leadership is a bit sturbbon about Nationalisation, but some leaders do support it. This gives us some hope. DA is not even talking about it.
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MoffdatI can understand that, but whom to vote for then? Does any party satisfy the needs of all at all times? Like I said maybe it is time for a new entrant who would actually listen to the masses and not their own pockets? You have to love this country.
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Moffdat - Do you even know where the ANC gets its money from? From big businesses? And of course, theft. Like the PetroSA corruption, where the ANC diverted funds from a parastatal, straight into the Lithuli house bank accounts.Report Abuse
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SVRI don't think your black panther analogy is good as the problem with this would not be his skin colour but rather his radical racist views. I don't believe the DA or ANC to be radically racist
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I was attempting an imaginative excessive which would highlight the lack of common sense the DA is showing. Returning to your comment about racial lines i believe ignoring them is fatal to anyone attempting expension in commerce or politics. A mayority of people are predictable and irrational that why investment bankers have equations to prediction mass action. Why people choose rap and rock music over gospel and R&B is beyond me even though i'm one of them. South Africa is racial and cultural, that is common sense, why the DA choose to ignore this is beyond me!!!!
p.s. kindly excuse any errors am working at the moment!!
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DJ-Winner - "Nope, DA does not support affairmative action. Actually, there are criticizing it."Nope, they are critizing the ANC's implementation of BEE, which enriches a small bunch of connected cadres, instead of spreading the wealth. The DA is in favour of BEE/AA. But then again, I can tell you that the sky is blue, but if you keep your eyes closed, you will never know.
"DA does not support extrapropriation of land. Maybe you are reading those documents upside down."
I didnt say that the DA supports expropriation of land, nor does the ANC.
"Yes, ANC leadership is a bit sturbbon about Nationalisation, but some leaders do support it. This gives us some hope. DA is not even talking about it."
Which leaders? Julius? He's not even in the ANC dude :P
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SinudeityI implore you today to take a step back. I myself have decided to debate more subjectively and found it really enjoyable. Rather then defending the DA might you try finding a third option? Debate rather if the ANC is the most viable party then and why? Just a thought...
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MoffdatThe ANC has the same model of fund raising AND they own a company of their own for fund raising.
Business has always funded politics. They push money at whomever they think represents their interests the best. It is even tax deductible (to a point).
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Danielrjvvuren - Im not defending the DA. Just stating facts. Has the DA built more housing than the ANC? Yes. Does the DA provide more free services to those that can afford it? Yes.So what is your problem?
"Debate rather if the ANC is the most viable party then and why?"
LOL, this is what I have been doing.
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@SinudietyI said it above that I and the other majority of our black people who will never cross over will always blame booers and apartheid. There you have it , I am not feeling shame about it , why should I? African Americans got their reparations for slavery and are respected very much all over the world for their stand. The Jews were and /or are still compensated and respected all over the world and for your information sake the Jews were even given a country called Israel for their suffering during first world war. You'll never find a Jew talking reconciliation , nation building and rainbow nation with a German never. They're open enemy. Black people too must know who their enemy is and start dealing with that enemy. A person who oppressed you and your generation and k ill your ancestors over many years, you turn around and say well your're my friend and my country man, how sick is that. As long as some of our black brothers and sisters smoke a peace pipe with booers , booers will always take an advantage of us and insult us as is happening now in this site. Booers children have a field day here and this happens every single day, they insult us , humiliate us, degrade us , rape and sodomise us right in front of the world and we're told not to blame these people by Thuli the sellout Madonsela. Sinudiety has called me a backwards black poor dude and I am told by traitors to kiss and pat these people.
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mbondo - "i said it above that I and the other majority of our black people who will never cross over will always blame booers and apartheid."Yeah, and like I said, the majority and you will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated.
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DanielrjvvurenMoffdat
I can understand that, but whom to vote for then? Does any party satisfy the needs of all at all times? Like I said maybe it is time for a new entrant who would actually listen to the masses and not their own pockets? You have to love this country.
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Who to vote for?
I have always believed that anyone man who believes he can be the voice for an entire nation is either a dictator, an id!ot or living in lalaland. Along the line the pure intention that you had after law school or studying political science awakes so the harsh reality that politicians don't do good for everyone. Only the common man can do that.
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SinudeityYes yes yes I'm there with you all the way, but the way you are saying it seems to be more force fed then assimilated into the debate is all. You make it very one sided and unable to debate.
You say:
Does the DA provide more free services to those that can afford it? Yes
I would say:
The DA provides more free services to those who can't afford it, what is the plans for the ANC to give core services?
You allow other views I guess...
