Can sowetan please stop informing us about the ANC. It is very depressing because nothing changes, the backstabbing get worse, the lies are pathetic, logic and common sense is not applicable. Haai maan ba bora. Report Abuse
That was not an ANC gathering but well wishers for Madiba. Is there anything wrong with Winnie Madikizela-Mandela coming with someone she considers as her grandson? Does the ANC now choose who you associate with even outside ANC programs? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Chichi7
Thought people were free to choose who they supported. Were these two not building homes or something like that? Is that not something to be proud of ANC? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Memme
Gwede thinks they can control Winnie, or do they want the whole world to be against Malema?? Winnie is a grown woman who is entitled to do what she feels is right.
Ke kgopela Gwede ayo hlapa a kute le ditedu tse mpe tse and stop being so angry at the world. Malema is threatening them so much which is why they don't want him to be associated with some ANC members - Wa gafa Morena Mantashe. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MommaC
I still can't get over the photo in Mail and Guardian!
Its her choice, dont you think wena Gwede? Just leave this Magogo alone and shut up. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
A little honesty from Gwede Mantashe will help the situation.Mantashe's statement on Madikizela-Mandela is really dishonest and self-serving. More than anyone Madikizela-Mandela knows that Malema's disciplinary hearing was politically inspired and aimed at removable a formidable campaigner in ANC circles in the runup to Mangaung. Mantashe should know by now that he is unlikely to survive Mangaung. It is not ill-discipline of Madikizela-Mandela to take a public stand and expose the hypocrisy and double standards in the ANC. Mantashe talks about an NEC which has failed dismally to uphold the ANC Constitution, and act without fear or favour in applying discipline. The likes of Mantashe still insist with straight faces that Malema's censure was about discipline when he himself knows deep in his heart that it IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE. I trust more and more NEC members will come out publicly to expose the hypocrisy and double standards in the ANC. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mdala
Well Mantashe why don't you bring charges against mama if she breaks ANC's constitution? why do you think Mandela divorced this old b!tch? and why she was slapped (chisa mpama style) by Mbeki during the June16 celebrations? Go figure yourself about this so overrated tw@t. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mellow
Gwede are you gonna give winnie the pooh what julie@rse is giving her? This is one war I dont see ANC winning a woman going thru menopause playing voet voet with a Ben-10 is just a ticking bomb especially when that Ben-10 is chubby cheeks barney aka julie@rse Report Abuse
ZOOMER and MANTAŠE's dayzz are numbered.......they act like they own ANC.They pissssssses me offff.Who are they to dictate to people who they should support,megwete ya bona. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
malemaforpresident
This shows how Mantashe hate Malema and his fear of the Young Lion Does that mean if you are a member of the ANC you are not eligible to your own freedom of expression? They know JUJU is serious threat to them come Mangaung Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
keepchange
Indeed , very dangerous, and not only for the 0rganisation, but for the country (SA).She and those idiots must leave Tata and the Organization alone and form their own opposition party. She must also remember that NR Mandela is no longer her husband and must refrain from from minglling over his name. As for those 'rebels' their days are numbered and will soon reap what they sew. Time is almost up for them. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
SharpSharp
Mantashe is intolerant of others...He is the one who need DC .He is dangerous to our organisation i dnt think we need this kind of mentality in our org. Report Abuse
What did I say in my blog yesterday about this , this old crocodile is now secking attention , nothing has been happening with her for a very very long time , and Winnie has now realised that , hence I said its a last kick of a dieing horse , no one any more see Winnie as there hero now , except an irritating old granny , who is suppose to be focusing on looking after her granny children like any other normal granny mother , of which Winnie is not.My advise to ANC NEC ,don`t get your self to that low , if someone is a moron , stop arguing with a moron , people will not notice the difference. Let Winnie hang herslf give her a rope to hang her political life, Winnie is finished fortunately Thambo Mbeki and her Ex-HUSBAND were wise to see that , hence Winnie is a devorcee. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
S'khulu
It is very likely that ANC leadership are hellbent on playing the man than the ball. Is it Julius they are against or his utterances? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MGEEZ
I thought that ours was a democracy and not a dictatorship!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Secretary
Everything against Zuma in ANC is ill-discipline. Mantashe can continue to go to hell. The truth will remain, Malema has a point and people should stop to personalize the ideas of Juju instead they should understand the contents of his ideas. The issue of expropriating our land without compensation and mine nationalization will haunt everybody including Nkandla Nation if we do not allow its discussion to fully unfold. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
1tsotsi
Since when Mandela's birthday has anything to do with Anc? Malema was doing 67 minutes for mandela not for the ANC, i thought since they chased our PRESIDENT Malema they wont mention his name again, But clearly i see their ill-informed deciscion is haunting them already.. Go to the nearest tomatoe and hang yourself wena Gwede. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mudidi
The question is our we dividing the movement further and further or try and unite it....I ask, as both are wrong (Zuma and Juju) we deserve better honestly......to choose between the two is division in its own right. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
nkomazi
ANC, Gwede and Mthembu contiueing supporting rapist is a danger to SA Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
2shy2call
Malema ask those in Soweto who accustrated the death of Stompie Seipei. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Theotherguy
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.
The circus never end. Is Mantashe aware of freedom of association, July 18 is Mandela day not ANC day well so I thought, my guess is that this will not go anywhere. We just have to be careful here about dictator tendencies displayed by Untsebe, Msholozi, Nzimande etc
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Jul 20, 2012
mhlupheki
no matter how you can decorate it, it goes without saying that she is happy to see a divided ANC. i hope she understand the results of what she is doing. no matter what Zuma revive her political career as Mbeki has had thrown her away and thats the thanks Zuma is getting Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
xhosagirl
Thabo Mbeki didnt like you,uTata Nelson divorced you, Zuma was the only one who gave you a second chance now you do this to him? yaa nee politics
@Flemza
if someone is a moron , stop arguing with a moron , people will not notice the difference. Let Winnie hang herslf give her a rope to hang her political life, Winnie is finished fortunately Thambo Mbeki and her Ex-HUSBAND were wise to see that , hence Winnie is a devorcee.
Before you utter words like moron you should take a good look at yourself and ask yourself are you not one? and while you are still at check oxford dictionary for the meaning of the word. Another advice this is just ANC politics leading up to Mangaung do not be emotional as you have always been it exposes your level of IQ and believe you me is below -0 Report Abuse
Guys those of you who keep bringing up Winnie's divorce, please be reasonable, that has nothing to do with story and as for Thabo clapping her publicly, that was just plain disrespectful of him. I must say that I am shocked that some of you link these two to this story!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
....I think there is more to this story between Gogo Winnie and JuJu.
Now that the ANC has served divorce papers on JuJu and Umsholozi has switched off the tender monies taps in Limpopo, JuJu is looking for a sugar mommy to maintain him.
...Pasop wena JuJu, you gonna be another Stompie!!!!!! Never trust an Imphondo woman Mfana Wami!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
....I think there is more to this story between the GoGo and JuJu....
Now that the ANC has served divorce papers on JuJu and Umsholozi has turned off the tender monies taps in Limpopo, JuJu is looking for a sugar mommy to maintain him.
Pasop Wena JuJu, you gonna be another Stompie..mamma loves young boys!!!!! Never marry an IMphondo woman Mfana Wami!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Dzel
Discipline Winnie, you’ve gotta be kidding?
The ANC goes for easy targets, Winnie is too big a fish to be intimidated and has too rich a history to be disciplined so Gwede will make sound bites but they won’t do anything to her.
Similarly Brett Murray and the Goodman Gallery were easy targets and they could be intimidated into submission. Zapiro on the other hand has his middle finger permanently pointed at Zuma’s direction and the president knows he can’t do a thing about it. We had murmurs here and there in response to Zapiro’s d*ckhead cartoon and a feeble attempt at intimidation but they knew they M&G and Zapiro are two formidable opponents so the noise died down very quickly, the cartoon is still on M&G’s website.
I dare you to try intimidating Winnie Gwede, I am not a fan but neither am I a fan of abusing power to intimidate others. You guys are bullies including the very Malema who is now playing the victim.
These Mantashe is crazy. It was Mandela day not ANC day. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
THEmadame2BBBEE
Gwede is jealous because he is not chowing mo Winnie Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Obzam
the're two divisions within ANC is either your with ZUMA or JUJU-are u one of the corrupt people by supporting Zuma's administration or u want change by being with JUJU the choice is yours. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Theotherguy
@mhlupheki
no matter how you can decorate it, it goes without saying that she is happy to see a divided ANC. i hope she understand the results of what she is doing. no matter what Zuma revive her political career as Mbeki has had thrown her away and thats the thanks Zuma is getting
My take is that Zuma and Malema are both responsible for dividing the ANC, before Polokwane it was Mbeki and Zuma, I really fail to understand how is Mama mandela dividing ANC by associating with Malema, their relationship goes beyond the politics of ANC remember Malema then president of Cosas supported Winnie in her corruption trial so should she discard him like ANC did? well if you support Msholozi second term bid you will be angry at this association thats what happens when you bet a horse you will support it no matter how ill it is Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mudidi
kwa LOL @THEmadame2bbbee you are crazy Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Decibels
Gwede Mantashe can go ahead and baster his voice...comrade Malema remains the taster's choice. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Dzel
januswanus
Something about your nick makes me very uncomfortable ... sounds too familiar and the context makes me worried. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
malemaforpresident
Gwede must be expelled from the ANC once this moron is destrying our beloved organisation what is wrong if winnie attended Tata's birthday with Malema i mean that has got nothing to do with the ANC in was in a personal capacity tomorrow it will be why Winnie attended a wedding with malema Nxaaa Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
phakisas
she didn't respect his President husband and she was fired as the minister by Mandela, she is really a problem and the Anc should deal with her like they did with all ill discipline comrades. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Good morning All,
I think that the ANC is right by slamming Winnie. I mean, how can she support someone who shows utter disrespect to everyone he disagrees with. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Neon
Winnie is a conniving murderous b*tch. No wonder Madiba devorced her. This morning I listened to one of his speeches, and again I thought to myself If there was only more people of his calibre.
Winnie is dangerous, an ararchist and sowing division. Malema is her hand puppet, and I think she has more. She is doing her witchery behind the political scenes.
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Hi there
Absolutely! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
jnrb
She thanked him for making "us see in our lifetime that it is possible to liberate our people economically and better their lives". Well seeing that she so fond of history, take Tanzania as one example where nationalisation was appllied. In 1961, Julius Nyerere was elected Tanganyika's first Prime Minister, and following independence, in 1962, the country's first President. Nyerere issued the Arusha Declaration, which outlined his socialist vision of "ujamaa" that came to dominate his policies. The policies led to a collapsing economy, systematic corruption, and unavailability of goods. In the early 1970s Nyerere ordered his security forces to forcibly transfer much of the population to collective farms and, because of opposition from villagers, often burned villages down. The campaign pushed the nation to the brink of starvation and made it dependent on foreign food aid. Nationalizations transformed the government into the largest employer in the country. This created an environment ripe for corruption. The private sector suffered from multiplying cumbersome bureaucratic procedures and excessive tax rates. Enormous amounts of public funds were misappropriated and put to unproductive use. Purchasing power declined at an unprecedented rate and even essential commodities became unavailable. A system of permits (vibali) allowed officials to collect huge bribes in exchange for the vibali. Nyerere's policies laid out a foundation for systemic corruption for years to come. In 1985, after more than two decades in power, he relinquished power to his hand-picked successor. “Nyerere left Tanzania as one of the poorest, least developed, and most foreign aid-dependent countries in the world.” See Skinner, Annabel (2005). Tanzania & Zanzibar. New Holland Publishers. pp. 19. ISBN 1-86011-216-1. Winnie learn this lesson that Government bureaucrats never create wealth, they only know how to spend money.
Obzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:
The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mdala
Winnie is a snake a black mamba too the one that can never be trusted even by any snake experts. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Let Gwede Mantashe bark as much he likes, there is nothing he can do to Mama. They can try to bring charges against her but I do not think she will appear before the kangaroo court. She knows what happens there. Not when you have the likes of Collins Chabane, Derek Hanekom, Jeff Radebe, Cyril Ramaphosa and the like. those guys have squandered their political careers by allowing themselves to be used by the Zuma faction to stifle debate and settle scores. The truth is that the Zuma faction is currently dominant in the NEC and NWC. This is the NEC Mantashe is talking about. After all many of the people's livelihood depends on Jacob Zuma. You just do not bite the hand that feeds you. That was also the case during Mbeki's time and that will also be the case when Motlanthe is president. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
malemaforpresident
"KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT......"
...Intshebe wem Mbuzi is Winnie's little puppy dog.......they just want to use him to get control of the ANC, so a vote for him will be a vote for Winnie and her concubine Stompie. The delegates at Mangaung are a lot wiser than to vote them into power!!!!
.......Mangaung is over and done with, we just need to sign the papers..... Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Dzel
MommaC
I still can't get over the photo in Mail and Guardian!
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I saw that hey! as suggestive as it was I just can't imagine the two being romantically involved inspite of the Dali Mpofu affair. I think their relationship is symbiotic where each uses the other for their own benefit. Sad thing is each of their agendas are not in the interests of SA so this is a dangerous liaison, its like watching two psychopaths go on a campaign of destruction and neither has the ability to appreciate the path of destruction they are creating. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
malemaforpresident
Gwede must be expelled from the ANC once this moron is destrying our beloved organisation what is wrong if winnie attended Tata's birthday with Malema i mean that has got nothing to do with the ANC in was in a personal capacity tomorrow it will be why Winnie attended a wedding with malema Nxaaa
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Hi, morning
Gwede speaks in his capacity as spokesperson of the ANC.
Now i think this so called ANC NEC,THEY A VERY SICK,how on earth u accused someone saying my grandson?? I think General SEC of ANC need to rest is old madal need to spend times with ur family,if is realy want to see this Oganization growing high!!!jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Obzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:
The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt
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hello
I really like your views. U always spot on, I wish SA could really wake up. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Groovisto
Gogo going!
Always this Gogo has her own views. This is nothing new! Always a Rebel ! ! ! She must retire now, everything of hers has expired!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Asinamali
@mdala
You are out of order comrade,how can you call Mama Mandela a bitch,i am sure she is older than your mom,all zuma supporters have no respect just like him.our constitution allows us to associate our self with who ever we want and we have a freedom of speech as-well,Yes she is supporting Malema and is her choice,you grow up spoiled. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Fncking Julius is the only way the toilet gogo could stay relevant, the ANC should just let her run around like a headless chicken, let the powder puff gogo get her fnck or place her on retirement Gwede man. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
phetlapi
sowetan you shouldn't have bothered youself publishing this article,Mantashe dont you know about freedom of choice,you s#ck big time !!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
ThirdEye
Gwede can't choose who Winnie associate with outside ANC, Mandela Day is not a ANC function but a day for a country to celebrate a State man's birthday. Gwede, Jackson Mthembu & Zuma are liars, we will never trust them. They expelled Malema because he was against them, they must not think that we are fools. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Dzel
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat,
A little honesty from Gwede Mantashe will help the situation.Mantashe's statement on Madikizela-Mandela is really dishonest and self-serving. More than anyone Madikizela-Mandela knows that Malema's disciplinary hearing was politically inspired and aimed at removable a formidable campaigner in ANC circles in the runup to Mangaung
The point is these were valid charges brought against Malema and he would have been found guilty by any court or committee who were guided by the rules and regulations of the ANC and the code of conduct which stipulates how members should behave and relate to each other in the interests of the party.
How the charges came about I subservient to the merits of the case. Bottom-line is Malema was thrown a number of lifelines to remedy the situation and true to his character he was too stubborn to realise when it was time to back off.
Peter Mokaba – Malema’s hero - was also another hothead but to his credit he understood that there are limits to what one can do and how far he can push the party and the then president of the ANC Nelson Mandela. Malema has an emotional intelligence of a toad, he and only he is responsible for his expulsion. He thought he is bigger than the ANC, bigger than its president and above reproach. Trying to blame Zuma for his downfall shows just how delusional Malema and his supporters are.
The gaping hole in your argument is Malema himself is known to have used the ANCYL DC process and his position as president to intimidate and settle political scores but you guys conveniently forget this when pointing fingers at Zuma. If Zuma is a dictator then Malema is an even bigger dictator considering the amount of blood on the ANCYL DC floor which went as far as to dissolve an entire KZN ANCYL PEC largely because it was led by Zuma’s nephew. These are the facts you conveniently forget as you call others dictators.
Theotherguy, I dont trust that woman. She is a radical - and we all know what radicals do to countries all over the world. They are in it for themeselves. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
killerinsects
We will meet in Mangaung and after that things will be fine,all this old madala like Zuma,Gwede and pusserface J Mthembu and company u run ANC like Spaza Shop!!nxaaaaa Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Kone
What happen to freedom of association as enshrine in the constitution of the republic?.......................
Or we are already in a Banana republic?........... Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Blackthought
She loves the attention...thinks she's more important than everyone in the ANC because she's Tata's ex....that woman is illadvised like her son juju. They both should be aware of winds of change in our political landscape. Juju has been reduced to a comedian while she is almost none existant in many people's eyes. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
forward with the struggle forward, we never ever surrender until we get back what has been taken out on us, the youngster must never ignore politics, we can use our masses to gain the power so that we can bring back our beautiful land to the blacks...amdlaaa!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Kone
What happen to freedom of association as enshrine in the constitution of the republic?.......................
Or we are already in a Banana republic?...........
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for Pete`s sake, Winnie is a public figure. What message is she sending by associating with Malema. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Neon
Kone, this is freedom of association, she associated her with despots, and the Anc reacted on her association - their right too. it could be worse you know. They could have shot her........ Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
THEmadame2BBBEE
ya no the Mail and Guardian photo makes it clear that there a process of carnal interlude going on there between Juju and Winnie....then I was distracted by Thuli Madonsela’s photo on the bottom (The madam is ugly) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Neon
qili, yeah then South Africa can just become another despotic dump in the world - You would love that hey? Report Abuse
I've had enough of the African National Crisis Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
we are aware about those top leaders in our movement who sell us(black) out to the white during the times of Codesa..Shame on you for selling out of minerals and land to the imperialists.The outcomes of those meetings were that you could have the political power but the gold and diamonds would remain in the hands of the individuals that controlled it before. Have you forgotten what the Freedom Charter had said?? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
The_Only_1
In my entire life; ngiyaqala ukuzwa umbhedo onje!
Anyway let me refer to section of the Bill of Rights - 16 (1) (a) Freedom of Expression which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression which includes - (a) freedom of the press and other media. The rights in subsection 16(1)(a) does not extend to - (a) advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm.
So I'm feel very embarrased even if I'm not directly involved in making such idiotic statement that umama uMadikizela Mandela must stop making any statement about Julius Malema? After 18 years of democracy; some people are still practicing laws of colonialism. Whoever said that is a DICKIE - TATOR!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
the puppet who kills Hani as he was the only leader who could predudice the revolution
One of the most revealing aspects of the economic transition was the ownership of the Reserve Bank of South Africa. Arguably the most powerful institution in the country, its fate was explained by Durban businessman Vishnu Padaychee; asked to draft a document for the negotiating team on the on the pro’s and con’s of having an autonomous central bank, run with total autonomy from the elected government. Padayachee could not believe what he was hearing. He and his team drafted and submitted the document with a clear policy of not allowing the Reserve Bank to be autonomous.
He was later told by the negotiating team that, “We had to give that one up”.
bt that stupid woman has been doing that since I knew her, ask her former husband Mandela! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
magaula
Is gwede Too afriad of Malema? He thinks he can bully everyone around, For heavens sake, Malema was not attending an ANC day, but a day of one of the greatest world icon, Malema was invited by the Mandela Family... Gwede should continue teaching history, since he taught history on the 18th. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
Mr Former President what you have done for black people is that you have laid the final brick by selling out on the struggle to achieve your dream of political victory. Your dream which has become our worst nightmare as black people.
You sold us as black nation for a “Noble Peace Prize” and that is the reason for the service delivery demonstration and the lack of service delivery. Our Constitution hailed as the best in the world favours the Caucasians while it oppresses the Africans. Thanks for nothing Mandela. You understood the Kempton Park negotiations as a sell-out solution to rescue white capital and for the few in power, and that such a democracy would continue the suffering of the black majority.
I have a problem with people giving “Messianic status to Madiba” like a black Jesus when we all know that you have failed the black nation.
qili
forward with the struggle forward, we never ever surrender until we get back what has been taken out on us, the youngster must never ignore politics, we can use our masses to gain the power so that we can bring back our beautiful land to the blacks...amdlaaa!!!!!
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You think you people are so righteous dont you? Your people were stealing cattle and land from each other before the whites ever came to this country so who does the land really "belong' to? Our beautiful land is being destroyed by the blacks (anc). look at the fracking that is being proposed, the filth that is abundant in own once clean cities. The anc has destroyed everything that was once beautiful. Even farm land given to black farmers has had to be reclaimed by the government because it was being destroyed ands misused! The youngster must ignore politics until they have finished school and educated enough to make informed decisions! Telling a child they are entitled to free land. minerals and wealth is both dangerous and irresponsible! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Candid
OH MY!
@ MalemaforPresident- please make up your mind as whom should be your president.
@Keepchange & Mudidi and Flemza I'm with you...
@Nkomazi- name calling is so shallow, I don't like the man either, sadly he is still our President, it shows your weakness..stop it.
@ Neon LOL...true.
Winnie Madikizela Mandela needs to know her place...Juju must man up 5 years is not so bad and stop hiding behind skirts...he must go get a Masters or something. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
Obzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:
The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt
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Malema was never found any guilty of corruption, hence Zuma's charges were dropped without going to court and his family is linked with Gupta family who control South African economy. And Zuma has some connection with EduSolution the company which failed to deliver textbooks in Limpopo.. Hopefully this will help you and stop embarrassing yourself with your little knowledge
IN MY TYMS*SINGING* WAGUGA MFAZI THIXO Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
THEmadame2BBBEE
In the first place y is Winnie being ridiculed here, I mean she did everything to protect Mandela, and when she protects her family even if it meant eliminating an informer like Stompie or better getting some chow from some men when TaTa was in prison she is labelled a promiscuous woman and unfaithful because she has to satisfy her sexual needs, and called a murderer......yet again still the ANC is telling her what to do with the juju issue...... Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
qili
You definitely are smoking something today!!! The anc post Madiba has failed the blacks and the nation. Madiba laid the foundations and the anc has failed to even build on that foundation. The anc is for self enrichment and power. that is the reason for service delivery failures! Dont you read the newspapers to read of the wasteful spending the corruption, the tender frauds etc etc. This is the failure of the anc NOT Madiba. Zoomer and his cronies like to balme the white man for the failures his party has created much as Bob blames the British for Zims woes. Yet het has been in power since 1980 and done nothing. Its about time you take the massive chip off your shoulder, open you bloody eyes and lay blame where it belongs. The current anc and NOT Madiba. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Neon
qili, if it was not for Mandela, this country could have been worse off. Your skirt of distaste for other people of colour is hanging far out. you probably wanted a war like Malema. I have read a in-depth article of him. It is clear this man want conflict and nothing else. If given the chance he will become the same despot as Idi Amin, Assad, Charles Taylor ect. Stop thinking in "black and white" our chindren will not benefit from your mindset. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@Buc4life
JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided.
