RobinH

It is utterly reprehensible to see how our politicians are using this terrible tragedy for political mileage. Have they no conscience whatsoever? Have they absolutely no regard for the well-being of people. This fat freak is creating completely absurd expectations in these relatively uneducated people, and that can only lead to more frustration when his ridiculous clarion calls come to nothing. What a disgusting, opportunistic excuse for a man.
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Kgaoza606

Police must so maar lock this bastard Malema for the millions he stole in Limpopo with Mathale...
R.I.P to the 34 miners, security guards and policemen who've lost their lives. Its a pity this tragic incident has given this greedy-opportunist Malema something to capitalise on...
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Sageville

Yes Malema, a national tragedy is the perfect time to spew your political anti-Zuma agenda.
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MommaC

Pity nobody cared BEFORE the bullets started flying. Maybe it wouldn't have happened then
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Flemza

Malema why should you trust Zuma , Zuma doesn`t need your trust , Zuma can still go on without your trust , infact who cares about your trust If I where you I would reserve my trust for Winnie Mandela than Zuma , Winnie need your trust not Zuma , us the rest of the country we will trust Zuma except u so who cares
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tumzangwana

'I do not trust Zuma' - Malema
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join the que, juju.

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Tsatsatsa

I have said this before: Iyaxabanisa lenja ewuMalema.
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sh!tFaceSamsung

"I don't trust zume" - me too
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Mmmooohooo

I wonder WHAT statement did jullius wrote???/??/?/???
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RobinH

Mmmooohooo: The one written in big letters in crayon.
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Gusheshe

@Flemza

Count me out bra i dont like Julias bt i dnt trust Zoomer either. Julias ke masepa dai boy he opens cases of murder against police ke gore whether ba mokobile or not ga a tsee masepa o dira dilo ka swele
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DJWinner

Why is this guy playing with lives of poor people? These people are still traumatised for what happened to them, but this guy is going there to try and gain some political points using them. I mean, he sees Zuma everytime at Luthuli house, they hold meetings in the same building. Why is he not confronting Zuma there? And punch him on a face if he wants? fokof, man.
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RobinH

DJWinner. Again we are agreed on this. Great. Have a good afternoon.
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The-Rothschilds

who cares who you trust?
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RobinH

Ag, tomorrow or the next day he'll be best buddies again, just depending on the direction of the wind.
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fokofpolisiekar

i dont trust the both of you
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SWEETYK

@ ALL

GOOD DAY LOVIES

The-Rothschilds
who cares who you trust?
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I'm with you on this one, my words exactly!
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babyfats

tsatsa lol lol lmao joe waze wangqeda
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thathakonke

Instead of calming the situation he just makes things worse. He saw a good opportunity and he grabed it and to hell with the victims and all other people who are affected by this massacre. I hope Julias sleeps well at night knowing very well he careless about this people he is doing it for his political gain for the Managung conference. Oh by the way Juju I also don't trust you nor you father Zuma
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sh!tFaceSamsung

Julius is a good sherpard - o modisi wa potego :
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SWEETYK

I don't like Zuma but Malema aka NO PEACE yena o sele worse, nxa he's playing with other people's lives.
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slowfootsurefoot

didn`t he ask for mthetwa and zuma to be axed?now he trusts mthethwa`s police so much that he goes to them to lay charges.can he be trusted/
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RobinH

slowfoot. Logic is not our friend Julius's strong suit.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

Funny how Bozo meets Barney was mum about the text book scandal in his hometown.

I heard on the news that the so called Friends of the ANCYL will be footing the bill for legal expenses (should the miners pursue the matter further by suing SAPS)

I cannot for the life of me understand how grown up men can be dicated to by a "youth president"
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Popeye

Hhayi Juju nawe…there is no difference between you and Zuma. If you don’t trust Zuma…mina, I don’t trust both of you. People are dead lapha wena mbuzi. Both of you are scoring cheap political points…sies phi!!! We don’t need any political monsters in our society…doti.
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Mhambuma1

Malema is spewing bile and talking stupid when he calls for police to investigate this tragedy. How can you expect a player on a field to ref a match at the same time? The overfed one needs to think first before he opens that big mouth of his.
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RobinH

MsKinky: Bozo meets Barney! I LOVE IT. MARRY ME. lol
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Sane1

I DON'T AND WILL NEVER TRUST YOU TOO!!!

