Once in his life time this urgly old man agrees that they've failed to better SAns' lives.Nationalisation of all stuff used to be gov properties in apartheid time is the only factor that can be used in economy transformation of this country.
I dont think there's someone who can tell me why did whites call for privatisation of some of gov properties after 1994. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Ja, one can see voting time is getting closer, anc has not only failed BEE with their corrupt ways, they failed the country.
Please enlighten us on what was government properties prior to 1994?
Your anc can't even deliver text books, they can't even curb corruption a little, it is only getting worse and you want more money in their hands, I smell an idiot. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
januswanus
Problem you serving yourself as an organization. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - You not talking about Telkom? It was a parastatal. Then the ANC made sure they bought lots of shares in the business, and privatised it. Some cadres made a cr@pload of cash. Now they want to nationalise it again? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Ntate Ntjebe only now you realise that you have made white owned companies very rich for complying with with this k@k and the cronies like Tokyo, Saki, Fani, Cyril, Radebe's wife, Zuma's Sons, ect. While those that queued to put you in power are left destitute and the shareholding that the cronies have can not even force the board of to employ their children or give them bursaries let alone intern ships. Now you want to go radical, what radical policy can you implement if the cronies that are still in this companies. Do you honesty think they will allow you to take the bacon out of their mouth? I still say Ntjebe if you want this radical policies to fly you and your communists must step down Sir!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nys1
After milking SA’s economy nou le sharpo , so everthing must go back to normal…Sis M’dala o le ANC ba tlwaela batho Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Like every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
Good Morning All
Yes, the ANC has failed to rebuild the economy. The organisation is run by unskilled, uneducated morons who care only for themselves. We keep telling them that they cannot separate politics and economics.
MorenaWaPolelo
Like every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!!
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Dude they are busy imploding, it is not to many moons from now and the anc will be only something in the history boos, not a an liberation party, but the most corrupt the world has seen. The ones who suffer is the people of SA, even the idiots voting for them, they are just to d.umb to realise it. Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo - ANC aint here to stay bru. Your party is busy dying. The ANC is not a sustainable party dude. Their corruption and incompetence is costing us more than we can give. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Like every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!!
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Hello there.
The ANC is feeding on the naivety of the electorate. The party is not sustainable at all. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MicaParis
There are three main organisational weaknesses and shortcomings that have persisted in the ANC post-1994 period:
Firstly, the challenges of governance and political management of state power have been impacting on the character and values of the ANC as the movement for transformation and servant of the people. Secondly, the political life of the organisation revolves around permanent internal strife and factional battles for power. This is a silent retreat from the mass line to palace politics of factionalism and perpetual in-fighting. Thirdly, the organisational capabilities structure, systems and processes do not match the tasks and demands of the current phase of the revolution. Due to the preoccupation with managing internal conflicts, the movement has not been mitigating the seven dangers that ''our'' party has to contend with and manage.
''Our'' ANC that we love so much should manage for future existence,
a. The danger of social distance and isolation of the party from the masses;
b. The danger of state bureaucratism and demobilisation of the masses;
c. The danger of corruption and neo-patrimonialim;
d. The danger of institutionalized factionalism, ill-discipline and disunity fuelled
and inspired by the battles over the control of state power and resources;
e. The danger of using state institutions to settle inner-party differences;
f. The danger of neglecting cadre policy;
g. The danger of lack of capacity and capability to implement policies in order to
rapidly improve the standard of living of the masses.
who can trust what "zidlele" is saying? Yacaci ikati emnyama ehlungwini. Yhaay we will see Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Segodithomas
Julius Malema was telling the truth that why he was expelled. Why radical change now becuase you didnt want him to say what you are saying now. You can see that you have made mistake on all the people you were attacking and still attacking. Continue with your naked march, we careless.
I am an African, i know my rights. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Mxaueht
@ Sinudeity_
The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward.
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I doubt if that is still true....we are available skilled with vast knowledge and experienxe, but given lame positions.
I think corruption, nepotism and those illiterates with only fake matric certifictaes and college diplomas on the top are the factors here. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Buc4life
Guys and Lady the ANC as a political party is sustainable and the electorate that SOL is refering too as idiots will make sure that they retain power. Bucs you are allowing you emotions to run away with you luvy, the ANC has experienced this kind of back lash before and it has prevailed and it will MARK MY WORDS. All I can say is hold on change is coming!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Buc4life
Guys and Lady the ANC as a political party is sustainable and the electorate that SOL is refering too as idiots will make sure that they retain power. Bucs you are allowing you emotions to run away with you luvy, the ANC has experienced this kind of back lash before and it has prevailed and it will MARK MY WORDS. All I can say is hold on change is coming!!
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and why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Mxaueht - Indeed, we have the skills to run the country. But unfortunately, the ANC and cadre deployment prevents those people from getting in positions where they can make a difference. Meanwhile, all we have are criminals and m0rons running the country.
And then we have folks like MorenaWaPolelo defending them. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
MicaParis - Maybe ONCE YOU and your leaders realise that the REVOLUTION is over, you can GET THE H3LL ON WITH IT. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
1tsotsi
@Gwede
We? Who's we? You, zuma, blade came and destroyed everything that Mandela and Mbeki built.. Instead you and blade kept on defending the ineffective zuma, attacking academics, calling them counter revolutionaries, reactionalist, arnachist and all. Now you wantt to include everyone? Bull, go tell that your kids. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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MicaParis
''Our'' ANC that we love so much should manage for future existence,
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When I read this I gagged, I don't even want to be associated with this criminal organisation. I feel embarrassed when international people ask me why the anc is still in power. The only thing I can tell them is that we sit with a lot of uneducated people in SA who is very gullible. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
MorenaWaPolelo - Yeah dude, CHANGE IS COMING. But not the change you want. The change will be when YOU and your LEADERS are DRAGGED NAKED through dirty township streets.
The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
MicaParis
Social distance, policy implementation and managing internal conflict are big issues, ow can you concentrate when you know that knives are out. Elective conferences are interesting times in our movement!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MicaParis
@MorenaWaPolelo
Ntate Ntjebe only now you realise that you have made white owned companies very rich for complying with with this k@k and the cronies like Tokyo, Saki, Fani, Cyril, Radebe's wife, Zuma's Sons, ect. While those that queued to put you in power are left destitute and the shareholding that the cronies have can not even force the board of to employ their children or give them bursaries let alone intern ships. Now you want to go radical, what radical policy can you implement if the cronies that are still in this companies. Do you honesty think they will allow you to take the bacon out of their mouth? I still say Ntjebe if you want this radical policies to fly you and your communists must step down Sir!!!
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Allutta My Chief!!
Some people claim to understand the ANC and South African politics!
I respect your knowledge on ANC politics my Chief, push very hard at Branch level, we need your understanding in our ANC. We are tired of ''milk teeth'' ''comrades come children'' in the ANCYL who claim to be 'cadres' after being born from spongy cheap ''hi-school and campus '' politics! A comrade come from branches not University or high school!
You are a very rare blogger who make sense about the ANC, is either you are brilliant or one of your relative is within us in the chambers, but your knowledge about ANC is very good and true!!
Keep it up Comrade, push Branch politics we need you in our ANC! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Ngwedane
What is happening in the ANC is exactly the same thing with Animal Farm, the ANC big bosses are enriching themselves and neglecting the masses. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Papage
Now they can go, and we need new people who will deliver, just like Nathi who instructed the Police to shoot miners, he must go. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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Sinudeity_
The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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lol it is funny when an anc cadre uses a new word and you can see he is so impressed when he reads it off his little paper because he learned it only an hour ago how the followers start to use the word as well. It is like they run to a dictionary, Eish, that word, that word we must know!!
Sinudeity_
And then we have folks like MorenaWaPolelo defending them
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I consider myself to be very objective and Im not defending anyone!!!
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The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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Lol please man do not make me lough!!!!! The is no delusion here you are conflicting isues your argument is based on those that are deployed in government and mine is based on the party i.e. ANC and Im telling you that the ANC is sustainable do not believe the hype of the media, we are used to this. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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lol it is funny when an anc cadre uses a new word and you can see he is so impressed when he reads it off his little paper because he learned it only an hour ago how the followers start to use the word as well. It is like they run to a dictionary, Eish, that word, that word we must know!!
the words Blind Sheep comes to mind.
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True that. More than blind sheep, I would say LOLest. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
MorenaWaPolelo
I asked you why you say the ANC is sustainable? I am still waiting for an answer. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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MorenaWaPolelo
Lol please man do not make me lough!!!!! The is no delusion here you are conflicting isues your argument is based on those that are deployed in government and mine is based on the party i.e. ANC and Im telling you that the ANC is sustainable do not believe the hype of the media, we are used to this.
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One does not need to read the media in order to see the anc led government is a complete F up. you just need to drive down the road, go into a hospital, go to a local school or look at the amount of jobless people walking around during the day, go to a rdp settlement and look at all the incompetence there.
ONE JUST NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES, IF YOU DONE THIS, TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS AND DON'T LISTEN TO THE LIES.
Mr. Mantashe, this is the smartest statement you have made this year. Kudos! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4life
and why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers?
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Asking me if Im the blind follower is irrelevant and wont change my view on this matter. Is either we don not know what sustainable mean or we are missing the point. Im saying the Glorius Movement is sustainable because after Mangaung, General Elections, Next Local Elections, Next General Election, Next Policy and Electiive Conference the ANC will still be there.My dear if COPE or any other political party occupies the Union Building and the right seats at Parly the ANC will still be there sitting on the left. (If the impossible statement make you and others happy that is what i mean when I say the movement is sustainable) Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
How did they fail to negotiate a better deal?
Everything that Gwede is pointing at is a stuff up AFTER the deal and has nothing to do with it Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
goochy
Die Man praat net kaak. BEE is a very good programme that was aimed at empowering ordinary Black fellows. Now the problem is not BEE but stupid people like him who do not qualify to lead the country. They just don't know how to implement and monitor this programme especially their friends whom they deployed to oversee that the programme fulfill it's mandate. He is one of the people who is causing this and now he stand in front of us like a pastor and tells us that the programme is failing. Who does he think he is. And does he really think that people are that stupid? This Fucking old man must just resign because he doesnt know what the hell he talks about. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Hosh6
Buc4life
What makes you think ANC isn't sustainable?
Mantashe yes you and your fellow cadres failed dismally as you are clueless...There are deserving people who should be serving in our government but because they are not from exile or don't relate to struggle fighters they don't qualify. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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goochy
Die Man praat net kaak. BEE is a very good programme that was aimed at empowering ordinary Black fellows.
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The idea was great but failed miserably because the goverment only gave deals to family and close friends, over and over again, now the ordinary black person is still where is was and only the elite gets richer. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
Do you get tenders from the gov?
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What do you mean? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
MorenaWaPolelo
What do you mean?
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Sorry, I will type it out: Do you get tenders from the government? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
Someone may bet with me SSU will beat Mighty Buccania to dae Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Makhosini0408
No Sir, You lot failed to create a conducive environment for business to flourish. Only created black diamonds, elites and tenderpreneurs. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tabza325is
"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."
This says it all, as long as the reserve bank a private banking institude controls the country's currency they will never be economic freedom, show me any private bank that has the interest of the people at heart, bankers are all about profite... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONS
MorenaWaPolelo
What do you mean?
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Sorry, I will type it out: Do you get tenders from the government?
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Okay I think the essence of the debate is lost, let us agree to disagree on the sustainable matter. To You, Sin, Bucs Thanks for the debate Sirs and Lady Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tsatsatsa
He (Mantashe) highlighted the unintended consequences of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE), which had so far failed to transform the economy. Such failures, including rampant poverty, inequality and unemployment, had prompted the debate on the new phase of the national democratic revolution.
BEE has only benefited the few in SA and more than 60% of BEE deals have actually gone to 5 people. MorenaWaPolelo has just named some of them washiya uMotsepe.........I agree with the sentiments that ANC has no plan when it comes to Economic Transformation. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
@Sinudeity_
I am getting very irritate by you comments!!!! ANC is here to stay whether you like it or not. So stuff your insults, just because its a black man in government it doesnt give you right to insult him like that!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
I think Gwede is being too hard on himself and his comrades. Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life. No country in the world is without poverty. Ntate Ntjebe i respect your views and i think you're a very intelligent leader and i think focusing on the past is taking the credibility out of your well intended statement.
Sinudeity_
The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward
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relly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94 Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MUofhekona
dont talk nonsense with your big tummy Gwede,i hate this government with all my heart.i rather vote for DA not Ass Nothing but Corruption thugs.Why are you still vote for this empty promise boys.How can we be governed by grade 4 pupil(Zuma)Viva Banana Republic Viva. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Mamlambo
Always this kind of talk in elections year.
What about next elections? Will ntjebe be saying "oh, we made a mistakes in 2012, now we can fix it in 2017".
Ntjebe, showera, juju... can just keep getting fat and saying empty words. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
Hosh6
Buc4life
What makes you think ANC isn't sustainable?
Mantashe yes you and your fellow cadres failed dismally as you are clueless...There are deserving people who should be serving in our government but because they are not from exile or don't relate to struggle fighters they don't qualify.
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Corruption is not sustainable, or is it? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
This BEE policy is a mess because ga e na theoretical aproach to it. its like building a wall without cement Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tsatsatsa
National Party once said that they will never die.....baphi nje!!! uKhongolose uzigumbela igodi. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
nkunzemnyama
If we are to transform this country into the best country in Africa we need to change a system that is being used by our givernment. We're using capitalistic system but at the same playing with people's mind & say the country's wealth sall be shared, which is communism, most worrying is this get rich fast scheme called BEE which supports politician & their families to be filthy rich through tenderpreneurship. Gwede don't fool us by making statements we want action and we we want it now Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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Dandan
relly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94
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No, what do you mean, a few extra dodgy houses and schools, education that is worse than before 94 and a few elite that got richer. Corruption of the highest in the world, great way of taking us forward.
History has taught us that no liberation party was successful, go and read it up and let me know if you find one. We need change, the anc did what it had to with the np, now we need someone who can take the country forward,
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4life
and why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers?
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Asking me if Im the blind follower is irrelevant and wont change my view on this matter. Is either we don not know what sustainable mean or we are missing the point. Im saying the Glorius Movement is sustainable because after Mangaung, General Elections, Next Local Elections, Next General Election, Next Policy and Electiive Conference the ANC will still be there.My dear if COPE or any other political party occupies the Union Building and the right seats at Parly the ANC will still be there sitting on the left. (If the impossible statement make you and others happy that is what i mean when I say the movement is sustainable)
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I did not ask you to change your views on matter.
You do not understand the meaning of sustainability. Yes, the ANC will be there because there is no other credible party for the majority to vote for, but by no means, that does not mean that the party is sustainable. Corruption, infighting can never sustain any party. The ANC is in disarray, and sooner or later, this party will be made to pay by the very people who vote it in power. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Please enlighten us on what was government properties prior to 1994?
Your anc can't even deliver text books, they can't even curb corruption a little, it is only getting worse and you want more money in their hands, I smell an idiot.
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Minerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
I suggest you leave this country rite now, I wish we can engage in a fist fight. I would smack the taste out of your mouth. ANC is not doing anything for me and I dont expect it to but all I want is for them to help the needy, but against your liking, it is here to stay. ANC is going to be in power for a looooooooooooooooooong time, so deal with it. Your madam Zille, will soon show her truce and join us!!!!
You should see the white people working in government, they are so lovely and have learnt african languages. We even have named them sotho, zulu,pedi, xhosa names. And they like them. That is what transformation means. I mthinking of a name you!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - You not talking about Telkom? It was a parastatal. Then the ANC made sure they bought lots of shares in the business, and privatised it. Some cadres made a cr@pload of cash. Now they want to nationalise it again?
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U're a liar man kakkakakkakakkakakkakakakakakaka shut up!lol Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4life
Lets agree to disagree Dear., and remember I will lobby you to vote for the ANC when the time comes!
Thanks for the Debate Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
nghunghunyane
Who cares? You brough this amongst yourself, we are changing leadership come 2014. skhathele thina Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tabza325is
@Moffdat,"I think Gwede is being too hard on himself and his comrades. Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life"
In the modern world we live in poverty is caused by external factors, this world is abundent with resources which are enough to uplift everybody's life, but this resources which allow for economic success are in the hands of a few and they are the once ripping all the benifits, what you are saying is it's ok for the few who control resources on this earth they shouldn't worry and should pad themselves on the back since they are not responsible for the conditions of poverty that exist in human society as you put it the people who are in poverty are there because of eternal conditions and not external factors they are facing on a day to day basis. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
somaartakeit
Finally mantashe you have come to the obvious truth and reality which resulted in many of us not voting anc anymore, and you know what funny about anc's failure to build economy? you anc have never failed to pocket public purse for your personal luxuries, whilst children of SA have no basic resources enable them in their developmental stages, such basic health care, such as basic nutrition, such as education, as a result they are prone to diseases and underdevelopment, anc you are a shame of all that black SAns fought for, you have used our struggle as your piggy bank, all of you anc leaders live in opulance whilst majority black SAns still live as squalors, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Bohlale1
Ha ha ha ha ha ha do not be emotional my chief!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Minerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
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Mines were operating under apartheid exactly like they are now, I know I am clever, I am also a realist and do not rely on other people to make up my mind, I look at facts, facts shows that your anc are incompetent to the extend of no return. The only way SA can go forward is if we get another party.
This is one of the most distressing things I have read in a long while. The ANC has failed the economy,and the black masses, not because its policies are not " radical" enough, but because of corruption, poor management, cadre deployment, wasteful expenditure, etc.
Now it is blaming the situaiton on the Kempton Park negotiators, and promises to adopt even more " radical " policies. By this it seems more job discrimination against whites, and a state capitaslism model where the state becomes a player in the market.
This is the completely wrong direction - in order for our economy to grow we need to appoint people on the basis of skill not race, and the state should stick to its core business - the administration o fthe country. In last week figures came out showing the productivity of the state sector is about 400 times lower that in the private sector , noe the state wants to take over everything.
What i shappenin ghere is that the ANC have run oiut of plans and answers because they simply cannot halt the corruptiion, cronyism and cadre deployment an dthey are in effect giving in the populist calls of the ANCYL without wanting to admit it.
This is the first time I have really felt despondent about out future. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Eish ja mara bafwethu life is a funny thing. In one life time you are considered a hero and a villain, an intellectual and a nimr0d, a pauper and now a plutocrat.
These guys really need to start writing books about themselves. I would k!ll to read their books where they are brutally honest about the juxtaposition between a freedom fighter and parlimentarian!!!! Report Abuse
oh btw mantashe whilst you have manged to grab your braincells and are able (for now) to have some basic common sense, please know that economic gains being chowed by post plkn pirates are gains which achieved prior to the plkn era, just remember that as you dive deep with your corrupt snouts into our public purse. And with the knowledge that you anc leaders have failed to develop SA's economy in spite all its resources and possibilities, shouldn't you lot step down instead of seeking second term and other terms which will yield no positive results? news flash mantashe you anc regime are going to continue to fail, cause you have chased out the country significant amount educated and economically active citizens, as a direct result of that tax base has shrunk significantly and all the social promises you are promising the poor you are not going to be able to realise them, cause there is simply no money. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@SOLUTIONS
what was the GDP per capita pre 94 blahblahblablhablh
was SA part of UN pre94
was SA member of BRICS pre94
did you have Gautrain pre94
did you have a black CEO at SAA , accelormittal pre94
was bursary scheme the same per scholar pre94
was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94
was the SWC ever pre94 hosted by SA
was there any electricity in the rural areas
was there any tap water in the rural areas Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
@Moffdat, thank you what a positive constructive critisism adn advice!!!!!!
Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life. No country in the world is without poverty
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And South Africa is better than other countries in terms poverty, infrastructure etc. Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for you country. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Kaylae
The only thing that the ANC successfully did was to waste our money renaming streets,hospitals,bridges,towns etc....and ofcourse grants...they cab't even build a mere decent RDP house.the 4 rooms back then are far much better than the soon collapsing RDP houses,tjeeer the potholes come to MP its blo@dy pathetic its like a swimming pool Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
somaartakeit
@cornelius
This is one of the most distressing things I have read in a long while. The ANC has failed the economy,and the black masses, not because its policies are not " radical" enough, but because of corruption, poor management, cadre deployment, wasteful expenditure, etc.
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This is IT! how come so called intellectuals in the anc not have seen this coming, of course with exception of Moeletsi Mbeki he warned the anc of its pitfalls timeously but unfortunately the anc has not ability to take constructive criticism on board, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tikoloshe
1tsotsi
...Tsotsi, you don't normally make sense but in this case you are right. There is this new tendancy of collective public responsibility for their stupidity which is very annoying!!! Malema must be included in this very bad habit, sorry to burst your bubble!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Buc4life
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4life
Lets agree to disagree Dear., and remember I will lobby you to vote for the ANC when the time comes!
Thanks for the Debate
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Im a hard nut to crack, and I never entertain mediocrity. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Yeah, talk is cheap madafakas. We can't eat words. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
somaartakeit
@Kaylae, what else were they supposed to do? these ppl had no vision from the onset they thought to a ministers and president is to fraudulently amass wealth for oneself and those connected to them, I sit here today and laughing cause many voters were warned against anc destruction of not only this country but ordinary SAns lives, now everyone is standing at the brink of total bankruptcy, even now we are doing nothing to stir the ship to the right direction, hence minister of education got away with denying children of SA education in limpopo and the EC thus condemning these kids into futures of being perpetual slaves. But then my friends, if ppl can not see the signs then they must feel the effects, cause really its that simply we all knew that anc is a self centred super corrupt regime which has no interest of the country to heart and yet majority of SAns voted for this, so whatever it is coming away we would have fully deserve it, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
You failed to rebuild the economy but able to line up your pockets with "BEE" money.......... construction companies, the lot...........................
Stop spewing dribble you kimono dragon ........... but that should be expected from you as kimono dragon's saliva is poisonous................ Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4life
Im a hard nut to crack, and I never entertain mediocrity
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Like I said dear when the time comes now is not the time!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
jnrb
Oh please when will you get it into your thick head that it is not about the resources under the ground but HOW you manage it. In terms of its untapped mineral wealth, the Democratic Republic of Congo is one of the richest countries in the world. Its untapped deposits of raw minerals are estimated to be worth in excess of US$ 24 trillion. . (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/specialsales/spotlight/congo/diamond.html). Yet citizens of the DRC are among the poorest in the world, having the second lowest nominal GDP per capita. The money never reaches the people. Why? Idiotic, selfish, incompetent leaders WHO ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES. It is not much different in South Africa. Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Respect the elders the Kinky one tltltltltltlt don't call uncle gwede a komodo dragon neh Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Isn't this what we have been saying the entire week? And the fact that we strike and some citizens entice violence and hate speech doesn't help us keep international investors on pace, but in the end we inherited a broken system so what did we really expect to happen? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
CB045
"ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe admitted that the party had failed to negotiate a better deal when the party ascended to power in 1994"
Mr Mantashe, I salute you on your brutal honesty. It is good to seen political figures come clean after 18 years of continual governance. Sir, now that you have come clean, you will gain much support if you were to join the DA and assist them in undoing the wrongs your party have committed. You have nothing to lose but a lot to gain, should you later decide to return to the ANC fold.
But talking are for women... er, well for men as well. What the public would really like to see is the scaling down of salaries in government so that people found guilty of corruption don't continually fight to retain their jobs and are thrown into prison like the rest of the public. Also, these lavish cars, helicoptor and personal aircraft rides should come to an end as it is terribly wasteful. If the reason is that is faster, then plan your journey earlier, much the same as motorists plan their trip to work. Lastly, those caught with corruption in government or who have police records should not work in government and 'deployment' should not be an option. They have to get off the train, as no more gravy is being served! Perhaps one is powerless to enforce changes now seeing our leader has a dubious record (and those close to him), but we pray that a time will come when honesty and integrity will prevail and South African can be a proud nation where citizens would be as patriotic as the Americans and get on well with other races as in Singapore. (For this to happen, you have to treat Whites as you do Blacks)
Mantashe hits out at tender system, BEE !
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Mantashe if u have children i can bet that they have benefitted from this system .... What r u going to about it now that ya children are BENEFICIARIES ! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Is BEE bad or is it ZEE that we find most objectionable?
Mantashe didn't even have to tell us that the anc regime has failed our economy we knew this, many also suggested that anc will take SA same direction (trend) of other failed countries in this continent thus subjecting SAn citizens into poverty, it was also interesting to note that African politicians die in the Western hospitals as they have failed to develop health infrastructure in teh continent, apparently the president of Ethiopia died in the hospital in Brussels, what a pathetic pathetic creature called president, I often wonder if our president will die in SA or will die else where seeking medical health? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
jnrb
Kindly provide some form of elaboration on how you consider RSA and Congo to be in the same basket of rotten apples? I implore you. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
@MorenaWaPolelo
Bohlale1
Ha ha ha ha ha ha do not be emotional my chief!!!!
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Hade Bro... neh this people have always seen a black man as incompetent in everything.. You will see them with they accent acting as white as they are and we expect them to run over us.... I wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
Dandan
what was the GDP per capita pre 94 blahblahblablhablh
Prices go up every year so it was maybe lower, think dude think. What was the rand value pre 94?
was SA part of UN pre94 ------ No, but the country did great
was SA member of BRICS pre94 ----- hheheheh, what does this help.
did you have Gautrain pre94 -- No, we had a working rail system, build and made in SA, not international companies building it like the Gautrain. It could of been made in SA but your goverment closed those parts of transnet.
did you have a black CEO at SAA , accelormittal pre94 Did SAA show losses pre 94, NO, it was one of the best airlines in the world, servicing some of the biggest operators in the worlds aircraft. No it must be bailed out by the tax payer because of incompetence.
was bursary scheme the same per scholar pre94 --- No, quality of education was way better though with some of the best doctors coming from SA
was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity.
was the SWC ever pre94 hosted by SA --- Who the f*&k cares, it only cost billions with extra corruption for your cronies and it is still costing us money. EISH. our soccer team is also not something to brag about.
was there any electricity in the rural areas --- Does all the rural areas today have? a better government could have sorted this problem much earlier in keeping the standards of pre 94.
was there any tap water in the rural areas --- Still not in, again, a better government that does not want to line their own pockets could have had the job done by now.
@somaartakeit
I often wonder if our president will die in SA or will die else where seeking medical health?
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whhich part of the woprld are you from, Dr Mandela has been from Jhb to Nqunu for medical conditions and he will die here emzansi you are fool you know Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
somaartakeit
@Moffdat for one, sex crime in SA is as bad if not worse as that of Congo, and our leaders are pawning our mineral resources just like kabila is doing to congo and the gains are not ploughed back to the ppl, so these are some similarities btwn SA and Congo, I can write more, but time is not on my side. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Bohlale1
- wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
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That would be great for international business, DOHHHHHHHHHHH, OOOHHHH YES. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Voetzek
When malema says nationalize mines they were saying nywenywenywe and now they blame 1994 for economy Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Mzabalazo
Bit by bit you guys are admitting that you are messing up, that is not enough but you are getting there. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
All statistics pre-1994 were garbage only meant to influence SAs and the international community that apartheid was a productive system. The reason we are in this mess in the first place is because we are trying to fix a problem which had no business being created. We were sold out and now we are trying to buy ourselves back... the irony Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
somaartakeit
@Voetzek, how is nationalisation of mines going to help our economy as malema suggests? please you guys take us in your confidence so we don't have to doubt these malema calls as just another grandioso, in the same vain that he is self grandiosing in Marikana right now, malema like zuma can be a pathetic at the worse of times . Sadly as foolishness reigns supreme in SA we have these 2 clowns called leaders, what a sad state of affairs, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
SOLUTIONS
Bohlale1
- wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
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That would be great for international business, DOHHHHHHHHHHH, OOOHHHH YES.
Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
All statistics pre-1994 were garbage only meant to influence SAs and the international community that apartheid was a productive system. The reason we are in this mess in the first place is because we are trying to fix a problem which had no business being created. We were sold out and now we are trying to buy ourselves back... the irony
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Dude, please give us the stats of who owns the most businesses in SA, one does also not just get a business, it takes hard work, dedication and more hard work. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
ClarkKent123
These ANC leaders are a bunch of lieing, cheating, idiots...
they think they can fool all South Africans. they have all made their pockets fat now they want to admit they F... up. they are all corrupted, it took the country almost 20years to where we are now(nowhere) how long will it take to get somewhere another 100years.
get the F... out of here Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@SOLUTIONS
was there any freedom of the press pre94, how did you know SAA was run prifitable, you are fool how would you rate SA pre94 as the best country when it was isolated with sanctions
I m here Kwa Nongoma with my laptop and iPad where there was no electricity during your apartheid masters dont tell us us nonsense that the anc has done nothing we are happy with anc
"was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity. " shame idiot , are you telling me this was all about marality, shame silly,ignorant, stupid,fool, what was apartheid all about when denying bl.ack people to make loans in order to start businesses, do you think entrepreneurs were only w.hites you are sick
Here we go - blaming the blameless. The government has had revenues of over R650bn a year (in recent years) in central government and many billions more in municipal taxes to help the poor and they messed it up by cadre deployment - putting the money in the hands of the corrupt and inept. Now they are looking for a whipping boy. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
WarrenG
Yip pal you have failed to build the economy. Too much theft and corruption in your party.
It's like trying to build a house when the brick are getting stolen left right and center...you end up getting rained on.
Or you end up with no toilet. Ha ha ha...so easy to see but most of the voters are blind. kwa kwa kwa
ANC is a joke. Nxa Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
SOLUTIONS
The Rand value was around 6.6 pre 1994
The fact that 90% of our population were not being used/allowed to construct a working economy and we had international sanctions whereby the only forex coming in was via China and Russia (ironically) makes the entire comparison irrelevant. Apples and pears. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MAGAZA
@MorenaWaPolelo..............let's face reallity.......just once my brother....nnete ya nyakaga sometimes. Our econony is hanging on the edge of a cliff. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@WarrenG
ANC is a joke. Nxa
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dont bite the hand that feeds you, the anc fought for you in order to have a better job together with your w.ife and children, the anc does nt owe you, all the opportunities blocked by w.hites the anc gave it to you, dont go around blaming the anc whereas your father dint evn take part to free you Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
somaartakeit
@Moffdat for one, sex crime in SA is as bad if not worse as that of Congo, and our leaders are pawning our mineral resources just like kabila is doing to congo and the gains are not ploughed back to the ppl, so these are some similarities btwn SA and Congo, I can write more, but time is not on my side.
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Without a proper functional judicial system i would argue that not all crimes are reported in the DRC. I think given that you would see a significant disparity between our stats and theirs. Going to the second point you made, the DME has legislation governing mining of all mineral resources. One of which is that a percentage of profits should be given back to the surrounding community. There are plenty of corporation going to court because they haven't followed these laws. However the one we know about every democratic state is that the judicial system is timeous.
p.s.kindly excuse any spelling mistake i'm doing some work at the moment Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dandan
was there any freedom of the press pre94, how did you know SAA was run prifitable, you are fool how would you rate SA pre94 as the best country when it was isolated with sanctions --
I worked for them from 1996, please go and google on when the first time was that SAA run into debt. When your government took over.
I m here Kwa Nongoma with my laptop and iPad where there was no electricity during your apartheid masters dont tell us us nonsense that the anc has done nothing we are happy with anc
I am here close to makoko, mahush in kabokweni, houses until today has no running water and electricity.
"was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity. " shame idiot , are you telling me this was all about marality, shame silly,ignorant, stupid,fool, what was apartheid all about when denying bl.ack people to make loans in order to start businesses, do you think entrepreneurs were only w.hites you are sic
Dude, I agree 100% Apartheid was bad, but you fail to see how your government is a fup, at least the Apartheid gov. looked after their people, can we say the same about the anc. Wake up and smell the corruption, nepotism and lies, if you want to talk about an idiot, look in the mirror. They only look after themselves, they know they must do a little to keep idiots like yourself happy to vote for them.. Feed idiotic lies so that idiots believe them.
This country could have been a example to the world, now it is the laughing stock because of people like you. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Bohlale1
Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!!
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For people like me who owns a company that does business with international people, I see incompetence in your comments, spare them for your 35 year old youth, youth league friends, they might understand it. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Makhosini0408
When your government took over. (you people, you guys, liberals?)
This ANC is full of complete IDIOTS
I'm so disgusted with this mother fcukers
Time for change in the leadership Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Minerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
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Mines were operating under apartheid exactly like they are now, I know I am clever, I am also a realist and do not rely on other people to make up my mind, I look at facts, facts shows that your anc are incompetent to the extend of no return. The only way SA can go forward is if we get another party.