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That was not for ANC but for Madiba, its doesn't mean if someone fired from the company u r working for, you dont have to be associated with that person. For your info Not all ANC NEC hates Malema only few who think they own ANC Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
I also blame INKOSI Mangosuthu who was once again supposed to assist in the process of power transformation the he failed as he was only looking to have a cake on kzn than what blacks will need during the democrase, he should have look what the freedom charter is all about...intsead he was fighting black against black Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
"Grelim" Mantashe is behaving like a "suspect" on Cheaters.. *Jealous that he can't have Winnie*
Gwede should get over himself, he's a small boy, he cant do anything.
The whole anc is rotten at the moment from the top to the bottom. I wish that mandela had asked for a birthday wish that would see thabo as president again, these monkeys have gone too far. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
cocolucho
Gwede should get over himself, he's a small boy, he cant do anything.
The whole anc is rotten at the moment from the top to the bottom. I wish that mandela had asked for a birthday wish that would see thabo as president again, these monkeys have gone too far.
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I bet Madibas birthday wish was that he belonged to the DA ;-) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
qili
@Neon, I myself like the white lady but because of being black and the way the aparatheid system put us makes me feel like crying if I knew what Madiba did during the negotiations...I feel lonely and cry it's not all of us black who can produce quality food in the market when it comes to farming but as I grown up on the farm I know how to do the farming so really we need to intervene and get back our land Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Theotherguy
@ Neon
Theotherguy, I dont trust that woman. She is a radical - and we all know what radicals do to countries all over the world. They are in it for themeselves
Cl!ck
......"Grelim" Mantashe is behaving like a "suspect" on Cheaters.. *Jealous that he can't have Winnie*
i second that motion comrade, or maybe Gwede wants some more, I guess Winnie must be a hound dog in bed
Msola321
@Buc4life
JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided.
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That was not for ANC but for Madiba, its doesn't mean if someone fired from the company u r working for, you dont have to be associated with that person. For your info Not all ANC NEC hates Malema only few who think they own ANC
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Irrespective. Winnie is doing great damage to the ANC(not that there isnt damage already) by hanging out with Malema. She has long lost her credibility, and will continue to because she associates herself with ill-disciplined members. well, not surprised, she is ill-disciplined herself. ANC NEC who love Malema do so because they are using him as a stepping stone for their own agendas.
Malema is bad news for this country and for the world as a whole. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@Buc4life
Why r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.
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I am not a Winnie or Juju fan........... nothing that comes out of "Piranha" Mantashe's mouth is palatable
The anc leaders are too much pussies to discipline someone like Winnie, also they themselves are illdisciplined, so you can't preach discipline to the youth and give your president a razzmatazz to sleep with friends daughters, the anc leaders are expecting too much from their youth, too much which they themselves have failed to live up to and lead the youth by examples,
Finally, Winnie is a necessary evil for the anc, just to put final nail on this sham anc has become.
And I don't blame her either if she destroys the anc, cause the anc is Winnie, it was Winnie who kept it alive whilst others were having good time in exile, Winnie had to deal with ruthless security forces, she fend them off all by herself, so she is allowed to take the p!ss, but the photo of yesterday with her kissing Malema was really a cherry on top, no wonder grandpa Mantashe feels left out in the cold, anyway who needs mutton when you can have a lamb, go for it Winnie lol Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Neon
qili, the land issue must be sorted out, but not in a radical way. Those boere are an asset to this country. By just taking land will not rectify anything. The Anc has failed many poor people, by not empowering them. How may countless time have we read about corruption? Not millions but billions of rands! If we can count all that money that has be stolen by the Anc and their cronies you will probably have a heart attack. Just think how much we could have done? But unfortuanately the Malema and Winnie way will not bring sanity - They are even worse.
There are some people in this country that would rather see this country burning to the ground. Those are the real dangerous people. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsKinky....LOVL @Pirhana Mantashe, lol that's original and a good one too! lol Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Msola321
@Buc4life
Why r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...?
Report Abuse
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Im referring to SA.
Malema is a self-centred,disrespectful, arrogant boy(i say boy). He is an opportunist and a power-hungry individual who will stop at nothing to use the very ppl he claims to emancipate for economic freedom. He talks about nationalisation baut he has no clue on how it will be applied.
He accuses other ppl of being corrupt yet we all know how he influenced tenders in Limpopo. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Yeah, Julius wasnt found guilty of corruption (yet). But then again, neither was Zuma.
"his family is linked with Gupta family who control South African economy. And Zuma has some connection with EduSolution the company which failed to deliver textbooks in Limpopo.."
Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free (John 8:32). Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
On a serious note I don’t get it, If you’re anti- Zuma, Are you ill discipline….? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
GrRRRpha
On paper Winnie is Tata ex, but in tradition she is still the second wife. The family does not divorce people only individual, hence she has a say in in the Mandela clan Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
ooh yesterday I also our useless African leaders lined in a cue to shake hands with God Hu Jintao in China, all the useless boys from Africa were standing obediently in a well ordered cue waiting to greet the new God to feed them and pose for photos, they are promised 20bil dollars pocket money, all the African boys were smiling like a cat seeing cream, it was embarrassing actually that Africa with its abundance of natural resources still these so called leaders still seek handouts, one person from Ghana said Africa's relationship with China is like running from Satan (West) only to seek refuge with Lucifer. All because we have useless, lazy to think, visionless leaders, who only look sharp in Western designed suits, but are very very useless to achieve anything of significance, I couldn't believe that they allowed world heritage in Timbukuti to be vandalised, as they were waiting for the West to save the day, useless useless bunch, jeeer Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
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Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers..... Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Anti-rhetoric
She is bad for the ANC and She is attention seeking granny. She is always late for all important meeting. Remember her and her kids had used up their savings from Mandela allocation and Zinzi was about to be evicted from her house for non-payment, we revived her career and she thinks she is untouchable.
She is nothing without the ANC, she married the ANC and by default she become the activists. Respect and discipline are most important characters of the activist, she disrespect the President of the ANC by having the affair with small boy. She compromised the diginity of the State President for personal pleasure. There is nothing special about her by now she want to hang on to the Mandela name because she is nothing without Mandela history. Mandela is married to Graca Mandela.
All her grand childern are using Mandela surname instead of their fathers surnames, we are expecting Julius Mandela as he is a grandson. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, Malema can only be bad for the country as a whole if we the citizens have absolved ourselves responsibility to electing effective leaders, then the vacuum will be felt by guys like malema and zuma, that is why our saving grace is vote anc out, cause they show lack of ability to lead this nation effectively, I am still astounded that zuma is their best leader there is. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321
@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
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Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers.
Its common/public knowledge. Or did you think that Julius can afford a R16 million house and R1 million a year spending money from having a few cows?
Oh, and Julius is being investigated. By SARS/Hawks and the PP.They are just taking their time, making sure the investigation is air-tight. Im sure Zuma is holding off on the information too, waiting to use it against Julius should he start blackmailing Zuma. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUY
Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc!
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Winnie was praising Malema on her personal capacity , she has a right to express herself Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - The company name is Onpoint, and if you have a DTI account, you can log in and view the directors. I can even give you Malema's ID number, and you can verify all the companies he is linked too. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Anti-rhetoric, if there is anybody who has a claim on the anc is Winnie, she stayed here in SA and suffered alongside the rest of us frm the security forces then, whilst its leaders were living high in exile. Hence I said, Winnie is anc, and you lot better do well to recognise that fact. That's not to say she is always right, but Winnie is not the problem in the anc leadership, even Mantashe has no claim to righteousness, so mazilime ziyetyeni, and get this party rolling down the cliff already! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Julius ID NO: 8103035973084 Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUY
Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc!
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Winnie was praising Malema on her personal capacity , she has a right to express herself
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You are missing the point dude. She is still a prominent member of the anc and her public endorsement of Juju EVEN in her personal capacity flies in the face of the anc and its NEC! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321
@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
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Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers.
Its common/public knowledge. Or did you think that Julius can afford a R16 million house and R1 million a year spending money from having a few cows?
Oh, and Julius is being investigated. By SARS/Hawks and the PP.They are just taking their time, making sure the investigation is air-tight. Im sure Zuma is holding off on the information too, waiting to use it against Julius should he start blackmailing Zuma.
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The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ somaartakeit
Here we go again.. *Ladies & gentlemen, fasten your seat-belts, captain "Wonder Woman" is here to save the political day..*
Oh! God Almighty here comes Gwede "Zidlele" Mantashe talking to us in the morning about amaqam, to remind you Zidlele that was not ANC rally, infact did you go to Qunu? Did Blade Ndzimande Tony Yengeni Angie Motshekga go to Qunu? What does that tell you?
Mantashe you are also unforgivable our children do not have books and you were quiet you never said a thing now it is Winnie you open your foul mouth. When people start to talk about failure of delivery you dark and dive but when its the penis of Zuma you lift up your arthritic legs and march, you also cause this division just look at yourself. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
mfanomncane
Tikoloshe
malemaforpresident
"KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT......"
...Intshebe wem Mbuzi is Winnie's little puppy dog.......they just want to use him to get control of the ANC, so a vote for him will be a vote for Winnie and her concubine Stompie. The delegates at Mangaung are a lot wiser than to vote them into power!!!!
.......Mangaung is over and done with, we just need to sign the papers.....
@WakeupSA there really is no need to publish private info about others, I know these discussion and the need for one to stress their point across could result in emotions running high, but man you can do better than this. I am not fan of Juju, but he like you and me deserves his privacy or would you like it if someone publishes your ID on a public forum? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "The House was financed by ABSA"
Hehe, what does that mean? Do you think ABSA will borrow anyone money for a R16 million house if they only earn +R20k a month? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
1tsotsi
"What she is doing is dangerous for the organisation. She has taken a decision to go against the ANC national executive committee's (position) on Julius. She has decided to oppose the decision," Mantashe told the Sowetan yesterday.
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What gwede is saying is dangerous to the society, its Winnies democratic choice to be with Our President Malema, how can they worry about Malema who they have fired? Are they afraid that they did a little lower than the devil and Juju, does better than them? Gwede is mad.. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Cl!ck *laughing* why wena for mina vele son? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUY
You are missing the point dude. She is still a prominent member of the anc and her public endorsement of Juju EVEN in her personal capacity flies in the face of the anc and its NEC!
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But she is still South African citizen like anyone else, hence she hav the same rights as me and you Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
KingMay
It's fine for Winnie to go with whoever she wants however she mus not comment about the ANC or polictics considering that the gathering was about birthday wishes for Mandela! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - You can publish my ID number if you want to. I have nothing to hide. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "The House was financed by ABSA"
Hehe, what does that mean? Do you think ABSA will borrow anyone money for a R16 million house if they only earn +R20k a month?
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For info Malema was meaning far more than that, and he is credit worthy unlike you Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
kilane
I wonder if winnie still goes to her office as a executive officer , Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - I dont have any debt :P But anyways, were not discussing me, we are discussing Julius, the corrupt dude. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA you give permission for yours to be published but have you considered that Juju didn't give you permission to publish his? Guys like you will miss the boat completely cause you are irrational when it comes to Juju, for instance he says some things which you also agree with, which means he is not always a devil but a misguided politician, but that's no reason to publish private stuff about him, if the state has a solid case of corruption against him he must be charged so should everyone else who is guilty of same starting with jacob and the ppl who gave malema (who was never a gov offical) access to public resources,
You will also find that, his house in Sandton is funded by some wh!te dude, there was an article on this issue the other day, my point is that, politicians can ONLY be corrupt for as long as the citizens allow them to be.
@Buc4life
Msola321
@Buc4life
Why r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...?
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Im referring to SA.
Malema is a self-centred,disrespectful, arrogant boy(i say boy). He is an opportunist and a power-hungry individual who will stop at nothing to use the very ppl he claims to emancipate for economic freedom. He talks about nationalisation baut he has no clue on how it will be applied.
He accuses other ppl of being corrupt yet we all know how he influenced tenders in Limpopo.
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Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime so why he was never charged....? Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC.
Nationalization is not his idea but our grandfathers and mothers, we need to benefit from our land all of us. I like South African constitution because if Malema want to still from the public they will prosecute him...Hopefully this will help you Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bebesocs
@SOWETAN why did'nt you show us the picture of mama Winnie kissing Juju wiht her mouth opened that picture looks very lovely, I asked you on the 18th to show us but you ignored me, we to see it that is our mom Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Papage
The fact remains, it is her right to associate with whomever she likes, it does not mean that because Zuma and Gwede hates him, we must all follow, They must sort their problems and not ask for our sympathy, they started this, they must feel the heat as well, " You talk bad about other people, encourage divisions in the ANC, now is their turn, let them feel it and dance like they danced in Polokwane. Feel it is here Gwede & Zuma. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
KingMay
It's fine for Winnie to go with whoever she wants however she mus not comment about the ANC or polictics considering that the gathering was about birthday wishes for Mandela!
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You can not divorce Winnie from anc in the same way that the anc can not divorce Mandela name from the anc, when you go outside SA, guess who is the most famous anc person after Mandela? its Winnie, I was amazed that this woman is known even in the Carrebbean as the anc pillar, in fact ppl admire her over there, for pulling the anc together whilst its leaders were outside SA, lets give her due credit, that's not to say I feel lots of love for her, but all these ppl telling Winnie what to do in the anc name have even less claim in the anc fame, that's my point. Report Abuse
Everytime people say Zuma is corrupt but the question is what happened to the arms deal primary contract( between government and arms manufactures). It is allege that Thale pays Zuma for protection against prosecution, it is prosecution againsts what? Zuma agreed he recieved the money from Shaik as a loan and he repayed it, how do you proof the corruption then?
Winnie is convicted Fraudster and immorally by having affair also. Juju is waiting for his turn, the corruption act of 2004 is more wider and stronger than the one that the one Shaik was prosecuted.
Zuma is protecting the ANC and Mandela in the arms deal. The true ANC members will have to find something to justify why JZ is not fit to be a president. You accussed him of failing the African agenda and he proved all sundries wrong.
@Antirhetoric wrong!! zuma is protecting himself FIRST, and if by any chance he is protecting the anc as you allege, you will find that the anc paid a high price for it by rewarding him with presidency which he is making a cork up of it and bleeding its votes.
When you speak of Winnie's infidelities, even Madiba said, when he was arrested Winnie was still a young woman very attractive and at a pick of her time, so he expected that she will have affair, what is zuma's excuse of having affairs whilst surrounded by all this wives? Thing is Winnie is no more immoral and corrupt than zuma is, its just that Winnie is linked to the most famous name in the country, so she is on the spotlight. Again that is not to say I have lotsa love for her, if I had my way, I wld wish for her to retire peacefully and be a proper gran to her grandchildren, Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
WakeUpSouthAfrica
u stil hav dat apartheid mentality : blacks can not archiev anything : Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
somaartakeit
@DBNDAguy how could you say that, when it was published that construction work has come to a halt due to lack of funds?
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From guesstimates the construction would be in the region of R16m (according to the press and i dont recall Juju denying the amount). Funny how funds have dried up since some of his friends were being probed for corruption and even his 'trust fund" is being probed? Fact remains if the house had not been paid up in full ABSA would not have allowed him to destroy his house and rebuild! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
@Anti-rhetoric - as far as I remember he threaten to spill the beans, lets hope those beans are not overcooked by now in his pants and we r' "still waiting for HIS day in court or spillage"
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Ma-Bhova
Gwede is smoking the rong tobbaco in his pipe. So Winnie the Pooh must ask her permission now? This started when they lost the charges, they went to Winnie's house and had a party plus lenyora to drown their sorrows. It's too late to stop that ship now Gwede, you can only hope for an Ice berg to stop. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
sh!tFaceSamsung - "u stil hav dat apartheid mentality"
:P Because Julius is corrupt? No broer, you still have the apartheid mentality. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MicaParis
Come on Comrade Gwede how can you get yourself involved with Winnie's nonsensical political antics. Winnie is suffering from trauma of the long list of people that she murdered through injections and poisons. Well is a sign that she will soon be lost from this world as her soul is trying to slowly clean itself before she finally say goodbye! May you all stand up and give a round of applause to the queen of toy boys and roll ons' for instilling arrogance and ill discipline on Juju. As for Juju and Magogo wa ditoyboy well their friendship is simple, they munch each other and there is nothing Gwede can do about that! Sexual intimacy is powerful than reality and honesty! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@DBNDAguy, I am not defending Malema but I am saying lets put things into perspective, cause its not possible for one politician who is not even a gov official to be super corrupt as malema is alleged to be without co-operation from the ppl responsible to put their signatures on the deals which malema is alleged to benefit from, imo we should take up our issues with such gov officials not a non gov official,
to look at it from a different perspective, when a wife finds a mistress in her house (bedroom) with her husband, who do you think is to blame given that the mistress has no keys to the house let alone the bedroom? I say lets lay the blame with mothale and zuma, afterall zuma appointed him in that post which he abused and resulted in his friend (malema) becoming corrupt. Malema is only a small fry in the big pond of corrupt big fishes, lets focus dear and nail the super corrupt anc big fishes. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Charley4sure
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Just to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Msola321
Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime so why he was never charged....? Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC.
Nationalization is not his idea but our grandfathers and mothers, we need to benefit from our land all of us. I like South African constitution because if Malema want to still from the public they will prosecute him...Hopefully this will help you
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I will say this to u once: Please be objective in ure comments. Do u know me? Did I tell u that I listem to the SABC? Even if I did, whatever i listen to, I apply my own mind to it. So, if u want us to have a healthy debate, stop undermining me solely because our comments differ.
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
@Tasto
@Anti-rhetoric - as far as I remember he threaten to spill the beans,
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that in itself concl that he blackmailed the anc into giving him presidency. And him knowing of possibly crime and not reporting this to the police makes him an accomplice, hence I say, zuma must face charges at the very least of defeating the end of justice, the DA fortunately is working round the clock to achieve this. Thank God that we have opposition like the DA that is not fast asleep on national issues, whilst anc fat cats squabble of the loot. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime"
He is being investigated. Do you remember how long the investigation into Selebi took?
"Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC."
I dont watch SABC :P
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So lets wait for the investigation and stop accusing him as far as I know one is innocent until proven guilty. so lets not rape our costintution like what Zuma did... Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong
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Your problem is you dont think at all and let Juju and the anc make all the decisions for you. Unlike you i have an open mind and look at all sources before I make a decision for myself.
Please tell me what bank will finance R16m worth of construction on a salary of R20000+- and allow the current house to be destroyed before being paid up. You my friend are the perfect anc sheep. Follow blindly without questioning! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@Charley4sure
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Just to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize.
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Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Charley4sure
Just to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize.
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Thanks for the clarity but it is still 6 of 1 and half a dozen of another! He is living way above his reported means.
@DADBNGuy, if Malema managed to raise enough deposit, he can get a loan, cause the bank will only give loan when risk is minimal to them, my take it that he raised enough funds for a deposit, like he said, he got given a car when didn't have one by some of his political mates like Tokyo amongst his wealthy friends, my take is that he must have raised a reasonable amount to put down towards the loan with ABSA, or even pay direct to the construction company. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, Malema can only be bad for the country as a whole if we the citizens have absolved ourselves responsibility to electing effective leaders, then the vacuum will be felt by guys like malema and zuma, that is why our saving grace is vote anc out, cause they show lack of ability to lead this nation effectively, I am still astounded that zuma is their best leader there is.
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absolutely. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
Cl!ck
Can't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
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LOL ooh wouldn't that be a treat for us ladies drooling over his gorgeous bod? I wld be more than willing to contribute to that fund, lol Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
somaartakeit
Dude you dont need to convince me of anything. The whole anc is corrupt and Juju and the premier of Limpopo obviously have a super corrupt relationship. There is the key to the door. Plus Juju is also reported to have introduced friend to other high ranking politicians and brokered deals.
But as long as you have self serving politicians in the anc we will always have corruption and tender fraud issues. At the moment there doesnt seem to be any anc politician who could steer the ship back on course! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong
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Your problem is you dont think at all and let Juju and the anc make all the decisions for you. Unlike you i have an open mind and look at all sources before I make a decision for myself.
Please tell me what bank will finance R16m worth of construction on a salary of R20000+- and allow the current house to be destroyed before being paid up. You my friend are the perfect anc sheep. Follow blindly without questioning!
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the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola321
"Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation"I wish it was possible to not personalise our politics but they are very much personal, cause what the politicians do affects us directly and personal, the other day, I was in the kasi at my mom's house, when a little girl of about 7-8yrs came in begging for food, my first thoughts were, if a child that young has no fear of coming into strangers house and beg for food, how desperate must a situation be in her home? and btw this kid when I asked where she stayed she was not even from the neighbourhood she lived about 1.5 to 2km away from my mothers house, now do you see how families have become so desperate, and this desperation has put our children at risk of being molested and even murdered given that in SA children are most at risk of violent crimes, now you tell me how can I not take it personal what the gov is doing against the citizens? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
truthhurt
somaartakeit
Cl!ck
Can't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
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LOL ooh wouldn't that be a treat for us ladies drooling over his gorgeous bod? I wld be more than willing to contribute to that fund, lol
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Do you want SA to go through a recession? Obama does not come cheap, he is educated. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
Cl!ck
Can't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
100% F*ool...Obama isn't the best president...he will rig* votes come next elections in Nov, corruption is everywhere but the local and international media tends to focus only in Africa >>> G*addafi funded S*arkozy for his bid to French presidency yet he was killed by Sarky Sarky aligned forces and he was depicted as the most dangerous dic*tactor of all time, Berlusconi shags teenage girls, Obama is pulling out all the stops to fund his re-election bid and he is a t**errorist himself, he sends troops everywher to torture other countries...America* & Euros are the bullies who bullies other countries, same as they do to us as they control our economy behind the curtains.. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Buc4life
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
"the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house"
and their biggest problem is to assume that rest of us have no say over who/how our country should be run, when majority high income and high tax payers are not in the anc if the report by Moeletsi Mbeki is anything to go by, Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
@somaartakeit - especially with education of black child, I guess that child does not stand a chance in life as long as SAD teachers union exist and can I conclude also chances of her going to fomer model-c school are NIL.
@Truthhurts we are already in recession, at least during this period we need smart guys like Obama to lead us, and his great bod will be a cherry on top:-) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
"100% F*ool" - Is where I stopped reading your toilet-paper crap.. Now, let me ask you something.. Are you married??
somaartakeit
@Buc4life
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
"the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house"
and their biggest problem is to assume that rest of us have no say over who/how our country should be run, when majority high income and high tax payers are not in the anc if the report by Moeletsi Mbeki is anything to go by,
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Yes.the majority of high income earners are not in the ANC. By this we mean high income through hard work, not corruption. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto
@somaartakeit - especially with education of black child, I guess that child does not stand a chance in life as long as SAD teachers union exist and can I conclude also chances of her going to fomer model-c school are NIL.
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this is the thing, cause that child represent at least 5mil SAn children who live in abject poverty, that is why this struggle to be economically emancipated is personal and urgent, Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
qili
.....get over yourself you i.iot and stop blaming everything and everyone for your predicament you lazy fool. This is a country of opportunity and if you EDUCATE yourself and are prepared to work hard you can emancipate yourself from your victim mindset!!!!
You like the people of Haiti who still blame colonialism 200 years after Independence!!!
