Rudzani Ludere said the attack on them during the Nelson Mandela memorial lecture on Tuesday, which was delivered by Zuma in Thohoyandou, was orchestrated by "somebody who is a Zulu" but did not mention the person by name
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I didn’t new that we are in a tribal war here, is too early they are going to see fire works as days approach Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Memme
Ka nnete bofelo bja lefase bo fithlile, These are all the signs that were predicted by the bible. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Sugaar
We'll support anyone so long as it is not Zuma
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I like this one. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
YLmember
I full agree with Ancyl in limpopo that Zuma leave.
If they want Kgalema, do u think Kgalema will back nationalisation. No 1 in the ANC leadership will support Tthe ANCYL on this 1. Secondly land grabbing is also not going to be supported by Kgalema. So who ever will take ropes and fail 2 adopt ANCYL's policies, he/she is out period.
ANC Youth League leaders in Limpopo yesterday declared that they would support any candidate who will stand against President Jacob Zuma in December.
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THAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Vhamsanda
I am not sure if Motlanthe is the rite candidate for position of president , simply because he lacks back bone. He is a hard worker but does have leadership qualities. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
hiddengold
when kzn said they backed zuma they were called tribalists whats this?it is only natural to support a candidate from your province abt wanting zuma to go everyone is entitled to have their own opinion we will see in december Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Debmann
who ever will bcome the next president they r all corrupt & ppl will b tired b4 they finish their term. It's a stupit process Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Jones
Tribal politics is very dangerous for any progressive nation . It is being very short sighted to use this to gain a bigger following be it anti or pro Zuma. The pple suggesting that Zuma is working for the betterment of his zulus should be very much aware that anyone can still construe that their choice of Montlante is also a tribal one. The problem is if we start using tribes as trump cards to fight our battles , the reality is anyone that can be voted into leadership still belongs to a particular tribe. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Makati
Zuma does not need Malema or ANCYL limpopo to lead the ANC after Mangaung.
Any one but Mbeki, they gave us Zuma, because he is not dancing to their music and has closed their tenders, they start a new campaign, any one but Zuma. Whoever is going to be tempted to accept a vote from these folks is in for a high jump. Motlanthe is too principled if he accept a nomination from this folks he is not going to last six months. Maybe they must try Sexwale he is a fellow Pedi and desperate to be President.. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mellow
zuma vs malema
I think we can all agree that this 2 really need to go before more ppl lose their lives its ridiculous and ppl are so stupid they are failing to see them for what they really are. More ppl are gonna die in this war and its worse cause its turning into a tribal war oohh how the whites must be laughing at you black stupid ppl yáll are crazy man yerrr Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
GigiMavalani
Who are they trying to fool? This small boys and girls of the so called youth league think they are bigger than the anc, the anc was there before they were born and will exist for some few years before it looses power because of their stupidity. What are they doing themselves to the poor people of Limpopo rather than throwing party after party and driving flashy cars stealing our money everyday through tenderpreneurship. So if Zuma is developing Nkandla its good for him and should be eye opener for them to do the same for people of Limpopo. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
TheGenius
I am also singing the same tune with you guys. Zuma must go! This is is NOT a tribalist view. Nathi singamaZulu sithi uZuma asimfuni. Yebo akhona amanye amaZulu amthandayo, but as for me, and my household, we are fed up with uZuma. Let him go...
Zuma has overstayed his welcome. Wayexosha uMbeki nje wayethi kuyobanjani. Ukungafundi kuyingozi ngoba ukuba ufundile nje wayeyokwazi ukuthi isondo liyajikajika. The tables have truned! Akahambe eyokwelusa amadada eNkandla.
