Tue Jun 18 06:47:53 SAST 2013

Fewer people are religious

Aug 10, 2012 | Sapa | 41 comments

The number of religious South Africans has dropped from 83% in 2005 to 64% this year. Ghana is the most religious country in the world with 96%

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Aug 10, 2012

DJWinner

ha ha ha ha...There is a country named South African already in hell. We are all going there....Unfortunately Mandela will be on the other side. Who will save us?
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Aug 10, 2012

Limpopoist

Thus great news,south african cannot just reject their african religion for a mere fake black book stories.

Biggist scam on human history......Jesus christ
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Aug 10, 2012

RobinH

Limpopoist: Don't single out Christ. All formal religions are basically social constructs to bolster certain agendas. But one shouldn't blame the rather remarkabl;e individual for the complete hash up people have made of his teachings.
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Aug 10, 2012

Pointman

Good news, but the problem is that the remaining 64% have become 200% more religious and close minded. They believe anything the crooked pastors tell them.

Ja @Limpopoist - Jesus was a perfect scam. When the victims feel like they have won, then you have a perfect scam. No heaven waiting on the other side.
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

One day we will all come to realise that religion is the biggest lie ever told. Interesting that the most ingorant of nations make up the highest number of believer, the most enlightned nations make up the least number of believers.

Funny how the very same person who does not know material facts about religions or who does not understand the origions and evolution of religion will tell you with pride they are born again thge irony completely lost on them. It is these very people who look down at African traditions and call them uncivilised, again the irony is glaring but completely lost kubazalwane.

Religion dumbs people down.


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Dzel

Limpopoist

Biggist scam on human history......Jesus christ
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The biggest and most successful con artist there that ever lived.

But then when someone claims to be born by immaculate conseption and that person has older brothers and sisters logic dectates there is something seriously suspect about that claim. Even people who lived in the same village he grew up in were suprised when he suddenly called himself the son of god.

Even today people think he actually died on that cross ... I just don't understand how and why someone would accept a story with so many holes as truth. It is as if when it comes to religion people stoip thinking.

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Aug 10, 2012

DJWinner

@Sowetan...Don't you think comments have to blocked in articles like this? I mean, I've been praying for the past 30 years and now people are saying I've been wasting my time on scams. This is demaging really.
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Aug 10, 2012

2nevvy4u

Ghana is the most religious country in the world with 96%
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witches hiding behind religion
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Aug 10, 2012

BrothaX

As much as religion exist to divide people but I think Darkiez need to be religious none the less just for the sake of having some sense conscious of what is right or wrong. There is nothing so dangerous like a person who cannot tell between right and wrong.
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Aug 10, 2012

MommaC

Another thumbsuck number
Less than a thousand people questioned and of those 9% didn't answer - what kind of a representative sample is that? The theories of statistics are completely out of the window.
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Aug 10, 2012

Sasafrican

Keep on praying DJ,atheist have nothing,believe in nothing and they are trying so much to recruit,dont they have nothing else to do than call believers names?If believing in nothingness makes them sleep at night ,then my prayers as well do to us ,this has nothing to do with close mindedness,i take comfort in knowing ukuthi i strive to do right whether in the end i find out theres no God.I dont do tradition personally but im Xhosa nad ekhaya they do,mna i will never waste my money ngokuxhelela abafileyo,not that i look down on people who does as its what they believe in.I say let the unbelievers do their ish and we believers do ours with no name callingz coz in the end whats good for you might not be good for me ,ekugqibeleni oxhela eyakhe akabuzwa
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

DJWinner

@Sowetan...Don't you think comments have to blocked in articles like this? I mean, I've been praying for the past 30 years and now people are saying I've been wasting my time on scams. This is demaging really.
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Heheheheheehe, shame dude.

One day you and the rest will come to accept that you had been had big time. It is difficult to see something you have believed in for so long being dismantled so easily but like I always say; there is so much information in the public domain there is no excuse for ignorance.


