DJWinner

Sexwale must get used to it that he will never be the President. He is not qualified. He can go join FRIENDS OF MALEMA party.

The struggle continues for Zuma's second term in our life time.
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Pointman

Twaddle - you helped create the mess by not sticking to principles the revolution was based on. By supporting Malema who is a divisive figure, you displayed a lack of understanding of leadership and abandoned the peoples renewal after apartheid to narrow party and personal interests.
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cornelius

Again, just paying lip service. His reference to a " political grenade" exactly describes Julius Malema, yet Tokyo is the one who is championing the cause of Malema ( of course it is to gain the support of the YL).
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Sinudeity_

ABANC.
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Sane1

WHO IS HE? IS HE NOT A LEADER TOO? WHICH & WHERE ARE THESE LEADERS HE'S TALKING ABOUT? MR SEXWALE IS AN OPPORTUNISTS OF NOTE. WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!
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Sinudeity_

During Mbeki's term, 80% of ALL government tenders went to two dudes:

Cyril and Tokyo.
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CheeseBoy

Tokyo YOU ARE part of this leadership. you ARE equally to blame for what is happening to this country
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Lehido

Look who is talking - You are part of the problem
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lamolath

Good Morning

We all know that Tokyo is talking about Jacob Zuma's leadership and of which he is right..I cannot think of any promise that he made to the nation and fullfill it..all that he is doing is to embrace what other leader has done for the yet he is not doing anything for us.

Nna go bua nnete Jacob Zuma wa Ntena...Ge e le Gwede yena is worse.Second term for Jacob Zuma is going to be good for Kwazulu Natal. Nkandla and other rural areas of natal are going to benefit a lot as it will be obvious that he won't do the third term.

Mangaung e batla di Thapelo


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DJWinner

@lamolath...This is not about KZN. All provinces are given money. It's just that in other provinces, like Limpopo, the money is mismanaged. We can't blame Zuma for that.
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ThirdEye

Being a politician is nice, you talk what is convinient at that point in time. Simple because there is an agenda that need to be achieved.
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JohnStone

Thank you Tokyo for telling the truth, you being part of both party and state leaderhip and behaving like a "political grenade". Tokyo, Julius Malema, Winnie Madikizela and habitual fence-sitters Mathews Phosa & Kgalema Motlanthe are "political grenades" likely to explode prematurely, thereby killing the holder. Zuma must be careful of these "grenades" he put in his pockets, they are rigged. When we elected Tokyo et al into the NEC, we believed they would provide collective leadership, already he is confessing to have failed in that duty we entrusted him and others with. Or is it just mere political gimmicking?

Tokyo must learn to let go Cde Mandela's coat tails, we know he spent sometime at Robben Island with Madiba, so is Cdes Zuma and Motlanthe. Spending time with Mandela in prison is not an automayic guarantee for ANC presidency. Since you have failed the mandate we gave to you, when are you stepping down Tokyo?
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mhlupheki

what is he doing to assist in stopping divisions within the party. i unedrstand he is the champion and the funder of the so called friends of the youth league. now sir please stop corrupting our innocent minds
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Reyataz

That the ANC gets a comfortable majority at the polls is a reflection of the low IQ of the average SA voter. No wonder Africa is called the dark continent.
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RobinH

Tokyo: Once again a master of stating the obvious.
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A3bullet

Tokyo Sexwale is a failure, he is part of the current leadership..The reality is Tokyo will never be the President of South Africa in our life time..Second term dumela
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masende

@DJ WINNER
TELL THEM BOY,WE R HERE STAY ND THEY MUST GET USE TO THAT,VIVA SECOND TERM VIVA
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Sinudeity_

masende - Hope Jacob gets a second term. Will mean alot more votes for the opposition parties.
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Catswhiskers

And the gloves are off.
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cornelius

@ Masende - do you think Jacob Zuma is a good president and the best person in SA for that job ?
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masende

UZONYA SAN THIS IS NOT MVELAPHANDE TSEK
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CharlesTaylor

cornelius

Yes Zuma is a good president because he listens and takes informed decisions. People tend to involve his personal life and cultural life. Last time I checked, everyone have the right to practice his/her own culture.

