SOUTH Africa should legalise euthanasia as many doctors are already secretly helping elderly patients to die, Western Cape University Professor Sean Davison said
YES!!! I have long been an advocate of allowing people to choose whether they want tio continue suffering, or not. It is my life. I should be allowed to decide when it is to be terminated. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Limpopoist
I have no probem with these Doctors,it really painful to for the suffering people waiting in such pain for their last day Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Tsar-Rasputin
Is either yor are a Doctor or undertaker, finish and klaar Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
My father suffered terribly for years, and it was terrible to watch. He himself wished it over, but it just went on.... and on.... and on. Bring on legitimate euthenasia! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Doculam
Imagine this situation: You are unconscious in hospital, your greedy wife is waiting for a big policy on your name to payout to her. She must now instruct the Dr on your fate..... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Mrazane
Tsar Rasputin - I share your sentiment, doctors are there to save lives not take them, even undertakers bury the dead they don't take lives....if abelungu befuna ukubulalalana ababulalane bodwa le kude not on african soi! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Marquez
Only God gives life and only HIM must end it!! Who the hell are you to decide who dies when and why? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
BRA-MAFUTHA
THERE ARE TWO HOSPITALS KNOWN FOR KILLING PATIENTS BARA HOSPITAL AND NATAL SPRUIT....Undertakers and doctors are making huge money its a big business for them im not surprised that it’s also happening in other provinces Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
2sweet
Its kind to end pain and suffering but is it our right?...jst asking Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
DJWinner
Will be good for our country. There is a lot of people in this country, even in this site, who can use this help. We can help them die. I have a list of those useless madafuckas. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MGEEZ
I think that human beings take themselves far too seriously. If you did not make yourself why would you want to take your life? Tomorrow you are going to have Doctors who assist people to die when the individuals concerned never asked to be assisted that way!!! i hope that our government never agrees with such a notion!!! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
Doculam: It doesn't work like that. The patient makes provision in his/her will.
Marquez: ANd with respect, who the hell is your God to claim those rights?
No no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblical Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
They shoot horses, don't they?
How is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Marquez
@DJWinner dont play GOD here okay? He doesnt need your planless help. What is being done by this doctors is what the BIBLE calls, Blaspheny. Woe to him who takes one's life
its your life and if with your authority you give consent to the doctor to end it who have a right to question that, funny how sinners hide behind God to impose their fears on others. if you are a coward who wants to suffer with a hope that you will be cured when you know deep down you are not then its your choice too. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
Because of current legislation I have explained to my children that I will be taking myself out should I find myself terminally ill. They initially were very upset about the notion, but have accepted it after watching their grandfather suffer. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Marquez
@RobinH there is but one God who is in heaven, thats whom I'm talking about. Thats my God
@RobinH: Its just a bit of Friday humor. I know that your dad must have suffered and you guys must have felt so powerless, sorry about that. I agree with your sentiment, as long as each and every such case is closely monitored to ensure only the affected patient's best interest is considered. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Shredder
No euthanasia for me. Accidental or natural death will do fine for me not self termination. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Maezizsto4Sure
M4V
No no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblical
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I also agree that it is the patient's right to give consent to the doctors once they cant take it any more.I mean here you are,you can see that the person is suffering,he's in pain and chances of survival are just not there and he asks you as a doctor to help him out.Its only fair to help the person out of his misery. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MGEEZ
@DJWinner
Will be good for our country. There is a lot of people in this country, even in this site, who can use this help. We can help them die. I have a list of those useless madafuckas.
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Hahahahahahahahha, very funny; do u mind sharing the list with us please? i am sure that I am in your list; i just want to see whereabout am i in this list? Lol Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MGEEZ
@MommaC
How is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through.
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What manner of training did you give these your kids, that now according to your admission they have the courage to murder their mum should a need arise??? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
MGEEZ
It isn't 'murder' if it is at my request.
Putting down a family pet which has terminal cancer or liver failure is hard and painful but you do it. You do it because it is just cruel to force them to live with the pain and suffering. I didn't bring up children who delight in the pain of others Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
dimpho_4U
eish, mara this one is debatable.... is it murder or really helping a patient out??!.... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
golly459
Y blocking my comment sowetan mara eixxxxx Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
CHRISTIANS would disagree. Only God knows when its time for you to go. Its a sin. Its murder,domt suger coat it with fancy words to justify the evil act - its MURDER and its a SIN. Sin committed by the DR AND sin committed by the patient!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
THERE are some cases where a patient is knocking on the death's door and family and friends have lost hope,but miraculously the patient makes a full recovery.Only God knows when its time to go,who are you killl people? Are you God? Did you create them? Killl my own relative or friend even with their consent you will show me bums of a snake...lol (direct translation) Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Naked
I'm not christian.
Is it 'christian' to prolong a life? If someone has terminal cancer, should they be given medication to ease their pain or prolong their life? If someone has ANY form of cancer, should they be given treatment? What does your faith dictate Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
@Mommac - I UNDERstand you are not Christian and I will respect that. But I AM.All I know from my religion is that Killling someoneelse is a sin! No matter how ,uch you suger coat it and use some fancy words to make it sound light,in my eyes its killling. Whether someone has cancer or not,nobody has the right to take their lives. Giving them medication makes them feel better . Like I said,there are instances where a patient is on the death bed,and then makes a full recovery,what do you say about those? Hope I answered your Question Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
guiliano
If people want to die why should they ask other for assistance? this is like assisted suicide and i believe if one cannot create life he should not take life. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Naked
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live - during the early days of christianity, any herbal practitioner was labelled a 'witch' and buurnt at the stake. Do you still believe that should be done today? If so, most of our doctors would be history.
You are young and have been completely protected from the harsh reality of pain. You have never seen a dearly beloved aunt who cannot be hugged because the bone cancer has progressed to such an extent that she is as fragile as a snowflake. You have never experienced a grandmother who cannot sleep due to the pain of muscular dystrophy and who simply sits and cries all day, every day. God doesn't care. He hung up the 'gone fishing' sign long ago. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
Naked. Spare us the sanctimonious proseletyzing. Many practicing Christians who are not completely blinded by some guy's interpretation of second or third hand marrations would sympathise with putting people out of suffering. To even dare suggest that my father, who was a deeply religious man, was unchristian in wishing for death after years of severe suffering is just a crazy insult. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
His organisation DignitySA was petitioning support on its website.
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I will be checking the website.
There is nothing wrong with euthanasia....... I have had this discussion with my family that should I be sick to an extent that I lose use of my faculties..... then should help end my life. I want to make an "exit" with my dignity intact, I cannot fathom the thought of having to bathed, taken to loo, etc. IT IS MY RIGHT TO LIVE OR DIE...........