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Aug 10, 2012

The-Vince

LOL Nigeria 93% its all fake.......!

those people are just on a money making scheme,

Same as as Ghana, suk,a 3 out of 5 of that 93% and the 93% are going to hell, no doupt.
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

MommaC
Another thumbsuck number
Less than a thousand people questioned and of those 9% didn't answer - what kind of a representative sample is that? The theories of statistics are completely out of the window.
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You need just 30 respondants to form a natural distribution i.e. to qualify the results as being represantative of the population. It does not matter how many do not respond so long as you meet the minimum requirement to form your population.

There are rules that govern research like this, I would like to believe these were met.

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Aug 10, 2012

MommaC

Dzel

In a country as diverse as SA, it wouldn't give a fully representational figure. In order to get a statistically significant figure, they would need at least three respondents from each sector of the country - including rural and semi-rural. I don't see that having happened
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Aug 10, 2012

The-Vince

2nevvy4u
Ghana is the most religious country in the world with 96%
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witches hiding behind religion

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Spot on bro, baloyi, abathakathi nje kuphela.
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

Sasafrican

Keep on praying DJ,atheist have nothing,believe in nothing and they are trying so much to recruit,
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When faced with difficult facts you cannot dispute what is your response; keep on praying.

It is attitudes like these that prevent PROGRESS and INFORMED worship.

IGNORANCE is what makes black people dominate the number of people who are belivers broken down by race. When given information to make up our own minds we choose IGNORANCE and DIGGING OUR HEADS INTO THE GROUND and pretend reality does not exist.
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Aug 10, 2012

MommaC

Ag shame man, leave poor DJ alone. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, whatever plugs his boat and gets him through the day is fine. The opium of the masses :)
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

MommaC

Ag shame man, leave poor DJ alone. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, whatever plugs his boat and gets him through the day is fine. The opium of the masses :)
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Just when I thought you were on his side you drop a bombshell, LOL... nasty MommaC, nasty.
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Aug 10, 2012

Dzel

MommaC

In a country as diverse as SA, it wouldn't give a fully representational figure. In order to get a statistically significant figure, they would need at least three respondents from each sector of the country - including rural and semi-rural. I don't see that having happened
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I am siure they have catered for those variables, there is even what is called block variables to ensure the soundness of the results.

I majored in statistics so I am familar with the correct methodology to use in conducting research like this, on the face of it I have no concerns with the reasearch as it is in line with other studies on the topic.


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Aug 10, 2012

Sasafrican

Dzel
Sasafrican

Keep on praying DJ,atheist have nothing,believe in nothing and they are trying so much to recruit,
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When faced with difficult facts you cannot dispute what is your response; keep on praying.

It is attitudes like these that prevent PROGRESS and INFORMED worship. How so and what do you call informed worship????

IGNORANCE is what makes black people dominate the number of people who are belivers broken down by race. When given information to make up our own minds we choose IGNORANCE and DIGGING OUR HEADS INTO THE GROUND and pretend reality does not exist........If thats how you are Dzel plz dont generalise,as Momma says if we hurtin no one in praying or believing,where is the harm???The info in the bible does shape me,if you believe in the BB,that we evolved from apes and all ,fine by me,let me be scammed by my Saviour
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Aug 10, 2012

9janavy

You guys can jest all you want about Christ,it is a free world and you are entitled to your opinion.That however does not give you the right to verbally attack those who believe in GOD.I have had a personal and spiritual experience with GOD since the age of 15.It is not something i can describe,you have to experience it to know what i am talking about.

I know my GOD is real,i know Jesus is real.I don't go to church but i constantly read my bible and pray to GOD for guidance and assistance when i need it.I know what happens to me and the changes that instantly occur in my life when i do this so no matter how much you guys try to ridicule it ,i know my GOD is real.
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Aug 10, 2012

MommaC

Sasafrican

Honey, nobody ever said you are 'evolved from apes'. We simply have the same root. Just like a dassies and and elephants have the same roots or hippos and whales. That is why the DNA is similar but the physical appearance is not. We branched apart before we even became vaguely similar to what we are now.
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Aug 10, 2012

Tsar-Rasputin

Religion needs commitment and descipline

Hence we say " tsela ya sefapano" the path is not the easy one.
Hence we need to pray
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Aug 10, 2012

onlyme

May the trend continue!
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Aug 11, 2012

sgubhusenkwishi

Fake nations dominating the religion publicity, like Nigeria are the biggest reason for people at large not to bother by so called christianity.
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Aug 12, 2012

Traveljunie

It is good to see slowly people are getting with the times and throwing off the chins of religion.