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As long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
Bohlale1 - "I am getting very irritate by you comments!!!! ANC is here to stay whether you like it or not. So stuff your insults, just because its a black man in government it doesnt give you right to insult him like that!"
LOL, no its not. The ANC is busy dying it. Its losing about 10% of votes each election. The bi-elections have been HAMMERING the ANC. In most bi-elections, the DA increased by 30-40%.
Dont care if its a black government. I care that its a black and incompetent government.
Lithuli is on fire.
We dont need no water let the motherf***er burn.
Burn motherf***er.
Burn. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@SOLUTIONS
Do you know BJ Vorster, why was he fired
Do you know Dr John Smth , why was he killed, by who , for what good reasons
what did the apartheid of yours did to the people of mokoko, kabokweni,
are you telling us the anc must fix all the problems in one day whereas your apartheid masters took 350 to destroy the country
The anc is looking after me if I can use laptop and iPad in the bushes of nongoma, the aprtheid cared for its people by stealing from bl.ack tax payers in order to build infrastrcture for only wh.ite ppl , over a period of 350yrs Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dandan - "relly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94"
Who are you comparing the ANC to? Communist Russia? Cuba? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
mjimara
LoMantashe lo and his group should have known when they took power that trying to be modest would not be good for the masses of South Africa. They needed to take Low Road - a radical and unpopular approach to economic transformation but they decided to take the High Road.
The ANC Group has messed up the country.
The current leadership is worse.
BEE has failed.
Equity has not achieved most of the desired ad intended goal. It has been easy for the white males to circumvent the equity and BEE policies. White men use equity to gain access to economic control through their wives and their female business partners. In extreme cases white women and men use their domestic workers - maids and garners - and low ranking employees in their companies to win tenders and so on. There are small tenders which do not require adjudication, white managers in government give them to their Broederbond brothers.
Below all of these - the black men and women in Soweto, KwaMashu, Tembisa, Khayelitsha, Magogoe Tar and Koi Koi, Qunu, Mqanduli, Hillbrow, Sannieshof, etc, starve and nobody cares. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@SOLUTIONS
another interesting story tell us why were you fired form SAA , was it because of EEA thats the reasons you are so angry with anc, sorry dont di.e of hear attack Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
As long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
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I agree with you on most, I have my business and do not want to go into any affiliation with any other business black or white, I have no problem in providing guidance to anyone who wants it but black businesses only came to me to make them stronger but there is nothing in it for me. Why would I want to share. I must also work direct with public or overseas organisations. White businesses did not isolate themselves from government, government had only one thing in mind AA/BEE and white businesses had to do their own thing hence I do not blame them for also keeping their distance. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dandan
another interesting story tell us why were you fired form SAA , was it because of EEA thats the reasons you are so angry with anc, sorry dont di.e of hear attack
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Dude, I was not fired from SAA, the little money I made then I saved to study and went into IT for 11 years. AA made me resign because brotha's and sista's had to get the positions, best move I made, today I sit with my own company and does not have to answer to anyone except myself. Another great story of AA, now I get slammed because my business is white owned, Aaai, the irony. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Solutions
you will do good to note that the world airlines are all in the same trouble. Without government intervention is the airline industry most airlines today would be none existent. Airline industry is necessary but not profitable.
Keeping an entire population ignorant of the present,future and past is not caring. How many white people have suffered as a result Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
You had an iPad and a laptop pre 1994?
Can I borrow your time machine sometime?
Why are you and Solutions so hell bent and determined to try and compare apples with pears? We can't compare the two phases of SA. Firstly, the situation is completely different and secondly, the Nats were better at muzzling the press than the ANC are. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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Dandan
Do you know BJ Vorster, why was he fired
Do you know Dr John Smth , why was he killed, by who , for what good reasons
what did the apartheid of yours did to the people of mokoko, kabokweni,
are you telling us the anc must fix all the problems in one day whereas your apartheid masters took 350 to destroy the country
The anc is looking after me if I can use laptop and iPad in the bushes of nongoma, the aprtheid cared for its people by stealing from bl.ack tax payers in order to build infrastrcture for only wh.ite ppl , over a period of 350yrs
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You obviously missed my whole point which I am not surprised at, anc did their part, they must go now because the country is going back to apartheid, you mentioned freedom of press earlier, what is the anc fighting for. Your problem is the anc is not caring about the people anymore, they did their part, go and read up on history, nowhere has a liberation party showed success. It is time for a change to get competent people in power, else we sit with another apartheid situation, the problem is you are to thick to see this apartheid is between goverment and the people and not race groups. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Decibels
This is exactly what the ANCYL under President Malema has been saying all along that the sunset clause is over and it's time for the sunrise clause....but what did you do??
You blamed them for chasing away 'white'votes'(which in my pricelesss opinion WILL FOREVER BE USELESS as long as they want to retain the status quo), Zuma said we know nothing about the Freedom Charter, you took our Leaders to a DC hearing for adopting radical policies and upsetting big business then you fired them, now you want adopt radical policies so you can remain relevant?....YOU ARE GOING MANTASHE. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
DJWinner
Sowetan can't face the truth. Now you blocked comments under Obama article. Well, it is not news worthy. That is the fact. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@MommaC
the problem you are stupid, and you will remain so, the iPad/laptop suggests I have electricity in Nongoma I can charge it, this stupid brother of yours came with nonsense of saying the anc has no clue to take this country forward, my take was lets look at the transision period, to date
stop being foolish use your brains analytically or shut up Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
As long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
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I agree with you on most, I have my business and do not want to go into any affiliation with any other business black or white, I have no problem in providing guidance to anyone who wants it but black businesses only came to me to make them stronger but there is nothing in it for me. Why would I want to share. I must also work direct with public or overseas organisations. White businesses did not isolate themselves from government, government had only one thing in mind AA/BEE and white businesses had to do their own thing hence I do not blame them for also keeping their distance.
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Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Kakkakakkakakkakakkakakkakakkaka bafana bana ba makgowa ba tleng mona ba mpolaya maan!LOL Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
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Bohlale1
Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!!
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For people like me who owns a company that does business with international people, I see incompetence in your comments, spare them for your 35 year old youth, youth league friends, they might understand it.
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It shows you how ignorant and selfish you will always remain!!!!!!! I dont need to explain myself any further. Mourn about our government incompetency forever and we will one day see you crawling in the streeting begging for food. Do you want to get tenders government or eventually be in power and control again.. Nah it aint gonna work like that, like I have mentioned I dont expect ANC to do anything for me but for my fellow South Africans, black, white etc and those who are not sitting and expecting everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malema will be coming back in due course, and I cant waiting to see the look on your face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......I am telling you the way you are acting right now, you would wish you were never been born in Mzansi!!!!! I dont like him that much but he has his good points sometimes.
Look South Africa is such a nice country, people here are so full of life, we are happy here besides the hick ups that will always be around in every country.. Just loosen up a bid!!!!! go out meet people, make a black friend and transform stop being so uptied. GOD gave you life to live, thats you freedom!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
The past discriminating domestic politics of South Africa piloted by the Apartheid regime waged inequality between the black and white people of the country. This essay addresses the politics of race in a non-democratic state, economic participation and concludes on providing critical analysis of BEE policy advocated in bridging the gap between the previously disadvantage community. The paper evokes the hypothesis by Fanon, making emphasis on the critique by Moeletsi Mbeki on Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) which is seen as a political tool to benefit the “political leaders” of the country. The discussion shall lead into analysis of the BEE programme established by the ANC led government. The paper will engage in the empirical evidence that will provide analysis on the prospect of BEE and its original objective.
...........................so who wnat me to send them my paper! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
you will do good to note that the world airlines are all in the same trouble. Without government intervention is the airline industry most airlines today would be none existent. Airline industry is necessary but not profitable.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAH>, this is the best joke I have ever heard, dude, do you listen to yourself? Please do yourself a favour and go and check how many privately owned airlines is out there, a company that is not in it for profit. Lolololollololololllol, You must think SAA is only there to fly your incompetent president.
Keeping an entire population ignorant of the present,future and past is not caring. How many white people have suffered as a result.
All white people and black people are suffering in SA today due to corruption and incompetence, if money gets lost for incompetence and corruption, do you think they just write it off or must it come from somewhere? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
ProudlyNigerian
Get rid of corruption and nepotism in Government and everything will fall into place.People should read more about Thomas Sankara ,probably Africa's greatest leader ever. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
Wow. Aren't you just a little bag of sunshine this morning? Guess you didn't get your Kellogs.
I am delighted that you have electricity in Nongoma. Hopefully a school nearby also has a roof, toilets, books and a teacher or two. Of course you could look that up on your 1983 iPad and compare it with what was around the area before that. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Decibels - LOL, no, you want to maintain the status quo. You dont want to create businesses. You want to take over someone elses businesses.
Youa and other brainless fellows commenting herein must chill. The ANC did not mess up the country, they just coldn't fix the already messed up country with a constitution that guaranteed property to those who killed and forcefully dispacled the natives to gain land.
I am more happy with the ANC admitting the shortcomings of the ANC led govt in addressing what we identified as problems from our past since 1994. There is this mistaken belief by the the minority the ANC "inherited a functional state in 1994". Yes, there were areas wherein the then govt exelled simply because those who worked or resided there were WHITE. I lived under apartheid and was excluded from studying what Report Abuse
Mr Mantashe sir, yes the ANC made fumbles post 1994 and that which you are saying is a Fact. However, instead of it getting better, (i.e finding its weaknesses, shortcomings and threats) its getting worse (i.e finding solutions to such weaknesses, shortcomings and threats).
Some of the ANC loving people have even stopped defending the ANC because it is making fumbles after fumbles and now one doesn't even know what to say no more - to the benefit of ANC's detractors. Sometimes even when the ANC talks sense it is difficult to hear it because of the comedy of errors it makes that are more than doing that which is good for itself and the South African public.
Humble plea: the ANC should looks itself in the mirror in a very critical eye and corrects itself even if it is to the detriment of certain influencial individuals in the party. That's the only way it will sustain itself. But if the downward spiralling graph and its gradient stays the same, the party ain't gonna stay and that will be a loss for everybody. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tango
Can't wait for 19h30 tonight.
KHOSI 4 LIFE. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Bohlale1
It shows you how ignorant and selfish you will always remain!!!!!!! I dont need to explain myself any further. Mourn about our government incompetency forever and we will one day see you crawling in the streeting begging for food. Do you want to get tenders government or eventually be in power and control again.. Nah it aint gonna work like that, like I have mentioned I dont expect ANC to do anything for me but for my fellow South Africans, black, white etc and those who are not sitting and expecting everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malema will be coming back in due course, and I cant waiting to see the look on your face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......I am telling you the way you are acting right now, you would wish you were never been born in Mzansi!!!!! I dont like him that much but he has his good points sometimes.
Look South Africa is such a nice country, people here are so full of life, we are happy here besides the hick ups that will always be around in every country.. Just loosen up a bid!!!!! go out meet people, make a black friend and transform stop being so uptied. GOD gave you life to live, thats you freedom!!!!
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Dude, you wrote a lot with no contents, I also want good for my fellow South Africans, I am just not so thick to know that the anc is not capable of it, I also do not want tenders from the government, I am doing fine by myself. I also don't want to be in power, I want competent people to be in power, not this filth that you call leaders.
Saying you want the best for South Africans and you mention corrupt fat boy who can't even pay his taxes and garden boy to come back. The mind boggles, another person who calls himself a youth and he is over 30. I don't know if I must cry or laugh at your comment. He can come back, if he wants to chase me out it is fine, I don't care, I have a little nest and will start somewhere else over again. no problem.
I cannot loosen up if people are stealing from me, how stupid must you be, must they first come into your house and take your belongings before you realise they are stealing from you. Will you also tel malema and zuma and cronies, "yes please take my new tv" ? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Tango
Can't wait for 19h30 tonight.
KHOSI 4 LIFE.
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U're lost papa the article is not about 19H30 tonight.tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltl
Sundowns 4-Chiefs 0 tonight's results.
@PT4 - you kind of hit the nail on the head. Gwede's speech smacks of desperation from a failing organisation because of its internal. weaknesses and lack of vision. If the deal done in 1994 was weak then it would have shown up within a few years - not 18 years later. Report Abuse
so you dnt want to argue with me now, tell me why were you fired at SAA again explain to me you know the story of Jhb Airport how the land was acquired , remind us, were you part of that deal Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
The ANC is lucky. It has VERY gullable supporters. It can f*** up as much as it likes and they can just keep on blaming white folks. Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them.
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lol @# SOLUTION Where black included in every deal during the apartheid regime???? We we to start with excluded from getting a better eduation..... And yet you start complaing about our short comings, deal with it... Ei ngwana o maaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
nkotekapeleketatile
Er...What if I told you all that the ANC and all the Opposition parties are controlled by the same ellite???
Bohlale1
lol @# SOLUTION Where black included in every deal during the apartheid regime???? We we to start with excluded from getting a better eduation..... And yet you start complaing about our short comings, deal with it... Ei ngwana o maaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I started my company 2 years ago, so FU and F your government. I was never able to vote pre 1994. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
British airway, American airlines, the list goes on and on! and on... Airline are in trouble wherever you go.
The industry is not as profitable as it used to be but it is necesarry. The aforementioned is a fact and not up for discussion!
I'm afraid some of your responses make you seen pro-apartheid and oblivious to the progress of your fellow africans. Many people blame the government for their current condition, expecting handouts and giving up their right to self-determination and labelling all who exercise this socio-economic right as corrupt.
This is the common trait amongst the illiterate!
p.s. kindly excuse all errors as i'm really busy right now
Dandan
so you dnt want to argue with me now, tell me why were you fired at SAA again explain to me you know the story of Jhb Airport how the land was acquired , remind us, were you part of that deal
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Dude, let me and you get something straight, I was never able to vote pre 94, I am also not happy with what apartheid did, but I am not going to blame everything on apartheid that is happening today because it is for stupid people like you. I was not fired at SAA,, i saved the little money I made to study and go into IT, 11 years into IT and AA policies helped me nothing except a few incompetent people that had friends in the company, I had enough and started my own business, the first one did not work, but I did not go and lie down and cry and demand, I got up dust myself off and am happy with my 2 year old business, I only have to answer to myself now. The irony is that now I and many white people like myself get slammed because our businesses is 100% white owned by idiots like the yl. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
sexyghost
YOU failed bcoz you are incompetent. Finish aad klaar. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Moffdat@yahoo.com // Moffdat@ymail.com
I set them up for your dissertation. it better be good... lol Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
THEmadame2B-BBEE
Conclusion of my paper
“The colonized subject is upgraded, and attempts are made to disarm him psychologically and, naturally with a few coins” (Fanon). The BEE led by political elites is no exception here. In Fanon and Steve Biko’s language, the South African government should talk about economic liberation for the Previously Disadvantaged Individuals. How it should approach this, Fanon would say ‘we need a consistent social structure that serves the human needs of society’. While insisting on a transcending, forward system to BEE with a backward attitude in addressing the issue of race, class and inequality. Would subscribe to the famous isiXhosa maxim ‘what goes out the front door comes in the back window’. The government has to be idealistic when dealing with the prosperity of the policy such at BEE. To conclude the intent is to provide as much information the sort of society South African government is producing and from what class. It is imperative that the government and donors of BEE and other economic policies calculate their priority carefully. They themselves will end up being confused with the unstable situation of the much intended policy, while the promises for a better life become precedent of the past. At this point perhaps the enquiries lead into scepticism. Point is that in wont be long until the South African community witness a revolutionary movement imposed by another black-class segregated scheme. From the very same black people who were at first classless or were upgraded by BEE to their upper position.
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On serious note WHO REALLY WANTS MY PAPER Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
British airway, American airlines, the list goes on and on! and on... Airline are in trouble wherever you go.
The industry is not as profitable as it used to be but it is necesarry. The aforementioned is a fact and not up for discussion!
I'm afraid some of your responses make you seen pro-apartheid and oblivious to the progress of your fellow africans. Many people blame the government for their current condition, expecting handouts and giving up their right to self-determination and labelling all who exercise this socio-economic right as corrupt.
This is the common trait amongst the illiterate!
p.s. kindly excuse all errors as i'm really busy right now
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You are obviously incapable of reading, you must remember it is not only government businesses that ask for bail outs, private companies can do it as well, but that money must come from somewhere, but private owned businesses must pay that money back where your incompetent SAA just sit back at eat our tax money as is your EISHKOM. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@SOLUTIONS
how would you call others incompetent whereas your business crashed , being competent how did it crashed Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them.
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The people shall share is the motto invented by all SA but i'm surprised to notice that we still have people like you Solution who say "to hell " with their hard work with disadvataged community.Lol eish!
KWaaaaaaaaa, Moff, you crack me up, nay it’s not a dissertation, I just write for the fun of it, sure give me a sec, an ANC government agent is consulting with me, I’ll send it through Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Decibels
Sinudeity_
Decibels - LOL, no, you want to maintain the status quo. You dont want to create businesses. You want to take over someone elses businesses.
You will forever be poor.
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A business that sustains itself and its wealth off our indigenous resources and sends the profits abroad is not a business it's a Colonialist looter/EXPLOITER..AS THE MALEMA GENERATION WE SAY NO MORE L.O.OTING!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
sexyghost
MicaParis
You think you are making a point when all you r doing is defending the indefensible.
Listen here boy: you and your incompetent comrades are taking this country down Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
I see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere my advice to you remove this color in your face adress everybody as friend or colleague, you dont have to an.gry with someone in order to get business deals be kind stop being rude, thats what we see with you wh.ite ppl therefater you claim of nepotism,croniesm, etc what makes you difference from bla.ck entrpreneurs is we bla.cks are so calm we network, we respect someone, unlike you who are so arrogant you must learn how to treat an african Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
kamza79
@sinudeity..
i so wish i can see or meet you the unfortunate part of meeting you will be that i will cut your balls with the edge of my hand till vervoer rise from the dead.......ur such a bast**d dats full of racism....nothing you say here goes without skin colours>>>>>>>
i hate a person who will address me as you people or your gorvenment.......you f***en whi.te boy!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
nkotekapeleketatile
@Dandan
how would you call others incompetent whereas your business crashed , being competent how did it crashed
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kikikikiki.....That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard this morning. kikiki....you are funny, very funny! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@sexyghost
MicaParis
You think you are making a point when all you r doing is defending the indefensible.
Listen here boy: you and your incompetent comrades are taking this country down
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was it up when, show us , since all what we know is that the country was left by De Klerk in huge debts Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
When we said we were short-changed\sold down river @ CODESA ,called names!!
Ja neh ? Gwede who was the chief negotiator or political collective ? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Bohlale1
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
You comment not to find a means to an end but your replications are the end in themselves.
I feel it's unfair for citizens to continually hold their government vicariously liable for the evil they expell upon one another.
Well calibrated Intelligent responses are allowed!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
@SOLUTIONS
cannot loosen up if people are stealing from me, how stupid must you be, must they first come into your house and take your belongings before you realise they are stealing from you. Will you also tel malema and zuma and cronies, "yes please take my new tv" ?
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Man, you know that they will never literaly take your tv nor chase you away neh,lol? its just that South Africa has been through a lot from back then and it will take some time before we get back on our feet again....Ok, i just dont want to go into detail because they dont really concern me that much, even the taxes that I am paying I am fine with the little I have and I believe I am blessed but I dont want to own my government or something,, I see us having war in South Africa in the near future for pity things... Its like family fighting over its own food!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Bohlale1
really , they are experts in exprts and imports realtions, where did they learn it alone , I thought Phutuma Nhleko is bla.ck Im shocked has turned to be wh.ite Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Decibels - "A business that sustains itself and its wealth off our indigenous resources and sends the profits abroad is not a business it's a Colonialist looter/EXPLOITER..AS THE MALEMA GENERATION WE SAY NO MORE L.O.OTING!!!"
LOL, but its the ANC and Julius that are the looters. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Intomb'omxhosa
' we've failed to rebuild the economy'
ZuMantashe you've failed everything from shaving the beard to Lonmil Massacre Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dandan
I see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere my advice to you remove this color in your face adress everybody as friend or colleague, you dont have to an.gry with someone in order to get business deals be kind stop being rude, thats what we see with you wh.ite ppl therefater you claim of nepotism,croniesm, etc what makes you difference from bla.ck entrpreneurs is we bla.cks are so calm we network, we respect someone, unlike you who are so arrogant you must learn how to treat an african
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lolololol, you network to steal from each other, this I experienced first hand when I helped a young black person to sustain his business, the elder blacks just made toast of him.One was his own uncle. Why am I angry that your incompetent and thieving bastards of an anc is stealing from the poor people of SA and they are to stupid to see it., I claim nepotism and cronies because the facts are there, it is only idiots like you with blinkers who does not want to see it.
I am involved in a scheme where more than a 1000 kids gets fed daily close to hazyview, Do you know how it breaks my heart to see these kids walking kilometers with wheelbarrows to get water. Here I blame your corrupt anc government and parents who should not have kids when in a poor household. Now what does the gullible do, they register for grants which your incompetent government give out freely, the more children the more money, why don't they do a work for food program which will ensure clean streets and a more productive society rather than a charity state? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
McKena
There were a lot of conserssions made prior the democratic dispansation and it was incumbent of the ANC to make some of these issue a priority then. 18 yrs down the line Mantashe has a nerve to tell people that they have failed. The like of SAKI, TOKYO and RAMAPHOSA new this even before we got democracy and played it to their advantage at the poeple's expence and to add you all knew this too.
Economis freedom still has about 20yrs to see the light of day. This means that even my daughter's generation wont taste such a dispansation unless I ensure that my hand is also on the cookie jar.
I cry for poeple who still live below the bread line which is R6.50 per day. Their lives are doomed for the next 50 yrs which means its about 3 to 4 generations to come.
The ANC failed me and I am sure my vote wont go to waste when the time comes.
They have turned black people into Sales men to get money on commission. We beat each other for one slice of the pie. Now if that is the gorvenance that they wanted for Blacks they got it.
Now they are trying to come up with a strategy that Trevor Manuals cooked up to pull a wool on poeples eyes but its a bit late because poeple mostly the youth are fed up with promised that yield nothing for black people.
Moffdat
You comment not to find a means to an end but your replications are the end in themselves.
I feel it's unfair for citizens to continually hold their government vicariously liable for the evil they expell upon one another.
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Who must I blame if your corrupt government is stealing?
Well calibrated Intelligent responses are allowed!!!
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please provide them and not the dribble you give. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dandan
I see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere
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for this one, I already have international ties, so the day your government f ups this country like zim was f uped with the same mentality, I have a place to go to, don't worry. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Dandan
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Bohlale1
really , they are experts in exprts and imports realtions, where did they learn it alone , I thought Phutuma Nhleko is bla.ck Im shocked has turned to be wh.ite
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Throw another black guys you knw who do better in international trade.
Do you knw how did he reach that level,Phutuma Nhleko,?
Kindly provide some form of elaboration on how you consider RSA and Congo to be in the same basket of rotten apples? I implore you.
@ Moffdat
Well if you want to split hairs, they are both in Africa, both have vast mineral wealth, huge disparities in income, both plagued by poverty etc. The point I was trying to make is that having mineral wealth only, is no guarantee that poverty will be alleviated. You have to manage the resources well to unlock the value. Go read up on the history of the DRC i.e. Pres Mabuto Seseseko a.k.a the “Great plunderer” and see where poor management gets you. Then go and look at a country like Switzerland who has very little mineral wealth, yet has amongst the highest standards of living in the world. Their economy is based on financial services, tourism, watch making, consumer products like chocolat etc. That requires skills and a govt that creates an environment that lets the economy prosper. A Government with vision - not one that merely enriches a small elite.
Your ANC agreed to all the terms and conditions at 1994 because you very much know that it was the only way you and your ANC could bath yourselves in ever lasting wealth.
You milked the system from 1994...............and now that all the money is gone, blacks are poorer, noone is educated...............now you want to us that you have failed???
You knew all along what you were doing, you took a massive loan out at the expense of the black majority to which your loan would be held accountable against white capital.
The quicker the black majority votes you parasites out of government, the better this country will be.
Freedom fighters should have never been allowed to run this country, because we all know, the fighters fought for money and nothing else. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
so do you want to take his achievement away Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Bohlale1
Man, you know that they will never literaly take your tv nor chase you away neh,lol? its just that South Africa has been through a lot from back then and it will take some time before we get back on our feet again....Ok, i just dont want to go into detail because they dont really concern me that much, even the taxes that I am paying I am fine with the little I have and I believe I am blessed but I dont want to own my government or something,, I see us having war in South Africa in the near future for pity things... Its like family fighting over its own food!!!!!
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But it is as good as if they take your tv and keep it for themselves. the taxes they steal and the incompetence creates more poverty, there could be more people who is happy with what they have instead of sitting with nothing. We need a solution to this, the solution is to get someone else in power and show these thugs that they are not irreplaceable, they can be voted back the next time to show them that the people is fed up with poor services. Like I said earlier, and you can go and do research, no liberation party has taken any country forward. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Bohlale1
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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Yes thats why we have to be transparent in everything we do so that they keep us on track!!!! Yazi, these people underestimate the power of a black man....i just hope they will know better if we write every policy ka sesotho, xhosa, zulu, pedi etc, lol.
No does nt say that, you failed to read his statement the point is:
during Mandelas era SA was is huge debts, until T Mbaki revived the economy of this counry, in actual fact there was nothing left by stupid fools in 1994 all left was debt, the money was spent of SADF .
What Mantasha is sayng is we are very slow to distribute the economy equitable, the most urgent thing to be done is to expropriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Bohlale1
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Bohlale1
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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Yes thats why we have to be transparent in everything we do so that they keep us on track!!!! Yazi, these people underestimate the power of a black man....i just hope they will know better if we write every policy ka sesotho, xhosa, zulu, pedi etc, lol.
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Che sesotho,xhosa,zulu,pedi ect mos le rona jwale re tla be re se re ba kwalla ka ntle,se re se hlokang ho bo na ha jwale ke ho ba nyanya tsebo pele.
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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You are the funny one, I keep away from government and black businesses because of payment issues, proven over and over again. Also if I want to do business with government I must give 49% of my business to a black person. WTF is up with that, I started 2 years ago with this business, I work hard to get what I want, giving 49% away, for what. Look at the great quality of rdp houses because of tenders given to cronies and incompetent people, not to black businesses who is qualified for the job. So your government is the reason that growth of black businesses is not so good, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
There wasn't 'huge debts'. There was a forex cash flow crisis but the country didn't owe then as much as it does now. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dandan
@The-Rothschilds
No does nt say that, you failed to read his statement the point is:
during Mandelas era SA was is huge debts, until T Mbaki revived the economy of this counry, in actual fact there was nothing left by stupid fools in 1994 all left was debt, the money was spent of SADF .
What Mantasha is sayng is we are very slow to distribute the economy equitable, the most urgent thing to be done is to expropriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done
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Left with nothing? hahaha I suppose all South Africans drove donkey carts in 1994 and we all took a dump in the nearest river? And we used elephant trails as roads? You are a complete idiot, no offense.
As for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
Your entertainment value has descended lower than your logic and common sense at this point!!!!
At least I have some, you did not have an entertainment value to start with, no logic or common sense, one needs a brain for this. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Here is another one for you dedicated anc people, WOW.
so do you want to take his achievement away.
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Ag! for what good reason,may be the channel he used to get throught will open your eyes to see how difficult it is to relate with whites in economic level and what I know about whites business men they dont give business to black business men where the benefit will be mutual,they always have to top you then you get the their business partnership.
The-Rothschilds
As for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year.
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The best part is they are importing from Zambia, making farmers rich they chased away, these little idiots in SA does not understand the poverty and the amount of people dying of hunger in zim. They think it is all a myth and propaganda by the west.
dandan
opriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done
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The whole time I thought you are an idiot, this just removed all hesitance, yes you are. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
rubish , you are lying, not all bl.ack entrepreneurs are fronting for wh.ite men, there is Maponya are you telling me again is topped by w.hite mcxxxm Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
SOLUTIONS
Should have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
I think that is a very unfair comparison but
I agree with everthing you said and i will go and read up on DRC. All i know about Sesoko is that he was the president when the Rumble in the Jungle happened lol... and some fragmented statements in the aftermath.
I still feel the comparison is very unfair.
Research shows us that a corrupt government doesn't lead to poverty. The last poll i read put RSA in the top 100 corrupt countries on earth. I think we were 46th or something along with the USA, RUSSIA, BRAZIL, CUBA COLOMBIA etc top of the list was Nigeria and look at the gains they've made lately.
I find what people consider to be corrupt depends on what is 'contra bona mores'.
MommaC
Should have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
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Aggggg thanks Mommac, this now makes everything clear, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
MommaC
SOLUTIONS
Should have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
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You man a land dweller...........a farmers actually produces something. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dandan must move the Zimbabwe and go work the land his was given, so Zimbabwe can stop wasting its diamond proceeds on maize imports. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
didnt i tell you this yesterday, black were short exchanged in hope that there will be reconcilliation,the truth is you will never reconcile with people with so much loot in their hands cos their main concern was how to protect what was clearly unfairly gained.this nonsens** CODESA must be renegotiated or this is moving closer to the brink of civil war Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
The-Rothschilds
Shame man, don't mock his two cows and 4 chickens. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
All_Truth
hehehe, now speaking like Malema. they chased him away and stole his ideas. they are now comming to terms with reality, coz that is what the boy was saying all along. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
rubish , you are lying, not all bl.ack entrepreneurs are fronting for wh.ite men, there is Maponya are you telling me again is topped by w.hite mcxxxm
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I like when u say not all but most neh? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
McLoving
Because it's Gwede Mathata saying it now people believe that ANC has failed us.How many times I got chewed and spat like a tasteless chappies when I said ANC govt has failed us.How many time I have said it and people tell McLoving to get lost and bugger off.Bo McLoving have insight ,they understand what's going on in life ,they don't act on emotions likes some kinda flops on this forum.We are the bravehearts rona bo McLoving ..ons val van die sesde vloer dan kry ons nie seer nie. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Sinudeity_
didnt i tell you this yesterday, black were short exchanged in hope that there will be reconcilliation,the truth is you will never reconcile with people with so much loot in their hands cos their main concern was how to protect what was clearly unfairly gained.this nonsens** CODESA must be renegotiated or this country is moving closer to the brink of civil war
i cant leave u Roth Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
MommaC
Dandan
There wasn't 'huge debts'. There was a forex cash flow crisis but the country didn't owe then as much as it does now.
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the country is nt owing , only Eskom owing IMF, the access fund we have has been given to Greece $2b , ok, first thing evr happened in SA
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@The-Rothschilds
As for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year.
I knew this moron like yourself will fail, when did you last read Fin Mail, and Economist magazines, you will be ashamed of your foolishness about Zim, go to CNA and check any magazines talks about Zim farmers, blutty fool stop embarrasing yourself
SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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You are the funny one, I keep away from government and black businesses because of payment issues, proven over and over again. Also if I want to do business with government I must give 49% of my business to a black person. WTF is up with that, I started 2 years ago with this business, I work hard to get what I want, giving 49% away, for what. Look at the great quality of rdp houses because of tenders given to cronies and incompetent people, not to black businesses who is qualified for the job. So your government is the reason that growth of black businesses is not so good,
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Dont drag RDPs into this man.lol Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditshep
Andre Crous of Khanyi Mbau is also topped by blacks cause is anc member, there are many Gastus savoi etc Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
McLoving
lolest.
eish my chomi go thla loka Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Budapat
Bigup Gwede, it only makes sense to admit in public and seek advice china, one thing you and your comrades need to deal drastically with is to separate party political matters from government. The fact an opposition is opposition doesn't mean any opinion or move made in parliament by any opposition is COUNTER REVOLUTION, we need each other to move forward. Now that BOEREMAG have been dealt a blow it's time we take opposition parties seriously and consider unity amongst south africans, lastly - DO LOOK INTO THE RESERVE BANK, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THE RESERVE BANK OF THE RSA INDEPENDENT and still have the economy of the RSA monopolised. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Dont drag RDPs into this man.lol
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Well there is many others. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
Huh???
Can't understand what you are saying
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
Now according to the Reserve Bank of South Africa
R118 billion is the foreign debt as at March 2012
The 2bn that went to the IMF was reserves. It is also just a loan. That money couldn't be used by the country anyhow as it is part of the guarantees that are held in our name - it doesn't affect the guarantees and it doesn't affect our economy but it does shore up good will. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
I challenge EVERYONE here, who wants the white folks to 'share their w3alth', to take the first step. I challenge Julius, Kulubase, Zuma, Winnie, Cyril, Tokyo, Dandan, Bohlale1 and Moffdat to distribute their w3alth to the poor.
