tpaz

Spare the Rod , spoil the child.
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Real-Mogwanthi

Mantashe you can punish your kids and apply those rules in your house but dont expect other parents to follow u.....u should concentrate on loosing weight than to punish ur kids. #as****e#
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MommaC

Eina. That picture brings back a few stinging memories.

To be honest, it depends on the child. I just got suborn when smacked. My sister became compliant.

The problem is not corporal punishment, it is the fact that the schools have ZERO tools to use for discipline. Teachers can't use detention, extra homework, staying in during break, manual labour or any other punishment. Even speaking to the parents gets them nowhere.
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Stixoxo

Mantashe is making sense now, if you dont become Deputy President after Mangaung someone should make you a minister of educ to enforce caning!!!
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Akhonto

spoilt brats we have today u try to discipline a child nd next thing u see police coming to arrest u for some sort of abuse !!!!
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golezwa

He also believes it is wrong to use a belt, a stick or a sjambok to discipline children
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so what should be used ge????????
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LBS

Disipline is sorely lacking in the majority of schools and something needs to be done urgently!

I however have a problem with who disciplines the child and how it is done.
We have seen numerous cases over the years (under apartheid too) where an ILL-disciplined adults, both male and female, takes his/her temper out on the child inflicting unnessary injury which defeats the whole object, and creates resentment rather than accountability in the child.

Personally I think physical disipline is degrading and humiliating for all concerned - there has to be another way getting through to the children than there are cionsequences for actions.
The ideal is to lay down rules both at home and at school and apply them consistantly!

Children need boundaries (to push) but also appreciate the security they bring. Believe it or not.
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Shredder

SOUTH Africa shot itself in the foot by banning corporal punishment in schools, says ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe.

"I am not going to borrow from a foreign culture to bring up my own kids. As long as we are not allowing a balanced way of bringing up our kid(s) - then we are in trouble."
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@tpaz - you are right, spoil the rod spoil the child.

We(myself and others) have been saying that for a long time. We are not saying beat the kids to death or injure them, What upsets me most is that Mr Mantashe says he has been disciplining his younger children with a switch, but WE are threatened with fines and jail if we do like he does.

Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
Proverbs 29:15 The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother.
Proverbs 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die.

I bet most of you have got a hiding at school but here you are, you are grown ups. I do admit that other teachers have been doing it too extreme like using fists and claps and dangerous instruments and that is WRONG.
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Phunyukabemphethe

Children need discipline but not hitting , i have heard terrible stories of children becoming spoiled , drug using , atheist if they are not spanked
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Mgaraji

MommaC you are indeed correct
If spanking is used within a nurturing, loving home, it can have very positive results.

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him (Proverbs 13:24).
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him (Proverbs 22:15).
Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die (Proverbs 23:13).
The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother (Proverbs 29:15).



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Shredder

@golezwa
He also believes it is wrong to use a belt, a stick or a sjambok to discipline children
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so what should be used ge????????
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A switch, hehehehe. That is something more than a belt. I prefer a belt and a stick not a switch. If I remember a certain teacher used to sjambok us with something that looked like... it was a fan belt actually. She called it a switch. If indeed a switch is a fan belt, sorry, I won't use that on my kid; a belt will do just fine. I don't know why she called that thing a switch in the first place.
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MommaC

:) a "switch" is an American term for a small supple tree branch
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RobinH

I tend to agree with this, PROVIDED teachers can curb their brutality. One reads of really brutal treatment by some. But, Sir, this statement is patently absurd: "I am not going to borrow from a foreign culture to bring up my own kids." Where does that come from and what are you driving at. What is this ridiculous tendency to blame all aberrations on "foreign influence"? You sound like your North Korean buddies.
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Shredder

@MommaC - :) a "switch" is an American term for a small supple tree branch
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One never gets too old to learn. Now I know what a switch is, hahahaha. Thnx
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Shredder

@RobinH - LOL. Watch your mouth, Mr Mantashe will use a switch on you.
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golezwa

@Shredder
golezwa
He also believes it is wrong to use a belt, a stick or a sjambok to discipline children
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so what should be used ge????????
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A switch, hehehehe. That is something more than a belt. I prefer a belt and a stick not a switch. If I remember a certain teacher used to sjambok us with something that looked like... it was a fan belt actually. She called it a switch. If indeed a switch is a fan belt, sorry, I won't use that on my kid; a belt will do just fine. I don't know why she called that thing a switch in the first place.
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lol, sjambok is a no no, but a belt can be used
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Dnice

this is just one of the policies we took from other cultures and we do not actually understand how they work, another is giving children over 12 years a right to terminate pragnency, yet ligally a person can only have concetual sex when you are 18 and above.
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Real-Mogwanthi