Its old, out of date and doing more harm than any good.

Pity most religious people are also the most ignorant about science and everyday life
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Aug 12, 2012

Mzabalazo

"in dark ages people are best guided by religion, as in a pitch-black night a blind man is the best guide; he knows the roads and paths better than a man who can see. When daylight comes, however, it is foolish to use an old blind men as guides."
- Heinrich Heins, Gedanken Und Einfalle
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Aug 12, 2012

Mzabalazo

Religion is not just a lie but it is anti-reality and keep people as slaves of piffle tautology.
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Aug 12, 2012

Mzabalazo

AUG 10, 2012
onlyme
May the trend continue!
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Viva! It will continue
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Aug 12, 2012

Gaara

Good news indeed.Lets hope it continues to pick up momentum.
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Aug 12, 2012

Mzabalazo

SasaFrican

There is more harm done by prayer
1) millions were ki#illed by praying people for not believing in their make believe God
2) millions died because religion did not allow certain operational procedures
3) William Tyndale was burned at at stake by praying people for translating a bible from Latin to English
4) Galeleo was burned at stake his theory which in the 80's The Catholics apologized for ( the earth is not the centre of our solar system and that it revolves the sun)
5) Africans,Indians, native Americans, native Australians were mu#rded by praying people for not accepting Christianity for centuries
6) European pagans were burned at stake for not accepting Christianity
7) Jewish people were persecuted for centuries by the churches in Europe
8) World I & Ii pastors, priests and bishops were blessing weapons and soldiers either side to k#ill
9) Stem cell research has been delayed by churches for years, even though it could help in getting rid of conditions such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's diseases and many more inherited diseases
10) during African struggle for liberation both sides, the oppressors and the oppressed were been blessed by their clergy to defeat or defend either side.
11) billions are been robbed daily of their earnings by all the churches in the world
12) billions are kept igonarant of the truth by all religions .
13) millions are been discriminated daily by those who think they are better than others just because they believe in a dead Jewish cult leader called Jesus the son of Mary and Joseph
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Aug 12, 2012

Quickfix

Believers stand a better chance than those who choose not to believe. If you are not disciplined enough to lead a great, fulfilling life, religion should encourage you to believe that it does pay handsomely and generously to lead a good and moral life. All I know is Jehovah, Yahweh, our God is the maker, creator and keeper of the universe, whether I am Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, etc, there is only one God to worship, who I call him does not really matter. Glory, Honour and Adoration be to the living God.
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Mzabalazo

AUG 12, 2012
Quickfix
Believers stand a better chance than those who choose not to believe. If you are not disciplined enough to lead a great, fulfilling life, religion should encourage you to believe that it does pay handsomely and generously to lead a good and moral life. All I know is Jehovah, Yahweh, our God is the maker, creator and keeper of the universe, whether I am Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, etc, there is only one God to worship, who I call him does not really matter. Glory, Honour and Adoration be to the living God.
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That is a lie, believers were ra#ping boys in the Catholic school and the Pope was covering for them for more than 4 decades, does that give a believer a better chance to do what, to continue ra#ping children in instead of marrying?
Believers in Rwanda and Burundi ki# lled one another , that to you is a better chance?
In predominantly Christian countries the majority of people incarcerated for heinous crimes are Christians rather than Agnostics and atheist
Same as in Moslem countries the majority of jail birds are Moslems , so what is your argument based on?
Almost everyday we read in the newspapers what believers do, but unfortunately you are so blind to the facts and you bury your head on the sand when the truth is unveiled in front of your eyes.
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Aug 12, 2012