Irony is some Drs help patients die, one of my sisters is a Dr but she is dead-set against helping me....
"The difficulty has been getting the medical fraternity to speak out ... mostly because they signed the Hippocratic Oath."
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Which at times can be HYPOCRATIC......................... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
In it he said the key question was whether legalising assisted death would be consistent with the Bill of Rights in the Constitution
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For me it will be........... RIGHT TO DIE IN DIGNITY Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
MommoC
yES in your eyes I might be young. But FYI my stepmom,the one who raised me died of Leukemia. I was there every step of the way.We witnessed the pain and suffering she wentthrough,but we still prayed and hoped for some miracle to save her because we knew once she is gone,no one would take care of us. Those who support this idea,are people who would have been "fed up" of taking care of a sick person. Terminally ill patients can be very stressful and quite a handful. Similar to DRS they support this idea because there is too much work in their hands,hence they take the easy way out which is wrong
I wont comment on your first paragraph because you will confuse me and qoute from the bible and show me how itcontradicts itself and make me confused,so no,I will stick to what I know "which is its a sin to take another human being's life Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
M4V
Maezizsto4Sure
M4V
No no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblical
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Suicide?Tjo
I also agree that it is the patient's right to give consent to the doctors once they cant take it any more.I mean here you are,you can see that the person is suffering,he's in pain and chances of survival are just not there and he asks you as a doctor to help him out.Its only fair to help the person out of his misery.
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Do you think escaping the pain will end the suffering? NO! when you ask your doctor to help you to die, you are committing suicide witch will land you in the gates of hell where you will suffer torment and 100 X worse the pain you felt while you were still alive.
Rather suffer with pain temporarily and die in God’s time and go to heaven
How is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through.
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Does your receipt by any chance include potassium????? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
RobinH
Naked. Spare us the sanctimonious proseletyzing. Many practicing Christians who are not completely blinded by some guy's interpretation of second or third hand marrations would sympathise with putting people out of suffering. To even dare suggest that my father, who was a deeply religious man, was unchristian in wishing for death after years of severe suffering is just a crazy insult.
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I wont apologise for you feeling insulted coz that was not my intention at all. you will just have to be strong because I stand for what I believe in, KILLLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS A SIN! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
M4V: "Gates of hell." Fire and brimstone. A religion that relies on fear of retribution to instill faith has a fundamental flaw. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Lethabo44
That is not a good thing at all as some people would never be given a chance to come out of the coma.How do you specify that death?No,please let God do His own will with His own people. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
dimpho_4U
SOUTH Africa should legalise euthanasia as many doctors are already secretly helping elderly patients to die
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"Secretly" helping someone to die....it's murder and your target is the "elderly" , I feel perplexed if the "Euthanasia" is implemented and legalised , things are going to get awol , i promise you....things done in the secret are a No,No! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
@Lethabo44-.How do you specify that death?No,please let God do His own will with His own people.
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Besides,some lazy Drs and nurses will take advantage of this stupid idea and killl patients because they have a lot to attend to. If they see you are worse and are not getting any better,chances are they will get rid of you. Its really not a good idea
I am all for euthenasia. I also wont want to prolong my life at the expense of my children - I want to be able to die dignified, the world is overpopulated anyway, this thing with trying to keep people living longer (with NO quality of life) - is absurd - it is just a way the pharmaceutical companies want to make even more money, because this is all they are interested in - not the wellbeing and dignity of the people ... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
LOL
No. Its all herbal and non traceable with ordinary blood tox screening :) Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Flemza
let this be put for public debate , lets the people decides if this is going to be a bill , I don`t think it will work here in Africa , we are still Africans not Europeans , New Zealanders , so please proffesor take your debate somewhere , where they have ears for that , not hear in Africa sorry , don`t waste our Palamentarians time , they have better issues to debate about , for once let our beloved country be Africa for christ sake Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MGEEZ
RobinH
MommaC
Your view is indeed based on your own experience and reality; however we can not and should minimize others experiences because they argue contrary to our view. A contrary view from your yours simply means just that; a contrary view; it does not and should never be misinterpreted to mean that such a view holder has never seen pain and long suffering in their lives!!! All what it means we have a difference of opinion.
I am sure even without saying it you know that my view is the same as Naked in that because i did not create myself; no circumstance therefore has risen or will arise where in i should take my life. But because I am aware of the fact that not everyone in this country and the world of-course shares my view; I am willing to co-exist with those who reason differently. Hence i always engage well meaning individuals who have a contray view from mine for the purpose of finding a common ground where possible and in this case it is possible!!! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
lindsay
@Mommac
it is convenient for naked to hide behind religion. ask her how many commandments does she practice in her faith. she should just say she does not believe it herself and stop imposing her beliefs on other people, is she God also to determine what others wish.funny she says only God has a right to take life was David God ? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
dimpho_4U
@Flemza ...kikiki this professor has a criminal record,(was once in detention)..he comes to Africa with his "foot,foot experimental nonsense"...Africa always has to be the target of such dismay..LOL Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Naked
Oh child! You are so very young and confused.
How well did your religion answer your prayers and did modern medicine attempt to prolong your step-mother's life?
I am so very sorry that you lost her and I am very sorry that she suffered. I cannot, however, believe that you put mercy down to pure self interest. It has nothing to do with being 'tired' of looking after a loved one. You never get 'tired' of looking after someone you love. It is to do with THEIR wishes and THEIR best interests. The most selfish thing a person can do is to happily watch a loved one go through hell on earth because they don't want to deal with their own pain of burying them. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Mzanzibar
Sowetan readers just like to get emotinal and dramatic over nothing maan! a lot of you guys clearly do not understand what this is about and you just getting excited over nothing!
This is about a patient who is dying vele (chronic disease), and requests that the doctor put them to sleep, and this is when the client is suffering and is in unbearable pain. this has nothing to do with family members requesting you to be put to sleep. Its about the patient themselves saying they want to die. Gore wives that want money di kena kae----i dont know!!!!
I personally believe that i will die when i die, i will not speed up the process, its not in my hands to do that. But for those that do not believe in a God, or those that are really just tired of suffering: i will not judge.
M4V-Have you ever heard or seen someone who went to heaven?What really goes to heaven your soul?How am I going to feel the pain you talking about when I am dead?
The great part of religion is that it requires no logic. If a priest of an imam says it is so then it is so. No logic, thought or investment is required. It is, essentially, an excuse not to take personal responsibility for your own actions. An assumption that we are all just puppets in some great cosmic show and brains are excess to requirement.