You guys are so evil,you were punished buy your teachers and now you want other kids to fill it.
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MommaC

Dnice

You may want to double check your facts there
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@Dnice
this is just one of the policies we took from other cultures and we do not actually understand how they work, another is giving children over 12 years a right to terminate pragnency, yet ligally a person can only have concetual sex when you are 18 and above.
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True. I think if Mr Mantashe is serious about what he says, he must also look at this pregnancy thing. If we can scarp out these satanic laws and restore things to normal again, we can build a good future for our children.
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LBS

Dnice - which 'other cultures' gives/gave 12 year olds the right to terminate pregnancies??

To the best of my knowledge it was you beloved ANC along with all the other convoluted liberal thinking that just doesn't work!
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Maratachelete

Well,don't you think it's a bot too late now,Gwede.Why the hell has it taken you this long to realise that,when already our education system is in shambles.
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Naked

THere is a difference between disciplining and brutality. A teacher would come to calss with personal stresss and take it out on kids - that becomes abuse.

The concept is good,but some teachers might actually abuse it.

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malemaforpresident

Going to school drinking savanah,hunters dry smoking dagga having sex in the classroom now expecting a 100% pass rate ke sono ka tichere
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Chichi7

If a parents discipline a child at home, then i see no need for a child to be disciplined at school as well as that means the child is well mannered.
Parents are passing the buck to the teachers and turn around and cry foul.
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Naked

@DNICE - EXCATLY, the so called "children's rights" have done nothing but to destroy our innocent kids. we must do away with those stupid rights.

I hope its not a little too late Mantashe, our kids have become stubborn, re introduction of canning would just be a waste of time and energy...they have become adults while they are still kids,it is sad
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2nevvy4u

cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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RobinH

Shredder. It's fine. He's switched off at the mains most of the time.
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Ubufebe

The kids nowadays are so f.ucked up they should be caned at every opportunity.

@2nevvy4u
Your kids must be the same little f.ucks I am talking about.
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TDK

It's too late for that.
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Decibels

DOWN with Gwede Minaj DOWN.
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Real-Mogwanthi

@2nevvy4u
cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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My brother i support you on that one and me i'll bring my "Pitbull' to finish the job!
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Shredder

@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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Then let them stay at home.
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Ubufebe

@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.

Problem is, how do you carry ten cups of water, and why not 9 cups of water hahahahahaha
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2nevvy4u

Ubufebe
The kids nowadays are so f.ucked up they should be caned at every opportunity.

@2nevvy4u
Your kids must be the same little f.ucks I am talking about.
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dont make your problem mine and am not gonna entertain you, looking by your usernamer i can tell that you are a small boy,
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Lehido

Are minister of education now Mantashe?
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MommaC

2nevvy4u
cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water

LOL
So it isn't the brute force and ignorance aspect you are against then?
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2nevvy4u

Shredder
@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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Then let them stay at home.
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fokof wena stay home watch your mother a gosha?
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Shredder

@TDK
It's too late for that.
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No it's not. It might be difficult to get used to in the first few years.
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Real-Mogwanthi

@2nevvy4u

fokof wena stay home watch your mother a gosha?
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I wonder if you have kids!
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2nevvy4u

Mommac-the way we were abused back then,i dont want my child to go through that.And anyway im with you on that one.
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Ubufebe

@2nevvy4u

See who is being a child now, looks like you need a good caning. Gwede gonna come whipp you with his.....
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Naked

PARENTS should also do their part and not leave everything to the teachers
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Shredder

@2nevvy4u
Shredder
@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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Then let them stay at home.
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fokof wena stay home watch your mother a gosha?
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Wena o nagana ke blog ya gago e segama.
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MommaC

2nevvy4u

Children become what they live. Your predisposition to resort to violence at the slightest excuse is unlikely to be doing them many favours.
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2nevvy4u

Shredder
@2nevvy4u
Shredder
@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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Then let them stay at home.
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fokof wena stay home watch your mother a gosha?
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Wena o nagana ke blog ya gago e segama.
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keng se entseng o nagane gore ke xmas nna le wena re tlo exchanger di comments?bona ke re sheba o ntse o lebelletse.
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Shredder

@2nevvy4u
Shredder
@2nevvy4u
Shredder
@2nevvy4u - cane my child and i will come after you with a hammer and 10 cups of hot water.
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Then let them stay at home.
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fokof wena stay home watch your mother a gosha?
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Wena o nagana ke blog ya gago e segama.
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keng se entseng o nagane gore ke xmas nna le wena re tlo exchanger di comments?bona ke re sheba o ntse o lebelletse.
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Ke tlhapanyana tse tsa gago. If you think that you will bully and insult everyone who has a different point of view and think that they will keep up with your sh!t o naganne wrong sthepa.
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2nevvy4u