Mzabalazo

Quickfiix

You do not even know that the God you praise is nameless, he is not Jehovah or Yahweh,
He has no known name but 4 consonants, that is why you will never find it written in New Testament, there are 4 consonants callede Tetragrammaton
The term tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning "four letters") refers to the Hebrew theonym YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎),
The person who filled the constants with the vowels is a Spanish Monk called Martinius in the 1500s, so your God was named by a Monk in the 1500s when even the people who claimed that they owned that God as a nation did not know his name, except for the Tetragrammaton and they still call him Adonah, and yet a Spanish Monk from the Catholic monastery right in Spain happens to know that that the Hebrew God is Jehovah, that is so crazy, it only happens in the religion. All these years including Jesus's times the name was not known, what formular did Martinuis use that Paul, Peter, John, James, Mark, Barnabas, Aquila, Timothy, Philip, Philemon, Onesimus, Uraneus, Agustus and so many more professed walkers in the steps of Jesus did not even understand, how did he break the code that alluded even the Daniels and the Solomon's who are so much praised for their wisdom?
This proofs the fact that men(chauvinist males for that matter) created God as they first created Gods. The name of God is man made , God is man made, the birth day of Jesus is man made, the reassure tigon of Jesus is man made, the flying of Mohammed to heaven is man made. Everything about religion is man made, nothing is true, and the immorality of the bible and the koran is stinking, starting from the abuse of women and continue to genocide and threat of annihilation of those who do not conform down to slavery, these books stinks of cruelty and baisness, they teach about hate in a subtle way, they encourage intolerance of opposing views and they smell blood.
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Aug 12, 2012

MsEscobar

I can not speak for God,I can not tell you what only He can.All I can do is pray that He may speak to your hearts before it is too late.God bless you all.In Christ I trust.
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Aug 13, 2012

Mzabalazo

AUG 12, 2012
MsEscobar
I can not speak for God,I can not tell you what only He can.All I can do is pray that He may speak to your hearts before it is too late.God bless you all.In Christ I trust.
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Well God has never said a thing because he/she/ it is not there, it is does not exist, it has been people less wise than you who spoke for God, saying God allows slavery, God want slaves to be marked like cattle,God gave Israelis the land of Palestine, Lebanon,Syria and Iran, that God wants the Hittites, Amorites , and the Cannanites to be k#illed including women and children , except for virgins that the Israelis soldiers led by Moses can do as they please with them, that MsEscobar it is written in Deuteronomy. Your Christ also is based on a fake Abrahamic faith so he cannot be right, he called a Samaritan woman a dog, when the woman asked for some miracle from him,he said would he give the bread of children to dogs, those days the Jews we called the children of God and the Samaritans as they belonged to the alleged 10 tribes of Isreal who revolted and created a separate kingdom from the two tribes led by the favorite tribe of Juda. So discrimination did not escape your Christ, he never even criticised the owning of slaves as he saw nothing wrong with it. Read I Tim 6:3-7 Ephesians 6:5-9 and the book of Luke where Jesus sees no fault in one man making another a slave, in these verses Paul encourages slavery, in the book of Philemon he writes a letter to Philemon to accept back his runaway slave, Philemon is praised as the trustworthy Christian brother, even though his slave ran away, that means Philemon was so cruel, and just the idea that your God encouraged and supported slavery makes me sick, sick to the stomach.
The bible is full of hate ideas that are covered by false love and care, when it does preach hate speech against those who share different ideas, right now most of you will be calling for punishment for people like me, some will be saying I will burn in hell, perish and all that mumbo jumbo myths, in fact wishing it was real and was happening now. The bible teachings that encourages hate on those who hold a different idea other than that of a bearded wh#ite male in heaven who created a J#ewish little God called Jesus to be the only one who should be worshipped is in violation of our constitutional rights, people belittling and threatening other's point of view on the streets, in their houses through radios,TV ,door to door and on public space such as buses and trains is a gross violation of human rights, the rights that everyone different view point should be respected. Your Christ even lied in the bible saying that the people who were alive, watching him preaching will not see death until they witness his coming back from heaven -Matt16:28.
And the lie Jesus made created another chain of lies from the self-appointed 13th Apostle Paul. Paul thought that since he lived in the period where some of the people whom Jesus referred to that they will witness his coming, were still alive, then definitely he himself Paul will be amongst those who will not taste death and be taken to heaven alive on the second coming of your Christ- I Thessalonica 4:15-17. Your Christ if he was alive he would be ashamed of himself for teaching such a flawed philosophy, and would not escape the courts for racial discrimination of the Samaritans and calling them dogs, ask Malema, hate speech are no longer tolerated,slavery that the bible still encourage unto this day is abolished without the man made He#brew male-chauvinist God who is still responsible for the war in Palestine.. Read your bible on slaves in the New Testament -
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Mzabalazo