I have no problem with people having religious view. If that is what it takes to plug their boat then good for them. I don't, however, appreciate the idea that I should be required to follow their faith or even to take it into consideration when making my own choices Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Mzanzibar
Thank you.
A well thought out comment at last! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
lindsay
@Mommac
it is convenient for naked to hide behind religion. ask her how many commandments does she practice in her faith. she should just say she does not believe it herself and stop imposing her beliefs on other people, is she God also to determine what others wish.funny she says only God has a right to take life was David God ?
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Its okay for you to ask me. I will answer you direct,no need for you to go via Mommac. Show me where I imposed my religion to anybody here, please show me Miss.Please do! My first comment to Momoc I indicated that I respect that she is not a Christian,but I am,and I stand for what I believe in, whats there not to understand? This is a matter of opinion and we happen to differ in that regard ,so by not agreeing to Mommmac,Robin and You, im imposing my Religion on you? Wow!!!!! Please refer to MGEEZ's comment as I think he put it much better than I did. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
LOL
No. Its all herbal and non traceable with ordinary blood tox screening :)
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Please share........... I need it for myself
Religion by definition is a matter of belief and denies logic. Pointless reasoning with people locked into some scripture. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
MommaC - OLD LADY you are the one confused because you want to justify the unjustifiable! You did not answer my question, what do you think of some cases where a terminally ill patient suddenly makes a full recovery,what do you say of those? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Mzanzibar
Thank you.
Emotive language and blogging will just raise their HPB
@RobinH
Religion by definition is a matter of belief and denies logic. Pointless reasoning with people locked into some scripture.
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And thats your opinion Sir. Respect that some people will differ Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Eish, honey! To put something like that on a public forum would be just too irresponsible. I couldn't possibly do that. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
@Mzanzibar
I personally believe that i will die when i die, i will not speed up the process, its not in my hands to do that. But for those that do not believe in a God, or those that are really just tired of suffering: i will not judge.
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Well put.
When have you heard of a person who is terminally ill and has exhausted the best medical options suddenly becoming 'well' again? This isn't a tent revival scam. People don't just suddenly cure themselves of terminal diseases when they are on their death beds Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
golly459
would you able to forgive yourself that you personaly teminate life of your parent. Report Abuse
I personally think that no one must have a right to take a life of another. No matter what the situation is, the right time will come for that person to cross over.
It is so painful to see a loved one suffer and see their body slowly fading away but when did it become my right to end their suffering? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
dimpho_4U
I think this boils down to individual "choice and decision", however we read a lot about incompetent medical personnel and cases ...i just hope no one will take advantage of this and use it to spite people as it's done in the "secret" Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
Mommac - You know what you and me will never agree on this issue,we can argue till we are blue on the face but truth of the matter we are seeing things differently. Lets just leave it at that - Miracles do happen, there are cases like those I mentioned above, but I know you are going to ask me prove to you in here of which really im not in that mood. , its exhausting. I believe what I believe in,and you believe in what you believe in,its a matter of choice at the end of the day ,so lets leave it at that Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
NMaked. I certainly do. But just think about who is the one being judgemental here. I do believe it is you branding a deeply religious man a sinner. So please stick to your own little lesson. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Naked
I'm not asking you to prove anything. Simply give me the name of a person who was on their death bed, had exhausted all modern medical options and suddenly got well again. I'll do the searching from there. It may even change my mind.
no no big no how can they legaliza that someone has a right to take someone else life,to be honesty with this policies where by someone knows that is a beneficiary to your millions he/she can simply pay the doctor to finish you, besides sometimes people do come out of comma then why finishing
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they are some doctors who doesnt have passion for being doctors just doing it for money if you irritates them by crying through your pain they will just simply finish you. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
dimpho_4U
@golly459 hey sista, especially at these overcrowded government hospital they will finish you...struu Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
@Robin - I truly do not understand. How was I being judgemental by simple mentioning what I believe in. I said im a Christain and we do not support this idea. Hows that being judgemental? He bantu!
@Mommac- Please,even if I give you the name you wont know the person and my aim is not to change your mind what will i gain if you do change uour mind. Are you the one who has the final decision to allow this idea to legalised? Please Lady .... Is it that hard to accept that someone sees things differently...please read MGEEZ's comment again maybe you will understand this time..yoh! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
golly459
no no big no how can they legaliza that someone has a right to take someone else life,to be honesty with this policies where by someone knows that is a beneficiary to your millions he/she can simply pay the doctor to finish you, besides sometimes people do come out of comma then why finishing
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they are some doctors who doesnt have passion for being doctors just doing it for money if you irritates them by crying through your pain they will just simply finish you
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Excatly!! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
Naked. Oh my but you are either very slow, or in deial. You branded my father a sinner, and now you don't know how that is judgemental. Try to THINK! I know it might be hard. Report Abuse
Robin - he he he Did I brand your father a sinner? I dont even know your father. I simple REBUKED a sin,I did not JUDGE. If you do not agree with something does it mean im being judgmental. No OLD MAN ,YOU think....
You can not always be right all the time. Please man accept that some people wont see things the way you do Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
Read your own words, you silly lady. I have had enopugh of your self-righteous rant. Bye. You accept the same thing, you hypocrite. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
McLoving
Euthanasia is wrong and unacceptable.It is illegal and unethical for doctors to secretly terminate patients lives.Davidson as a professor should know better.He should name those doctors and bring them to book or he should be charged with perverting the course of justice. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
ROBINH - HE HE HE SO long old man...watch your step ,dont fall ....byeeeeeeee Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
RobinH
McLoving. Do some research. Read the article itself. No-one is talking about some coven of nasty warlock clinicians sitting and secretly killing off people. Jeez, oke. THINK. It is done based on the will of the patient. Read the article, you knuckle. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Naked
Robin..hahahaa why do you call people names when they differ with your opinion,you called ,me silly now you calling somene a Knuckle ,lol careful with that heart, that anger is not good. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
M4V
Maezizsto4Sure
M4V-Have you ever heard or seen someone who went to heaven?What really goes to heaven your soul?How am I going to feel the pain you talking about when I am dead?
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Actually I’m reading a book by Todd Burpo about a 4 year old boy who left his body during surgery and went to heaven. You don’t have to believe it but I do
If you did not leave a righteous life, when you die your soul goes to hell and your spirit returns to the maker witch is God.