Immediately after Manguang, they must summon him to court to answer his over 700 fraud charges... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Limpopoist
ZUMA should be remove Tabo Mbeki style Finish and klaar Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
YLmember
Some of us support Zuma in polokwane because we saw ourselve in him, “so we thought”. We wanted to symbolised the notion that u don’t need to be born with a silver spoon to make it in life. But the complexity of running a country and the biggest & oldest movement in Africa overwhelmed Zuma. Instead of him seeking assistance in the movement, he run to Guptas and outsource leadership responsibility to them. We don’t want Zuma because he has failed to united he Anc and the country. “hence our position that Zuma must go”
Debmann
who ever will bcome the next president they r all corrupt & ppl will b tired b4 they finish their term. It's a stupit process
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Was Tata Mandela corrupt? Was President Thabo Mbeki corrupt? all steriotypes!
There are a lot of good Leaders within the organisation. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Stimela
are Zulus not allowed to support Motlanthe? Ludere if you go the Tribal route you will lose. Zuma is coming back for second term if you continue like this. Please ANCYL stop misusing the word "Zulu", Zuma is an ANC member he is not representing Zulu's in there, he is representing the ANC. if he fails ANC has failed.
its not about umZulu or iPedi its about SERVICE DILIVERY!
INGONYAMA ISILO SAMAZULU IS REPRESENTING ZULU'S. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
weneedeconomicfreedom
If Zuma was giving a Nelson Mandela memorial lecture, why is he not serving one term? Which Mandela was he was he talking about ? Zuma is 180 degrees out of phase with the former President Nelson Mandela yet he gives Mandela lecture. he banna!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
Stimela
are Zulus not allowed to support Motlanthe? Ludere if you go the Tribal route you will lose. Zuma is coming back for second term if you continue like this. Please ANCYL stop misusing the word "Zulu", Zuma is an ANC member he is not representing Zulu's in there, he is representing the ANC. if he fails ANC has failed.
its not about umZulu or iPedi its about SERVICE DILIVERY!
INGONYAMA ISILO SAMAZULU IS REPRESENTING ZULU'S.
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Stimela. You spot on. this is not about Zuma being Zulu. I dont know why ppl want to see this in the context of tribalism. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@Sowetan you are very good in editing speeches,.Where is the part where Ludere say Nkandla village looks like a city in KZN.
Zuma to me is another "MAN prostitude" - a croock & an idi0t. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
lisalisa
I totally agree with you Limpopoist...... HE MUST JUST GO!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
The problem with the Youth and all its members is one" You cannot speak on top of your voice as if you are in tarven to relay your vierws. Malema was adviced to be more civil,dignified,intellingent , but he opted to make lot of noice only to relay a single element of truth" The youth league thinks that the louder you speak the more truthfull or fearless,brave you are. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Stumaeza
Yes the bastard must go & jail is waiting for him Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Dandan
@Nestum
lol, kwakwakwakwak tlitlitlitli hihihihihihi
Are these people campaigning of committing suicide Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
ZUMA FOR SECOND TERM!!!
So that the opposition parties can win another province or two in the next elections. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mgaraji
Rabies infested fat Zimpompo Youth League. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
1tsotsi
As mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@maneater
ANC Youth League leaders in Limpopo yesterday declared that they would support any candidate who will stand against President Jacob Zuma in December.
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THAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN
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The idea to support Zuma in Polokwane, was that there were no leaders to who wanted to challenge Mbeki. Cyril refused straight up. So, there was a behind the scene jokeying and ppl felt Zuma can do the job. But it was not spelt out to everyone that immediately after Mbeki is ousted, Zuma should be charged, but hey leaks are every where and Zuma ended outplaying people like Phosa et al. So never under estimate double head.
Things are getting out of hand now,i smell trouble. South Africa is coming to an end period! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MGEEZ
@maneater
THAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN
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Very good point!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@weneedeconomicfreedom
If Zuma was giving a Nelson Mandela memorial lecture, why is he not serving one term? Which Mandela was he was he talking about ? Zuma is 180 degrees out of phase with the former President Nelson Mandela yet he gives Mandela lecture. he banna!!!!!!!