@Shredder-o na le kwaal kikikikikikikiki sganai se se na le gepu,bona a ke go kgatalle and a ke so o nake niks go ya ka nna ha o yo boy,o haba munu.
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Shredder

@2nevvy4u - @Shredder-o na le kwaal kikikikikikikiki sganai se se na le gepu,bona a ke go kgatalle and a ke so o nake niks go ya ka nna ha o yo boy,o haba munu.
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Suits me just fine
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Jagujagu

At least some people are making sense here today. I discipline my two boys aged 6 and 8 years, when they go wrong and we are best of friends they have come to appreciate what it means to be well behaved and discipline. At the end of term the two boys get letters of commendation for being the best disciplined, well behaved, caring, and most respectful kids in their classes for the past four consecutive years. I trust and I know they will don't bring shame and dishonor to me.I achieved that by discipline at home.

Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
Proverbs 29:15 The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother.
Proverbs 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die.

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TAGZEN

WENA ORENG GA OBATLE NGWANA WA GAGO A SEKA KGWATHA , LORE LO OJWA LO SALE METSI, LESEPA LA NTSWA LO DUJWA LO SA LE METSI , ITSE GORE O TLA LELELA KGAMA LE MOGOGORO WA THANYA LOMAPO LOLE TSEBENG, NGWANA YO O SA UTLWING MOLAO WA BATSADI OTLA UTLWA WA MANONG A TSHWANA LE WENA . O KA MO KGWATHISA MME FELA OSA DIRISE MAIKUTLO A A KO GODIMO GA LEBAKA LA GO KGALEMA KA LERATO FELA .
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Decibels

If Zuma and Gwede ain't talking about stepping down what's the point??
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MGEEZ

Mantashe stop playing politics with us please
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Mbedzhana

Hey Mantashe, why didn't you use it to correct Malema? This hide and sick won't get you anyway. You just brought shame to ANC and most of people dont want to be seen with you.

During Zuma's Spear case you said we wont win what we didn't win in the streets so please tell me the street where we going to win this to be brought back.

You, Jackson Mthembu and Blade Nzimande said people must not buy The Star which means that you encourage the people not to read or study. Mr Mantashe please resign right now as SG.
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Lesoba-Le-Boya

Ngwana o utlwa ka letlalo...
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BRA-MAFUTHA

@Mgaraji
Thanks for the word of scriptures

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malemaforpresident

Hei Madoda Mantashete o na le bana? wonder how they look like
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jnrb

A discipline crises in schools? Really? Well what do you expect? The Supreme Court of Appeal sentenced both Shabir Shaik and Jackie Selebi to 15 years in jail for corruption but you and your ANC buddies just side step the whole process and release them from prison. You reap what you sow, Comrade!
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Lehoes

@Mgaraji

You could have said it better. You know if we could live by the Bible we would never go wrong. It should however be done in a non emotional manner but as a guidance to a better life to never do wrong again.
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cornelius

Corporal punishment can be a good education tool, but only if applied by mature, wise, experienced educators. In the hands of the childish monkeys we frequently see dancing on our tv screens, we hear about coming drunk to school, having sexual relationships with learners, etc, it will be a disaster.
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MicaParis

Which weed does ''Sekhoraneradimpa'' smoked so very early in the morning! Or maybe he have taken dope for the first time in his life! That will actually mean the following, that the Torture Convention that was accented to by South Africa in 1994 be scraped, the Constitution on right of dignity on section 10 should be amended and section 12 on security of a person should be amended! That will mean the Schools Act will have to be amended as well! We will need 75% of the National Assembly and Council of Provinces majority to change the Constitutional clauses and still need adoption by full Parliament to withdraw the Torture Convention and the Convention on Right of A Child as well as the amendment of the Schools Act! That is in brief your International Law for you Comrade Gwede, now do you realize how difficult is it to change all those things, it is very interesting and hopeless to be lead by visually impaired leaders who are suffering from lack of intellectual vivaciousness, Mandela signed for those instruments 15 years ago and he will remain relevant for a long time about corporal punishment in schools which will never resurrect in our country as it is totally unconstitutional!! Constitutional Law 101, for Gwede might be very vital under this kind of circumstances!!
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Just another man trying to be controversial and hog the newspaper headlines in the runup to Mangaung. Very similar to Jacob Zuma on the death penalty. Mantashe is a damn opportunist, but his approach is in line with how he has treated the ANC Youth League. It may well be that caning is going to be introduced in the ANC to deal with "ill-discipline".
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mmmtkm

Mantashe talks too much ,really he cant even pick his words
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NeoBaBe

At the end of the day its all begin at home, back in the days when punishment was allowed the schools were strict, one could not even think of not doing homework, being late or cutting classes.. bt now its all cool, no punishment.. thats why there is higher level of pregnancy, drugs, izikhali at schools... n THUGS at school.

