IRATE shack dwellers in Khayelitsha, Cape Town, are threatening to set fire to "all temporary toilets" in their area, claiming the structures are unhygienic.
LOL, so buuurn down your 'unhygenic' toilets, and then go back to 'sanitary' pit toilets. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Aquia
....And then they'll be crying that government is not doing anyhting for them and tat that they don't have toilets. So bayo kakela kae in the mean time? Bushes bushes..sis! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
swona
they will go to the bush! government must not replace these toilets! Report Abuse
I bet the person who instigated the match has a working toilet. Sadly (if you that way inclined) Helen has strong case now. I did my best and these people destroyed everything Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
sabza007
Idiots, where are you going to shiit now???? Shiit and Urine does not care its released on a permanent or temporary toilet. When shiit want go come out, you can't stop it. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
sabza007
Idiots, where are you going to shiit now???? Shiit and Urine does not care its released on a permanent or temporary toilet. When shiit want come out, you can't stop it. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Tikoloshe
....these people must get back on their Eastern Cape taxis and go back home to the corrupt Province of Xhosaland.
They come to other Provinces because the hyenas are stealing all the money and say "the ANC promised us houses....where are our houses" then make a strike and toyi toyi. arrest these people for publice violence.....taxpayers are sick of working just to have their stuff destroyed!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Maezizsto4Sure
masende
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kikikikikikikikiki ja neh Report Abuse
This is not acceptable behavior and the perpetrators of this must be brought to book. When you protest against service delivery it is important that you have a peaceful protest and that way; you may even get the general public support; but as things stands right now; this is pure lunacy!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Sandrab
Why can they not clean their toilets. The weekend newspapers reported that they complained of unhygienic conditions. Surely they can keep the toilets clean Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
cornelius
The ANC councillor of the area could not even be found, but the ANC wants to take over the province, hahaha. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
So the community rather goes to the bushes instead of the temporary toilets? Is the bush more hygienic or am i missing something here? Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
lindsay
yeah let the government build them proper houses then they will sell them to Zimbabwean and Nigerians and then demand again these lazy mudafuckers Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MommaC
They CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.
Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies- Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
MommaC
They CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.
Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies-
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Certainly our people are their own worst enemies and this the ruling party is taking full advantage of to sustain themselves at the top!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MommaC
MGEEZ
Its called 'politics', Promise the sun and the moon and deliver a handful of dirt.
From what I've seen, its a world wide problem. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
Last week the people from the Cape Flats made a big fuss over gangsterism and we were told it is not the DA’s responsibility and Zille even wrote a letter in record time pushing responsibility to the army which I have no problem with.
These people have been without toilets for a very long time and the fact that you have these movable communal toilets means there is no pressure on the provincial government to act even demonstrations will not yield much. It is a tough one but I understand the logic, they are sending a message that they don’t want these toilets for a number of reasons.
More importantly these people have been waiting for housing for a very long time, if the ground they occupy is not suitable for housing then what is the DA government doing to identify suitable housing and building houses for these people since they claim to deliver?
Ask these people if the WC is the best run province they will look back at you with blank faces, best in what exactly they will ask you.
MommaC
They CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.
Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies-
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So where do you suggest they should go rather?
... and if provincial government is aware that the land they occupying is unsuitable for human occupation then what have they done to find alternatives and more importantly find a lasting solution?
Certainly our people are their own worst enemies and this the ruling party is taking full advantage of to sustain themselves at the top!!!
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This is a province run by the DA. Unlike the not so cushy portfolio of policing and DA takes all the credit for houses built in the province so they need to own all the failures, this is one of the failures and guess who is on the receiving end.
We need to understand why people are migrating before we can make some silly or colonial comments about their pain and suffering because this country belongs to everyone who leaves in it so please don't come with colonial mentality in our country. I'm not disputing the factor that the same people need to learn to control their anger because, destroying what is temporary allocated to them it's just pure stupidity.... So please quite now with colonial remarks. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MommaC
Haai mense!!!!
Why so hard to comment now? Give us a list of banned words so we can work around them Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MommaC
Dzel
Dunno Dzel. I have only heard about the situation as I'm not in CapeTown. The 1ocals have told them all not to build there as it will flood and the standard response seems to be "then we will get houses quicker".
We have it in Gauteng too. They just won't listen to reason Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
To all those who are accusing this community of entitlement how many of you have had to use a portable toilet shared with at least a hundred other residents?
What is the occupant to toilet ratio?
I hate using the blurry things in one day events just imagine forced to using this all the time even at night when you risk being robbed or raped. This is not the level of service we should be giving to our people. It goes against the principle of treating your citizens with dignity. While destruction of property can never be justified but when the object of the attack is exactly what prevents you from getting proper ablution facilities then I understand the logic.
I think we would do well to try putting ourselves in their shoes, I too would be fed up.
Dunno Dzel. I have only heard about the situation as I'm not in CapeTown. The 1ocals have told them all not to build there as it will flood and the standard response seems to be "then we will get houses quicker".
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They have been living under these conditions for over 10 years.
I would like to believe they would have moved elsewhere had there been more suitable location. It is one thing to tell someone to move, it is another to provide them with a place to move to.
One gets the sense these are "unwanted refugees" hence little is being done for them. Yes I am well aware that the DA only took over in 2009 but they have controlled the city much longer.
So what do you suggest we do? Build houses and sewage lines on unstable ground, on flood plains or on ground that is contaminated with uranium simply because the people decided that they wanted to live there? Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MommaC
Dzel
Look. I couldn't give a tinkers who is in charge and making this a political point scoring exercise is not productive. Those people have enough problems with being used as political pawns by the politicians. Let us just agree that politicians are all bloodsuckingscumbags and look at the problem instead. CapeTown has a water table problem. If the IFP, ACDP or KISS party took over, it would still be a geological issue.