Come on dudes, put your money where your mouth is. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
look Mandela is celebrated today cos he persued reconciliation with vigour and passion even when Chris Hani was massasinated and you call that window dressing?
What has that white capital done for this new dispensation ,they continue to have preference on whites in terms of promotion and senior position even where blacks are more experienced than whites
The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Bohlale - "IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!"
Whatever, the elections are closing in. The ANC always apologised, and fesses up to its mistakes before elections. They will also make promises. That they will 'improve'.
Look at JZ promising before the last elections, he will 'clamp down on corruption'.
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
look Mandela is celebrated today cos he persued reconciliation with vigour and passion even when Chris Hani was massasinated and you call that window dressing?
What has that white capital done for this new dispensation ,they continue to have preference on whites in terms of promotion and senior position even where blacks are more experienced than whites
The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion
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Mandela was one man who many black people now believe sold out the black majority
Reconciliation was window dressing for the ANC for them to exploit wealth & tax payers money to the highest degree.
In a country with a supposed highest inequality in the world we have a president who spends R100 million a year, lets not even include all the others.
They (ANC) have kept the black majority stupid and unless with failed education and continuation of poverty in some hopeless belief that their lives will change as long as they continue to vote ANC.
If white people were uneducated, penniless parasites, the ANC would of chased them to the sea in 1994. This was all about money, this is why they fought for 100 years, so Zuma could spend R100 million a year.
Bohlale1
IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!
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yes man even during the strugle we had people like who had completely lost self respect and pride,so i dont blame you its apartheid effect this country has a long way to go ,we first have to baby sit people like you and deal with resistance from whites to transform,and believe you are such a burden but wil we walk with may be your eyes will open up Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
McLoving
Since Zuma became the president,the only best dreams I have ever had are the dreams in which I'm dying.
Sometimes I have dreams making love to Brenda Fassie....ja nhe! ANC e tla go losira masepafontein net. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Chabella
every few years the ANC admits is has failed, blaming Verwoerd, Mbeki and very soon Zuma, Every election new promises are made, that is never met. Every election, SA fall for the "this time is will be better, the new leader will make the difference". Lets not do that again, the ANC failure is not soley becaue of a single man/leader, the ANC failure is beacuase they
a) rotten to the core with corruption. Form the highest leader, to the deployed municpal mayor
b) divided and controlled by the tri-party alliance. They dont know if they are communists, a tarde union, a revelotianary party or democrats.
no leader is going to change that.
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
what does that tell you blutty fool, it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Bohlale1
I can appreciate an optomist there are so few these days. Good to know that i am not the only person who still respects these guys. People blame them for the craziest things. They blame them for whta happened in marikani, they blame them for crime, rapes etc etc etc. However none of them commit these crimes.
The-Rothschilds
please talk to me dont be so emotinal i dont see facts here ,please i am waiting you seem to be burying your head in the sand ,we gigantic problems here and they need me and you for even if dont wana solve them in the best interest of the future of this country we are all doomed Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Dandan
.... actually most of it was for setting up Sasol and building the highway system.
Oh, and the government has underwritten the Eishkom loan so it isn't included in that amount. Don't know where this new nuclear plant is - could you point us to it's location so we can go admire it? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
McLoving
Since Zuma became the president,the only best dreams I have ever had are the dreams in which I'm dying.
Sometimes I have dreams making love to Brenda Fassie....ja nhe! ANC e tla go losira masepafontein net.
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nyaope is taking a toll on your mind seriouly,respect the late Brenda,where is Africaness in what you are saying,are you halucinating? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Chabella
I agree. Until they get a massive wakeup call, it is just a case of hot air Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
please talk to me dont be so emotinal i dont see facts here ,please i am waiting you seem to be burying your head in the sand ,we gigantic problems here and they need me and you for even if dont wana solve them in the best interest of the future of this country we are all doomed
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Our countries problems lie with government.
No economic system can work unless the political system running it is 100% efficient.
Capitalism, socialism and communism are all doomed to fail if government is a failure. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dandan
MommaC
Dandan
Huh???
Can't understand what you are saying
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
what does that tell you blutty fool, it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot
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Eskom was a company created during the apartheid era...............and the infrastructure that is our power grid was also created during apartheid.
izit me or are white people critisizing any move the ANC makes? I for one am not hearing any "solutions" coming from our former rullrz ! yes we are all aware there are problems within the rulling party, stop critisizing and provide solutions, this country is divided enough as it is ! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion"
THE TRUTH, the ANC is fooling you, and everyone else when they say they have the goodwill of the country on their minds. Or when they say they care about the poor.
You can keep on blaming the white man all you like dude :P
But until you actually do introspection, realise that the problem is with you...
Then you can address the real problem and move forward. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
McLoving
@Nyongoyamavenda
You'll have those bad dreams one day and you 'll remember the day you cursed me.These are bad man ,,,bad dreams ..Your ANC is bad man..anyway have a good day I'm going to the sis dolly's sex article Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dandan - "it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot"
LOL, what about the chunks of money in the SANDF secret fund thats been dissapearing for 16 years now? How much was that? R10 billion?
What about the armsdeal dude? You do know that ALL THREE of the submarines we bought are not working at the moment right?
The one after some brightspark ANC cadet plugged the wrong voltage cable into the sub, taking out ALL of its systems. The other one was when one of your buddies crashed the sub against the bottom of the ocean :P
As for the ANC building insfrastructure... where are these supposed nuclear reactors? You know that the ANC hasnt built a new powerplant since 1994 right? At the moment you are still using the same powerplants as supplied and built by the apartheid government. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
JIGSAWPUZZEL
MICAPARIS
Allutta My Chief!!
Some people claim to understand the ANC and South African politics!
I respect your knowledge on ANC politics my Chief, push very hard at Branch level, we need your understanding in our ANC. We are tired of ''milk teeth'' ''comrades come children'' in the ANCYL who claim to be 'cadres' after being born from spongy cheap ''hi-school and campus '' politics! A comrade come from branches not University or high school!
You are a very rare blogger who make sense about the ANC, is either you are brilliant or one of your relative is within us in the chambers, but your knowledge about ANC is very good and true!!
Keep it up Comrade, push Branch politics we need you in our ANC!
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your analysis of the current ANC politics is quiet enlightening and i must add that i am of a similar opinion particularly referring to dangers that are currently facing our beloved organization however i do not agree with your when you want do demean the contributions made by comrades in our institutions of higher learning and further making a judgement on who is more of a cadre and the place of operation being the determining factor for that matter.
PYA structures in our tertiary institutions have gone to produce most effective comrades within the ranks of the ANC and i in my opinion this country would have been much better governed if most of our comrades that graduate from these institutions are given an opportunity to be deployed and impart what they have learned rather than have these uneducated comrades that know no difference between a resolutions,caucus and policy.
I must say we do need radical policy change and YOUNG PEOPLE MUST GO TO SCHOOL. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
sexyghost
Bohlale please man. You can do better than this. Stop playing the race card and state facts. I heared most people claiming that SA is better than the rest of Africa. Unfortunately with the rate that things go, i bet we will be worst than all. Ask Zimbabwe, they will tell you that they used to be the best.
Please man this blind loyalty is killing our country. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
NwanaPhiri - We give solutions every single day. But somehow the ANC knows better. What about the youth wage subsidy? The ANC agrees with the plan as well.
But of course, jacob is too scared to lose his alliance partners, so he's doing nothing about it.
LOL, its quite sad, when progress has to be halted, because the ANC dont wanna p1ss off their alliance members. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Dandan
KatakataEmaotoAditshep
Andre Crous of Khanyi Mbau is also topped by blacks cause is anc member, there are many Gastus savoi etc.
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He's joint anc since his wealth was starting to rot and was after tenders as well.
" party had failed to negotiate a better deal "
The question I have is what have you done with the part you negotiated for yourself?
We are not fools to think you where left cap in hand next to the road. We know that what you have done is steal, lie and cheat us of our share!
@NwanaPhirir "I for one am not hearing any "solutions"
You are my friend, the white voter understands how democracy works, you vote for someone else when your party steals from you. The white voter cannot however do this as they are minority so it is up to the rest of us to make this decision.
Sinudeity_
Dandan - "it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot"
LOL, what about the chunks of money in the SANDF secret fund thats been dissapearing for 16 years now? How much was that? R10 billion?
What about the armsdeal dude? You do know that ALL THREE of the submarines we bought are not working at the moment right?
The one after some brightspark ANC cadet plugged the wrong voltage cable into the sub, taking out ALL of its systems. The other one was when one of your buddies crashed the sub against the bottom of the ocean :P
As for the ANC building insfrastructure... where are these supposed nuclear reactors? You know that the ANC hasnt built a new powerplant since 1994 right? At the moment you are still using the same powerplants as supplied and built by the apartheid government.
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how many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SVR
@Nyongoyamavenda
"how many houses has anc built"
Not enough, not good enough!
I agree with Mantashe apartheid regime ruined our economy and rebuilding something that was destroyed by decades of mismanagement is not an easy task i am sure that anc is up to the challenge Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavenda
how many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame
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Zuma spend R100 million a year........doesnt seem the ANC quite knows the magnitude of our problems.
Nyongoyamavenda - "how many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame"
The irony is that the low cost housing that the apartheid government built, is still standing today. As for the ANC housing, not so much. How many billions did Tokyo have to cough up to have them fixed?
You do know that the DA built more housing in the WCape in 1 year, than what the ANC could build in 3 years right? Report Abuse
hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
sexyghost
Dandan....ANC did not fight for us but we all contributed in the struggle for our liberation. Some of them were in jails and others in exile. Maybe you are 1 of those who were selling out you only see the importance of ANC now cause you are directly benefitting somehow. Save us from your blind loyalty and keep on praising incompetency Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
sexyghost
Thank you.
I am so sick of this propaganda where the ANC single handedly 'saved' us from apartheid. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_
hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa.
That true,u whites are the strongest in economy and u used black community to built the best infrastructure in Africa so ur pockets can grow biger and biger whilst your slaves get nothing after all except R3000 a month to keep them breathing.
Reading comments about ET's murder, to see that so many people condone murder where ET is concerned just shows how obsessed & disturbing a faction of South Africa's population is on this Black VS White mentality.
It is time that SA have two party state, I urge all the opposition parties to unite, The ANC government has failed the nation. The Health system is dead, Education sytem is dying, They are taking lives of South Africans very cheap...Can a minister stay in those shacks that they build for our fellow South Africans.
A ke gane "mmetla shapo la tlala o betla a lebile gabo, kgokgomothi ge a betla o betlela go ja" but that is too much. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
The-Rothschilds
It will take a long time to get over that. We had the 'white vs black' as a sanctioned, legal system until relatively recently. It is sad but it won't go away for another generation or so. Report Abuse
@sexyghost
Dandan....ANC did not fight for us but we all contributed in the struggle for our libe..............."
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damn contributed by what kil.ling people in soweto , unfortunately I was nt yet born Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
jnrb
@ Moffdat
How can you say that corruption doesn’t lead to poverty? What research? Take a simple example. The Govt can pay a traffic cop R100,000 p.a to make the roads safer for all of us or it can use that money to provide 2 bursaries for students wishing to become doctors (and later tax paying citizens). However Govt chooses rather to pay the traffic cop but he is corrupt and will also pocket a R100 bribe every time
he stops someone for a traffic offence. Hence the roads doesn’t become any safer and people drive around drunk leading to accidents and deaths. All offenders do is simply pay a R100 bribe when pulled over by the traffic cop. Surely the Govt would get far more value for its money to rather give the bursaries so that one day 2 doctors will serve their fellow citizens and pay tax which in turn will develop the country than
pay the money to such a useless corrupt traffic cop! How can you say corruption doesn’t lead to poverty? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
jnrb
How can you say that corruption doesn’t lead to poverty? What research? Take a simple example. The Govt can pay a traffic cop R100,000 p.a to make the roads safer for all of us or it can use that money to provide 2 bursaries for students wishing to become doctors (and later tax paying citizens). However Govt chooses rather to pay the traffic cop but he is corrupt and will also pocket a R100 bribe every time
he stops someone for a traffic offence. Hence the roads doesn’t become any safer and people drive around drunk leading to accidents and deaths. All offenders do is simply pay a R100 bribe when pulled over by the traffic cop. Surely the Govt would get far more value for its money to rather give the bursaries so that one day 2 doctors will serve their fellow citizens and pay tax which in turn will develop the country than
pay the money to such a useless corrupt traffic cop! How can you say corruption doesn’t lead to poverty?
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There are too many loopholes in your argument but i will not concerntrate on that because i understand what you were trying to say even if you didn't properly articulate yourself.
I was refering ro research conducted where the world's top 100 corrupt nations were listed. I believe i mentioned that and if you look at most of the countries on the list you'll find thatthey are not living in abject poverty.
Would it matter to you?
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I believe that people in glass houses should not throw stones.
So i would like to know what you were doing when people where laying down their lives for the pleasures you so ignorantly enjoy today?? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
koisan
Mr secretary general Id like to believe you were quiet aware of this for a while now, am keen to find how would you tattle a way forward(you have taken the first step of admitting )that's great. Am also curious to find out of how many of your colleagues have taken the first step like you did. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - Asking an everyday white South African what they did during apartheid, and that they are responsible, is like asking an ANC supporter what he did about the corruption, and why he stole. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Moffdat
I don't really see how it would be a 'glass house'?
According to some, I was a member of a 'useless support group' but I thought I was helping. Don't know that my UDF contributions made much difference but I'm hoping that helped a bit too Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
lebseb
kamza79
@sinudeity..
i so wish i can see or meet you the unfortunate part of meeting you will be that i will cut your balls with the edge of my hand till vervoer rise from the dead.......ur such a bast**d dats full of racism....nothing you say here goes without skin colours>>>>>>>
i hate a person who will address me as you people or your gorvenment.......you f***en whi.te boy!!!!
LOL,EI WA MPOLAYA I CANT STOP LAUGHING, THAT MAN IS A PAIN IN THE ASS Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Bohlale1
Sinudeity_
Bohlale - "IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!"
Whatever, the elections are closing in. The ANC always apologised, and fesses up to its mistakes before elections. They will also make promises. That they will 'improve'.
Look at JZ promising before the last elections, he will 'clamp down on corruption'
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The is nothing that you want but you piece of a cake.... I said deal with the fact that a black man is in power, if you cant continue mourning then, will catch you later!!!!!
@@Moffdat- you so damn rite yazi mfetho!!!! Sure mzala!!!!
AMANDLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Awe do, so theres nothing you can to about it @Sinudeity_
The ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
MommaC
Its always a black VS white issue.
Reading comments about ET's murder, to see that so many people condone murder where ET is concerned just shows how obsessed & disturbing a faction of South Africa's population is on this Black VS White mentality
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attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
MommaC
Sinudeity_
I didn't realise how racist the average white person was until i started talking to you mesono!!!
Know i'm going to fu@k the sh!t out of my TUKS girlfriend... You are probably asking the relevance of what i just said. She's white... Your racism has made me angry!!! MommaC maybe she's your daugther for all i know or may she's sinudeity's sister regardless i'll be silently smiling while she twitches away after i'm done. I really thought her and i had a chance but then i realise the id!ots of the world never end and they're all wh!te from the looks of things.
Accept for you MommaC *shouts* you aren't an idi@t. I'm a lot of things but i'm not a liar!! You are what i call ignorant by association Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
hiddengold
@Sinudeity_
hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa.
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Please do not show your racist tendencies go to the township and look for your so-called infrastructure Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis"
ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Moffdat
Pardon?
What on earth was that little rush of blood to the head about? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
hiddengold - "Please do not show your racist tendencies go to the township and look for your so-called infrastructure"
You mean, go to the townships and look for the so-called ANC infrastructure. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Ngiyaphapha
Sinudeity_
ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa.
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We shall continue to chain the white man accountable for all the atrocities he has caused is SA including the assassination of Chriss Hani Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis"
ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa.
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you seem to want us to believe that apertheid was brougth by aliens voted in by the same species which vanished to space in 1994 Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandan
@Mujiri
The ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
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for sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Mujiri
The ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
Thank you, but people have blinkers and will not see that. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Ngiyaphapha
The ANC has not failed to rebuild the economy, correction there Mr Mantashe. The ANC is still in the first transition(2nd phase that is).... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Ngiyaphapha - "We shall continue to chain the white man accountable for all the atrocities he has caused is SA including the assassination of Chriss Hani"
The dude who k1lled Chris hani is in prison duuumb@ss. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Ngiyaphapha - "The ANC has not failed to rebuild the economy, correction there Mr Mantashe. The ANC is still in the first transition(2nd phase that is)"
ROFLOL!!!
Now THAT is the lamest excuse Ive ever heard. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Dandan
for sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms
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HAHHAHAHAHAH, all his farms yes, people dying of hunger and the farms given to the top dogs of the zanu-pf, go and read in the zim newspapers the fight there is now about people getting upset about this, there is 150 farmers who is now forced off their land to make space for one of the cronies. What will happen, more deaths due to starvation.
Why don't you f*&k back to zimbabwe if it is so cool there. Ignorant idiot. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
MommaC
Moffdat
Pardon?
What on earth was that little rush of blood to the head about?
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I apologise. Please forgive me i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Dandan - "for sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms"
Successfully? 95% unemployment, over a million Zim refugees in South Africa...
Hehe, your barometer for 'success' is a bit f***ed up. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
The ANC is a struggle party , struggle between leaders, struggle to deliver, struggle with partners,struggle with its own organs, struggle with press, struggle with integrity, struggle with reality, struggling with the people, struggling to survive, struggling with corruption, struggling with irregularities, struggling with paintings, struggling with economy;
Sinudeity_
all you care is white this and that you never admit to the attrocities the government they were voting for commited and that all the problems we have today are directly linked to their past actions Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating."
You only figured that out now?
Thats the problem with most black South Africans. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
you seem to want us to believe that apertheid was brougth by aliens voted in by the same species which vanished to space in 1994
for once be a man and admit the truth Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating."
You only figured that out now?
Thats the problem with most black South African
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that the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "all you care is white this and that you never admit to the attrocities the government they were voting for commited and that all the problems we have today are directly linked to their past actions"
Hehehe, its only ANC fanboys that call people who oppose their views 'racist' or 'coc0nuts'.
Urg, and Ive pointed out countless times on the evils of apartheid. What you are doing now, is FAILING in your argument, so you pull out the race card.
Nyongoyamavenda
that the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded
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says the one who still has a knot in his panties because of apartheid. Get over it, it was, we must look towards a better future so that black and white can make this country beautiful. Looking at the past did not help the boers when the english was here, the Jews or the Japanese, they got up, dusted off and worked.
Sinudeity_
i am not pulling a race you always potray whites as saints and genius but you forget that where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
that the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded
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says the one who still has a knot in his panties because of apartheid. Get over it, it was, we must look towards a better future so that black and white can make this country beautiful. Looking at the past did not help the boers when the english was here, the Jews or the Japanese, they got up, dusted off and worked
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yes but the problem is whites control 90% of the economy and they stalling and frustrating every effort to to bridge the aprtheid gap Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Yeah, you are pulling a race card dude :P
Too ignorant to see it?
"where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created"
Fine, so put the white people in power of government and let them fix the problems. Until then, ANC government. ANC government f***ups and failures. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
someone can type struggle wow. you deserve a cookie! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Moffdat
So what does that have to do with being crude and swearing at me? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Yeah, you are pulling a race card dude :P
Too ignorant to see it?
"where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created"
Fine, so put the white people in power of government and let them fix the problems. Until then, ANC government. ANC government f***ups and failures
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excatly what i am talking about ,if its not a white government then it must fail very bad and arrogant attitude. you must accept that blacks are majority in this country and that whites oppressed us for more 100 years so ,white government? not in my life time Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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Moffgat
someone can type struggle wow. you deserve a cookie!
Nyongoyamavenda - "you must accept that blacks are majority in this country and that whites oppressed us for more 100 years so ,white government? not in my life time"
Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID.
Take some responsibility for yourself my man. You are like a child that hasnt grown up yet, always trying to blame someone else for when you broke the vase. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
MommaC - Excuse moffat. He's still a youth. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
MommaC - Excuse moffat. He's still a youth. and 25 + years old. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
MommaC
Moffdat
So what does that have to do with being crude and swearing at me?
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I'm sorry. Do you forgive me *bats
I still don't understand why you always stand with these id!ot everytime they start being condescending Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID.
Take some responsibility for yourself my man. You are like a child that hasnt grown up yet, always trying to blame someone else for when you broke the vase
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tell me if i am lying ,cos what i am stating here are glaring truths,its not about blaming whites but i wil never shy away from from because it an inconivinienc,yuo want me to be an apoligist and lier like you.Whites excuted apartheid for years and when they realised they got everything ,they went to CODESA to negotiate for the protection of their loot and the anc was blinded Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "everytime they start being condescending"
Ahaah!!! What is this guy on? Pot? I do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth!!! I think he is certainly high on something!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID
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you realize now that apartheid was stupid,have you ever sat down with your father or uncle ask ,what is that drove them so mad that they adopted NAZI policies Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
If you look up, you'll find god staring at a piece of sh!t.
Nyongoyamavenda - "have you ever sat down with your father or uncle ask ,what is that drove them so mad that they adopted NAZI policies"
Well, my granddad on my moms side, was a major in the SADF, he passed away 1995, never got to ask him. My dad supported the DP, and so did my mom. So they dont know.
But then again, let me ask you this...
What drove you so mad that you vote ANC? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Moffdat
I'm not standing 'with' anyone or against anyone.
Apology accepted but with reservations - you seem to be a bit volatile at the moment Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
MommaC
Moffdat
I'm not standing 'with' anyone or against anyone.
Apology accepted but with reservations - you seem to be a bit volatile at the moment
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Thank you for accepting my apology and i hope you know i don't mean all the bad things i say to you? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Moffdat - don't apologise just stay black as you are !!
What drove you so mad that you vote ANC?
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it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom,mandela stayed 10 years in jail,Zuma 10,Mbeki 10 for my freedom,anc ended aparteheid laws,forgave whites on atrocities they commited against blacks,brought democracy for the fist in south africa
and many more Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sugaar
@Sinudeity_
Thump up. Black people are narrow minded and Self-centred .we are sick and tired of putting all the blame to the fomer gvnment. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
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Tasto
@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!
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Inferiority complex at its best. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Mopedikannete
its about time to change our leadership. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - "don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!"
What kind of logic is this?
You know whats difficult to come by? A black dude that benefitted from BEE.
Because they are all connected cadres.
The w3alth that white folks shared, went to three people, who became instant billionares. Tokyo, Cyril and Motsepe. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@SOLUTIONS - self-reliance&black man you on your own - u throw that lame superioty-inferioty complex fcukn h.onkey !!
Tasto
@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!
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I like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
I like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that?
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One must send you to another country, because other people want a better South Africa and uses their votes and spare time for this. You just vote the criminal organisation back in with every chance you get. You help the suffering of other people,
Nyongoyamavenda - "it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom"
And the NP government faught hard to free South Africa from the British. Did that make apartheid right?
If not, if the ANC government faught hard for your freedom, does that make their incompetence and corruption right? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Tasto
@Moffdat - don't apologise just stay black as you are !!
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the person i'm apologizing to is really good she is just brainwashed by pale faced propaganda.
These other bab00ns are just collateral damage Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
Finally the ANC admits to their incompetence. When are the voters going to learn that they are the creators of this mess. Year after year they elect the same corrupt party. There are other parties with good policies to vote for and until there is proper competition against the ANC party, nothing will change, as they have a guaranteed win. Before every election they promise something pretty and sparkling and the crowds chant VIVA VIVA and not before long things will go further down the drain. This mess was not created by the whites only. This mess was created by the corrupt ANC. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails"
No dude, its because the ANC is incompetent and corrupt that I want to see them fall.
Look at the education system. Look at healthcare. You know that we are now of the most uneducated countries in Africa right? The average life expectency of South Africans dropped by about 10 years since the end of apartheid.
Then we look at WCape, highest healthcare rates in the country, highest education rate in the country. Lowest unemployent rate in the country...
Do you notice the pattern here? Its not the ANC that is running that province...
Then we look at Limpopo, Mpumalanga, ECape... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Dandalo
You can't change with the likes of Phosa among you, that guy is a snake and a sell out. Report Abuse
Awaiting your comments on that article chiefs. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Nyongoyamavenda,
@Moffdat - yes u can't paint them with the same brush but most of these DevolvedApatheid(DA) double agents here nid to get the truth.No amount of propaganda even this whitemen's st.ooge called Ediotor who remove my prevouis post for saying "One se.tt One bouquet of flowers" !!
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom"
And the NP government faught hard to free South Africa from the British. Did that make apartheid right?
If not, if the ANC government faught hard for your freedom, does that make their incompetence and corruption right?
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It is spelt fought in case you were never told. Please no thanks necessary.
This is a testament to your great intelligence. You white south african get thought two languages max but you still can't get it right. I speak seven languages fluently and can hear 10. The average south african can speak about four. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - It is spelt 'taught' and not 'thought '.
This is a testament to your great intelligence. LOL Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Nyongoyamavenda
the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails
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It does not have anything with the whites and blacks racism past to do any more. All people just wants success for the country and no-one is making the ANC fail. They are dong it all by themselves. Stop living in the past and start creating a proper future. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Sinu
Nyongoyamavenda /Moffdat - http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/sexwale-shocked-by-money-mess-in-free-state
Awaiting your comments on that article chiefs.
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*malema voice*
We are not going to stand here and be told what to do by the likes of you. You can read on your own, have a conversation with yourself and comment on your previous statement. You are tjatjarag
Bl00dy agent!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Poppitlove
eish you are missing the whole point man,whites are stalling by continuing to prefer whites in terms of promotion,whites companies are refusing to transform,and they want us to believe that these problems were creat by anc, so please before you jump in have facts man Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - LOL, ok english professor.
For your information, I understand 11 different languages. 4 of them are spoken languages, and the other 7 are computer languages. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_
Awaiting your comments on that article chiefs.
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corruption is corruption let the law take its course,just Tkyo is not playing politics Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
It has got nothing to do with whites stalling or companies stalling, by law they cannot do that. It as got to do with filling positions with capable people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "so please before you jump in have facts man"
LOL, 'the facts'.
Gwede states the facts for you, ANC is incompetent. And tokyo on the other article about FS states the facts for you, ANC is corrupt. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - Hehehe, just 'tokyo playing politics'.
So you are living in denial my bru :P
R500 million missing is not just politics my man. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
RobinH
No sh!t Gwede. Really. Who would have thought?
Morena. Hallucinations can be fun, hey........ Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
I like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that?
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One must send you to another country, because other people want a better South Africa and uses their votes and spare time for this. You just vote the criminal organisation back in with every chance you get. You help the suffering of other people,
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails"
No dude, its because the ANC is incompetent and corrupt that I want to see them fall.
Look at the education system. Look at healthcare. You know that we are now of the most uneducated countries in Africa right? The average life expectency of South Africans dropped by about 10 years since the end of apartheid.
Then we look at WCape, highest healthcare rates in the country, highest education rate in the country. Lowest unemployent rate in the country...
Do you notice the pattern here? Its not the ANC that is running that province...
Then we look at Limpopo, Mpumalanga, ECape
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that is the problem with you ,your self rightous is deceiving and blinding you, Is WC a heaven now? It has the highest protest in the country,most hostile to black professiona and they are leaving in droves,Drug capital,children are murdured and raped eveyday now please dont deny these
KZN has far lees protest than WC,more passed auditor general review tha WC,whiel it is vast rural but it better health care as well so its not only DA
Iask you this yesterday why white matriculants get jobs whille blacks dont, it is because of th attitude of the white after so many years of oppressing us they are coming to the table but are standing on the way Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity_
solutions
Poppitlove
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
maybe you all should make a list of what you want for this country and go compare it to all the parties. You will find that the ANC is not the only answer. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Poppitlove
It has got nothing to do with whites stalling or companies stalling, by law they cannot do that. It as got to do with filling positions with capable people
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youjust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
that is the problem with you ,your self rightous is deceiving and blinding you, Is WC a heaven now? It has the highest protest in the country,most hostile to black professiona and they are leaving in droves,Drug capital,children are murdured and raped eveyday now please dont deny these
KZN has far lees protest than WC,more passed auditor general review tha WC,whiel it is vast rural but it better health care as well so its not only DA
Iask you this yesterday why white matriculants get jobs whille blacks dont, it is because of th attitude of the white after so many years of oppressing us they are coming to the table but are standing on the way
I hate it when you nicampoop anc sheep try to move the blame, the WC has the highest protests yes, in the anc ward areas because the ward members does not talk to their people, the anc is quick to say WC has the most protests, Why? because the anc people see how well the DA wards are doing and getting upset.
So move out and given new leadership a chance!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
The excuses, blame shifting, lack of accountability and pure arrogance of all our politicians is just mind blowing.
DA won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming the ANC, ANC won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming apartheid, nobody wants to take responsibility for the ridiculous promises made before elections and the people of SA are dissolving into anarchy. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Moffdat
@Nyongoyamavenda - remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994 they won't change they are ttrying their best to capitilise on the mistake of few and paint ALL Black ppl as lazy and good for nothing including this "mantshingilana" called ediotor who keeps removing\blocking the truth!!
Politicians got big mouths only to make promises they're not gonna fulfil,development takes an action not too much talks then they go straight to their fancy offices to put their @ss down. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
youjust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race
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I had to start my own business because of AA and BEE crap, why don't they do the same, sitting in a position because others get promoted because of skin colour is unfair, does not matter which way. If you don't like it, get off your a.ss and do your own thing. I am sick to hear that most companies are owned by whites, but they were forced out of the work place because of AA and BEE while the black brothers expect companies should be given to them. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
The ANC is a struggle party , struggle between leaders, struggle to deliver, struggle with partners,struggle with its own organs, struggle with press, struggle with integrity, struggle with reality, struggling with the people, struggling to survive, struggling with corruption, struggling with irregularities, struggling with paintings, struggling with economy;
Tasto - "remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994"
LOL, no were not.
And yeah, the "Fight back" campaign was to prevent Zuma from becoming president. If only the people listened. It was Julius that then twisted it into the 'Fight black" campaign.
The funny thing is, he is now "Fighting black" himself :P Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Tasto
@Moffdat
@Nyongoyamavenda - remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994 they won't change they are ttrying their best to capitilise on the mistake of few and paint ALL Black ppl as lazy and good for nothing including this "mantshingilana" called ediotor who keeps removing\blocking the truth!!
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that one is true they want appear saints now and its us who are devils but never implemented any hatred** based on race ,its their apartheid past and is giving us problems which now they are distancing themselves from them
The editor is Mkhabela the guy is not up to scratch soweta standard has dropped drastically since he took over i dont where he is coming from i am sure he is a DA member,he stand to weaken anything black Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
UKUFA!
Difference between Goverment an a Private company like SAB
SAB delivers beer to 68 000 Shebeens per week.
Goverment with full on BEE (ANC)delivers ??? books per year.......to 68 000 Schools
Please do no insist on BEE at SAB leave them alone Pleeeease Sir Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
Solution the must be a leadership change at Mangaung and decisive decision on Bantustans&volkstaat called provinces they past their sellby date !! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Sinudeity
solutions
Poppitlove
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
@Tasto\Nyongoyamavenda
What are the chances that i am going to get and answer anytime soon.
@MommaC
You are the one with the brains maybe you should help than out i think they're drowning. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
youjust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race
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I had to start my own business because of AA and BEE crap, why don't they do the same, sitting in a position because others get promoted because of skin colour is unfair, does not matter which way. If you don't like it, get off your a.ss and do your own thing. I am sick to hear that most companies are owned by whites, but they were forced out of the work place because of AA and BEE while the black brothers expect companies should be given to them
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they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
UKUFA!
Difference between Goverment an a Private company like SAB
SAB delivers beer to 68 000 Shebeens per week.
Goverment with full on BEE (ANC)delivers ??? books per year.......to 68 000 Schools
Please do no insist on BEE at SAB leave them alone Pleeeease Sir
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comparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital
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Do you think white people go to a job and sit and do nothing the whole day, they are also just tools if they work for a boss, what about the people you spoke about who you said proven themselves then don't get promoted. Please man, stop this blame game, look in the mirror and wake up. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid"
MommaC
The excuses, blame shifting, lack of accountability and pure arrogance of all our politicians is just mind blowing.
DA won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming the ANC, ANC won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming apartheid, nobody wants to take responsibility for the ridiculous promises made before elections and the people of SA are dissolving into anarchy.