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little

i don't Trust Shawara man as well

Juju my President
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kiii

I wonder who is an illiterate and stupid between malema and those those that call him those names. after reading what some very educated and clever people writes in attempt to degrade malema, i really wonder! viva the only man that says what he likes like my Biko wrote what he likes.
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mtswenvtm

Malema ur an arsehole ...People r mourning their loved ones nd wena your pushing ur useless political agenda...Sies maan awunanhlonipho.Umtwana ongezwa ongemanqondo.
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2nevvy4u

I do not trust Zuma. ,” Malema said
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are you still going to killl for him?
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kiii

@Popeye,Mmmooohooo,Sane1,Mhambuma1

let us give it up to the most courageous young man in South Africa since the days of Mandela and Biko. vivi malema !viva SA
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Fernie

Julius....please, I'm begging you....do not dance on other people's blood. The country is moaning. People lost their lives. Just respect that and just for once, close your mouth. You are making no sense. Let's give the commission a chance and we'll take it from there.
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Sinudeity_

I dont trust jacob or julius.
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kiii

@2nevvy4u
we are out of what was said yeas back, grow up. malela has apologized and moved on, he made zuma and thereafter realized he made a mistake and apologized. that is leadership quality and honesty. please grow up.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

@RobinH
MsKinky: Bozo meets Barney! I LOVE IT. MARRY ME. lol
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YOu can negotiate with Linmim miners to give platinum........ I dont know where you will get the yellow diamond and tanzanite......... #wink#

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kiii

@Fernie
What? you also do not make sense... lol
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kiii

@mtswenvtm When we were killed by apartheid, it did not stop the struggle. we have been killed again by those we trusted to defend us, I promise you all that it will still not stop the struggle. Economic freedom in our life time or nothing. the commission is rubbish, we all know the problem is not unions rivalry but economic situation of workers. Vivi malema.
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Sinudeity_

kiii - Hehehe, we know what the REAL problem is. This culture of violence in South Africa.
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Charley4sure

Only fools and tribalist trust Zuma neither do I trust Malema.
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kiii

lol you are not very honest, a hungry man is an angry man and an angry man is an unreasonable man. herein lies the problem.
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Secretary

Aaagggg come on Malema.You talk as if there is a single normal person who trust Zuma in RSA. Your input is long overdue. We do not trust Zuma. Only few Nkanlda acient people who are illiterate can dare to trust that double head of sh!t president. You may preceed to opent the cases. You are welcome to opent the case of arms deal yourself.Zuma is just a zum zum, a correct zulu leader and its traditional contents. Zuma has insuficient memory to address the rest of the country. You would not treat this democratic country as your other family and expect good results.
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kiii

@Charley4sure strong words, though I also have not seen any reason to trust such a morally bankrupt man.
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mhlupheki

who cares i know you trust mugabe and the late gadaffi so you leave the president alone. you days are numberd boy be carefull either you greed will take to somewhere
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kiii

@Sinudeity_ lol..........you are not very honest, a hungry man is an angry man and an angry man is an unreasonable man. herein lies the problem.
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Kaylae

from the pic these miners means business tjeeer
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Sinudeity_

kiii - A dude who earns R10,000 a month isnt hungry. It never will and never has been allright to bring weapons to work if you are unhappy. If the dudes are hungry, why did they chop up two security guards last week? Did they want to eat him?
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kiii

@Kaylae they are hungry and justifiably angry, if really democracy is for us all, there would not be reason for such anger after 18 years. compare their plight with what is happening is a village in KZN, u understand why they mean business.
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Mbedzhana

Many communities protesting against poor service delivery suffer police repression and excessive state violence on a daily basis ... The ANC will stop at nothing to defend the narrow interests of the political elite.
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kiii

@Sinudeity_ I do not wish to trivialize this issue nor condone their violent behavior, rather engage it from an honest point of view. but concluding that they earn 10,000 is really not fare because a unionist that feeds on their blood has made such claims. you do not wish to earn or be like them in your life time or do you?
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Danielrjvvuren

In JuJus head if Zuma takes a sh!t it is politically motivated can someone just shut juju up?
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Mbedzhana

What began as a typically grating labour dispute between unions and a mining magnate over poor wages and working conditions - the daily grist of fragile labour relations in South Africa - turned quickly into a week of violent clashes with police, talk of death threats and sporadic killings.