Msola321
@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! THE MONEY THE anc WASTES EVERY SINGLE YEAR COULDVE BUILT ALL THE RDP HOUSES PROMISED AND BUILT ENOUGH SCHOOLS TO ACCOMODATE EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL CHILD. So what makes you think the anc will use ANY money from nationalised mines on the country? Because they said so? Why should you be given a mine or mineral rights? Because you are black? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
Anyway good citizens of my beloved country, have a wonderful week-end to yourselves make some nourishing meals for yourself and your children, so you can sustain yourselves and your beautiful families through and beyond this Winter, I am now off to start my week-end with my darling family:-) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Msola321
@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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Let me rephrase the question; how can the gap between rich & poor be narrowed? How can nationalisation be applied so that the poor benefit, considering that at the moment there are vast inequalities. How do u give mines to uneducated community. they are not going to know what to do with mines and farms? How do upskill ppl who dont know how to read or write(at least some of them dont) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
truthhurt
somaartakeit
@Truthhurts we are already in recession, at least during this period we need smart guys like Obama to lead us, and his great bod will be a cherry on top:-)
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Hai wena you just want eye candy at our expense, thats wrong.
Are you sure you are not a politician? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
@Cl!ck
Toilet-paper??? at least it might be interesting to read it while you shittin* around in the loo of your house...
for that question, NONE OF YOUR BIZ if i am or not...wena stop making Obama a saint when he's just a pretty boy to look at!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
BUDDYC
When last did this old gwede took a bath? Your sangoma is misleading you gwede. Winnie is not your daughter or a 3 year old you can tell what to do and say and with who. Tsek Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
cocolucho
@tasto
Have you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@somaartakeit
@Msola321
"Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation"I wish it was possible to not personalise our politics but they are very much personal, cause what the politicians do affects us directly and personal, the other day, I was in the kasi at my mom's house, when a little girl of about 7-8yrs came in begging for food, my first thoughts were, if a child that young has no fear of coming into strangers house and beg for food, how desperate must a situation be in her home? and btw this kid when I asked where she stayed she was not even from the neighbourhood she lived about 1.5 to 2km away from my mothers house, now do you see how families have become so desperate, and this desperation has put our children at risk of being molested and even murdered given that in SA children are most at risk of violent crimes, now you tell me how can I not take it personal what the gov is doing against the citizens?
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Yes we have to take government issues personal because they are already implemented but failing to deliver what they promised. But on Malema’s Ideas they are not yet implemented and they are open for discussion so instead of saying Malema want to benefit from mines lets come up with a productive ways on how the mines can be Nationalized so that everyone in South Africa can benefit. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
cocolucho
@tasto
Have you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves?
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I truly hope you are not a parent with a comment like that! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
@cocolucho
@tasto
Have you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves?
Not sure what abt your question, but someone related a sad story abt child in dire straits while politicians think life goes on while thing are getting tighter jobs&opportunities becoming few! Children'e eductaion is not a choice but a right and every sane person knows that education is the key to life not ancyl membership\leadership !! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
I am sick and tired of Gwede hiporcricy, when they fired he was on on record saying that it does mean that Malema cannot come to his funeral and associate with them(ANC) in the future and Malema is entlitled to do 67 minutes like any SA citizen. therefore it was not ANC day "it was Mandela day".
There was an outcry by the nation regarding Limpopo text book saga, Did SA hear Gwede or ANC NEC buck? No. South African are not stupid. 2014 shall set us free.
I said "Toilet-paper" and not "News-paper" Barack.. In lamens terms, what you wrote can be very usefull to flush down.. An environmentally friendly advise.. So you are married??
Did you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them? Report Abuse
@Buc4life
Msola321
@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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Let me rephrase the question; how can the gap between rich & poor be narrowed? How can nationalisation be applied so that the poor benefit, considering that at the moment there are vast inequalities. How do u give mines to uneducated community. they are not going to know what to do with mines and farms? How do upskill ppl who dont know how to read or write(at least some of them dont)
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This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not.. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
weneedeconomicfreedom
Malema said nothing about Limpopo text book saga. I remember he stood up whe TUT was in chrisis at some point but at the end he had to appologise for saying "fake accent". Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
somaartakeit
AS ASTUTE AND BRILLIANT AS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! You ever decide to run for office let me know cos I will be your first member! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
truthhurt
People should stop hating on Mam Winnie Mandela,We all know that Tata Nelson Mandela is who he is today because of that woman and she deserves some respect.
Her bedroom drama is none of anyones business. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
Be sure you close your mouth properly then.. Don't want your gruesome saliva deposits stuck on your bosses keyboard he so hardly invested in.. Ok??
@tasto
The only reason why I question whether our kids value education is because of how they approach it.
I dont think that sa kids take education seriously and i'm wondering if that has to do with the fact that education is a right, that they feel entitled to but dont exercise the responsibility that comes along with it.
In other words when good education is a scarce resource, people value it more. I was thinking about becoming a teacher, I've wanted to be one for years, but observing how teachers are treated by sa kids and society in general I was discouraged and at the moment i'm considering teaching in other african countries for a pittance only because education is valued by parents and children Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola321 how can you even suggest that we continue to discuss? we spent already 18yrs discussing and negotiating, there's nothing further to discuss, what we need is regime change now! if we are to realise our dream of a better life for all, and when we have a new regime we must not make same mistake we did with anc, we must not take a back seat and let politicians make decisions for us, we must be at the driving seat and chuck out any politician who carries over to the new regime corruption tendencies,
@Tikoloshe lol sorry you feel I am defending Winnie, but I feel that bad as she maybe, she has some of the good features, for starters were it not for Winnie's efforts anc wld have been obsolete but like a woman she is/was she kept the fires burning, she inspired many to never give up on struggle for liberation, she gave us hope back then, cause for someone who had lost that much not only in material but of her dignity but she continued fighting yoo in that woman, in Xhosa we say, kwaguga inja ebiluma, Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Kalahari
VIVA ANC, VIVA SACP, VIVA COSATU
COMRADE JACOB ZUMA FOR PRESIDENT (SECOND TERM)
Comrade Winnie is continously showing signs of being confused. Her what she is doing will tarnish even the little bit of her known good credentials. No wonder why tata Madiba parted ways with her...
The expelled rhetoric and unruly Juju will be more confused because he thinks Mangaung will save him. Instead Mangaung will put the final nail on his coffin and his political future will totally diminish.
@somaartakeit
@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them?
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I 100% Agree with you Anc has failed us a lot, By voting out them out of gov is not a right solution for now let them continue with what they started, give ANC new shoes by electing honest and energetic leaders. Bringing in a new party it will take us back ward Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mgaraji
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
I am sick and tired of Gwede hiporcricy, when they fired he was on on record saying that it does mean that Malema cannot come to his funeral and associate with them(ANC) in the future and Malema is entlitled to do 67 minutes like any SA citizen. therefore it was not ANC day "it was Mandela day".
There was an outcry by the nation regarding Limpopo text book saga, Did SA hear Gwede or ANC NEC buck? No. South African are not stupid. 2014 shall set us free.
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Jeff Hadebe remarked on Limpompo books.Referring to as national shame. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@DBNDAGuy thanks for the vote of confidence, but I ONLY am a visitor in politics am in private business politics is something I do as a social responsibility but I am confident that there are many more astute young ppl with education who will help us steer the ship to the right direction, in Mazibuko we trust:-)
Msola321
This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not..
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Like the anc did with SABC, DENEL, ESKOM, SAA, SPOORNET etc etc! All these state owned entities are in financial and administrative turmoil and needed public fund bail outs. What makes you so sure the same wont happen to the mines? Think my friend you are allowed to! The anc is greedy and corrupt and will NEVER filter down funds to the poor or needy. This they have shown for the past 18 years with their failure to provide adequate housing, employment, safety, services and by destroying our education and health care service. My friend you are living in a dream world if you think the anc is ever going to change or give a dam about the plight of the poor. If they did they wouldnt even consider a R2BILLION jet for Zoom Zoom. Report Abuse
Are we on Economic emancipation again? Fallacy of a dieing political party. Counting on the government to "free" you is never going to happen. Catch a wake up! Do it for yourself rather. People waiting for the big economic freedom in "our time" wont happen, can't happen and how on earth it will be facilitated is beyond me. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
Be sure you close your mouth properly then.. Don't want your gruesome saliva deposits stuck on your bosses keyboard he so hardly invested in.. Ok??
Hahahahahha..better ask before you comment, i'm one of the partners at one of the most prestigious intellectual property and corporate law firm in Sandton...I'm also the BOSS!!!, you are narrow minded!!! i won't argue with you because i don't think you've reached my standards...go and talk crap with your fellows Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
DA-DBN-GUY
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
Did you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books?
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my point exactly, why focusing on issue that are not of important to the masses(Malema included)
because the current leadership or the new leadership needs a moral compass we are deprived these principles from the current leadership. We really need courageous leadership who will walk their talk without fear or favour… we are thirsty of such leadership. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola again couldn't resist, no we must elect ppl who are without a baggage, most anc leaders now running or aspiring to be president of the country are tainted, Msola you must please understand that a leader who has a baggage can not give us his/her everything, cause he is always going to be afraid of skeletons falling out of his closet, we must not settle for less that what we deserve if the anc can't provide untainted leaders then they don't deserve to continue taking us into obscurity, its almost 2 decades since they took over power, they did more harm than good with their corruption escapades, the mess they have put us in is going to need our everything, and sometimes having to work selflessly, to build unity cause we need to pull all our human resources together, the anc has proven beyond reasonable that they haven't got a leader who can achieve this for us, cause as I remember Zuma was sold to us as a unifier, he can't even keep it together in his province, never-mind the country, main issue for me his indecisiveness is what is destroying any efforts, his indecision on the WC gang violence is another issue, how can he waltz off to china whilst we need urgent solution to quel violence which is destroying families/lives? what is priority for this person? zuma is not fit to be our president. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
@Cl!ck and Bra007 are you sure you 2 don't need a room? just askin :-) Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Msola321
@somaartakeit
@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them?
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I 100% Agree with you Anc has failed us a lot, By voting out them out of gov is not a right solution for now let them continue with what they started, give ANC new shoes by electing honest and energetic leaders. Bringing in a new party it will take us back ward
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Who is not corrupt in the ANC? they must be voted out completely. The ANC is not run by an individual. So, even if its leader were to be honest, you have a whole bunch of incompetent, corrupt premiers, mayors, councillors at lower levels, who think that the country owes them because they fought the apartheid struggle. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Im the King of Sheba! I'm a full R1 and 1! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
DA-DBN-GUY
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
Did you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books?
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my point exactly, why focusing on issue that are not of important to the masses(Malema included)
because the current leadership or the new leadership needs a moral compass we are deprived these principles from the current leadership. We really need courageous leadership who will walk their talk without fear or favour… we are thirsty of such leadership.
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And currently and in the foreseeable future the anc hasnt such people in their organisation! The anc have had their turn and screwed it up royaly and totally. I dont see how the masses can still be supportive of a party that has failed them year in and year out. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
FarCeSpotter
The ANC is becoming the best soapie in South Africa.
I think it is time to get rid of them. !! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Love it when corrupt politicians hide behind the "Innocent until guilty" stance.
Even though, R30 billion dissapears out of the tax coffers every year, they are all 'innocent until proven guilty' :P Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ somaartakeit
Actually, I think @Bra007 needs a double-garage to "park" his brain a bit..
@DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not..
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Like the anc did with SABC, DENEL, ESKOM, SAA, SPOORNET etc etc! All these state owned entities are in financial and administrative turmoil and needed public fund bail outs. What makes you so sure the same wont happen to the mines? Think my friend you are allowed to! The anc is greedy and corrupt and will NEVER filter down funds to the poor or needy. This they have shown for the past 18 years with their failure to provide adequate housing, employment, safety, services and by destroying our education and health care service. My friend you are living in a dream world if you think the anc is ever going to change or give a dam about the plight of the poor. If they did they wouldnt even consider a R2BILLION jet for Zoom Zoom.
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I know ANC has failed us but they’re getting there, Im happy that nowdays our government is transparent in old days were not aware any corrupt activities which I was happening on Government. The devil “Corruption” has being in government since as long as a person is still running any instution the corruption will be still there. We so lucky because we have a great constution in the world if one commit crime one have to prosecuted. We have Public protector in place its her job to deal with such kind of people. I think the best the way lets all share let the mines benefit people not a certain individuals Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
@ Bra007
And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
Hehehe...if you could see how i look, the cars i'm driving, the property that i own...#don't mean to brag#
Don't worry i'll hire someone who knows the jobs...clearly you not getting clients no wonder you are commenting on news websites, mind you mina i'm taking a breaking from the research that i'm working on then off to a meeting @ 12 that is why ngila...#life-of-a-27-year-old# Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change?
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ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation, What need to be done is to elect new honest, energetic and performance based leaders. We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
There is no ope for you my friend. So I suggest you stop complaining in future of how you dont have anything because you are empowering the anc to keep economic freedom from you. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started."
OF COURSE we can. Rocket science wasnt required when the WCape switched from ANC to DA. Nor was rocket science required when the NP switched to ANC.
The only way to keep our democracy healthy, is by regularly switching between parties. First we need a two party democracy, and then we need a multi party democracy.
This ANC monopoly on our politics is unhealthy for South Africa. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation"
You sound like an American, where according to their laws, Corporations are people, and are allowed the same freedoms and rights as people :P Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Even Motlanthe has some corruption dirt on his shoulders. Lucky for him, it was exposed, he repaid the money as a 'loan', to prevent any fallout. The landbank is merely a piggy bank for the top dawgs you see. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola, you anc supporters really need to stop comparing anc with apartheid, cause majority of blacks whose poverty status has since escalated post 1994 voted for a 'better life' promised by the anc, not by the Nat regimeo please be mindful of always quoting the Nat regime, and if their records have to be compared the anc still fails, how they fail compared to the Nat regime, at least the Nat regime provided security/jobs/education/basic health care for its constituent, in return these ppl were able to keep the country afloat with their taxes, now we have more unemployed depending on gov grants provided for over squeezed tax payers, what have SAn tax payers done to deserve this? I can understand that unemployed are provided for by shrinking tax base, but what I can't understand is that the very same shrinking tax base not only have fund luxurious lives of gov ministers, we also have to pay double on stuff which the gov is supposed to provide using our tax, such as school now private schooling if your children are to have better prospects is a necessity, private health, private transport you name it, so I put it to you, WTH are we paying these over inflated cheques and perks to gov ministers? IF you want to settle for less best cause you don't have standards to which you should hold your leaders against, then it is a problem for you, but the rest of us, owe it to ourselves and this country to elect competent leaders who know what htey are doing and or talking about and most importantly leaders who are not corrupt and less expensive than the current lot. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
Sounds to me like you're either inferior to the "life" you wish to have or just a lonely embicle who's soically deprived hence these unnecessary rants about what or whatever crap you drive or own.. As if you were asked..
But hey.. #That's the life of sitting behind a PC with character-like avators portraying you#
@Msola321
I know ANC has failed us but they’re getting there,
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huh??? They are getting worse!
Im happy that nowdays our government is transparent in old days were not aware any corrupt activities which I was happening on Government. The devil “Corruption” has being in government since as long as a person is still running any instution the corruption will be still there.
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That may be true, but the things were still run effectively- there was never such scandals in the old governement like textbooks and R20b road tolling etc.
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started."
OF COURSE we can. Rocket science wasnt required when the WCape switched from ANC to DA. Nor was rocket science required when the NP switched to ANC.
The only way to keep our democracy healthy, is by regularly switching between parties. First we need a two party democracy, and then we need a multi party democracy.
This ANC monopoly on our politics is unhealthy for South Africa.
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There is nothing which have changed in western cape, black ppl are still not getting services in township like Gugulethe Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Secretary
Bloggers (Nkandla nation) please stop to blog in Zulu.We understand that Mr Zuma is trying hard to convert RSA into Zulu land,but we cannot some of us read zulu very well. You are allowed to blogg in Zulu in Nkandla,why you donot chek its news paper. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change?
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ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation, What need to be done is to elect new honest, energetic and performance based leaders. We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started.
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Once again you fail to grasp the idea i was trying in vain to portray. Good luck to you and your future under the new oppressors. And you shouldnt copy and paste on the same blog as it tends to make you look stup!d Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
and Msola I think its disingenuous for you to say the previous gov was not transparent and all that you charge them with, considering that most black SAns lived in homelands and we voted those leaders in the homelands, some of whom were better delivering the good than the anc eg in former Ciskei, and from what I heard Bop, and in the homelands then existed some of the best run gov schools and clinics, now what is anc's excuse to not deliver given that they have a humongous budget than homeland chiefs?: Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
GrRRRpha
Leave JUJU and Winnie alone. Jackie Selebi released on parole. Viva Zuma corruption Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@FarCeSpotter
That may be true, but the things were still run effectively- there was never such scandals in the old governement like textbooks and R20b road tolling etc.
You are biased and blind!!
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That time Media was not having freedom as much has they have today, remember we're getting all this information from the media.
Why are you saying m bias and blind coz Im not taking sites in here but only speaking the truth Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Msola321
@somaartakeit
and Msola I think its disingenuous for you to say the previous gov was not transparent and all that you charge them with, considering that most black SAns lived in homelands and we voted those leaders in the homelands, some of whom were better delivering the good than the anc eg in former Ciskei, and from what I heard Bop, and in the homelands then existed some of the best run gov schools and clinics, now what is anc's excuse to not deliver given that they have a humongous budget than homeland chiefs?:
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Do you have any ideas who was doing business with Govermnet that time only minority benefited Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mgaraji
If what is written in the book Capitalist Nigger is true then the whole black society needs to do a soul searching stop the blame game. Yes the illiterate and the poor are a burden and we can go on throwing stones and damning them as we are not part of them. Issues raised in book Capitalists Nigger begs the question what have educated black people done for their black society. Educated people's contribution is limited to good speeches, good piece of writings and articulate comments that are never tested in practise. Educated people should be the pilar of strength for the poor and the illiterate but educated people have failed to gain trust of the illiterate and the poor. Looking at the black society as a whole, even if all Africans were to be educated little if not none will change. Weaknesses highlighted on that book are directed at the educated black africans but for the fear of facing our weaknesses we turn a deaf ear and blind eyes for the easy targets illiterate and the poor.
An easy route for Africans to qualify as pseudo academia or Intelligentsia is simple lash at the illiterate and poor. What have educated Africans done for Africa beyond their individual achievement? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MicaParis
Bra007
@ Bra007
And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
Hehehe...if you could see how i look, the cars i'm driving, the property that i own...#don't mean to brag#
Don't worry i'll hire someone who knows the jobs...clearly you not getting clients no wonder you are commenting on news websites, mind you mina i'm taking a breaking from the research that i'm working on then off to a meeting @ 12 that is why ngila...#life-of-a-27-year-old#
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Is this not a Comrade who once sevierly insulted Comrade Mamphele Ramphele, he used to brag about cars a lot as well, he re-surfaced again with a different name but still with 007, I think his previous blog name was 7000000, so now this ''clever'' chap is back by foolish demand! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
@Cl!ck
I went to Thomas Moore College in Kloof, Durban... then to UCT for my B Bus Sc LLB undergrad, certificate in intellectual property @ Wits and cerficate in Corporate Law @ UKZN...I won't prove anything to you, we're not friends and why would i lie??? (awkward)...believe what you want to believe, am not bothered anyway.
@Secretary, we are not ashamed to use our languages, and please don't associate Z*ulus with N*kandla...you're just a pathet*ic tribalist, we won't entertain you..Sizokhuluma NOMA unngathini! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Bra007
@MicaParis
What??? sorry dear...I'm Bra007 from Durban but leaving in Johannesburg Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Bra007
Good for your ancestors.. Now go make us 340 sandwiches.. We're busy here!!
I am now almost half my life into post apartheid South Africa. I was a child at the height of the apartheid regime, so perhaps my memory has faded, but I cannot recall anything of the abuse of tax money ever happened in the pre -ANC era.
So I doubt that you can make a statement claiming that it was as bad or worse then. Hence you are either biased and or blind to the truth. ANC is corrupt and is not delivering to the voters what they should. That that after 18 years. And it is getting worse by the day. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "There is nothing which have changed in western cape, black ppl are still not getting services in township like Gugulethu"
The people are better off under WCape DA, then what they were under WCape ANC. In fact, they are better off than most other townships in the rest of ANC provinces.
We could use the toilet saga as an example. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
1937
Orlando Pirates is the seatbelt in your cars. Without it you're doomed! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
@Mgaraji - I beg to differ with you & hope you didn't deduced a conclusion that is incorrect from the book.My take from that book is to disrespect patent laws and steal whatever you call other peole's ideas or inventions!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Oska
So what is the promblem if she considers Juju as her grandson? Gwede please leave Madikizela - Mandela alone, the apartheid abused her enough, don't you think so Mr Secretary-general ???? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Msola321 even now ONLY anc cadres and their families are benefiting from the current regime, so what is your point exactly? and even if minorities benefited at least they put that tax to good use, take a look at Gov hospitals namely Baragwanath, did you know that SA airports are the best in Africa, guess who built that infrastructure for the anc to inherit and run it aground like they do with everything else? SA's national roads used to be ranked amongst the best in the world, most apartheid RDP houses are still standing proud and housing generations after generations whilst anc RDP houses are falling to pieces, I said don't make comparisons cause you will immediately embarrass anc, and cause many now will appear to be defending apartheid regime( which is not the case), just swallow your pride and cut your loses and admit that ANC IS A GIGANTIC FAILURE cause your denialism and hope that they will result in you and many others like you living as mere peasants in this country, and prolonging your own suffering, cause you want to settle for less than you deserve.
Caution: in the future please try not compare anc to the nat regime, cause that can only serve to highlight anc's gigantic pitfall.
Ooh on another perspective, look at all African countries who gained independence 30yrs+ ago also who were lead by liberation movements like anc, all of them have turned into a pile of dust their leaders receive basic health care in foreign countries,
Do you know the other day, we were having a discussion, and this of lack of infrastructure in Africa particularly the horn of Africa came into, a guy from that area, he is a gov min in Eritrea said, 'wh!tes left too early in Eritrea' otherwise if they stayed longer as they did in SA, Eritrea wld have same infrastructure as SA has today, it was at that moment I realised the uselessness of the leaders in Africa, and in case you didn't know Eritrea generates most refugees in Africa, most them are scattered in unmarked graves in the Sahara Desert, as htey try to flee Eritrea into Israel for a better life, hence I said the other day, the AU is one of the most shockingly useless organisations in the world. Ooh you might want to know that Eritrea, Ethiopia (AU HQ) Somalia the populace there are on a permanent drip of handouts from the UN, soon China will be the feeders. I feel so so ashamed that African with all her potential and resources has been reduced to just being mere beggers on the global stage, only because citizens in this continent fail to elect competent leaders who will work in the interests of their countries, but are self serving to the detriment of their subjects. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
Ppl he is some excerpt from the book "W.hite tribe of Africa" - the NATS had a plan for their particular group unlike the current Ruining Party that is more concern abt elections\vote buying (t-shirts, food parcels) :
"The critique of dependency
The Commission is convinced that much of the assistance is given in
such a way as to have a demoralizing effect on poor whites and so
increases the difficulty of their rehabilitation. It causes loss of
independence and may imbue them with a sense of inferiority, impairs
their industry, weakens their sense of personal responsibility, and helps
to make them dishonest.