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that is kind of critism i will respect from anyone whatever race at least you not pushed by blanket generalisation,big up man Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
comparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense
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You said it, even the SAB can operate as a horse when the government is operating like a donkey. It is time to kick the a.ss and get a horse in. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Moffdat
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
The ANC inherited a good running economy. They chose a few selected people and gave them free reign to enrich themselves, creating laws in order for them to do so. They chopped and changed the constitution to benefit only a selected few and spreading corruption all through the country. The successful companies are run by shareholders who have the right to choose the leaders of the companies. If I invest into a company I will select competent people to run it, and if they are white, so be it. I want a return on my investment and will select a competent person regardless of colour. You have invested in the ANC. Stop blaming white people if you do not get a return on your investment. You have to carry responsibility for your decision. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital"
No we didnt. The mineral wealth is white South African resources too. Anyways, the whites took the initiative to actually mine for it. And its not exploitation if you actually pay people to dig. Its not slavery. If they dont like it, they are free to resign.
Whats the point in giving you capital to start a business if you dont have the skills to start a business? And how will you ever get the skills, if you dont have textbooks, or based on the fact that SA's education is the lowest in the country?
Heres a crazy idea... why dont you raise capital the same way everyone else raises capital? By taking a loan from the bank? Crazy concept right?
PS, white folks gave lots of capital to black folks to start businesses. Unfortunately, Cyril, Tokyo and Motsepe took advantage of this, and became instant multi billionares, instead of sharing the wealth with their brothers and sisters. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital
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Do you think white people go to a job and sit and do nothing the whole day, they are also just tools if they work for a boss, what about the people you spoke about who you said proven themselves then don't get promoted. Please man, stop this blame game, look in the mirror and wake up.
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common man ,its a reality,you guys are bent down on damagin anc image ,so that we can begin to see DA as an alternative ,you dont criticise constructively thats and you are just spectators,when all th resources are in white hands,its not fair really its not Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
Maybe you should open your eyes and go a bit to the top and you will see a list, that i posted, also, read this article.
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital"
No we didnt. The mineral wealth is white South African resources too. Anyways, the whites took the initiative to actually mine for it. And its not exploitation if you actually pay people to dig. Its not slavery. If they dont like it, they are free to resign.
Whats the point in giving you capital to start a business if you dont have the skills to start a business? And how will you ever get the skills, if you dont have textbooks, or based on the fact that SA's education is the lowest in the country?
Heres a crazy idea... why dont you raise capital the same way everyone else raises capital? By taking a loan from the bank? Crazy concept right?
PS, white folks gave lots of capital to black folks to start businesses. Unfortunately, Cyril, Tokyo and Motsepe took advantage of this, and became instant multi billionares, instead of sharing the wealth with their brothers and sisters.
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now you are resorting to your true self, just throwing everything just to keep talking,dude you havnt sai a thing Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
Solutions
Everything you mentioned has a flaw to it that i can argue against. I will select merely a few though.
BEE has served that majority at large. It is a direct result of apartheid. No apartheid no BEE. I believe many people have a problem with it not because it isn't working but because it is benefiting a select few.
Bophutatswana was a bantustan. I would recommend you do some reading i'm not going into that.
The apartheid houses benefited a select few and not the majority. Education system was in shambles - bantu education 1976 etc etc. Speaking of bantu education are you sure you're not a product of it!!!
I could go on your list is flawed
Anyone else want to try????? Solutions how about you give it a go!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
Maybe you should open your eyes and go a bit to the top and you will see a list, that i posted, also, read this article.
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dont waste your time just open your eyes a little bit wider you will see,i dont being asked silly questions Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
UKUFA!
Ironically, SAB has never been an all white company. They had black, coloured, indian etc people in managerial positions (the CEO was indian/colourd in the 1980's) all through apartheid. Luckily, the Nats were never stupid enough to mess with the beer supply so they got away with it :)
There is a big difference between BEE and cronyism. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MSG_S
'We've failed to rebuild economy' said Mantashe. Mantashe also thought to himself " I dont want to tell them that we are masters when it comes to corruption, no no no no no. Yes, we are" . Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
SOLUTIONS
Nyongoyamavenda
comparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense
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You said it, even the SAB can operate as a horse when the government is operating like a donkey. It is time to kick the a.ss and get a horse in.
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dont take it ltterally my friend i am sure you understand idioms, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "common man ,its a reality,you guys are bent down on damagin anc image ,so that we can begin to see DA as an alternative"
The ANC is doing a fine job of discrediting themselves thank you very much.
"you dont criticise constructively thats and you are just spectators,when all th resources are in white hands,its not fair really its not"
Of course I give constructive criticism, but its when I have to discuss issues with racists such as yourself, where its impossible to do so.
Oh, and the resources are not in white hands. Black people combined own more money in South African, than white people combined. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
Everything you mentioned has a flaw to it that i can argue against. I will select merely a few though.
BEE has served that majority at large. It is a direct result of apartheid. No apartheid no BEE. I believe many people have a problem with it not because it isn't working but because it is benefiting a select few.
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You are the flaw, there was no BEE in Apartheid go and read your question again and wake up, F*&K where has the education in this country gone to. Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure.
Bophutatswana was a bantustan. I would recommend you do some reading i'm not going into that.
The apartheid houses benefited a select few and not the majority. Education system was in shambles - bantu education 1976 etc etc. Speaking of bantu education are you sure you're not a product of it!!!
I could go on your list is flawed
Really, here is something for you, I guess you should go and read up, F*&K where has the education gone to in the country --
Anyone else want to try????? Solutions how about you give it a go!!!
So, why don't you try to prove me wrong, your anc is a f*&kup, and you are a direct result of that, I can see it in your education. F*&K I can see you should rather talk to 3 year olds. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Nyongoyamavenda
If the education system was not degraded by the government and if students were willing to sit on their bums in a class room and study without raping/killing fellow students and teachers or burning down schools, they would have had those 'jobs' by now. But instead they listen to disgruntled youth league indoctrination and chose to become violent hooligans. Again your choice and no-one else's. It's almost 18 years now.....18 years of your own making. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "BEE has served that majority at large."
ROFLOL, no it hasnt. BEE has enriched a handful of cadres.
You know why more black people are not employed because of AA? Because there are only that many white companies. Or you do you expect 5 million white people to create employment for 45 million people? You will find that most companies comply with AA. Unfortunately, there arent that many companies. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Tasto
@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
Tasto
@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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You can start where you want to with everything you mentioned to the top, but you will need a time machine, good luck, I am looking for a better country now, I don't think everyone will be able to get into your time machine. Also , sorry, I was not there with one of them.
18 Years and going backwards, yes all races are now allowed everywhere but the country is going backwards. Wake up forget the past, the past is not stealing money from you now. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - "Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!"
10 years too much. Oh Lord, please send us a COMPETENT black government.
Hehe, you complain about white folks whinging (its how democracies are made stronger), but you know what black folks do? They buuurn down, throw their own $h17 in the streets and chop up policemen.
@Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "BEE has served that majority at large."
ROFLOL, no it hasnt. BEE has enriched a handful of cadres.
You know why more black people are not employed because of AA? Because there are only that many white companies. Or you do you expect 5 million white people to create employment for 45 million people? You will find that most companies comply with AA. Unfortunately, there arent that many companies
Yea, as far as I know..... those minority white companies must abide by the law....if there is only a hint of corruption they will get imprisoned for life....unlike some 'other' people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@SOLUTIONS
Tasto
@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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You can start where you want to with everything you mentioned to the top, but you will need a time machine, good luck, I am looking for a better country now, I don't think everyone will be able to get into your time machine. Also , sorry, I was not there with one of them.
18 Years and going backwards, yes all races are now allowed everywhere but the country is going backwards. Wake up forget the past, the past is not stealing money from you now.
You and your parents and grandparents and other white ppl you stole more than the anc for deliberaley giving me inferior halthcare and most importnatly INFERIOR EDUCATION. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Poppitlove
@Nyongoyamavenda
If the education system was not degraded by the government and if students were willing to sit on their bums in a class room and study without raping/killing fellow students and teachers or burning down schools, they would have had those 'jobs' by now. But instead they listen to disgruntled youth league indoctrination and chose to become violent hooligans. Again your choice and no-one else's. It's almost 18 years now.....18 years of your own making.
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clearly you have no clue of what you are talking about ,are you isulting black people or that is the way you see them rapist/killer*SS
please ddont come here and isult us you dumd ass**hole,how can you be so stupid**
please do me favour and refrain from engaging with me i have nothing to discuss with morons** like you
People forget that the economy is run by Rednecks, who are still dinasaurs who refuse to change or take the country forward. Whay can the Govt do if all the money and the productive land is in the hands of rednecks?? Get your facts right. Let one with no sin cast the first stone, otherwise: Shut the F**k up and sort our country out. People make the economy work, whining and sniping send us back to the stone age (apartheid) Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Nyongoyamavenda
I will happily ignore you.... you have a fowl mouth. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
@Everyone
I am still waiting for a person to give me a list which will truly answer my question. Some very unintelligent person even blamed the ANC for school pregnancies.
Well calibrated intelligent answer are allowed
MommaC please try i believe if anyone of this sorry bunch have to give me an answer they will need you help Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Nyongoyamavenda
Poppitlove
@Nyongoyamavenda
I will happily ignore you.... you have a fowl mouth.
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you are just a waisted sh**T of nonses ,how can you call all black mtriculants rapist and murders** you son of satan** Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Tasto
You and your parents and grandparents and other white ppl you stole more than the anc for deliberaley giving me inferior halthcare and most importnatly INFERIOR EDUCATION.
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The education that you got back then is better than the education of today, is that why they are now starting to call hospitals the place of death, dying babies every single day? I stole nothing from you. FU for saying that, the only thing I am doing is bringing money into the country and you want to blame me for theft, FU again. Report Abuse
how about corruption?
How about cadre deployment?
how about books not getting delivered? - in apartheid the kids had books, yes even in the townships.
How about all the job losses?
What about the borders being open?
Blame blame blame, you sound like little school girls who can't stand up for themselves, you are a failure because of yourself no one else, so go and listen to that song of Micheal Jackon -- Man in the mirror.
Why are you asking? Gwede has already given the answer
"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."
I could add a few things that hindsight says they should have done better but why belabour the point. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
UKUFA!
Comrade skwamasamabele, and another thing if we can get the rednecks out of our economy it will also stop our brothers streaming over our borders from the rest of Africa, looking for food education, jobs and medical care. Good thinking comrade. Report Abuse
The education that you got back then is better than the education of today, is that why they are now starting to call hospitals the place of death, dying babies every single day? I stole nothing from you. FU for saying that, the only thing I am doing is bringing money into the country and you want to blame me for theft, FU again.
Typical white r.acist just like FW de Klerk trying to justify some aspects of Apartheid recently, so Bantu education was good for me but not for you I guess? for your information anc didn't mess white education in their honest endevour to reverse Bantu education they got it wrong perhaps for not listening to others\experts!!
I don't see the point in comparing SA from before 1994 and now. They were two completely different situations. Apples and pears.
I also don't see the point in going around in circles. Our country isn't perfect and it isn't doing as well as it should be doing. Maybe if we stopped with the race and politics arguments, we could use all that energy to FIX the problems. What is done is done. Who broke it isn't half as important as how we get it fixed Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@UKUFA!
Comrade skwamasamabele, and another thing if we can get the rednecks out of our economy it will also stop our brothers streaming over our borders from the rest of Africa, looking for food education, jobs and medical care. Good thinking comrade.
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????? How are the white owned companies responsible for illegal immigrants?(if I understand the comment correctly). And don't worry, soon they will realise there is no education here.... medical care is questionable and jobs, well..... none there either. They will also realise that racism is not a black/white either and they will run away from this horror.
Tasto
ypical white r.acist just like FW de Klerk trying to justify some aspects of Apartheid recently, so Bantu education was good for me but not for you I guess? for your information anc didn't mess white education in their honest endevour to reverse Bantu education they got it wrong perhaps for not listening to others\experts!!
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Exact comment I was expecting from your small mind, could not debate the facts and had to throw the racism card. Typical inferiority complex, well, at least you see the truth, even if it hurts it is a step forward, you see, even on here I do my part. You will get over it and one day see the light and stop being a sheep. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!!
Nothing eluded this mother fcuker, just delibrately twisting or selective memory.What do you expert from DeveovledAprtheid campaigning agebnts on this blog? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
Moffdat
SOLUTIONS
'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!!
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You are starting to get boring now, so whose f up was it, apartheid or the anc. lol so it was apartheids fault that the anc failed in negotiations. ... please dude also go and read the whole article and wake up. Where has the education system gone to, if you are an OBE boy, I feel sorry for SA. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@MommaC
I don't see the point in comparing SA from before 1994 and now. They were two completely different situations. Apples and pears.
I also don't see the point in going around in circles. Our country isn't perfect and it isn't doing as well as it should be doing. Maybe if we stopped with the race and politics arguments, we could use all that energy to FIX the problems. What is done is done. Who broke it isn't half as important as how we get it fixed
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Agreed, however, until there is proper competition for the ANC, they will hang onto the past and keep on blaming the past for the next hundred years...... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
SOLUTIONS
I am going to have a Heineken and climb into the Jacuzzi, anc cadres, go and find more ways to blame apartheid for your anc's
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
skwamasamabele
its quite obvious that the apartheid symphathisers always look for a problem in the African National Congress, and they dont like the fact its been in govt since '94. Instead of helping make the country work, all they EVER do is critisize the ANC. I dont remember these so-called 'pious defenders of true SA values' critisizing the Nationalist govt of Botha & De Klerk. Perhaps it might have something to do with their collusion in apartheid status quo. THE ANC IS IN POWER, AND WILL BE FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, SO GET OVER IT. Shape up or ship out of SA Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
MommaC
Poppitlove
I don't think so. The younger generation isn't buying the excuses anymore. They want results, not excuses. Even those within the ANC are getting tired of the old 'apartheid' card being thrown around.
Apartheid made many, many mistakes. The ANC has made many, many mistakes. Crying about the spilt milk isn't going to clean it up Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@skwamasamabele
oh get real.... just read the article above....ANC = fail. Corruption and criminals will never get my support. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@SOLUTIONS,@RobinH - stop lying and deluding yourselves whiteys!!
Nothing from the truth there are still doctors, engineers&other professionals being produced out of this fcuked up black education system like with BantuEducation!! Black education didn’t stall after anc came to power got that in your head!! No matter how you put barriers Black will soar higher always and BLACKS must be most talented ppl despite obstacle we somehow make it, from old Missisipsi in south USA to Old SouthAfrica&post Apartheid we are still here and not going to vote for a white people party !! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
skwamasamabele - "ts quite obvious that the apartheid symphathisers always look for a problem in the African National Congress"
So... gwede is an apartheid sympathiser? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
skwamasamabele - "Instead of helping make the country work, all they EVER do is critisize the ANC."
Black people, instead of helping make the country work, they buuurn down libraries, they buuurn down schools, they block highways and chop up policemen. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Tasto
Not asking you to vote for a white people party (Not) Just sort your corrupt criminal, money grabbers for leaders out.....Stop blaming the past ..... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Moffdat
MommaC
"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."
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I believe you know under the companies act of 1973 and the current legislation (2008) board of directors and shareholders by special resolution may vote to issue share to the public or specified individuals. Gwede is doing his job, being the bigger man and taking the wrap for scared shareholders who wanted to take their money and run. More stringent legislation could have been pasted but the one thing we know about democracy is that it is timeous. (Under the 1973 Act only shareholders were allowed to do this but under the current legislation the board of directors can exercise this function as well)
I believe you and everyone tried but failed!
If it is akin to your predilection i implore you to mention the ones you have kept from me.
@Poppitlove
????? How are the white owned companies responsible for illegal immigrants?
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They are fleeing a worst horror for now, white owned compannies gives them hope for Africa. Or do you want to tell me they are fleeing here for the climate or the ANC goverment's job creation skills. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Poppitlove
@Tasto
Not asking you to vote for a white people party (Not) Just sort your corrupt criminal, money grabbers for leaders out.....Stop blaming the past .....
First fcuk you, anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past!! Typical whites always want to have it both ways selfish gutonous ppl !! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
UKUFA!
It's not white companies.... SA was liberated and Mandela promised freedom for all. They are coming here for that freedom and opportunity for all. Oh dear.... That is a well known fact. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - F*** you dude.
Your ANC is stealing money from the country, but you ignore this fact and merely blame white folks for the slow delivery. F*** the ANC, corrupt and incompetent criminals and clowns posing as politicians. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
I am off now, to watch OPFC, maar ppl white ppl are the same. No no past is past !! just like Lonmin company in London that instruct ppl to return to work to maximise profits from raping SA mineral resources without care to affected miners !! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Sinudeity_
Tasto - F*** you dude.
Your ANC is stealing money from the country, but you ignore this fact and merely blame white folks for the slow delivery. F*** the ANC, corrupt and incompetent criminals and clowns posing as politicians.
You stole my future feeding me Bantu Education !! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - And the ANC stole you childrens future, feeding you bantu education. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Tasto
First fcuk you, anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past!! Typical whites always want to have it both ways selfish gutonous ppl !!
"anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past"
We all know the ANC was supposed to lead the country into a bright future as they promised. They said so. Now that they are failing, THEY are blaming the past. We are trying to tell the ANC that it is not an excuse and that in order to move forward you have to leave the past in the past. All we want is for whoever is leading the country to get a move on and do it properly... but unfortunately there has been and is still too much corruption happening and we have a right to point that out and call for reform. Simples.
Tasto - "SA mineral resources without care to affected miners"
Shame, and what about the poor policemen that were butchered by these savages? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - The police were not even given time to bury their fellow officers, they had to go back to the hill the next day. No week of mourning for them. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
@Sinudeity_
"Black people", instead of helping make the country work, they buuurn down libraries, they buuurn down schools, they block highways and chop up policemen.
And yet you want them to degrade your party. All DA wants is a black vote so they can have a hold on Africans, nothing more, didn't I tell you that before. How can you call yourselves a non-racial party if you can make such comments about a certain race? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Maxiti255
@ SOLUTION and @ Sinudeity_
You people better catch a wake up, change is coming when the econommy will be transfered to the right hands. CODESA sympathised with whites thinking they will cooperate but what they do they continued to opress a black child economically.
The day has come for Economic freedom. "Radical policy change" can you hear that, sounds lekker hey. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
skwamasamabele
I am not going to get involved in myopic, self centred arguements. In most countries, when a new govt is elected, people get behind and drive the economy. In America, when Obama got in, the situation that occured was the same as when the ANC got into power in SA. It seems, to me, the Prophets Of Doom (Led by Poppitlove & Sinudiety Brigade), were negative from the start, which to me equals....Racism. Notion that black people cannot run any economy is entrenched in Rednecks, instead of helping the economy by contributing to current status quo, they want to prove to whoever cares to listen that: we told you so. Like I said, If you dont like it, ship out. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
rivimbir
ANC failed the SA economy because they are only putting their comrades on the position which they are not fit to handle.Self centred and corrupt comrades played a big role in the cause of the failure of our economy ,transformation is required in our country. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Tasto
@Sinudeity_
Tasto - And the ANC stole you childrens future, feeding you bantu education.
Bantu education is your policy, anc does not have race based education don't lie & deliberatley shove this .... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
Africans must catch a wake up, this is their battle, they must fight it, never expect the son/daughter of the slave master to understand their plight. The sad reality is that in every bad situation in SA, the victim never changes colour, always African. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Maxiti255
Please give me a proper definition for economic freedom. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Sjekula - "How can you call yourselves a non-racial party if you can make such comments about a certain race?"
Im not a member nor do I work for the DA :P
What comments? Im merely stereotyping. Just like all the ANC fanboys have been stereotyping me. Apparently Im looting our natural resources, and I perpetuated apartheid (Even though I was just 10 years old). So why cant I stereotype black folks?
But its true ne? Whites whine about the ANC, but at least they dont protest violently.
Like I have been saying, merely reciprocating. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Sjekula
Africans must catch a wake up, this is their battle, they must fight it, never expect the son/daughter of the slave master to understand their plight. The sad reality is that in every bad situation in SA, the victim never changes colour, always African.
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You have all the tools to not be victims, you just choose to stay that way. Address this unhappiness with you leaders. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
"Any form of political freedom which does not touch on proper distribution of wealth will be meaningless. Whites have locked up within a small minority of themselves, the greater proportion of the country's wealth, and if we have a mere change of face of those in governing positions, what is likely to happen is that black people will continue to be poor, and we will get a few blacks filtering through into the so called bourgeoisie and our society will be ran almost as of yesterday" Steve Biko Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
UKUFA!
Well said Honourable ***Comrade Maxiti255*** we will show them how to spend money so that we can also have Economic freedom like our brothers up north. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
@Poppitlove
I think I've already said that, Africans must stop running after white people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Tasto - "Bantu education is your policy, anc does not have race based education don't lie & deliberatley shove this"
So what? Its not about race based education. Its about the ANC government giving your kids INFERIOR education. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Maxiti255
@UKUFA!
Definition of economic freedom: (please note, it states every person)
Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every person to control his or her own labor and property. In an economically free society, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please, with that freedom both protected by the state and unconstrained by the state Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
Sjekula - And steve biko said that quote when?
You know that black folks have more money combined than white folks right? So now the majority of wealth of the country is in the hands of black folks. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Sjekula
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I think I've already said that, Africans must stop running after white people
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I apologise, I have misread your comment. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
@Sinudeity_
"Whites whine about the ANC, but at least they dont protest violently. "
Whites have all the money to take the government to court, but what my people have, is themselves. What kind of a person accepts poverty, I cannot live in poverty, me and my friends have proven that. Ilanga lishonile bafana mazibuye izinkomo esigangeni, that's the song we used to listen to in 1995, and we dedicated all our efforts to that. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
@Sjekula
Again, apologies, I'm a bit on a roll today. My family's lives has been in danger twice now and I'm therefore personally affected by the uncontrolled violence in the country. I just want it all to stop. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sjekula
@Sinudeity_
"You know that black folks have more money combined than white folks right? So now the majority of wealth of the country is in the hands of black folks."
They just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Poppitlove
Sjekula
They just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites.
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Are those not the people that was pushed to the top by the ANC? If I'm wrong I apologise in advance, however that is my understanding. They are not under whites, they are under the ANC?
Sjekula - "They just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites"
Eh? What does this even mean?
"Whites have all the money to take the government to court, but what my people have, is themselves."
You mean, blacks can build themselves R16 million homes, spend R15 million of tax money on their wives every year, spend over a BILLION rand on luxury vehicles, but what your people have, are themselves? Report Abuse
That had nothing to do with them selling Sasol or any of the other state owned enterprises. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
TheMan2000
The question is why was Apartheid was so successful?. The ANC need to implement their policies with intensity just like the NP did with their Apartheid policies in order to be successful. Nationalize the Reserve Bank and most of the banks in the country which are more friendly to the haves which most are whites. Give people land (with title deeds) especially does staying in the former homelands areas. BEE policy should be scrapped and the shares given to the public not to some one wealthy well connected idividual. South Africa is country owned by white people not blacks as some would like us to believe. Economic Freedom in our lifetime. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2012
Sinudeity_
TheMan2000 - The irony is, that many of the successful apartheid policies was scrapped by the ANC. Teacher training colleges, technical colleges, masonry training schools, inspectors at schools, 4 provinces...
Instead of nationalising the banks, rather let the government start a bank. Although I smell loads of tax money, loads of corruption, and loads of bailouts.
Dont give people land with title deeds, let them buy the land rather. Or have government subsidize new land owners. The government spent R3 billion last year, bailing out 400 new black farmers. Should rather use that money to help new farmers buy the land, instead of just giving it away for free.
This culture of free stuff is creating a culture of laziness. Nobody wants to work for something, nobody wants to save.
"South Africa is country owned by white people not blacks as some would like us to believe."
So, just like apartheid and its successful policies that you mentioned, why not learn from successful white folks instead? You are unfortunately not learning anything from the looks of things, about the value of education etc.
You are already economically free. What you do with your freedom is up to you. Report Abuse
Aug 23, 2012
Aleco
They kept talking and admitting but the bottom line is they fix nothing.Things are getting worse everyday.Prices are getting high everyday,a white man has climbed this ladder far more than before 1994.The salaries gab is continually widening as if is no ANC concern,as a results the death at Marikana while on the other hand profit margins are high.In other words ANC allows the richer to become more richer at the expense of poor,whilst on the other hand they steal from poors - Corruption.
We were fooled in 2004 and 2009 cause we thought it was a mistake,No it was not but it was on purpose hence ANC know when to admit their fuckups,lookin ahead elections,this time ....
We are sick of hearing about radical policies,infrustructures etc in other words theory with no implementation. Report Abuse
Aug 23, 2012
RobinH
Tasto & Poppitlove: Please do not draqw me into your private debate there. I am not involved and have nmo interest in that discussion. Report Abuse
Aug 23, 2012
Sjomba
I'm not taking another "WALK TO ECONOMIC FREEDOM". Report Abuse
Aug 23, 2012
CB045
" We thought when we acquired power we would use it to change the economic terrain."
So! Who is the 'we' he is talking about? I thought it was all about breaking the unfair Apartheid rule, but I notice that it was after the loot they were after all the time! Apartheid, after 18 years still exist today but the Blacks have got much richer by dictating the terms, and Whites have been victimized for the privilages they enjoyed in the past.
What is now so disappointing is that the ANC, in their hatred for Whites, are replacing them by inefficient Blacks who haven't a clue what to do, but rely on the remaining staff to 'carry on as usual'. The results of their economic greed is only now dawning upon them as protests are becoming increasingly violent and the money-pot becoming a bit more difficult to fill. For 18 years the ANC have been pointed out by the press about their unlawful acts and always had a defensive response to the problem highlighted. Should South Africa wait for another 18-plus years for some improvement, or should it vote in a new government other than ANC. A government who do not discriminate against race, colour or religion and pledges to work for its citizens' best interest. Report Abuse
Sep 9, 2012
ErnestR
The greatest crises in South Africa today is the vast "Oversupply" of unemployed people ==== This is directly caused by the under supply of employers. We need to create an oversupply of employers as this will eliminate unemployment. Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Once in his life time this urgly old man agrees that they've failed to better SAns' lives.Nationalisation of all stuff used to be gov properties in apartheid time is the only factor that can be used in economy transformation of this country.I dont think there's someone who can tell me why did whites call for privatisation of some of gov properties after 1994.
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SOLUTIONS
Ja, one can see voting time is getting closer, anc has not only failed BEE with their corrupt ways, they failed the country.OUT WITH THIS CRIMINAL ORGANISATION
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepePlease enlighten us on what was government properties prior to 1994?
Your anc can't even deliver text books, they can't even curb corruption a little, it is only getting worse and you want more money in their hands, I smell an idiot.
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Sinudeity_
The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward.Report Abuse
januswanus
Problem you serving yourself as an organization.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - You not talking about Telkom? It was a parastatal. Then the ANC made sure they bought lots of shares in the business, and privatised it. Some cadres made a cr@pload of cash. Now they want to nationalise it again?Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
Ntate Ntjebe only now you realise that you have made white owned companies very rich for complying with with this k@k and the cronies like Tokyo, Saki, Fani, Cyril, Radebe's wife, Zuma's Sons, ect. While those that queued to put you in power are left destitute and the shareholding that the cronies have can not even force the board of to employ their children or give them bursaries let alone intern ships. Now you want to go radical, what radical policy can you implement if the cronies that are still in this companies. Do you honesty think they will allow you to take the bacon out of their mouth? I still say Ntjebe if you want this radical policies to fly you and your communists must step down Sir!!!Report Abuse
Nys1
After milking SA’s economy nou le sharpo , so everthing must go back to normal…Sis M’dala o le ANC ba tlwaela bathoReport Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONSSinudeity_
Like every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!!
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Buc4life
Good Morning AllYes, the ANC has failed to rebuild the economy. The organisation is run by unskilled, uneducated morons who care only for themselves. We keep telling them that they cannot separate politics and economics.
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MorenaWaPoleloLike every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!!
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Dude they are busy imploding, it is not to many moons from now and the anc will be only something in the history boos, not a an liberation party, but the most corrupt the world has seen. The ones who suffer is the people of SA, even the idiots voting for them, they are just to d.umb to realise it.
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Bebesocs
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Sinudeity_
MorenaWaPolelo - ANC aint here to stay bru. Your party is busy dying. The ANC is not a sustainable party dude. Their corruption and incompetence is costing us more than we can give.Report Abuse
Buc4life
MorenaWaPoleloSOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Like every sustainable party in this country the ANC is here to stay hurling insults will not help your course!!
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Hello there.
The ANC is feeding on the naivety of the electorate. The party is not sustainable at all.
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MicaParis
There are three main organisational weaknesses and shortcomings that have persisted in the ANC post-1994 period:Firstly, the challenges of governance and political management of state power have been impacting on the character and values of the ANC as the movement for transformation and servant of the people. Secondly, the political life of the organisation revolves around permanent internal strife and factional battles for power. This is a silent retreat from the mass line to palace politics of factionalism and perpetual in-fighting. Thirdly, the organisational capabilities structure, systems and processes do not match the tasks and demands of the current phase of the revolution. Due to the preoccupation with managing internal conflicts, the movement has not been mitigating the seven dangers that ''our'' party has to contend with and manage.
''Our'' ANC that we love so much should manage for future existence,
a. The danger of social distance and isolation of the party from the masses;
b. The danger of state bureaucratism and demobilisation of the masses;
c. The danger of corruption and neo-patrimonialim;
d. The danger of institutionalized factionalism, ill-discipline and disunity fuelled
and inspired by the battles over the control of state power and resources;
e. The danger of using state institutions to settle inner-party differences;
f. The danger of neglecting cadre policy;
g. The danger of lack of capacity and capability to implement policies in order to
rapidly improve the standard of living of the masses.
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Bebesocs
who can trust what "zidlele" is saying? Yacaci ikati emnyama ehlungwini. Yhaay we will seeReport Abuse
Segodithomas
Julius Malema was telling the truth that why he was expelled. Why radical change now becuase you didnt want him to say what you are saying now. You can see that you have made mistake on all the people you were attacking and still attacking. Continue with your naked march, we careless.I am an African, i know my rights.
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Mxaueht
@ Sinudeity_The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward.
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I doubt if that is still true....we are available skilled with vast knowledge and experienxe, but given lame positions.
I think corruption, nepotism and those illiterates with only fake matric certifictaes and college diplomas on the top are the factors here.
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MorenaWaPolelo
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Buc4life
Guys and Lady the ANC as a political party is sustainable and the electorate that SOL is refering too as idiots will make sure that they retain power. Bucs you are allowing you emotions to run away with you luvy, the ANC has experienced this kind of back lash before and it has prevailed and it will MARK MY WORDS. All I can say is hold on change is coming!!
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Buc4life
MorenaWaPoleloSOLUTIONS
Sinudeity_
Buc4life
Guys and Lady the ANC as a political party is sustainable and the electorate that SOL is refering too as idiots will make sure that they retain power. Bucs you are allowing you emotions to run away with you luvy, the ANC has experienced this kind of back lash before and it has prevailed and it will MARK MY WORDS. All I can say is hold on change is coming!!
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and why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers?
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Sinudeity_
Mxaueht - Indeed, we have the skills to run the country. But unfortunately, the ANC and cadre deployment prevents those people from getting in positions where they can make a difference. Meanwhile, all we have are criminals and m0rons running the country.And then we have folks like MorenaWaPolelo defending them.
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Sinudeity_
MicaParis - Maybe ONCE YOU and your leaders realise that the REVOLUTION is over, you can GET THE H3LL ON WITH IT.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
@GwedeWe? Who's we? You, zuma, blade came and destroyed everything that Mandela and Mbeki built.. Instead you and blade kept on defending the ineffective zuma, attacking academics, calling them counter revolutionaries, reactionalist, arnachist and all. Now you wantt to include everyone? Bull, go tell that your kids.
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MicaParis''Our'' ANC that we love so much should manage for future existence,
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When I read this I gagged, I don't even want to be associated with this criminal organisation. I feel embarrassed when international people ask me why the anc is still in power. The only thing I can tell them is that we sit with a lot of uneducated people in SA who is very gullible.
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Sinudeity_
MorenaWaPolelo - Yeah dude, CHANGE IS COMING. But not the change you want. The change will be when YOU and your LEADERS are DRAGGED NAKED through dirty township streets.The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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MorenaWaPolelo
MicaParisSocial distance, policy implementation and managing internal conflict are big issues, ow can you concentrate when you know that knives are out. Elective conferences are interesting times in our movement!!!
