Wed Jun 19 22:10:44 SAST 2013

Mantashe on why he threw in SACP towel

Jul 13, 2012 | Olebogeng Molatlhwa | 54 comments

OUTGOING SACP national chairman Gwede Mantashe says his decision not to seek re-election is not ideological, but in the best interest of the party.

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Jul 13, 2012

Tsar-Rasputin

Ja,right!!!

The main reason is that SACP is not loaded, we all no Russia is a broke ass "superpower" and he is aspiring for Deputy President

Ntate mogolo o, omaka
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Jul 13, 2012

Baba_T

@Tsar-Ras
Aweh Ma se Kind. Well Said

Die Oupa dink ons is dom.

He has been holiding those positions all along and suddenly it is "not ideological".

He wants more power and realises that the SACP is a dead beat so he rather focus on the "BIG" fish the ANC.

ANC will bleed futher.
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Jul 13, 2012

MGEEZ

How noble of you Mr Mantashe?? Then my grand mother is spider men!!!!
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Jul 13, 2012

takadisman

He is only looking for attention
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Jul 13, 2012

Mokwepa

didnt know that Gwede is SACP.
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Jul 13, 2012

DJWinner

It is clear to him that he and Zuma will re-elected in Mangaung. Good for him to only focus on his SG job.
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Jul 13, 2012

ngutha

@DJWinner
It is clear to him that he and Zuma will re-elected in Mangaung. Good for him to only focus on his SG job.
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Are u sure they will be re-elected?
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Jul 13, 2012

Segodithomas

He has learnt from Thabo Mbeki, Mangaung will have casualties and he is one of them. Juju factor is getting to him.
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Jul 13, 2012

DJWinner

ngutha
@DJWinner
It is clear to him that he and Zuma will re-elected in Mangaung. Good for him to only focus on his SG job.
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Are u sure they will be re-elected?
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You did not read my comment correctly. I said 'It is clear to him that he and Zuma will re-elected in Mangaung'. I did not say it is clear to me.
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Jul 13, 2012

SeshegoGuY

There are no Communists in RSA-- They are like Vegetarians who are Meat-eaters
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Jul 13, 2012

minezolo

@Mokwepa
It's also my first to ever heard that Ntate Gwede is the chaiperson of the SACP, anyway money talks
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Jul 13, 2012

Yapannete

By the looks of things Zuma and Mantatshe are going to be reelected,Julius wil only speaks on podiums outside the ANC.Julius and friends are olnly going to see the Mangagung conference through tv or using bionoculars.
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Jul 13, 2012

Mctoff

"communists are not communist members of the ANC, but members and leaders of the ANC ... "he added.

My D@#k
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Jul 13, 2012

jnrb

The Communist Party is as outdated in the 21st century as a horse drawn carriage on the N1 freeway. Already on March 3, 1983, Pres Ronald Reagan predicted that Communism would collapse, stating, "Communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written." In 1989 the Berlin wall fell and Communism was history, (except for North Korea and Cuba which are nothing other than dictatorships ). These communists must feel like fish on dry land. They have devoted their entire lives to something that wasn’t worth a cold bucket of cat vomit. One can only laugh at them.
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Jul 13, 2012

Siya5297

@tsar-rasputin
Well I did not know Russia is a broke ass superpower

Good move for you Gwede.
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Jul 13, 2012

MommaC

I still can't see WHY the communists and unionists think they have any right to dictate to us. We didn't vote for them.. They have no mandate from us. They should all just sit down and shut up
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Jul 13, 2012

Ruudboy

Is dis bcos he wants more time 2 prepare 4 Mangaung
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Jul 13, 2012

KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

Mantashe just want to shape the future of his brother "Senzeni Zokwana".Who knows!may be the guy is from eastern cape the reason he wants to hand-over the position to him.
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Jul 13, 2012

ngutha

@Ruudboy

Is dis bcos he wants more time 2 prepare 4 Mangaung
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Yes, Its because he has tasted the CAPITALIST GRAVY. He is sending a strong message that he does not want to be a COMMUNIST any more. He wants the finer things in life.
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Jul 13, 2012

Theotherguy

Gwede said its impractical to hold two full time positions, well tell that to Dr Blade Nzimande and in your case sir you were the chairperson of SACP (Communists well are they?) , Secretary General of ANC (Capitalists), Blade is Secretary General of SACP (Commusts), a minister of higher education in the ANC run government, people with lower IQ like DJ Winner will take the likes of Gwede, Blade seriously, free traders masquerading as communists
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Jul 13, 2012

Impela

ngutha
@DJWinner
It is clear to him that he and Zuma will re-elected in Mangaung. Good for him to only focus on his SG job.
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Are u sure they will be re-elected?
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Per the common sentiment in this forum: No. But then we know that the Mangaung bash will not be like Soccer spectacular or Idols where people phone their choice - only ANC accredited delegates will be voting. I doubt if the delegates will be consulting this forum though.
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Jul 13, 2012