Can you tell me what do you think is not right about Zuma without involving his personal or cultural life?
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Lucky-Angel

@DJWinner ... Yes it is about KZN. Yes all provinces are given money, e.g R3b bailout given to KZN but when Limpopo asked for a bailout of R2b all hell broke loose because Mathale was not for Zuma 2nd term. All politicians are corrupt - no doubt about it but Limpopo is so undermined. What about Eastern Cape? No service delivery there, period. Of late we hear of the non delivery of books there but the publicity is not the same as what Limpopo got. Look at all provinces and tell me which province tops them all in terms of service delivery.

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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - "Yes Zuma is a good president because he listens and takes informed decisions"

LOLWUT?

Informed decisions? Like hiring Cele and putting in Simelane?

Informed decisions like promising 5 million jobs?
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Lets not forget the disbandoning of the Scorpions. The only entity meant to persue corrupt government officials. I wonder why he made that move. Apartheid or white or something was used as an excuse. And the cadres clapped hands in parliament when the decision was announced.
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STOPA

sexwale chief you are wasting your money, stop buying people to disrupt ANC events.
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CharlesTaylor

Your hatred of the man blunt your thinking.

Cele hade been perfoming well in KZN and majority of South Africans endorsed his hiring. His peromance as police commissioner was the best ever compared to the formers until buildings saga. It was a sound decision to hire him because he did not have any previous bad record.

About 5 million jobs, you must understand a business term "forecast" it really doesn't mean something will exactly happen. This was the forecast of couple of years not a year. The forecast of the year was 500 000 jobs which was met. South Africa created huge number of jobs, the big problem was the job lost, not the job created.


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CharlesTaylor - Forecasting? Dont try and sugarcoat now. Jacob promised 5 million jobs. We ended up losing 1 million jobs. So far the year, we have lost 1 million jobs, and created 500,000 new ones. Therefore we are at a deficit of 500,000 jobs.

About Cele, and in the end, it turned out he was corrupt. He wouldnt have been fired if it wasnt for so much public pressure. Meanwhile the Simelane appointed cadre, is sitting at home after the CON COURT invalified his appointment. Now we are waiting for JZ to 'apply his mind'.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

You must not rely too much on news from media and newspapers, try and get other sources of information, i.e. politicians, academics, etc. I was a journo myself so I understand what happens in the newsroom.

Scorpion was disbanded for various reasons, one of them is the one you now think was the reason to create the Hawks. Previous leadership used Scorpion as their lapdogs, they attended the matters decided by the previous leadership, including the ones you know (from media) and the ones you don't know.

It is a famous fact that, it was impossible for the new leadership of government was going to be able to work with the arm of the previous leadership. It is a possible fact that should Zuma and co loose the leadership, Hawks themselves may be disbanded and a new intelligence unit be formed.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Your love of the man blunts your thinking.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

Now you agree that Zuma did promise 500 000 jobs and delivered them, the problem was the jobs lost due to global recession. Unfortunately, that is something no one can predict, in the whole world.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - You must not rely on ANCYL and ANC lekogtla's for your information :P


"Scorpion was disbanded for various reasons"

Sure boet, sure.


"Previous leadership used Scorpion as their lapdogs"



"It is a famous fact that"

LOL, I always know bullsh1t is coming when a dude starts his sentence with 'its a fact that...'

And now the Hawks are the current leaderships lapdogs.



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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - "Now you agree that Zuma did promise 500 000 jobs and delivered them"

Like I said, WE LOST 500,000 jobs.


"he problem was the jobs lost due to global recession"

Yeah, but only a FOOL would promise jobs on the cusp of a global recession.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - The global recession started 2th of Feb 2009, Jacob promised 500,000 jobs on the 3rd of June 2009.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

You make me smile in front of my PC.

You must know that every president, every king, every ruler will have his/her own intelligence forces for a well known and acceptable reasons. If you were a president tomorrow, you will also design/be advised to design one.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Hawks/Scorpions isnt "intelligence". Thats the NIA. And even in that case, Zuma has his personal deployed cadre heading off the agency.

Scorpions mandate was to investigate corrupt cadres. After of course Zuma, and a couple of his buddies were nailed for the Armsdeal. Thats when Zuma started playing his 'apartheid card' and whatnot.