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MicaParis
@MorenaWaPoleloNtate Ntjebe only now you realise that you have made white owned companies very rich for complying with with this k@k and the cronies like Tokyo, Saki, Fani, Cyril, Radebe's wife, Zuma's Sons, ect. While those that queued to put you in power are left destitute and the shareholding that the cronies have can not even force the board of to employ their children or give them bursaries let alone intern ships. Now you want to go radical, what radical policy can you implement if the cronies that are still in this companies. Do you honesty think they will allow you to take the bacon out of their mouth? I still say Ntjebe if you want this radical policies to fly you and your communists must step down Sir!!!
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Allutta My Chief!!
Some people claim to understand the ANC and South African politics!
I respect your knowledge on ANC politics my Chief, push very hard at Branch level, we need your understanding in our ANC. We are tired of ''milk teeth'' ''comrades come children'' in the ANCYL who claim to be 'cadres' after being born from spongy cheap ''hi-school and campus '' politics! A comrade come from branches not University or high school!
You are a very rare blogger who make sense about the ANC, is either you are brilliant or one of your relative is within us in the chambers, but your knowledge about ANC is very good and true!!
Keep it up Comrade, push Branch politics we need you in our ANC!
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Ngwedane
What is happening in the ANC is exactly the same thing with Animal Farm, the ANC big bosses are enriching themselves and neglecting the masses.Report Abuse
Papage
Now they can go, and we need new people who will deliver, just like Nathi who instructed the Police to shoot miners, he must go.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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lol it is funny when an anc cadre uses a new word and you can see he is so impressed when he reads it off his little paper because he learned it only an hour ago how the followers start to use the word as well. It is like they run to a dictionary, Eish, that word, that word we must know!!
the words Blind Sheep comes to mind.
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MorenaWaPolelo
Sinudeity_And then we have folks like MorenaWaPolelo defending them
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I consider myself to be very objective and Im not defending anyone!!!
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The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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Lol please man do not make me lough!!!!! The is no delusion here you are conflicting isues your argument is based on those that are deployed in government and mine is based on the party i.e. ANC and Im telling you that the ANC is sustainable do not believe the hype of the media, we are used to this.
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Buc4life
SOLUTIONSSinudeity_
The ANC is not sustainable dude. No idea where you get that delusion from. Must have been the local buzzword at the last ANC branch meeting.
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lol it is funny when an anc cadre uses a new word and you can see he is so impressed when he reads it off his little paper because he learned it only an hour ago how the followers start to use the word as well. It is like they run to a dictionary, Eish, that word, that word we must know!!
the words Blind Sheep comes to mind.
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True that. More than blind sheep, I would say LOLest.
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Buc4life
MorenaWaPoleloI asked you why you say the ANC is sustainable? I am still waiting for an answer.
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MorenaWaPoleloLol please man do not make me lough!!!!! The is no delusion here you are conflicting isues your argument is based on those that are deployed in government and mine is based on the party i.e. ANC and Im telling you that the ANC is sustainable do not believe the hype of the media, we are used to this.
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One does not need to read the media in order to see the anc led government is a complete F up. you just need to drive down the road, go into a hospital, go to a local school or look at the amount of jobless people walking around during the day, go to a rdp settlement and look at all the incompetence there.
ONE JUST NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES, IF YOU DONE THIS, TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS AND DON'T LISTEN TO THE LIES.
Do you get tenders from the gov?
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Mmaditopo
Mr. Mantashe, this is the smartest statement you have made this year. Kudos!Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4lifeand why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers?
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Asking me if Im the blind follower is irrelevant and wont change my view on this matter. Is either we don not know what sustainable mean or we are missing the point. Im saying the Glorius Movement is sustainable because after Mangaung, General Elections, Next Local Elections, Next General Election, Next Policy and Electiive Conference the ANC will still be there.My dear if COPE or any other political party occupies the Union Building and the right seats at Parly the ANC will still be there sitting on the left. (If the impossible statement make you and others happy that is what i mean when I say the movement is sustainable)
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MommaC
How did they fail to negotiate a better deal?Everything that Gwede is pointing at is a stuff up AFTER the deal and has nothing to do with it
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goochy
Die Man praat net kaak. BEE is a very good programme that was aimed at empowering ordinary Black fellows. Now the problem is not BEE but stupid people like him who do not qualify to lead the country. They just don't know how to implement and monitor this programme especially their friends whom they deployed to oversee that the programme fulfill it's mandate. He is one of the people who is causing this and now he stand in front of us like a pastor and tells us that the programme is failing. Who does he think he is. And does he really think that people are that stupid? This Fucking old man must just resign because he doesnt know what the hell he talks about.Report Abuse
Hosh6
Buc4lifeWhat makes you think ANC isn't sustainable?
Mantashe yes you and your fellow cadres failed dismally as you are clueless...There are deserving people who should be serving in our government but because they are not from exile or don't relate to struggle fighters they don't qualify.
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goochyDie Man praat net kaak. BEE is a very good programme that was aimed at empowering ordinary Black fellows.
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The idea was great but failed miserably because the goverment only gave deals to family and close friends, over and over again, now the ordinary black person is still where is was and only the elite gets richer.
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MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONSDo you get tenders from the gov?
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What do you mean?
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MorenaWaPoleloWhat do you mean?
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Sorry, I will type it out: Do you get tenders from the government?
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sh!tFaceSamsung
Someone may bet with me SSU will beat Mighty Buccania to daeReport Abuse
Makhosini0408
No Sir, You lot failed to create a conducive environment for business to flourish. Only created black diamonds, elites and tenderpreneurs.Report Abuse
Tabza325is
"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."This says it all, as long as the reserve bank a private banking institude controls the country's currency they will never be economic freedom, show me any private bank that has the interest of the people at heart, bankers are all about profite...
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MorenaWaPolelo
SOLUTIONSMorenaWaPolelo
What do you mean?
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Sorry, I will type it out: Do you get tenders from the government?
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Okay I think the essence of the debate is lost, let us agree to disagree on the sustainable matter. To You, Sin, Bucs Thanks for the debate Sirs and Lady
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Tsatsatsa
He (Mantashe) highlighted the unintended consequences of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE), which had so far failed to transform the economy. Such failures, including rampant poverty, inequality and unemployment, had prompted the debate on the new phase of the national democratic revolution.BEE has only benefited the few in SA and more than 60% of BEE deals have actually gone to 5 people. MorenaWaPolelo has just named some of them washiya uMotsepe.........I agree with the sentiments that ANC has no plan when it comes to Economic Transformation.
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Bohlale1
@Sinudeity_I am getting very irritate by you comments!!!! ANC is here to stay whether you like it or not. So stuff your insults, just because its a black man in government it doesnt give you right to insult him like that!!!!
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Moffdat
I think Gwede is being too hard on himself and his comrades. Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life. No country in the world is without poverty. Ntate Ntjebe i respect your views and i think you're a very intelligent leader and i think focusing on the past is taking the credibility out of your well intended statement.Report Abuse
Dandan
Sinudeity_The ANC doesnt have the skills or the knowledge to take our country forward
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relly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94
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MUofhekona
dont talk nonsense with your big tummy Gwede,i hate this government with all my heart.i rather vote for DA not Ass Nothing but Corruption thugs.Why are you still vote for this empty promise boys.How can we be governed by grade 4 pupil(Zuma)Viva Banana Republic Viva.Report Abuse
Mamlambo
Always this kind of talk in elections year.What about next elections? Will ntjebe be saying "oh, we made a mistakes in 2012, now we can fix it in 2017".
Ntjebe, showera, juju... can just keep getting fat and saying empty words.
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Hosh6Buc4life
What makes you think ANC isn't sustainable?
Mantashe yes you and your fellow cadres failed dismally as you are clueless...There are deserving people who should be serving in our government but because they are not from exile or don't relate to struggle fighters they don't qualify.
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Corruption is not sustainable, or is it?
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THEmadame2B-BBEE
This BEE policy is a mess because ga e na theoretical aproach to it. its like building a wall without cementReport Abuse
Tsatsatsa
National Party once said that they will never die.....baphi nje!!! uKhongolose uzigumbela igodi.Report Abuse
nkunzemnyama
If we are to transform this country into the best country in Africa we need to change a system that is being used by our givernment. We're using capitalistic system but at the same playing with people's mind & say the country's wealth sall be shared, which is communism, most worrying is this get rich fast scheme called BEE which supports politician & their families to be filthy rich through tenderpreneurship. Gwede don't fool us by making statements we want action and we we want it nowReport Abuse
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Dandanrelly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94
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No, what do you mean, a few extra dodgy houses and schools, education that is worse than before 94 and a few elite that got richer. Corruption of the highest in the world, great way of taking us forward.
History has taught us that no liberation party was successful, go and read it up and let me know if you find one. We need change, the anc did what it had to with the np, now we need someone who can take the country forward,
OUT WITH THE CRIMINAL ORGANISATION.
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Buc4life
MorenaWaPoleloBuc4life
and why would you say the ANC is sustainable? BTW; are you one of those blind followers?
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Asking me if Im the blind follower is irrelevant and wont change my view on this matter. Is either we don not know what sustainable mean or we are missing the point. Im saying the Glorius Movement is sustainable because after Mangaung, General Elections, Next Local Elections, Next General Election, Next Policy and Electiive Conference the ANC will still be there.My dear if COPE or any other political party occupies the Union Building and the right seats at Parly the ANC will still be there sitting on the left. (If the impossible statement make you and others happy that is what i mean when I say the movement is sustainable)
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I did not ask you to change your views on matter.
You do not understand the meaning of sustainability. Yes, the ANC will be there because there is no other credible party for the majority to vote for, but by no means, that does not mean that the party is sustainable. Corruption, infighting can never sustain any party. The ANC is in disarray, and sooner or later, this party will be made to pay by the very people who vote it in power.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@SOLUTIONSKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Please enlighten us on what was government properties prior to 1994?
Your anc can't even deliver text books, they can't even curb corruption a little, it is only getting worse and you want more money in their hands, I smell an idiot.
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Minerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
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Bohlale1
@Sinudeity_I suggest you leave this country rite now, I wish we can engage in a fist fight. I would smack the taste out of your mouth. ANC is not doing anything for me and I dont expect it to but all I want is for them to help the needy, but against your liking, it is here to stay. ANC is going to be in power for a looooooooooooooooooong time, so deal with it. Your madam Zille, will soon show her truce and join us!!!!
You should see the white people working in government, they are so lovely and have learnt african languages. We even have named them sotho, zulu,pedi, xhosa names. And they like them. That is what transformation means. I mthinking of a name you!!!!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - You not talking about Telkom? It was a parastatal. Then the ANC made sure they bought lots of shares in the business, and privatised it. Some cadres made a cr@pload of cash. Now they want to nationalise it again?
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U're a liar man kakkakakkakakkakakkakakakakakaka shut up!lol
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MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4lifeLets agree to disagree Dear., and remember I will lobby you to vote for the ANC when the time comes!
Thanks for the Debate
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nghunghunyane
Who cares? You brough this amongst yourself, we are changing leadership come 2014. skhathele thinaReport Abuse
Tabza325is
@Moffdat,"I think Gwede is being too hard on himself and his comrades. Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life"In the modern world we live in poverty is caused by external factors, this world is abundent with resources which are enough to uplift everybody's life, but this resources which allow for economic success are in the hands of a few and they are the once ripping all the benifits, what you are saying is it's ok for the few who control resources on this earth they shouldn't worry and should pad themselves on the back since they are not responsible for the conditions of poverty that exist in human society as you put it the people who are in poverty are there because of eternal conditions and not external factors they are facing on a day to day basis.
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somaartakeit
Finally mantashe you have come to the obvious truth and reality which resulted in many of us not voting anc anymore, and you know what funny about anc's failure to build economy? you anc have never failed to pocket public purse for your personal luxuries, whilst children of SA have no basic resources enable them in their developmental stages, such basic health care, such as basic nutrition, such as education, as a result they are prone to diseases and underdevelopment, anc you are a shame of all that black SAns fought for, you have used our struggle as your piggy bank, all of you anc leaders live in opulance whilst majority black SAns still live as squalors,Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
Bohlale1Ha ha ha ha ha ha do not be emotional my chief!!!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepeMinerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
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Mines were operating under apartheid exactly like they are now, I know I am clever, I am also a realist and do not rely on other people to make up my mind, I look at facts, facts shows that your anc are incompetent to the extend of no return. The only way SA can go forward is if we get another party.
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cornelius
This is one of the most distressing things I have read in a long while. The ANC has failed the economy,and the black masses, not because its policies are not " radical" enough, but because of corruption, poor management, cadre deployment, wasteful expenditure, etc.Now it is blaming the situaiton on the Kempton Park negotiators, and promises to adopt even more " radical " policies. By this it seems more job discrimination against whites, and a state capitaslism model where the state becomes a player in the market.
This is the completely wrong direction - in order for our economy to grow we need to appoint people on the basis of skill not race, and the state should stick to its core business - the administration o fthe country. In last week figures came out showing the productivity of the state sector is about 400 times lower that in the private sector , noe the state wants to take over everything.
What i shappenin ghere is that the ANC have run oiut of plans and answers because they simply cannot halt the corruptiion, cronyism and cadre deployment an dthey are in effect giving in the populist calls of the ANCYL without wanting to admit it.
This is the first time I have really felt despondent about out future.
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Moffdat
Eish ja mara bafwethu life is a funny thing. In one life time you are considered a hero and a villain, an intellectual and a nimr0d, a pauper and now a plutocrat.These guys really need to start writing books about themselves. I would k!ll to read their books where they are brutally honest about the juxtaposition between a freedom fighter and parlimentarian!!!!
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Hosh6
Buc4lifeANC is not corruption.
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somaartakeit
oh btw mantashe whilst you have manged to grab your braincells and are able (for now) to have some basic common sense, please know that economic gains being chowed by post plkn pirates are gains which achieved prior to the plkn era, just remember that as you dive deep with your corrupt snouts into our public purse. And with the knowledge that you anc leaders have failed to develop SA's economy in spite all its resources and possibilities, shouldn't you lot step down instead of seeking second term and other terms which will yield no positive results? news flash mantashe you anc regime are going to continue to fail, cause you have chased out the country significant amount educated and economically active citizens, as a direct result of that tax base has shrunk significantly and all the social promises you are promising the poor you are not going to be able to realise them, cause there is simply no money.Report Abuse
Dandan
@SOLUTIONSwhat was the GDP per capita pre 94 blahblahblablhablh
was SA part of UN pre94
was SA member of BRICS pre94
did you have Gautrain pre94
did you have a black CEO at SAA , accelormittal pre94
was bursary scheme the same per scholar pre94
was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94
was the SWC ever pre94 hosted by SA
was there any electricity in the rural areas
was there any tap water in the rural areas
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Bohlale1
@Moffdat, thank you what a positive constructive critisism adn advice!!!!!!Poverty is an eternal human condition, the only time you can take the wrap for it is if you've been granted eternal life. No country in the world is without poverty
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And South Africa is better than other countries in terms poverty, infrastructure etc. Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for you country.
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Kaylae
The only thing that the ANC successfully did was to waste our money renaming streets,hospitals,bridges,towns etc....and ofcourse grants...they cab't even build a mere decent RDP house.the 4 rooms back then are far much better than the soon collapsing RDP houses,tjeeer the potholes come to MP its blo@dy pathetic its like a swimming poolReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@corneliusThis is one of the most distressing things I have read in a long while. The ANC has failed the economy,and the black masses, not because its policies are not " radical" enough, but because of corruption, poor management, cadre deployment, wasteful expenditure, etc.
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This is IT! how come so called intellectuals in the anc not have seen this coming, of course with exception of Moeletsi Mbeki he warned the anc of its pitfalls timeously but unfortunately the anc has not ability to take constructive criticism on board,
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Tikoloshe
1tsotsi...Tsotsi, you don't normally make sense but in this case you are right. There is this new tendancy of collective public responsibility for their stupidity which is very annoying!!! Malema must be included in this very bad habit, sorry to burst your bubble!!!!!
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MorenaWaPoleloBuc4life
Lets agree to disagree Dear., and remember I will lobby you to vote for the ANC when the time comes!
Thanks for the Debate
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Im a hard nut to crack, and I never entertain mediocrity.
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KeRataBasadi
Yeah, talk is cheap madafakas. We can't eat words.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Kaylae, what else were they supposed to do? these ppl had no vision from the onset they thought to a ministers and president is to fraudulently amass wealth for oneself and those connected to them, I sit here today and laughing cause many voters were warned against anc destruction of not only this country but ordinary SAns lives, now everyone is standing at the brink of total bankruptcy, even now we are doing nothing to stir the ship to the right direction, hence minister of education got away with denying children of SA education in limpopo and the EC thus condemning these kids into futures of being perpetual slaves. But then my friends, if ppl can not see the signs then they must feel the effects, cause really its that simply we all knew that anc is a self centred super corrupt regime which has no interest of the country to heart and yet majority of SAns voted for this, so whatever it is coming away we would have fully deserve it,Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
You failed to rebuild the economy but able to line up your pockets with "BEE" money.......... construction companies, the lot...........................Stop spewing dribble you kimono dragon ........... but that should be expected from you as kimono dragon's saliva is poisonous................
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MorenaWaPolelo
Buc4lifeIm a hard nut to crack, and I never entertain mediocrity
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Like I said dear when the time comes now is not the time!!!
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jnrb
Oh please when will you get it into your thick head that it is not about the resources under the ground but HOW you manage it. In terms of its untapped mineral wealth, the Democratic Republic of Congo is one of the richest countries in the world. Its untapped deposits of raw minerals are estimated to be worth in excess of US$ 24 trillion. . (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/specialsales/spotlight/congo/diamond.html). Yet citizens of the DRC are among the poorest in the world, having the second lowest nominal GDP per capita. The money never reaches the people. Why? Idiotic, selfish, incompetent leaders WHO ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES. It is not much different in South Africa.Report Abuse
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Hosh6
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraRespect the elders the Kinky one tltltltltltlt don't call uncle gwede a komodo dragon neh
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Danielrjvvuren
Isn't this what we have been saying the entire week? And the fact that we strike and some citizens entice violence and hate speech doesn't help us keep international investors on pace, but in the end we inherited a broken system so what did we really expect to happen?Report Abuse
CB045
"ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe admitted that the party had failed to negotiate a better deal when the party ascended to power in 1994"Mr Mantashe, I salute you on your brutal honesty. It is good to seen political figures come clean after 18 years of continual governance. Sir, now that you have come clean, you will gain much support if you were to join the DA and assist them in undoing the wrongs your party have committed. You have nothing to lose but a lot to gain, should you later decide to return to the ANC fold.
But talking are for women... er, well for men as well. What the public would really like to see is the scaling down of salaries in government so that people found guilty of corruption don't continually fight to retain their jobs and are thrown into prison like the rest of the public. Also, these lavish cars, helicoptor and personal aircraft rides should come to an end as it is terribly wasteful. If the reason is that is faster, then plan your journey earlier, much the same as motorists plan their trip to work. Lastly, those caught with corruption in government or who have police records should not work in government and 'deployment' should not be an option. They have to get off the train, as no more gravy is being served! Perhaps one is powerless to enforce changes now seeing our leader has a dubious record (and those close to him), but we pray that a time will come when honesty and integrity will prevail and South African can be a proud nation where citizens would be as patriotic as the Americans and get on well with other races as in Singapore. (For this to happen, you have to treat Whites as you do Blacks)
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Mantashe hits out at tender system, BEE !XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Mantashe if u have children i can bet that they have benefitted from this system .... What r u going to about it now that ya children are BENEFICIARIES !
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Is BEE bad or is it ZEE that we find most objectionable?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Mantashe didn't even have to tell us that the anc regime has failed our economy we knew this, many also suggested that anc will take SA same direction (trend) of other failed countries in this continent thus subjecting SAn citizens into poverty, it was also interesting to note that African politicians die in the Western hospitals as they have failed to develop health infrastructure in teh continent, apparently the president of Ethiopia died in the hospital in Brussels, what a pathetic pathetic creature called president, I often wonder if our president will die in SA or will die else where seeking medical health?Report Abuse
Moffdat
jnrbKindly provide some form of elaboration on how you consider RSA and Congo to be in the same basket of rotten apples? I implore you.
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Bohlale1
@MorenaWaPoleloBohlale1
Ha ha ha ha ha ha do not be emotional my chief!!!!
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Hade Bro... neh this people have always seen a black man as incompetent in everything.. You will see them with they accent acting as white as they are and we expect them to run over us.... I wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
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Dandanwhat was the GDP per capita pre 94 blahblahblablhablh
Prices go up every year so it was maybe lower, think dude think. What was the rand value pre 94?
was SA part of UN pre94 ------ No, but the country did great
was SA member of BRICS pre94 ----- hheheheh, what does this help.
did you have Gautrain pre94 -- No, we had a working rail system, build and made in SA, not international companies building it like the Gautrain. It could of been made in SA but your goverment closed those parts of transnet.
did you have a black CEO at SAA , accelormittal pre94 Did SAA show losses pre 94, NO, it was one of the best airlines in the world, servicing some of the biggest operators in the worlds aircraft. No it must be bailed out by the tax payer because of incompetence.
was bursary scheme the same per scholar pre94 --- No, quality of education was way better though with some of the best doctors coming from SA
was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity.
was the SWC ever pre94 hosted by SA --- Who the f*&k cares, it only cost billions with extra corruption for your cronies and it is still costing us money. EISH. our soccer team is also not something to brag about.
was there any electricity in the rural areas --- Does all the rural areas today have? a better government could have sorted this problem much earlier in keeping the standards of pre 94.
was there any tap water in the rural areas --- Still not in, again, a better government that does not want to line their own pockets could have had the job done by now.
Dude, really.
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Dandan
@somaartakeitI often wonder if our president will die in SA or will die else where seeking medical health?
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whhich part of the woprld are you from, Dr Mandela has been from Jhb to Nqunu for medical conditions and he will die here emzansi you are fool you know
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@Moffdat for one, sex crime in SA is as bad if not worse as that of Congo, and our leaders are pawning our mineral resources just like kabila is doing to congo and the gains are not ploughed back to the ppl, so these are some similarities btwn SA and Congo, I can write more, but time is not on my side.Report Abuse
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Bohlale1- wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
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That would be great for international business, DOHHHHHHHHHHH, OOOHHHH YES.
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Mzabalazo
Bit by bit you guys are admitting that you are messing up, that is not enough but you are getting there.Report Abuse
Moffdat
SOLUTIONSAll statistics pre-1994 were garbage only meant to influence SAs and the international community that apartheid was a productive system. The reason we are in this mess in the first place is because we are trying to fix a problem which had no business being created. We were sold out and now we are trying to buy ourselves back... the irony
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somaartakeit
@Voetzek, how is nationalisation of mines going to help our economy as malema suggests? please you guys take us in your confidence so we don't have to doubt these malema calls as just another grandioso, in the same vain that he is self grandiosing in Marikana right now, malema like zuma can be a pathetic at the worse of times . Sadly as foolishness reigns supreme in SA we have these 2 clowns called leaders, what a sad state of affairs,Report Abuse
Bohlale1
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- wish we could write all this policies in our African langauges, in XHOSA, ZULU, PEDI, TSWANA, VENDA etc.
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That would be great for international business, DOHHHHHHHHHHH, OOOHHHH YES.
Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!!
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MoffdatAll statistics pre-1994 were garbage only meant to influence SAs and the international community that apartheid was a productive system. The reason we are in this mess in the first place is because we are trying to fix a problem which had no business being created. We were sold out and now we are trying to buy ourselves back... the irony
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Dude, please give us the stats of who owns the most businesses in SA, one does also not just get a business, it takes hard work, dedication and more hard work.
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ClarkKent123
These ANC leaders are a bunch of lieing, cheating, idiots...they think they can fool all South Africans. they have all made their pockets fat now they want to admit they F... up. they are all corrupted, it took the country almost 20years to where we are now(nowhere) how long will it take to get somewhere another 100years.
get the F... out of here
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Dandan
@SOLUTIONSwas there any freedom of the press pre94, how did you know SAA was run prifitable, you are fool how would you rate SA pre94 as the best country when it was isolated with sanctions
I m here Kwa Nongoma with my laptop and iPad where there was no electricity during your apartheid masters dont tell us us nonsense that the anc has done nothing we are happy with anc
"was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity. " shame idiot , are you telling me this was all about marality, shame silly,ignorant, stupid,fool, what was apartheid all about when denying bl.ack people to make loans in order to start businesses, do you think entrepreneurs were only w.hites you are sick
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Pointman
Here we go - blaming the blameless. The government has had revenues of over R650bn a year (in recent years) in central government and many billions more in municipal taxes to help the poor and they messed it up by cadre deployment - putting the money in the hands of the corrupt and inept. Now they are looking for a whipping boy.Report Abuse
WarrenG
Yip pal you have failed to build the economy. Too much theft and corruption in your party.It's like trying to build a house when the brick are getting stolen left right and center...you end up getting rained on.
Or you end up with no toilet. Ha ha ha...so easy to see but most of the voters are blind. kwa kwa kwa
ANC is a joke. Nxa
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MommaC
SOLUTIONSThe Rand value was around 6.6 pre 1994
The fact that 90% of our population were not being used/allowed to construct a working economy and we had international sanctions whereby the only forex coming in was via China and Russia (ironically) makes the entire comparison irrelevant. Apples and pears.
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MAGAZA
@MorenaWaPolelo..............let's face reallity.......just once my brother....nnete ya nyakaga sometimes. Our econony is hanging on the edge of a cliff.Report Abuse
Dandan
@WarrenGANC is a joke. Nxa
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dont bite the hand that feeds you, the anc fought for you in order to have a better job together with your w.ife and children, the anc does nt owe you, all the opportunities blocked by w.hites the anc gave it to you, dont go around blaming the anc whereas your father dint evn take part to free you
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somaartakeit@Moffdat for one, sex crime in SA is as bad if not worse as that of Congo, and our leaders are pawning our mineral resources just like kabila is doing to congo and the gains are not ploughed back to the ppl, so these are some similarities btwn SA and Congo, I can write more, but time is not on my side.
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Without a proper functional judicial system i would argue that not all crimes are reported in the DRC. I think given that you would see a significant disparity between our stats and theirs. Going to the second point you made, the DME has legislation governing mining of all mineral resources. One of which is that a percentage of profits should be given back to the surrounding community. There are plenty of corporation going to court because they haven't followed these laws. However the one we know about every democratic state is that the judicial system is timeous.
p.s.kindly excuse any spelling mistake i'm doing some work at the moment
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Dandanwas there any freedom of the press pre94, how did you know SAA was run prifitable, you are fool how would you rate SA pre94 as the best country when it was isolated with sanctions --
I worked for them from 1996, please go and google on when the first time was that SAA run into debt. When your government took over.
I m here Kwa Nongoma with my laptop and iPad where there was no electricity during your apartheid masters dont tell us us nonsense that the anc has done nothing we are happy with anc
I am here close to makoko, mahush in kabokweni, houses until today has no running water and electricity.
"was the banks allowed bl.ack ppl to make loans pre94 Dude this is simple stuff you are talking about, bringing in open for all races is not an improvement in the way of how SA is run, it is a moral activity. " shame idiot , are you telling me this was all about marality, shame silly,ignorant, stupid,fool, what was apartheid all about when denying bl.ack people to make loans in order to start businesses, do you think entrepreneurs were only w.hites you are sic
Dude, I agree 100% Apartheid was bad, but you fail to see how your government is a fup, at least the Apartheid gov. looked after their people, can we say the same about the anc. Wake up and smell the corruption, nepotism and lies, if you want to talk about an idiot, look in the mirror. They only look after themselves, they know they must do a little to keep idiots like yourself happy to vote for them.. Feed idiotic lies so that idiots believe them.
This country could have been a example to the world, now it is the laughing stock because of people like you.
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Bohlale1Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!!
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For people like me who owns a company that does business with international people, I see incompetence in your comments, spare them for your 35 year old youth, youth league friends, they might understand it.
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Makhosini0408
When your government took over. (you people, you guys, liberals?)Some things will never change, period
(Ezinye izinto angeke zijike)
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Spekepeke
This ANC is full of complete IDIOTSI'm so disgusted with this mother fcukers
Time for change in the leadership
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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Minerals form part of all stuff were under apartheid gov's armpit,lastly an idiot is someone who can just think that everything is impossible,but you clever boy.
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Mines were operating under apartheid exactly like they are now, I know I am clever, I am also a realist and do not rely on other people to make up my mind, I look at facts, facts shows that your anc are incompetent to the extend of no return. The only way SA can go forward is if we get another party.
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As long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
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Sinudeity_
Bohlale1 - "I am getting very irritate by you comments!!!! ANC is here to stay whether you like it or not. So stuff your insults, just because its a black man in government it doesnt give you right to insult him like that!"LOL, no its not. The ANC is busy dying it. Its losing about 10% of votes each election. The bi-elections have been HAMMERING the ANC. In most bi-elections, the DA increased by 30-40%.
Dont care if its a black government. I care that its a black and incompetent government.
Lithuli is on fire.
We dont need no water let the motherf***er burn.
Burn motherf***er.
Burn.
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Dandan
@SOLUTIONSDo you know BJ Vorster, why was he fired
Do you know Dr John Smth , why was he killed, by who , for what good reasons
what did the apartheid of yours did to the people of mokoko, kabokweni,
are you telling us the anc must fix all the problems in one day whereas your apartheid masters took 350 to destroy the country
The anc is looking after me if I can use laptop and iPad in the bushes of nongoma, the aprtheid cared for its people by stealing from bl.ack tax payers in order to build infrastrcture for only wh.ite ppl , over a period of 350yrs
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Sinudeity_
Dandan - "relly , compared to whom, you must be sick cant you see the yard stick between pre94 and post 94"Who are you comparing the ANC to? Communist Russia? Cuba?
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mjimara
LoMantashe lo and his group should have known when they took power that trying to be modest would not be good for the masses of South Africa. They needed to take Low Road - a radical and unpopular approach to economic transformation but they decided to take the High Road.The ANC Group has messed up the country.
The current leadership is worse.
BEE has failed.
Equity has not achieved most of the desired ad intended goal. It has been easy for the white males to circumvent the equity and BEE policies. White men use equity to gain access to economic control through their wives and their female business partners. In extreme cases white women and men use their domestic workers - maids and garners - and low ranking employees in their companies to win tenders and so on. There are small tenders which do not require adjudication, white managers in government give them to their Broederbond brothers.
Below all of these - the black men and women in Soweto, KwaMashu, Tembisa, Khayelitsha, Magogoe Tar and Koi Koi, Qunu, Mqanduli, Hillbrow, Sannieshof, etc, starve and nobody cares.
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Dandan
@SOLUTIONSanother interesting story tell us why were you fired form SAA , was it because of EEA thats the reasons you are so angry with anc, sorry dont di.e of hear attack
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepeAs long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
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I agree with you on most, I have my business and do not want to go into any affiliation with any other business black or white, I have no problem in providing guidance to anyone who wants it but black businesses only came to me to make them stronger but there is nothing in it for me. Why would I want to share. I must also work direct with public or overseas organisations. White businesses did not isolate themselves from government, government had only one thing in mind AA/BEE and white businesses had to do their own thing hence I do not blame them for also keeping their distance.
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Dandananother interesting story tell us why were you fired form SAA , was it because of EEA thats the reasons you are so angry with anc, sorry dont di.e of hear attack
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Dude, I was not fired from SAA, the little money I made then I saved to study and went into IT for 11 years. AA made me resign because brotha's and sista's had to get the positions, best move I made, today I sit with my own company and does not have to answer to anyone except myself. Another great story of AA, now I get slammed because my business is white owned, Aaai, the irony.
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Moffdat
Solutionsyou will do good to note that the world airlines are all in the same trouble. Without government intervention is the airline industry most airlines today would be none existent. Airline industry is necessary but not profitable.
Keeping an entire population ignorant of the present,future and past is not caring. How many white people have suffered as a result
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MommaC
DandanYou had an iPad and a laptop pre 1994?
Can I borrow your time machine sometime?
Why are you and Solutions so hell bent and determined to try and compare apples with pears? We can't compare the two phases of SA. Firstly, the situation is completely different and secondly, the Nats were better at muzzling the press than the ANC are.