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mbondo - PS, the Jews were massacred during the 2nd world war, and yet they were given Isreal after the 1st world war.So, how could they have been given land for the genocide of World War 2, if they were given the land prior to those events?
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MoffdatVoice of a nation, but you do get those select few that believe one person stands in stead for an entire culture. Like with the ET murder every comment was about how the Afrikaner has lost his voice, but f*ck that he is no leader of me? So if I understand correctly you are saying do not look for answers to the voting question but rather do what you must? Thats another thing I do not understand, and this might sound racist but just go with it, but why do so many black people still believe that the ANC will deliver? I understand why people vote ANC but why do they still act surprised when they do not deliver?
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Danielrjvvuren - Do you call this a debate?People ignoring facts, and making up their own facts as they go along, and completely ignoring the truth. This isnt a debate. This is a collection of morons and idiots peddling each other their own lies, and swallowing it up.
mbondo accused me of using the k-word, I asked him proof, and now suddenly the topic has been ignored.
You tell me dude.
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SinudeityI am looking down on you from my high horse ne... Time to get off and be the Daniel I was! Yeah you will get idiocy and people you do not agree with. Hell Moffdat and I have had an entire week of bickering and look we are conversing like adults today and I'm really enjoying it.
mbondo Hasn't garnished any proof of the name calling so he can just go fly a kite. Let him be.
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@Sinudeity_Have you hear the saying don't feed the troll?
@Moffdat
I think now we come to it, we do not need the DA to rule, but we need the DA to be strong, very strong and ideally maybe another party in the race. It is the way democracy is supposed to work and not only helps defend against corruption but also gives the people confidence that they have a voice.
Is it not sad that the struggle was about making each South Africans voice heard but that we can now only say one word with that voice?
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SinudeityJa maar jy is neerdrukkend. In a conversation people view opinions the do not hurtle them like knives is all, but I'll back off now. It just seems that you are forever defending but not listening... Maar genoeg gaan aan.
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DJ-Winner@Sinudeity_
Well, I visited those site.
Nope, DA does not support affairmative action. Actually, there are criticizing it.
DA does not support extrapropriation of land. Maybe you are reading those documents upside down.
Yes, ANC leadership is a bit sturbbon about Nationalisation, but some leaders do support it. This gives us some hope. DA is not even talking about it.
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The DA does not support AA? Then i wonder why even c.oloureds are losing jobs to black people in the Western Cape?
Ofcourse the DA supports land reform, they just blame government and not land owners for the slow pace of reform. The DA was the first party to introduce worker & farmer partnerships whereby many farm workers working on wine farms in the WC have equity stake in the farms they work for, which have proven to be much successful than the ANC's give land to a bunch of randoms who land up selling the land back to investors.
As for nationalization, there is no empirical evidence suggesting that nationalization will reduce poverty and increase opportunity for black people, infact, the ANC study concludes that it would bankrupt our state. So the DA been silent on nationalization is actually a good thing!
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Danielrjvvuren - Please man, Im insulted on sowetan, every, single, day. Nobody says anything. Yet, when I reciprocate...Of course I listen, I just dont agree with mbondo, Moffdat and that other dude, and their crazy views. Why would I want to be diplomatic with people that are openly hostile towards me?
If they cant take it, get out of the kitchen.
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SinudeityThey have gone rather quite? Maybe they only wanted a sandwich in the kitchen and left?
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mbondoActually the Jews and Germans are partying in bed together.
Germany with the US are the number one defenders and allies of Israel.
And you cannot compare the holocaust with apartheid. 4 millions Jews died and were denied the right to live or exist. Apartheid did not deny you your life, it just denied you a western life style.
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Danielrjvvuren - Its lunchtime, just wait for it.Report Abuse
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Can't we move forward as the nation,and start to deal with facts,corruption is corruption it has nothing to do with apartheid and besides the article is not about thuli defending apartheid she was merely speaking the truth which some of us are no longer familier with the word.Report Abuse
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@SinudeityYourself , you're a witness. You know what you said to me booer boy and as always deny what a black man is accusing you of. This is the same attitude booers apply for the past 20yrs , skop and donder die K iffffffir hy sal vergeet and forgive, well not so my little nazi. You should apologise to me not the other way round.
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mbondoaaaw, shame.
You aren't innocent, Bong. You normally start it.
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Sinudeity_Arguing with Bong is an exercise in futility. He comes up with the most ridiculous exaggerations and then sits back giggling when he gets a response. Rising to the bate is what he wants you to do.