To the best of my knowledge, the people were told to move to another area but they don't want to as it is further away from the industrial area (and therefore any job prospects). I am not sure about what transport was promised to them but it would be irrelevant as most of them couldn't afford transport anyhow.
Dzel
So where do you suggest they should go rather?
... and if provincial government is aware that the land they occupying is unsuitable for human occupation then what have they done to find alternatives and more importantly find a lasting solution?
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If you know the procedure you would know that any land redistribution or allocation must be approved by provincial government, maybe before pointing fingers, find out where the process are.
It was not to long ago that the DA said they would have been able to move more people from unsuitable areas if the national government was not so slow in processing the requests. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
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I meant, must be approved by the national government Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
MommaC
So what do you suggest we do? Build houses and sewage lines on unstable ground, on flood plains or on ground that is contaminated with uranium simply because the people decided that they wanted to live there?
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No, find suitable land and build the houses there.
How does the fact that the land they currently occupy is not suitable stopping the province from identifying land that is suitable so they can build the houses there.
Sorry, I had some trouble posting so the next post of mine says more about that Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
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If you know the procedure you would know that any land redistribution or allocation must be approved by provincial government, maybe before pointing fingers, find out where the process are.
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Again we are back to pointing fingers at national government. Well I know the process and I know municipalities are responsible for approving the township proclamation process. Some unions have been given land on which to build houses and this is done by province.
The DA has been in power since 2009, when was the request for permission made.... lets start there and since you know so much please tell me where in the process are we exactly.
Never start a response by saying "if you knew..." because it assumes an elevated level of understanding which I am sure you have no right to claim.
Dzel, reading your comments yes I have the right to claim it, that is why I said you must maybe find out where the process is.
Regarding pointing fingers at national government, it is so easy, they deserve it in every other place they have their corrupt, fat little fingers in.
Land will only be distributed or allocated if approved by national government, yes the municipalities must hand in the desired areas, then it will go to provincial government,, but at the end of the day it is the big cheese from the national government who must approve this. Believe me, been involved in a process like this for a community in Mpumalanga, unless this changed in the last year which I definitely doubt. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
MommaC
Look. I couldn't give a tinkers who is in charge and making this a political point scoring exercise is not productive. Those people have enough problems with being used as political pawns by the politicians.
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We first need to agree that the facilities they have been using are unacceptable, no human deserves to be reduced to these standards.
Then we need to agree that there is little point in one party claiming to be better than the other when there is a disconnect in terms of race and earning power.
Lastly we need to stop this tendency of wanting to claim all positives and yet pushing away all negatives.
I would gladly give credit to a party that delivers equally to all its citizens but to see black people being treated like second class citizens who are expected to share unsanitary and unsafe abolition facilities is sad. To add salt to injury the DA argues that shanty towns are the future boggles the mind.
Let Zille and her family move to a shanty town if she thinks it is acceptable to for entire communities to live under such conditions, let her share a toilet with 50 other families then she can talk.
Okay,. if you want to make this into a racial and party political piddling contest then go ahead and I will just bow out of this right now. I have no interest in going there. I am not a political stooge and I really couldn't be bothered stooping that low.
See you on the flip side where sanity and humanity are more important that petty egos. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
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Dzel, reading your comments yes I have the right to claim it, that is why I said you must maybe find out where the process is.
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Trust me dude, I know way more than you do when it comes to housing. Don't assume anything.
It has flown over your head that the DA has ample time to request this land you claim they have requested and based on how long it would take it is absurd to blame national government unless you can say with a degree of certainty that yes this request was made on such and such a day.
Can you tell me if it was requested and when?
You think you have made a valid point by saying maybe they have so maybe it is national government's fault. Get your facts straight and we may have a point to debate. Maybes and probablies don't make a debate.
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I think that it is time that we take a pragmatic solution to this problem. No matter how many times government gives these people freebies; they are still going to end up on the streets toy toying for this thing or the other. We need to look at the root causes why these people are staying in these squatter camps (i can tell you right now, that poverty is not the main reason as some would immediately jump in response to my comments)?
We need a system that we can use to monitor the progress made by these people or families after they have been moved from a shack to an RDP house; because some of these people make their way back to these squatter camps. Government needs to embark on this root cause analysis; outlaw these establishments and systematical come up with the how and what is going to be done with the people that currently stay in such settlements.
We need solutions and not problems, good people!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - I can give you one reason why. One of the causes of the growing township pendemic in Cape Town, is because over a million people have moved from ECape to WCape living for employment and education. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LOL, is Dzel electioneering again?
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No, I am exposing hypocrisy which I am sure makes you uncomfortable.
Let's see Zille writing letters now but there is no one to pass the buck to.
We need to stop pretending the DA is perfect and assuming some people are st.upid if they have reasons NOT TO vote for the DA. They are a bunch of hypocrites who will do nothing for our people should they win elections, if anything they want to keep black people poor by implementing pro-business policies.
Dzel - Dude, you dont look at the facts presented before you. Its like when a dude has his leg broken. Dzel will be the dude shouting that he is a k@k soccer player all of a sudden.
Do you disagree that over a million unemployed folks moving to Cape Town puts strain on housing and employment? Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
MGEEZ
I think that it is time that we take a pragmatic solution to this problem. No matter how many times government gives these people freebies; they are still going to end up on the streets toy toying for this thing or the other. We need to look at the root causes why these people are staying in these squatter camps (i can tell you right now, that poverty is not the main reason as some would immediately jump in response to my comments)?