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DandanDo you know BJ Vorster, why was he fired
Do you know Dr John Smth , why was he killed, by who , for what good reasons
what did the apartheid of yours did to the people of mokoko, kabokweni,
are you telling us the anc must fix all the problems in one day whereas your apartheid masters took 350 to destroy the country
The anc is looking after me if I can use laptop and iPad in the bushes of nongoma, the aprtheid cared for its people by stealing from bl.ack tax payers in order to build infrastrcture for only wh.ite ppl , over a period of 350yrs
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You obviously missed my whole point which I am not surprised at, anc did their part, they must go now because the country is going back to apartheid, you mentioned freedom of press earlier, what is the anc fighting for. Your problem is the anc is not caring about the people anymore, they did their part, go and read up on history, nowhere has a liberation party showed success. It is time for a change to get competent people in power, else we sit with another apartheid situation, the problem is you are to thick to see this apartheid is between goverment and the people and not race groups.
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Decibels
This is exactly what the ANCYL under President Malema has been saying all along that the sunset clause is over and it's time for the sunrise clause....but what did you do??You blamed them for chasing away 'white'votes'(which in my pricelesss opinion WILL FOREVER BE USELESS as long as they want to retain the status quo), Zuma said we know nothing about the Freedom Charter, you took our Leaders to a DC hearing for adopting radical policies and upsetting big business then you fired them, now you want adopt radical policies so you can remain relevant?....YOU ARE GOING MANTASHE.
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DJWinner
Sowetan can't face the truth. Now you blocked comments under Obama article. Well, it is not news worthy. That is the fact.Report Abuse
Dandan
@MommaCthe problem you are stupid, and you will remain so, the iPad/laptop suggests I have electricity in Nongoma I can charge it, this stupid brother of yours came with nonsense of saying the anc has no clue to take this country forward, my take was lets look at the transision period, to date
stop being foolish use your brains analytically or shut up
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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As long the factors who destruct the growth of economy in this country dont relate with the ruling party we'll never see any light in economic growth.Whites businesses have isolated themselves from the gov and black businesses which kills the growth economically,since most whites know better in international trade they were supposed to be the strength and channel of our small local businesses but if u're an african is a hell the get business in whites businesses.
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I agree with you on most, I have my business and do not want to go into any affiliation with any other business black or white, I have no problem in providing guidance to anyone who wants it but black businesses only came to me to make them stronger but there is nothing in it for me. Why would I want to share. I must also work direct with public or overseas organisations. White businesses did not isolate themselves from government, government had only one thing in mind AA/BEE and white businesses had to do their own thing hence I do not blame them for also keeping their distance.
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Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Kakkakakkakakkakakkakakkakakkaka bafana bana ba makgowa ba tleng mona ba mpolaya maan!LOLReport Abuse
Bohlale1
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Nah that will be only be meant for people like you who always see incompetence in everything****** its information secrecy if you wanna put it that way cos you dont even intent on knowing even a single african language!!!!
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For people like me who owns a company that does business with international people, I see incompetence in your comments, spare them for your 35 year old youth, youth league friends, they might understand it.
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It shows you how ignorant and selfish you will always remain!!!!!!! I dont need to explain myself any further. Mourn about our government incompetency forever and we will one day see you crawling in the streeting begging for food. Do you want to get tenders government or eventually be in power and control again.. Nah it aint gonna work like that, like I have mentioned I dont expect ANC to do anything for me but for my fellow South Africans, black, white etc and those who are not sitting and expecting everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malema will be coming back in due course, and I cant waiting to see the look on your face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......I am telling you the way you are acting right now, you would wish you were never been born in Mzansi!!!!! I dont like him that much but he has his good points sometimes.
Look South Africa is such a nice country, people here are so full of life, we are happy here besides the hick ups that will always be around in every country.. Just loosen up a bid!!!!! go out meet people, make a black friend and transform stop being so uptied. GOD gave you life to live, thats you freedom!!!!!
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THEmadame2B-BBEE
The past discriminating domestic politics of South Africa piloted by the Apartheid regime waged inequality between the black and white people of the country. This essay addresses the politics of race in a non-democratic state, economic participation and concludes on providing critical analysis of BEE policy advocated in bridging the gap between the previously disadvantage community. The paper evokes the hypothesis by Fanon, making emphasis on the critique by Moeletsi Mbeki on Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) which is seen as a political tool to benefit the “political leaders” of the country. The discussion shall lead into analysis of the BEE programme established by the ANC led government. The paper will engage in the empirical evidence that will provide analysis on the prospect of BEE and its original objective............................so who wnat me to send them my paper!
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Moffdatyou will do good to note that the world airlines are all in the same trouble. Without government intervention is the airline industry most airlines today would be none existent. Airline industry is necessary but not profitable.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAH>, this is the best joke I have ever heard, dude, do you listen to yourself? Please do yourself a favour and go and check how many privately owned airlines is out there, a company that is not in it for profit. Lolololollololololllol, You must think SAA is only there to fly your incompetent president.
Keeping an entire population ignorant of the present,future and past is not caring. How many white people have suffered as a result.
All white people and black people are suffering in SA today due to corruption and incompetence, if money gets lost for incompetence and corruption, do you think they just write it off or must it come from somewhere?
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ProudlyNigerian
Get rid of corruption and nepotism in Government and everything will fall into place.People should read more about Thomas Sankara ,probably Africa's greatest leader ever.Report Abuse
MommaC
DandanWow. Aren't you just a little bag of sunshine this morning? Guess you didn't get your Kellogs.
I am delighted that you have electricity in Nongoma. Hopefully a school nearby also has a roof, toilets, books and a teacher or two. Of course you could look that up on your 1983 iPad and compare it with what was around the area before that.
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Sinudeity_
Decibels - LOL, no, you want to maintain the status quo. You dont want to create businesses. You want to take over someone elses businesses.You will forever be poor.
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JohnStone
@CB045Youa and other brainless fellows commenting herein must chill. The ANC did not mess up the country, they just coldn't fix the already messed up country with a constitution that guaranteed property to those who killed and forcefully dispacled the natives to gain land.
I am more happy with the ANC admitting the shortcomings of the ANC led govt in addressing what we identified as problems from our past since 1994. There is this mistaken belief by the the minority the ANC "inherited a functional state in 1994". Yes, there were areas wherein the then govt exelled simply because those who worked or resided there were WHITE. I lived under apartheid and was excluded from studying what
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THEmadame2B-BBEE*raises hand* I do I do!!!
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P4T
Mr Mantashe sir, yes the ANC made fumbles post 1994 and that which you are saying is a Fact. However, instead of it getting better, (i.e finding its weaknesses, shortcomings and threats) its getting worse (i.e finding solutions to such weaknesses, shortcomings and threats).Some of the ANC loving people have even stopped defending the ANC because it is making fumbles after fumbles and now one doesn't even know what to say no more - to the benefit of ANC's detractors. Sometimes even when the ANC talks sense it is difficult to hear it because of the comedy of errors it makes that are more than doing that which is good for itself and the South African public.
Humble plea: the ANC should looks itself in the mirror in a very critical eye and corrects itself even if it is to the detriment of certain influencial individuals in the party. That's the only way it will sustain itself. But if the downward spiralling graph and its gradient stays the same, the party ain't gonna stay and that will be a loss for everybody.
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Can't wait for 19h30 tonight.KHOSI 4 LIFE.
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Bohlale1It shows you how ignorant and selfish you will always remain!!!!!!! I dont need to explain myself any further. Mourn about our government incompetency forever and we will one day see you crawling in the streeting begging for food. Do you want to get tenders government or eventually be in power and control again.. Nah it aint gonna work like that, like I have mentioned I dont expect ANC to do anything for me but for my fellow South Africans, black, white etc and those who are not sitting and expecting everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malema will be coming back in due course, and I cant waiting to see the look on your face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......I am telling you the way you are acting right now, you would wish you were never been born in Mzansi!!!!! I dont like him that much but he has his good points sometimes.
Look South Africa is such a nice country, people here are so full of life, we are happy here besides the hick ups that will always be around in every country.. Just loosen up a bid!!!!! go out meet people, make a black friend and transform stop being so uptied. GOD gave you life to live, thats you freedom!!!!
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Dude, you wrote a lot with no contents, I also want good for my fellow South Africans, I am just not so thick to know that the anc is not capable of it, I also do not want tenders from the government, I am doing fine by myself. I also don't want to be in power, I want competent people to be in power, not this filth that you call leaders.
Saying you want the best for South Africans and you mention corrupt fat boy who can't even pay his taxes and garden boy to come back. The mind boggles, another person who calls himself a youth and he is over 30. I don't know if I must cry or laugh at your comment. He can come back, if he wants to chase me out it is fine, I don't care, I have a little nest and will start somewhere else over again. no problem.
I cannot loosen up if people are stealing from me, how stupid must you be, must they first come into your house and take your belongings before you realise they are stealing from you. Will you also tel malema and zuma and cronies, "yes please take my new tv" ?
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@TangoCan't wait for 19h30 tonight.
KHOSI 4 LIFE.
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U're lost papa the article is not about 19H30 tonight.tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltl
Sundowns 4-Chiefs 0 tonight's results.
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Pointman
@PT4 - you kind of hit the nail on the head. Gwede's speech smacks of desperation from a failing organisation because of its internal. weaknesses and lack of vision. If the deal done in 1994 was weak then it would have shown up within a few years - not 18 years later.Report Abuse
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huh, thanks Lavo, ok, moff, email address pleaseReport Abuse
Dandan
@SOLUTIONSso you dnt want to argue with me now, tell me why were you fired at SAA again explain to me you know the story of Jhb Airport how the land was acquired , remind us, were you part of that deal
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepeWhy're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them.
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The ANC is lucky. It has VERY gullable supporters. It can f*** up as much as it likes and they can just keep on blaming white folks.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
"No education before economic liberation!"LOL
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Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them.
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lol @# SOLUTION Where black included in every deal during the apartheid regime???? We we to start with excluded from getting a better eduation..... And yet you start complaing about our short comings, deal with it... Ei ngwana o maaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nkotekapeleketatile
Er...What if I told you all that the ANC and all the Opposition parties are controlled by the same ellite???Report Abuse
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Bohlale1lol @# SOLUTION Where black included in every deal during the apartheid regime???? We we to start with excluded from getting a better eduation..... And yet you start complaing about our short comings, deal with it... Ei ngwana o maaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I started my company 2 years ago, so FU and F your government. I was never able to vote pre 1994.
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Moffdat
SOLUTIONSBritish airway, American airlines, the list goes on and on! and on... Airline are in trouble wherever you go.
The industry is not as profitable as it used to be but it is necesarry. The aforementioned is a fact and not up for discussion!
I'm afraid some of your responses make you seen pro-apartheid and oblivious to the progress of your fellow africans. Many people blame the government for their current condition, expecting handouts and giving up their right to self-determination and labelling all who exercise this socio-economic right as corrupt.
This is the common trait amongst the illiterate!
p.s. kindly excuse all errors as i'm really busy right now
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Dandanso you dnt want to argue with me now, tell me why were you fired at SAA again explain to me you know the story of Jhb Airport how the land was acquired , remind us, were you part of that deal
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Dude, let me and you get something straight, I was never able to vote pre 94, I am also not happy with what apartheid did, but I am not going to blame everything on apartheid that is happening today because it is for stupid people like you. I was not fired at SAA,, i saved the little money I made to study and go into IT, 11 years into IT and AA policies helped me nothing except a few incompetent people that had friends in the company, I had enough and started my own business, the first one did not work, but I did not go and lie down and cry and demand, I got up dust myself off and am happy with my 2 year old business, I only have to answer to myself now. The irony is that now I and many white people like myself get slammed because our businesses is 100% white owned by idiots like the yl.
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YOU failed bcoz you are incompetent. Finish aad klaar.Report Abuse
Moffdat
THEmadame2B-BBEEMoffdat@yahoo.com // Moffdat@ymail.com
I set them up for your dissertation. it better be good... lol
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Conclusion of my paper“The colonized subject is upgraded, and attempts are made to disarm him psychologically and, naturally with a few coins” (Fanon). The BEE led by political elites is no exception here. In Fanon and Steve Biko’s language, the South African government should talk about economic liberation for the Previously Disadvantaged Individuals. How it should approach this, Fanon would say ‘we need a consistent social structure that serves the human needs of society’. While insisting on a transcending, forward system to BEE with a backward attitude in addressing the issue of race, class and inequality. Would subscribe to the famous isiXhosa maxim ‘what goes out the front door comes in the back window’. The government has to be idealistic when dealing with the prosperity of the policy such at BEE. To conclude the intent is to provide as much information the sort of society South African government is producing and from what class. It is imperative that the government and donors of BEE and other economic policies calculate their priority carefully. They themselves will end up being confused with the unstable situation of the much intended policy, while the promises for a better life become precedent of the past. At this point perhaps the enquiries lead into scepticism. Point is that in wont be long until the South African community witness a revolutionary movement imposed by another black-class segregated scheme. From the very same black people who were at first classless or were upgraded by BEE to their upper position.
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On serious note WHO REALLY WANTS MY PAPER
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British airway, American airlines, the list goes on and on! and on... Airline are in trouble wherever you go.
The industry is not as profitable as it used to be but it is necesarry. The aforementioned is a fact and not up for discussion!
I'm afraid some of your responses make you seen pro-apartheid and oblivious to the progress of your fellow africans. Many people blame the government for their current condition, expecting handouts and giving up their right to self-determination and labelling all who exercise this socio-economic right as corrupt.
This is the common trait amongst the illiterate!
p.s. kindly excuse all errors as i'm really busy right now
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You are obviously incapable of reading, you must remember it is not only government businesses that ask for bail outs, private companies can do it as well, but that money must come from somewhere, but private owned businesses must pay that money back where your incompetent SAA just sit back at eat our tax money as is your EISHKOM.
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Dandan
@SOLUTIONShow would you call others incompetent whereas your business crashed , being competent how did it crashed
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
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Why're you not blaming them for keeping the distance,lol?
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Because goverment only want to enrich black owned businesses, why would I want to have anything to do with them if they want me to give a percentage of my hard work to someone just because he is black and have a connected politician. F them.
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The people shall share is the motto invented by all SA but i'm surprised to notice that we still have people like you Solution who say "to hell " with their hard work with disadvataged community.Lol eish!
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KWaaaaaaaaa, Moff, you crack me up, nay it’s not a dissertation, I just write for the fun of it, sure give me a sec, an ANC government agent is consulting with me, I’ll send it throughReport Abuse
Decibels
Sinudeity_Decibels - LOL, no, you want to maintain the status quo. You dont want to create businesses. You want to take over someone elses businesses.
You will forever be poor.
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A business that sustains itself and its wealth off our indigenous resources and sends the profits abroad is not a business it's a Colonialist looter/EXPLOITER..AS THE MALEMA GENERATION WE SAY NO MORE L.O.OTING!!!
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sexyghost
MicaParisYou think you are making a point when all you r doing is defending the indefensible.
Listen here boy: you and your incompetent comrades are taking this country down
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Dandan
I see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere my advice to you remove this color in your face adress everybody as friend or colleague, you dont have to an.gry with someone in order to get business deals be kind stop being rude, thats what we see with you wh.ite ppl therefater you claim of nepotism,croniesm, etc what makes you difference from bla.ck entrpreneurs is we bla.cks are so calm we network, we respect someone, unlike you who are so arrogant you must learn how to treat an africanReport Abuse
kamza79
@sinudeity..i so wish i can see or meet you the unfortunate part of meeting you will be that i will cut your balls with the edge of my hand till vervoer rise from the dead.......ur such a bast**d dats full of racism....nothing you say here goes without skin colours>>>>>>>
i hate a person who will address me as you people or your gorvenment.......you f***en whi.te boy!!!!
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@Dandanhow would you call others incompetent whereas your business crashed , being competent how did it crashed
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kikikikiki.....That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard this morning. kikiki....you are funny, very funny!
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@sexyghostMicaParis
You think you are making a point when all you r doing is defending the indefensible.
Listen here boy: you and your incompetent comrades are taking this country down
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was it up when, show us , since all what we know is that the country was left by De Klerk in huge debts
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Tasto
When we said we were short-changed\sold down river @ CODESA ,called names!!Ja neh ? Gwede who was the chief negotiator or political collective ?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Bohlale1Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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A=AfricanN=National
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Moffdat
SOLUTIONSYou comment not to find a means to an end but your replications are the end in themselves.
I feel it's unfair for citizens to continually hold their government vicariously liable for the evil they expell upon one another.
Well calibrated Intelligent responses are allowed!!!
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@SOLUTIONScannot loosen up if people are stealing from me, how stupid must you be, must they first come into your house and take your belongings before you realise they are stealing from you. Will you also tel malema and zuma and cronies, "yes please take my new tv" ?
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Man, you know that they will never literaly take your tv nor chase you away neh,lol? its just that South Africa has been through a lot from back then and it will take some time before we get back on our feet again....Ok, i just dont want to go into detail because they dont really concern me that much, even the taxes that I am paying I am fine with the little I have and I believe I am blessed but I dont want to own my government or something,, I see us having war in South Africa in the near future for pity things... Its like family fighting over its own food!!!!!
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@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Bohlale1
really , they are experts in exprts and imports realtions, where did they learn it alone , I thought Phutuma Nhleko is bla.ck Im shocked has turned to be wh.ite
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Decibels - "A business that sustains itself and its wealth off our indigenous resources and sends the profits abroad is not a business it's a Colonialist looter/EXPLOITER..AS THE MALEMA GENERATION WE SAY NO MORE L.O.OTING!!!"LOL, but its the ANC and Julius that are the looters.
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Intomb'omxhosa
' we've failed to rebuild the economy'ZuMantashe you've failed everything from shaving the beard to Lonmil Massacre
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DandanI see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere my advice to you remove this color in your face adress everybody as friend or colleague, you dont have to an.gry with someone in order to get business deals be kind stop being rude, thats what we see with you wh.ite ppl therefater you claim of nepotism,croniesm, etc what makes you difference from bla.ck entrpreneurs is we bla.cks are so calm we network, we respect someone, unlike you who are so arrogant you must learn how to treat an african
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lolololol, you network to steal from each other, this I experienced first hand when I helped a young black person to sustain his business, the elder blacks just made toast of him.One was his own uncle. Why am I angry that your incompetent and thieving bastards of an anc is stealing from the poor people of SA and they are to stupid to see it., I claim nepotism and cronies because the facts are there, it is only idiots like you with blinkers who does not want to see it.
I am involved in a scheme where more than a 1000 kids gets fed daily close to hazyview, Do you know how it breaks my heart to see these kids walking kilometers with wheelbarrows to get water. Here I blame your corrupt anc government and parents who should not have kids when in a poor household. Now what does the gullible do, they register for grants which your incompetent government give out freely, the more children the more money, why don't they do a work for food program which will ensure clean streets and a more productive society rather than a charity state?
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There were a lot of conserssions made prior the democratic dispansation and it was incumbent of the ANC to make some of these issue a priority then. 18 yrs down the line Mantashe has a nerve to tell people that they have failed. The like of SAKI, TOKYO and RAMAPHOSA new this even before we got democracy and played it to their advantage at the poeple's expence and to add you all knew this too.Economis freedom still has about 20yrs to see the light of day. This means that even my daughter's generation wont taste such a dispansation unless I ensure that my hand is also on the cookie jar.
I cry for poeple who still live below the bread line which is R6.50 per day. Their lives are doomed for the next 50 yrs which means its about 3 to 4 generations to come.
The ANC failed me and I am sure my vote wont go to waste when the time comes.
They have turned black people into Sales men to get money on commission. We beat each other for one slice of the pie. Now if that is the gorvenance that they wanted for Blacks they got it.
Now they are trying to come up with a strategy that Trevor Manuals cooked up to pull a wool on poeples eyes but its a bit late because poeple mostly the youth are fed up with promised that yield nothing for black people.
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MoffdatYou comment not to find a means to an end but your replications are the end in themselves.
I feel it's unfair for citizens to continually hold their government vicariously liable for the evil they expell upon one another.
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Who must I blame if your corrupt government is stealing?
Well calibrated Intelligent responses are allowed!!!
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please provide them and not the dribble you give.
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DandanI see you going no where with your mentality, if you still angry ,not forgiven yourself , in business world ppl like you go nowhere
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for this one, I already have international ties, so the day your government f ups this country like zim was f uped with the same mentality, I have a place to go to, don't worry.
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really , they are experts in exprts and imports realtions, where did they learn it alone , I thought Phutuma Nhleko is bla.ck Im shocked has turned to be wh.ite
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Throw another black guys you knw who do better in international trade.
Do you knw how did he reach that level,Phutuma Nhleko,?
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Kindly provide some form of elaboration on how you consider RSA and Congo to be in the same basket of rotten apples? I implore you.@ Moffdat
Well if you want to split hairs, they are both in Africa, both have vast mineral wealth, huge disparities in income, both plagued by poverty etc. The point I was trying to make is that having mineral wealth only, is no guarantee that poverty will be alleviated. You have to manage the resources well to unlock the value. Go read up on the history of the DRC i.e. Pres Mabuto Seseseko a.k.a the “Great plunderer” and see where poor management gets you. Then go and look at a country like Switzerland who has very little mineral wealth, yet has amongst the highest standards of living in the world. Their economy is based on financial services, tourism, watch making, consumer products like chocolat etc. That requires skills and a govt that creates an environment that lets the economy prosper. A Government with vision - not one that merely enriches a small elite.
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hahahahahaha MantasheYour ANC agreed to all the terms and conditions at 1994 because you very much know that it was the only way you and your ANC could bath yourselves in ever lasting wealth.
You milked the system from 1994...............and now that all the money is gone, blacks are poorer, noone is educated...............now you want to us that you have failed???
You knew all along what you were doing, you took a massive loan out at the expense of the black majority to which your loan would be held accountable against white capital.
The quicker the black majority votes you parasites out of government, the better this country will be.
Freedom fighters should have never been allowed to run this country, because we all know, the fighters fought for money and nothing else.
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@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeso do you want to take his achievement away
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Bohlale1Man, you know that they will never literaly take your tv nor chase you away neh,lol? its just that South Africa has been through a lot from back then and it will take some time before we get back on our feet again....Ok, i just dont want to go into detail because they dont really concern me that much, even the taxes that I am paying I am fine with the little I have and I believe I am blessed but I dont want to own my government or something,, I see us having war in South Africa in the near future for pity things... Its like family fighting over its own food!!!!!
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But it is as good as if they take your tv and keep it for themselves. the taxes they steal and the incompetence creates more poverty, there could be more people who is happy with what they have instead of sitting with nothing. We need a solution to this, the solution is to get someone else in power and show these thugs that they are not irreplaceable, they can be voted back the next time to show them that the people is fed up with poor services. Like I said earlier, and you can go and do research, no liberation party has taken any country forward.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Bohlale1
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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Yes thats why we have to be transparent in everything we do so that they keep us on track!!!! Yazi, these people underestimate the power of a black man....i just hope they will know better if we write every policy ka sesotho, xhosa, zulu, pedi etc, lol.
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Dandan
@The-RothschildsNo does nt say that, you failed to read his statement the point is:
during Mandelas era SA was is huge debts, until T Mbaki revived the economy of this counry, in actual fact there was nothing left by stupid fools in 1994 all left was debt, the money was spent of SADF .
What Mantasha is sayng is we are very slow to distribute the economy equitable, the most urgent thing to be done is to expropriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done
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@Bohlale1
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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Yes thats why we have to be transparent in everything we do so that they keep us on track!!!! Yazi, these people underestimate the power of a black man....i just hope they will know better if we write every policy ka sesotho, xhosa, zulu, pedi etc, lol.
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Che sesotho,xhosa,zulu,pedi ect mos le rona jwale re tla be re se re ba kwalla ka ntle,se re se hlokang ho bo na ha jwale ke ho ba nyanya tsebo pele.
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Moffdat
SOLUTIONSYour entertainment value has descended lower than your logic and common sense at this point!!!!
Unless you are allergic to Casein, Asbestine, Agalite or Talc (which i suspect you are) - RAB!!!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepeApartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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You are the funny one, I keep away from government and black businesses because of payment issues, proven over and over again. Also if I want to do business with government I must give 49% of my business to a black person. WTF is up with that, I started 2 years ago with this business, I work hard to get what I want, giving 49% away, for what. Look at the great quality of rdp houses because of tenders given to cronies and incompetent people, not to black businesses who is qualified for the job. So your government is the reason that growth of black businesses is not so good,
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MommaC
DandanThere wasn't 'huge debts'. There was a forex cash flow crisis but the country didn't owe then as much as it does now.
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The-Rothschilds
Dandan@The-Rothschilds
No does nt say that, you failed to read his statement the point is:
during Mandelas era SA was is huge debts, until T Mbaki revived the economy of this counry, in actual fact there was nothing left by stupid fools in 1994 all left was debt, the money was spent of SADF .
What Mantasha is sayng is we are very slow to distribute the economy equitable, the most urgent thing to be done is to expropriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done
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Left with nothing? hahaha I suppose all South Africans drove donkey carts in 1994 and we all took a dump in the nearest river? And we used elephant trails as roads? You are a complete idiot, no offense.
As for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year.
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MoffdatSOLUTIONS
Your entertainment value has descended lower than your logic and common sense at this point!!!!
At least I have some, you did not have an entertainment value to start with, no logic or common sense, one needs a brain for this.
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SOLUTIONS
Here is another one for you dedicated anc people, WOW.http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/wasting-money
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@DandanKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
so do you want to take his achievement away.
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Ag! for what good reason,may be the channel he used to get throught will open your eyes to see how difficult it is to relate with whites in economic level and what I know about whites business men they dont give business to black business men where the benefit will be mutual,they always have to top you then you get the their business partnership.
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The-RothschildsAs for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year.
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The best part is they are importing from Zambia, making farmers rich they chased away, these little idiots in SA does not understand the poverty and the amount of people dying of hunger in zim. They think it is all a myth and propaganda by the west.
dandan
opriate land as we see in Zimbabwe thats is the curcial thing to be done
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The whole time I thought you are an idiot, this just removed all hesitance, yes you are.
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Dandan
@KatakataEmaotoAditsheperubish , you are lying, not all bl.ack entrepreneurs are fronting for wh.ite men, there is Maponya are you telling me again is topped by w.hite mcxxxm
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MommaC
SOLUTIONSShould have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
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Moffdat
jnrbI think that is a very unfair comparison but
I agree with everthing you said and i will go and read up on DRC. All i know about Sesoko is that he was the president when the Rumble in the Jungle happened lol... and some fragmented statements in the aftermath.
I still feel the comparison is very unfair.
Research shows us that a corrupt government doesn't lead to poverty. The last poll i read put RSA in the top 100 corrupt countries on earth. I think we were 46th or something along with the USA, RUSSIA, BRAZIL, CUBA COLOMBIA etc top of the list was Nigeria and look at the gains they've made lately.
I find what people consider to be corrupt depends on what is 'contra bona mores'.
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MommaCShould have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
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Aggggg thanks Mommac, this now makes everything clear,
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MommaCSOLUTIONS
Should have given a heads up to everyone - Dandan is a Zimbabwean farmer, courtesy of mad Uncle Bob
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You man a land dweller...........a farmers actually produces something.
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The-Rothschilds
Dandan must move the Zimbabwe and go work the land his was given, so Zimbabwe can stop wasting its diamond proceeds on maize imports.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_didnt i tell you this yesterday, black were short exchanged in hope that there will be reconcilliation,the truth is you will never reconcile with people with so much loot in their hands cos their main concern was how to protect what was clearly unfairly gained.this nonsens** CODESA must be renegotiated or this is moving closer to the brink of civil war
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The-RothschildsShame man, don't mock his two cows and 4 chickens.
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All_Truth
hehehe, now speaking like Malema. they chased him away and stole his ideas. they are now comming to terms with reality, coz that is what the boy was saying all along.Report Abuse
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Dandan@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
rubish , you are lying, not all bl.ack entrepreneurs are fronting for wh.ite men, there is Maponya are you telling me again is topped by w.hite mcxxxm
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I like when u say not all but most neh?
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McLoving
Because it's Gwede Mathata saying it now people believe that ANC has failed us.How many times I got chewed and spat like a tasteless chappies when I said ANC govt has failed us.How many time I have said it and people tell McLoving to get lost and bugger off.Bo McLoving have insight ,they understand what's going on in life ,they don't act on emotions likes some kinda flops on this forum.We are the bravehearts rona bo McLoving ..ons val van die sesde vloer dan kry ons nie seer nie.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschilds
Sinudeity_
didnt i tell you this yesterday, black were short exchanged in hope that there will be reconcilliation,the truth is you will never reconcile with people with so much loot in their hands cos their main concern was how to protect what was clearly unfairly gained.this nonsens** CODESA must be renegotiated or this country is moving closer to the brink of civil war
i cant leave u Roth
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MommaCDandan
There wasn't 'huge debts'. There was a forex cash flow crisis but the country didn't owe then as much as it does now.
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the country is nt owing , only Eskom owing IMF, the access fund we have has been given to Greece $2b , ok, first thing evr happened in SA
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As for the land, please take it, im begging you, because it will become just as worthless at the land in Zimbabwe. I hear Zimbabwe has to import maize again this year.
I knew this moron like yourself will fail, when did you last read Fin Mail, and Economist magazines, you will be ashamed of your foolishness about Zim, go to CNA and check any magazines talks about Zim farmers, blutty fool stop embarrasing yourself
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SOLUTIONSKatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Apartheid mind is still prevailling in these people's heads the reason they isolate their busisnesses away from ours and that affects the growth of all black owned businesses in a negetive way since they know better in trade internationally.lol
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You are the funny one, I keep away from government and black businesses because of payment issues, proven over and over again. Also if I want to do business with government I must give 49% of my business to a black person. WTF is up with that, I started 2 years ago with this business, I work hard to get what I want, giving 49% away, for what. Look at the great quality of rdp houses because of tenders given to cronies and incompetent people, not to black businesses who is qualified for the job. So your government is the reason that growth of black businesses is not so good,
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Dont drag RDPs into this man.lol
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@KatakataEmaotoAditshepAndre Crous of Khanyi Mbau is also topped by blacks cause is anc member, there are many Gastus savoi etc
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McLovinglolest.
eish my chomi go thla loka
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Budapat
Bigup Gwede, it only makes sense to admit in public and seek advice china, one thing you and your comrades need to deal drastically with is to separate party political matters from government. The fact an opposition is opposition doesn't mean any opinion or move made in parliament by any opposition is COUNTER REVOLUTION, we need each other to move forward. Now that BOEREMAG have been dealt a blow it's time we take opposition parties seriously and consider unity amongst south africans, lastly - DO LOOK INTO THE RESERVE BANK, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THE RESERVE BANK OF THE RSA INDEPENDENT and still have the economy of the RSA monopolised.Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepeDont drag RDPs into this man.lol
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Well there is many others.
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MommaC
DandanHuh???
Can't understand what you are saying
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
Now according to the Reserve Bank of South Africa
R118 billion is the foreign debt as at March 2012
The 2bn that went to the IMF was reserves. It is also just a loan. That money couldn't be used by the country anyhow as it is part of the guarantees that are held in our name - it doesn't affect the guarantees and it doesn't affect our economy but it does shore up good will.
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IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
I challenge EVERYONE here, who wants the white folks to 'share their w3alth', to take the first step. I challenge Julius, Kulubase, Zuma, Winnie, Cyril, Tokyo, Dandan, Bohlale1 and Moffdat to distribute their w3alth to the poor.Come on dudes, put your money where your mouth is.
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The-Rothschildslook Mandela is celebrated today cos he persued reconciliation with vigour and passion even when Chris Hani was massasinated and you call that window dressing?
What has that white capital done for this new dispensation ,they continue to have preference on whites in terms of promotion and senior position even where blacks are more experienced than whites
The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion
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Bohlale - "IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!"Whatever, the elections are closing in. The ANC always apologised, and fesses up to its mistakes before elections. They will also make promises. That they will 'improve'.
Look at JZ promising before the last elections, he will 'clamp down on corruption'.
Merely talk my man.
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NyongoyamavendaThe-Rothschilds
look Mandela is celebrated today cos he persued reconciliation with vigour and passion even when Chris Hani was massasinated and you call that window dressing?
What has that white capital done for this new dispensation ,they continue to have preference on whites in terms of promotion and senior position even where blacks are more experienced than whites
The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion
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Mandela was one man who many black people now believe sold out the black majority
Reconciliation was window dressing for the ANC for them to exploit wealth & tax payers money to the highest degree.
In a country with a supposed highest inequality in the world we have a president who spends R100 million a year, lets not even include all the others.
They (ANC) have kept the black majority stupid and unless with failed education and continuation of poverty in some hopeless belief that their lives will change as long as they continue to vote ANC.
If white people were uneducated, penniless parasites, the ANC would of chased them to the sea in 1994. This was all about money, this is why they fought for 100 years, so Zuma could spend R100 million a year.
That is your ANC.
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Bohlale1IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!