Just give me the name. I have various search engines and I'm sure there were medical papers written about it so it should be in the public domain. Report Abuse
Just give me the name. I have various search engines and I'm sure there were medical papers written about it so it should be in the public domain
WOMAN,are you the one with the final say in the legalisation of this idea? You search and then? We differ in opinion lets leave it at that. My last comment to you. Let it rest or follow Robin H to the bathroom...jerrrrrrrrrrrr Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Shredder
@Naked - I think you have made your point dear. You won't win this debate. Wena, what you have to do, pass the message. Whether a person disagrees with you or not, at least you have passed the message. By the way, I am with you and share the same belief :-D Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
McLoving
@RobinH
I have read the article and understood.Euthanasia has been and is still a debatable issue for many years and still remains illegal. Report Abuse
Naked. Your responses are really very mature and speak volumes. I am leaving this pathetic excuse for a debate. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MommaC
Naked
Stop getting yourself all emotional. YOU said you know of people and I simply asked for a single name. Either you were not being completely truthful or you are simply being obstructive now.
All I am asking for is a name. It is difficult to open one's mind with nothing but emotional ranting when it is 'facts' that are required. You aren't going to change my mind with the 'because I said so' but you WILL get me to change my mind if you give me a logical, factual case study. Why are you so dead set against that? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Mellow
I dont think a sick person is really capable of making such life/death decisions. We all know it sucks going through pain and sometimes or most of the one will feel like death is the only solution as they will be pain free but what if a doctor just agrees with a patient only to find a solution to the disease after putting a poor person to rest? Family should be involved in such matters we cant just take a doctors word on this and all parties must be counselled thoroughly. Overall this is a fckd-up policy period Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Candyboy
@Marquez
@DJWinner dont play GOD here okay? He doesnt need your planless help. What is being done by this doctors is what the BIBLE calls, Blaspheny. Woe to him who takes one's life
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and WOE to him who speaks drivel without substantial and factual information to back up his stance againt this act...... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Candyboy
I despise the nakedness on this blogg.............! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
McLoving
@RobinH
Life is sacrosanct,then death is presumably the greatest possible harm..Not doing harm has been fundamental to doctors and other health workers since the Hippocratic Oath and code of conduct.
The law assumes that doctors will act in patients best interest,,,but on the other hand for e.g a decision made for an unconscious patient may not reflect the best interest of that patient. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Raffmama
@RobinH
YES!!! I have long been an advocate of allowing people to choose whether they want tio continue suffering, or not. It is my life. I should be allowed to decide when it is to be terminated.
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From an insurance perspective - people will open insurance policies worth billions and opt to die so that the rest of the family members can live large in Big world! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Candyboy
@Raffmama
how about you being my insurance broker....? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
McLoving
@Mellow
I fully agree with you.
Some of these decisions are made from greed,costs and limited bugdets and demands in ICU's.Financial costs in ICU's are especially high and these influences decisions made on economis grounds.. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
McLoving
@RobinH
Euthanasia violates the sanctity of life. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
BaleliM
No one must be given a choice to end a life, that is murder, no matter what big words you use. personal opinion Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Raffmama
@Candyboy
@Raffmama
how about you being my insurance broker....?
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Raffie only excels in the bedroom ---i am more than willing to welcome you in my stable of g!golos!! Report Abuse
This is a tricky situation, whatever the state decides, people always find way of abusing systems......
From my moral point of view, ragardless of the person is concious or not, NO ONE deserve to be put down like an animal.....
WTBS.......No onle likes to see their loved one suffer, if it's a case of Switching off the life support machine, then, im for it.....But just injecting someone to end their suffering is too much.... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
DjEp
This is such a good things i have a list already
1) Zuma
2) Vacant
3) Vacant
4) Malema
5) All politicians except Mandela Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
wendyyah
but wouldnt this give doctors the right to foul play with patient life's. this is a very senstive issue Report Abuse
If the principle of withdrawing treatment is accepted then deciding what to withdraw can create a dilemma.Patient should be treated with respect and dignity rather than just a biologically functioning organisms. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
mkgalabye
it seems nobody gives a damn about the poor doctor!!!!!! its the same as abortion,,,,i hope the policy remains the same as for abortion....Doctors have a right to refuse to do abortion then the patient will/have ask the next doctor....i dnt wanna see myself on that predicament...as a Doctor i am a human beign, u talking as if the injection will be administered by a machine....... Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
John Stuart Mill said that over his own body and mind an individual is sovereign. I also believe in liberty, and if a person is in a rational state of mind, and would like to stop living, that he or she has the right to that.
In accordance with 'do no harm', to keep a patient trapped in suffering, that would be harm - the release from suffering, that would be mercy.
McLoving: " treated with respect and dignity" That is exactly what euthenasia allows, rather than to have the poor patient withering away, losing all his/her faculties, not knowing their own children. Your position is self-contradictory. Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
Mxcm!!!
@ShadesofGrey
Well said ol chap!!
But nawe you said it..."....if a person is in a rational state of mind..." and just how de we gage that, that the person who's asking to be "put down" like some stray dog!
Understandibly the person is going through living hell...knowing theyu going to die...not knowing when and going through the pain etc...but would a person be that rational in that state of mind to be able to say" hey i want out??" How do we know that?? That's my gripe with this whole euthanasia ish! Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
ShadesOfGrey
The lack of dignity implied with 'putting down a stray dog' is disingenuous, I'd argue quite the opposite. For example a person who suffers from Altzheimer's or other degenerative disease may be ready to say goodbye to loved ones in a rational dignified manner before slowly and painfully turning into an empty shell.
Not only does such a patient keep her dignity, but the family is also left with a different set of memories. There many such examples where a decision to choose death is completely rational.
I agree. Like Rhino horn, if it's illegal it'll still happen. Must regulate such things carefully. Sign the 'living will'
who can afford a braindead person under care??? What for? Report Abuse
Jul 14, 2012
Boamaruri
Why are we discussing this? If a guy is in pain, we are in no way feeling the intensity of their suffering, and an individual decision should be exactly that! Report Abuse
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RobinH
YES!!! I have long been an advocate of allowing people to choose whether they want tio continue suffering, or not. It is my life. I should be allowed to decide when it is to be terminated.Report Abuse
Limpopoist
I have no probem with these Doctors,it really painful to for the suffering people waiting in such pain for their last dayReport Abuse
Tsar-Rasputin
Is either yor are a Doctor or undertaker, finish and klaarReport Abuse
RobinH
My father suffered terribly for years, and it was terrible to watch. He himself wished it over, but it just went on.... and on.... and on. Bring on legitimate euthenasia!Report Abuse
Doculam
Imagine this situation: You are unconscious in hospital, your greedy wife is waiting for a big policy on your name to payout to her. She must now instruct the Dr on your fate.....Report Abuse
Mrazane
Tsar Rasputin - I share your sentiment, doctors are there to save lives not take them, even undertakers bury the dead they don't take lives....if abelungu befuna ukubulalalana ababulalane bodwa le kude not on african soi!Report Abuse
Marquez
Only God gives life and only HIM must end it!! Who the hell are you to decide who dies when and why?Report Abuse
BRA-MAFUTHA
THERE ARE TWO HOSPITALS KNOWN FOR KILLING PATIENTS BARA HOSPITAL AND NATAL SPRUIT....Undertakers and doctors are making huge money its a big business for them im not surprised that it’s also happening in other provincesReport Abuse
2sweet
Its kind to end pain and suffering but is it our right?...jst askingReport Abuse
DJWinner
Will be good for our country. There is a lot of people in this country, even in this site, who can use this help. We can help them die. I have a list of those useless madafuckas.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
I think that human beings take themselves far too seriously. If you did not make yourself why would you want to take your life? Tomorrow you are going to have Doctors who assist people to die when the individuals concerned never asked to be assisted that way!!! i hope that our government never agrees with such a notion!!!Report Abuse
RobinH
Doculam: It doesn't work like that. The patient makes provision in his/her will.Marquez: ANd with respect, who the hell is your God to claim those rights?