The Hawks unfortunately, are not independant. They have not been going after corrupt cadres.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity
CharlesTaylor - The global recession started 2th of Feb 2009, Jacob promised 500,000 jobs on the 3rd of June 2009.
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You miss my point, we talk about job creation in the financal year of 2010/11 where Zuma promised 500 000 jobs and during the same financial year SA lost about 1 million jobs. What I am saying is no one could predict job lost with or without recession, it is like predicting dying time. Zuma promised jobs which he definitely brought.
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CharlesTaylor - "What I am saying is no one could predict job lost with or without recession"

No one could predict? But Zuma did :P


"Zuma promised jobs which he definitely brought."

Losing a million jobs, but gaining 500,000 isnt job creation dude.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

Midia really corrupted your mind.

I am calling these agencies "intelligence units" because that is their duty that people who watch to much news on PCs and TV like you not know about. If Scorpions investigated Zuma on arms deal which happened when he was an MEC in KZN and didn't investigate Mbeki who was deputy president, then you tell me if Scorpions were pure.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - On top of that, the previous financial year, we lost a million jobs. Including jobs created.
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WESOTAN

What this crook is all about keep on trying uncle Tokyo
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

Developed countries globally lost even more jobs than South Africa in the couple past years. America's unemployment statistics grew and most European countries and in crisis in different levels. We can not then solely Zuma for that situation. We have people like Manuel, Gordan, Ramaphosa, and many other business and economically oriented people in high positions. Economic decisions are not solely taken by Zuma.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

By your silence I assume you agree today that Zuma deserves our support for 2nd term.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Sorry, had to chat to one of the NFG's.

Like I said, Im not blaming Zuma for the global recession.
Just blaming him for making stupid promises that are impossible to deliver on, and in such contradicting your opening statement.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Yeah, Zuma MUST run for a second term. I agree with you there.

It will GUARANTEE lots of new votes for the DA. And with JZ running his 2nd term, Gauteng will switch over to the DA.

So Jacob has my blessings to run again.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@DJWinner
Sexwale must get used to it that he will never be the President. He is not qualified. He can go join FRIENDS OF MALEMA party.

The struggle continues for Zuma's second term in our life time.
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You are probably right that Tokyo will never become president, but there isno reason to be mean to the comrade. I disagree with you that he is not qualified. I mean after Jacob Zuma became president of the ANC with Standard 1, the bar of expectations is so low that even Donald Duck or Vicky Mundein can meet it. As for Julius Malema, he belongs to the ANC and there is no reason for him to start a new party. It is Zuma factionalists who are trying to split and divide the ANC in order to ensure hegemony for their faction. There is no need for a Malema party. Come back home, son!

As for a Zuma second term, only those who are carzy would want a second term for Zuma to dig the ANC further into a hole and and run this country into the ground. It should not be that the curse of Zuma leadership is still going to haunt the ANC after Mangaung. We have had enough. The ANC cannot continue with integrity, to always bend the rules to accomodate a leadership that is so ill-suited for the task to tackle this nation's challenges. Otherwise future generations are going to condemn us for squandering such a golden opportunity to jettison the worst of the ANC leadership in its history. I know some comrades from KZN and elsewhere still waiting to drink from the trough but it is time up now.
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KEKGATHETSE

i suspect DA hopes JZ gets a second term in mangaung. anc is at its weakest with jz running.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

Zuma promised 500 000 jobs and they were delivered. Loosing 1 million jobs is another story. Therefore the promise was met.

If you promise your child two pairs of shoes and bring them to him, and eventually your son loose three pairs of shoes, that doesn't mean you failed your promise. Jobs lost could never be protected because most of them were from private sector. If someone choose to close his company and fire 10 of his employees, Zuma can do nothing about that.
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DJWinner

The struggle continues for Zuma's second term in our life time.
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A lot of us do, come 2014 anc will lose more votes, will work right into the plan.

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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - "Zuma promised 500 000 jobs and they were delivered. Loosing 1 million jobs is another story. Therefore the promise was met."

Err... No. A net loss of 500,000 jobs isnt considered a good thing dude.