Flemza

If in the ANC/SACP leadership if there is any leader is worth leading this country forward after Msholozi is this man Mantashe , Mantashe has proved to be a true leader far much better than Mbalula or Mothlante combine together. Mantashe is the one who must succeed Msholozi when Zuma decides to step down.
I say to all lets stand up and salute Mzimande for being visionary on to let Mantashe to be free to be able to lead Mzansi after Msholozi.
A tripple Bells to both Mantashe and Mzimande
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Jul 13, 2012

Dandan

Theotherguy
Gwede said its impractical to hold two full time positions, well tell that to Dr Blade Nzimande and in your case sir you were the chairperson of SACP (Communists well are they?) , Secretary General of ANC (Capitalists), Blade is Secretary General of SACP (Commusts), a minister of higher education in the ANC run government, people with lower IQ like DJ Winner will take the likes of Gwede, Blade seriously, free traders masquerading as communists
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Its pretty clear you dont understand politics of the alliance , SG position is a full time portfolio with more challengses than any other positions in the top six. If you tell us about Blade , then means the pres of the ANC must stop being a State Pres
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Jul 13, 2012

Flemza

If in the ANC/SACP leadership if there is any leader is worth leading this country forward after Msholozi is this man Mantashe , Mantashe has proved to be a true leader far much better than M.alula or M..thlante combine together. Mantashe is the one who must succeed Msholozi when Zuma decides to step down.
I say to all lets stand up and salute M..imande for being visionary on to let Mantashe to be free to be able to lead Mzansi after Msholozi.
A tripple Bells to both Mantashe and Mzimande
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Jul 13, 2012

Dzel

Can someone explain what the SACP stands for besides being a vehicle to ANC positions and a platform for pointless sound bites. How many members do they have exactly, perhaps AZAPO and PAC have more members than they do.
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Jul 13, 2012

WakeUpSouthAfrica

*yawn*

ANC and SACP deserve a long slow death.
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Jul 13, 2012

MarryMe

Wish the ANC can do away with this liar, this man has told a lot of lies many times. Like now he clearly wants to be part of ANC not SACP, there is no money in the SACP and no so many opportunities. This is one of the guys I have observed over the years an I despise him.
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Jul 13, 2012

mathopeed

"It is not practical to hold two full-time positions in the SACP and ANC. It's just impossible. It's a disaster and leaves one to be an absentee chairperson of the party [SACP]."

Are you Crazy you SACP guru's? Numsa called that move of holding two positions in ANC and SACP as not the best idea to pursue. But what you did, you lambasted NUMSA by saying they must'nt intervene in your structural issues. Now today you calling it "impossible and disaster" to hold two senior positions. You are confusing your followers mn
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Jul 13, 2012

Blackthought

Strategical move that is likely to back fire. Hope he knows what he's doing.
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Jul 13, 2012

WakeUpSouthAfrica

Blackthought - "Hope he knows what he's doing."

Hes a DEPLOYED cadre, of course he doesnt know what he's doing.
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Jul 13, 2012

Mbeki_2

Yeah right Gwede - It's actually because Luxury is NOT an aquired taste - you take to it immediately !
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Jul 13, 2012

Theotherguy

@ Dandan
the pres of the ANC must stop being a State Pres

Are you a retard?

ANC is the government.
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Jul 13, 2012

Impela

Dzel
Can someone explain what the SACP stands for besides being a vehicle to ANC positions and a platform for pointless sound bites. How many members do they have exactly, perhaps AZAPO and PAC have more members than they do.
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Can't you do the research?
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Jul 13, 2012

The-Rothschilds

SeshegoGuY
There are no Communists in RSA-- They are like Vegetarians who are Meat-eaters
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That is because communism never existed to begin with. Communism does not exist with a sinful heart of a human being. We will always takes more than what we need, it is in our nature to do so, but as long as it is done legally, then take as much as you want!
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Jul 13, 2012

Theotherguy

@ Flemza

I say to all lets stand up and salute M..imande for being visionary on to let Mantashe to be free to be able to lead Mzansi after Msholozi.