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Then what is the main reason, pray tell my brother. I can't think of anyone who lives in a shack by choice Report Abuse
Do you disagree that over a million unemployed folks moving to Cape Town puts strain on housing and employment?
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Its called logic. The situation is exactly the same with most economically active cities in SA, not just CT. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
lindsay
@Dzel
if you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "The situation is exactly the same with most economically active cities in SA, not just CT."
OH REALLY? So even Joburg is experiencing these issues (Double more service delivery protests than Cape Town).
So, maybe its not the DA's fault, like you have been ranting about? Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - Only problem with regards to CT, is that its not folks moving from rural to urban area. Its folks moving from OTHER cities (PE/EL) to CT. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
Dzel
You claim to be the master of most areas but i have yet to see you win any debate based on fact or merits. You simply spew out "facts" as you see them and as you pointed out last week you dont name your sources. When taking over an ailing business what is the first thing you do? Do you employ more staff or do you try and get the business back into full operation first? Yes they DA took over in 2009 and dont you agree that 3 years is not exactly enough time to bring the ailing province back to full health? The DA have the inept national government to contend with as well as local anc and cosatu officials hell bent on stalling progress in the province instead of working hand in hand. The anc couldnt get the country right in 18 years and you expect the DA to fix the anc mess in 3?
Nobody claims the DA is perfect but they are a better option than the anc!
Then of course there are the refugees from other province they have to deal with. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
DA-DBN-GUY - And then when you prove him wrong he #shakes his head in frustration# :P Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
lindsay
if you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da.
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... and how long has the DA run the city? Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
lindsay
@Dzel
if you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da.
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Unfortunately DZEL has selective reasoning skills and discounts anything the anc did in the province prior to the DA saving it. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
DA_DBN,
Please tell me we are not going to waste time on this "what is your source" line. You are free to dispute anything I post, worry about the merits of the debate not who the source is. Play the game, not the player dude.
Let me ease your mind, what source did you want. Identify what I said and I'll do my best to address this since it is obvious I will be hearing the "source" line for the next 5 years.
Dzel - "Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban?"
The CITY of Cape Town dude, thats one municipality. It doesnt account for any of the surrounding municipalities. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
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Dzel
Can you tell me if it was requested and when?
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Maybe you should go to the top and read my 1st comment slowly again, I think you suffer from selective reading, nowhere did I say that it was so, I said before you point fingers to the provincial government you must maybe go and check at which stage the proposals are. Please do me a favour, try to act like an adult. If you know so much about housing, why don't you even know this one basic that national gov. must approve things.
Dzel
Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban
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For which she was named the BEST MAYOR in the world. So she must be doing something right if she beat other international mayors. Something the ruling party will never be able to brag with. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
jnrb
Yeah! I am also going to set fire to my 1600 VW Golf because I don't get to drive around in a BMW 7 series like the Ministers of Govt.It makes a whole lot of sense beacuse the Freedom Charter said "There will be...." and I am still waiting for my BMW 7 series, 18 years after democracy. It is time for these people to start taking us seriously. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban?"
The CITY of Cape Town dude, thats one municipality. It doesnt account for any of the surrounding municipalities.
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Which municipality does Khayelitsha fall under?
Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude.
For which she was named the BEST MAYOR in the world. So she must be doing something right if she beat other international mayors. Something the ruling party will never be able to brag with.
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Do you know what the criteria was and how the adjudication was conducted?
If you do please share so we can see if it was deserved. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - I can give you one reason why. One of the causes of the growing township pendemic in Cape Town, is because over a million people have moved from ECape to WCape living for employment and education.
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That may be one of the reasons, however need I point out to you that I asked for solutions and not problems!!! Cape town has had squatter camps for a long time now and is not the only city that has squatter camps in this country; hence I am of the view that we need a pragmatic solutions instead of blame apportioning here; and i am still waiting!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Which municipality does Khayelitsha fall under?"
MGEEZ - Well, as for solutions, either ECape needs to up its game (Education and employment), or the ECape provincial government needs to allocate a portion of its budget to the WCape. That or national government needs to increase the budget of the WCape. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude."
@Dzel
MGEEZ
Then what is the main reason, pray tell my brother. I can't think of anyone who lives in a shack by choice
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Your approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic. My view is that an informed answer to that question would be the product of the scientific research/ study that government would need to embark on in trying to come up with the root causes (that is one of my proposed solutions). Often times we make the mistake of thinking we know something that we actually do not know. Instead of bashing one another about things we know nothing about; why don't we find out scientifically from those who are affected; so that we can come up with a systematic yet practical solutions!!!This squatter camp problem is not only exclusive to the western cape but its in each province and we need solutions and not blame apportioning. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Well, as for solutions, either ECape needs to up its game (Education and employment), or the ECape provincial government needs to allocate a portion of its budget to the WCape. That or national government needs to increase the budget of the WCape.
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Is that your best answer? In 1994; group areas act was done away with and hence your answer would not be considered a practical solution. How do we get read of this problem that is facing our country; this is a national crisis, not a provincial crisis only!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty.
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Indeed it is!!! You have hit the nail on the head; however I am of the view that we should respect knowledge by performing a scientific research to establish the root causes with certainty, so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past by making assumptions (otherwise we may have a situation whereby people sell their RDP houses and go back to the squatter camps. ) Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty.
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Indeed it is!!! You have hit the nail on the head; however I am of the view that we should respect knowledge by performing a scientific research to establish the root causes with certainty, so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past by making assumptions (otherwise we may have a situation whereby people sell their RDP houses and go back to the squatter camps. )
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Who would you task with this "scientific research"? The current leadership couldnt conduct a scientific experiment in a fully functionl lab.
As for repeating the mistakes of the past, the current regime is certainly making the situation worse with their jobs for pals practice. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude."