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Firefly

Dankie Mantashe. Those kids do not need a spanking, they need a beating like Trevor Noah said.
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Nincompoop

Come on now Mantashe, you should be charged for canning your kids. Everytime you speak, you just blow hot air. Tell us now also that there were some good that apartheid had, like nursing and teachers colleges, TELL US !!! Nxa !
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zino

its too late baba
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nkotekapeleketatile

Corporal Punishment has never helped to develop the cognition of the learners in terms of critical thinking. Ayi Manatashe, hana le wena you are one of the Bantu Education products, I am not surprised at your statement.
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JB$

He needs to focus on losing weight a tlogele go apara dikhiba
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Mgaraji
MommaC you are indeed correct
If spanking is used within a nurturing, loving home, it can have very positive results.

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him (Proverbs 13:24).
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him (Proverbs 22:15).
Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die (Proverbs 23:13).
The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother (Proverbs 29:15).
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On a serious note, I think it will be irresponsible to reintroduce corporal punishment in schools. I speak as one who was an educator for five years before pursuing other interests. If indeedd corporal punishment is introduced, it has to be administered by the principal, and in that case the incident must be entered in a log book, which should be monitored by the School Governing Body and Education Department.

Personally I am in principle, opposed to corporal punishment being administered at school. My experience as a pupil was full of incidents where corporal punishment was administered unfairly and under very controversial circumstances. How can I forget the Afrikaans teacher who used to beat us up children every Thursday because it was Donderdag. And then ofcourse during those days were teaching was a calling they were many teachers who were frustrated by their own personal circumstances and would vent their frustrations on innocent kids. The worst situations were those ugly circumstances where the teacher would be pressurising a girl child to either have an affair or sleep with him. If the girl child turned him down he would find every pretext to get at the child. It is wrong for a school teacher to fall in love with a school child let alone pressurise the child. Now in these days of SADTU where teachers do their own thing and are a law unto themselves the reintroduction of corporal punishment will be a disaster.

During my five years as a teacher, my views on corporal punishment changed. The first two years, I applied corporal punishment selectively. However, in the last three years I focussed on motivating children through talking and I never had to administer corporal punishment, not even once. I am convinced that the use of corporal punishment in some circumstances encourages children to resort to violence to resolve their problems.

I am a father now, and my personal experience is that children have to be raised right from the start. While I use corporal punishment in the early years of a child, it is not done out of frustration. The Book of Proverbs that people quote selectively to defend corporal punishment actually puts more emphasis on teaching, instruction and nurturing. There has to be a good reason to administer corporal punishment at home. It cannot be that a parent always resorts to corporal punishment to respond to a child's behaviour.

As for Gwede Mantashe's use of a switch is laughable. Is a switch superior to a belt (which I use once in a blue moon) or a stick. I do not think so! I am alsop pretty sure tha if King Solomom lived today, he would have had a lot to say about a lot of things.
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malemaforpresident

Aaaai mantasheete attention seeker tlosha ditedu ntate o hlape meno ao baba there are lots and lots of dentists in the country
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CYBORICO

induku iyadingeka esgele finish and klaar, the problem is the user, teachers tend to get emotional and over traap kids instead of only purnishing them for the wrong done at the time. Kids by nature will push the limits, without any drastic measures things can really get out of hand. They might have been told rong from right but most want to experience the dont do's' hence imvubu enothando or yokuqondisa iyadingeka. dont take out your family steam on them poor kids tishela
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Mzabalazo

Old timer we cannot go to the past, no child of mine will be terrorised thank you
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VENDALIOUS

is that a stick or a cock
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Mzabalazo

The rod nonsense is not a solution, we have thugs in prison some were students with us and the stick never made them better people, some even ran away from schools and worse still some left their homes. Even before the banning of the corporal punishment my parents were not beating us and mind you my father is an evangelical priest but he never raised a hand on us and every child he has is independent and doing well, we are not spoiled nor are we thugs let alone people who have no respect. The rod nonsense is not helping anyone except terrorised children. There many methods hat can be used to displine a child and teach them that anything they do has repercussions and that works.
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