And then came the game changer.

Thirty-four striking miners were killed and scores more were wounded when police unleashed a spray of bullets at the assembled crowd outside the Lonmin-owned platinum mine at Marikana on Thursday, in what is being described as the most violent police operation since the end of apartheid.

Confusion over the finer details of the shooting still abounds, but just days later, scrutiny of the shooting itself pales against the more probing questions of the real character of South Africa that it has exposed.

In fact, scrutiny has now fallen on the incongruities of post-apartheid South Africa - perhaps more closely than ever before.

With the aid of the perhaps illusionary rhetoric of "the new South Africa" that is hard at work tackling an ever widening income inequality gap, a rampant rate of gender violence and a stubborn culture of corruption, the ANC-led government has been able to choreograph a compelling narrative of satisfactory growth, multicultural reconciliation, and political stability, at the tip of a continent that many perceive as locked into a spiral of poverty, exploitation and ruthless mismanagement.

In apparent reward for rescuing itself from Apartheid without too much fuss, South Africa punches far above its weight in world politics. The country's inclusion into the BRICS club of emerging economies, its membership to the G20, two stints as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council and, most recently, its successful election to the chair of the AU Commission, all go to illustrate South Africa's growing clout on the world stage.

But for millions of disenfranchised South Africans, the country's gleaming global image is at sharp odds with a more harsh reality, says Andile Mngxitama, a prominent columnist and editor of the New Frank Talk magazine.

"The gloss of [hosting] the FIFA World Cup was always an attempt to communicate a different story of what was happening on the ground," he told Al Jazeera.
Dozens killed in South Africa mine shooting



"Now the world has caught a glimpse of this other reality."

'Abnormal country'

Despite being classified as an upper-middle income country by the World Bank, unemployment in South Africa sits between 25 and 36 per cent. An estimated 50 per cent of the population lives under the poverty line. Recently, Unicef said that seven out of ten children live in homes that endure severe poverty. The group also discussed a set of circumstances that places the country in an unlikely position to be able to reunite its diverging societies of rich and poor.

Then in June, the World Bank applied its newly developed Human Opportunity Index to South Africa and the results were far from flattering.

While the report lauded the impressive gains made in access to primary education, electricity and telecommunications, it noted as well that the spatial effects of Apartheid still determined how well these services were actually distributed.

President Jacob Zuma himself has alluded to failed economic transformation when he said, also in June 2012: "The structure of Apartheid-era economy has remained largely intact."

The disparate world of rampant inequality, where the black majority continues to live in an apparent disconnect from the vision of the new dispensation, was echoed widely in angry editorials of the The Sowetan and Amandla magazine, the morning after the shooting.

The Sowetan described South Africa as "an abnormal country … where the value of human life, especially that of the African, continues to be meaningless", while Amandla said the tragedy "sums up the shallowness of transformation".

It is the narrative of transformation, South Africa's ability to emerge from an ugly past through negotiations and reconciliation that has been abruptly torn asunder by events in Marikana this week.

"The lack of humanity on both sides is a slap in the face of what we thought was possible," explained Ari Sitas, sociology lecturer at the University of Cape Town.

Similarly, Lubna Nadvi, an activist and lecturer in politics at the University of KwaZulu-Natal told Al Jazeera: "The underbelly will rear its ugly head every once in a while, if the country's real problems are left unaddressed."

While the world hails South Africa as the definitive gateway to Africa, encouraging the country to assert its clout more prominently across the continent, a growing discontent lurking beneath the surface has been brushed aside. Low-income suburbs are crippled by an overwrought electrical grid; dusty townships remain lawless and insecure, and up to 12 million South Africans live in slums, where they face poor sanitation, barriers to water access and attacks on human dignity.

"Many communities protesting against poor service delivery suffer police repression and excessive state violence on a daily basis," Mngxitama said.
Police brutality

South African police say they were acting in self-defence at Marikana on Thursday, but the scale of the damage, recorded in part by television cameras, has once more set off alarm bells concerning the capacity of the police and a perception among some regarding their inclination towards violence. In 2011, police behaviour was highlighted when community leader Andries Tatane died after a beating, reportedly at the hands of police, during a protest in Ficksburg in the Free State.