DJ: You on the list, Bro?
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M4V
No no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblicalReport Abuse
MommaC
They shoot horses, don't they?How is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through.
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Marquez
@DJWinner dont play GOD here okay? He doesnt need your planless help. What is being done by this doctors is what the BIBLE calls, Blaspheny. Woe to him who takes one's lifeReport Abuse
lindsay
its your life and if with your authority you give consent to the doctor to end it who have a right to question that, funny how sinners hide behind God to impose their fears on others. if you are a coward who wants to suffer with a hope that you will be cured when you know deep down you are not then its your choice too.Report Abuse
RobinH
Because of current legislation I have explained to my children that I will be taking myself out should I find myself terminally ill. They initially were very upset about the notion, but have accepted it after watching their grandfather suffer.Report Abuse
Marquez
@RobinH there is but one God who is in heaven, thats whom I'm talking about. Thats my GodReport Abuse
Doculam
@RobinH: Its just a bit of Friday humor. I know that your dad must have suffered and you guys must have felt so powerless, sorry about that. I agree with your sentiment, as long as each and every such case is closely monitored to ensure only the affected patient's best interest is considered.Report Abuse
Shredder
No euthanasia for me. Accidental or natural death will do fine for me not self termination.Report Abuse
Maezizsto4Sure
M4VNo no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblical
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Suicide?Tjo
I also agree that it is the patient's right to give consent to the doctors once they cant take it any more.I mean here you are,you can see that the person is suffering,he's in pain and chances of survival are just not there and he asks you as a doctor to help him out.Its only fair to help the person out of his misery.
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MGEEZ
@DJWinnerWill be good for our country. There is a lot of people in this country, even in this site, who can use this help. We can help them die. I have a list of those useless madafuckas.
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Hahahahahahahahha, very funny; do u mind sharing the list with us please? i am sure that I am in your list; i just want to see whereabout am i in this list? Lol
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MGEEZ
@MommaCHow is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through.
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What manner of training did you give these your kids, that now according to your admission they have the courage to murder their mum should a need arise???
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MommaC
MGEEZIt isn't 'murder' if it is at my request.
Putting down a family pet which has terminal cancer or liver failure is hard and painful but you do it. You do it because it is just cruel to force them to live with the pain and suffering. I didn't bring up children who delight in the pain of others
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dimpho_4U
eish, mara this one is debatable.... is it murder or really helping a patient out??!....Report Abuse
golly459
Y blocking my comment sowetan mara eixxxxxReport Abuse
Naked
CHRISTIANS would disagree. Only God knows when its time for you to go. Its a sin. Its murder,domt suger coat it with fancy words to justify the evil act - its MURDER and its a SIN. Sin committed by the DR AND sin committed by the patient!!!!Report Abuse
Naked
THERE are some cases where a patient is knocking on the death's door and family and friends have lost hope,but miraculously the patient makes a full recovery.Only God knows when its time to go,who are you killl people? Are you God? Did you create them? Killl my own relative or friend even with their consent you will show me bums of a snake...lol (direct translation)Report Abuse
MommaC
NakedI'm not christian.
Is it 'christian' to prolong a life? If someone has terminal cancer, should they be given medication to ease their pain or prolong their life? If someone has ANY form of cancer, should they be given treatment? What does your faith dictate
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Naked
@Mommac - I UNDERstand you are not Christian and I will respect that. But I AM.All I know from my religion is that Killling someoneelse is a sin! No matter how ,uch you suger coat it and use some fancy words to make it sound light,in my eyes its killling. Whether someone has cancer or not,nobody has the right to take their lives. Giving them medication makes them feel better . Like I said,there are instances where a patient is on the death bed,and then makes a full recovery,what do you say about those? Hope I answered your QuestionReport Abuse
guiliano
If people want to die why should they ask other for assistance? this is like assisted suicide and i believe if one cannot create life he should not take life.Report Abuse
MommaC
NakedThou shalt not suffer a witch to live - during the early days of christianity, any herbal practitioner was labelled a 'witch' and buurnt at the stake. Do you still believe that should be done today? If so, most of our doctors would be history.
You are young and have been completely protected from the harsh reality of pain. You have never seen a dearly beloved aunt who cannot be hugged because the bone cancer has progressed to such an extent that she is as fragile as a snowflake. You have never experienced a grandmother who cannot sleep due to the pain of muscular dystrophy and who simply sits and cries all day, every day. God doesn't care. He hung up the 'gone fishing' sign long ago.
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RobinH
Naked. Spare us the sanctimonious proseletyzing. Many practicing Christians who are not completely blinded by some guy's interpretation of second or third hand marrations would sympathise with putting people out of suffering. To even dare suggest that my father, who was a deeply religious man, was unchristian in wishing for death after years of severe suffering is just a crazy insult.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
His organisation DignitySA was petitioning support on its website.*********************************************************************************************
I will be checking the website.
There is nothing wrong with euthanasia....... I have had this discussion with my family that should I be sick to an extent that I lose use of my faculties..... then should help end my life. I want to make an "exit" with my dignity intact, I cannot fathom the thought of having to bathed, taken to loo, etc. IT IS MY RIGHT TO LIVE OR DIE...........
Irony is some Drs help patients die, one of my sisters is a Dr but she is dead-set against helping me....
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
"The difficulty has been getting the medical fraternity to speak out ... mostly because they signed the Hippocratic Oath."******************************************************************************************************************88
Which at times can be HYPOCRATIC.........................