Sometimes it helps to elaborate on what you say or in your case what you want to say firstly when you say he is a visionary can you please just elaborate a bit
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Jul 13, 2012

DA-DBN-GUY

Isnt being a Communist in a so called democratic government contradictorary?
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Jul 13, 2012

Flemza

@Theotherguy
What I meant is there is vacuum of leadership within the hierachy of ANC for once someone has seen that , by allowing Mantashe to focus 100% on ANC this will put Mantashe to succeed Zuma , when Zuma`s term is complted and its over , or Zuma decides to step downas an honourable leader , currently there is no one , and Mzimande has seen that vacuum , hence I said Mzimande is visionary thats forward planning
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Jul 13, 2012

Cl!ck

I never knew Gremlins owned towels.. *Beats me*

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Jul 13, 2012

Theotherguy

@Flemza

What I meant is there is vacuum of leadership within the hierachy of ANC for once someone has seen that , by allowing Mantashe to focus 100% on ANC this will put Mantashe to succeed Zuma , when Zuma`s term is complted and its over , or Zuma decides to step downas an honourable leader , currently there is no one , and Mzimande has seen that vacuum , hence I said Mzimande is visionary thats forward planning

So we must all stand up and salute the "visionary" because he decided that Mantashe should focus on the ANC and leave SACP, and thats what you call a visionary?, secondly when you say there is a leadership vacuum within the movement did you consider the likes of Cyril Ramaphosa, Joel Netsitenze, Trevor Manuel etc, your support for Blade and Zuma is clouding your judgement hence a myopic view of politics
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Jul 13, 2012

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

I think Mantashe is being presumptuous by opting out of the SACP leadership. He's got a better chance of being re-elected SACP National Chairman than come back as ANC Secretary-General. The position of Secretary-General of the ANC is definitely going to one Comrade Fikile April Mbalula who has done well in his position as head of organisation and campaigns within the ANC. If anything Cde Gwede Mantashe can be redeployed to Cuba or China (he may have to choose)
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Jul 13, 2012

nkomazi

No bullet will remove him. a pen will. after maungang he will have no backbone.
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Jul 13, 2012

KEKGATHETSE

Bread is buttured on the anc side you see. You did not read predictions well Gwede. you and your cronies are going down come Mangaung. woooza! Mangaung woza!
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Flemza

@ Theotherguy
So we must all stand up and salute the "visionary" because he decided that Mantashe should focus on the ANC and leave SACP, and thats what you call a visionary?, secondly when you say there is a leadership vacuum within the movement did you consider the likes of Cyril Ramaphosa, Joel Netsitenze, Trevor Manuel etc, your support for Blade and Zuma is clouding your judgement hence a myopic view of politics
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I hear u sir , but Cyril Ramamphosa , Trevor EManuel are not interested to succed Zuma for now , there turn will come , get me clear on these leaders you have mention , they are great leaders , just as much as Mantashe , and personnaly speaking I respect them , but from the looks of things , they appear not to be interested for now , they haven`t made an secret campaining or secret campaining speeches like some of there well known colleagues.
For now lets support a good idea , let Mantashe focus on ANC 100% ,
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Jul 13, 2012

WakeUpSouthAfrica

Love it, education is taking a nose dive, and all the cadres can focus on is attacking business, mines, land ownership etc.

Meanwhile, the kids dont have textbooks, teachers, classrooms etc.

The current generation of future employees are all going to be uneducated, competing for blue collar jobs. And they will blame businesses, mines, and the farmers :P

South Africans, not the sharpest tools in the shed :P
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Jul 13, 2012

YSJones1

This tribalism and favouritism needs to end in politics, now SACP leaders want to rope in Senzeni Zokwana? what has he achieved in NUM, and will he be not holding two fulltime positions? will it not be impossible for him?, Mantashe likes to act as if he is the greatest politician, come Mangaung this Ntshebe will be out.
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Jul 13, 2012

CharlesTaylor

WakeUpSouthAfrica

True what you say, all they can do is fighting for positions while the mountain circumcision schools don't have classes.
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Jul 13, 2012

MBL2012

When did u realize it is impractical to hold two positions? U ally Mr D**k quaranteed u a position in Mangaung.
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Jul 13, 2012

Lehido

Whatever goaty
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Jul 13, 2012

nkomazi

TOP SIX of ANC is WEak.

zuma and malema destroyed Our Party.
Nkandla will be burnt
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Jul 13, 2012

16-12-1838

A rat fleeing the sunken ship!

How in the 21st Century, with all this technology providing us with so much information can people still believe in communism? It is just a measure of how desperate people have become, that they still believe it offers them hope.

Sure, the idea of a society where everyone shares what they have, and gets what they need sounds great but communism was instigated by brute force and murder, where fear and abuses in every possible area of human rights ensured its very existence. It is like saying you are a Nazi based purely on their economic achievements in the 1930's.

It is ludicrous that the SACP is still an active party in this country, even more insane that they share the same bed as the ruling party. We are a very confused bunch indeed!
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Jul 13, 2012

Jalusi

Why now. i smell a rat.
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Jul 13, 2012

SushiChef

Gearing himself to be Deputy President should the grotesquely extended head win the Mangaung encounter .
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Jul 13, 2012

keuza24h

PLEASE!!!!!

Someone can just go and wake Moses Mabhida, Joe Slovo and Chris Hani to come and kick a$$ here. Gwede and Blade Claim to be communists whereas they are Capitalists and tribalists.
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Aug 2, 2012

mmmtkm

at times Mantashe is partilly wise.Viva Comrade Viva
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