Sipho Hlongwane, political correspondent at Daily Maverick, said that the most shocking aspect of the Marikana incident was the reportedly slow response of the police and authorities.

"This incident did not come out of the blue, like perhaps the [Andries] Tatane incident … it was brewing for a week. Ten people had already died and still the police and authorities did nothing," he said.

"Many communities protesting against poor service delivery suffer police repression and excessive state violence on a daily basis ... The ANC will stop at nothing to defend the narrow interests of the political elite."

- Andile Mngxitama, New Frank Talk


"The ANC will stop at nothing to defend the narrow interests of the political elite."

Hlongwane's observation is particularly significant when viewed in the context of police operations at community protests in recent years.

A study [PDF] by the Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation (CSVR) titled The smoke that calls, completed in 2011, focused on xenophobic violence and community protests in South Africa over the past decade, and found that police were either guilty of responding too late or found to have "escalated confrontation and tension", including "incidents of assault and allegations of torture against suspected protest leaders".

The frequent incidence of community protests against local government and the slow rate of service delivery has been one manifestation of a rising anger with the ruling ANC for inadequately representing the needs of the country's poor.
But even as President Zuma calls for an inquiry into the Marikana shootings, many believe that it is a dissatisfaction with the ANC and its trade union partner COSATU - the biggest labour confederation in the country - to adequately take up the plight of the country's marginalised that first fed the rise of renegade youth leader Julius Malema, and the creation of rivals to COSATU.

That so many workers "left" the National Union of Mineworkers, an affiliate of COSATU, to support the rival Association of Mineworkers and Constrution Union in an "illegal" strike in lieu of higher wages is indicative of the sheer desperation felt by many miners.

"The danger here is that COSATU appears to be failing to convince people that they can speak for their needs adequately," Hlongwane said.
He is, however, reluctant to stress dissatisfaction with the ANC as an undercurrent of events in Marikana this week.

"I try to resist pushing this incident into a larger narrative of the ANC government not caring and not responding to the needs of the people - [but] their poor response ties into this," said Hlongwane. "Though I do think we should look at this company and where bargaining processes went wrong."

Labour power

President Zuma cut short a trip to Mozambique to visit Marikana on Friday, but lecturer Sitas said the inquiry he announced is unlikely to reveal the greater causes of the incident.

"The commission will have a hard time in arriving at anything sensible," he said. "They will be obsessing about who fired the first bullet."
"The commission will have a hard time in arriving at anything sensible ... They will be obsessing about who fired the first bullet."

- Ari Sitas, University of Cape Town



The bigger dilemma, it would appear, is understanding how the increasing drudgery of the working class towards traditional union leadership, for long seen as the vanguard of the social and economic interests of workers in South Africa, will affect the ANC's most reliable voter base.

And it is within this context of job vulnerability - in which people are made to feel insecure - that workers must choose sides.

"Either you are compliant or rebellious or, often, there is an oscillation between the two," Sitas said.

However bullish COSATU has become in South African politics, trading influence with government over real bargaining power on the shopfloor, as Sitas described it, or building a worker aristocracy, as Mngxitama calls it, workers aren't likely to reject the ANC just yet.

"There is a mismatch between reality that sees people vote for the ANC, and the ANC-led government's inability to deliver promises," Mngxitama said.

But it won't always remain this way.

The comparisons of Thursday's incident with the Sharpeville massacre of 1960 - when apartheid police shot and killed 69 black protesters - are already doing the rounds; so too, have parallels been drawn with the North African and Arab uprisings.

Not so fast, Sitas interjects.

"This is still our government, not a [Hosni] Mubarak government. I do not see it as dramatic as Egypt. The comparison with Sharpeville - in terms of firepower - could be equated, but it is irresponsible to say it is the same thing."

Nevertheless, the incident at the Lonmin mine in Marikana this week may signal the end of the world's honeymoon with "the miracle" of post-Apartheid South Africa.