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
In it he said the key question was whether legalising assisted death would be consistent with the Bill of Rights in the Constitution**************************************************************************************************************************
For me it will be........... RIGHT TO DIE IN DIGNITY
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Naked
MommoCyES in your eyes I might be young. But FYI my stepmom,the one who raised me died of Leukemia. I was there every step of the way.We witnessed the pain and suffering she wentthrough,but we still prayed and hoped for some miracle to save her because we knew once she is gone,no one would take care of us. Those who support this idea,are people who would have been "fed up" of taking care of a sick person. Terminally ill patients can be very stressful and quite a handful. Similar to DRS they support this idea because there is too much work in their hands,hence they take the easy way out which is wrong
I wont comment on your first paragraph because you will confuse me and qoute from the bible and show me how itcontradicts itself and make me confused,so no,I will stick to what I know "which is its a sin to take another human being's life
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M4V
Maezizsto4SureM4V
No no no no and no!! How can they legalise suicide? Thats just wrong and unbiblical
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I also agree that it is the patient's right to give consent to the doctors once they cant take it any more.I mean here you are,you can see that the person is suffering,he's in pain and chances of survival are just not there and he asks you as a doctor to help him out.Its only fair to help the person out of his misery.
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Do you think escaping the pain will end the suffering? NO! when you ask your doctor to help you to die, you are committing suicide witch will land you in the gates of hell where you will suffer torment and 100 X worse the pain you felt while you were still alive.
Rather suffer with pain temporarily and die in God’s time and go to heaven
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@MommaCThey shoot horses, don't they?
How is this different from a DNR? Just because you CAN prolong life doesn't mean you always should. My kids have the recipe should my body become a painful burden to me. It is a hard thing to ask them to promise but they have the courage required to see it through.
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Good morning
Does your receipt by any chance include potassium?????
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Naked
RobinHNaked. Spare us the sanctimonious proseletyzing. Many practicing Christians who are not completely blinded by some guy's interpretation of second or third hand marrations would sympathise with putting people out of suffering. To even dare suggest that my father, who was a deeply religious man, was unchristian in wishing for death after years of severe suffering is just a crazy insult.
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I wont apologise for you feeling insulted coz that was not my intention at all. you will just have to be strong because I stand for what I believe in, KILLLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS A SIN!
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RobinH
M4V: "Gates of hell." Fire and brimstone. A religion that relies on fear of retribution to instill faith has a fundamental flaw.Report Abuse
Lethabo44
That is not a good thing at all as some people would never be given a chance to come out of the coma.How do you specify that death?No,please let God do His own will with His own people.Report Abuse
dimpho_4U
SOUTH Africa should legalise euthanasia as many doctors are already secretly helping elderly patients to die
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"Secretly" helping someone to die....it's murder and your target is the "elderly" , I feel perplexed if the "Euthanasia" is implemented and legalised , things are going to get awol , i promise you....things done in the secret are a No,No!
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Naked
@Lethabo44-.How do you specify that death?No,please let God do His own will with His own people._______________
.........................and at HIS own time.
Besides,some lazy Drs and nurses will take advantage of this stupid idea and killl patients because they have a lot to attend to. If they see you are worse and are not getting any better,chances are they will get rid of you. Its really not a good idea
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Bolander
I am all for euthenasia. I also wont want to prolong my life at the expense of my children - I want to be able to die dignified, the world is overpopulated anyway, this thing with trying to keep people living longer (with NO quality of life) - is absurd - it is just a way the pharmaceutical companies want to make even more money, because this is all they are interested in - not the wellbeing and dignity of the people ...Report Abuse
MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraLOL
No. Its all herbal and non traceable with ordinary blood tox screening :)
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Flemza
let this be put for public debate , lets the people decides if this is going to be a bill , I don`t think it will work here in Africa , we are still Africans not Europeans , New Zealanders , so please proffesor take your debate somewhere , where they have ears for that , not hear in Africa sorry , don`t waste our Palamentarians time , they have better issues to debate about , for once let our beloved country be Africa for christ sakeReport Abuse
MGEEZ
RobinHMommaC
Your view is indeed based on your own experience and reality; however we can not and should minimize others experiences because they argue contrary to our view. A contrary view from your yours simply means just that; a contrary view; it does not and should never be misinterpreted to mean that such a view holder has never seen pain and long suffering in their lives!!! All what it means we have a difference of opinion.
I am sure even without saying it you know that my view is the same as Naked in that because i did not create myself; no circumstance therefore has risen or will arise where in i should take my life. But because I am aware of the fact that not everyone in this country and the world of-course shares my view; I am willing to co-exist with those who reason differently. Hence i always engage well meaning individuals who have a contray view from mine for the purpose of finding a common ground where possible and in this case it is possible!!!
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lindsay
@Mommacit is convenient for naked to hide behind religion. ask her how many commandments does she practice in her faith. she should just say she does not believe it herself and stop imposing her beliefs on other people, is she God also to determine what others wish.funny she says only God has a right to take life was David God ?
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dimpho_4U
@Flemza ...kikiki this professor has a criminal record,(was once in detention)..he comes to Africa with his "foot,foot experimental nonsense"...Africa always has to be the target of such dismay..LOLReport Abuse
MommaC
NakedOh child! You are so very young and confused.
How well did your religion answer your prayers and did modern medicine attempt to prolong your step-mother's life?
I am so very sorry that you lost her and I am very sorry that she suffered. I cannot, however, believe that you put mercy down to pure self interest. It has nothing to do with being 'tired' of looking after a loved one. You never get 'tired' of looking after someone you love. It is to do with THEIR wishes and THEIR best interests. The most selfish thing a person can do is to happily watch a loved one go through hell on earth because they don't want to deal with their own pain of burying them.
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Mzanzibar
Sowetan readers just like to get emotinal and dramatic over nothing maan! a lot of you guys clearly do not understand what this is about and you just getting excited over nothing!This is about a patient who is dying vele (chronic disease), and requests that the doctor put them to sleep, and this is when the client is suffering and is in unbearable pain. this has nothing to do with family members requesting you to be put to sleep. Its about the patient themselves saying they want to die. Gore wives that want money di kena kae----i dont know!!!!
I personally believe that i will die when i die, i will not speed up the process, its not in my hands to do that. But for those that do not believe in a God, or those that are really just tired of suffering: i will not judge.
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Maezizsto4Sure
M4V-Have you ever heard or seen someone who went to heaven?What really goes to heaven your soul?How am I going to feel the pain you talking about when I am dead?Report Abuse
MommaC
lindsayThe great part of religion is that it requires no logic. If a priest of an imam says it is so then it is so. No logic, thought or investment is required. It is, essentially, an excuse not to take personal responsibility for your own actions. An assumption that we are all just puppets in some great cosmic show and brains are excess to requirement.