Thats like a salesman saying, he's going to earn a company R500,000, but in the end, it cost his a million rand to make that.
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CharlesTaylor

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Since none of your utterance are true, I shall resolve that none of them are worth reading.

1. Malema is no longer ANC and doesn't belong to ANC (fact)
2. Zuma does not have Standard 1 (fact)
3. There is no curse in Zuma's leadership, it is only because Malema was rightfully disciplined (fact)

The list is endless, Zuma didn't vote for himself, we the majority branches vote for him and we will decide if we retain him for second term. You must also come back home, bro it cold out there.
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hiddengold

Morning All
@ThirdEye
Being a politician is nice, you talk what is convenient at that point in time. Simple because there is an agenda that need to be achieved.
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100% agree
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity

Now we are getting along.
Job creation was not a success (fact)
Zuma's promise was fulfilled (fact)

No person or country can stop job losses, the only thing we can do is to create more jobs, but something realistic, that what Zuma did.
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hiddengold

Aaargh thula Tokyo please stop running your mouth and join Public Protector Thuli Madonsela as she travels the country trying to address the mess caused by your department building below par houses as an NEC member nawe you are part of the problem you and your buddy malema
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - I do get your point. But we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
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CharlesTaylor

Sinudeity
Ok, what I say is simple, Zuma made a promise and kept it, the problem was that the unpredictable disaster of job looses was too much. Anyway thanks for a chart.
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Sinudeity_

CharlesTaylor - Yeah, good argument from your side dude. Thanks for the debate.
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Nyongoyamavenda

@Sinudeity
Ok i know u realy dnt like Zuma,but just check how many jobs did Mandela promised in 1994? Thousands of dem, how many did he deliver u make your own gues,he then defended himself by sayimg if you propose a woman.........! No meant to disrepect utata he did and his legacy my point planing and forecasting on something base on certain calculation and criteroin cant b always easy
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Djembe

Lets get serious Tokyo, you and your white colleagues have enriched yourselves and now with your billions you want to talk unitywhile creating more split. Why are these so called comrades abusing Madibas name? Tokyo pls enjoy your riches and abstain from politics. If Tata was still fit to talk for himself he would have disciplined all of you lousy opportunist in a proper way. Why can't people like Madikizela, Tokyo and their son Juju practice what they preach "unity" ha haha you are all a bunch of liars the sad thing is you are killing the party maybe someone is paying you. If ANC dies wo unto poor black people. Tokyo and his gangstars will be enjoying golf in Houghton. Vuka Mzantsi vuka. True ANC members are very passionate about the party they don't walk around critising it instead they confront the perpetraitors directly.Who is fooling who?
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Nyongoyamavenda - Fair enough. Yourself and Charles win that argument.


And you are right, I dont like Zuma. But for more reason than just job promises.
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HonyCBustardYaPresident

@DJ Winner
Jy het 'n groot bek.U r probarbly a polygamist like ur double headed favourite president.This Old man shud simply go on pension & leave educated SAfricans under the age of 65 take over leadership of this country.With Zuma post mangaung still a leader & magarine like mentalities like DJ winners' which melts under fire mzanzi is heading for disaster.
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Nyongoyamavenda

Tokyo the more open your mouth the more we dont know you, but its becoming clear what your intention are we are scared of you
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Sinudeity, as far as I can remmeber Zuma promised one million jobs and more than a million people lost their jobs.

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SOLUTIONS

Sin and Charles, a very good article - http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/opinion/better-or-worse-off-1.1293045#.UBEYorRo3W4
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Zion

a second term for zuma, that is exactly what the opposition wants and a lot of those parties that spring up during election time
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Nyongoyamavenda

If Zuma gets scnd term i think he will do well cos i think going to Polokwane he attrected a lot people who were just there for themselves peopl like Tokyo, malema, mathale,mothlante etc, we have learnt our lesson, rememba these were in political wilderness in the Mbeki era for these things they are doing now, ee use to blame Mbeki
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DJWinner

People calm down and stop being emotionally here. Zuma will achieve the second term in our lifetime and people must get used to that.