"The world is watching," Nadvi concluded. "They probably don't fully understand what they have just witnessed, but they know now that there are some serious issues here."
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kiii

@Mbedzhana the truth hurts, than for saying the truth. I belong to ANC but what they are doing to our people is shameful. at any point in time they will use one comrade to divert all attention of proper governance which we voted them in for.
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kiii

@Danielrjvvuren
In JuJus head if Zuma takes a sh!t it is politically motivated can someone just shut juju up?
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you shot him up
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Popeye

kiii
@Popeye,Mmmooohooo,Sane1,Mhambuma1
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Attention seeker…just like Juju. Phuma kimi wean xamu…I don’t have time for s**t.
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Fernie

@Kiii....you don't say much, you are defending something that is incorrect. Julius is simple trying to score cheap or shall I say very cheap political points. People were killed here in case you don't know.
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The-Rothschilds

Malema is doing a good job at exposing just how crooked the ANC.

Yet he knew about this activity all along and yet was completely silenced about politically connected illegal activity and yet he said nothing.

Now that you have been given the boot, why should anyone trust what you have to say?
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kiii

@Popeye
those that can't engage meaningfully call names and run, let us engage if you really know what you are saying unless you are paid to protect narrow agenda.
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Drboom

I don’t trust him too Malema but what we can do?
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Flemza

Zuma just make this Malema guy commissioner of police , Malema feels left out
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Budapat

is it not illegal to carry weapons when marching, protesting or picketing? do away with weapons and demonstrate peacefully please
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kiii

@The-Rothschilds do not forget that malema had the chance to remain in ANC only if he apologized and stayed in the queue. he is expelled today because he swore to right what he helped wrong hence he is the most courageous young man in South Africa today give it to him. If you were in his shoes, you would have accepted all the offers and stayed in ANC. Viva malema.
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Yotywa

I do agree with Malema, a case must be opened for murder against police. They have killed too.

Shush the fact that they were protecting themselves. Where was teargas and water canonnon.....
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CYBORICO

the rap guys say hate the game n leave the man out of it, guess Juju is not a fan, he could have learned a thing or two,

this future leader, the one who always speaks tjatjarag whenevr given a chance, thinks JZ has political interest in the mine masacre, and clever sowetan prints the gabage.

“The person who established this commission is not an honest man. He established it to arrive at certain conclusions,” Malema said.

So is the above statement fact or just speculation by a bitter man, many already took this as fact especially those that need to feel b4 they can decide on something, well can someone tell me what i missed couse this is just gabage to me and was not even worth print
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kiii

@Fernie may i know what is incorrect that I am defending? I would not know if you did not tell me.
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Moffdat

The churches say politicians shouldn't involved... aren't they a part of the same hypocrisy?
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Danielrjvvuren

kiii
So engage then, we have a president who wants to investigate the matter and a...what is he now? Citizen who defies every move he makes. He has taken some miners to now lay charges of murder against the police. I am no fan of Mr Zuma, but this boy is on his heel like those small dogs ankle biters. He has become like the DA pointing out every flaw their is and just spreading more lies and stress. I do not know what this boy is thinking but its not thinking like an adult
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kiii

@CYBORICO you are entitled to your garbage opinion which the same sowetan printed anyway. malema should be allowed to say his mind at all times. zuma is not honest is he ?
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JohnStone

The matter under discussion is never about Zuma,the ANC, apartheid, mine shares ownership, nationalizatio et al. This is about Julius Sello Malema, ex-ANCYL President, expelled ANC member. This man has expressed hope that "if" and when Zuma is no longer ANC president, then he Juju will "come back and lead" the ANC. No wonder Juju is dancing on the blood of the dead in order to remain politically relevant. Malema will use any opportunity or situation to criticize Zuma as that keeps him in the news.

Juju does not care about those who died, he cares more about himself and his future political ambitions. His hunger for political power has blinded him to a point that he exposes his stupidity and ignorance. In his quest to belittle Zuma, he "trusts" the police more than Zuma. Does Juju even know that the same policeman who took the statement and opened a docket was also shooting at the "warriors of Marikana"? And Juju believes that the same policman will arrest himself. Juju is dumber than I always thought.

Evidence in the public domain suggests that the police were fired at first before they returned fire. Does Juju ever care about the other 10 people that died before the police shot at an armed band that was advancing and attacking them? Two security guards were shot at, hacked and burned inside their car, two police officers were hacked and their faces chopped off their families could not recognize them, six miners were killed for being members of NUM and Juju finds this a perfect opportunity to "profit" from their blood.

My advice to Juju is: Jujuboy, stop dancing on the blood of the dead, their spirits will haunt you all the way to Sterkfontein Mental Hospital!!