I have no problem with people having religious view. If that is what it takes to plug their boat then good for them. I don't, however, appreciate the idea that I should be required to follow their faith or even to take it into consideration when making my own choices
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MommaC
MzanzibarThank you.
A well thought out comment at last!
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Naked
lindsay@Mommac
it is convenient for naked to hide behind religion. ask her how many commandments does she practice in her faith. she should just say she does not believe it herself and stop imposing her beliefs on other people, is she God also to determine what others wish.funny she says only God has a right to take life was David God ?
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Its okay for you to ask me. I will answer you direct,no need for you to go via Mommac. Show me where I imposed my religion to anybody here, please show me Miss.Please do! My first comment to Momoc I indicated that I respect that she is not a Christian,but I am,and I stand for what I believe in, whats there not to understand? This is a matter of opinion and we happen to differ in that regard ,so by not agreeing to Mommmac,Robin and You, im imposing my Religion on you? Wow!!!!! Please refer to MGEEZ's comment as I think he put it much better than I did.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@MommaCMsKinkyakaKamaSutra
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No. Its all herbal and non traceable with ordinary blood tox screening :)
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Please share........... I need it for myself
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RobinH
Religion by definition is a matter of belief and denies logic. Pointless reasoning with people locked into some scripture.Report Abuse
Naked
MommaC - OLD LADY you are the one confused because you want to justify the unjustifiable! You did not answer my question, what do you think of some cases where a terminally ill patient suddenly makes a full recovery,what do you say of those?Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@MzanzibarThank you.
Emotive language and blogging will just raise their HPB
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Naked
@RobinHReligion by definition is a matter of belief and denies logic. Pointless reasoning with people locked into some scripture.
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And thats your opinion Sir. Respect that some people will differ
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MommaC
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraEish, honey! To put something like that on a public forum would be just too irresponsible. I couldn't possibly do that.
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Naked
@MzanzibarI personally believe that i will die when i die, i will not speed up the process, its not in my hands to do that. But for those that do not believe in a God, or those that are really just tired of suffering: i will not judge.
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Well put.
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MommaC
NakedWhen have you heard of a person who is terminally ill and has exhausted the best medical options suddenly becoming 'well' again? This isn't a tent revival scam. People don't just suddenly cure themselves of terminal diseases when they are on their death beds
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golly459
would you able to forgive yourself that you personaly teminate life of your parent.Report Abuse
Cl!ck
I've got an erection.. *Damn*Report Abuse
BaleliM
I personally think that no one must have a right to take a life of another. No matter what the situation is, the right time will come for that person to cross over.It is so painful to see a loved one suffer and see their body slowly fading away but when did it become my right to end their suffering?
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dimpho_4U
I think this boils down to individual "choice and decision", however we read a lot about incompetent medical personnel and cases ...i just hope no one will take advantage of this and use it to spite people as it's done in the "secret"Report Abuse
Naked
Mommac - You know what you and me will never agree on this issue,we can argue till we are blue on the face but truth of the matter we are seeing things differently. Lets just leave it at that - Miracles do happen, there are cases like those I mentioned above, but I know you are going to ask me prove to you in here of which really im not in that mood. , its exhausting. I believe what I believe in,and you believe in what you believe in,its a matter of choice at the end of the day ,so lets leave it at thatReport Abuse
RobinH
NMaked. I certainly do. But just think about who is the one being judgemental here. I do believe it is you branding a deeply religious man a sinner. So please stick to your own little lesson.Report Abuse
MommaC
NakedI'm not asking you to prove anything. Simply give me the name of a person who was on their death bed, had exhausted all modern medical options and suddenly got well again. I'll do the searching from there. It may even change my mind.
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golly459
no no big no how can they legaliza that someone has a right to take someone else life,to be honesty with this policies where by someone knows that is a beneficiary to your millions he/she can simply pay the doctor to finish you, besides sometimes people do come out of comma then why finishing==============================
they are some doctors who doesnt have passion for being doctors just doing it for money if you irritates them by crying through your pain they will just simply finish you.
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dimpho_4U
@golly459 hey sista, especially at these overcrowded government hospital they will finish you...struuReport Abuse
Naked
@Robin - I truly do not understand. How was I being judgemental by simple mentioning what I believe in. I said im a Christain and we do not support this idea. Hows that being judgemental? He bantu!@Mommac- Please,even if I give you the name you wont know the person and my aim is not to change your mind what will i gain if you do change uour mind. Are you the one who has the final decision to allow this idea to legalised? Please Lady .... Is it that hard to accept that someone sees things differently...please read MGEEZ's comment again maybe you will understand this time..yoh!
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Naked
golly459no no big no how can they legaliza that someone has a right to take someone else life,to be honesty with this policies where by someone knows that is a beneficiary to your millions he/she can simply pay the doctor to finish you, besides sometimes people do come out of comma then why finishing
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they are some doctors who doesnt have passion for being doctors just doing it for money if you irritates them by crying through your pain they will just simply finish you
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Excatly!!
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RobinH
Naked. Oh my but you are either very slow, or in deial. You branded my father a sinner, and now you don't know how that is judgemental. Try to THINK! I know it might be hard.Report Abuse
RobinH
sorry, "denial"....Report Abuse
Naked
Robin - he he he Did I brand your father a sinner? I dont even know your father. I simple REBUKED a sin,I did not JUDGE. If you do not agree with something does it mean im being judgmental. No OLD MAN ,YOU think....You can not always be right all the time. Please man accept that some people wont see things the way you do
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RobinH
Read your own words, you silly lady. I have had enopugh of your self-righteous rant. Bye. You accept the same thing, you hypocrite.Report Abuse
McLoving
Euthanasia is wrong and unacceptable.It is illegal and unethical for doctors to secretly terminate patients lives.Davidson as a professor should know better.He should name those doctors and bring them to book or he should be charged with perverting the course of justice.Report Abuse
Naked
ROBINH - HE HE HE SO long old man...watch your step ,dont fall ....byeeeeeeeeReport Abuse
RobinH
McLoving. Do some research. Read the article itself. No-one is talking about some coven of nasty warlock clinicians sitting and secretly killing off people. Jeez, oke. THINK. It is done based on the will of the patient. Read the article, you knuckle.Report Abuse
Naked
Robin..hahahaa why do you call people names when they differ with your opinion,you called ,me silly now you calling somene a Knuckle ,lol careful with that heart, that anger is not good.Report Abuse
M4V
Maezizsto4SureM4V-Have you ever heard or seen someone who went to heaven?What really goes to heaven your soul?How am I going to feel the pain you talking about when I am dead?