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DanielrjvvurenThe ANC has a rich illustrious history. From finding favour with Halie Salasie I of ethiopia, to Fidel Castro and Ernesto che Guevara... the list is endless and so is the loyalty amongst its followers (myself included).
I know that people like Zuma, Julius and Ignorance are (is Igno still with the party? lol) temporary and a result of popular belief. Why are poor people truly dissatisfied with the ANC in your opinion?
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mbondoI would recommend you find proof of this allegation otherwise you are nothing but a two faced lier wanting to instill violence and anger. If you find proof I will gladly make Sinudeity say sorry but until such proof is presented you are on your own. Chop chop time is running out.
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mbondo - "Yourself , you're a witness. You know what you said to me booer boy and as always deny what a black man is accusing you of."If there is one word I will never use, its the k-word. Come on dude, put your money where your LYING mouth is, and show me evidence.
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MoffdatI would think, and this is all pure speculation, that there is no delivery on what is promised. Ok I also am very proud of the history of the ANC from sol plaatje and such and my god what a rich history it is, but our leaders are stuffing up such a beautiful party. ANC has become synonymous with corruption and greed. How is Motlanthe? I will admit I do not know the first thing about him. Would he be better than Zuma? Could he bring the party back to where it should be?
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Danielrjvvuren - Motlanthe was caught stealing R800 million from the Landbank. Once found out, the "loan" was quickly repaid, and nothing else happened.Report Abuse
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Danielrjvvuren - And he was connected to the Oil-for-food corruption scandal.Report Abuse
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Sinu'Of course I listen, I just dont agree with mbondo, Moffdat and that other dude, and their crazy views. Why would I want to be diplomatic with people that are openly hostile towards me?'
I believe i have been quiet reasonable and patient with you today other than laughing at your earlier statement i have given you an opportunity to adequately represent yourself.
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Sinudeity_mbondo - "i said it above that I and the other majority of our black people who will never cross over will always blame booers and apartheid."
Yeah, and like I said, the majority and you will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated
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whats this now?watch your emotional outburst son,you discusing with mbondo ok
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Moffdat - "I believe i have been quiet reasonable and patient with you today other than laughing at your earlier statement i have given you an opportunity to adequately represent yourself."Yeah? And what about yesterday and your numerous insults?
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Sinudeity_dont prtend to be a DA member,all your views point you are a freedom front plus
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MoffdatI think we have done very well today and ask if we can keep it this way in future. Really fun actually.
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The-Rothschildsmbondo
Actually the Jews and Germans are partying in bed together.
Germany with the US are the number one defenders and allies of Israel.
And you cannot compare the holocaust with apartheid. 4 millions Jews died and were denied the right to live or exist. Apartheid did not deny you your life, it just denied you a western life style.
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we are not taling about the number we are talking racism and deaths
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@DanielrjvvurenThe proof is there but you purposely push it aside.
Sinudiety is my proof and what else do you want boy?
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I am innocent strus God your booer boys here provoke me all the time, I am a sweet, fine, caring black man but booers here are sh8tting all over my head. I am a kind, considerate , lovely black man with respect but knows his open enemy.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "dont prtend to be a DA member,all your views point you are a freedom front plus"You are right, Im not a DA member. Nor am I a FF+ member.
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mbondo - "Sinudiety is my proof"Your great great great grandfather was white. And you are my proof :P
Doesnt make any sense, does it.
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mbondoI would like the link of the article that he called you this word. You know if you google the display name and the word you will find a list of when he said it and there appears to be articles Sin was in that the word was used but he himself never used it so as the internet puts it "your argument in invalid"
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "dont prtend to be a DA member,all your views point you are a freedom front plus"
You are right, Im not a DA member. Nor am I a FF+ member
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but you fit in an FF+ agenda,why not join them you can be their next president
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Nope, DA does not support affairmative action. Actually, there are criticizing it."
Nope, they are critizing the ANC's implementation of BEE, which enriches a small bunch of connected cadres, instead of spreading the wealth. The DA is in favour of BEE/AA. But then again, I can tell you that the sky is blue, but if you keep your eyes closed, you will never know.
"DA does not support extrapropriation of land. Maybe you are reading those documents upside down."
I didnt say that the DA supports expropriation of land, nor does the ANC.
"Yes, ANC leadership is a bit sturbbon about Nationalisation, but some leaders do support it. This gives us some hope. DA is not even talking about it."
Which leaders? Julius? He's not even in the ANC dude :P
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Stop lying here. DA is against afairmative action. Not so long ago Lindiwe Mazibuko was criticising it in public. You don't know what you talking about.
As I said, ANC is looking at other alternatives since willing buyer, will seller is not working. DA has nothing.