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But he never said he wants two terms. You can google the ANC website, there is no such a thing that he said.I do not like him either for two term, i think one is enough.Otherwise Khulubose is going to diie of obesity. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BRA-MAFUTHA
ANCYL i agree with u that Zuma must go, but the rest hayi khona Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Simosakhe
:was orchestrated by "somebody who is a Zulu" but did not mention the person by name:
Good people we are resorting to very dangerous politics...Ethnicity/Tribalism....will only take us back to where we once were..STOP IT..be it anti Zuma or pro Zuma...lets build this land, free from tribalism!
im not pro zuma but id rather have him than mbalula/beyonce as sg of the ANC, they say Zuma has support from only 3 provinces hahahaha they'r forgeting that KZN has the largest members, followed by EC(divided between Kgalema and Zuma).....so these peddie boys shouldnt count their chickens before they hatch Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mgaraji
Gampopompolaye
Things are getting out of hand now,i smell trouble. South Africa is coming to an end period!
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Coward. Ayabaleka amagwala uSathane uzongenzani Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Lehipi
@ ncangumbuduma! for your information mothanthe is a Pedi ( he grew up in gauteng to migrant labour parents ) but this is not my main reason for commenting!
mshini wa nkandla / msholozi, in his acceptance speech in 2007 he lied to the nation that he wanted only one term... now he realises that he cannot cope without power he uses every platform 2 campaign for a second term! i would be in mangaung in december as a voting delegate and i will support any candidate who challenges zuma, whether she/ he is venda, shangaan, coloured, ndebele, pedi or xhosa... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
ndhandhazi
ANCYL leadership in Limpopo and Free State must be disbanded and its leaders be desciplined by ANC. They attend meetings organised by MALEMA and disrupt ANC gatherings. It is an insult. They have resigned from ANC. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
u know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogs Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@ndhandhazi
ANCYL leadership in Limpopo and Free State must be disbanded and its leaders be desciplined by ANC. They attend meetings organised by MALEMA and disrupt ANC gatherings. It is an insult. They have resigned from ANC
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A good ANC cdr who understand the workings of ANC and its policies would say that. Keep up ndhandhazi. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
guiliano
"We are positive that Comrade Kgalema [Motlanthe] will avail himself," the league's provincial secretary Jacob Lebogo said.
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has he got bolls?
CYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.
I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China). Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Dandan
1tsotsi
As mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now.
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for the very first time I agree with you , you see thats the game we play in the anc, we agree and disagree, as we alwys says "One teach One"
However , you need to commend me for grooming you, today you are getting matured Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@CYBORICO
u know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogs
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Very good point indeed.Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth.. But what do you mean by "working for their own pocket"?
People; irrespective of who the ANC president is, the people on the ground are suffering. Some of you are crying tribalism. Some of u want Zuma out cause he is Zulu. If another leader is elected inn Mangaung, do you guys think that things will change? I douct that. The whole ANC is corrupt. This is not about the president only but the organisation as a whole. People are preferring one leader over another, meanwhile another leader will still carry out the same ideologies.
What Im saying here is that the entire ANC needs to be held liable for this mess. As such, they must be made to pay, and the only way we can do that is by voting them out. the problem is there is no alternative, credible opposition party to vote for. that being said, we can still vote them out- Things will not change when Zuma is ousted. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
CYBORICO
u know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogs
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Most big and large-medium corporates are owned by Whites, that is why the economy is still in their hands. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.
I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China).
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My brother you missed the point, CYBORIC only mentined the whites business stripping their own business not the public purse. We know our politicians and their cabals are stripping the public purse(fiscas) a case in point Limpopo. But cyboric is saying the whitte ppl have no hope at all, that is why they are looking only to support their kin. Not Khulubose Zuma stripping Aurora mine and neglecting his workers to suffer. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Lehipi
@ ndhandha, u must be high on nyaope / durban poison..no one will touch the youth league in limpopo for a simple reason that the spear wants the support of the province cum december! that is the same reason that they have not dealt with the premier of that province ( even though they know that he is one of the biggest backers of the " friends of the youth league " ) the spear of nkandla will be history after mangaung...finish and klaar! at least he can freely spread compete with his king (silo sa mabandla ) by marrying as many women as it tickles his fancy... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
1tsotsi
Dandan
1tsotsi
As mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now.