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yes man even during the strugle we had people like who had completely lost self respect and pride,so i dont blame you its apartheid effect this country has a long way to go ,we first have to baby sit people like you and deal with resistance from whites to transform,and believe you are such a burden but wil we walk with may be your eyes will open up
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Since Zuma became the president,the only best dreams I have ever had are the dreams in which I'm dying.Sometimes I have dreams making love to Brenda Fassie....ja nhe! ANC e tla go losira masepafontein net.
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Chabella
every few years the ANC admits is has failed, blaming Verwoerd, Mbeki and very soon Zuma, Every election new promises are made, that is never met. Every election, SA fall for the "this time is will be better, the new leader will make the difference". Lets not do that again, the ANC failure is not soley becaue of a single man/leader, the ANC failure is beacuase theya) rotten to the core with corruption. Form the highest leader, to the deployed municpal mayor
b) divided and controlled by the tri-party alliance. They dont know if they are communists, a tarde union, a revelotianary party or democrats.
no leader is going to change that.
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MommaCDandan
Huh???
Can't understand what you are saying
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
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what does that tell you blutty fool, it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot
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Moffdat
Bohlale1I can appreciate an optomist there are so few these days. Good to know that i am not the only person who still respects these guys. People blame them for the craziest things. They blame them for whta happened in marikani, they blame them for crime, rapes etc etc etc. However none of them commit these crimes.
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Nyongoyamavenda
The-Rothschildsplease talk to me dont be so emotinal i dont see facts here ,please i am waiting you seem to be burying your head in the sand ,we gigantic problems here and they need me and you for even if dont wana solve them in the best interest of the future of this country we are all doomed
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MommaC
Dandan.... actually most of it was for setting up Sasol and building the highway system.
Oh, and the government has underwritten the Eishkom loan so it isn't included in that amount. Don't know where this new nuclear plant is - could you point us to it's location so we can go admire it?
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Nyongoyamavenda
McLovingSince Zuma became the president,the only best dreams I have ever had are the dreams in which I'm dying.
Sometimes I have dreams making love to Brenda Fassie....ja nhe! ANC e tla go losira masepafontein net.
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nyaope is taking a toll on your mind seriouly,respect the late Brenda,where is Africaness in what you are saying,are you halucinating?
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ChabellaI agree. Until they get a massive wakeup call, it is just a case of hot air
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NyongoyamavendaThe-Rothschilds
please talk to me dont be so emotinal i dont see facts here ,please i am waiting you seem to be burying your head in the sand ,we gigantic problems here and they need me and you for even if dont wana solve them in the best interest of the future of this country we are all doomed
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Our countries problems lie with government.
No economic system can work unless the political system running it is 100% efficient.
Capitalism, socialism and communism are all doomed to fail if government is a failure.
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DandanMommaC
Dandan
Huh???
Can't understand what you are saying
Extract from the official report by the Department of Finance:
“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's total debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt"
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what does that tell you blutty fool, it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot
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Eskom was a company created during the apartheid era...............and the infrastructure that is our power grid was also created during apartheid.
Just thought i would let you know.
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NwanaPhiri
izit me or are white people critisizing any move the ANC makes? I for one am not hearing any "solutions" coming from our former rullrz ! yes we are all aware there are problems within the rulling party, stop critisizing and provide solutions, this country is divided enough as it is !Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
Nyongoyamavenda - "The truth ANC fooled itself by thinking that whites are genuine about the future of this country all they wanted is to ensure that their exploitation is not interupted and racism become their new found religion"THE TRUTH, the ANC is fooling you, and everyone else when they say they have the goodwill of the country on their minds. Or when they say they care about the poor.
You can keep on blaming the white man all you like dude :P
But until you actually do introspection, realise that the problem is with you...
Then you can address the real problem and move forward.
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McLoving
@NyongoyamavendaYou'll have those bad dreams one day and you 'll remember the day you cursed me.These are bad man ,,,bad dreams ..Your ANC is bad man..anyway have a good day I'm going to the sis dolly's sex article
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Sinudeity_
Dandan - "it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot"LOL, what about the chunks of money in the SANDF secret fund thats been dissapearing for 16 years now? How much was that? R10 billion?
What about the armsdeal dude? You do know that ALL THREE of the submarines we bought are not working at the moment right?
The one after some brightspark ANC cadet plugged the wrong voltage cable into the sub, taking out ALL of its systems. The other one was when one of your buddies crashed the sub against the bottom of the ocean :P
As for the ANC building insfrastructure... where are these supposed nuclear reactors? You know that the ANC hasnt built a new powerplant since 1994 right? At the moment you are still using the same powerplants as supplied and built by the apartheid government.
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MICAPARISAllutta My Chief!!
Some people claim to understand the ANC and South African politics!
I respect your knowledge on ANC politics my Chief, push very hard at Branch level, we need your understanding in our ANC. We are tired of ''milk teeth'' ''comrades come children'' in the ANCYL who claim to be 'cadres' after being born from spongy cheap ''hi-school and campus '' politics! A comrade come from branches not University or high school!
You are a very rare blogger who make sense about the ANC, is either you are brilliant or one of your relative is within us in the chambers, but your knowledge about ANC is very good and true!!
Keep it up Comrade, push Branch politics we need you in our ANC!
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your analysis of the current ANC politics is quiet enlightening and i must add that i am of a similar opinion particularly referring to dangers that are currently facing our beloved organization however i do not agree with your when you want do demean the contributions made by comrades in our institutions of higher learning and further making a judgement on who is more of a cadre and the place of operation being the determining factor for that matter.
PYA structures in our tertiary institutions have gone to produce most effective comrades within the ranks of the ANC and i in my opinion this country would have been much better governed if most of our comrades that graduate from these institutions are given an opportunity to be deployed and impart what they have learned rather than have these uneducated comrades that know no difference between a resolutions,caucus and policy.
I must say we do need radical policy change and YOUNG PEOPLE MUST GO TO SCHOOL.
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sexyghost
Bohlale please man. You can do better than this. Stop playing the race card and state facts. I heared most people claiming that SA is better than the rest of Africa. Unfortunately with the rate that things go, i bet we will be worst than all. Ask Zimbabwe, they will tell you that they used to be the best.Please man this blind loyalty is killing our country.
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Sinudeity_
NwanaPhiri - We give solutions every single day. But somehow the ANC knows better. What about the youth wage subsidy? The ANC agrees with the plan as well.But of course, jacob is too scared to lose his alliance partners, so he's doing nothing about it.
LOL, its quite sad, when progress has to be halted, because the ANC dont wanna p1ss off their alliance members.
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@DandanKatakataEmaotoAditshep
Andre Crous of Khanyi Mbau is also topped by blacks cause is anc member, there are many Gastus savoi etc.
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He's joint anc since his wealth was starting to rot and was after tenders as well.
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SVR
" party had failed to negotiate a better deal "The question I have is what have you done with the part you negotiated for yourself?
We are not fools to think you where left cap in hand next to the road. We know that what you have done is steal, lie and cheat us of our share!
@NwanaPhirir "I for one am not hearing any "solutions"
You are my friend, the white voter understands how democracy works, you vote for someone else when your party steals from you. The white voter cannot however do this as they are minority so it is up to the rest of us to make this decision.
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Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Dandan - "it says chunk of money was loaned by your fools for SADF to k.ill ppl, the loan done by ANc was to build infrastructure like eskom, nuclear, etc you idiot"
LOL, what about the chunks of money in the SANDF secret fund thats been dissapearing for 16 years now? How much was that? R10 billion?
What about the armsdeal dude? You do know that ALL THREE of the submarines we bought are not working at the moment right?
The one after some brightspark ANC cadet plugged the wrong voltage cable into the sub, taking out ALL of its systems. The other one was when one of your buddies crashed the sub against the bottom of the ocean :P
As for the ANC building insfrastructure... where are these supposed nuclear reactors? You know that the ANC hasnt built a new powerplant since 1994 right? At the moment you are still using the same powerplants as supplied and built by the apartheid government.
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how many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame
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@Nyongoyamavenda"how many houses has anc built"
Not enough, not good enough!
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I agree with Mantashe apartheid regime ruined our economy and rebuilding something that was destroyed by decades of mismanagement is not an easy task i am sure that anc is up to the challengeReport Abuse
The-Rothschilds
Nyongoyamavendahow many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame
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Zuma spend R100 million a year........doesnt seem the ANC quite knows the magnitude of our problems.
Viva economic freedom??????
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Nyongoyamavenda - "how many houses has anc built ,thats where the anc has been concertrating and it still not enough,apartheied regime left us with huge problems and now we are the ones to blame"The irony is that the low cost housing that the apartheid government built, is still standing today. As for the ANC housing, not so much. How many billions did Tokyo have to cough up to have them fixed?
You do know that the DA built more housing in the WCape in 1 year, than what the ANC could build in 3 years right?
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Sinudeity_
Madonsela: Inefficiency not apartheid's faultLOL
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hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa.Report Abuse
sexyghost
Dandan....ANC did not fight for us but we all contributed in the struggle for our liberation. Some of them were in jails and others in exile. Maybe you are 1 of those who were selling out you only see the importance of ANC now cause you are directly benefitting somehow. Save us from your blind loyalty and keep on praising incompetencyReport Abuse
MommaC
sexyghostThank you.
I am so sick of this propaganda where the ANC single handedly 'saved' us from apartheid.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Sinudeity_hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa.
That true,u whites are the strongest in economy and u used black community to built the best infrastructure in Africa so ur pockets can grow biger and biger whilst your slaves get nothing after all except R3000 a month to keep them breathing.
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The-Rothschilds
MommaCIts always a black VS white issue.
Reading comments about ET's murder, to see that so many people condone murder where ET is concerned just shows how obsessed & disturbing a faction of South Africa's population is on this Black VS White mentality.
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sexyghostMommaC
Where were you guys when people were fighting for freedom?
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SetlaboswanaBoy07
It is time that SA have two party state, I urge all the opposition parties to unite, The ANC government has failed the nation. The Health system is dead, Education sytem is dying, They are taking lives of South Africans very cheap...Can a minister stay in those shacks that they build for our fellow South Africans.A ke gane "mmetla shapo la tlala o betla a lebile gabo, kgokgomothi ge a betla o betlela go ja" but that is too much.
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The-RothschildsIt will take a long time to get over that. We had the 'white vs black' as a sanctioned, legal system until relatively recently. It is sad but it won't go away for another generation or so.
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MommaC
MoffdatWould it matter to you?
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Dandan
@sexyghostDandan....ANC did not fight for us but we all contributed in the struggle for our libe..............."
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damn contributed by what kil.ling people in soweto , unfortunately I was nt yet born
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jnrb
@ MoffdatHow can you say that corruption doesn’t lead to poverty? What research? Take a simple example. The Govt can pay a traffic cop R100,000 p.a to make the roads safer for all of us or it can use that money to provide 2 bursaries for students wishing to become doctors (and later tax paying citizens). However Govt chooses rather to pay the traffic cop but he is corrupt and will also pocket a R100 bribe every time
he stops someone for a traffic offence. Hence the roads doesn’t become any safer and people drive around drunk leading to accidents and deaths. All offenders do is simply pay a R100 bribe when pulled over by the traffic cop. Surely the Govt would get far more value for its money to rather give the bursaries so that one day 2 doctors will serve their fellow citizens and pay tax which in turn will develop the country than
pay the money to such a useless corrupt traffic cop! How can you say corruption doesn’t lead to poverty?
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jnrbHow can you say that corruption doesn’t lead to poverty? What research? Take a simple example. The Govt can pay a traffic cop R100,000 p.a to make the roads safer for all of us or it can use that money to provide 2 bursaries for students wishing to become doctors (and later tax paying citizens). However Govt chooses rather to pay the traffic cop but he is corrupt and will also pocket a R100 bribe every time
he stops someone for a traffic offence. Hence the roads doesn’t become any safer and people drive around drunk leading to accidents and deaths. All offenders do is simply pay a R100 bribe when pulled over by the traffic cop. Surely the Govt would get far more value for its money to rather give the bursaries so that one day 2 doctors will serve their fellow citizens and pay tax which in turn will develop the country than
pay the money to such a useless corrupt traffic cop! How can you say corruption doesn’t lead to poverty?
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There are too many loopholes in your argument but i will not concerntrate on that because i understand what you were trying to say even if you didn't properly articulate yourself.
I was refering ro research conducted where the world's top 100 corrupt nations were listed. I believe i mentioned that and if you look at most of the countries on the list you'll find thatthey are not living in abject poverty.
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MommaCMoffdat
Would it matter to you?
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I believe that people in glass houses should not throw stones.
So i would like to know what you were doing when people where laying down their lives for the pleasures you so ignorantly enjoy today??
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Mr secretary general Id like to believe you were quiet aware of this for a while now, am keen to find how would you tattle a way forward(you have taken the first step of admitting )that's great. Am also curious to find out of how many of your colleagues have taken the first step like you did.Report Abuse
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Moffdat - Asking an everyday white South African what they did during apartheid, and that they are responsible, is like asking an ANC supporter what he did about the corruption, and why he stole.Report Abuse
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MoffdatI don't really see how it would be a 'glass house'?
According to some, I was a member of a 'useless support group' but I thought I was helping. Don't know that my UDF contributions made much difference but I'm hoping that helped a bit too
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kamza79@sinudeity..
i so wish i can see or meet you the unfortunate part of meeting you will be that i will cut your balls with the edge of my hand till vervoer rise from the dead.......ur such a bast**d dats full of racism....nothing you say here goes without skin colours>>>>>>>
i hate a person who will address me as you people or your gorvenment.......you f***en whi.te boy!!!!
LOL,EI WA MPOLAYA I CANT STOP LAUGHING, THAT MAN IS A PAIN IN THE ASS
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Sinudeity_Bohlale - "IT TAKE A GOOD STRONG MAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS MISTAKES AND OPENS HIS HEART FOR POSITIVE CRITICISMS!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK ZUMA WILL DO THAT!!!!!!"
Whatever, the elections are closing in. The ANC always apologised, and fesses up to its mistakes before elections. They will also make promises. That they will 'improve'.
Look at JZ promising before the last elections, he will 'clamp down on corruption'
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The is nothing that you want but you piece of a cake.... I said deal with the fact that a black man is in power, if you cant continue mourning then, will catch you later!!!!!
@@Moffdat- you so damn rite yazi mfetho!!!! Sure mzala!!!!
AMANDLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Awe do, so theres nothing you can to about it @Sinudeity_
@Nyongoyamavenda- What are you on about bra???
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The ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
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Its always a black VS white issue.
Reading comments about ET's murder, to see that so many people condone murder where ET is concerned just shows how obsessed & disturbing a faction of South Africa's population is on this Black VS White mentality
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attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis
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MommaCSinudeity_
I didn't realise how racist the average white person was until i started talking to you mesono!!!
Know i'm going to fu@k the sh!t out of my TUKS girlfriend... You are probably asking the relevance of what i just said. She's white... Your racism has made me angry!!! MommaC maybe she's your daugther for all i know or may she's sinudeity's sister regardless i'll be silently smiling while she twitches away after i'm done. I really thought her and i had a chance but then i realise the id!ots of the world never end and they're all wh!te from the looks of things.
Accept for you MommaC *shouts* you aren't an idi@t. I'm a lot of things but i'm not a liar!! You are what i call ignorant by association
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@Sinudeity_hiddengold - Thanks to apartheid, we are the strongest economy in Africa. We have the best infrastructure in Africa.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis"ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa.
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MoffdatPardon?
What on earth was that little rush of blood to the head about?
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hiddengold - "Please do not show your racist tendencies go to the township and look for your so-called infrastructure"You mean, go to the townships and look for the so-called ANC infrastructure.
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Sinudeity_ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa.
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We shall continue to chain the white man accountable for all the atrocities he has caused is SA including the assassination of Chriss Hani
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Moffdat - LOL, so you are still a student?LOL, no wonder.
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "attitude and glaring arrogance like tha of Stev Hofmeyer,Julius malema and here on this blog Sinudeity wil push this country to a serious racial crisis"
ROFLOL, what ignorance. Im not the one blaming white people for everything that is wrong in South Africa.
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you seem to want us to believe that apertheid was brougth by aliens voted in by the same species which vanished to space in 1994
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@MujiriThe ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
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for sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms
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MujiriThe ANC failed on a number of things, including among others:
1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
Thank you, but people have blinkers and will not see that.
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The ANC has not failed to rebuild the economy, correction there Mr Mantashe. The ANC is still in the first transition(2nd phase that is)....Report Abuse
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Ngiyaphapha - "We shall continue to chain the white man accountable for all the atrocities he has caused is SA including the assassination of Chriss Hani"The dude who k1lled Chris hani is in prison duuumb@ss.
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Ngiyaphapha - "The ANC has not failed to rebuild the economy, correction there Mr Mantashe. The ANC is still in the first transition(2nd phase that is)"ROFLOL!!!
Now THAT is the lamest excuse Ive ever heard.
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Dandanfor sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms
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HAHHAHAHAHAH, all his farms yes, people dying of hunger and the farms given to the top dogs of the zanu-pf, go and read in the zim newspapers the fight there is now about people getting upset about this, there is 150 farmers who is now forced off their land to make space for one of the cronies. What will happen, more deaths due to starvation.
Why don't you f*&k back to zimbabwe if it is so cool there. Ignorant idiot.
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MommaCMoffdat
Pardon?
What on earth was that little rush of blood to the head about?
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I apologise. Please forgive me i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating.
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Dandan - "for sure in addition failure to reposessed farms whereas Mugabe has successfully repossed all his farms"Successfully? 95% unemployment, over a million Zim refugees in South Africa...
Hehe, your barometer for 'success' is a bit f***ed up.
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The ANC is a struggle party , struggle between leaders, struggle to deliver, struggle with partners,struggle with its own organs, struggle with press, struggle with integrity, struggle with reality, struggling with the people, struggling to survive, struggling with corruption, struggling with irregularities, struggling with paintings, struggling with economy;Please add on.
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Sinudeity_all you care is white this and that you never admit to the attrocities the government they were voting for commited and that all the problems we have today are directly linked to their past actions
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Moffdat - "i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating."You only figured that out now?
Thats the problem with most black South Africans.
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Sinudeity_you seem to want us to believe that apertheid was brougth by aliens voted in by the same species which vanished to space in 1994
for once be a man and admit the truth
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Sinudeity_Moffdat - "i just think that sometimes people are taking sides based on colour and not personal opinion or content of character. It is really frustrating."
You only figured that out now?
Thats the problem with most black South African
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that the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded
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Nyongoyamavenda - "all you care is white this and that you never admit to the attrocities the government they were voting for commited and that all the problems we have today are directly linked to their past actions"Hehehe, its only ANC fanboys that call people who oppose their views 'racist' or 'coc0nuts'.
Urg, and Ive pointed out countless times on the evils of apartheid. What you are doing now, is FAILING in your argument, so you pull out the race card.
What a loser.
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Nyongoyamavenda - Bottomline, gwede admits the ANC f***ed up.Now you are blaming me.
LOL
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Nyongoyamavendathat the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded
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says the one who still has a knot in his panties because of apartheid. Get over it, it was, we must look towards a better future so that black and white can make this country beautiful. Looking at the past did not help the boers when the english was here, the Jews or the Japanese, they got up, dusted off and worked.
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Sinudeity_i am not pulling a race you always potray whites as saints and genius but you forget that where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created
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that the problem with you in particalar and the rest of the like white minded
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says the one who still has a knot in his panties because of apartheid. Get over it, it was, we must look towards a better future so that black and white can make this country beautiful. Looking at the past did not help the boers when the english was here, the Jews or the Japanese, they got up, dusted off and worked
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yes but the problem is whites control 90% of the economy and they stalling and frustrating every effort to to bridge the aprtheid gap
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Nyongoyamavenda - Yeah, you are pulling a race card dude :PToo ignorant to see it?
"where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created"
Fine, so put the white people in power of government and let them fix the problems. Until then, ANC government. ANC government f***ups and failures.
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SOLUTIONSsomeone can type struggle wow. you deserve a cookie!
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MoffdatSo what does that have to do with being crude and swearing at me?
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - Yeah, you are pulling a race card dude :P
Too ignorant to see it?
"where we are today(all SA social problems) are largely to them voting for apartheid regime,and they must play a part a huge part in solving these problems they created"
Fine, so put the white people in power of government and let them fix the problems. Until then, ANC government. ANC government f***ups and failures
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excatly what i am talking about ,if its not a white government then it must fail very bad and arrogant attitude. you must accept that blacks are majority in this country and that whites oppressed us for more 100 years so ,white government? not in my life time
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Moffgatsomeone can type struggle wow. you deserve a cookie!
Truth hurts doesn't it Moffgat?
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Nyongoyamavenda - "you must accept that blacks are majority in this country and that whites oppressed us for more 100 years so ,white government? not in my life time"Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID.
Take some responsibility for yourself my man. You are like a child that hasnt grown up yet, always trying to blame someone else for when you broke the vase.
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MommaC - Excuse moffat. He's still a youth.Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_MommaC - Excuse moffat. He's still a youth. and 25 + years old.
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MommaCMoffdat
So what does that have to do with being crude and swearing at me?
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I'm sorry. Do you forgive me *bats
I still don't understand why you always stand with these id!ot everytime they start being condescending
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Sinudeity_Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID.
Take some responsibility for yourself my man. You are like a child that hasnt grown up yet, always trying to blame someone else for when you broke the vase
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tell me if i am lying ,cos what i am stating here are glaring truths,its not about blaming whites but i wil never shy away from from because it an inconivinienc,yuo want me to be an apoligist and lier like you.Whites excuted apartheid for years and when they realised they got everything ,they went to CODESA to negotiate for the protection of their loot and the anc was blinded
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Moffdat - "everytime they start being condescending"Merely reciprocating my man.
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Ahaah!!! What is this guy on? Pot? I do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth!!! I think he is certainly high on something!!!Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
Sinudeity_Then you must accept the fact that your government is f***ing up (as gwede admits here), and that blaming white people is STUUUUPID
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you realize now that apartheid was stupid,have you ever sat down with your father or uncle ask ,what is that drove them so mad that they adopted NAZI policies
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SOLUTIONSSinudeity_
If you look up, you'll find god staring at a piece of sh!t.
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MoffdatIf you look up, you'll find god staring at a piece of sh!t.
I also think you amaze Him.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "have you ever sat down with your father or uncle ask ,what is that drove them so mad that they adopted NAZI policies"Well, my granddad on my moms side, was a major in the SADF, he passed away 1995, never got to ask him. My dad supported the DP, and so did my mom. So they dont know.
But then again, let me ask you this...
What drove you so mad that you vote ANC?
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MoffdatI'm not standing 'with' anyone or against anyone.
Apology accepted but with reservations - you seem to be a bit volatile at the moment
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MommaCMoffdat
I'm not standing 'with' anyone or against anyone.
Apology accepted but with reservations - you seem to be a bit volatile at the moment
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Thank you for accepting my apology and i hope you know i don't mean all the bad things i say to you?
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@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!Report Abuse
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@Moffdat - don't apologise just stay black as you are !!Report Abuse
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Sinudeity_
But then again, let me ask you this...
What drove you so mad that you vote ANC?
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it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom,mandela stayed 10 years in jail,Zuma 10,Mbeki 10 for my freedom,anc ended aparteheid laws,forgave whites on atrocities they commited against blacks,brought democracy for the fist in south africa
and many more
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@Sinudeity_Thump up. Black people are narrow minded and Self-centred .we are sick and tired of putting all the blame to the fomer gvnment.
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Tasto@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!
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Inferiority complex at its best.
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its about time to change our leadership.Report Abuse
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Tasto - "don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!"What kind of logic is this?
You know whats difficult to come by? A black dude that benefitted from BEE.
Because they are all connected cadres.
The w3alth that white folks shared, went to three people, who became instant billionares. Tokyo, Cyril and Motsepe.
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@SOLUTIONS - self-reliance&black man you on your own - u throw that lame superioty-inferioty complex fcukn h.onkey !!Report Abuse
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Tasto@Nyongoyamavenda - don't waste yr time on these things.Remember its so difficult to come across a white that benefited from Apartheid thats why they still h.ate us even today!!
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I like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that?
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MoffdatI like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that?
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One must send you to another country, because other people want a better South Africa and uses their votes and spare time for this. You just vote the criminal organisation back in with every chance you get. You help the suffering of other people,
read this you piece of sh1t
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/sexwale-shocked-by-money-mess-in-free-state?filter=all_comments
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Nyongoyamavenda - "it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom"And the NP government faught hard to free South Africa from the British. Did that make apartheid right?
If not, if the ANC government faught hard for your freedom, does that make their incompetence and corruption right?
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Sinudeity_the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails
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Tasto@Moffdat - don't apologise just stay black as you are !!
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the person i'm apologizing to is really good she is just brainwashed by pale faced propaganda.
These other bab00ns are just collateral damage
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Finally the ANC admits to their incompetence. When are the voters going to learn that they are the creators of this mess. Year after year they elect the same corrupt party. There are other parties with good policies to vote for and until there is proper competition against the ANC party, nothing will change, as they have a guaranteed win. Before every election they promise something pretty and sparkling and the crowds chant VIVA VIVA and not before long things will go further down the drain. This mess was not created by the whites only. This mess was created by the corrupt ANC.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavenda - "the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails"No dude, its because the ANC is incompetent and corrupt that I want to see them fall.
Look at the education system. Look at healthcare. You know that we are now of the most uneducated countries in Africa right? The average life expectency of South Africans dropped by about 10 years since the end of apartheid.
Then we look at WCape, highest healthcare rates in the country, highest education rate in the country. Lowest unemployent rate in the country...
Do you notice the pattern here? Its not the ANC that is running that province...
Then we look at Limpopo, Mpumalanga, ECape...
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You can't change with the likes of Phosa among you, that guy is a snake and a sell out.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavenda /Moffdat - http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/sexwale-shocked-by-money-mess-in-free-stateAwaiting your comments on that article chiefs.
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@Nyongoyamavenda,@Moffdat - yes u can't paint them with the same brush but most of these DevolvedApatheid(DA) double agents here nid to get the truth.No amount of propaganda even this whitemen's st.ooge called Ediotor who remove my prevouis post for saying "One se.tt One bouquet of flowers" !!
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "it was not madnes but ratinale,anc foght so hard for my freedom"
And the NP government faught hard to free South Africa from the British. Did that make apartheid right?
If not, if the ANC government faught hard for your freedom, does that make their incompetence and corruption right?
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It is spelt fought in case you were never told. Please no thanks necessary.
This is a testament to your great intelligence. You white south african get thought two languages max but you still can't get it right. I speak seven languages fluently and can hear 10. The average south african can speak about four.
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Moffdat - It is spelt 'taught' and not 'thought '.This is a testament to your great intelligence. LOL
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@Nyongoyamavendathe beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails
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It does not have anything with the whites and blacks racism past to do any more. All people just wants success for the country and no-one is making the ANC fail. They are dong it all by themselves. Stop living in the past and start creating a proper future.
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SinuNyongoyamavenda /Moffdat - http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/sexwale-shocked-by-money-mess-in-free-state
Awaiting your comments on that article chiefs.
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*malema voice*
We are not going to stand here and be told what to do by the likes of you. You can read on your own, have a conversation with yourself and comment on your previous statement. You are tjatjarag
Bl00dy agent!!!
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Poppitloveeish you are missing the whole point man,whites are stalling by continuing to prefer whites in terms of promotion,whites companies are refusing to transform,and they want us to believe that these problems were creat by anc, so please before you jump in have facts man
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Moffdat - LOL, ok english professor.For your information, I understand 11 different languages. 4 of them are spoken languages, and the other 7 are computer languages.
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Sinudeity_Awaiting your comments on that article chiefs.
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corruption is corruption let the law take its course,just Tkyo is not playing politics
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It has got nothing to do with whites stalling or companies stalling, by law they cannot do that. It as got to do with filling positions with capable people.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavenda - "so please before you jump in have facts man"LOL, 'the facts'.
Gwede states the facts for you, ANC is incompetent. And tokyo on the other article about FS states the facts for you, ANC is corrupt.
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Nyongoyamavenda - Hehehe, just 'tokyo playing politics'.So you are living in denial my bru :P
R500 million missing is not just politics my man.
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No sh!t Gwede. Really. Who would have thought?Morena. Hallucinations can be fun, hey........
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MoffdatI like the use of the word 'thing'. Any man who has no alligiance to his country. Has no reverence for his leaders. Sells out his people. Does not care about his community is a thing. He stands for nothing and falls for everything. Any man who finds joy in his country's failure and contributes to its demise is a thing - and what do we do... with a piece of sh!t like that?
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One must send you to another country, because other people want a better South Africa and uses their votes and spare time for this. You just vote the criminal organisation back in with every chance you get. You help the suffering of other people,
read this you piece of sh1t
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/08/22/sexwale-shocked-by-money-mess-in-free-state?filter=all_commen
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "the beef is why whites who all these problems we have can be traced and sourced from their actions are so bent down on seeing anc fails"
No dude, its because the ANC is incompetent and corrupt that I want to see them fall.
Look at the education system. Look at healthcare. You know that we are now of the most uneducated countries in Africa right? The average life expectency of South Africans dropped by about 10 years since the end of apartheid.
Then we look at WCape, highest healthcare rates in the country, highest education rate in the country. Lowest unemployent rate in the country...
Do you notice the pattern here? Its not the ANC that is running that province...
Then we look at Limpopo, Mpumalanga, ECape
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that is the problem with you ,your self rightous is deceiving and blinding you, Is WC a heaven now? It has the highest protest in the country,most hostile to black professiona and they are leaving in droves,Drug capital,children are murdured and raped eveyday now please dont deny these
KZN has far lees protest than WC,more passed auditor general review tha WC,whiel it is vast rural but it better health care as well so its not only DA
Iask you this yesterday why white matriculants get jobs whille blacks dont, it is because of th attitude of the white after so many years of oppressing us they are coming to the table but are standing on the way
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I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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maybe you all should make a list of what you want for this country and go compare it to all the parties. You will find that the ANC is not the only answer.Report Abuse
Nyongoyamavenda
PoppitloveIt has got nothing to do with whites stalling or companies stalling, by law they cannot do that. It as got to do with filling positions with capable people
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youjust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race
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Nyongoyamavendathat is the problem with you ,your self rightous is deceiving and blinding you, Is WC a heaven now? It has the highest protest in the country,most hostile to black professiona and they are leaving in droves,Drug capital,children are murdured and raped eveyday now please dont deny these
KZN has far lees protest than WC,more passed auditor general review tha WC,whiel it is vast rural but it better health care as well so its not only DA
Iask you this yesterday why white matriculants get jobs whille blacks dont, it is because of th attitude of the white after so many years of oppressing us they are coming to the table but are standing on the way
I hate it when you nicampoop anc sheep try to move the blame, the WC has the highest protests yes, in the anc ward areas because the ward members does not talk to their people, the anc is quick to say WC has the most protests, Why? because the anc people see how well the DA wards are doing and getting upset.
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The excuses, blame shifting, lack of accountability and pure arrogance of all our politicians is just mind blowing.DA won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming the ANC, ANC won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming apartheid, nobody wants to take responsibility for the ridiculous promises made before elections and the people of SA are dissolving into anarchy.
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@Moffdat@Nyongoyamavenda - remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994 they won't change they are ttrying their best to capitilise on the mistake of few and paint ALL Black ppl as lazy and good for nothing including this "mantshingilana" called ediotor who keeps removing\blocking the truth!!
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Politicians got big mouths only to make promises they're not gonna fulfil,development takes an action not too much talks then they go straight to their fancy offices to put their @ss down.Report Abuse
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Nyongoyamavendayoujust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race
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I had to start my own business because of AA and BEE crap, why don't they do the same, sitting in a position because others get promoted because of skin colour is unfair, does not matter which way. If you don't like it, get off your a.ss and do your own thing. I am sick to hear that most companies are owned by whites, but they were forced out of the work place because of AA and BEE while the black brothers expect companies should be given to them.
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MoffdatI would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
The ANC is a struggle party , struggle between leaders, struggle to deliver, struggle with partners,struggle with its own organs, struggle with press, struggle with integrity, struggle with reality, struggling with the people, struggling to survive, struggling with corruption, struggling with irregularities, struggling with paintings, struggling with economy;
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Tasto - "remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994"LOL, no were not.
And yeah, the "Fight back" campaign was to prevent Zuma from becoming president. If only the people listened. It was Julius that then twisted it into the 'Fight black" campaign.