The usual Dzel copout.
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Agreed but I think responding to DZEL is a waste of time and pixel space. Report Abuse
See this is the level of thinking I have to deal with.
This is the last time I engage you WakeUp, perhaps it would be worth the effort if you ACTUALLY KNEW something but kumnyama kuwe (the main switch has tripped when it comes to you).
Your approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic.
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What is simplistic is an assumption that states that people choose to stay emkhukhwini which is very difficult to reconcile. People are driven into such housing by poverty and a lack of housing.
What other contributors do you think are relevant cause I can't think of any... Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
DA-DBN-GUY
Agreed but I think responding to DZEL is a waste of time and pixel space.
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You and WakeUp seem to be sharing a brain cell so it is no surprise you agree. Nothing like the blind leading the blind and then reassuring each other they are still on track though neither has the ability to look around and validate if this is true.
@DA-DBN-GUY
MGEEZ
Who would you task with this "scientific research"? The current leadership couldnt conduct a scientific experiment in a fully functionl lab.
As for repeating the mistakes of the past, the current regime is certainly making the situation worse with their jobs for pals practice.
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An independent NGO or alternatively stats sa Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
DZEL
At least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across. You seemed very intelligent in the beginning but now see you lack understanding and comprehension. Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
DA-DBN-GUY
MGEEZ
Although the cause is important would it not be better to fix the problem than wait years for a study to be done and a report compiled and debated in parliament etc etc?
As for solutions. national government needs to work with provincial and vice versa to alleviate this problem. But at the moment you have national government trying to sabotage the DA , in this case, from building houses and eradicating the housing shortage just to gain votes. These are peoples lives Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
Dzel
MGEEZ
Your approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic.
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What is simplistic is an assumption that states that people choose to stay emkhukhwini which is very difficult to reconcile. People are driven into such housing by poverty and a lack of housing.
What other contributors do you think are relevant cause I can't think of any...
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I think there are many; such as lack of education; lack of ambition or vision; poverty; wrong choices; greed (where u sell RDP house and revert back to a shack); having to assume parental responsibilities before time (where a school child falls pregnant or a boy impregnates a school going girl); refusing to stay under the authority of your parents (consequently having to start adult life before time; HIV aids (where children have to assume parental responsibilities due to the death of both parents); etc. Because of the multiplicity of the possible causes; we need a concerted scientific research to establish the real root cause so that we can eliminate this bug that is degrading our people!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
MGEEZ
@DA-DBN-GUY
MGEEZ
Although the cause is important would it not be better to fix the problem than wait years for a study to be done and a report compiled and debated in parliament etc etc?
As for solutions. national government needs to work with provincial and vice versa to alleviate this problem. But at the moment you have national government trying to sabotage the DA , in this case, from building houses and eradicating the housing shortage just to gain votes. These are peoples lives
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Agreed; it would certainly assist with both short and long term solutions and at this time we need both, otherwise we would still be talking about squatter camps in 20 yrs from now!!! Report Abuse
Jul 16, 2012
Dzel
DA-DBN-GUY
At least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across.
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You will do well to speak for you and only you (well perhaps for your twin as well) but stay away from terms like "everyone" since you have not conducted a survey or been given the mandate to speak for everyone.
Yet again there is no substance to his round of exchanges so there is no point in continuing on this pointless conversation. Trust me the last thing I want is to be making negative comment, I just wish you and your friend understood what a waste of time it is to debate against someone when it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about so when I ask you to raise your game it is not because I am being but rather it gets annoying after a while especially when you mix ignorance with indignation.
At least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across.
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You will do well to speak for you and only you (well perhaps for your twin as well) but stay away from terms like "everyone" since you have not conducted a survey or been given the mandate to speak for everyone.
Yet again there is no substance to his round of exchanges so there is no point in continuing on this pointless conversation. Trust me the last thing I want is to be making negative comment, I just wish you and your friend understood what a waste of time it is to debate against someone when it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about so when I ask you to raise your game it is not because I am being but rather it gets an.noying after a while especially when you mix igno.rance with indignation.
I think there are many; such as lack of education; lack of ambition or vision; poverty; wrong choices; greed (where u sell RDP house and revert back to a shack); having to assume parental responsibilities before time
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I think I understand you better now but these are drivers of poverty, the point I am making is shacks are an outcome of poverty. We are saying the same thing but our reasoning is at different levels but I get you.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
LOL, so buuurn down your 'unhygenic' toilets, and then go back to 'sanitary' pit toilets.Report Abuse
Aquia
....And then they'll be crying that government is not doing anyhting for them and tat that they don't have toilets. So bayo kakela kae in the mean time? Bushes bushes..sis!Report Abuse
swona
they will go to the bush! government must not replace these toilets!Report Abuse
masende
BAZONYAPHI MANJE STUPID PPLReport Abuse
Band_Man
I bet the person who instigated the match has a working toilet. Sadly (if you that way inclined) Helen has strong case now. I did my best and these people destroyed everythingReport Abuse
sabza007
Idiots, where are you going to shiit now???? Shiit and Urine does not care its released on a permanent or temporary toilet. When shiit want go come out, you can't stop it.Report Abuse
sabza007
Idiots, where are you going to shiit now???? Shiit and Urine does not care its released on a permanent or temporary toilet. When shiit want come out, you can't stop it.Report Abuse
Tikoloshe
....these people must get back on their Eastern Cape taxis and go back home to the corrupt Province of Xhosaland.They come to other Provinces because the hyenas are stealing all the money and say "the ANC promised us houses....where are our houses" then make a strike and toyi toyi. arrest these people for publice violence.....taxpayers are sick of working just to have their stuff destroyed!!!!