‘the worst signs of spineless dependence’
were manifest among the rural poor with respect to ‘free’ education (Malherbe,
1932: 259). Education was the chief means of challenging dependency, but free
education bred dependency. Malherbe therefore recommended that serious
consideration be given to requiring parents to contribute to the costs of their
children’s schooling. He also wrote of the ‘spineless dependence on charity’
that resulted from temporary employment schemes" Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
speaking of African leaders receiving basic health care abroad, Mugabe gets his cancer treatment from Singapore I believe, as we speak Eritrean gov minister is being treated for an undisclosed illness in Belgium prolly from some living large associated disease, can you imagine how desperate things must be for the ordinary citizens in those countries? I heard from an Eritrean student I sponsor that in Eritrea you will be very lucky to get stuff like canestern which normally one can get over the counter, from the pharmacists? the doctors in Eritrea don't even blood tests equipment to effectively diagnose patients, I also understand that vets also consult human patients as there is a severe lack of doctors, and a child born in the horn Africa has even less chance of living till his/her first birthday, that is how those former liberators have f@cked medical infrastructure in that country, oh regarding bread, yes the one that here in SA you take for granted, in Eritrea you can't chose you have to take what's rationed to you by the gov, ooh their gov follows communist ideas I was told. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Selebi is out of medical parole :P The dude who sold out our police force and justice to a bunch of Russian thugs, is a free man. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto lets put it this way the anc leaders in fact all liberation movement leaders have no long term goals they don't understand investment, they only live for now, if they understood investment, they would ensure good quality and affordable education for everyone, they would ensure basic health care for everyone, cause human resources is the major resource every country worth its salt will do all in its power to develop.
Did you know in some African countries girl children are not allowed to have education? In other words in these countries, they operate on only 50% of their human resources capacity, how can we believe that this continent will ever be great as it should be whilst being lead by primitive and backward chauvinists? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
somaartakeit
speaking of African leaders receiving basic health care abroad, Mugabe gets his cancer treatment from Singapore I believe, as we speak Eritrean gov minister is being treated for an undisclosed illness in Belgium prolly from some living large associated disease, can you imagine how desperate things must be for the ordinary citizens in those countries? I heard from an Eritrean student I sponsor that in Eritrea you will be very lucky to get stuff like canestern which normally one can get over the counter, from the pharmacists? the doctors in Eritrea don't even blood tests equipment to effectively diagnose patients, I also understand that vets also consult human patients as there is a severe lack of doctors, and a child born in the horn Africa has even less chance of living till his/her first birthday, that is how those former liberators have f@cked medical infrastructure in that country, oh regarding bread, yes the one that here in SA you take for granted, in Eritrea you can't chose you have to take what's rationed to you by the gov, ooh their gov follows communist ideas I was told.
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African leaders waste resources then they want to blame everyone for that. SA will go the same route if we continue to vote the ANC to power. The Mugabes leave their poor countries then they go get treatment elsewhere, meanwhile they are the ones responsible for the poor infrastructure.
Africa, compared to the West, is far behind, not that we do not have resources, because the leaders do not have interests of the people at heart. Report Abuse
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Selebi is out of medical parole :P The dude who sold out our police force and justice to a bunch of Russian thugs, is a free man.
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You have to give it to the anc regime, they are at least consistent in being blatantly embarrassing and encouraging corruption which is scores millions in this country to be destitute, btw I am not surprised by the release of selepe as since when, any leader of anc ever really spent time in jail for corruption crimes and other crimes? anc is a personification of corruption, the sooner we all come to terms with this fact the sooner will get our @rses into gear and boot them out of office. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Our president is a chauvinist. And I just love how the 'culture' defense pops up every time to defend him. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Msola321
where are you? Have you run out of words to defend your leaders? Surely, if u believe in them that much, you cannot run away now? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Cl!ck
@ Buc4life
Hi..
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
@somaartakeit - You have to give it to the anc regime, they are at least consistent in being blatantly
Ha ha ha ha ha h no go home u said you were leavin already!!
somaartakeit - Hey, my arse is in gear. Just waiting for the rest of the country to WakeUp :P
Its funny though, how all the clerks and low managers get arrested for corruption. While the top dawgs evade justice (Zuma/Ace etc), and even the guilty ones evade justice (medical parole). Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tasto
Pll I onced listened to TimModise interviewing some1 on MetroFM - they drew parrallel comparison between Austrilian aborigines&Afrikaaners in depressing 1930s.One hit the bottle and the other chose education(Afriakaans schools,Universities,Technikons, etc - Afrikaans satelite in Orbit).Even the current regime want to claim the Afrikaner achievement as SAn!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Buc4life
somaartakeit
"African leaders waste resources then they want to blame everyone for that. SA will go the same route if we continue to vote the ANC to power" it is on that path already, did you not read reports about cancer patients? do you not see stats about high infant mortality rate? Do you not see how many young SA's are dying of mostly treatable diseases? Have you not noticed sex crime which has escalated, does it not make you think of Congo?
"The Mugabes leave their poor countries then they go get treatment elsewhere, meanwhile they are the ones responsible for the poor infrastructure" I heard that one of them Mugabe fat cats has forked out 185mil to buy property in SA, these African thieving leaders are so confident in their thieving ways they don't believe anything could happen to them, hence zuma and his 64mil spending spree in Inkandla and now this minister, and then there was Tokyo's spending spree b@ying an island in some African country forgotten what country it was, and all this opulence is happening whilst millions live in abject poverty and some die in capsized boats or murdered by human organs traffickers as they try to escape poverty in Africa, it is really a very very frustrating and humiliating situation that we have barbarians like these as leaders who don't care about our well being. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
okay now if I don't get home in the next 30mins my family will disown me, lol so I must now dash, Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
FarCeSpotter
WakeUpSouthAfrica
While the top dawgs evade justice (Zuma/Ace etc),
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Have you heard that the NPA is in contempt of court for not being able to deliver all the documents that was used to withdraw the charges against Zuma.
I do not think that the average voter out there understands how rotten the ANC really is. Sad!
Hi..
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go!
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OMG.. You'd rather opt for a loser like clicks? What a waste girl. So disappointed and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels like this! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
FarCeSpotter - "Have you heard that the NPA is in contempt of court for not being able to deliver all the documents that was used to withdraw the charges against Zuma."
Id be surprised if those documents even exist :P Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Buc4life
Sleezy
Buc4life
Cl!ck
@ Buc4life
Hi..
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go!
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OMG.. You'd rather opt for a loser like clicks? What a waste girl. So disappointed and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels like this!
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Me & Click come from far together. sorry. Report Abuse
Can't wait.. Next week, your gravy-train ride ends.. Dead in it's tracks!!.. *Ok, not here now* :)
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Gravy train ride is this government you voted in. Not us. But, anyway, will see. Remember we have bragging rights till you are double triple champions. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
RobinH
Man, the old lady is senile and loves the idea of a hunk of male flesh on her arm. Pathetic old has been crone. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Cl!ck
@ Sleezy
........... Let me rather not waste unnecessary energies.......... *Head hung down*
@Mgaraji
If what is written in the book Capitalist Nigger is true then the whole black society needs to do a soul searching stop the blame game. Yes the illiterate and the poor are a burden and we can go on throwing stones and damning them as we are not part of them. Issues raised in book Capitalists Nigger begs the question what have educated black people done for their black society. Educated people's contribution is limited to good speeches, good piece of writings and articulate comments that are never tested in practise. Educated people should be the pilar of strength for the poor and the illiterate but educated people have failed to gain trust of the illiterate and the poor. Looking at the black society as a whole, even if all Africans were to be educated little if not none will change. Weaknesses highlighted on that book are directed at the educated black africans but for the fear of facing our weaknesses we turn a deaf ear and blind eyes for the easy targets illiterate and the poor.
An easy route for Africans to qualify as pseudo academia or Intelligentsia is simple lash at the illiterate and poor. What have educated Africans done for Africa beyond their individual achievement?
The problem is not abt Educated black its about not doing enuf on crime but turning a blind eye to corruption unlike in India,China,Asia,SouthAmericas where you even face death penatly for corruption.But in Africa corruption is an INDUSTRY on its own - leaders rich than the state Idi Amin, Sani Abacha, Gaddafi,Mobutu Seseko,Mugabe,JZ,Jean-.etc ran out of space to list them ALL . Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Madyeke
Please, People don't behave as if the ANC was formed by Julius Malema. Because always People think dat if one trangresses or goes out of the ANC constitution the ANC leadership must just keep quiet because there is Mangaung in December. Malema is a factory faults and he is a liability in the ANC. Please People, those of you whom you have appointed yourself @ be Malema Ill-disceplined spokesperson just forget it. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
McLoving
Hey guys ,nice to wake up to such excellent comments.Very good and great comments and debate.Oh I love it..I am enjoying reading ..keep up the good job...you rock. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
somaartakeit
.....hey bloggers, now that Somaartakeit has logged off I think she's got a crush on JZ.....but she's just trying to play hard to get.
...the time will come when she'll throw many compliments in his direction!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Tikoloshe
somaartakeit
"Tikoloshe lol sorry you feel I am defending Winnie, but I feel that bad as she maybe, she has some of the good features...."
.....ok, so you love our kids or you love those that murder them??? Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Kgaitsedi-ya-Genaro
Winnie o rata bashanyana, mo tloheleng. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MicaParis
@RobinH
Man, the old lady is senile and loves the idea of a hunk of male flesh on her arm. Pathetic old has been crone.
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Your knowledge of English usage is very powerful Comrade, you really can articulate yourself in the queens language as they call it!! That comment is meticulous and magnificent in content and value! Report Abuse
Now I understand why former President Thabo slap Winni with a hot clap, she is ill-discipline. Another thing, Winnie think she is above the ANC. Gwede must call Winnie and tell her that she is not the ANC but the member. That you were married to Tata and got divorced does not suggest that you are ANC because even Tata is not the ANC but a member who contributed like any other member. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Mbongo - Some members in the ANC are more equal than other members. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Droooooza
What is she teaching malema? that u can overturn the decision taken by the NEC and violate the ANC's constition.. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
RobinH
Mica. WHy thankyou. One tries. Nothing better than a well articulated put-down. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Sleezy
I really don't understand why well respected girls are fond of this clicks character? I fail to understand whether he has children or married in real-life? How could someone, during a normal day log onto a public platform and start uttering irrelevant comments about people he has no clue about?
I'm taking this serious matter to authorities of Sowetan and webteam to permanently remove this clicks and others who aspire to be like him. To hell with so-called bullies, whereas us decent people try to engage on decent conversations. Screw this! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
RobinH
Sleezy. He is removed frequently and just resurfaces under a different alias. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Patsekg
So it is fine to commit fraud as long as you don't benefit from it, what a country we have. I never thought a judge who understands the law better can come up with that kind of judgement. That's why i now understand why judges should be scrutinised too. Some of the decisions they take leave us with lots of questions. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Sleezy
@RobinH
Sleezy. He is removed frequently and just resurfaces under a different alias.
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Then seriously, the Sowetan webteam enjoy these "bile" comments and others of his such. I thought the whole point of blogging was for knowledge sharing and learning. Ok, let me see how far I can go with this matter, and see what will be done thereafter. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
shaharazad
Its a democracy (so to speak), anyone has a right to freedom of association Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MSG_S
Zuma against Winnie. What an interesting brawl this can be. I wish it could come to reality.
DAMN! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
mantashe
according to ur statement : it means JUJU is not allowed to 2b in a ceromony/funeral/party of any National Exceutive Commuty : bull SH!T
i would luv to teach uhow to shave with *cold* water : le matlo a nkakane Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MSG_S
Eish!
But nowadays this mama has became old and tooth decayed to put a fight with Zuma. If it was 10 years ago, ja!. She would have put up a non stop fight with Zuma until he collapsed of exhaution. Report Abuse
BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU come on lets sing along Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
MommaC
Sleezy
Its a bit amusing to have someone who calls themselves 'sleezy' to be objecting to sleaze :)
He'll just re-register under a different name. I think the webmaster has given up on trying to get rid of him (and some others). Most of the time, Click is simply amusing but sometimes he does go a bit overboard Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
mankata
this was not for anc but for mandela,ditedu please anc ase gago o le one le rena ke ya rena,tlogela bo tlaela mokgalabje mantashe Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Mabetha
The Secretary General did not say Winnie musnt associate with the scum called Juju, they meet and do what ever they want freely, people must stop being emotional and missing the point. The issue is Winnie musn't bring Julius Malema into the ANC or discuss him in the ANC environment for he's not a member of the ANC he is an issue that was long dealt with. Why try and bring disrepute into the party with the scum that was long disowned. Stop having personal attacks on Mantashe and understand the rules of the party. Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Wordoftruth
The ANC should quit acting so desperate. One would advise it to concentrate its efforts and energies on that which it has promised its voters in its manifesto.
Hands off to Mother of the Nation, Hands off! Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
moralett
Mother of the nation stand up confront all cards tell them that you are sorry, that's all. You know very well that Julius was expell from the organisation three month ago. So this is very simple say sorry to all cards Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
Makhalisto
Umjolo, mama yeka umfana usencane, get your size/age Report Abuse
Jul 20, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mabetha pliz get it, Malema was at the Mandela NOT anc charity event as was millions other ppl around the world, and wrt Winnie Mantashe potential row, that goatee Mantashe better make sure he has his facts rights, cause Winnie is a formidable opponent and she plays to win and Mantashe better realise that the anc is NOTHING without the Mandela name, so all of them better kiss Winnie's feet and be nice boys.
@Makhalisto, supposing and as you suggest Winnie was dating Malema, will she be hte first elder to date young person? As I remember correctly, Zuma bonked not once but twice daughters of his friends, and you ppl called him Skhoko, so please calm down with your anc chauvinistic tendencies cause they are so yester year!!! Report Abuse
Jul 21, 2012
NNETEKEYONA
It is not a crime to be next to Malema. . . . Viva Mother of The Nation!! Report Abuse
Jul 21, 2012
choice
Eish if memory serves me well! Tata in his youth days was just like Juju, the older leaders are forgetting that u cannot make leaders in ur own light and corruption, they need to find themselves and they own skeletons, when they were fighting for the ANC did everyone agree with them? or did they find the will to fight regardless of personal outcome, there is a wind of change blowing and if the ANC elders are not watchful, they will get blown to the side, u want leaders that u can control for ur own gain! hayi never that! Stussbob Report Abuse
Jul 21, 2012
PeterJames
Well What a surprise by Winnie Madikizela - remember she is no longer a Mandela. She has continued to use the Mandela surname for fame and politicking. Yet she complains about the ANC- how hypocritical. Now she is GOOD FRIENDS with Malema, oh no Malema is her Son or Grandson. May be Maleam is Winnie's son conceived with that lawyer of her, when she was unfaithful to Madiba while Madiba was is Jail. People do not forget about the very bad things that Winnie Madikizela did and was sentenced for about everything MURDER and CORRUPTION. No wonder she is now the birds of the same feather with Malema.
Malema is an angry spoilt and corrupt boy who realised that he is not always going to get his way. So what does he do when the ANC, which by the way has disciplinary channels punishes he for crossing the line? He is attacking the President who was voted for by the people of Mzansi. People are not fools like this uneducated little brat who is corrupt and realises that now he is no longer enjoying the pecks of being in the ANCYL. It is good that the President has shown maturity and has not been moved by the insults painful as they are. I think the insults from Malema are worse than the Spear Picture. The President Should be respected and at least he is not a dictator like Gaddafi, and the Syrian President.
Winnie Madikizela should show that she is a mature old lady and MUST learn from Graca. Madikizela is arrogant. I am surprise that she had the guts to open a Child Centre considering the children that she murdered during the 1980s-1990s e.g. Stompie Moeketsie. This was when Malema was still in his nappies.
Tasto the word NIGGER is offensive and derogatory and racists. It MUST never be used and it does not matter whether it is said by a black person or not. Report Abuse
Jul 22, 2012
OXOLOSI
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.Manje u Gwede udliwa yini ? Report Abuse
Jul 22, 2012
Izuz
Where was Mantahse when winie was risking her life for the disadvabtaged over so many years in southAfricans??????? DOES HE EVEN THING THAT WINIIE CARES what he says after Winnie's strugles in the the 1998's, 1990's... where does he get the "weight" to even mention her name in disrepute? seriously???... This is a joke... so many lousy wana beeee's have come up making irrelevant noise WHEN THEY HAVE NOT EARNED THEIR PLACE!!!! GWEDE MUST CALM DOWN or re- evaluate his self worth and the importance of his " bearings with th organisation" .. Gwede has not lost a thing over th eyears, not a parent or sibling to the struggle or has he even toiled with ordinary southafricans " at no stage" does he represent the plight of any youth or southAfricans... his position was secured by virtue of connections, exoedince and convenience... HE IS WORTH NOTHING!!! AND HE SHOULD KNOW THAT ! Report Abuse
Jul 22, 2012
Izuz
..........................appologies for the typo.......what was meant was........
Gwede's position was was secured by virtue of connections, expedincy and convenience... HE IS WORTH NOTHING!!! AND HE SHOULD KNOW THAT ......................DO NOT RAISE YOU UNWORTHY MOUTH TO ....PARENTS OF THIS NATION.....!!!!! EVER !! Report Abuse
Jul 22, 2012
somaartakeit
@PeterJames you are a hypocrite of note, the likes of you didn't complain when Malema with encouragement from both zuma and mantashe insulted former state president, Helen Zille and Arch Bishop Tutu, why? Now that he is doing exactly everything that he learnt from zuma himself to zuma and mantashe you wanna cry foul? me thinks Malema is zuma's just deserts, wena accept that karma is a biatch.
As for references to both political murders in your pathetic attempts at insulting Winnie, Winnie k!lled 2 how many did Inkatha with help of apartheid security forces k!l?, you might wanna ask Blade Nzimande former Inkatha guy.
As for your reference to Winnies and Dali Mpofu's affair, you should know that zuma does that a million times worse at least Winnie didn't claim to have taken a shower to rinse off hiv, whilst zuma risked lives of his wives and mistresses with his affair/rape of an hiv+ person, and stop being a hypocrite will you?
You are right about one thing though, ppl of SA are not fools we know that zuma was voted for by a bunch of morally bankrupts and imposed on the rest of hte nation as (a self serving) president.
You simply could never defend either zuma or mantashe they are the worse tainted anc leaders, Report Abuse
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vivla
Can sowetan please stop informing us about the ANC. It is very depressing because nothing changes, the backstabbing get worse, the lies are pathetic, logic and common sense is not applicable. Haai maan ba bora.Report Abuse
januswanus
Life goes on.Report Abuse
Senganga247
That was not an ANC gathering but well wishers for Madiba. Is there anything wrong with Winnie Madikizela-Mandela coming with someone she considers as her grandson? Does the ANC now choose who you associate with even outside ANC programs?Report Abuse
Chichi7
Thought people were free to choose who they supported. Were these two not building homes or something like that? Is that not something to be proud of ANC?Report Abuse
Memme
Gwede thinks they can control Winnie, or do they want the whole world to be against Malema?? Winnie is a grown woman who is entitled to do what she feels is right.Ke kgopela Gwede ayo hlapa a kute le ditedu tse mpe tse and stop being so angry at the world. Malema is threatening them so much which is why they don't want him to be associated with some ANC members - Wa gafa Morena Mantashe.
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MommaC
I still can't get over the photo in Mail and Guardian!Report Abuse
Mahungu
Its her choice, dont you think wena Gwede? Just leave this Magogo alone and shut up.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
A little honesty from Gwede Mantashe will help the situation.Mantashe's statement on Madikizela-Mandela is really dishonest and self-serving. More than anyone Madikizela-Mandela knows that Malema's disciplinary hearing was politically inspired and aimed at removable a formidable campaigner in ANC circles in the runup to Mangaung. Mantashe should know by now that he is unlikely to survive Mangaung. It is not ill-discipline of Madikizela-Mandela to take a public stand and expose the hypocrisy and double standards in the ANC. Mantashe talks about an NEC which has failed dismally to uphold the ANC Constitution, and act without fear or favour in applying discipline. The likes of Mantashe still insist with straight faces that Malema's censure was about discipline when he himself knows deep in his heart that it IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE. I trust more and more NEC members will come out publicly to expose the hypocrisy and double standards in the ANC.Report Abuse
Mdala
Well Mantashe why don't you bring charges against mama if she breaks ANC's constitution? why do you think Mandela divorced this old b!tch? and why she was slapped (chisa mpama style) by Mbeki during the June16 celebrations? Go figure yourself about this so overrated tw@t.Report Abuse
Mellow
Gwede are you gonna give winnie the pooh what julie@rse is giving her? This is one war I dont see ANC winning a woman going thru menopause playing voet voet with a Ben-10 is just a ticking bomb especially when that Ben-10 is chubby cheeks barney aka julie@rseReport Abuse
uMnuz
NO COMMENT!Report Abuse
Lephene
ZOOMER and MANTAŠE's dayzz are numbered.......they act like they own ANC.They pissssssses me offff.Who are they to dictate to people who they should support,megwete ya bona.Report Abuse
malemaforpresident
This shows how Mantashe hate Malema and his fear of the Young Lion Does that mean if you are a member of the ANC you are not eligible to your own freedom of expression? They know JUJU is serious threat to them come MangaungReport Abuse
keepchange
Indeed , very dangerous, and not only for the 0rganisation, but for the country (SA).She and those idiots must leave Tata and the Organization alone and form their own opposition party. She must also remember that NR Mandela is no longer her husband and must refrain from from minglling over his name. As for those 'rebels' their days are numbered and will soon reap what they sew. Time is almost up for them.Report Abuse
SharpSharp
Mantashe is intolerant of others...He is the one who need DC .He is dangerous to our organisation i dnt think we need this kind of mentality in our org.Report Abuse
Mudidi
Time alone ..oh time will tell ....Report Abuse
Flemza
What did I say in my blog yesterday about this , this old crocodile is now secking attention , nothing has been happening with her for a very very long time , and Winnie has now realised that , hence I said its a last kick of a dieing horse , no one any more see Winnie as there hero now , except an irritating old granny , who is suppose to be focusing on looking after her granny children like any other normal granny mother , of which Winnie is not.My advise to ANC NEC ,don`t get your self to that low , if someone is a moron , stop arguing with a moron , people will not notice the difference. Let Winnie hang herslf give her a rope to hang her political life, Winnie is finished fortunately Thambo Mbeki and her Ex-HUSBAND were wise to see that , hence Winnie is a devorcee.Report Abuse
S'khulu
It is very likely that ANC leadership are hellbent on playing the man than the ball. Is it Julius they are against or his utterances?Report Abuse
MGEEZ
I thought that ours was a democracy and not a dictatorship!!!Report Abuse
Secretary
Everything against Zuma in ANC is ill-discipline. Mantashe can continue to go to hell. The truth will remain, Malema has a point and people should stop to personalize the ideas of Juju instead they should understand the contents of his ideas. The issue of expropriating our land without compensation and mine nationalization will haunt everybody including Nkandla Nation if we do not allow its discussion to fully unfold.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
Since when Mandela's birthday has anything to do with Anc? Malema was doing 67 minutes for mandela not for the ANC, i thought since they chased our PRESIDENT Malema they wont mention his name again, But clearly i see their ill-informed deciscion is haunting them already.. Go to the nearest tomatoe and hang yourself wena Gwede.Report Abuse
Mudidi
The question is our we dividing the movement further and further or try and unite it....I ask, as both are wrong (Zuma and Juju) we deserve better honestly......to choose between the two is division in its own right.Report Abuse
nkomazi
ANC, Gwede and Mthembu contiueing supporting rapist is a danger to SAReport Abuse
2shy2call
Malema ask those in Soweto who accustrated the death of Stompie Seipei.Report Abuse
Theotherguy
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.The circus never end. Is Mantashe aware of freedom of association, July 18 is Mandela day not ANC day well so I thought, my guess is that this will not go anywhere. We just have to be careful here about dictator tendencies displayed by Untsebe, Msholozi, Nzimande etc
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malemaforpresident
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mhlupheki
no matter how you can decorate it, it goes without saying that she is happy to see a divided ANC. i hope she understand the results of what she is doing. no matter what Zuma revive her political career as Mbeki has had thrown her away and thats the thanks Zuma is gettingReport Abuse
xhosagirl
Thabo Mbeki didnt like you,uTata Nelson divorced you, Zuma was the only one who gave you a second chance now you do this to him? yaa nee politicsReport Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Her grandson or her boytoy :PReport Abuse
Theotherguy
@Flemzaif someone is a moron , stop arguing with a moron , people will not notice the difference. Let Winnie hang herslf give her a rope to hang her political life, Winnie is finished fortunately Thambo Mbeki and her Ex-HUSBAND were wise to see that , hence Winnie is a devorcee.