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for the very first time I agree with you , you see thats the game we play in the anc, we agree and disagree, as we alwys says "One teach One"
However , you need to commend me for grooming you, today you are getting matured
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Kikikikiki, you the next David Kau, comedian.... Very soon you will say 1TSOTSI bra yam' you were right zuma was going down. True that "EACH ONE TEACH ONE" i'm about to teach you real politics, politics 101 THE 48 LAWS OF POWER, BY ROBERT GREENER. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
retard
So lokhandakhulu owu malema ucabanga ukuthi izwe leli liphethwe uye?ngeke alunge la konke loku esingakuqondi okungamavenda nama pedi okugxeka amaZulu akuhambe kuyofa...kusho ukuthi uma ungenzi njengoba kuthanda umubiza umalema uzothi xoshwa.. So ukhandakhulu ufuna abantu abazozwa ngaye akesibone ukuthi uma ephuma uMsholozi ukhona yini oyovuma i land without compensation ewumongameli.... kunezimpi ezingaka koRwanda nako Somali ingoba kuyekwa iziphukuphuku ezifana nokhandakhulu umalema.... uma efaka amaZulu ufaka wonke umuntu owomZulu nabantu abangahlangene yena akasho akushoyo ayeke itribalism coz it will lead to civil war. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Retlaw
Tribal politics is very dangerous for any progressive nation . It is being very short sighted to use this to gain a bigger following be it anti or pro Zuma. The pple suggesting that Zuma is working for the betterment of his zulus should be very much aware that anyone can still construe that their choice of Montlante is also a tribal one. The problem is if we start using tribes as trump cards to fight our battles , the reality is anyone that can be voted into leadership still belongs to a particular tribe.
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Tribal politics has been in existence long before Spear regime Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Decibels
WE AGREE THAT ZUMA MUST GO BUT THIS THING OF CALLING OUT COMRADES BY THEIR TRIBES IS NOT ON AND WILL NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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I think it is their inability to link education with employment. SA has structural unemployment meaning that people are not skilled for jobs available. The economy cannot grow when ppl are not working. SA is the powerhouse of Africa,and it is sold as such. Foreign investments are aplenty unless a polotical crisis surfaces. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.
I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China).
No bro its not about colour here, its about those who cares and who can visualis and dream good things who are I talking about, the white people have shown that and right now they seem to have changed tune, not that I blame them but the situation is getting more helpless by the day. Sa cannot feed itself, the farmers have opted for crops that are lucrative on the export market, and most of these require minimum labour or seasonal labour which in return has little contribution in the economy or unemployemnt fight that we face in SA Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
modjela
Bafana ba ba ANCYL ba na gana gore re di tlaela.You stupid boys, pls give us a chance to apply our mind. we know what is right and wrong as young people of this country. you failed us you blady bastards. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Dandan
@1tsotsi
udakiwe sony Im grooming you, yimi isikhokho, Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Fanle
Two tribalists who want us to listen to their views
CYBORICO
No bro its not about colour here, its about those who cares and who can visualis and dream good things who are I talking about, the white people have shown that and right now they seem to have changed tune, not that I blame them but the situation is getting more helpless by the day. Sa cannot feed itself, the farmers have opted for crops that are lucrative on the export market, and most of these require minimum labour or seasonal labour which in return has little contribution in the economy or unemployemnt fight that we face in SA
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Isnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites.