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Maezizsto4Sure
masendeBAZONYAPHI MANJE STUPID PPL
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Shredder
Why do you destroy what you have?Report Abuse
MGEEZ
This is not acceptable behavior and the perpetrators of this must be brought to book. When you protest against service delivery it is important that you have a peaceful protest and that way; you may even get the general public support; but as things stands right now; this is pure lunacy!!!Report Abuse
Sandrab
Why can they not clean their toilets. The weekend newspapers reported that they complained of unhygienic conditions. Surely they can keep the toilets cleanReport Abuse
cornelius
The ANC councillor of the area could not even be found, but the ANC wants to take over the province, hahaha.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
So the community rather goes to the bushes instead of the temporary toilets? Is the bush more hygienic or am i missing something here?Report Abuse
lindsay
yeah let the government build them proper houses then they will sell them to Zimbabwean and Nigerians and then demand again these lazy mudafuckersReport Abuse
MommaC
They CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies-
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MGEEZ
MommaCThey CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.
Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies-
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Certainly our people are their own worst enemies and this the ruling party is taking full advantage of to sustain themselves at the top!!!
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MommaC
MGEEZIts called 'politics', Promise the sun and the moon and deliver a handful of dirt.
From what I've seen, its a world wide problem.
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Dzel
Last week the people from the Cape Flats made a big fuss over gangsterism and we were told it is not the DA’s responsibility and Zille even wrote a letter in record time pushing responsibility to the army which I have no problem with.These people have been without toilets for a very long time and the fact that you have these movable communal toilets means there is no pressure on the provincial government to act even demonstrations will not yield much. It is a tough one but I understand the logic, they are sending a message that they don’t want these toilets for a number of reasons.
More importantly these people have been waiting for housing for a very long time, if the ground they occupy is not suitable for housing then what is the DA government doing to identify suitable housing and building houses for these people since they claim to deliver?
Ask these people if the WC is the best run province they will look back at you with blank faces, best in what exactly they will ask you.
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Dzel
MommaCThey CAN'T build flushing loos or houses there. The ground is not stable enough as the water table in the area is too high. The community has been told that. They have also been told not to build shacks there because it is DANGEROUS.
Sometimes I think our people are their own worst enemies-
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So where do you suggest they should go rather?
... and if provincial government is aware that the land they occupying is unsuitable for human occupation then what have they done to find alternatives and more importantly find a lasting solution?
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Dzel
MGEEZCertainly our people are their own worst enemies and this the ruling party is taking full advantage of to sustain themselves at the top!!!
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This is a province run by the DA. Unlike the not so cushy portfolio of policing and DA takes all the credit for houses built in the province so they need to own all the failures, this is one of the failures and guess who is on the receiving end.
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Irish_man
We need to understand why people are migrating before we can make some silly or colonial comments about their pain and suffering because this country belongs to everyone who leaves in it so please don't come with colonial mentality in our country. I'm not disputing the factor that the same people need to learn to control their anger because, destroying what is temporary allocated to them it's just pure stupidity.... So please quite now with colonial remarks.Report Abuse
MommaC
Haai mense!!!!Why so hard to comment now? Give us a list of banned words so we can work around them
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MommaC
DzelDunno Dzel. I have only heard about the situation as I'm not in CapeTown. The 1ocals have told them all not to build there as it will flood and the standard response seems to be "then we will get houses quicker".
We have it in Gauteng too. They just won't listen to reason
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Dzel
To all those who are accusing this community of entitlement how many of you have had to use a portable toilet shared with at least a hundred other residents?What is the occupant to toilet ratio?
I hate using the blurry things in one day events just imagine forced to using this all the time even at night when you risk being robbed or raped. This is not the level of service we should be giving to our people. It goes against the principle of treating your citizens with dignity. While destruction of property can never be justified but when the object of the attack is exactly what prevents you from getting proper ablution facilities then I understand the logic.
I think we would do well to try putting ourselves in their shoes, I too would be fed up.
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Dzel
MommaCDunno Dzel. I have only heard about the situation as I'm not in CapeTown. The 1ocals have told them all not to build there as it will flood and the standard response seems to be "then we will get houses quicker".
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They have been living under these conditions for over 10 years.
I would like to believe they would have moved elsewhere had there been more suitable location. It is one thing to tell someone to move, it is another to provide them with a place to move to.
One gets the sense these are "unwanted refugees" hence little is being done for them. Yes I am well aware that the DA only took over in 2009 but they have controlled the city much longer.
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MommaC
DzelSo what do you suggest we do? Build houses and sewage lines on unstable ground, on flood plains or on ground that is contaminated with uranium simply because the people decided that they wanted to live there?
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MommaC
DzelLook. I couldn't give a tinkers who is in charge and making this a political point scoring exercise is not productive. Those people have enough problems with being used as political pawns by the politicians. Let us just agree that politicians are all bloodsuckingscumbags and look at the problem instead. CapeTown has a water table problem. If the IFP, ACDP or KISS party took over, it would still be a geological issue.
To the best of my knowledge, the people were told to move to another area but they don't want to as it is further away from the industrial area (and therefore any job prospects). I am not sure about what transport was promised to them but it would be irrelevant as most of them couldn't afford transport anyhow.
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DzelSo where do you suggest they should go rather?
... and if provincial government is aware that the land they occupying is unsuitable for human occupation then what have they done to find alternatives and more importantly find a lasting solution?
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If you know the procedure you would know that any land redistribution or allocation must be approved by provincial government, maybe before pointing fingers, find out where the process are.
It was not to long ago that the DA said they would have been able to move more people from unsuitable areas if the national government was not so slow in processing the requests.