Before you utter words like moron you should take a good look at yourself and ask yourself are you not one? and while you are still at check oxford dictionary for the meaning of the word. Another advice this is just ANC politics leading up to Mangaung do not be emotional as you have always been it exposes your level of IQ and believe you me is below -0
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
The ANC is deeply divided.Good.
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MGEEZ
Guys those of you who keep bringing up Winnie's divorce, please be reasonable, that has nothing to do with story and as for Thabo clapping her publicly, that was just plain disrespectful of him. I must say that I am shocked that some of you link these two to this story!!!Report Abuse
Tikoloshe
....I think there is more to this story between Gogo Winnie and JuJu.Now that the ANC has served divorce papers on JuJu and Umsholozi has switched off the tender monies taps in Limpopo, JuJu is looking for a sugar mommy to maintain him.
...Pasop wena JuJu, you gonna be another Stompie!!!!!! Never trust an Imphondo woman Mfana Wami!!!!
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Tikoloshe
....I think there is more to this story between the GoGo and JuJu....Now that the ANC has served divorce papers on JuJu and Umsholozi has turned off the tender monies taps in Limpopo, JuJu is looking for a sugar mommy to maintain him.
Pasop Wena JuJu, you gonna be another Stompie..mamma loves young boys!!!!! Never marry an IMphondo woman Mfana Wami!!!!!!!!!!
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Dzel
Discipline Winnie, you’ve gotta be kidding?The ANC goes for easy targets, Winnie is too big a fish to be intimidated and has too rich a history to be disciplined so Gwede will make sound bites but they won’t do anything to her.
Similarly Brett Murray and the Goodman Gallery were easy targets and they could be intimidated into submission. Zapiro on the other hand has his middle finger permanently pointed at Zuma’s direction and the president knows he can’t do a thing about it. We had murmurs here and there in response to Zapiro’s d*ckhead cartoon and a feeble attempt at intimidation but they knew they M&G and Zapiro are two formidable opponents so the noise died down very quickly, the cartoon is still on M&G’s website.
I dare you to try intimidating Winnie Gwede, I am not a fan but neither am I a fan of abusing power to intimidate others. You guys are bullies including the very Malema who is now playing the victim.
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GrRRRpha
These Mantashe is crazy. It was Mandela day not ANC day.Report Abuse
THEmadame2BBBEE
Gwede is jealous because he is not chowing mo WinnieReport Abuse
Obzam
the're two divisions within ANC is either your with ZUMA or JUJU-are u one of the corrupt people by supporting Zuma's administration or u want change by being with JUJU the choice is yours.Report Abuse
Theotherguy
@mhluphekino matter how you can decorate it, it goes without saying that she is happy to see a divided ANC. i hope she understand the results of what she is doing. no matter what Zuma revive her political career as Mbeki has had thrown her away and thats the thanks Zuma is getting
My take is that Zuma and Malema are both responsible for dividing the ANC, before Polokwane it was Mbeki and Zuma, I really fail to understand how is Mama mandela dividing ANC by associating with Malema, their relationship goes beyond the politics of ANC remember Malema then president of Cosas supported Winnie in her corruption trial so should she discard him like ANC did? well if you support Msholozi second term bid you will be angry at this association thats what happens when you bet a horse you will support it no matter how ill it is
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Mudidi
kwa LOL @THEmadame2bbbee you are crazyReport Abuse
Decibels
Gwede Mantashe can go ahead and baster his voice...comrade Malema remains the taster's choice.Report Abuse
Dzel
januswanusSomething about your nick makes me very uncomfortable ... sounds too familiar and the context makes me worried.
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malemaforpresident
Gwede must be expelled from the ANC once this moron is destrying our beloved organisation what is wrong if winnie attended Tata's birthday with Malema i mean that has got nothing to do with the ANC in was in a personal capacity tomorrow it will be why Winnie attended a wedding with malema NxaaaReport Abuse
phakisas
she didn't respect his President husband and she was fired as the minister by Mandela, she is really a problem and the Anc should deal with her like they did with all ill discipline comrades.Report Abuse
Buc4life
Good morning All,I think that the ANC is right by slamming Winnie. I mean, how can she support someone who shows utter disrespect to everyone he disagrees with.
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Buc4life
NeonWinnie is a conniving murderous b*tch. No wonder Madiba devorced her. This morning I listened to one of his speeches, and again I thought to myself If there was only more people of his calibre.
Winnie is dangerous, an ararchist and sowing division. Malema is her hand puppet, and I think she has more. She is doing her witchery behind the political scenes.
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Hi there
Absolutely!
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jnrb
She thanked him for making "us see in our lifetime that it is possible to liberate our people economically and better their lives". Well seeing that she so fond of history, take Tanzania as one example where nationalisation was appllied. In 1961, Julius Nyerere was elected Tanganyika's first Prime Minister, and following independence, in 1962, the country's first President. Nyerere issued the Arusha Declaration, which outlined his socialist vision of "ujamaa" that came to dominate his policies. The policies led to a collapsing economy, systematic corruption, and unavailability of goods. In the early 1970s Nyerere ordered his security forces to forcibly transfer much of the population to collective farms and, because of opposition from villagers, often burned villages down. The campaign pushed the nation to the brink of starvation and made it dependent on foreign food aid. Nationalizations transformed the government into the largest employer in the country. This created an environment ripe for corruption. The private sector suffered from multiplying cumbersome bureaucratic procedures and excessive tax rates. Enormous amounts of public funds were misappropriated and put to unproductive use. Purchasing power declined at an unprecedented rate and even essential commodities became unavailable. A system of permits (vibali) allowed officials to collect huge bribes in exchange for the vibali. Nyerere's policies laid out a foundation for systemic corruption for years to come. In 1985, after more than two decades in power, he relinquished power to his hand-picked successor. “Nyerere left Tanzania as one of the poorest, least developed, and most foreign aid-dependent countries in the world.” See Skinner, Annabel (2005). Tanzania & Zanzibar. New Holland Publishers. pp. 19. ISBN 1-86011-216-1. Winnie learn this lesson that Government bureaucrats never create wealth, they only know how to spend money.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Obzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt
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Mdala
Winnie is a snake a black mamba too the one that can never be trusted even by any snake experts.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Let Gwede Mantashe bark as much he likes, there is nothing he can do to Mama. They can try to bring charges against her but I do not think she will appear before the kangaroo court. She knows what happens there. Not when you have the likes of Collins Chabane, Derek Hanekom, Jeff Radebe, Cyril Ramaphosa and the like. those guys have squandered their political careers by allowing themselves to be used by the Zuma faction to stifle debate and settle scores. The truth is that the Zuma faction is currently dominant in the NEC and NWC. This is the NEC Mantashe is talking about. After all many of the people's livelihood depends on Jacob Zuma. You just do not bite the hand that feeds you. That was also the case during Mbeki's time and that will also be the case when Motlanthe is president.Report Abuse
Tikoloshe
malemaforpresident"KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT......"
...Intshebe wem Mbuzi is Winnie's little puppy dog.......they just want to use him to get control of the ANC, so a vote for him will be a vote for Winnie and her concubine Stompie. The delegates at Mangaung are a lot wiser than to vote them into power!!!!
.......Mangaung is over and done with, we just need to sign the papers.....
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Dzel
MommaCI still can't get over the photo in Mail and Guardian!
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I saw that hey! as suggestive as it was I just can't imagine the two being romantically involved inspite of the Dali Mpofu affair. I think their relationship is symbiotic where each uses the other for their own benefit. Sad thing is each of their agendas are not in the interests of SA so this is a dangerous liaison, its like watching two psychopaths go on a campaign of destruction and neither has the ability to appreciate the path of destruction they are creating.
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Buc4life
malemaforpresidentGwede must be expelled from the ANC once this moron is destrying our beloved organisation what is wrong if winnie attended Tata's birthday with Malema i mean that has got nothing to do with the ANC in was in a personal capacity tomorrow it will be why Winnie attended a wedding with malema Nxaaa
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Hi, morning
Gwede speaks in his capacity as spokesperson of the ANC.
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killerinsects
Now i think this so called ANC NEC,THEY A VERY SICK,how on earth u accused someone saying my grandson?? I think General SEC of ANC need to rest is old madal need to spend times with ur family,if is realy want to see this Oganization growing high!!!jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!Report Abuse
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfricaObzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:
The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt
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hello
I really like your views. U always spot on, I wish SA could really wake up.
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Groovisto
Gogo going!Always this Gogo has her own views. This is nothing new! Always a Rebel ! ! ! She must retire now, everything of hers has expired!!!
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Asinamali
@mdalaYou are out of order comrade,how can you call Mama Mandela a bitch,i am sure she is older than your mom,all zuma supporters have no respect just like him.our constitution allows us to associate our self with who ever we want and we have a freedom of speech as-well,Yes she is supporting Malema and is her choice,you grow up spoiled.
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JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
Fncking Julius is the only way the toilet gogo could stay relevant, the ANC should just let her run around like a headless chicken, let the powder puff gogo get her fnck or place her on retirement Gwede man.Report Abuse
phetlapi
sowetan you shouldn't have bothered youself publishing this article,Mantashe dont you know about freedom of choice,you s#ck big time !!!!!Report Abuse
ThirdEye
Gwede can't choose who Winnie associate with outside ANC, Mandela Day is not a ANC function but a day for a country to celebrate a State man's birthday. Gwede, Jackson Mthembu & Zuma are liars, we will never trust them. They expelled Malema because he was against them, they must not think that we are fools.Report Abuse
Dzel
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat,A little honesty from Gwede Mantashe will help the situation.Mantashe's statement on Madikizela-Mandela is really dishonest and self-serving. More than anyone Madikizela-Mandela knows that Malema's disciplinary hearing was politically inspired and aimed at removable a formidable campaigner in ANC circles in the runup to Mangaung
The point is these were valid charges brought against Malema and he would have been found guilty by any court or committee who were guided by the rules and regulations of the ANC and the code of conduct which stipulates how members should behave and relate to each other in the interests of the party.
How the charges came about I subservient to the merits of the case. Bottom-line is Malema was thrown a number of lifelines to remedy the situation and true to his character he was too stubborn to realise when it was time to back off.
Peter Mokaba – Malema’s hero - was also another hothead but to his credit he understood that there are limits to what one can do and how far he can push the party and the then president of the ANC Nelson Mandela. Malema has an emotional intelligence of a toad, he and only he is responsible for his expulsion. He thought he is bigger than the ANC, bigger than its president and above reproach. Trying to blame Zuma for his downfall shows just how delusional Malema and his supporters are.
The gaping hole in your argument is Malema himself is known to have used the ANCYL DC process and his position as president to intimidate and settle political scores but you guys conveniently forget this when pointing fingers at Zuma. If Zuma is a dictator then Malema is an even bigger dictator considering the amount of blood on the ANCYL DC floor which went as far as to dissolve an entire KZN ANCYL PEC largely because it was led by Zuma’s nephew. These are the facts you conveniently forget as you call others dictators.
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Neon
Theotherguy, I dont trust that woman. She is a radical - and we all know what radicals do to countries all over the world. They are in it for themeselves.Report Abuse
Buc4life
JIGSAWPUZZELHow can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided.
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killerinsects
We will meet in Mangaung and after that things will be fine,all this old madala like Zuma,Gwede and pusserface J Mthembu and company u run ANC like Spaza Shop!!nxaaaaaReport Abuse
Kone
What happen to freedom of association as enshrine in the constitution of the republic?.......................Or we are already in a Banana republic?...........
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Blackthought
She loves the attention...thinks she's more important than everyone in the ANC because she's Tata's ex....that woman is illadvised like her son juju. They both should be aware of winds of change in our political landscape. Juju has been reduced to a comedian while she is almost none existant in many people's eyes.Report Abuse
qili
forward with the struggle forward, we never ever surrender until we get back what has been taken out on us, the youngster must never ignore politics, we can use our masses to gain the power so that we can bring back our beautiful land to the blacks...amdlaaa!!!!!Report Abuse
Buc4life
KoneWhat happen to freedom of association as enshrine in the constitution of the republic?.......................
Or we are already in a Banana republic?...........
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for Pete`s sake, Winnie is a public figure. What message is she sending by associating with Malema.
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Neon
Kone, this is freedom of association, she associated her with despots, and the Anc reacted on her association - their right too. it could be worse you know. They could have shot her........Report Abuse
THEmadame2BBBEE
ya no the Mail and Guardian photo makes it clear that there a process of carnal interlude going on there between Juju and Winnie....then I was distracted by Thuli Madonsela’s photo on the bottom (The madam is ugly)Report Abuse
Neon
qili, yeah then South Africa can just become another despotic dump in the world - You would love that hey?Report Abuse
Neon
Thuli for president!Report Abuse
Maratachelete
I've had enough of the African National CrisisReport Abuse
qili
we are aware about those top leaders in our movement who sell us(black) out to the white during the times of Codesa..Shame on you for selling out of minerals and land to the imperialists.The outcomes of those meetings were that you could have the political power but the gold and diamonds would remain in the hands of the individuals that controlled it before. Have you forgotten what the Freedom Charter had said??Report Abuse
The_Only_1
In my entire life; ngiyaqala ukuzwa umbhedo onje!Anyway let me refer to section of the Bill of Rights - 16 (1) (a) Freedom of Expression which states that everyone has the right to freedom of expression which includes - (a) freedom of the press and other media. The rights in subsection 16(1)(a) does not extend to - (a) advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm.
So I'm feel very embarrased even if I'm not directly involved in making such idiotic statement that umama uMadikizela Mandela must stop making any statement about Julius Malema? After 18 years of democracy; some people are still practicing laws of colonialism. Whoever said that is a DICKIE - TATOR!!!
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qili
the puppet who kills Hani as he was the only leader who could predudice the revolutionOne of the most revealing aspects of the economic transition was the ownership of the Reserve Bank of South Africa. Arguably the most powerful institution in the country, its fate was explained by Durban businessman Vishnu Padaychee; asked to draft a document for the negotiating team on the on the pro’s and con’s of having an autonomous central bank, run with total autonomy from the elected government. Padayachee could not believe what he was hearing. He and his team drafted and submitted the document with a clear policy of not allowing the Reserve Bank to be autonomous.
He was later told by the negotiating team that, “We had to give that one up”.
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swona
bt that stupid woman has been doing that since I knew her, ask her former husband Mandela!Report Abuse
magaula
Is gwede Too afriad of Malema? He thinks he can bully everyone around, For heavens sake, Malema was not attending an ANC day, but a day of one of the greatest world icon, Malema was invited by the Mandela Family... Gwede should continue teaching history, since he taught history on the 18th.Report Abuse
qili
Mr Former President what you have done for black people is that you have laid the final brick by selling out on the struggle to achieve your dream of political victory. Your dream which has become our worst nightmare as black people.You sold us as black nation for a “Noble Peace Prize” and that is the reason for the service delivery demonstration and the lack of service delivery. Our Constitution hailed as the best in the world favours the Caucasians while it oppresses the Africans. Thanks for nothing Mandela. You understood the Kempton Park negotiations as a sell-out solution to rescue white capital and for the few in power, and that such a democracy would continue the suffering of the black majority.
I have a problem with people giving “Messianic status to Madiba” like a black Jesus when we all know that you have failed the black nation.
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DA-DBN-GUY
qiliforward with the struggle forward, we never ever surrender until we get back what has been taken out on us, the youngster must never ignore politics, we can use our masses to gain the power so that we can bring back our beautiful land to the blacks...amdlaaa!!!!!
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You think you people are so righteous dont you? Your people were stealing cattle and land from each other before the whites ever came to this country so who does the land really "belong' to? Our beautiful land is being destroyed by the blacks (anc). look at the fracking that is being proposed, the filth that is abundant in own once clean cities. The anc has destroyed everything that was once beautiful. Even farm land given to black farmers has had to be reclaimed by the government because it was being destroyed ands misused! The youngster must ignore politics until they have finished school and educated enough to make informed decisions! Telling a child they are entitled to free land. minerals and wealth is both dangerous and irresponsible!
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Candid
OH MY!@ MalemaforPresident- please make up your mind as whom should be your president.
@Keepchange & Mudidi and Flemza I'm with you...
@Nkomazi- name calling is so shallow, I don't like the man either, sadly he is still our President, it shows your weakness..stop it.
@ Neon LOL...true.
Winnie Madikizela Mandela needs to know her place...Juju must man up 5 years is not so bad and stop hiding behind skirts...he must go get a Masters or something.
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Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfricaObzam - Correction, theres two factions currently in the ANC:
The Zuma faction = Corrupt
The Malema faction = Corrupt
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Malema was never found any guilty of corruption, hence Zuma's charges were dropped without going to court and his family is linked with Gupta family who control South African economy. And Zuma has some connection with EduSolution the company which failed to deliver textbooks in Limpopo.. Hopefully this will help you and stop embarrassing yourself with your little knowledge
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masende
IN MY TYMS*SINGING* WAGUGA MFAZI THIXOReport Abuse
THEmadame2BBBEE
In the first place y is Winnie being ridiculed here, I mean she did everything to protect Mandela, and when she protects her family even if it meant eliminating an informer like Stompie or better getting some chow from some men when TaTa was in prison she is labelled a promiscuous woman and unfaithful because she has to satisfy her sexual needs, and called a murderer......yet again still the ANC is telling her what to do with the juju issue......Report Abuse
DA-DBN-GUY
qiliYou definitely are smoking something today!!! The anc post Madiba has failed the blacks and the nation. Madiba laid the foundations and the anc has failed to even build on that foundation. The anc is for self enrichment and power. that is the reason for service delivery failures! Dont you read the newspapers to read of the wasteful spending the corruption, the tender frauds etc etc. This is the failure of the anc NOT Madiba. Zoomer and his cronies like to balme the white man for the failures his party has created much as Bob blames the British for Zims woes. Yet het has been in power since 1980 and done nothing. Its about time you take the massive chip off your shoulder, open you bloody eyes and lay blame where it belongs. The current anc and NOT Madiba.
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Neon
qili, if it was not for Mandela, this country could have been worse off. Your skirt of distaste for other people of colour is hanging far out. you probably wanted a war like Malema. I have read a in-depth article of him. It is clear this man want conflict and nothing else. If given the chance he will become the same despot as Idi Amin, Assad, Charles Taylor ect. Stop thinking in "black and white" our chindren will not benefit from your mindset.Report Abuse
Msola321
@Buc4lifeJIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided.
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That was not for ANC but for Madiba, its doesn't mean if someone fired from the company u r working for, you dont have to be associated with that person. For your info Not all ANC NEC hates Malema only few who think they own ANC
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qili
I also blame INKOSI Mangosuthu who was once again supposed to assist in the process of power transformation the he failed as he was only looking to have a cake on kzn than what blacks will need during the democrase, he should have look what the freedom charter is all about...intsead he was fighting black against blackReport Abuse
Cl!ck
"Grelim" Mantashe is behaving like a "suspect" on Cheaters.. *Jealous that he can't have Winnie*Report Abuse
cocolucho
Gwede should get over himself, he's a small boy, he cant do anything.The whole anc is rotten at the moment from the top to the bottom. I wish that mandela had asked for a birthday wish that would see thabo as president again, these monkeys have gone too far.
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DA-DBN-GUY
cocoluchoGwede should get over himself, he's a small boy, he cant do anything.
The whole anc is rotten at the moment from the top to the bottom. I wish that mandela had asked for a birthday wish that would see thabo as president again, these monkeys have gone too far.
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I bet Madibas birthday wish was that he belonged to the DA ;-)
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qili
@Neon, I myself like the white lady but because of being black and the way the aparatheid system put us makes me feel like crying if I knew what Madiba did during the negotiations...I feel lonely and cry it's not all of us black who can produce quality food in the market when it comes to farming but as I grown up on the farm I know how to do the farming so really we need to intervene and get back our landReport Abuse
Theotherguy
@ NeonTheotherguy, I dont trust that woman. She is a radical - and we all know what radicals do to countries all over the world. They are in it for themeselves
Who do you trust in the ANC my man?
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mvemvane
Hands off JUJU!!!!Report Abuse
THEmadame2BBBEE
Cl!ck......"Grelim" Mantashe is behaving like a "suspect" on Cheaters.. *Jealous that he can't have Winnie*
i second that motion comrade, or maybe Gwede wants some more, I guess Winnie must be a hound dog in bed
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Buc4life
Msola321@Buc4life
JIGSAWPUZZEL
How can shower head and mantashe be so power hungry?i dont think people are going to remove them in mangaung but they are going to remove themselves.wen JuJu said this man is a dictator some people thought he was crazy but no he is not.i have seen how Gwede operates and its goes without asking that he has tasted the limelight and he will do anything to remain in it.As for Mama-Winnie being divorced by Madiba,i think its a personal matter between two people that shared a lot of things together and no one should come here deluded for adequacy and mislead people into thinking divorce does not exit in our society.some of you are divorcees and sons of divorcees and we dont want to know what happened between your moms and dads.
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Jigsaw. Your puzzle pieces do not make sense. this has nothing to do with the fact that the Mandelas are divorced. this has everything to do with Winnie doing what is right. How can she support someone who was expelled by the organisation? the only logical reason for me is that she has lived a twisted life herself, so she has common grounds with Malema.
U guys are so misguided.
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That was not for ANC but for Madiba, its doesn't mean if someone fired from the company u r working for, you dont have to be associated with that person. For your info Not all ANC NEC hates Malema only few who think they own ANC
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Irrespective. Winnie is doing great damage to the ANC(not that there isnt damage already) by hanging out with Malema. She has long lost her credibility, and will continue to because she associates herself with ill-disciplined members. well, not surprised, she is ill-disciplined herself. ANC NEC who love Malema do so because they are using him as a stepping stone for their own agendas.
Malema is bad news for this country and for the world as a whole.
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Msola321
@Buc4lifeWhy r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...?