Well, ANC recieved the highest number of votes in 2009 after 1994 and who was President? Zuma. So, people must stop talking nonsense here. ANC will not loose any votes, people will continue to vote for ANC.
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DJWinner

DJWinner
People must calm down and stop being emotionally here. Zuma will achieve the second term in our lifetime and people must get used to that.

Well, ANC recieved the highest number of votes in 2009 after 1994 and who was President? Zuma. So, people must stop talking nonsense here. ANC will not loose any votes, people will continue to vote for ANC.

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Patsekg

Well, it is obvious that Mr Sexwale is refering to the leadership of JZ, who in my opinion, of which i have a democratic right to hold, is not divisive at all. What i have observed since Mr Zuma took over the ANC is that, he has been working hard to unite the ANC and make sure that everyone abide by the rules of the organisation, its traditions and principles. However, certain comrades in the organisation who were suppose to be lending him their support to make sure that he succeeds in building a united ANC have decided to oppose him at every given chance. Whenever he tries to call Malema to order, others will say no, he is just a child who needs to be guided. Whenever Malema make racist statements against white people, the same Mr Sexwale who is preaching to everyone about Madiba will defend him, forgetting that the same Madiba he is preaching about, was never a racist. The question which Mr Sexwale should answer is, how do you preach about Madiba's good deeds, while at the same time, defending those who are trying to render his efforts worthless by dividing the nation? I agree 200% with DJWinner who say we can't blame Zuma for everything. Each Province is given a budget, how that budget is utilised is not Zuma's responsibility. When Zuma go out to convince businesses to build a town in Nkandla, he never said people can't do the same for the communities where they come from. Surely it can't be a sin for him to go all out and convince businesses to come and invest in Nkandla. If those business people did their own survay and found that indeed there's a buseness opportunity in that area, you can't blame Zuma for having convinced them to invest there, atleast he is not using state monies to develop that area, he only convinced businesses to invest there and they did. trying to tell everyone that he only concentrates on Nkandla where he comes from is not fair, because provinces are allocated budgets year in and year out but they mismanage it, and when the ANCYL realise it is their own friends who mismanaged the money, they want to deflect attention from their friends by calling for Zuma's head. Like in Limpopo where it is clear that the leadership of that province has failed dismally but they will never call for the premiere to account as he is in their camp. The only time when they will call for him to account is if he can swarp camps, for now he is safe.
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DJWinner - "Well, ANC recieved the highest number of votes in 2009 after 1994 and who was President?"

No they didnt. ANC received the highest number of votes during Mbeki's term. The ANC has showed its lowest number of votes under Jacob. The ANC lost 4% of the votes in the last national elections.
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DJWinner - And in the last municipal elections, the ANC lost a further 6% of votes.
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DJWinner
Well, ANC recieved the highest number of votes in 2009 after 1994 and who was President? Zuma. So, people must stop talking nonsense here. ANC will not loose any votes, people will continue to vote for ANC.
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Are you thinking again and not looking at facts? WHOAAW
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JB$

Tokyo will never be president the sooner he gets into his thick skull the better

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Phogolekp21

Leave tokyo alone He is only challenger of Showerhead as you can see Showerhead is getting thin this nowadays
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Falar

Nna ke ya mo favour Sexwale o handsome, but i think he is just too corrupt to b President. Zuma le yena ke womaniser, id rather go for Motlhante.
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Winilen

3 points i to make:
#Tokyo will never be president of SA... he is failing as minister of Human Settlement, so he must must point to himself too
#Mathlate will not win in mangaung he does not have enough support... just bcos he supported by stupid Malema & stupid freinds does not give power... at the moment we dont have any1 strong enough to challenge our shower president
#lastly ANC will still be in power till end of time... those who want it to get out power i would like to ask them which political party will remove ANC in power? DA will never be in power as long as inquality & racism exist and will all know that will never end in our life time.
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Tango

The ANC can lose more votes or even a province with Tokyo or Kgalema in charge than with Zuma.
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CharlesTaylor
Sinudeity

Zuma promised 500 000 jobs and they were delivered. Loosing 1 million jobs is another story. Therefore the promise was met.