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Dzel
MommaCSo what do you suggest we do? Build houses and sewage lines on unstable ground, on flood plains or on ground that is contaminated with uranium simply because the people decided that they wanted to live there?
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No, find suitable land and build the houses there.
How does the fact that the land they currently occupy is not suitable stopping the province from identifying land that is suitable so they can build the houses there.
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MommaC
DzelSorry, I had some trouble posting so the next post of mine says more about that
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Dzel
SOLUTIONSIf you know the procedure you would know that any land redistribution or allocation must be approved by provincial government, maybe before pointing fingers, find out where the process are.
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Again we are back to pointing fingers at national government. Well I know the process and I know municipalities are responsible for approving the township proclamation process. Some unions have been given land on which to build houses and this is done by province.
The DA has been in power since 2009, when was the request for permission made.... lets start there and since you know so much please tell me where in the process are we exactly.
Never start a response by saying "if you knew..." because it assumes an elevated level of understanding which I am sure you have no right to claim.
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Dzel, reading your comments yes I have the right to claim it, that is why I said you must maybe find out where the process is.Regarding pointing fingers at national government, it is so easy, they deserve it in every other place they have their corrupt, fat little fingers in.
Land will only be distributed or allocated if approved by national government, yes the municipalities must hand in the desired areas, then it will go to provincial government,, but at the end of the day it is the big cheese from the national government who must approve this. Believe me, been involved in a process like this for a community in Mpumalanga, unless this changed in the last year which I definitely doubt.
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Dzel
MommaCLook. I couldn't give a tinkers who is in charge and making this a political point scoring exercise is not productive. Those people have enough problems with being used as political pawns by the politicians.
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We first need to agree that the facilities they have been using are unacceptable, no human deserves to be reduced to these standards.
Then we need to agree that there is little point in one party claiming to be better than the other when there is a disconnect in terms of race and earning power.
Lastly we need to stop this tendency of wanting to claim all positives and yet pushing away all negatives.
I would gladly give credit to a party that delivers equally to all its citizens but to see black people being treated like second class citizens who are expected to share unsanitary and unsafe abolition facilities is sad. To add salt to injury the DA argues that shanty towns are the future boggles the mind.
Let Zille and her family move to a shanty town if she thinks it is acceptable to for entire communities to live under such conditions, let her share a toilet with 50 other families then she can talk.
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MommaC
DzelOkay,. if you want to make this into a racial and party political piddling contest then go ahead and I will just bow out of this right now. I have no interest in going there. I am not a political stooge and I really couldn't be bothered stooping that low.
See you on the flip side where sanity and humanity are more important that petty egos.
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Dzel
SOLUTIONSDzel, reading your comments yes I have the right to claim it, that is why I said you must maybe find out where the process is.
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Trust me dude, I know way more than you do when it comes to housing. Don't assume anything.
It has flown over your head that the DA has ample time to request this land you claim they have requested and based on how long it would take it is absurd to blame national government unless you can say with a degree of certainty that yes this request was made on such and such a day.
Can you tell me if it was requested and when?
You think you have made a valid point by saying maybe they have so maybe it is national government's fault. Get your facts straight and we may have a point to debate. Maybes and probablies don't make a debate.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
LOL, is Dzel electioneering again?Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Tony Eidontgetitright, is that you?Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@AllI think that it is time that we take a pragmatic solution to this problem. No matter how many times government gives these people freebies; they are still going to end up on the streets toy toying for this thing or the other. We need to look at the root causes why these people are staying in these squatter camps (i can tell you right now, that poverty is not the main reason as some would immediately jump in response to my comments)?
We need a system that we can use to monitor the progress made by these people or families after they have been moved from a shack to an RDP house; because some of these people make their way back to these squatter camps. Government needs to embark on this root cause analysis; outlaw these establishments and systematical come up with the how and what is going to be done with the people that currently stay in such settlements.
We need solutions and not problems, good people!!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - I can give you one reason why. One of the causes of the growing township pendemic in Cape Town, is because over a million people have moved from ECape to WCape living for employment and education.Report Abuse
Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfricaLOL, is Dzel electioneering again?
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No, I am exposing hypocrisy which I am sure makes you uncomfortable.
Let's see Zille writing letters now but there is no one to pass the buck to.
We need to stop pretending the DA is perfect and assuming some people are st.upid if they have reasons NOT TO vote for the DA. They are a bunch of hypocrites who will do nothing for our people should they win elections, if anything they want to keep black people poor by implementing pro-business policies.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - Dude, you dont look at the facts presented before you. Its like when a dude has his leg broken. Dzel will be the dude shouting that he is a k@k soccer player all of a sudden.Do you disagree that over a million unemployed folks moving to Cape Town puts strain on housing and employment?
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Dzel
MGEEZI think that it is time that we take a pragmatic solution to this problem. No matter how many times government gives these people freebies; they are still going to end up on the streets toy toying for this thing or the other. We need to look at the root causes why these people are staying in these squatter camps (i can tell you right now, that poverty is not the main reason as some would immediately jump in response to my comments)?
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Then what is the main reason, pray tell my brother. I can't think of anyone who lives in a shack by choice
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - I gave you the reason.Report Abuse
Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfricaDo you disagree that over a million unemployed folks moving to Cape Town puts strain on housing and employment?
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Its called logic. The situation is exactly the same with most economically active cities in SA, not just CT.
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lindsay
@Dzelif you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "The situation is exactly the same with most economically active cities in SA, not just CT."OH REALLY? So even Joburg is experiencing these issues (Double more service delivery protests than Cape Town).
So, maybe its not the DA's fault, like you have been ranting about?