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Actually I’m reading a book by Todd Burpo about a 4 year old boy who left his body during surgery and went to heaven. You don’t have to believe it but I do
If you did not leave a righteous life, when you die your soul goes to hell and your spirit returns to the maker witch is God.
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MommaC
NakedJust give me the name. I have various search engines and I'm sure there were medical papers written about it so it should be in the public domain.
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Maezizsto4Sure
Wena you just gona confuse meReport Abuse
Naked
MommaCNaked
Just give me the name. I have various search engines and I'm sure there were medical papers written about it so it should be in the public domain
WOMAN,are you the one with the final say in the legalisation of this idea? You search and then? We differ in opinion lets leave it at that. My last comment to you. Let it rest or follow Robin H to the bathroom...jerrrrrrrrrrrr
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Shredder
@Naked - I think you have made your point dear. You won't win this debate. Wena, what you have to do, pass the message. Whether a person disagrees with you or not, at least you have passed the message. By the way, I am with you and share the same belief :-DReport Abuse
McLoving
@RobinHI have read the article and understood.Euthanasia has been and is still a debatable issue for many years and still remains illegal.
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Naked
@Shredder,thank you:)Report Abuse
RobinH
Naked. Your responses are really very mature and speak volumes. I am leaving this pathetic excuse for a debate.Report Abuse
MommaC
NakedStop getting yourself all emotional. YOU said you know of people and I simply asked for a single name. Either you were not being completely truthful or you are simply being obstructive now.
All I am asking for is a name. It is difficult to open one's mind with nothing but emotional ranting when it is 'facts' that are required. You aren't going to change my mind with the 'because I said so' but you WILL get me to change my mind if you give me a logical, factual case study. Why are you so dead set against that?
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Mellow
I dont think a sick person is really capable of making such life/death decisions. We all know it sucks going through pain and sometimes or most of the one will feel like death is the only solution as they will be pain free but what if a doctor just agrees with a patient only to find a solution to the disease after putting a poor person to rest? Family should be involved in such matters we cant just take a doctors word on this and all parties must be counselled thoroughly. Overall this is a fckd-up policy periodReport Abuse
Candyboy
@Marquez@DJWinner dont play GOD here okay? He doesnt need your planless help. What is being done by this doctors is what the BIBLE calls, Blaspheny. Woe to him who takes one's life
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and WOE to him who speaks drivel without substantial and factual information to back up his stance againt this act......
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Candyboy
I despise the nakedness on this blogg.............!Report Abuse
McLoving
@RobinHLife is sacrosanct,then death is presumably the greatest possible harm..Not doing harm has been fundamental to doctors and other health workers since the Hippocratic Oath and code of conduct.
The law assumes that doctors will act in patients best interest,,,but on the other hand for e.g a decision made for an unconscious patient may not reflect the best interest of that patient.
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Raffmama
@RobinHYES!!! I have long been an advocate of allowing people to choose whether they want tio continue suffering, or not. It is my life. I should be allowed to decide when it is to be terminated.
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From an insurance perspective - people will open insurance policies worth billions and opt to die so that the rest of the family members can live large in Big world!
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Candyboy
@Raffmamahow about you being my insurance broker....?
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McLoving
@MellowI fully agree with you.
Some of these decisions are made from greed,costs and limited bugdets and demands in ICU's.Financial costs in ICU's are especially high and these influences decisions made on economis grounds..
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McLoving
@RobinHEuthanasia violates the sanctity of life.
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BaleliM
No one must be given a choice to end a life, that is murder, no matter what big words you use. personal opinionReport Abuse
Raffmama
@Candyboy@Raffmama
how about you being my insurance broker....?
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Raffie only excels in the bedroom ---i am more than willing to welcome you in my stable of g!golos!!
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McLoving
@RobinHWho is a knucle now?
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Lehido
This is a tricky situation, whatever the state decides, people always find way of abusing systems......From my moral point of view, ragardless of the person is concious or not, NO ONE deserve to be put down like an animal.....
WTBS.......No onle likes to see their loved one suffer, if it's a case of Switching off the life support machine, then, im for it.....But just injecting someone to end their suffering is too much....
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DjEp
This is such a good things i have a list already1) Zuma
2) Vacant
3) Vacant
4) Malema
5) All politicians except Mandela
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wendyyah
but wouldnt this give doctors the right to foul play with patient life's. this is a very senstive issueReport Abuse
Candyboy
@wendyyahyou are a sensitive issue
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McLoving
@LehidoIf the principle of withdrawing treatment is accepted then deciding what to withdraw can create a dilemma.Patient should be treated with respect and dignity rather than just a biologically functioning organisms.
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mkgalabye
it seems nobody gives a damn about the poor doctor!!!!!! its the same as abortion,,,,i hope the policy remains the same as for abortion....Doctors have a right to refuse to do abortion then the patient will/have ask the next doctor....i dnt wanna see myself on that predicament...as a Doctor i am a human beign, u talking as if the injection will be administered by a machine.......Report Abuse
ShadesOfGrey
John Stuart Mill said that over his own body and mind an individual is sovereign. I also believe in liberty, and if a person is in a rational state of mind, and would like to stop living, that he or she has the right to that.In accordance with 'do no harm', to keep a patient trapped in suffering, that would be harm - the release from suffering, that would be mercy.
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RobinH
McLoving. Not me, Bro. >>>>> I remain rational.Shades of Grey> EXACTLY!
McLoving: " treated with respect and dignity" That is exactly what euthenasia allows, rather than to have the poor patient withering away, losing all his/her faculties, not knowing their own children. Your position is self-contradictory.
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Mxcm!!!
@ShadesofGreyWell said ol chap!!
But nawe you said it..."....if a person is in a rational state of mind..." and just how de we gage that, that the person who's asking to be "put down" like some stray dog!
Understandibly the person is going through living hell...knowing theyu going to die...not knowing when and going through the pain etc...but would a person be that rational in that state of mind to be able to say" hey i want out??" How do we know that?? That's my gripe with this whole euthanasia ish!
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ShadesOfGrey
The lack of dignity implied with 'putting down a stray dog' is disingenuous, I'd argue quite the opposite. For example a person who suffers from Altzheimer's or other degenerative disease may be ready to say goodbye to loved ones in a rational dignified manner before slowly and painfully turning into an empty shell.Not only does such a patient keep her dignity, but the family is also left with a different set of memories. There many such examples where a decision to choose death is completely rational.
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WarrenG
I agree. Like Rhino horn, if it's illegal it'll still happen. Must regulate such things carefully. Sign the 'living will'who can afford a braindead person under care??? What for?
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Boamaruri
Why are we discussing this? If a guy is in pain, we are in no way feeling the intensity of their suffering, and an individual decision should be exactly that!Report Abuse
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