If you promise your child two pairs of shoes and bring them to him, and eventually your son loose three pairs of shoes, that doesn't mean you failed your promise. Jobs lost could never be protected because most of them were from private sector. If someone choose to close his company and fire 10 of his employees, Zuma can do nothing about that.
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Actually charlestaylor Zuma cud do something about that. he cud put measures into place through de DTI to ensure dat companies do not close (strategic plan for job creation which takes into account all posible factors that can ensure dat he keeps his promise of 500000 jobs without losing any). If he had done his reasearch he wud have known dat it was not wise to make dat promise at dat tym (global financial crisis.

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CharlesTaylor

Falar

First we must establish if you understand the reasons of job losses all over the world? If in fact you understand the impact of global recession and the dependence of developing countries to developed countries.

You have to know that, Zuma's promise of jobs were from plans and strategies around government and parastatals not private sector, president have no control over private sector, that why they always request private sector to work together with public sector. Then, of course government have no control over job loss in private sector.
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CharlesTaylor

Falar

And moreover, government cannot estimate or forecast job losses in private sector since there are many factors contributing to it. Investments, immigrations, currency fluctuation, competition and even economic policies and legislation influences the rate of job creation and job losses in private sector, unlike in public sector where Zuma can estimate that Govt will hire 1000 people this week.
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Falar

CharlesTaylor
Falar

First we must establish if you understand the reasons of job losses all over the world? If in fact you understand the impact of global recession and the dependence of developing countries to developed countries.

You have to know that, Zuma's promise of jobs were from plans and strategies around government and parastatals not private sector, president have no control over private sector, that why they always request private sector to work together with public sector. Then, of course government have no control over job loss in private sector.
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Ok then y shud Zuma make a promise of something he has no control over? My point is that he shud not have made the promise in the first place.
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CharlesTaylor

Falar

I personally believe that our policies regarding global trading have negatively influenced our labour market.
For instance if we accommodate hundreds of thousands of Chinesse, Indians, Pakistanis shops and factories in SA while no South African run a shop in these countries, we can then accept that our relationship with these countries benefits them far more than us.
Asian countries' economies have rocketed to the sky thanks to the African countries and their incompetent economists.
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Ihobelimdaka

the minute you ingratiate yourself with individuals through factionalism and fail to remain objective you quickly deteriorate to intellectual redundance and thus lose whatever respect some of us had for you
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CharlesTaylor

Falar

Now we're going in circles. Zuma promised 500 000 jobs in the financial year 2010/11 and those jobs were created. The problem was job lost, primarily because of recession, which he did not have power to avoid because it was in private sector. Government have no control over private companies and businesses. I hope it clear now.
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Falar

CharlesTaylor i hear u. so now do u agree dat it was dump for Zuma to promise 500000 jobs.


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somaartakeit

I wish the anc leaders were as enthusiastic in deliverance of services that are actually essential to the sustainability of the country and the ppl, in the same way they are when delivering a 'Mandela lecture' all of them are clumsily falling over their feet stating the obvious in these so called Mandela lectures, when you will lecture the nation about personal responsibility and respect for rule of law and SERVING the country with pride instead of being self serving, lawless anc officials who are unaccountable?

We know by now ALL there is to know about Mandela please ppl move on, or do you having nothing further to add to the national discourse?
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Falar

somaartakeit
I wish the anc leaders were as enthusiastic in deliverance of services that are actually essential to the sustainability of the country and the ppl, in the same way they are when delivering a 'Mandela lecture' all of them are clumsily falling over their feet stating the obvious in these so called Mandela lectures, when you will lecture the nation about personal responsibility and respect for rule of law and SERVING the country with pride instead of being self serving, lawless anc officials who are unaccountable?