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - Only problem with regards to CT, is that its not folks moving from rural to urban area. Its folks moving from OTHER cities (PE/EL) to CT.Report Abuse
DA-DBN-GUY
DzelYou claim to be the master of most areas but i have yet to see you win any debate based on fact or merits. You simply spew out "facts" as you see them and as you pointed out last week you dont name your sources. When taking over an ailing business what is the first thing you do? Do you employ more staff or do you try and get the business back into full operation first? Yes they DA took over in 2009 and dont you agree that 3 years is not exactly enough time to bring the ailing province back to full health? The DA have the inept national government to contend with as well as local anc and cosatu officials hell bent on stalling progress in the province instead of working hand in hand. The anc couldnt get the country right in 18 years and you expect the DA to fix the anc mess in 3?
Nobody claims the DA is perfect but they are a better option than the anc!
Then of course there are the refugees from other province they have to deal with.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
DA-DBN-GUY - And then when you prove him wrong he #shakes his head in frustration# :PReport Abuse
Dzel
lindsayif you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da.
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... and how long has the DA run the city?
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DA-DBN-GUY
lindsay@Dzel
if you say these people were living like this for more than ten years and DA only started in 2009 to be incharge in Cape Town what was the province doing about them prior 2009? and why were they not toyitoying then? apparently the blame then starts with Anc and then Da.
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Unfortunately DZEL has selective reasoning skills and discounts anything the anc did in the province prior to the DA saving it.
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Dzel
DA_DBN,Please tell me we are not going to waste time on this "what is your source" line. You are free to dispute anything I post, worry about the merits of the debate not who the source is. Play the game, not the player dude.
Let me ease your mind, what source did you want. Identify what I said and I'll do my best to address this since it is obvious I will be hearing the "source" line for the next 5 years.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
DA-DBN-GUY - LAWL, so the DA has been running CT for 3 years...And the ANC has been running the country for 18 years...
But when the ANC stuffs up, then 18 years is a very short period for fixing the country :P
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thuliie
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DA-DBN-GUY
DzelThe source validates the merits buddy!! The fact you dont understand this concept speaks volumes about your postings.
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DA-DBN-GUY
WakeUpSouthAfricaThat is exactly why i said DZEL has selective reasoning skills.
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Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfricaDA-DBN-GUY - LAWL, so the DA has been running CT for 3 years...
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You have difficulty distinguishing between the Metro and the Province yet you think you have something to add.
Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban?
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban?"The CITY of Cape Town dude, thats one municipality. It doesnt account for any of the surrounding municipalities.
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DzelCan you tell me if it was requested and when?
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Maybe you should go to the top and read my 1st comment slowly again, I think you suffer from selective reading, nowhere did I say that it was so, I said before you point fingers to the provincial government you must maybe go and check at which stage the proposals are. Please do me a favour, try to act like an adult. If you know so much about housing, why don't you even know this one basic that national gov. must approve things.
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DA-DBN-GUY
DzelWhich city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban
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For which she was named the BEST MAYOR in the world. So she must be doing something right if she beat other international mayors. Something the ruling party will never be able to brag with.
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jnrb
Yeah! I am also going to set fire to my 1600 VW Golf because I don't get to drive around in a BMW 7 series like the Ministers of Govt.It makes a whole lot of sense beacuse the Freedom Charter said "There will be...." and I am still waiting for my BMW 7 series, 18 years after democracy. It is time for these people to start taking us seriously.Report Abuse
Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfricaDzel - "Which city did Helen Zille become executive mayor of in 2006, Durban?"
The CITY of Cape Town dude, thats one municipality. It doesnt account for any of the surrounding municipalities.
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Which municipality does Khayelitsha fall under?
Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude.
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Dzel
DA-DBN-GUYFor which she was named the BEST MAYOR in the world. So she must be doing something right if she beat other international mayors. Something the ruling party will never be able to brag with.
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Do you know what the criteria was and how the adjudication was conducted?
If you do please share so we can see if it was deserved.
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MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMGEEZ - I can give you one reason why. One of the causes of the growing township pendemic in Cape Town, is because over a million people have moved from ECape to WCape living for employment and education.
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That may be one of the reasons, however need I point out to you that I asked for solutions and not problems!!! Cape town has had squatter camps for a long time now and is not the only city that has squatter camps in this country; hence I am of the view that we need a pragmatic solutions instead of blame apportioning here; and i am still waiting!!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Which municipality does Khayelitsha fall under?"Khayelitsha.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Well, as for solutions, either ECape needs to up its game (Education and employment), or the ECape provincial government needs to allocate a portion of its budget to the WCape. That or national government needs to increase the budget of the WCape.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Dzel - "Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude."The usual Dzel copout.
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MGEEZ
@DzelMGEEZ
Then what is the main reason, pray tell my brother. I can't think of anyone who lives in a shack by choice
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Your approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic. My view is that an informed answer to that question would be the product of the scientific research/ study that government would need to embark on in trying to come up with the root causes (that is one of my proposed solutions). Often times we make the mistake of thinking we know something that we actually do not know. Instead of bashing one another about things we know nothing about; why don't we find out scientifically from those who are affected; so that we can come up with a systematic yet practical solutions!!!This squatter camp problem is not only exclusive to the western cape but its in each province and we need solutions and not blame apportioning.
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MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMGEEZ - Well, as for solutions, either ECape needs to up its game (Education and employment), or the ECape provincial government needs to allocate a portion of its budget to the WCape. That or national government needs to increase the budget of the WCape.
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Is that your best answer? In 1994; group areas act was done away with and hence your answer would not be considered a practical solution. How do we get read of this problem that is facing our country; this is a national crisis, not a provincial crisis only!!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@WakeUpSouthAfricaMGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty.