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Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.***************************************************************************************************
I am not a Winnie or Juju fan........... nothing that comes out of "Piranha" Mantashe's mouth is palatable
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somaartakeit
The anc leaders are too much pussies to discipline someone like Winnie, also they themselves are illdisciplined, so you can't preach discipline to the youth and give your president a razzmatazz to sleep with friends daughters, the anc leaders are expecting too much from their youth, too much which they themselves have failed to live up to and lead the youth by examples,Finally, Winnie is a necessary evil for the anc, just to put final nail on this sham anc has become.
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somaartakeit
And I don't blame her either if she destroys the anc, cause the anc is Winnie, it was Winnie who kept it alive whilst others were having good time in exile, Winnie had to deal with ruthless security forces, she fend them off all by herself, so she is allowed to take the p!ss, but the photo of yesterday with her kissing Malema was really a cherry on top, no wonder grandpa Mantashe feels left out in the cold, anyway who needs mutton when you can have a lamb, go for it Winnie lolReport Abuse
Neon
qili, the land issue must be sorted out, but not in a radical way. Those boere are an asset to this country. By just taking land will not rectify anything. The Anc has failed many poor people, by not empowering them. How may countless time have we read about corruption? Not millions but billions of rands! If we can count all that money that has be stolen by the Anc and their cronies you will probably have a heart attack. Just think how much we could have done? But unfortuanately the Malema and Winnie way will not bring sanity - They are even worse.There are some people in this country that would rather see this country burning to the ground. Those are the real dangerous people.
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somaartakeit
@MsKinky....LOVL @Pirhana Mantashe, lol that's original and a good one too! lolReport Abuse
Buc4life
Msola321@Buc4life
Why r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...?
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Im referring to SA.
Malema is a self-centred,disrespectful, arrogant boy(i say boy). He is an opportunist and a power-hungry individual who will stop at nothing to use the very ppl he claims to emancipate for economic freedom. He talks about nationalisation baut he has no clue on how it will be applied.
He accuses other ppl of being corrupt yet we all know how he influenced tenders in Limpopo.
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DA-DBN-GUY
PapageIt is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Yeah, Julius wasnt found guilty of corruption (yet). But then again, neither was Zuma."his family is linked with Gupta family who control South African economy. And Zuma has some connection with EduSolution the company which failed to deliver textbooks in Limpopo.."
Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).
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Msola321
On a serious note I don’t get it, If you’re anti- Zuma, Are you ill discipline….?Report Abuse
GrRRRpha
On paper Winnie is Tata ex, but in tradition she is still the second wife. The family does not divorce people only individual, hence she has a say in in the Mandela clanReport Abuse
somaartakeit
ooh yesterday I also our useless African leaders lined in a cue to shake hands with God Hu Jintao in China, all the useless boys from Africa were standing obediently in a well ordered cue waiting to greet the new God to feed them and pose for photos, they are promised 20bil dollars pocket money, all the African boys were smiling like a cat seeing cream, it was embarrassing actually that Africa with its abundance of natural resources still these so called leaders still seek handouts, one person from Ghana said Africa's relationship with China is like running from Satan (West) only to seek refuge with Lucifer. All because we have useless, lazy to think, visionless leaders, who only look sharp in Western designed suits, but are very very useless to achieve anything of significance, I couldn't believe that they allowed world heritage in Timbukuti to be vandalised, as they were waiting for the West to save the day, useless useless bunch, jeeerReport Abuse
Msola321
@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).===================
Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers.....
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Anti-rhetoric
She is bad for the ANC and She is attention seeking granny. She is always late for all important meeting. Remember her and her kids had used up their savings from Mandela allocation and Zinzi was about to be evicted from her house for non-payment, we revived her career and she thinks she is untouchable.She is nothing without the ANC, she married the ANC and by default she become the activists. Respect and discipline are most important characters of the activist, she disrespect the President of the ANC by having the affair with small boy. She compromised the diginity of the State President for personal pleasure. There is nothing special about her by now she want to hang on to the Mandela name because she is nothing without Mandela history. Mandela is married to Graca Mandela.
All her grand childern are using Mandela surname instead of their fathers surnames, we are expecting Julius Mandela as he is a grandson.
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somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, Malema can only be bad for the country as a whole if we the citizens have absolved ourselves responsibility to electing effective leaders, then the vacuum will be felt by guys like malema and zuma, that is why our saving grace is vote anc out, cause they show lack of ability to lead this nation effectively, I am still astounded that zuma is their best leader there is.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
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Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers.
Its common/public knowledge. Or did you think that Julius can afford a R16 million house and R1 million a year spending money from having a few cows?
Oh, and Julius is being investigated. By SARS/Hawks and the PP.They are just taking their time, making sure the investigation is air-tight. Im sure Zuma is holding off on the information too, waiting to use it against Julius should he start blackmailing Zuma.
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Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUYPapage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc!
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Winnie was praising Malema on her personal capacity , she has a right to express herself
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - The company name is Onpoint, and if you have a DTI account, you can log in and view the directors. I can even give you Malema's ID number, and you can verify all the companies he is linked too.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Anti-rhetoric, if there is anybody who has a claim on the anc is Winnie, she stayed here in SA and suffered alongside the rest of us frm the security forces then, whilst its leaders were living high in exile. Hence I said, Winnie is anc, and you lot better do well to recognise that fact. That's not to say she is always right, but Winnie is not the problem in the anc leadership, even Mantashe has no claim to righteousness, so mazilime ziyetyeni, and get this party rolling down the cliff already!Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Julius ID NO: 8103035973084Report Abuse
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321@DA-DBN-GUY
Papage
It is her right, "Freedom of Association" as ingraved in our constitution, if you hate him, must we all hate him? I am a card carrying member of the Organisation and attend all its invites, there is nothing wrong with Mma Mandela and Malema being together. Gwede must take a hike.
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Freedom of Association is one thing but to publicly praise Malema Winnie has undermined the anc NEC and demonstrated that their authority can be challenged in public. This is good news for other parties as it places further strain on the anc!
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Winnie was praising Malema on her personal capacity , she has a right to express herself
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You are missing the point dude. She is still a prominent member of the anc and her public endorsement of Juju EVEN in her personal capacity flies in the face of the anc and its NEC!
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Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMsola321
@Yeah, and Julius was linked to the company that dished out tenders, who was connected to the premier of Limpopo. And Julius has connections to some of the tender winners (his cousin for one).
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Are out of your mind why he is not in Jail because that is a serious corruption, who proved that. You read to much bias Newspapers.
Its common/public knowledge. Or did you think that Julius can afford a R16 million house and R1 million a year spending money from having a few cows?
Oh, and Julius is being investigated. By SARS/Hawks and the PP.They are just taking their time, making sure the investigation is air-tight. Im sure Zuma is holding off on the information too, waiting to use it against Julius should he start blackmailing Zuma.
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The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Cl!ck
@ somaartakeitHere we go again.. *Ladies & gentlemen, fasten your seat-belts, captain "Wonder Woman" is here to save the political day..*
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Bebesocs
Oh! God Almighty here comes Gwede "Zidlele" Mantashe talking to us in the morning about amaqam, to remind you Zidlele that was not ANC rally, infact did you go to Qunu? Did Blade Ndzimande Tony Yengeni Angie Motshekga go to Qunu? What does that tell you?Mantashe you are also unforgivable our children do not have books and you were quiet you never said a thing now it is Winnie you open your foul mouth. When people start to talk about failure of delivery you dark and dive but when its the penis of Zuma you lift up your arthritic legs and march, you also cause this division just look at yourself.
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mfanomncane
Tikoloshemalemaforpresident
"KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT KGALEMA FOR PRESIDENT......"
...Intshebe wem Mbuzi is Winnie's little puppy dog.......they just want to use him to get control of the ANC, so a vote for him will be a vote for Winnie and her concubine Stompie. The delegates at Mangaung are a lot wiser than to vote them into power!!!!
.......Mangaung is over and done with, we just need to sign the papers.....
@Tikoloshe Nina yiyabheda nifuna sidlale lomfana ongafundile wakwa Malema.
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somaartakeit
@WakeupSA there really is no need to publish private info about others, I know these discussion and the need for one to stress their point across could result in emotions running high, but man you can do better than this. I am not fan of Juju, but he like you and me deserves his privacy or would you like it if someone publishes your ID on a public forum?Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "The House was financed by ABSA"Hehe, what does that mean? Do you think ABSA will borrow anyone money for a R16 million house if they only earn +R20k a month?
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1tsotsi
"What she is doing is dangerous for the organisation. She has taken a decision to go against the ANC national executive committee's (position) on Julius. She has decided to oppose the decision," Mantashe told the Sowetan yesterday.=============================
What gwede is saying is dangerous to the society, its Winnies democratic choice to be with Our President Malema, how can they worry about Malema who they have fired? Are they afraid that they did a little lower than the devil and Juju, does better than them? Gwede is mad..
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@Cl!ck *laughing* why wena for mina vele son?Report Abuse
Msola321
@DA-DBN-GUYYou are missing the point dude. She is still a prominent member of the anc and her public endorsement of Juju EVEN in her personal capacity flies in the face of the anc and its NEC!
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But she is still South African citizen like anyone else, hence she hav the same rights as me and you
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KingMay
It's fine for Winnie to go with whoever she wants however she mus not comment about the ANC or polictics considering that the gathering was about birthday wishes for Mandela!Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - You can publish my ID number if you want to. I have nothing to hide.Report Abuse
Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMsola321 - "The House was financed by ABSA"
Hehe, what does that mean? Do you think ABSA will borrow anyone money for a R16 million house if they only earn +R20k a month?
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For info Malema was meaning far more than that, and he is credit worthy unlike you
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Msola321The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - I dont have any debt :P But anyways, were not discussing me, we are discussing Julius, the corrupt dude.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA you give permission for yours to be published but have you considered that Juju didn't give you permission to publish his? Guys like you will miss the boat completely cause you are irrational when it comes to Juju, for instance he says some things which you also agree with, which means he is not always a devil but a misguided politician, but that's no reason to publish private stuff about him, if the state has a solid case of corruption against him he must be charged so should everyone else who is guilty of same starting with jacob and the ppl who gave malema (who was never a gov offical) access to public resources,You will also find that, his house in Sandton is funded by some wh!te dude, there was an article on this issue the other day, my point is that, politicians can ONLY be corrupt for as long as the citizens allow them to be.
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@Buc4life
Why r u saying Malema is bad news for the country, which country are reffering to and why...?
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Im referring to SA.
Malema is a self-centred,disrespectful, arrogant boy(i say boy). He is an opportunist and a power-hungry individual who will stop at nothing to use the very ppl he claims to emancipate for economic freedom. He talks about nationalisation baut he has no clue on how it will be applied.
He accuses other ppl of being corrupt yet we all know how he influenced tenders in Limpopo.
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Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime so why he was never charged....? Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC.
Nationalization is not his idea but our grandfathers and mothers, we need to benefit from our land all of us. I like South African constitution because if Malema want to still from the public they will prosecute him...Hopefully this will help you
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Bebesocs
@SOWETAN why did'nt you show us the picture of mama Winnie kissing Juju wiht her mouth opened that picture looks very lovely, I asked you on the 18th to show us but you ignored me, we to see it that is our momReport Abuse
Papage
The fact remains, it is her right to associate with whomever she likes, it does not mean that because Zuma and Gwede hates him, we must all follow, They must sort their problems and not ask for our sympathy, they started this, they must feel the heat as well, " You talk bad about other people, encourage divisions in the ANC, now is their turn, let them feel it and dance like they danced in Polokwane. Feel it is here Gwede & Zuma.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
KingMayIt's fine for Winnie to go with whoever she wants however she mus not comment about the ANC or polictics considering that the gathering was about birthday wishes for Mandela!
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You can not divorce Winnie from anc in the same way that the anc can not divorce Mandela name from the anc, when you go outside SA, guess who is the most famous anc person after Mandela? its Winnie, I was amazed that this woman is known even in the Carrebbean as the anc pillar, in fact ppl admire her over there, for pulling the anc together whilst its leaders were outside SA, lets give her due credit, that's not to say I feel lots of love for her, but all these ppl telling Winnie what to do in the anc name have even less claim in the anc fame, that's my point.
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DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321You still dont get the point!
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Anti-rhetoric
Everytime people say Zuma is corrupt but the question is what happened to the arms deal primary contract( between government and arms manufactures). It is allege that Thale pays Zuma for protection against prosecution, it is prosecution againsts what? Zuma agreed he recieved the money from Shaik as a loan and he repayed it, how do you proof the corruption then?Winnie is convicted Fraudster and immorally by having affair also. Juju is waiting for his turn, the corruption act of 2004 is more wider and stronger than the one that the one Shaik was prosecuted.
Zuma is protecting the ANC and Mandela in the arms deal. The true ANC members will have to find something to justify why JZ is not fit to be a president. You accussed him of failing the African agenda and he proved all sundries wrong.
JZ for second term.
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@DBNDAguy how could you say that, when it was published that construction work has come to a halt due to lack of funds?Report Abuse
truthhurt
Gwede will $hit himself come Mangaung!Bloody Rubbish!
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@Antirhetoric wrong!! zuma is protecting himself FIRST, and if by any chance he is protecting the anc as you allege, you will find that the anc paid a high price for it by rewarding him with presidency which he is making a cork up of it and bleeding its votes.When you speak of Winnie's infidelities, even Madiba said, when he was arrested Winnie was still a young woman very attractive and at a pick of her time, so he expected that she will have affair, what is zuma's excuse of having affairs whilst surrounded by all this wives? Thing is Winnie is no more immoral and corrupt than zuma is, its just that Winnie is linked to the most famous name in the country, so she is on the spotlight. Again that is not to say I have lotsa love for her, if I had my way, I wld wish for her to retire peacefully and be a proper gran to her grandchildren,
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sh!tFaceSamsung
WakeUpSouthAfricau stil hav dat apartheid mentality : blacks can not archiev anything :
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somaartakeit@DBNDAguy how could you say that, when it was published that construction work has come to a halt due to lack of funds?
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From guesstimates the construction would be in the region of R16m (according to the press and i dont recall Juju denying the amount). Funny how funds have dried up since some of his friends were being probed for corruption and even his 'trust fund" is being probed? Fact remains if the house had not been paid up in full ABSA would not have allowed him to destroy his house and rebuild!
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@Anti-rhetoric - as far as I remember he threaten to spill the beans, lets hope those beans are not overcooked by now in his pants and we r' "still waiting for HIS day in court or spillage"Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime"He is being investigated. Do you remember how long the investigation into Selebi took?
"Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC."
I dont watch SABC :P
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@DA-DBN-GUYMsola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong
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Ma-Bhova
Gwede is smoking the rong tobbaco in his pipe. So Winnie the Pooh must ask her permission now? This started when they lost the charges, they went to Winnie's house and had a party plus lenyora to drown their sorrows. It's too late to stop that ship now Gwede, you can only hope for an Ice berg to stop.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
sh!tFaceSamsung - "u stil hav dat apartheid mentality":P Because Julius is corrupt? No broer, you still have the apartheid mentality.
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MicaParis
Come on Comrade Gwede how can you get yourself involved with Winnie's nonsensical political antics. Winnie is suffering from trauma of the long list of people that she murdered through injections and poisons. Well is a sign that she will soon be lost from this world as her soul is trying to slowly clean itself before she finally say goodbye! May you all stand up and give a round of applause to the queen of toy boys and roll ons' for instilling arrogance and ill discipline on Juju. As for Juju and Magogo wa ditoyboy well their friendship is simple, they munch each other and there is nothing Gwede can do about that! Sexual intimacy is powerful than reality and honesty!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@DBNDAguy, I am not defending Malema but I am saying lets put things into perspective, cause its not possible for one politician who is not even a gov official to be super corrupt as malema is alleged to be without co-operation from the ppl responsible to put their signatures on the deals which malema is alleged to benefit from, imo we should take up our issues with such gov officials not a non gov official,to look at it from a different perspective, when a wife finds a mistress in her house (bedroom) with her husband, who do you think is to blame given that the mistress has no keys to the house let alone the bedroom? I say lets lay the blame with mothale and zuma, afterall zuma appointed him in that post which he abused and resulted in his friend (malema) becoming corrupt. Malema is only a small fry in the big pond of corrupt big fishes, lets focus dear and nail the super corrupt anc big fishes.
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DA-DBN-GUYMsola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Just to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize.
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Msola321Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime so why he was never charged....? Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC.
Nationalization is not his idea but our grandfathers and mothers, we need to benefit from our land all of us. I like South African constitution because if Malema want to still from the public they will prosecute him...Hopefully this will help you
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I will say this to u once: Please be objective in ure comments. Do u know me? Did I tell u that I listem to the SABC? Even if I did, whatever i listen to, I apply my own mind to it. So, if u want us to have a healthy debate, stop undermining me solely because our comments differ.
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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Cl!ck
Can't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Tasto@Anti-rhetoric - as far as I remember he threaten to spill the beans,
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that in itself concl that he blackmailed the anc into giving him presidency. And him knowing of possibly crime and not reporting this to the police makes him an accomplice, hence I say, zuma must face charges at the very least of defeating the end of justice, the DA fortunately is working round the clock to achieve this. Thank God that we have opposition like the DA that is not fast asleep on national issues, whilst anc fat cats squabble of the loot.
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Msola321
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMsola321 - "Im saying it again if he hav influence tenders he should in jail now, because i take it as seruious crime"
He is being investigated. Do you remember how long the investigation into Selebi took?
"Stop reading, watching or listening to bias media like SABC."
I dont watch SABC :P
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So lets wait for the investigation and stop accusing him as far as I know one is innocent until proven guilty. so lets not rape our costintution like what Zuma did...
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Msola321Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong
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Your problem is you dont think at all and let Juju and the anc make all the decisions for you. Unlike you i have an open mind and look at all sources before I make a decision for myself.
Please tell me what bank will finance R16m worth of construction on a salary of R20000+- and allow the current house to be destroyed before being paid up. You my friend are the perfect anc sheep. Follow blindly without questioning!
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@Charley4sureDA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
The House was financed by ABSA, Zuma dont like Malema I think if he was holding something he should hav lost it already because of the way Malema expose him
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Wrong! ABSA doesnt have any record of his house being financed which means it was paid up in full and second ABSA would never allow him to demolish and rebuild on that land if the house was still being financed as the house would still belong to ABSA. And how does a man who claims to only earn roughly R20k a month afford R16m plus a house in Limpopo?
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Just to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize.
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Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation
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Charley4sureJust to add and clarify. Malema is not building a house worth R16 million but it is R8.5 million.
He won the case with Ombudsman and Sunday Independent Newpaper is yet to apologize.
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Thanks for the clarity but it is still 6 of 1 and half a dozen of another! He is living way above his reported means.
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somaartakeit
@DADBNGuy, if Malema managed to raise enough deposit, he can get a loan, cause the bank will only give loan when risk is minimal to them, my take it that he raised enough funds for a deposit, like he said, he got given a car when didn't have one by some of his political mates like Tokyo amongst his wealthy friends, my take is that he must have raised a reasonable amount to put down towards the loan with ABSA, or even pay direct to the construction company.Report Abuse
Buc4life
somaartakeit@Bucs4life, Malema can only be bad for the country as a whole if we the citizens have absolved ourselves responsibility to electing effective leaders, then the vacuum will be felt by guys like malema and zuma, that is why our saving grace is vote anc out, cause they show lack of ability to lead this nation effectively, I am still astounded that zuma is their best leader there is.
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absolutely.
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Cl!ckCan't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
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LOL ooh wouldn't that be a treat for us ladies drooling over his gorgeous bod? I wld be more than willing to contribute to that fund, lol
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DA-DBN-GUY
somaartakeitDude you dont need to convince me of anything. The whole anc is corrupt and Juju and the premier of Limpopo obviously have a super corrupt relationship. There is the key to the door. Plus Juju is also reported to have introduced friend to other high ranking politicians and brokered deals.
But as long as you have self serving politicians in the anc we will always have corruption and tender fraud issues. At the moment there doesnt seem to be any anc politician who could steer the ship back on course!
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Buc4life
DA-DBN-GUYMsola321
Ooh are ABSA allowed to give out their Client's info, if so Juju must lay criminal charges against them, your problem is that you think you know too much but you're wrong
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Your problem is you dont think at all and let Juju and the anc make all the decisions for you. Unlike you i have an open mind and look at all sources before I make a decision for myself.
Please tell me what bank will finance R16m worth of construction on a salary of R20000+- and allow the current house to be destroyed before being paid up. You my friend are the perfect anc sheep. Follow blindly without questioning!
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the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house.
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@Msola321"Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation"I wish it was possible to not personalise our politics but they are very much personal, cause what the politicians do affects us directly and personal, the other day, I was in the kasi at my mom's house, when a little girl of about 7-8yrs came in begging for food, my first thoughts were, if a child that young has no fear of coming into strangers house and beg for food, how desperate must a situation be in her home? and btw this kid when I asked where she stayed she was not even from the neighbourhood she lived about 1.5 to 2km away from my mothers house, now do you see how families have become so desperate, and this desperation has put our children at risk of being molested and even murdered given that in SA children are most at risk of violent crimes, now you tell me how can I not take it personal what the gov is doing against the citizens?
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somaartakeitCl!ck
Can't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
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LOL ooh wouldn't that be a treat for us ladies drooling over his gorgeous bod? I wld be more than willing to contribute to that fund, lol
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Do you want SA to go through a recession? Obama does not come cheap, he is educated.
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Bra007
Cl!ckCan't SA b'uy Barack Obama on a 4-year deal, like they do in soccer during the transfer windows??
100% F*ool...Obama isn't the best president...he will rig* votes come next elections in Nov, corruption is everywhere but the local and international media tends to focus only in Africa >>> G*addafi funded S*arkozy for his bid to French presidency yet he was killed by Sarky Sarky aligned forces and he was depicted as the most dangerous dic*tactor of all time, Berlusconi shags teenage girls, Obama is pulling out all the stops to fund his re-election bid and he is a t**errorist himself, he sends troops everywher to torture other countries...America* & Euros are the bullies who bullies other countries, same as they do to us as they control our economy behind the curtains..
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@Buc4lifeQuestion: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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@Buc4lifeDA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
"the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house"
and their biggest problem is to assume that rest of us have no say over who/how our country should be run, when majority high income and high tax payers are not in the anc if the report by Moeletsi Mbeki is anything to go by,
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@somaartakeit - especially with education of black child, I guess that child does not stand a chance in life as long as SAD teachers union exist and can I conclude also chances of her going to fomer model-c school are NIL.Report Abuse
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@Truthhurts we are already in recession, at least during this period we need smart guys like Obama to lead us, and his great bod will be a cherry on top:-)Report Abuse
Cl!ck
@ Bra007"100% F*ool" - Is where I stopped reading your toilet-paper crap.. Now, let me ask you something.. Are you married??
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somaartakeit@Buc4life
DA-DBN-GUY
Msola321
"the problem with Malema & Zuma followers is that they dont think. they are like sheep being led to the slaughter house"
and their biggest problem is to assume that rest of us have no say over who/how our country should be run, when majority high income and high tax payers are not in the anc if the report by Moeletsi Mbeki is anything to go by,
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Yes.the majority of high income earners are not in the ANC. By this we mean high income through hard work, not corruption.
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@Tasto@somaartakeit - especially with education of black child, I guess that child does not stand a chance in life as long as SAD teachers union exist and can I conclude also chances of her going to fomer model-c school are NIL.