We know by now ALL there is to know about Mandela please ppl move on, or do you having nothing further to add to the national discourse?
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I agree with u somaartakeit
we have heard enough abt mandela & apartheid.
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somaartakeit

@Charles Taylor when zuma promised half a million jobs recession was already being predicted, instead he lied to SAns as he always does, and told them they were being cushioned from recession, but those who have the brains to read and analyse economic issues in the world knew already then that jacob was lying, btu I think jacob is good for the anc sheople who like to live on the 'wing and a prayer' in other words ppl who are too lazy to think, observe, analyse statements and promises made to them by their leaders and how these will be materialised, cause thanks to these empty promises that the anc voting sheepe will forever be peasants then and their children, as a direct result of their inability to think critically, and measure deliverabilities, now all you sheep go march as if that will change your lives, when you time and time again miss the boat where your voice can be effective at the ballots,
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CharlesTaylor

Falar
CharlesTaylor i hear u. so now do u agree dat it was dump for Zuma to promise 500000 jobs.
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NO!!! Zuma did create 500 000 he promised. The problem is PRIVATE SECTOR LOST JOBS and Zuma could not stop it!.
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SENDELENZULE

ZUMA'S SECOND TERM SE GAT, I WILL COMMIT SUICEDE IF THIS BASTURD IS RE-ELECTED FOR SECOND TERM, HE MUST GO TO NKANDLA AND DANCE HIS FUNNY DANCES THERE "DON'T VOTE THE SPEAR FOR THE SECOND TERM DON'T VOTE."
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CharlesTaylor

Falar
somaartake

It begins with you guys. Mandela once said "It rest with you to make a difference".

If you and your friends can take responsibility and start now questioning irregularities in your municipality today, next year your municipality may receive unqualified audit report.
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Phogolekp21

We dont want Zuma to be elected in Mangaung one term is enough,give other people a chance
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CharlesTaylor

SENDELENZULE
Better run to Swaziland my broe because ZUMA IS ALREADY PREPARING FOR SECOND TERM AND NO ONE WILL TRY AND CHALLENGE HIM.
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somaartakeit

@Tango
The ANC can lose more votes or even a province with Tokyo or Kgalema in charge than with Zuma.
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Keep zuma a the helm and sit back and watching anc falling at the seams, how many votes he handed to COPE DA and others in the past elections? for my part I want him to be given second term so that we can finally be over and done with the anc. By the look of things, there is NOTHING anyone in the anc leadership can do about the vote hemorrhaging in the anc, cause the bloody lot of them are tainted and who ever wins, the ones wanting to have control of the public purse will be workign round the clock to bring that person down, they even k!ll each other to be at the control, solution give zuma second term so he can speedily bring out anc's destruction. If you don't believe me, look at what's happening in KwaZuma Natal political deaths/assassination, hell I say let them cleanse each other out,
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somaartakeit
how many votes he handed to COPE DA and others in the past elections
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How many members/votes did Mandela, Sisulu and other presidents gave to parties like IFP, UDM, PAC etc? ANC is strong and will remain strong.
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If you and your friends can take responsibility and start now questioning irregularities in your municipality today, next year your municipality may receive unqualified audit report.
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Something I have noticed in the past few months with people sitting in positions of leisure, when they are starting to be questioned other people end up with bullets in their heads. Look at the many instances in KZN,

Even Breytenbach is receiving death threats, GET THE anc OUT>
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@Charles post 1994 anc almost got 100% black votes were it not for Inkatha (ask Blade) lol in the past 12yrs or so its been a down hill but not at the rate it has been since birth of COPE, if anything Shilowa and the other guy should thank zuma and malema that they were able to start their own party with decent percentage of electorate, now if zuma gets second term, the anc will be our past and I look forward to that, you can already see that htey are scrapping at the barrels they have nothing to catch the fish, all they can talk about is Mandela this Mandela that, has there been nothing of substance that happened since Mandela era?

ooh and now with Winnie-Zuma at loogerheads there will be no Mandela name for zuma to use for his second term, he better report to the public on what his administration has achieved, I mean deliverables cause the Mandela jingoism won't cut it this time...
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Anyway Sowetan why have you not reported on the passing of Ghana's President Mills? instead you are boring us about stupid mashochists sex orgies in the USA? yhazi at times you really outdo yourselves at being mediocres, you are an African media you should be the first to report on African issues, I shouldn't have to hear about death of African prsident for the first time from a Western press,
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CharlesTaylor i hear u. so now do u agree dat it was dump for Zuma to promise 500000 jobs.
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NO!!! Zuma did create 500 000 he promised. The problem is PRIVATE SECTOR LOST JOBS and Zuma could not stop it!.
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but u r not answering my question. let me make it simple for u:
1. Zuma created 500 000 jobs - YES
2. Zuma cud not stop the PRIVATE SECTOR LOST JOBS - YES
3. Was it an intelligent decision for Zuma to promise de 500000 jobs in during a global financial crisis -NO