AUG 12, 2012
MsEscobar
I can not speak for God,I can not tell you what only He can.All I can do is pray that He may speak to your hearts before it is too late.God bless you all.In Christ I trust.
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Well God has never said a thing because he/she/ it is not there, it is does not exist, it has been people less wise than you who spoke for God, saying God allows slavery, God want slaves to be marked like cattle,God gave Israelis the land of Palestine, Lebanon,Syria and Iran, that God wants the Hittites, Amorites , and the Cannanites to be k#illed including women and children , except for virgins that the Israelis soldiers led by Moses can do as they please with them, that MsEscobar it is written in Deuteronomy. Your Christ also is based on a fake Abrahamic faith so he cannot be right, he called a Samaritan woman a dog, when the woman asked for some miracle from him,he said would he give the bread of children to dogs, those days the Jews we called the children of God and the Samaritans as they belonged to the alleged 10 tribes of Isreal who revolted and created a separate kingdom from the two tribes led by the favorite tribe of Juda. So discrimination did not escape your Christ, he never even criticised the owning of slaves as he saw nothing wrong with it. Read I Tim 6:3-7 Ephesians 6:5-9 and the book of Luke where Jesus sees no fault in one man making another a slave, in these verses Paul encourages slavery, in the book of Philemon he writes a letter to Philemon to accept back his runaway slave, Philemon is praised as the trustworthy Christian brother, even though his slave ran away, that means Philemon was so cruel, and just the idea that your God encouraged and supported slavery makes me sick, sick to the stomach.
The bible is full of hate ideas that are covered by false love and care, when it does preach hate speech against those who share different ideas, right now most of you will be calling for punishment for people like me, some will be saying I will burn in hell, perish and all that mumbo jumbo myths, in fact wishing it was real and was happening now. The bible teachings that encourages hate on those who hold a different idea other than that of a bearded wh#ite male in heaven who created a J#ewish little God called Jesus to be the only one who should be worshipped is in violation of our constitutional rights, people belittling and threatening other's point of view on the streets, in their houses through radios,TV ,door to door and on public space such as buses and trains is a gross violation of human rights, the rights that everyone different view point should be respected. Your Christ even lied in the bible saying that the people who were alive, watching him preaching will not see death until they witness his coming back from heaven -Matt16:28.
And the lie Jesus made created another chain of lies from the self-appointed 13th Apostle Paul. Paul thought that since he lived in the period where some of the people whom Jesus referred to that they will witness his coming, were still alive, then definitely he himself Paul will be amongst those who will not taste death and be taken to heaven alive on the second coming of your Christ- I Thessalonica 4:15-17. Your Christ if he was alive he would be ashamed of himself for teaching such a flawed philosophy, and would not escape the courts for racial discrimination of the Samaritans and calling them dogs, ask Malema, hate speech are no longer tolerated,slavery that the bible still encourage unto this day is abolished without the man made He#brew male-chauvinist God who is still responsible for the war in Palestine.. Read your bible on slaves in both the New & the Old Testament and see how morally bankrupt is your religion.
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Mzabalazo