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this is the thing, cause that child represent at least 5mil SAn children who live in abject poverty, that is why this struggle to be economically emancipated is personal and urgent,
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Tikoloshe
qili.....get over yourself you i.iot and stop blaming everything and everyone for your predicament you lazy fool. This is a country of opportunity and if you EDUCATE yourself and are prepared to work hard you can emancipate yourself from your victim mindset!!!!
You like the people of Haiti who still blame colonialism 200 years after Independence!!!
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Msola321@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! THE MONEY THE anc WASTES EVERY SINGLE YEAR COULDVE BUILT ALL THE RDP HOUSES PROMISED AND BUILT ENOUGH SCHOOLS TO ACCOMODATE EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL CHILD. So what makes you think the anc will use ANY money from nationalised mines on the country? Because they said so? Why should you be given a mine or mineral rights? Because you are black?
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Anyway good citizens of my beloved country, have a wonderful week-end to yourselves make some nourishing meals for yourself and your children, so you can sustain yourselves and your beautiful families through and beyond this Winter, I am now off to start my week-end with my darling family:-)Report Abuse
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Msola321@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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Let me rephrase the question; how can the gap between rich & poor be narrowed? How can nationalisation be applied so that the poor benefit, considering that at the moment there are vast inequalities. How do u give mines to uneducated community. they are not going to know what to do with mines and farms? How do upskill ppl who dont know how to read or write(at least some of them dont)
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somaartakeit@Truthhurts we are already in recession, at least during this period we need smart guys like Obama to lead us, and his great bod will be a cherry on top:-)
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Hai wena you just want eye candy at our expense, thats wrong.
Are you sure you are not a politician?
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Bra007
@Cl!ckToilet-paper??? at least it might be interesting to read it while you shittin* around in the loo of your house...
for that question, NONE OF YOUR BIZ if i am or not...wena stop making Obama a saint when he's just a pretty boy to look at!!!
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When last did this old gwede took a bath? Your sangoma is misleading you gwede. Winnie is not your daughter or a 3 year old you can tell what to do and say and with who. TsekReport Abuse
cocolucho
@tastoHave you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves?
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Msola321
@somaartakeit@Msola321
"Thank you, the more we stop personalising the ideas the more will be the better Nation"I wish it was possible to not personalise our politics but they are very much personal, cause what the politicians do affects us directly and personal, the other day, I was in the kasi at my mom's house, when a little girl of about 7-8yrs came in begging for food, my first thoughts were, if a child that young has no fear of coming into strangers house and beg for food, how desperate must a situation be in her home? and btw this kid when I asked where she stayed she was not even from the neighbourhood she lived about 1.5 to 2km away from my mothers house, now do you see how families have become so desperate, and this desperation has put our children at risk of being molested and even murdered given that in SA children are most at risk of violent crimes, now you tell me how can I not take it personal what the gov is doing against the citizens?
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Yes we have to take government issues personal because they are already implemented but failing to deliver what they promised. But on Malema’s Ideas they are not yet implemented and they are open for discussion so instead of saying Malema want to benefit from mines lets come up with a productive ways on how the mines can be Nationalized so that everyone in South Africa can benefit.
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cocolucho@tasto
Have you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves?
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I truly hope you are not a parent with a comment like that!
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@cocolucho@tasto
Have you ever considered whether our kids want education for themselves?
Not sure what abt your question, but someone related a sad story abt child in dire straits while politicians think life goes on while thing are getting tighter jobs&opportunities becoming few! Children'e eductaion is not a choice but a right and every sane person knows that education is the key to life not ancyl membership\leadership !!
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THEWHEELOFCHANGE
I am sick and tired of Gwede hiporcricy, when they fired he was on on record saying that it does mean that Malema cannot come to his funeral and associate with them(ANC) in the future and Malema is entlitled to do 67 minutes like any SA citizen. therefore it was not ANC day "it was Mandela day".There was an outcry by the nation regarding Limpopo text book saga, Did SA hear Gwede or ANC NEC buck? No. South African are not stupid. 2014 shall set us free.
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Tikoloshe
somaartakeitStop supporting this Mpondo woman....your partiality to your tribe is obscuring your objective thinking today Somaartakeit.
You're a smart lady like all us here on Big Brother (Sowetan Live) know but now your thinking today is a bit cloudy!!!!!!!
....Maybe it's Friday syndrome!!!
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Cl!ck
@ Bra007I said "Toilet-paper" and not "News-paper" Barack.. In lamens terms, what you wrote can be very usefull to flush down.. An environmentally friendly advise.. So you are married??
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DA-DBN-GUY
THEWHEELOFCHANGEDid you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books?
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@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them?Report Abuse
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@Cl!ckYawn!!!
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Msola321
@Buc4lifeMsola321
@Buc4life
Question: How will ppl benefit from nationalisation?
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The funds can be used for Education, Electricity, Health, etc which can benefit the me and you unlike the money going out of the country for people who dont even care about us but our resources. There are many mines where I come from but I never benefited any thing from those mines. Let the ppl own the mines and owners give back to community by giving ppl skills
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Let me rephrase the question; how can the gap between rich & poor be narrowed? How can nationalisation be applied so that the poor benefit, considering that at the moment there are vast inequalities. How do u give mines to uneducated community. they are not going to know what to do with mines and farms? How do upskill ppl who dont know how to read or write(at least some of them dont)
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This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not..
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weneedeconomicfreedom
Malema said nothing about Limpopo text book saga. I remember he stood up whe TUT was in chrisis at some point but at the end he had to appologise for saying "fake accent".Report Abuse
DA-DBN-GUY
somaartakeitAS ASTUTE AND BRILLIANT AS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! You ever decide to run for office let me know cos I will be your first member!
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truthhurt
People should stop hating on Mam Winnie Mandela,We all know that Tata Nelson Mandela is who he is today because of that woman and she deserves some respect.Her bedroom drama is none of anyones business.
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Cl!ck
@ Bra007Be sure you close your mouth properly then.. Don't want your gruesome saliva deposits stuck on your bosses keyboard he so hardly invested in.. Ok??
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cocolucho
@tastoThe only reason why I question whether our kids value education is because of how they approach it.
I dont think that sa kids take education seriously and i'm wondering if that has to do with the fact that education is a right, that they feel entitled to but dont exercise the responsibility that comes along with it.
In other words when good education is a scarce resource, people value it more. I was thinking about becoming a teacher, I've wanted to be one for years, but observing how teachers are treated by sa kids and society in general I was discouraged and at the moment i'm considering teaching in other african countries for a pittance only because education is valued by parents and children
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somaartakeit
@Msola321 how can you even suggest that we continue to discuss? we spent already 18yrs discussing and negotiating, there's nothing further to discuss, what we need is regime change now! if we are to realise our dream of a better life for all, and when we have a new regime we must not make same mistake we did with anc, we must not take a back seat and let politicians make decisions for us, we must be at the driving seat and chuck out any politician who carries over to the new regime corruption tendencies,@Tikoloshe lol sorry you feel I am defending Winnie, but I feel that bad as she maybe, she has some of the good features, for starters were it not for Winnie's efforts anc wld have been obsolete but like a woman she is/was she kept the fires burning, she inspired many to never give up on struggle for liberation, she gave us hope back then, cause for someone who had lost that much not only in material but of her dignity but she continued fighting yoo in that woman, in Xhosa we say, kwaguga inja ebiluma,
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VIVA ANC, VIVA SACP, VIVA COSATUCOMRADE JACOB ZUMA FOR PRESIDENT (SECOND TERM)
Comrade Winnie is continously showing signs of being confused. Her what she is doing will tarnish even the little bit of her known good credentials. No wonder why tata Madiba parted ways with her...
The expelled rhetoric and unruly Juju will be more confused because he thinks Mangaung will save him. Instead Mangaung will put the final nail on his coffin and his political future will totally diminish.
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Msola321
@somaartakeit@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them?
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I 100% Agree with you Anc has failed us a lot, By voting out them out of gov is not a right solution for now let them continue with what they started, give ANC new shoes by electing honest and energetic leaders. Bringing in a new party it will take us back ward
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Mgaraji
THEWHEELOFCHANGEI am sick and tired of Gwede hiporcricy, when they fired he was on on record saying that it does mean that Malema cannot come to his funeral and associate with them(ANC) in the future and Malema is entlitled to do 67 minutes like any SA citizen. therefore it was not ANC day "it was Mandela day".
There was an outcry by the nation regarding Limpopo text book saga, Did SA hear Gwede or ANC NEC buck? No. South African are not stupid. 2014 shall set us free.
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Jeff Hadebe remarked on Limpompo books.Referring to as national shame.
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@DBNDAGuy thanks for the vote of confidence, but I ONLY am a visitor in politics am in private business politics is something I do as a social responsibility but I am confident that there are many more astute young ppl with education who will help us steer the ship to the right direction, in Mazibuko we trust:-)Somaar signing off for real,
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Msola321This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not..
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Like the anc did with SABC, DENEL, ESKOM, SAA, SPOORNET etc etc! All these state owned entities are in financial and administrative turmoil and needed public fund bail outs. What makes you so sure the same wont happen to the mines? Think my friend you are allowed to! The anc is greedy and corrupt and will NEVER filter down funds to the poor or needy. This they have shown for the past 18 years with their failure to provide adequate housing, employment, safety, services and by destroying our education and health care service. My friend you are living in a dream world if you think the anc is ever going to change or give a dam about the plight of the poor. If they did they wouldnt even consider a R2BILLION jet for Zoom Zoom.
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@ Bra007Alfred Ntombhela (Mad-Buddies) look-alike.. Nx
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Danielrjvvuren
Are we on Economic emancipation again? Fallacy of a dieing political party. Counting on the government to "free" you is never going to happen. Catch a wake up! Do it for yourself rather. People waiting for the big economic freedom in "our time" wont happen, can't happen and how on earth it will be facilitated is beyond me.Report Abuse
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Cl!ck@ Bra007
Be sure you close your mouth properly then.. Don't want your gruesome saliva deposits stuck on your bosses keyboard he so hardly invested in.. Ok??
Hahahahahha..better ask before you comment, i'm one of the partners at one of the most prestigious intellectual property and corporate law firm in Sandton...I'm also the BOSS!!!, you are narrow minded!!! i won't argue with you because i don't think you've reached my standards...go and talk crap with your fellows
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DA-DBN-GUYTHEWHEELOFCHANGE
Did you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books?
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my point exactly, why focusing on issue that are not of important to the masses(Malema included)
because the current leadership or the new leadership needs a moral compass we are deprived these principles from the current leadership. We really need courageous leadership who will walk their talk without fear or favour… we are thirsty of such leadership.
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@Msola again couldn't resist, no we must elect ppl who are without a baggage, most anc leaders now running or aspiring to be president of the country are tainted, Msola you must please understand that a leader who has a baggage can not give us his/her everything, cause he is always going to be afraid of skeletons falling out of his closet, we must not settle for less that what we deserve if the anc can't provide untainted leaders then they don't deserve to continue taking us into obscurity, its almost 2 decades since they took over power, they did more harm than good with their corruption escapades, the mess they have put us in is going to need our everything, and sometimes having to work selflessly, to build unity cause we need to pull all our human resources together, the anc has proven beyond reasonable that they haven't got a leader who can achieve this for us, cause as I remember Zuma was sold to us as a unifier, he can't even keep it together in his province, never-mind the country, main issue for me his indecisiveness is what is destroying any efforts, his indecision on the WC gang violence is another issue, how can he waltz off to china whilst we need urgent solution to quel violence which is destroying families/lives? what is priority for this person? zuma is not fit to be our president.Report Abuse
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@ Bra007And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
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Msola321@somaartakeit
@Msola in your comment above, sorry couldn't resist as I've already said my farewells for the week-end but I must respond to you, if you say we (meaning the citizens) must discuss ways to make economic emancipation a reality, can I take it you also realise that the anc has lost the 18yr old plot to deliver us? Then it wld make sense to vote them out of gov, cause they came in with policies promises to deliver the masses from bondages of poverty, instead post 1994 poverty in SA is at an all time highest? so anc is failing so why should htey get another term to fail? Listen Msola when your running shoes are broken/torn, will they still provide you with support and protection (for your feet) to complete your marathon? I say lets get new running shoes (read new party) for this marathon and discard old shoes cause really they are no use for us to complete this race, lets get real, and be emotional and sentimental about stuff, its time to divorce ourselves from abusive relationship we have with anc regime, to lie to the ppl and give them false hope its emotional abuse, to steal from ppl who themselves are struggle to make ends meet is to be a criminal against these ppl, to use police to brutalise political opponents (as was the case during zuma's so called Mandela lecture in Limpopo) is physical abuse against our liberties and by extension to the nation, the anc security forces have already murdered Tatane, this is their own Hector Pieterson, now question how many must they murder before we sit up and take action against them?
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I 100% Agree with you Anc has failed us a lot, By voting out them out of gov is not a right solution for now let them continue with what they started, give ANC new shoes by electing honest and energetic leaders. Bringing in a new party it will take us back ward
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Who is not corrupt in the ANC? they must be voted out completely. The ANC is not run by an individual. So, even if its leader were to be honest, you have a whole bunch of incompetent, corrupt premiers, mayors, councillors at lower levels, who think that the country owes them because they fought the apartheid struggle.
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THEWHEELOFCHANGEDA-DBN-GUY
THEWHEELOFCHANGE
Did you hear anything from Malema regarding the Limpopo school books?
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my point exactly, why focusing on issue that are not of important to the masses(Malema included)
because the current leadership or the new leadership needs a moral compass we are deprived these principles from the current leadership. We really need courageous leadership who will walk their talk without fear or favour… we are thirsty of such leadership.
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And currently and in the foreseeable future the anc hasnt such people in their organisation! The anc have had their turn and screwed it up royaly and totally. I dont see how the masses can still be supportive of a party that has failed them year in and year out.
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Msola321Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change?
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FarCeSpotter
The ANC is becoming the best soapie in South Africa.I think it is time to get rid of them. !!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - Love it when corrupt politicians hide behind the "Innocent until guilty" stance.Even though, R30 billion dissapears out of the tax coffers every year, they are all 'innocent until proven guilty' :P
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Cl!ck
@ somaartakeitActually, I think @Bra007 needs a double-garage to "park" his brain a bit..
Barack Obama for SA President!!!!
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@DA-DBN-GUYMsola321
This what I said we need to disscuss about it and come up with productive way, we can’t afford to chase away skilled people who are running the Mines because we don’t have skills to do so which will result on the mines being closed down like what happened with Zuma’s nephew. So we need those owners to give us skills so certain period and then after that they can decide if they want to continue being the part of the management or not..
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Like the anc did with SABC, DENEL, ESKOM, SAA, SPOORNET etc etc! All these state owned entities are in financial and administrative turmoil and needed public fund bail outs. What makes you so sure the same wont happen to the mines? Think my friend you are allowed to! The anc is greedy and corrupt and will NEVER filter down funds to the poor or needy. This they have shown for the past 18 years with their failure to provide adequate housing, employment, safety, services and by destroying our education and health care service. My friend you are living in a dream world if you think the anc is ever going to change or give a dam about the plight of the poor. If they did they wouldnt even consider a R2BILLION jet for Zoom Zoom.
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I know ANC has failed us but they’re getting there, Im happy that nowdays our government is transparent in old days were not aware any corrupt activities which I was happening on Government. The devil “Corruption” has being in government since as long as a person is still running any instution the corruption will be still there. We so lucky because we have a great constution in the world if one commit crime one have to prosecuted. We have Public protector in place its her job to deal with such kind of people. I think the best the way lets all share let the mines benefit people not a certain individuals
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@ Bra007And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
Hehehe...if you could see how i look, the cars i'm driving, the property that i own...#don't mean to brag#
Don't worry i'll hire someone who knows the jobs...clearly you not getting clients no wonder you are commenting on news websites, mind you mina i'm taking a breaking from the research that i'm working on then off to a meeting @ 12 that is why ngila...#life-of-a-27-year-old#
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@DA-DBN-GUYMsola321
Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change?
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ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation, What need to be done is to elect new honest, energetic and performance based leaders. We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started.
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Msola321There is no ope for you my friend. So I suggest you stop complaining in future of how you dont have anything because you are empowering the anc to keep economic freedom from you.
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Msola321 - "We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started."OF COURSE we can. Rocket science wasnt required when the WCape switched from ANC to DA. Nor was rocket science required when the NP switched to ANC.
The only way to keep our democracy healthy, is by regularly switching between parties. First we need a two party democracy, and then we need a multi party democracy.
This ANC monopoly on our politics is unhealthy for South Africa.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation"You sound like an American, where according to their laws, Corporations are people, and are allowed the same freedoms and rights as people :P
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Msola321 - Even Motlanthe has some corruption dirt on his shoulders. Lucky for him, it was exposed, he repaid the money as a 'loan', to prevent any fallout. The landbank is merely a piggy bank for the top dawgs you see.Report Abuse
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@Msola, you anc supporters really need to stop comparing anc with apartheid, cause majority of blacks whose poverty status has since escalated post 1994 voted for a 'better life' promised by the anc, not by the Nat regimeo please be mindful of always quoting the Nat regime, and if their records have to be compared the anc still fails, how they fail compared to the Nat regime, at least the Nat regime provided security/jobs/education/basic health care for its constituent, in return these ppl were able to keep the country afloat with their taxes, now we have more unemployed depending on gov grants provided for over squeezed tax payers, what have SAn tax payers done to deserve this? I can understand that unemployed are provided for by shrinking tax base, but what I can't understand is that the very same shrinking tax base not only have fund luxurious lives of gov ministers, we also have to pay double on stuff which the gov is supposed to provide using our tax, such as school now private schooling if your children are to have better prospects is a necessity, private health, private transport you name it, so I put it to you, WTH are we paying these over inflated cheques and perks to gov ministers? IF you want to settle for less best cause you don't have standards to which you should hold your leaders against, then it is a problem for you, but the rest of us, owe it to ourselves and this country to elect competent leaders who know what htey are doing and or talking about and most importantly leaders who are not corrupt and less expensive than the current lot.Report Abuse
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@ Bra007Sounds to me like you're either inferior to the "life" you wish to have or just a lonely embicle who's soically deprived hence these unnecessary rants about what or whatever crap you drive or own.. As if you were asked..
But hey.. #That's the life of sitting behind a PC with character-like avators portraying you#
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@Msola321I know ANC has failed us but they’re getting there,
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huh??? They are getting worse!
Im happy that nowdays our government is transparent in old days were not aware any corrupt activities which I was happening on Government. The devil “Corruption” has being in government since as long as a person is still running any instution the corruption will be still there.
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That may be true, but the things were still run effectively- there was never such scandals in the old governement like textbooks and R20b road tolling etc.
You are biased and blind!!
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaMsola321 - "We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started."
OF COURSE we can. Rocket science wasnt required when the WCape switched from ANC to DA. Nor was rocket science required when the NP switched to ANC.
The only way to keep our democracy healthy, is by regularly switching between parties. First we need a two party democracy, and then we need a multi party democracy.
This ANC monopoly on our politics is unhealthy for South Africa.
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There is nothing which have changed in western cape, black ppl are still not getting services in township like Gugulethe
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Bloggers (Nkandla nation) please stop to blog in Zulu.We understand that Mr Zuma is trying hard to convert RSA into Zulu land,but we cannot some of us read zulu very well. You are allowed to blogg in Zulu in Nkandla,why you donot chek its news paper.Report Abuse
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Would you keep taking back your wife if she cheated on you every year and promised she wont do it again and will change? i doubt you would so why would you want to keep supporting a party that cheats you every year and promises to not do it again and change?
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ANC is not an individual so you can’t compare an individual with an Organisation, What need to be done is to elect new honest, energetic and performance based leaders. We can’t tolerant to get new party in the government let them continue with what they started.
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Once again you fail to grasp the idea i was trying in vain to portray. Good luck to you and your future under the new oppressors. And you shouldnt copy and paste on the same blog as it tends to make you look stup!d
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and Msola I think its disingenuous for you to say the previous gov was not transparent and all that you charge them with, considering that most black SAns lived in homelands and we voted those leaders in the homelands, some of whom were better delivering the good than the anc eg in former Ciskei, and from what I heard Bop, and in the homelands then existed some of the best run gov schools and clinics, now what is anc's excuse to not deliver given that they have a humongous budget than homeland chiefs?:Report Abuse
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Msola321
@FarCeSpotter
That may be true, but the things were still run effectively- there was never such scandals in the old governement like textbooks and R20b road tolling etc.
You are biased and blind!!
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That time Media was not having freedom as much has they have today, remember we're getting all this information from the media.
Why are you saying m bias and blind coz Im not taking sites in here but only speaking the truth
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@somaartakeitand Msola I think its disingenuous for you to say the previous gov was not transparent and all that you charge them with, considering that most black SAns lived in homelands and we voted those leaders in the homelands, some of whom were better delivering the good than the anc eg in former Ciskei, and from what I heard Bop, and in the homelands then existed some of the best run gov schools and clinics, now what is anc's excuse to not deliver given that they have a humongous budget than homeland chiefs?:
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Do you have any ideas who was doing business with Govermnet that time only minority benefited
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Mgaraji
If what is written in the book Capitalist Nigger is true then the whole black society needs to do a soul searching stop the blame game. Yes the illiterate and the poor are a burden and we can go on throwing stones and damning them as we are not part of them. Issues raised in book Capitalists Nigger begs the question what have educated black people done for their black society. Educated people's contribution is limited to good speeches, good piece of writings and articulate comments that are never tested in practise. Educated people should be the pilar of strength for the poor and the illiterate but educated people have failed to gain trust of the illiterate and the poor. Looking at the black society as a whole, even if all Africans were to be educated little if not none will change. Weaknesses highlighted on that book are directed at the educated black africans but for the fear of facing our weaknesses we turn a deaf ear and blind eyes for the easy targets illiterate and the poor.An easy route for Africans to qualify as pseudo academia or Intelligentsia is simple lash at the illiterate and poor. What have educated Africans done for Africa beyond their individual achievement?
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Bra007@ Bra007
And I'm a Wedding Planner.. *Bravo*!!!.. Still doesn't change the fact that you're 2c short from being a R1..
Hehehe...if you could see how i look, the cars i'm driving, the property that i own...#don't mean to brag#
Don't worry i'll hire someone who knows the jobs...clearly you not getting clients no wonder you are commenting on news websites, mind you mina i'm taking a breaking from the research that i'm working on then off to a meeting @ 12 that is why ngila...#life-of-a-27-year-old#
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Is this not a Comrade who once sevierly insulted Comrade Mamphele Ramphele, he used to brag about cars a lot as well, he re-surfaced again with a different name but still with 007, I think his previous blog name was 7000000, so now this ''clever'' chap is back by foolish demand!
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Bra007
@Cl!ckI went to Thomas Moore College in Kloof, Durban... then to UCT for my B Bus Sc LLB undergrad, certificate in intellectual property @ Wits and cerficate in Corporate Law @ UKZN...I won't prove anything to you, we're not friends and why would i lie??? (awkward)...believe what you want to believe, am not bothered anyway.
@Secretary, we are not ashamed to use our languages, and please don't associate Z*ulus with N*kandla...you're just a pathet*ic tribalist, we won't entertain you..Sizokhuluma NOMA unngathini!