Mbalula, Sexwale and others are not against nationalisation....
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DanielMothlanthe is a very reasonable leader. That is the one thing South african culture is losing with the Zuma years... reason!!!!
Mothlanthe is a politician and like i said i don't trust any of them. But we live in the real world and you can't govern without politicians so i have to have a view.
He won me over when his partner(girlfriend) was suspected of accepting a bribe (but it is a bit more intricate than that) HE approached Thuli Madonsela to investigate the allegations made. Some papers would continue to write articles implicating him and not mentioning what he did.
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@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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MoffdatInteresting move from him? Is he isn't loose with his financial morals? I must really get back into politics. My father back in the day did his undergrad in politics but refuses to tell us who to vote for or give us insight as he believes its a personal choice that has to be chosen trough research. Does he have any stand out policies that will help us?
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mbondoYou such a troll dammit! Well played.
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CYBORICO
Danielrjvvurenhope u still here, i need very crucial info from you, r there any unusuall activities at the science department(stella hill campus)(especialy the astronomy people) get a friend who does astronomy and find out, what r they viewing on that large telescope of theirs, what results r they getting, please man find out for me, i need this
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Any UCT students on the blog?Report Abuse
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mbondoLOL
Shees, you are going to have to pray very hard tonight for those porkiepies :)
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anybody scholars with a good telescope, who has something to share especialy relating to "our coming visitors"?Report Abuse
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van vuuren where r u now?Report Abuse
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DJ-Winner@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
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CYBORICOI'm UKZN? Not the striking campus Howard I'm in Westville. Our striking season only starts in 2 weeks and I'm on the business campus god knows if we even do astronomy at UKZN?
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Moffdat
SinudeityIt's not you sinu i have something against anyone who thinks other people are less intelligent than he!!!
Judging others for their lack of intelligence as you put it, leads to the belief that you are intelligent!!!
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The-RothschildsDJ-Winner
@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still maintain my point that DA must change its policies to represent the majority. By just adding black faces to their parliament members will not make us to vote for them. At a moment their policies represent the minority. We are not fools....
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DanielrjvvurenCYBORICO
I'm UKZN? Not the striking campus Howard I'm in Westville. Our striking season only starts in 2 weeks and I'm on the business campus god knows if we even do astronomy at UKZN
Westside used to b the striking campus,
sure they do astronomy at Howard(stella hill) not sure if undergrad is available or just research, there is a large telescope on top of the science building(or atleast what used to be the science building)
can u find out if u can get someone who knows someone close to that telescope, or a student in that department? i have lots of data that needs visual confirmation as proof and the astronomy guys r my best bet
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DJ-WinnerSinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Nope, DA does not support affairmative action. Actually, there are criticizing it."
Nope, they are critizing the ANC's implementation of BEE, which enriches a small bunch of connected cadres, instead of spreading the wealth. The DA is in favour of BEE/AA. But then again, I can tell you that the sky is blue, but if you keep your eyes closed, you will never know.
"DA does not support extrapropriation of land. Maybe you are reading those documents upside down."
I didnt say that the DA supports expropriation of land, nor does the ANC.
"Yes, ANC leadership is a bit sturbbon about Nationalisation, but some leaders do support it. This gives us some hope. DA is not even talking about it."
Which leaders? Julius? He's not even in the ANC dude :P
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Stop lying here. DA is against afairmative action. Not so long ago Lindiwe Mazibuko was criticising it in public. You don't know what you talking about.
As I said, ANC is looking at other alternatives since willing buyer, will seller is not working. DA has nothing.
Mbalula, Sexwale and others are not against nationalisation....
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You should stop lying. The DA has never suggested it is against affirmative action but is against AA which causes a brain drain. They saying, we must not chase doctors, engineers, accountants etc away just because they not black, because we seriously need them, their skills will create further jobs.
Ofcourse the ANC is looking for alternatives because it failed horribly over the past 20 years to reform our agriculture and land. We are still waiting for a land audit.
Ofcourse Tokyo is not against nationalization because he wants the tax payer to bail him out.
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Danielrjvvuren
CYBORICOAt the moment no one is getting into Howard, Big strike there police had to use tear gas and the lot so don't think anyone there? Hahah I have a mate that does political journalism on that campus so I will ask her if she knows anyone?
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "i have something against anyone who thinks other people are less intelligent than he!!!"Dont worry dude, im more intelligent than MOST people :P
Not everyone gets to write predictive applications for the biggest scientific council in the world.
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@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still maintain my point that DA must change its policies to represent the majority. By just adding black faces to their parliament members will not make us to vote for them. At a moment their policies represent the minority. We are not fools....