charlestaylor u r going round & round in circles with ure arguement. but its fine i have tym.
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@Charles Taylor when zuma promised half a million jobs recession was already being predicted, instead he lied to SAns as he always does, and told them they were being cushioned from recession, but those who have the brains to read and analyse economic issues in the world knew already then that jacob was lying, btu I think jacob is good for the anc sheople who like to live on the 'wing and a prayer' in other words ppl who are too lazy to think, observe, analyse statements and promises made to them by their leaders and how these will be materialised, cause thanks to these empty promises that the anc voting sheepe will forever be peasants then and their children, as a direct result of their inability to think critically, and measure deliverabilities, now all you sheep go march as if that will change your lives, when you time and time again miss the boat where your voice can be effective at the ballots,
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uve got some good arguements, but ure problem is dat u mess them up with being personal n sarcastic. if u disagree with anc policies u dont have to swear, just make ure point. maybe u will be heard
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kiii

honestly, commenting on this blog is very retrogressive, there are a bunch of sad apartheid beneficiaries and Julius malema haters in the blog that have made it absolutely impossible to learn or interact positively here. paranoia, sadness, hatred, racism, satanism, sexism etc is the order of the day here rather than the opposite. I taught the essence of such blog is to engage but no, what ever that is said is immediately misconstrued to mean malema supporter. the most annoying aspect is that those that are in the fore front of calling malema and his supporters all sorts of names are those that benefited immensely from the most evil regime of all times, yet they have no shame. Well done Mr Tokyo, your advise in a normal society calls for sober reflection but in an apartheid society like ours,it must be misconstrued to contentiously divert attention from the main issues affecting the majority of our people.

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kiii

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What i have observed since Mr Zuma took over the ANC is that, he has been working hard to unite the ANC and make sure that everyone abide by the rules of the organisation, its traditions and principles. However, certain comrades in the organisation who were suppose to be lending him their support to make sure that he succeeds in building a united ANC have decided to oppose him at every given chance. Whenever he tries to call Malema to order, others will say no, he is just a child who needs to be guided. Whenever Malema make racist statements against white people, the same Mr Sexwale who is preaching to everyone about Madiba will defend him, forgetting that the same Madiba he is preaching about, was never a racist. The question which Mr Sexwale should answer is, how do you preach about Madiba's good deeds, while at the same time, defending those who are trying to render his efforts worthless by dividing the nation? I agree 200% with DJWinner who say we can't blame Zuma for everything. Each Province is given a budget, how that budget is utilised is not Zuma's responsibility. When Zuma go out to convince businesses to build a town in Nkandla, he never said people can't do the same for the communities where they come from. Surely it can't be a sin for him to go all out and convince businesses to come and invest in Nkandla. If those business people did their own survay and found that indeed there's a buseness opportunity in that area, you can't blame Zuma for having convinced them to invest there, atleast he is not using state monies to develop that area, he only convinced businesses to invest there and they did. trying to tell everyone that he only concentrates on Nkandla where he comes from is not fair, because provinces are allocated budgets year in and year out but they mismanage it, and when the ANCYL realise it is their own friends who mismanaged the money, they want to deflect attention from their friends by calling for Zuma's head. Like in Limpopo where it is clear that the leadership of that province has failed dismally but they will never call for the premiere to account as he is in their camp. The only time when they will call for him to account is if he can swarp camps, for now he is safe.
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If you really did post this in defense of Zuma, I suggest bloggers get tested before they are allowed access to post. We need to learn and not to deceive by making very ignorant comments. you have demonstrated that you are in short supply of logic, facts,objectivity, knowledge and everything required of a social commentator. You do not even know the job and responsibilities of a president of a nation please.



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Nyongoyamavenda

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Your proble is that you are saying so many things but nothing,dont berate others point of argument state yours so we can engage you,caling others ignorant show your arogancy and lack of sense of in advincing what you belive, dont what to say rememaba dis is democracy every view should be respected,dnt come here wth tendencies,cos you wil jump
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