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Drboom

Hahahahaha I don’t trust Malema too...He once said he will killll for Zuma when they oust Mbeki but now he throws tantrum to Zuma since Zuma turn out not to be what he wanted him to be....I agree with you....If Zuma can put Malema somewhere in ANC then all this talk with be opposite....Talk about an retarded hypocrite.....
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Moffdat

Being a career politician is the worst. If you keep out of things you don't care, if you get involved you don't care. Eish tswara 22!
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kiii

@Danielrjvvuren politics is about interest and ideology, whereas you do not feel comfortable, you are duty bound to point out it does not matter how many times. It also does not matter if people believe you or not. What ever we post here doesn't make sense to all but we post them anyway. Why not let malema have his space to participate in South African politics like he chooses. you are equally as guilty as malema and DA because what ever malema says, you also counter. now who is fooling who. It is all about malemafobia and nothing else.
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kiii

@Drboom malema apologised for his mistakes and we should move on. those that perpetrated apartheid have not apologized till now but we were encouraged to move on. why not move on, malema apologized and is fighting very hard to right the wrong. viva malema.
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mokudubete

ALL POLITICIAN ARE THE SAME,I DON'T TRUST THEM ALL.
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kiii

@JohnSton
oh! you are a num leader, no wonder you are not making any sense because the real truth of the interest of your leadership is being exposed. malema will never make sense till he stops calling a spade a spade. your num sec. could not answer to questions in Justice factor about his affluence while his subjects live in abject poverty. viva malema.
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Sinudeity_

kiii - Julius didnt apologise to me. As for myself, I have nothing to apologise for. Go dig up verwoerd and tell him to apologise.

Do we ask you to apologise for the ANC stealing R30 billion a year from the country?
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Sinudeity_

kiii - Whatever, julius is a hypocrite and a scuuumbag. Using the poor to further his agenda, while building his multimillion rand house. Making promises to deliver shoes to schools and wheelchairs to disabled homes, forgetting about them, only to have some good meaning white folks deliver the shoes and wheelchairs.

A hypocrite that stole from the people of Limpopo, and has expenditures of over a million rand a year. Tells people they need 'relish' while drinking moet champagne.

One of these days, the poor folks are going to drag julius naked through their streets.
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Gweez

Word to SOWETAN...not every utterance that comes out of Julius Dom Kop malema is news worth...next thing be publishing his farts..come now
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kiii

@Sinudeity_ lol....he apologized to South Africans, sorry if you are not one. those that benefited from the policies of verwoerd should apologize and give up the loot the same way ill-gotted wealth is being forfeited to asset forfeiture units irrespective of who benefited from them. Malema have realized that ANC strayed and is struggling to bring them back to the rail. I am not responding to the legation of R30 billion because it remains to be tested to proof that this is correct. I am not saying that they are not capable of this though
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mokudubete

ONLY IF WE CAN BELIEVE THAT "HE FOR HIMSELVE AND GOD FOR US ALL"NO ONE CAN IMPROVE ONE'SLIFE EXCEPT YOUSELF,THOSE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FOR THIER FAMILIES,WHAT THEY DO IS A CARRIER LIKE ANY OTHER CARRIERS,WHILE U ARE BUSY FIGHTING AND CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES ON THEIR ACCOUNTS,THEY ARE MAKING MONEY.
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kiii

@Gweez common reason before you write and stop abusing the little opportunity you have in your work place as a receptionist. If sowetan could publish what a no body like you posted, why will they not publish how malema defecates.
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kiii

@mokudubete though I agree we must engage without name calling but I totally disagree with you that we should not be concerned when issues that affects the nation is being discussed. there were calls to disregard leaders like Mandela, biko, tambo,robert etc.malema is the man of the moment hence we must listen when he talks.
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Lord-Have-Mercy

i dont think water cannon was necessary, that place is so dry in such a way that water would have been highly absorbed to ground thus failing to hit directly to the protestes

the picture just tromatised me the first time i laid my eyes on it. Cameraman is brave man.
Give that camareman a bells!!



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Sinudeity_

kiii - LOL, how about the ANC corrupt dudes give up their ill gotten wealth?