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How does DA policies represent just the interests of minority? Just because they refuse to punish white, this makes them a bad political party? The DA respects all classes of society, and recognizes the contributions that the middle class (of which millions of black people are now apart) makes to the economy, because there is not economy without a middle class.
You dont vote DA, not because of policies, but because of deep rooted hatred you have for white people :)
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CYBORICO
check the website, for free from your side, maybe you will find something a name, tutor, whatever, pls pls pls?Report Abuse
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@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still maintain my point that DA must change its policies to represent the majority. By just adding black faces to their parliament members will not make us to vote for them. At a moment their policies represent the minority. We are not fools....
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How does DA policies represent just the interests of minority? Just because they refuse to punish white, this makes them a bad political party? The DA respects all classes of society, and recognizes the contributions that the middle class (of which millions of black people are now apart) makes to the economy, because there is not economy without a middle class.
You dont vote DA, not because of policies, but because of deep rooted hatred you have for white people :)
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Not to punish whites, but to correct the imbalances of the past. We can just move on and act as if nothing has happened.
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"We have a right to blame a lot on apartheid, but can we blame all of it on the legacy of apartheid,"----------------------------------------------------------
This statement sums up the whole story - the root of the problem apartheid we will take a long to time to recover from the effects however we are looking forward to the future
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Moffdat
Other than the youth league the ANC tries as much as possible to maintain a united political ideaology in the public eye but his previous role as a student activist, trade unionist and member of umkhontho we sizwe indicate strong socio-economic views. He was a member of the NUM faction that saw mine death go from over 1000 to over 100 in ten years etc etc etc.Contrary to popular belief he actually had more to do with Zuma being president. He has a quiet intensity that i really admire and i have yet to hear him say one stupid thing out of anger. For right now that's about as good as it can get. The days of the Mandelas, Sisulus, Tambos, Bikos are done
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DJ-Winner
We cannot just move on and act as if nothing has happened, I meant...Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
DJ-Winner - "Not to punish whites, but to correct the imbalances of the past."And hows that working out for you?
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Danielrjvvuren
For a bunch of smart people we do waste a lot of time on Sowetan.... Sure we could get a cure for cancer or something if we try? hahaReport Abuse
Ngiyaphapha
ANC knows very well that Thuli Madonsela needs to be monitored, she's got a tendency of forgetting what she is deployed for hence seen in political rallies.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_DJ-Winner - "Not to punish whites, but to correct the imbalances of the past."
And hows that working out for you?
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I see nothing wrong with it? I think it is fair enough.....
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Moffdat
DanielrjvvurenCure for cancer. I'm not that smart... lol!
when i was doing my B.COM the friends i have in the science and technology department! Were always making fun of B.com student saying we had it easy... i think i get that now! lol
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Daniel: lol - But around and around the mulberry bush we will go.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "Were always making fun of B.com student saying we had it easy."Bcom sommer van self.
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - "i have something against anyone who thinks other people are less intelligent than he!!!"
Dont worry dude, im more intelligent than MOST people :P
Not everyone gets to write predictive applications for the biggest scientific council in the world.
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You work for the ICSU carefull i don't start asking questions.
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Danielrjvvuren
MoffdatWhen I was doing my Bcom we made fun of the BA students and there Bugger All degrees. We would sit from 8-5 with lectures and they would have one lecture one hour every second day or something stupid and my god our Insolvency Law lecturer will go on for ever haha. Then we crapped in our pants because undergrad was so hard... how I wish for those days back...
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CYBORICO
Yep, the science and engineering guys get to understand Bcom concept without realy studying it, they lack on the terminology and a few specialised Bcom aplications but in general its water under the bridge to them.Report Abuse
CircusSpectator
And another school got burned down...Report Abuse
Moffdat
Danielrjvvurenlol insolvency law. I just realised that i forgot what the 'golden rule' was... lolest
I use to care about it so much back then
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CYBORICO
daniel so u done with bcom now? what happened to westville, the strike? the chery from howard? the infor i requested from u? r u fake like all this sucker round here?Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "You work for the ICSU carefull i don't start asking questions."Of course you may ask.
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Danielrjvvuren
MoffdatI left the Law far behind and did postgrad diploma in Marketing, I liked the idea of law more than law itself. I was naive and wanted to wear suits like in the movies... I can tell you this Marketing is MUCH easier! hahah
CYBORICO
Good Lord just jump in there with the insults. I am doing my Masters at UKZN westville at night as a part time student to the university so do not have all the access to the information you need. You do not understand the idea of a UKZN strike having police there. There is no one at the university as in the students will hurt you if you set foot on Howard campus and as it turns out that is the campus you want information on so tell you what phone 031 260 1111 and get the information....