"Zuma must go"said Limpopo ANCYL and i agree with them Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Fergie
Yes get rid of the pres, I support u 101% Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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Point taken my broer, but who are those foreign investors.Whites, am not talking about the Chineese.We aught to understand that, the very own white ppl we have in SA, are our very own link to foreign investors not excluding the ping pong ANC policies. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Lethabo44
Mangaung or no Mangaung,pro-Zuma or anti Zuma,bakwethu yilwani izimpi zenu nodwa ningabali wonke umZul ngoba uma kuqhubeka kanjena kuzosaphaka uphoko.Into embi kufa abantu abangenacala nisinde nina baqhathi bezwe. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
1tsotsi
Dandan
@1tsotsi
udakiwe sony Im grooming you, yimi isikhokho
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You will be my number one student, i can see that you have the right political attitude. You just need to get rid of you arrogance. Follow my steps, mfana. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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I think it is their inability to link education with employment. SA has structural unemployment meaning that people are not skilled for jobs available. The economy cannot grow when ppl are not working. SA is the powerhouse of Africa,and it is sold as such. Foreign investments are aplenty unless a polotical crisis surfaces.
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@Buc4life I am of the position that 98% of bloggers here including our white bloggers etc, are the product of the then education (Bantu education/join matriculation board era).But hey were checked out nicely and we can even surpass the technological pupils in what we do. It all about the willing learnered and willing learnee.Besides the labour laws that stiffle economic growth in SA, the youth of today are just laygatte. They expose themself to easy victories like getting monies but not working for it. they cannot even sustain themself on piece jobs.That is why they are crying left and rite that foreigners(sic) are taking their jos.
Instead of being objectionably obtuse, what about the simple practise of garnering enough votes to oust President Zuma, or do we want to have the conference to degenerate to it being declared uncostitutional? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BabyNono87
Vavi warned the ANC that if they don't pull themselves together, they will lose electoral support to DA. As for Zuma, i fully support the Limpopo ANCYL when they say, he must go, for the mere fact that he is morally bankrupt and he is the cause of all our problems in this country.............. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
JIGSAWPUZZEL
If ANC fails and this country plunges into a non-governable state then i will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that there is something wrong with a black person....we are the hope of Africa and if the ANC fails South Africans,it will not only be SAn's they fail but the rest of Africa.
Back to the topic................ZUMA MUST GO!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
Is waar bafowethu, "peanut head" Zuma must GO. Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident - "Besides the labour laws that stiffle economic growth in SA, the youth of today are just laygatte."
Its Generation-Y.
Why cant i borrow your car?
Why do I have to move out of the house?
Why do i have to study? :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Naivegirl
South African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Secretary
He claimed that Zuma only had the support of three provinces - Mpumalanga, KwaZulu-Natal and Free State - and that the other provinces had not declared out of fear.
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No cadre, Free State is not interested in Zuma. Only Ace is desperate for auto-showerman and Ace is not the Province.Even Mpumalanga and KZN is divided. KZN people are too wiser than Zuma,they can read when zuma wants to use tribe for votes and some of them will smack him in mangaung. It is wrong to think or say all Zulus are zuma's supporters. I am a zulu man who do not need help to think correctly.
If only the president of the ANC was chosen by the people of the republic and not only by the ANC branches, we wouldn't be in this mess... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Queenlatifa
Provincial treasurer Kabila Malatji added: "We are saying Zuma must go."
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Zuma must definately leave the president office. but we must be careful who we support to take his place. lets learn from the mistake that we did fellow comrades.
Naivegirl - Yeah, animal farm. Very apt. That and 1984.
Another good book is "Atlas shrugged". Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Epistemologist
Tribal politics will continue to play a major role in our country as long as we geographically keep and sustain the provincial borders. We remain internal refugees. ANC seems to have no clue of where it is going. It is a party full of descenting voices. The comrades are so self centred. Get rid of provinces and we will not see tribalism. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
LeparaThePresident
@Naivegirl
South African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance?
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All those who read the book wrote JBM matric. I like that squeaky p!g which was always againg old John Major. remember it? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bucs4life
Isnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites
I dont agree with u here, SA has much of the agric land used for livestock farming and we still export meet from Botswana and the like, because we can get it cheap, the our own gron meat because of its good quality is sold on the export market to derive maximum returns.