Think julius should be first.
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kiii

@Lord-Have-Mercy all of us suffered same while watching, south africa should not see such atrocity committed by those in power again.
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Sinudeity_

kiii - "I am not responding to the legation of R30 billion because it remains to be tested to proof that this is correct."

The AG released the report of R30 billion a year.

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2011/10/17/a-g-slates-fruitless-expense
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kiii

@Sinudeity_ recently, it was published that malema's company investigation was over, I am still waiting for his arrest. do you think he will be this fear less if he was corrupt as the commercial media painted?.Zuma and his group should give up their loot but why they have not is because they are being supported by the apartheid legacy of corruption selfishness.
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Fernie

@Kiii, if what @Johnstone is saying doesn't help you I really don't know. Your love or support for Julius is really distracting you from constructive engagement.
I quote Johnstone again "The matter under discussion is never about Zuma,the ANC, apartheid, mine shares ownership, nationalizatio et al. This is about Julius Sello Malema, ex-ANCYL President, expelled ANC member. This man has expressed hope that "if" and when Zuma is no longer ANC president, then he Juju will "come back and lead" the ANC. No wonder Juju is dancing on the blood of the dead in order to remain politically relevant. Malema will use any opportunity or situation to criticize Zuma as that keeps him in the news."

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Sinudeity_

kiii - "recently, it was published that malema's company investigation was over"

The paper had to apologise for saying that. Because the investigation is far from over. But its been confirmed that SARS/PP and the Hawks are investigating julius.

Will wait patiently. The day that he is nailed we will make it a week of celebration.
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kiii

Sinudeity_ The AG released the report of R30 billion a year.
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in the report, I did not read that the AN C stole R30 billion, did you?hence I said your causation needs to be tested to proof its merit
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Sinudeity_

kiii - "in the report, I did not read that the AN C stole R30 billion, did you?hence I said your causation needs to be tested to proof its merit"


LOL, of course, because the tooth fairies stole R30 billion from the ANC GOVERNMENTS :P

No wait, verwoerd rises from the grave every year to steal R30 billion from the tax payers.
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kiii

@Sinudeity_ from the look of things, we shall wait till thy kingdom come. it is all a plot to keep him quiet. what is too big for police, hawk,pp,SARS to investigate about one person.maybe, malema is the reason for the poverty in South Africa hey. .
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Sinudeity_

kiii - Nah, the problem is there are beeeeg fish involved here. They are making sure they have airtight evidence before they jump. Dont you remember how long it took the police to nail Selebi?
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mokudubete

@KIII I ALSO AGREE BUT I DONT THINK PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING ISSUES HERE,ALL I AM READING IS PEOPLE PERPETRATING HATRED AND EXHUMING APARTHEID WOUNDS WITHOUT GIVING SOLUTIONS THAT THE SAME LEADERS U MENTIONED WOULD WANT TO SEE.
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kiii

Sinudeity_ lol you seem so keen in celebrating the legacies of this your uncle verwoerd , well, going by how south Africa is moving, who cares how you got enriched , its either via verwoerd theory of zumaville
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kiii

@mokudubete you are right, its all about hate, now the whole nation have been deceived to believe that one small boy malema is their problem hence the people at the helm of affairs are having a field day with mismanagement of our collective wealth. we need proper leadership and not malemaphobia
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Sinudeity_

kiii - "lol you seem so keen in celebrating the legacies of this your uncle verwoerd , well, going by how south Africa is moving, who cares how you got enriched , its either via verwoerd theory of zumaville"


Actually, very few of us get enriched because of actual work :P
I happen to be one of them.

So, you were not enriched by verwoerd... then Im guessing you are one of zuma's ho's?
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kiii - "the people at the helm of affairs are having a field day with mismanagement of our collective wealth. we need proper leadership and not malemaphobia"

Yeah, collective wealth of R30 billion annually (that we know of), the same amount I quoted earlier, but you denied :P

And yeah, we need better leadership. Zuma, julius and the ANC must go f*** themselves.
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kilo39plus

I think the nation as a whole needs to fully understand what is meant by 'FREEDOM', and more particularly what said freedom does not entitle you to. A basic example is that your freedom does not mean you can do what you want, when you want and how you want. We all must live within societal and lawful contraints no matter our situation....or we must face the consequences and/or take responsibility for our own actions. The miners, in my opinion, had clearly decided that they were the law, they were acting on behalf of the whole of society, and that their anarchy was justified.....I don't need to tell you that the law and authority was treated with disdain, and if I were to have to rule I would have to say the police action was more than justified if only because I believe many more than the final figure would have died that day if the police hadn't stopped them.
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Sinudeity_

kilo39plus - Totally agree with that. The violent protesters have had it coming for a looooong time. Im surprised that this is the 1st time that the police killed unruly protestors.