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CYBORICO
somewone said something about DA deploying agents round here? am i right to say they were right? if its not Juju and his ajents its Zille and her CT crew, cant somene get a blog where people want to share stuff, not wher people push political agendas of their parties and terror groups?Report Abuse
Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - "i have something against anyone who thinks other people are less intelligent than he!!!"
Dont worry dude, im more intelligent than MOST people :P
Not everyone gets to write predictive applications for the biggest scientific council in the world.
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You work for the ICSU carefull i don't start asking questions
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Soooo! someone dissapeared with out a trace. When you return kindly indicate whether you research revolves around healthcare or pharmaceuticals.
p.s. What's your username on the CFRS blog???
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CYBORICO
need leaked infor, the professors will never give it to me, what iam looking for will definatley be regarded classified by the varsities, hence why i need a student. sorry for that outbust, felt naked for a sec there, was even thinking u r an aparteid agent gathering inteligence from the unsuspecting black blogersReport Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
CYBORICOI don't take kindly to people insulting my integrity as a person or my being as a whole so why don't you keep your turrets and I will back away slowly before we cause each other harm then ok? If it is intellectual property of the University of Kwazulu-Natal you need please contact the department concerned and they will gladly assist you in any way they can. Again that number is 031 260 1111
Thank you
Danielrjvv
P1ssed off Student
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Moffdat - Not involved in medical research. Dont work for CFRS. The models involves waves and strings if that makes sense.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
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@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
......................................
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still maintain my point that DA must change its policies to represent the majority. By just adding black faces to their parliament members will not make us to vote for them. At a moment their policies represent the minority. We are not fools....
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How does DA policies represent just the interests of minority? Just because they refuse to punish white, this makes them a bad political party? The DA respects all classes of society, and recognizes the contributions that the middle class (of which millions of black people are now apart) makes to the economy, because there is not economy without a middle class.
You dont vote DA, not because of policies, but because of deep rooted hatred you have for white people :)
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Not to punish whites, but to correct the imbalances of the past. We can just move on and act as if nothing has happened.
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Since when does the DA not acknowledge apartheid??? Helen Zille was against the hole system.
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Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - Not involved in medical research. Dont work for CFRS. The models involves waves and strings if that makes sense.
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So what type of research are you involved in?
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Particles and energy.Report Abuse
Moffdat
Sinudeity_Moffdat - Particles and energy.
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This is the one time your ineptitude is not a laughing matter.
Well calibrated intelligent answered are welcome
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Danielrjvvuren
How I hated science is school... Or it hated me? Gingers don't gravitate well to science hahahReport Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
is school.... yes... science is school... IN GOD FORSAKEN SCHOOLReport Abuse
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@The-Rothschilds...DA blame governement for everything. They are the opposition, we understand. They use corruption as an excuse for people to hold on to land.
Natonalisation has improved people lives in other countries. That is why we suggested those models be tested here. People are just scared of the challenge and use bankrupcy as an excuse...
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They don't use corruption as an excuse for anything. It is true, the land reform project as we know it was a complete failure because the department did not engage the issue properly, 20 years later, we are still waiting for a land audit, which the ANC claims will be ready by the end of the year. Such an audit should of been conducted & completed in 1995 already.
Please indicate in which countries that the nationalization of platinum & gold and steel mines have successfully reduced poverty and increased opportunity for its citizens. What people are scared? The ANC document rejects nationalization because it will bankrupt the state. The tax payer cannot afford to buy the shares. That is why it makes it more worth it to tax the mining companies so we dont need to give up money for shares and all legal obligations and risks that come with the mining industry.
I have said it before, the DA supports policies that grows our economy because without growth, you cannot defeat poverty, it does not matter if the captains of industry are black or white.
......................................
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still maintain my point that DA must change its policies to represent the majority. By just adding black faces to their parliament members will not make us to vote for them. At a moment their policies represent the minority. We are not fools....
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How does DA policies represent just the interests of minority? Just because they refuse to punish white, this makes them a bad political party? The DA respects all classes of society, and recognizes the contributions that the middle class (of which millions of black people are now apart) makes to the economy, because there is not economy without a middle class.
You dont vote DA, not because of policies, but because of deep rooted hatred you have for white people :)
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Not to punish whites, but to correct the imbalances of the past. We can just move on and act as if nothing has happened.
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Since when does the DA not acknowledge apartheid??? Helen Zille was against the hole system.
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It must be reflected in the policies.....