The funny thing is, he is now "Fighting black" himself :P
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@Nyongoyamavenda - remember these are the same white ppl who viewed Mandela as a terrosirt before 1994 & the same ppl with FightBlack campaign after 1994 they won't change they are ttrying their best to capitilise on the mistake of few and paint ALL Black ppl as lazy and good for nothing including this "mantshingilana" called ediotor who keeps removing\blocking the truth!!
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that one is true they want appear saints now and its us who are devils but never implemented any hatred** based on race ,its their apartheid past and is giving us problems which now they are distancing themselves from them
The editor is Mkhabela the guy is not up to scratch soweta standard has dropped drastically since he took over i dont where he is coming from i am sure he is a DA member,he stand to weaken anything black
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UKUFA!
Difference between Goverment an a Private company like SABSAB delivers beer to 68 000 Shebeens per week.
Goverment with full on BEE (ANC)delivers ??? books per year.......to 68 000 Schools
Please do no insist on BEE at SAB leave them alone Pleeeease Sir
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Solution the must be a leadership change at Mangaung and decisive decision on Bantustans&volkstaat called provinces they past their sellby date !!Report Abuse
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I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
@Tasto\Nyongoyamavenda
What are the chances that i am going to get and answer anytime soon.
@MommaC
You are the one with the brains maybe you should help than out i think they're drowning.
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youjust dont get it ne,i say white matriculant 80% are geting jobs ahead of blacks 10% cos companies are owned by whites ,its not a blame its a fact .the report from the research,i am worker my self i have a white who knows nothing geting ahead of blacks who have proven themselves just because he is white,and that has got everything to with race
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I had to start my own business because of AA and BEE crap, why don't they do the same, sitting in a position because others get promoted because of skin colour is unfair, does not matter which way. If you don't like it, get off your a.ss and do your own thing. I am sick to hear that most companies are owned by whites, but they were forced out of the work place because of AA and BEE while the black brothers expect companies should be given to them
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they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital
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UKUFA!Difference between Goverment an a Private company like SAB
SAB delivers beer to 68 000 Shebeens per week.
Goverment with full on BEE (ANC)delivers ??? books per year.......to 68 000 Schools
Please do no insist on BEE at SAB leave them alone Pleeeease Sir
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comparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense
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Nyongoyamavendathey must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital
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Do you think white people go to a job and sit and do nothing the whole day, they are also just tools if they work for a boss, what about the people you spoke about who you said proven themselves then don't get promoted. Please man, stop this blame game, look in the mirror and wake up.
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Moffdat - "Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid"School pregnancies?
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MommaCThe excuses, blame shifting, lack of accountability and pure arrogance of all our politicians is just mind blowing.
DA won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming the ANC, ANC won't take responsibility for their mess and keep blaming apartheid, nobody wants to take responsibility for the ridiculous promises made before elections and the people of SA are dissolving into anarchy.
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that is kind of critism i will respect from anyone whatever race at least you not pushed by blanket generalisation,big up man
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Nyongoyamavendacomparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense
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You said it, even the SAB can operate as a horse when the government is operating like a donkey. It is time to kick the a.ss and get a horse in.
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@MoffdatI would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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The ANC inherited a good running economy. They chose a few selected people and gave them free reign to enrich themselves, creating laws in order for them to do so. They chopped and changed the constitution to benefit only a selected few and spreading corruption all through the country. The successful companies are run by shareholders who have the right to choose the leaders of the companies. If I invest into a company I will select competent people to run it, and if they are white, so be it. I want a return on my investment and will select a competent person regardless of colour. You have invested in the ANC. Stop blaming white people if you do not get a return on your investment. You have to carry responsibility for your decision.
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Nyongoyamavenda - "they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skillsand that is a little we are asking from white owned capital"
No we didnt. The mineral wealth is white South African resources too. Anyways, the whites took the initiative to actually mine for it. And its not exploitation if you actually pay people to dig. Its not slavery. If they dont like it, they are free to resign.
Whats the point in giving you capital to start a business if you dont have the skills to start a business? And how will you ever get the skills, if you dont have textbooks, or based on the fact that SA's education is the lowest in the country?
Heres a crazy idea... why dont you raise capital the same way everyone else raises capital? By taking a loan from the bank? Crazy concept right?
PS, white folks gave lots of capital to black folks to start businesses. Unfortunately, Cyril, Tokyo and Motsepe took advantage of this, and became instant multi billionares, instead of sharing the wealth with their brothers and sisters.
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they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital
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Do you think white people go to a job and sit and do nothing the whole day, they are also just tools if they work for a boss, what about the people you spoke about who you said proven themselves then don't get promoted. Please man, stop this blame game, look in the mirror and wake up.
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common man ,its a reality,you guys are bent down on damagin anc image ,so that we can begin to see DA as an alternative ,you dont criticise constructively thats and you are just spectators,when all th resources are in white hands,its not fair really its not
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MoffdatI would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
Maybe you should open your eyes and go a bit to the top and you will see a list, that i posted, also, read this article.
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Sinudeity_Nyongoyamavenda - "they must do tha cos they accumulated all they have at the expense of blacks our resources ewre reserved for them,blacks cant even start businesis cos they were made tool boys in the past they just dont have the skills
and that is a little we are asking from white owned capital"
No we didnt. The mineral wealth is white South African resources too. Anyways, the whites took the initiative to actually mine for it. And its not exploitation if you actually pay people to dig. Its not slavery. If they dont like it, they are free to resign.
Whats the point in giving you capital to start a business if you dont have the skills to start a business? And how will you ever get the skills, if you dont have textbooks, or based on the fact that SA's education is the lowest in the country?
Heres a crazy idea... why dont you raise capital the same way everyone else raises capital? By taking a loan from the bank? Crazy concept right?
PS, white folks gave lots of capital to black folks to start businesses. Unfortunately, Cyril, Tokyo and Motsepe took advantage of this, and became instant multi billionares, instead of sharing the wealth with their brothers and sisters.
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now you are resorting to your true self, just throwing everything just to keep talking,dude you havnt sai a thing
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SolutionsEverything you mentioned has a flaw to it that i can argue against. I will select merely a few though.
BEE has served that majority at large. It is a direct result of apartheid. No apartheid no BEE. I believe many people have a problem with it not because it isn't working but because it is benefiting a select few.
Bophutatswana was a bantustan. I would recommend you do some reading i'm not going into that.
The apartheid houses benefited a select few and not the majority. Education system was in shambles - bantu education 1976 etc etc. Speaking of bantu education are you sure you're not a product of it!!!
I could go on your list is flawed
Anyone else want to try????? Solutions how about you give it a go!!!
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I would like anyone to name one problem the ANC government has created which is completely unattached to our apartheid past. Yes one problem with no causal link!!! I'm wating... still waiting....
I've got all day... go ahead now really please the floor is all yours
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Still waiting guys it really shouldn't be that hard> Please just one problem which was not caused by apartheid!!!! I've got all day
Maybe you should open your eyes and go a bit to the top and you will see a list, that i posted, also, read this article.
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dont waste your time just open your eyes a little bit wider you will see,i dont being asked silly questions
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UKUFA!Ironically, SAB has never been an all white company. They had black, coloured, indian etc people in managerial positions (the CEO was indian/colourd in the 1980's) all through apartheid. Luckily, the Nats were never stupid enough to mess with the beer supply so they got away with it :)
There is a big difference between BEE and cronyism.
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'We've failed to rebuild economy' said Mantashe. Mantashe also thought to himself " I dont want to tell them that we are masters when it comes to corruption, no no no no no. Yes, we are" .Report Abuse
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comparing a horse to a donkey,you dont make sense
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You said it, even the SAB can operate as a horse when the government is operating like a donkey. It is time to kick the a.ss and get a horse in.
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dont take it ltterally my friend i am sure you understand idioms,
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Nyongoyamavenda - "common man ,its a reality,you guys are bent down on damagin anc image ,so that we can begin to see DA as an alternative"The ANC is doing a fine job of discrediting themselves thank you very much.
"you dont criticise constructively thats and you are just spectators,when all th resources are in white hands,its not fair really its not"
Of course I give constructive criticism, but its when I have to discuss issues with racists such as yourself, where its impossible to do so.
Oh, and the resources are not in white hands. Black people combined own more money in South African, than white people combined.
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@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ SinudeityCan I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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Everything you mentioned has a flaw to it that i can argue against. I will select merely a few though.
BEE has served that majority at large. It is a direct result of apartheid. No apartheid no BEE. I believe many people have a problem with it not because it isn't working but because it is benefiting a select few.
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You are the flaw, there was no BEE in Apartheid go and read your question again and wake up, F*&K where has the education in this country gone to. Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure.
Bophutatswana was a bantustan. I would recommend you do some reading i'm not going into that.
The apartheid houses benefited a select few and not the majority. Education system was in shambles - bantu education 1976 etc etc. Speaking of bantu education are you sure you're not a product of it!!!
I could go on your list is flawed
Really, here is something for you, I guess you should go and read up, F*&K where has the education gone to in the country --
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/education-worse-than-under-apartheid-1.1262309#.UDTcPdYgdFU
Anyone else want to try????? Solutions how about you give it a go!!!
So, why don't you try to prove me wrong, your anc is a f*&kup, and you are a direct result of that, I can see it in your education. F*&K I can see you should rather talk to 3 year olds.
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@NyongoyamavendaIf the education system was not degraded by the government and if students were willing to sit on their bums in a class room and study without raping/killing fellow students and teachers or burning down schools, they would have had those 'jobs' by now. But instead they listen to disgruntled youth league indoctrination and chose to become violent hooligans. Again your choice and no-one else's. It's almost 18 years now.....18 years of your own making.
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Moffdat - "BEE has served that majority at large."ROFLOL, no it hasnt. BEE has enriched a handful of cadres.
You know why more black people are not employed because of AA? Because there are only that many white companies. Or you do you expect 5 million white people to create employment for 45 million people? You will find that most companies comply with AA. Unfortunately, there arent that many companies.
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@Tasto@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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Yet it is your leaders that is corrupt, however.... there is light at the end of the tunnel.....
as the saying go.
Admission to oneself (as above) is the first step to recovery....
One can only hope
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Tasto@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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You can start where you want to with everything you mentioned to the top, but you will need a time machine, good luck, I am looking for a better country now, I don't think everyone will be able to get into your time machine. Also , sorry, I was not there with one of them.
18 Years and going backwards, yes all races are now allowed everywhere but the country is going backwards. Wake up forget the past, the past is not stealing money from you now.
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Tasto - "Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!"10 years too much. Oh Lord, please send us a COMPETENT black government.
Hehe, you complain about white folks whinging (its how democracies are made stronger), but you know what black folks do? They buuurn down, throw their own $h17 in the streets and chop up policemen.
Which do you prefer?
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@Sinudeity_Moffdat - "BEE has served that majority at large."
ROFLOL, no it hasnt. BEE has enriched a handful of cadres.
You know why more black people are not employed because of AA? Because there are only that many white companies. Or you do you expect 5 million white people to create employment for 45 million people? You will find that most companies comply with AA. Unfortunately, there arent that many companies
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Yea, as far as I know..... those minority white companies must abide by the law....if there is only a hint of corruption they will get imprisoned for life....unlike some 'other' people.
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@ Poppitlove,@RobinH,@ SOLUTIONS,@ Sinudeity
Can I go back as the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 or Vereneeging 1909 Treaty of the Dutch&Btitish se.ttlers tha exclude Africans out of their country, must I star with 1913 LandAct that led to breakdown of African families by forced labour migration to the mines that fuelled growth of white SouthAfrica.Must I start with systematic introduction of Bantu education to keep balcks in perpertual servitude and its long term damages inferior education&teen pregnancy? Must I also include group areras act & influx control ?
Yet ANC/black rule has been around for mere 18 years with constant white aggression from all fronts from whinging white ppl Solidairt FF+, NP,DP,DA and its surrogate agents on this blog here too!
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You can start where you want to with everything you mentioned to the top, but you will need a time machine, good luck, I am looking for a better country now, I don't think everyone will be able to get into your time machine. Also , sorry, I was not there with one of them.
18 Years and going backwards, yes all races are now allowed everywhere but the country is going backwards. Wake up forget the past, the past is not stealing money from you now.
You and your parents and grandparents and other white ppl you stole more than the anc for deliberaley giving me inferior halthcare and most importnatly INFERIOR EDUCATION.
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If the education system was not degraded by the government and if students were willing to sit on their bums in a class room and study without raping/killing fellow students and teachers or burning down schools, they would have had those 'jobs' by now. But instead they listen to disgruntled youth league indoctrination and chose to become violent hooligans. Again your choice and no-one else's. It's almost 18 years now.....18 years of your own making.
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clearly you have no clue of what you are talking about ,are you isulting black people or that is the way you see them rapist/killer*SS
please ddont come here and isult us you dumd ass**hole,how can you be so stupid**
please do me favour and refrain from engaging with me i have nothing to discuss with morons** like you
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People forget that the economy is run by Rednecks, who are still dinasaurs who refuse to change or take the country forward. Whay can the Govt do if all the money and the productive land is in the hands of rednecks?? Get your facts right. Let one with no sin cast the first stone, otherwise: Shut the F**k up and sort our country out. People make the economy work, whining and sniping send us back to the stone age (apartheid)Report Abuse
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@NyongoyamavendaI will happily ignore you.... you have a fowl mouth.
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@EveryoneI am still waiting for a person to give me a list which will truly answer my question. Some very unintelligent person even blamed the ANC for school pregnancies.
Well calibrated intelligent answer are allowed
MommaC please try i believe if anyone of this sorry bunch have to give me an answer they will need you help
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Poppitlove@Nyongoyamavenda
I will happily ignore you.... you have a fowl mouth.
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you are just a waisted sh**T of nonses ,how can you call all black mtriculants rapist and murders** you son of satan**
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TastoYou and your parents and grandparents and other white ppl you stole more than the anc for deliberaley giving me inferior halthcare and most importnatly INFERIOR EDUCATION.
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The education that you got back then is better than the education of today, is that why they are now starting to call hospitals the place of death, dying babies every single day? I stole nothing from you. FU for saying that, the only thing I am doing is bringing money into the country and you want to blame me for theft, FU again.
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Moffdathttp://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/education-worse-than-under-apartheid-1.1262309#.UDTcPdYgdFU
read the article again to which you are posting
how about corruption?
How about cadre deployment?
how about books not getting delivered? - in apartheid the kids had books, yes even in the townships.
How about all the job losses?
What about the borders being open?
Blame blame blame, you sound like little school girls who can't stand up for themselves, you are a failure because of yourself no one else, so go and listen to that song of Micheal Jackon -- Man in the mirror.
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MoffdatWhy are you asking? Gwede has already given the answer
"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."
I could add a few things that hindsight says they should have done better but why belabour the point.
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Comrade skwamasamabele, and another thing if we can get the rednecks out of our economy it will also stop our brothers streaming over our borders from the rest of Africa, looking for food education, jobs and medical care. Good thinking comrade.Report Abuse
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@ Moffdat....If I MUST.
http://www.shandukablackpages.co.za/
100% black owned companies.....
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@SolutionsThe education that you got back then is better than the education of today, is that why they are now starting to call hospitals the place of death, dying babies every single day? I stole nothing from you. FU for saying that, the only thing I am doing is bringing money into the country and you want to blame me for theft, FU again.
Typical white r.acist just like FW de Klerk trying to justify some aspects of Apartheid recently, so Bantu education was good for me but not for you I guess? for your information anc didn't mess white education in their honest endevour to reverse Bantu education they got it wrong perhaps for not listening to others\experts!!
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I don't see the point in comparing SA from before 1994 and now. They were two completely different situations. Apples and pears.I also don't see the point in going around in circles. Our country isn't perfect and it isn't doing as well as it should be doing. Maybe if we stopped with the race and politics arguments, we could use all that energy to FIX the problems. What is done is done. Who broke it isn't half as important as how we get it fixed
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Moffdat
SOLUTIONS'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!!
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Poppitlove
@UKUFA!Comrade skwamasamabele, and another thing if we can get the rednecks out of our economy it will also stop our brothers streaming over our borders from the rest of Africa, looking for food education, jobs and medical care. Good thinking comrade.
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????? How are the white owned companies responsible for illegal immigrants?(if I understand the comment correctly). And don't worry, soon they will realise there is no education here.... medical care is questionable and jobs, well..... none there either. They will also realise that racism is not a black/white either and they will run away from this horror.
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SOLUTIONS
Tastoypical white r.acist just like FW de Klerk trying to justify some aspects of Apartheid recently, so Bantu education was good for me but not for you I guess? for your information anc didn't mess white education in their honest endevour to reverse Bantu education they got it wrong perhaps for not listening to others\experts!!
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Exact comment I was expecting from your small mind, could not debate the facts and had to throw the racism card. Typical inferiority complex, well, at least you see the truth, even if it hurts it is a step forward, you see, even on here I do my part. You will get over it and one day see the light and stop being a sheep.
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@MoffdatSOLUTIONS
'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!!
Nothing eluded this mother fcuker, just delibrately twisting or selective memory.What do you expert from DeveovledAprtheid campaigning agebnts on this blog?
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SOLUTIONS
MoffdatSOLUTIONS
'Also if you look at this article to the top, you will notice your anc says it is a failure'.
If you read the article you will see that the ANC admits failing to secure a better deal for south african during apartheid negotiations. The minor details elude you but that's okay the illiterate never watch for the fine print.
Your insults are obviously well thought out(not). How about you invest that energy into more contentious rebbutles!!!
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You are starting to get boring now, so whose f up was it, apartheid or the anc. lol so it was apartheids fault that the anc failed in negotiations. ... please dude also go and read the whole article and wake up. Where has the education system gone to, if you are an OBE boy, I feel sorry for SA.
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Poppitlove
@MommaCI don't see the point in comparing SA from before 1994 and now. They were two completely different situations. Apples and pears.
I also don't see the point in going around in circles. Our country isn't perfect and it isn't doing as well as it should be doing. Maybe if we stopped with the race and politics arguments, we could use all that energy to FIX the problems. What is done is done. Who broke it isn't half as important as how we get it fixed
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Agreed, however, until there is proper competition for the ANC, they will hang onto the past and keep on blaming the past for the next hundred years......
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SOLUTIONS
I am going to have a Heineken and climb into the Jacuzzi, anc cadres, go and find more ways to blame apartheid for your anc's1. Failure to nominate and elect good leaders for the ANC and the country.
2. Destroying the educations system.
3. Buidling poor quality houses, which are worse as compared to the apartheid 4 room house.
4. Condoning corruption.
5. Interfering with the justice system.
6. Cadre deployment
7. Destroying the health system
8. Openning the boarders.
9. Destroying Bophuthatswana, which I think was doing better under Mangophe.
10. Introducing BEE
11. Fighting and killing people for tenders.
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skwamasamabele
its quite obvious that the apartheid symphathisers always look for a problem in the African National Congress, and they dont like the fact its been in govt since '94. Instead of helping make the country work, all they EVER do is critisize the ANC. I dont remember these so-called 'pious defenders of true SA values' critisizing the Nationalist govt of Botha & De Klerk. Perhaps it might have something to do with their collusion in apartheid status quo. THE ANC IS IN POWER, AND WILL BE FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, SO GET OVER IT. Shape up or ship out of SAReport Abuse
MommaC
PoppitloveI don't think so. The younger generation isn't buying the excuses anymore. They want results, not excuses. Even those within the ANC are getting tired of the old 'apartheid' card being thrown around.
Apartheid made many, many mistakes. The ANC has made many, many mistakes. Crying about the spilt milk isn't going to clean it up
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Poppitlove
@skwamasamabeleoh get real.... just read the article above....ANC = fail. Corruption and criminals will never get my support.
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Tasto
@SOLUTIONS,@RobinH - stop lying and deluding yourselves whiteys!!Nothing from the truth there are still doctors, engineers&other professionals being produced out of this fcuked up black education system like with BantuEducation!! Black education didn’t stall after anc came to power got that in your head!! No matter how you put barriers Black will soar higher always and BLACKS must be most talented ppl despite obstacle we somehow make it, from old Missisipsi in south USA to Old SouthAfrica&post Apartheid we are still here and not going to vote for a white people party !!
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Sinudeity_
skwamasamabele - "ts quite obvious that the apartheid symphathisers always look for a problem in the African National Congress"So... gwede is an apartheid sympathiser?
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Sinudeity_
skwamasamabele - "Instead of helping make the country work, all they EVER do is critisize the ANC."Black people, instead of helping make the country work, they buuurn down libraries, they buuurn down schools, they block highways and chop up policemen.
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Poppitlove
@TastoNot asking you to vote for a white people party (Not) Just sort your corrupt criminal, money grabbers for leaders out.....Stop blaming the past .....
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Moffdat
MommaC"Mantashe said the party regrets some flaws such as how the SA Reserve Bank had been made more independent than it was in 1994 and how the government had allowed private shareholding among other things."
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I believe you know under the companies act of 1973 and the current legislation (2008) board of directors and shareholders by special resolution may vote to issue share to the public or specified individuals. Gwede is doing his job, being the bigger man and taking the wrap for scared shareholders who wanted to take their money and run. More stringent legislation could have been pasted but the one thing we know about democracy is that it is timeous. (Under the 1973 Act only shareholders were allowed to do this but under the current legislation the board of directors can exercise this function as well)
I believe you and everyone tried but failed!
If it is akin to your predilection i implore you to mention the ones you have kept from me.
p.s. excuse spelling errors am really busy
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Sinudeity_
Moffdat - "excuse spelling errors am really busy"LOL
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UKUFA!
@Poppitlove????? How are the white owned companies responsible for illegal immigrants?
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They are fleeing a worst horror for now, white owned compannies gives them hope for Africa. Or do you want to tell me they are fleeing here for the climate or the ANC goverment's job creation skills.
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Tasto
@Poppitlove@Tasto
Not asking you to vote for a white people party (Not) Just sort your corrupt criminal, money grabbers for leaders out.....Stop blaming the past .....
First fcuk you, anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past!! Typical whites always want to have it both ways selfish gutonous ppl !!
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Poppitlove
UKUFA!It's not white companies.... SA was liberated and Mandela promised freedom for all. They are coming here for that freedom and opportunity for all. Oh dear.... That is a well known fact.
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Sinudeity_
Tasto - F*** you dude.Your ANC is stealing money from the country, but you ignore this fact and merely blame white folks for the slow delivery. F*** the ANC, corrupt and incompetent criminals and clowns posing as politicians.
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Tasto
I am off now, to watch OPFC, maar ppl white ppl are the same. No no past is past !! just like Lonmin company in London that instruct ppl to return to work to maximise profits from raping SA mineral resources without care to affected miners !!Report Abuse
Tasto
@Sinudeity_Tasto - F*** you dude.
Your ANC is stealing money from the country, but you ignore this fact and merely blame white folks for the slow delivery. F*** the ANC, corrupt and incompetent criminals and clowns posing as politicians.
You stole my future feeding me Bantu Education !!
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Sinudeity_
Tasto - And the ANC stole you childrens future, feeding you bantu education.Report Abuse
Poppitlove
@TastoFirst fcuk you, anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past!! Typical whites always want to have it both ways selfish gutonous ppl !!
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"anc was suppose to fix the past but not blame the past"
We all know the ANC was supposed to lead the country into a bright future as they promised. They said so. Now that they are failing, THEY are blaming the past. We are trying to tell the ANC that it is not an excuse and that in order to move forward you have to leave the past in the past. All we want is for whoever is leading the country to get a move on and do it properly... but unfortunately there has been and is still too much corruption happening and we have a right to point that out and call for reform. Simples.
You have a fowl mouth too.
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Sinudeity_
Tasto - "SA mineral resources without care to affected miners"Shame, and what about the poor policemen that were butchered by these savages?
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Sinudeity_
Tasto - The police were not even given time to bury their fellow officers, they had to go back to the hill the next day. No week of mourning for them.Report Abuse
Sjekula
@Sinudeity_"Black people", instead of helping make the country work, they buuurn down libraries, they buuurn down schools, they block highways and chop up policemen.
And yet you want them to degrade your party. All DA wants is a black vote so they can have a hold on Africans, nothing more, didn't I tell you that before. How can you call yourselves a non-racial party if you can make such comments about a certain race?
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Maxiti255
@ SOLUTION and @ Sinudeity_You people better catch a wake up, change is coming when the econommy will be transfered to the right hands. CODESA sympathised with whites thinking they will cooperate but what they do they continued to opress a black child economically.
The day has come for Economic freedom. "Radical policy change" can you hear that, sounds lekker hey.
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skwamasamabele
I am not going to get involved in myopic, self centred arguements. In most countries, when a new govt is elected, people get behind and drive the economy. In America, when Obama got in, the situation that occured was the same as when the ANC got into power in SA. It seems, to me, the Prophets Of Doom (Led by Poppitlove & Sinudiety Brigade), were negative from the start, which to me equals....Racism. Notion that black people cannot run any economy is entrenched in Rednecks, instead of helping the economy by contributing to current status quo, they want to prove to whoever cares to listen that: we told you so. Like I said, If you dont like it, ship out.Report Abuse
rivimbir
ANC failed the SA economy because they are only putting their comrades on the position which they are not fit to handle.Self centred and corrupt comrades played a big role in the cause of the failure of our economy ,transformation is required in our country.Report Abuse
Tasto
@Sinudeity_Tasto - And the ANC stole you childrens future, feeding you bantu education.
Bantu education is your policy, anc does not have race based education don't lie & deliberatley shove this ....
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Sjekula
Africans must catch a wake up, this is their battle, they must fight it, never expect the son/daughter of the slave master to understand their plight. The sad reality is that in every bad situation in SA, the victim never changes colour, always African.Report Abuse
Poppitlove
@Maxiti255Please give me a proper definition for economic freedom.
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Sinudeity_
Sjekula - "How can you call yourselves a non-racial party if you can make such comments about a certain race?"Im not a member nor do I work for the DA :P
What comments? Im merely stereotyping. Just like all the ANC fanboys have been stereotyping me. Apparently Im looting our natural resources, and I perpetuated apartheid (Even though I was just 10 years old). So why cant I stereotype black folks?
But its true ne? Whites whine about the ANC, but at least they dont protest violently.
Like I have been saying, merely reciprocating.
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Poppitlove
@SjekulaAfricans must catch a wake up, this is their battle, they must fight it, never expect the son/daughter of the slave master to understand their plight. The sad reality is that in every bad situation in SA, the victim never changes colour, always African.
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You have all the tools to not be victims, you just choose to stay that way. Address this unhappiness with you leaders.
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Sjekula
"Any form of political freedom which does not touch on proper distribution of wealth will be meaningless. Whites have locked up within a small minority of themselves, the greater proportion of the country's wealth, and if we have a mere change of face of those in governing positions, what is likely to happen is that black people will continue to be poor, and we will get a few blacks filtering through into the so called bourgeoisie and our society will be ran almost as of yesterday" Steve BikoReport Abuse
UKUFA!
Well said Honourable ***Comrade Maxiti255*** we will show them how to spend money so that we can also have Economic freedom like our brothers up north.Report Abuse
Sjekula
@PoppitloveI think I've already said that, Africans must stop running after white people.
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Sinudeity_
Tasto - "Bantu education is your policy, anc does not have race based education don't lie & deliberatley shove this"So what? Its not about race based education. Its about the ANC government giving your kids INFERIOR education.
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Poppitlove
@Maxiti255@UKUFA!
Definition of economic freedom: (please note, it states every person)
Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every person to control his or her own labor and property. In an economically free society, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please, with that freedom both protected by the state and unconstrained by the state
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Sinudeity_
Sjekula - And steve biko said that quote when?You know that black folks have more money combined than white folks right? So now the majority of wealth of the country is in the hands of black folks.
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Poppitlove
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@Poppitlove
I think I've already said that, Africans must stop running after white people
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I apologise, I have misread your comment.
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Sjekula
@Sinudeity_"Whites whine about the ANC, but at least they dont protest violently. "
Whites have all the money to take the government to court, but what my people have, is themselves. What kind of a person accepts poverty, I cannot live in poverty, me and my friends have proven that. Ilanga lishonile bafana mazibuye izinkomo esigangeni, that's the song we used to listen to in 1995, and we dedicated all our efforts to that.
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Poppitlove
@SjekulaAgain, apologies, I'm a bit on a roll today. My family's lives has been in danger twice now and I'm therefore personally affected by the uncontrolled violence in the country. I just want it all to stop.
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Sjekula
@Sinudeity_"You know that black folks have more money combined than white folks right? So now the majority of wealth of the country is in the hands of black folks."
They just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites.
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Poppitlove
SjekulaThey just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites.
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Are those not the people that was pushed to the top by the ANC? If I'm wrong I apologise in advance, however that is my understanding. They are not under whites, they are under the ANC?
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Sinudeity_
Sjekula - "They just happen to be black, but still think like you, and submit to whites"Eh? What does this even mean?
"Whites have all the money to take the government to court, but what my people have, is themselves."
You mean, blacks can build themselves R16 million homes, spend R15 million of tax money on their wives every year, spend over a BILLION rand on luxury vehicles, but what your people have, are themselves?
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Moffdat
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Poppitlove
@MoffdatWhat a lovely day!
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For a bit of debate....
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Moffdat
Poppitloveof but of course
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MommaC
MoffdatThat had nothing to do with them selling Sasol or any of the other state owned enterprises.
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TheMan2000
The question is why was Apartheid was so successful?. The ANC need to implement their policies with intensity just like the NP did with their Apartheid policies in order to be successful. Nationalize the Reserve Bank and most of the banks in the country which are more friendly to the haves which most are whites. Give people land (with title deeds) especially does staying in the former homelands areas. BEE policy should be scrapped and the shares given to the public not to some one wealthy well connected idividual. South Africa is country owned by white people not blacks as some would like us to believe. Economic Freedom in our lifetime.Report Abuse
Sinudeity_
TheMan2000 - The irony is, that many of the successful apartheid policies was scrapped by the ANC. Teacher training colleges, technical colleges, masonry training schools, inspectors at schools, 4 provinces...Instead of nationalising the banks, rather let the government start a bank. Although I smell loads of tax money, loads of corruption, and loads of bailouts.
Dont give people land with title deeds, let them buy the land rather. Or have government subsidize new land owners. The government spent R3 billion last year, bailing out 400 new black farmers. Should rather use that money to help new farmers buy the land, instead of just giving it away for free.
This culture of free stuff is creating a culture of laziness. Nobody wants to work for something, nobody wants to save.
"South Africa is country owned by white people not blacks as some would like us to believe."
So, just like apartheid and its successful policies that you mentioned, why not learn from successful white folks instead? You are unfortunately not learning anything from the looks of things, about the value of education etc.
You are already economically free. What you do with your freedom is up to you.
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Aleco
They kept talking and admitting but the bottom line is they fix nothing.Things are getting worse everyday.Prices are getting high everyday,a white man has climbed this ladder far more than before 1994.The salaries gab is continually widening as if is no ANC concern,as a results the death at Marikana while on the other hand profit margins are high.In other words ANC allows the richer to become more richer at the expense of poor,whilst on the other hand they steal from poors - Corruption.We were fooled in 2004 and 2009 cause we thought it was a mistake,No it was not but it was on purpose hence ANC know when to admit their fuckups,lookin ahead elections,this time ....
We are sick of hearing about radical policies,infrustructures etc in other words theory with no implementation.
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RobinH
Tasto & Poppitlove: Please do not draqw me into your private debate there. I am not involved and have nmo interest in that discussion.Report Abuse
Sjomba
I'm not taking another "WALK TO ECONOMIC FREEDOM".Report Abuse
CB045
" We thought when we acquired power we would use it to change the economic terrain."So! Who is the 'we' he is talking about? I thought it was all about breaking the unfair Apartheid rule, but I notice that it was after the loot they were after all the time! Apartheid, after 18 years still exist today but the Blacks have got much richer by dictating the terms, and Whites have been victimized for the privilages they enjoyed in the past.
What is now so disappointing is that the ANC, in their hatred for Whites, are replacing them by inefficient Blacks who haven't a clue what to do, but rely on the remaining staff to 'carry on as usual'. The results of their economic greed is only now dawning upon them as protests are becoming increasingly violent and the money-pot becoming a bit more difficult to fill. For 18 years the ANC have been pointed out by the press about their unlawful acts and always had a defensive response to the problem highlighted. Should South Africa wait for another 18-plus years for some improvement, or should it vote in a new government other than ANC. A government who do not discriminate against race, colour or religion and pledges to work for its citizens' best interest.
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ErnestR
The greatest crises in South Africa today is the vast "Oversupply" of unemployed people ==== This is directly caused by the under supply of employers. We need to create an oversupply of employers as this will eliminate unemployment.Report Abuse
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