Must be because the government banned the use of rubbet bullets a week prior to the incident.
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kiii

Sinudeity_.... unfortunately I am still not rich, I am among the few that are still struggling to bring about economic freedom in our life time but all our efforts seen to be thwarted by the verwoerd's or zuma's. in all honesty, you argue like a verwoerd descendant...lol
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kiii - "unfortunately I am still not rich, I am among the few that are still struggling to bring about economic freedom"

Nor am I rich, but I am working for myself. Im not working for a Theuns or for a Philemon. Im bringing money into the country, and participating in the economy. You dont need to thank me, Im just like that.

You argue like a malema decendant...lol.
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Sinudeity_

kiii - In fact, we should have an annual "Thank the whitey" day.

Thanks whiteys for creating employment for us. Thank whiteys for building power plants, water plants and highways and roads that we are still using today. Thanks whiteys for paying taxes, for giving people fr33 electricity, fr33 housing, fr33 schooling and fr33 services, even though you buuurn them down regularly. Thanks whiteys for growing food that we eat etc.
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@Sinudeity_ verwoerd
kiii - In fact, we should have an annual "Thank the whitey" day.

Thanks whiteys for creating employment for us. Thank whiteys for building power plants, water plants and highways and roads that we are still using today. Thanks whiteys for paying taxes, for giving people fr33 electricity, fr33 housing, fr33 schooling and fr33 services, even though you buuurn them down regularly. Thanks whiteys for growing food that we eat etc
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you are right, we should celebrate your apartheid legacies, anyway, we are doing our best to celebrate your blood thirsty legacies hence you and your likes are still here as free or even more free than you were in your most celebrated apartheid days. viva ANC leadership viva.
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Sinudeity_

kiii - "we are doing our best to celebrate your blood thirsty legacies"

And so are we. Having to account for the thousands of murders every year. Having to account for the thousands of rapes. Having to account for how university students can buuurn down their own libraries. Or how parents can buuurn down their kid's school...

You do know, that when you got your fr33dom in 1994, it wasnt the freedom to lie, steal, steal, rape and murder right?
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@Sinudeity_
kiii - "we are doing our best to celebrate your blood thirsty legacies"

And so are we. Having to account for the thousands of murders every year. Having to account for the thousands of rapes. Having to account for how university students can buuurn down their own libraries. Or how parents can buuurn down their kid's school...

You do know, that when you got your fr33dom in 1994, it wasnt the freedom to lie, steal, steal, rape and murder right?
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another amnesia? you just informed me that you gave us all we have,why not accept that the rape,burning of kids, schools and every of the atrocities came from your legacy. Oh! i forgot, the sunday rapist in court now is zuma malema hey?
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skwamasamabele

Malema should hang his head in shame
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kiii

@skwamasamabele who is this?
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Tsar-Rasputin

Juju boy has charisma, love him or hate him
In or outside ANC he has kgogedi

Who thought he will still be relevant?, When he talks SA listerns

Whats wrong with not trust the next person? Infact I dont trust all of you


Hahaha
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Nyongoyamavenda

that boy is just a fat farting ass** i have no time discussing him
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Jabusto

JA LIFE MARA, RIP MARIKANA MINERS AND U JUJU LE ZUMA NXAAAA
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Bastardboy

Children in glass houses should not throw stones. Malema is a child who thinks like a Lizard . Hw WILL DO ANYTHING FOR POPULARITY . HE IS OUT THE ANC . STAY OUT NO NEED TO COME BACK .
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Traveljunie

idiot malema the populist will try and score points everywhere. this man has no morals or integrity. pity some people are to stupid to see it. but then it is proof of our failed education.

Kiiii, you are delusional
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Traveljunie

id!ot malema the populist will try and score points everywhere. this man has no morals or integrity. pity some people are to stup!d to see it. but then it is proof of our failed education.

Kiiii, you are delus!onal
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D-liciousLips

i dnt trust u juju, mxm


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