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Bra007
@MicaParisWhat??? sorry dear...I'm Bra007 from Durban but leaving in Johannesburg
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Cl!ck
@ Bra007Good for your ancestors.. Now go make us 340 sandwiches.. We're busy here!!
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FarCeSpotter
Msola321I am now almost half my life into post apartheid South Africa. I was a child at the height of the apartheid regime, so perhaps my memory has faded, but I cannot recall anything of the abuse of tax money ever happened in the pre -ANC era.
So I doubt that you can make a statement claiming that it was as bad or worse then. Hence you are either biased and or blind to the truth. ANC is corrupt and is not delivering to the voters what they should. That that after 18 years. And it is getting worse by the day.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Msola321 - "There is nothing which have changed in western cape, black ppl are still not getting services in township like Gugulethu"The people are better off under WCape DA, then what they were under WCape ANC. In fact, they are better off than most other townships in the rest of ANC provinces.
We could use the toilet saga as an example.
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1937
Orlando Pirates is the seatbelt in your cars. Without it you're doomed!Report Abuse
Tasto
@Mgaraji - I beg to differ with you & hope you didn't deduced a conclusion that is incorrect from the book.My take from that book is to disrespect patent laws and steal whatever you call other peole's ideas or inventions!!Report Abuse
Oska
So what is the promblem if she considers Juju as her grandson? Gwede please leave Madikizela - Mandela alone, the apartheid abused her enough, don't you think so Mr Secretary-general ????Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Msola321 even now ONLY anc cadres and their families are benefiting from the current regime, so what is your point exactly? and even if minorities benefited at least they put that tax to good use, take a look at Gov hospitals namely Baragwanath, did you know that SA airports are the best in Africa, guess who built that infrastructure for the anc to inherit and run it aground like they do with everything else? SA's national roads used to be ranked amongst the best in the world, most apartheid RDP houses are still standing proud and housing generations after generations whilst anc RDP houses are falling to pieces, I said don't make comparisons cause you will immediately embarrass anc, and cause many now will appear to be defending apartheid regime( which is not the case), just swallow your pride and cut your loses and admit that ANC IS A GIGANTIC FAILURE cause your denialism and hope that they will result in you and many others like you living as mere peasants in this country, and prolonging your own suffering, cause you want to settle for less than you deserve.Caution: in the future please try not compare anc to the nat regime, cause that can only serve to highlight anc's gigantic pitfall.
Ooh on another perspective, look at all African countries who gained independence 30yrs+ ago also who were lead by liberation movements like anc, all of them have turned into a pile of dust their leaders receive basic health care in foreign countries,
Do you know the other day, we were having a discussion, and this of lack of infrastructure in Africa particularly the horn of Africa came into, a guy from that area, he is a gov min in Eritrea said, 'wh!tes left too early in Eritrea' otherwise if they stayed longer as they did in SA, Eritrea wld have same infrastructure as SA has today, it was at that moment I realised the uselessness of the leaders in Africa, and in case you didn't know Eritrea generates most refugees in Africa, most them are scattered in unmarked graves in the Sahara Desert, as htey try to flee Eritrea into Israel for a better life, hence I said the other day, the AU is one of the most shockingly useless organisations in the world. Ooh you might want to know that Eritrea, Ethiopia (AU HQ) Somalia the populace there are on a permanent drip of handouts from the UN, soon China will be the feeders. I feel so so ashamed that African with all her potential and resources has been reduced to just being mere beggers on the global stage, only because citizens in this continent fail to elect competent leaders who will work in the interests of their countries, but are self serving to the detriment of their subjects.
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Tasto
Ppl he is some excerpt from the book "W.hite tribe of Africa" - the NATS had a plan for their particular group unlike the current Ruining Party that is more concern abt elections\vote buying (t-shirts, food parcels) :"The critique of dependency
The Commission is convinced that much of the assistance is given in
such a way as to have a demoralizing effect on poor whites and so
increases the difficulty of their rehabilitation. It causes loss of
independence and may imbue them with a sense of inferiority, impairs
their industry, weakens their sense of personal responsibility, and helps
to make them dishonest.
‘the worst signs of spineless dependence’
were manifest among the rural poor with respect to ‘free’ education (Malherbe,
1932: 259). Education was the chief means of challenging dependency, but free
education bred dependency. Malherbe therefore recommended that serious
consideration be given to requiring parents to contribute to the costs of their
children’s schooling. He also wrote of the ‘spineless dependence on charity’
that resulted from temporary employment schemes"
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somaartakeit
speaking of African leaders receiving basic health care abroad, Mugabe gets his cancer treatment from Singapore I believe, as we speak Eritrean gov minister is being treated for an undisclosed illness in Belgium prolly from some living large associated disease, can you imagine how desperate things must be for the ordinary citizens in those countries? I heard from an Eritrean student I sponsor that in Eritrea you will be very lucky to get stuff like canestern which normally one can get over the counter, from the pharmacists? the doctors in Eritrea don't even blood tests equipment to effectively diagnose patients, I also understand that vets also consult human patients as there is a severe lack of doctors, and a child born in the horn Africa has even less chance of living till his/her first birthday, that is how those former liberators have f@cked medical infrastructure in that country, oh regarding bread, yes the one that here in SA you take for granted, in Eritrea you can't chose you have to take what's rationed to you by the gov, ooh their gov follows communist ideas I was told.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Selebi is out of medical parole :P The dude who sold out our police force and justice to a bunch of Russian thugs, is a free man.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Tasto lets put it this way the anc leaders in fact all liberation movement leaders have no long term goals they don't understand investment, they only live for now, if they understood investment, they would ensure good quality and affordable education for everyone, they would ensure basic health care for everyone, cause human resources is the major resource every country worth its salt will do all in its power to develop.Did you know in some African countries girl children are not allowed to have education? In other words in these countries, they operate on only 50% of their human resources capacity, how can we believe that this continent will ever be great as it should be whilst being lead by primitive and backward chauvinists?
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Buc4life
somaartakeitspeaking of African leaders receiving basic health care abroad, Mugabe gets his cancer treatment from Singapore I believe, as we speak Eritrean gov minister is being treated for an undisclosed illness in Belgium prolly from some living large associated disease, can you imagine how desperate things must be for the ordinary citizens in those countries? I heard from an Eritrean student I sponsor that in Eritrea you will be very lucky to get stuff like canestern which normally one can get over the counter, from the pharmacists? the doctors in Eritrea don't even blood tests equipment to effectively diagnose patients, I also understand that vets also consult human patients as there is a severe lack of doctors, and a child born in the horn Africa has even less chance of living till his/her first birthday, that is how those former liberators have f@cked medical infrastructure in that country, oh regarding bread, yes the one that here in SA you take for granted, in Eritrea you can't chose you have to take what's rationed to you by the gov, ooh their gov follows communist ideas I was told.
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African leaders waste resources then they want to blame everyone for that. SA will go the same route if we continue to vote the ANC to power. The Mugabes leave their poor countries then they go get treatment elsewhere, meanwhile they are the ones responsible for the poor infrastructure.
Africa, compared to the West, is far behind, not that we do not have resources, because the leaders do not have interests of the people at heart.
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@ Buc4lifeHi..
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somaartakeit
@WakeUpSouthAfricasomaartakeit - Selebi is out of medical parole :P The dude who sold out our police force and justice to a bunch of Russian thugs, is a free man.
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You have to give it to the anc regime, they are at least consistent in being blatantly embarrassing and encouraging corruption which is scores millions in this country to be destitute, btw I am not surprised by the release of selepe as since when, any leader of anc ever really spent time in jail for corruption crimes and other crimes? anc is a personification of corruption, the sooner we all come to terms with this fact the sooner will get our @rses into gear and boot them out of office.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Our president is a chauvinist. And I just love how the 'culture' defense pops up every time to defend him.Report Abuse
Buc4life
Msola321where are you? Have you run out of words to defend your leaders? Surely, if u believe in them that much, you cannot run away now?
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Buc4life
Cl!ck@ Buc4life
Hi..
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go!
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Tasto
@somaartakeit - You have to give it to the anc regime, they are at least consistent in being blatantlyHa ha ha ha ha h no go home u said you were leavin already!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Hey, my arse is in gear. Just waiting for the rest of the country to WakeUp :PIts funny though, how all the clerks and low managers get arrested for corruption. While the top dawgs evade justice (Zuma/Ace etc), and even the guilty ones evade justice (medical parole).
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Tasto
Pll I onced listened to TimModise interviewing some1 on MetroFM - they drew parrallel comparison between Austrilian aborigines&Afrikaaners in depressing 1930s.One hit the bottle and the other chose education(Afriakaans schools,Universities,Technikons, etc - Afrikaans satelite in Orbit).Even the current regime want to claim the Afrikaner achievement as SAn!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Buc4lifesomaartakeit
"African leaders waste resources then they want to blame everyone for that. SA will go the same route if we continue to vote the ANC to power" it is on that path already, did you not read reports about cancer patients? do you not see stats about high infant mortality rate? Do you not see how many young SA's are dying of mostly treatable diseases? Have you not noticed sex crime which has escalated, does it not make you think of Congo?
"The Mugabes leave their poor countries then they go get treatment elsewhere, meanwhile they are the ones responsible for the poor infrastructure" I heard that one of them Mugabe fat cats has forked out 185mil to buy property in SA, these African thieving leaders are so confident in their thieving ways they don't believe anything could happen to them, hence zuma and his 64mil spending spree in Inkandla and now this minister, and then there was Tokyo's spending spree b@ying an island in some African country forgotten what country it was, and all this opulence is happening whilst millions live in abject poverty and some die in capsized boats or murdered by human organs traffickers as they try to escape poverty in Africa, it is really a very very frustrating and humiliating situation that we have barbarians like these as leaders who don't care about our well being.
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somaartakeit
okay now if I don't get home in the next 30mins my family will disown me, lol so I must now dash,Report Abuse
FarCeSpotter
WakeUpSouthAfricaWhile the top dawgs evade justice (Zuma/Ace etc),
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Have you heard that the NPA is in contempt of court for not being able to deliver all the documents that was used to withdraw the charges against Zuma.
I do not think that the average voter out there understands how rotten the ANC really is. Sad!
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WarrenG
Yip it's time to cut this lady loose. Julius is her concubine, toyboy.I think she's fiddling with Floyd too
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Tasto
@somaartakeit - add also Mugabe crony buying a R30million property in CampsBay-CT nogal !few years back!Report Abuse
Cl!ck
@ Buc4lifeCan't wait.. Next week, your gravy-train ride ends.. Dead in it's tracks!!.. *Ok, not here now* :)
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Sleezy
Buc4lifeCl!ck
@ Buc4life
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go!
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OMG.. You'd rather opt for a loser like clicks? What a waste girl. So disappointed and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels like this!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
FarCeSpotter - "Have you heard that the NPA is in contempt of court for not being able to deliver all the documents that was used to withdraw the charges against Zuma."Id be surprised if those documents even exist :P
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Cl!ck
@ Buc4life
Hi..
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Hello Sweets. It`s me & u next week; 28/07. M prepared to let this one go!
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OMG.. You'd rather opt for a loser like clicks? What a waste girl. So disappointed and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels like this!
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Me & Click come from far together. sorry.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Man U vs Ajax later today...GGGGOOO AAAAAJJJJAAAAXXXX!!!!
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Cl!ck@ Buc4life
Can't wait.. Next week, your gravy-train ride ends.. Dead in it's tracks!!.. *Ok, not here now* :)
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Gravy train ride is this government you voted in. Not us. But, anyway, will see. Remember we have bragging rights till you are double triple champions.
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RobinH
Man, the old lady is senile and loves the idea of a hunk of male flesh on her arm. Pathetic old has been crone.Report Abuse
Cl!ck
@ Sleezy........... Let me rather not waste unnecessary energies.......... *Head hung down*
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Tasto
@MgarajiIf what is written in the book Capitalist Nigger is true then the whole black society needs to do a soul searching stop the blame game. Yes the illiterate and the poor are a burden and we can go on throwing stones and damning them as we are not part of them. Issues raised in book Capitalists Nigger begs the question what have educated black people done for their black society. Educated people's contribution is limited to good speeches, good piece of writings and articulate comments that are never tested in practise. Educated people should be the pilar of strength for the poor and the illiterate but educated people have failed to gain trust of the illiterate and the poor. Looking at the black society as a whole, even if all Africans were to be educated little if not none will change. Weaknesses highlighted on that book are directed at the educated black africans but for the fear of facing our weaknesses we turn a deaf ear and blind eyes for the easy targets illiterate and the poor.
An easy route for Africans to qualify as pseudo academia or Intelligentsia is simple lash at the illiterate and poor. What have educated Africans done for Africa beyond their individual achievement?
The problem is not abt Educated black its about not doing enuf on crime but turning a blind eye to corruption unlike in India,China,Asia,SouthAmericas where you even face death penatly for corruption.But in Africa corruption is an INDUSTRY on its own - leaders rich than the state Idi Amin, Sani Abacha, Gaddafi,Mobutu Seseko,Mugabe,JZ,Jean-.etc ran out of space to list them ALL .
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Madyeke
Please, People don't behave as if the ANC was formed by Julius Malema. Because always People think dat if one trangresses or goes out of the ANC constitution the ANC leadership must just keep quiet because there is Mangaung in December. Malema is a factory faults and he is a liability in the ANC. Please People, those of you whom you have appointed yourself @ be Malema Ill-disceplined spokesperson just forget it.Report Abuse
McLoving
Hey guys ,nice to wake up to such excellent comments.Very good and great comments and debate.Oh I love it..I am enjoying reading ..keep up the good job...you rock.Report Abuse
Tikoloshe
somaartakeit.....hey bloggers, now that Somaartakeit has logged off I think she's got a crush on JZ.....but she's just trying to play hard to get.
...the time will come when she'll throw many compliments in his direction!!!!!
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Tikoloshe
somaartakeit"Tikoloshe lol sorry you feel I am defending Winnie, but I feel that bad as she maybe, she has some of the good features...."
.....ok, so you love our kids or you love those that murder them???
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Kgaitsedi-ya-Genaro
Winnie o rata bashanyana, mo tloheleng.Report Abuse
MicaParis
@RobinHMan, the old lady is senile and loves the idea of a hunk of male flesh on her arm. Pathetic old has been crone.
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Your knowledge of English usage is very powerful Comrade, you really can articulate yourself in the queens language as they call it!! That comment is meticulous and magnificent in content and value!
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FarCeSpotter
lol MicaReport Abuse
Droooooza
Uyanya logogo uyazi....Report Abuse
Mbongo
Now I understand why former President Thabo slap Winni with a hot clap, she is ill-discipline. Another thing, Winnie think she is above the ANC. Gwede must call Winnie and tell her that she is not the ANC but the member. That you were married to Tata and got divorced does not suggest that you are ANC because even Tata is not the ANC but a member who contributed like any other member.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Mbongo - Some members in the ANC are more equal than other members.Report Abuse
Droooooza
What is she teaching malema? that u can overturn the decision taken by the NEC and violate the ANC's constition..Report Abuse
RobinH
Mica. WHy thankyou. One tries. Nothing better than a well articulated put-down.Report Abuse
Sleezy
I really don't understand why well respected girls are fond of this clicks character? I fail to understand whether he has children or married in real-life? How could someone, during a normal day log onto a public platform and start uttering irrelevant comments about people he has no clue about?I'm taking this serious matter to authorities of Sowetan and webteam to permanently remove this clicks and others who aspire to be like him. To hell with so-called bullies, whereas us decent people try to engage on decent conversations. Screw this!
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RobinH
Sleezy. He is removed frequently and just resurfaces under a different alias.Report Abuse
Patsekg
So it is fine to commit fraud as long as you don't benefit from it, what a country we have. I never thought a judge who understands the law better can come up with that kind of judgement. That's why i now understand why judges should be scrutinised too. Some of the decisions they take leave us with lots of questions.Report Abuse
Sleezy
@RobinHSleezy. He is removed frequently and just resurfaces under a different alias.
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Then seriously, the Sowetan webteam enjoy these "bile" comments and others of his such. I thought the whole point of blogging was for knowledge sharing and learning. Ok, let me see how far I can go with this matter, and see what will be done thereafter.
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shaharazad
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MSG_S
Zuma against Winnie. What an interesting brawl this can be. I wish it could come to reality.DAMN!
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sh!tFaceSamsung
mantasheaccording to ur statement : it means JUJU is not allowed to 2b in a ceromony/funeral/party of any National Exceutive Commuty : bull SH!T
i would luv to teach uhow to shave with *cold* water : le matlo a nkakane
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MSG_S
Eish!But nowadays this mama has became old and tooth decayed to put a fight with Zuma. If it was 10 years ago, ja!. She would have put up a non stop fight with Zuma until he collapsed of exhaution.
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Mporoz
Ungraitfull Woman!Never trust a Dirviced woman!
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malemaforpresident
BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJUBOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU BOSO KE MANG KE JUJU come on lets sing alongReport Abuse
MommaC
SleezyIts a bit amusing to have someone who calls themselves 'sleezy' to be objecting to sleaze :)
He'll just re-register under a different name. I think the webmaster has given up on trying to get rid of him (and some others). Most of the time, Click is simply amusing but sometimes he does go a bit overboard
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mankata
this was not for anc but for mandela,ditedu please anc ase gago o le one le rena ke ya rena,tlogela bo tlaela mokgalabje mantasheReport Abuse
Mabetha
The Secretary General did not say Winnie musnt associate with the scum called Juju, they meet and do what ever they want freely, people must stop being emotional and missing the point. The issue is Winnie musn't bring Julius Malema into the ANC or discuss him in the ANC environment for he's not a member of the ANC he is an issue that was long dealt with. Why try and bring disrepute into the party with the scum that was long disowned. Stop having personal attacks on Mantashe and understand the rules of the party.Report Abuse
Wordoftruth
The ANC should quit acting so desperate. One would advise it to concentrate its efforts and energies on that which it has promised its voters in its manifesto.Hands off to Mother of the Nation, Hands off!
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moralett
Mother of the nation stand up confront all cards tell them that you are sorry, that's all. You know very well that Julius was expell from the organisation three month ago. So this is very simple say sorry to all cardsReport Abuse
Makhalisto
Umjolo, mama yeka umfana usencane, get your size/ageReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Mabetha pliz get it, Malema was at the Mandela NOT anc charity event as was millions other ppl around the world, and wrt Winnie Mantashe potential row, that goatee Mantashe better make sure he has his facts rights, cause Winnie is a formidable opponent and she plays to win and Mantashe better realise that the anc is NOTHING without the Mandela name, so all of them better kiss Winnie's feet and be nice boys.@Makhalisto, supposing and as you suggest Winnie was dating Malema, will she be hte first elder to date young person? As I remember correctly, Zuma bonked not once but twice daughters of his friends, and you ppl called him Skhoko, so please calm down with your anc chauvinistic tendencies cause they are so yester year!!!
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NNETEKEYONA
It is not a crime to be next to Malema. . . . Viva Mother of The Nation!!Report Abuse
choice
Eish if memory serves me well! Tata in his youth days was just like Juju, the older leaders are forgetting that u cannot make leaders in ur own light and corruption, they need to find themselves and they own skeletons, when they were fighting for the ANC did everyone agree with them? or did they find the will to fight regardless of personal outcome, there is a wind of change blowing and if the ANC elders are not watchful, they will get blown to the side, u want leaders that u can control for ur own gain! hayi never that! StussbobReport Abuse
PeterJames
Well What a surprise by Winnie Madikizela - remember she is no longer a Mandela. She has continued to use the Mandela surname for fame and politicking. Yet she complains about the ANC- how hypocritical. Now she is GOOD FRIENDS with Malema, oh no Malema is her Son or Grandson. May be Maleam is Winnie's son conceived with that lawyer of her, when she was unfaithful to Madiba while Madiba was is Jail. People do not forget about the very bad things that Winnie Madikizela did and was sentenced for about everything MURDER and CORRUPTION. No wonder she is now the birds of the same feather with Malema.Malema is an angry spoilt and corrupt boy who realised that he is not always going to get his way. So what does he do when the ANC, which by the way has disciplinary channels punishes he for crossing the line? He is attacking the President who was voted for by the people of Mzansi. People are not fools like this uneducated little brat who is corrupt and realises that now he is no longer enjoying the pecks of being in the ANCYL. It is good that the President has shown maturity and has not been moved by the insults painful as they are. I think the insults from Malema are worse than the Spear Picture. The President Should be respected and at least he is not a dictator like Gaddafi, and the Syrian President.
Winnie Madikizela should show that she is a mature old lady and MUST learn from Graca. Madikizela is arrogant. I am surprise that she had the guts to open a Child Centre considering the children that she murdered during the 1980s-1990s e.g. Stompie Moeketsie. This was when Malema was still in his nappies.
Tasto the word NIGGER is offensive and derogatory and racists. It MUST never be used and it does not matter whether it is said by a black person or not.
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OXOLOSI
Mantashe said he regarded Madikizela-Mandela's decision to support Malema as being ill-disciplined.Manje u Gwede udliwa yini ?Report Abuse
Izuz
Where was Mantahse when winie was risking her life for the disadvabtaged over so many years in southAfricans??????? DOES HE EVEN THING THAT WINIIE CARES what he says after Winnie's strugles in the the 1998's, 1990's... where does he get the "weight" to even mention her name in disrepute? seriously???... This is a joke... so many lousy wana beeee's have come up making irrelevant noise WHEN THEY HAVE NOT EARNED THEIR PLACE!!!! GWEDE MUST CALM DOWN or re- evaluate his self worth and the importance of his " bearings with th organisation" .. Gwede has not lost a thing over th eyears, not a parent or sibling to the struggle or has he even toiled with ordinary southafricans " at no stage" does he represent the plight of any youth or southAfricans... his position was secured by virtue of connections, exoedince and convenience... HE IS WORTH NOTHING!!! AND HE SHOULD KNOW THAT !Report Abuse
Izuz
..........................appologies for the typo.......what was meant was........Gwede's position was was secured by virtue of connections, expedincy and convenience... HE IS WORTH NOTHING!!! AND HE SHOULD KNOW THAT ......................DO NOT RAISE YOU UNWORTHY MOUTH TO ....PARENTS OF THIS NATION.....!!!!! EVER !!
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somaartakeit
@PeterJames you are a hypocrite of note, the likes of you didn't complain when Malema with encouragement from both zuma and mantashe insulted former state president, Helen Zille and Arch Bishop Tutu, why? Now that he is doing exactly everything that he learnt from zuma himself to zuma and mantashe you wanna cry foul? me thinks Malema is zuma's just deserts, wena accept that karma is a biatch.As for references to both political murders in your pathetic attempts at insulting Winnie, Winnie k!lled 2 how many did Inkatha with help of apartheid security forces k!l?, you might wanna ask Blade Nzimande former Inkatha guy.
As for your reference to Winnies and Dali Mpofu's affair, you should know that zuma does that a million times worse at least Winnie didn't claim to have taken a shower to rinse off hiv, whilst zuma risked lives of his wives and mistresses with his affair/rape of an hiv+ person, and stop being a hypocrite will you?
You are right about one thing though, ppl of SA are not fools we know that zuma was voted for by a bunch of morally bankrupts and imposed on the rest of hte nation as (a self serving) president.
You simply could never defend either zuma or mantashe they are the worse tainted anc leaders,
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