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Sinudeity_
Danielrjvvuren - Cause you need a soul to be able to do science :PReport Abuse
Moffdat
Sinudeity_Alls fair in blog and banter!!!
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Danielrjvvuren
SinudeityI think that is it? The soulless just naturally go for accounting and all those evil things? Might just be why I am as evil as I am.... The creeks use to believe when gingers die they turn into vampires, not the sparkly gay kind, but the truth is we might just be soul sucking demons from birth?
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Danielrjvvuren - LOLNot at all. I cant do accounting. Was the only subject at school that I SUCKED at.
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MommaC
DanielrjvvurenLOL
Science and school were both rather awful :)
Physics was okay (nice and logical) but I sucked big time at chemistry. Must be the ginger gene
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MommaC
DanielrjvvurenMy daughter and I were wondering why that creepy little worm of a man is getting so much attention to start with. Bedazzled vampires were bad enough of an affront to any literate human but to then make him a celebrity?
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Danielrjvvuren
CYBORICOI'm already over it man. I have no time for being angry for too long. I do not know anyone that could assist with your query other than my friend that go's there but as previously stated we can not get information if it might cause bodily harm to attain it. I do drink black label and taking some French students for drinks tonight so I will be having some beer thank you.
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MommaC
DanielrjvvurenLOL
Reminds me of a friend of mine. She had a gynae appointment straight after work so she rushed to the nursery school, picked up her daughter and raced to the gynae's office. When she got there she grabbed her daughter's flannel out of her bag and took a quick trip to the loo to 'freshen' everything up. She couldn't figure out why the gynae kept giving her strange looks until she got home and found out that there was glitter all over the face cloth :)
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Sinudeity_Moffdat - Particles and energy.
nahhhh it cant be, my guess is in the legal spheres, nothing u say here suggest u deal with energy and particles, maybe a bored farmer still in his khakhis, otherwise u wr a waste of brains man, u deal with real stuuf but talk gabage allday?
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Danielrjvvuren
MommaCHahah that is just the best! Hahaha where i work there are unisex toilets and this one girl bought her 3 year old son with and she need to go to the loo so a few of us were in there and she rushed this child into the loo with her and all you hear from the stall is : "Oh mommy also has a beard, but why is it there?" He shouted it so loud that the entire office was in stitches for days.
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@Danielrjvvuren- sO EK IS EVIL SE JYReport Abuse
MommaC
DanielrjvvurenLOL
Not a waxing fan, I take it :)
Kids can be so very embarrassing.
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Danielrjvvuren
candiliousYour an accountant? Evidently we are evil, I'm no accountant but gingers you know...
MommaC
Seems she has forgone a few appointments.
Look at us all co-existing so harmoniously
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The-Rothschilds
DJ-WinnerHow does wanting to grow the economy at 8%, demand better education, have an accountable government which would include an efficient land reform department that would address land issues efficiently, wanting to give tax breaks to small business start ups by black people etc etc etc etc NOT ADDRESS THE PAST?
Has Julius Malema fooled you so badly that nationalization and taking land without compensation is going to solve all your problems...................Julius could of said lets all take a dump and sell it, and you would be fighting for that right now just because you connect with Julius's racist tendencies towards white people.
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MommaC
candiliousDis die waarheid - geen grappies.
We nearly wet ourselves the next day when she told us about it
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CYBORICO
Has Julius Malema fooled you so badly that nationalization and taking land without compensation is going to solve all your problems...................Julius could of said lets all take a dump and sell it, and you would be fighting for that right now just because you connect with Julius's racist tendencies towards white people.it can speak sense when it wants to, the glaciers r melting maybe i will have to change aswell,
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@MommaC- i can only imagine hehehehhehhe ek lag my dan klaReport Abuse
Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - "nothing u say here suggest u deal with energy and particles"Sowetan doesnt really run physics articles does it? Anyways, google 'slashdot', thats where my science comments go to.
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CYBORICO
Sowetan doesnt really run physics articles does it? Anyways, google 'slashdot', thats where my science comments go to.right away
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Mamlambo
SinuAnd i thought string theory is taking a back seat at the moment cos of M theory.
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Sinudeity_
Mamlambo - M-theory is like the unification theory of string theory. Just like 'theory of everything' is the unification of gravity, macro-physics, particle physics etc.But I deal more with pre-big bang theory and quantum gravity.
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Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - LOLEnjoy, slashdot rules (news for nerds).