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Indeed it is!!! You have hit the nail on the head; however I am of the view that we should respect knowledge by performing a scientific research to establish the root causes with certainty, so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past by making assumptions (otherwise we may have a situation whereby people sell their RDP houses and go back to the squatter camps. )
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MGEEZ@WakeUpSouthAfrica
MGEEZ - Education is the key, in removing poverty.
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Indeed it is!!! You have hit the nail on the head; however I am of the view that we should respect knowledge by performing a scientific research to establish the root causes with certainty, so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past by making assumptions (otherwise we may have a situation whereby people sell their RDP houses and go back to the squatter camps. )
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Who would you task with this "scientific research"? The current leadership couldnt conduct a scientific experiment in a fully functionl lab.
As for repeating the mistakes of the past, the current regime is certainly making the situation worse with their jobs for pals practice.
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DA-DBN-GUY
WakeUpSouthAfricaDzel - "Responding to you is a waste of time since hardly have anything worthy, its always these comments one has to correct all the time. up your game dude."
The usual Dzel copout.
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Agreed but I think responding to DZEL is a waste of time and pixel space.
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Dzel
WakeUpSouthAfricaKhayelitsha.
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See this is the level of thinking I have to deal with.
This is the last time I engage you WakeUp, perhaps it would be worth the effort if you ACTUALLY KNEW something but kumnyama kuwe (the main switch has tripped when it comes to you).
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Dzel
MGEEZYour approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic.
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What is simplistic is an assumption that states that people choose to stay emkhukhwini which is very difficult to reconcile. People are driven into such housing by poverty and a lack of housing.
What other contributors do you think are relevant cause I can't think of any...
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Dzel
DA-DBN-GUYAgreed but I think responding to DZEL is a waste of time and pixel space.
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You and WakeUp seem to be sharing a brain cell so it is no surprise you agree. Nothing like the blind leading the blind and then reassuring each other they are still on track though neither has the ability to look around and validate if this is true.
Continue reassuring each other guys.
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MGEEZ
@DA-DBN-GUYMGEEZ
Who would you task with this "scientific research"? The current leadership couldnt conduct a scientific experiment in a fully functionl lab.
As for repeating the mistakes of the past, the current regime is certainly making the situation worse with their jobs for pals practice.
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DA-DBN-GUY
DZELAt least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across. You seemed very intelligent in the beginning but now see you lack understanding and comprehension.
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DA-DBN-GUY
MGEEZAlthough the cause is important would it not be better to fix the problem than wait years for a study to be done and a report compiled and debated in parliament etc etc?
As for solutions. national government needs to work with provincial and vice versa to alleviate this problem. But at the moment you have national government trying to sabotage the DA , in this case, from building houses and eradicating the housing shortage just to gain votes. These are peoples lives
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MGEEZ
DzelMGEEZ
Your approach on this matter based on the comment above is too simplistic.
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What is simplistic is an assumption that states that people choose to stay emkhukhwini which is very difficult to reconcile. People are driven into such housing by poverty and a lack of housing.
What other contributors do you think are relevant cause I can't think of any...
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I think there are many; such as lack of education; lack of ambition or vision; poverty; wrong choices; greed (where u sell RDP house and revert back to a shack); having to assume parental responsibilities before time (where a school child falls pregnant or a boy impregnates a school going girl); refusing to stay under the authority of your parents (consequently having to start adult life before time; HIV aids (where children have to assume parental responsibilities due to the death of both parents); etc. Because of the multiplicity of the possible causes; we need a concerted scientific research to establish the real root cause so that we can eliminate this bug that is degrading our people!!!
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MGEEZ
@DA-DBN-GUYMGEEZ
Although the cause is important would it not be better to fix the problem than wait years for a study to be done and a report compiled and debated in parliament etc etc?
As for solutions. national government needs to work with provincial and vice versa to alleviate this problem. But at the moment you have national government trying to sabotage the DA , in this case, from building houses and eradicating the housing shortage just to gain votes. These are peoples lives
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Agreed; it would certainly assist with both short and long term solutions and at this time we need both, otherwise we would still be talking about squatter camps in 20 yrs from now!!!
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Dzel
DA-DBN-GUYAt least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across.
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You will do well to speak for you and only you (well perhaps for your twin as well) but stay away from terms like "everyone" since you have not conducted a survey or been given the mandate to speak for everyone.
Yet again there is no substance to his round of exchanges so there is no point in continuing on this pointless conversation. Trust me the last thing I want is to be making negative comment, I just wish you and your friend understood what a waste of time it is to debate against someone when it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about so when I ask you to raise your game it is not because I am being but rather it gets annoying after a while especially when you mix ignorance with indignation.
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Dzel
DA-DBN-GUYAt least we have a brain cell dude. You lack credibility on this blog as everyone knows you are inept and ill equipped to debate or even logically and factually put any kind of point across.
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You will do well to speak for you and only you (well perhaps for your twin as well) but stay away from terms like "everyone" since you have not conducted a survey or been given the mandate to speak for everyone.
Yet again there is no substance to his round of exchanges so there is no point in continuing on this pointless conversation. Trust me the last thing I want is to be making negative comment, I just wish you and your friend understood what a waste of time it is to debate against someone when it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about so when I ask you to raise your game it is not because I am being but rather it gets an.noying after a while especially when you mix igno.rance with indignation.
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MGEEZI think there are many; such as lack of education; lack of ambition or vision; poverty; wrong choices; greed (where u sell RDP house and revert back to a shack); having to assume parental responsibilities before time
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I think I understand you better now but these are drivers of poverty, the point I am making is shacks are an outcome of poverty. We are saying the same thing but our reasoning is at different levels but I get you.
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