AUG 10, 2012
MommaC
Sasafrican

Honey, nobody ever said you are 'evolved from apes'. We simply have the same root. Just like a dassies and and elephants have the same roots or hippos and whales. That is why the DNA is similar but the physical appearance is not. We branched apart before we even became vaguely similar to what we are now.
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Just how weak is the argument of the history bashers, they themselves not evolutionist circulated that people come from apes,mthen the evidence itself states that we come from the same ancestors.
I do not not know if this will help the stubborn creationist to understand, as one of the simplest proofs tha we share the same ancestor or root, for instance we have an appendix and yet we do not need it as it does nothing for us except been a nuisance of collecting seeds and cause us to put under the knife, we do not need it, or say we no longer need it, but the rabbits and the hares uses it for digesting cellulites, so why should a creator put something we do not need? The answer is simply that at a certain stage our ancestors once used it to digest cellulite. The ostrich and some birds such as chicken do not need wings because they do not fly, why are they having wings when they cannot use them for aviation? Simple their ancestors used to fly, if it were a God who created these birds he would given hands for them instead of useless wings.our DNA is full of junk information that we no longer need but common to the many animals including bacteria (we still have bacterium information in our DNA) off course even ape information which all the information is still relevant to these animals, why then God put in our holy and superior DNA information used by the animals, what was he doing, did he run out of materials for humans? The cow's DNA information is more related to the whale's DNA than to the horse, why? That simply proves that the cow is closely related to the whales and that is a fact. No one must refute the DNA study as mumbo jumbo because if one does that then we should dismiss its use in catching the criminals, the bible does catch the criminals so the Adam & Eve mumbo jumbo is stupid and out dated, actually the bible has created a lot of criminals, from pedophille priest, to war mangers and cheating scums,both financially and sexually.
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Aug 13, 2012

Mzabalazo

I meant to write: the bible doesn't catch criminals, not it does.
On the issue of sharing one root or having a common ancestor vs been created, one must ask him/ herself this, on the issue of blind fish,crabs and many water living creatures that are found in the depth of the ocean and the rivers in the depths of the caves where sunlight cannot be reached, why did God put on eyes on these creatures as those eyes are useless in such depth? Why. After realizing that these creatures will never see the light then make their eyes blind, useless, they are there for what, that in production is waste of materials(to some of you who will be confused, I am referring to these creatures that lives only dark part of the rivers and oceans, not creatures who were suppose to see and by the fluke of nature or injury they become blind, I am referring to the creatures that adapted to living in the sun free environment). This is just another simple prove that these creatures'ancestors once lived where there was light and migrated to the dark areas where vision is not in used so they DNA has eye information though because just like our appendix is so useless then those eyes are just pass on, but if there was a designer as religionists claims then the designer would not have designed eyes for these creatures, if it was the designer putting these creatures to these light free areas of the wet world then he would not give then eyes. Think also about the blind bat, these are just quite a few signs that there is no designer. Imagine how our breathing is connected to the passage of food and water, we risk to choke and die just by doing both ie. breathing and eating, that is a every bad design if it was designed, then the design is flawed, not wise at all. I will just stop there, but there are many faults if we think we are designed, the spinal cord, that eventually gets tired in carrying an upright body, and we tend to have very bad backaches as we grow older, ie. from the 40's upwards, the birth struggles where at times due stretching at birth developed a tear from the vi#gina right through to the an#us that is the worst (putting the v#igana next to the an#us and using a thin skin to separate the two) design and if there were quality control inspectors that design would have failed in the plan. If you are a woman who have experienced the tearing at birth( as many have) you would understand what I am talking about, the pain during that process, the embarrassment of excrements and smell as the result of (mind you, the embarrassment of excrement during child birth happens even when there is no tear),the pain of stitches . That is a bad design. Maybe that is why there were a lot of revolt in heaven by angels( lol) they were given pen#ses and yet they were not suppose to use them in heaven and they left the heavens for daughters of men as the Genesis book puts it. The designer is having problems and I think there are more problems in heaven than on earth no wonder I do not even dream to be there, believe me there are more problems there than here(lol). The philophy of creation is outdated, but it survives because it is in a way state sponsored and the dogma behind, that do not ask questions on religion just accept Jesus Christ as the saviour and king, protects it is life span, I reckon that religion will remain with us until the Sun expands and destroys all the planets in the our solar system(4 billions years away) or the moon moves away from our earth and the protection we have from it stabilising our planet will result in the earth moving further and further away maybe been attracted by bigger planets(every year the moon is moving away from the sun) which ever comes first, but it will never have the hold it has today, yes science and reality is diluting religion all over the world, in the UK it well diluted and that is good news, though we still have religious sponsored schools.
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Feb 23, 2013

janemimy

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