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Mamlambo
Sinuyes,i was kinda simplifying.
general relativity then. I don't know a term for pre-bigbang theory. :P
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Danielrjvvuren
Ok guys my mind switches off now. I will see you people tomorrow! Phu.za Thursday!!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
candiliousWe were gone gone :)
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CYBORICO
@Sinudeityhey man r u for real or just saying stuff u heared or found by quickly brousing the net? Quantum gravity is a new thing, and i belive no sa company or varsity is currently doing research on that? b4 i go tell us sinu, u 4 real or just covering yourself
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Mamlambo
Nothing like an impossible task to keep you busy. Even my vague understanding of it is that the physics applicable prior to the big bang would have been completely different to the subsequent physics, meaning that you're not only trying to find a needle in a haystack, but you don't even know what either the needle or the haystack look like, or should look like.Makes me wonder how you have any time for commenting on Sowetan articles all day. lol.
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Moffdat
CYBORICOI have been trying to get him to tell me what type of research he does for ICSU after he claimed he worked for them. I still can;t get a straight forward answer. A lot of people claim to be something they're not...
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MommaC
MoffdatHe is a computer programmer, not a researcher. He writes the programmes that the researchers use
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Sinudeity_
CYBORICO - I am for real dude. But Im not a physicist. I program computer models based on specific theories and simulate outcomes in a rendered environment.Mamlambo - Yeah, thats true. Before there big bang, there wasnt any time. The model were currently working on, is the PBB wave model. Which states that there are superstring "waves" (not really waves, but the vibrations of the strings), floating about outside our universe, and whenever these waves collide, a new universe is created.
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Moffdat - I never claimed I worked for ICSU.Report Abuse
Moffdat
MommaCOnce again for no reason at all you go and defending someone just because they are wh!te. Go and read the above comments and tell me if that is what he said. Your minions are id!ots and stop defending them because they are wh!te!
You do not look good with egg on your face!!!! I don't argue about facts so this will be the end of this conversation!!!!
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MommaC
MoffdatI tell you what, go and read my comment and tell me if I was defending anyone or simply passing on information?
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MommaC
I swear, there should be a forfeit for every time that poor, tattered and abused 'race card' gets pulled. No wonder nobody takes it seriously any more.Report Abuse
Moffdat
Sinudeity_The lie you perpetuated is an all time low. The next time you consider others stup!d please remember that they all know more than you do.
p.s. I've been advised to not feed the an!mals!!!
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Moffdat - LOL, no problem.Not a chance Im going to step out of nom de plume to prove something. But yeah, its difficult to believe someone when they say something online. Unless of course, they accuse me of using the k-word :P
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Sguveve
Big up to you Thuli! The ANC thinks that it will rule forever by blackmailing the masses. If you disagree with them, you're counter-revolutionary. Don't be intimidated, keep doing your job with excellence!Report Abuse
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@cyboricoI'm at uct.
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TheTrueWord
Thuli you are doing a good and a professional job. Clean up our gutted ANC government for us please so that we can support it with pride. Okwamanje ibolile futhi akekho umuntu ozithandayo ongayi supporta uma isenjengoba inje.Siyabonga ngokubeka igama lamakhosikazi isithunzi esifanele. Sifisa bonke amakhosikazi in position of influence and power to use your selfless dedication and professional zealous work their role model.
Don't worry ngalabo abangakuthandi, it is because bona they thrive in corruption, mediocrity, incompetency and unprofessionalism.
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M'Lungu
Eish!, What will the ANC do if they can't blame Apartheid for everything gone wrong? You cannot expect them to commit political suicide and admit to their dismal unability to make a success of governing this country in a fair, honest and productive manner?Report Abuse
Pitbull123
In SouthAfrica its not easy to look at things the way they are without blaming them on Apartheid. It was a system meant to oppress and subjugate black people perpetually. Whites are the benefectors of apartheid and blacks are the victims thereof.I agree fully with the public protector that apartheid caused all these problems.
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M'Lungu
Hau! Pitbull123 are you not missing the point somewhere? Maybe blame that on Apartheid as well?Report Abuse
Madlenya
From 18 yrs one is old enough to decide for him/herself. This should be also applied to our democracy maturity.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
What an intelligent womanReport Abuse
wiselady
PEOPLE LETS FIX OUR THINKING STRATEGY IN UPPER LEVEL THEN ALL THINGS WILL BE FINE IN DOWN STAIRS.Report Abuse
wiselady
IS HIGH TIME WE PLACE PEOPLE THAT R QUALIFYING IN LEADERSHIP. BRAVO TO MAMA MADONSELA STAND FOR WHAT SHE BELIEVE TO BE RIGHT I'D VOTE FOR TO BE IN PRESIDENCY SIT.Report Abuse
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