Whats remaining of the crop farming land is slowly turned into crops that need little or no attention at all, i.e your macadenia farms, oones planted they take more than 10 yrs to mature(providing little employement in that time and becaming a wasted land interms of what it could have produced it it were for normal crops.
The economy is indeed still in the white mans hands, but I am not a fan of we have to take it by force, we need them and currently we are making sure that they feel unneeded, hence they are trying to maximise their returns in case they do have to leave this shores after we turn the country into a 24/7 circus Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Dandan
@Secretary
Unfortunately Zuma has never played a tribal card, under no circumstances, it is Ludere and Malema who keeps on playing tribalism. In Limp the people who were celebrateing Malemas expulsion were nt Zulus, Magaqa is a Zulu but nt support Zuma in NWest Supra is a Tswana not in Malemas camp yet Modise is supporting Malema.
All what I see with Malema as I predicted that he will be fired from the anc indeed was fired, now Im predicting again I see Sifiso Nkabinde debacle again, watch the space. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
xhosagirl
Sowetan today is about ANC and its Youth, GOSH Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
LeparaThePresident
@Naivegirl
South African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance?
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All those who read the book wrote JBM matric. I like that squeaky p!g which was always againg old John Major. remember it?
yah animal farm indeed headed by the boar called "lack of infomation" Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - *sniff*, you are saying what Ive been trying to say here for awhile.
White folks are being alienated by the ANC. They are villifying us. We (I cant speak for everyone but...) WANT to make the country work. But its difficult to do so, if everyone considered you an enemy. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
sabza007
There is no Holy cow in the ANC. All those who were part of the struggle want to enrich themselves first before the majority of SA population. We want the next leader to be an Economist,yet his/her eyes must look down on Earth like a hawk. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
zoned3
You dont need to come up with any policy, nothing to say how you will move the country forward, no plan of action @ all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just don't be Zuma and you have our vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS ARE THE PEOPLE YOU CALL LEADERS OF THE YOUTH??????????????
I think being patriotic has to stop because they now dont have a vision of where they want us as a nation to go, they are merely playing music chairs.
Power to Limpopo: I also support any leader but Zuma!! Most people are blinded by the Zulus who are fighting to keep the zulu kingdom alive not to serve the nation!! I dig the boldness of Limpopo people!!
I understand your view point but what I have come to realise mostly it people who do not any struggle credentials who will from time to time bring the ethnicity in the debate.
If anyone can explain to me how and when do you realise someone's ethnicity is it the way s/he talk, a name or surname s/he bares,language s/he speaks or the province s/he hails from?.
BiPolar - Dont you recall the DA and their 'brave stance' against Zuma running for president?
I do believe the ANC twisted it into the "Fight black" campaign. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
I feel u men, SA is for south africans and all those legally in it. The uneducated can claim its for black people and the like but for the gorven ment to act like that is just not ayoba, this era is supposed to be for SA to economically strenghten so that by the time the Euro crisis r over our GDP is less dependent or even better independent of deals we do with them.
The SA people like acting like animals, even the educated, look at how we protest for wage increases, first it was Thabo now Zuma, if firing is the right solution the why dont bwe start by cleaning up the gorvenment employees as my logic dictates that u solve problems from the root, JZ is the leaves he fals with the roots if the tree gets uprooted.
we r supposed to be growing SA's capacity to export processed products, beef up our vtextile industry which has been declining since we had deals with the far east, but know we buzy fighting amongst each other all in the name of tribes, Pw Botha must be having a good one where ever he was rested. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
ZONED3 - you are exactly correct.
Nothing says "this is only political games" than when a group of people will vote for anyone except the person they are told to hate.
That is not a plan. that is not going to help anyone. Just power games. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
CYBORICO
@Bucs4life
Isnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites
I dont agree with u here, SA has much of the agric land used for livestock farming and we still export meet from Botswana and the like, because we can get it cheap, the our own gron meat because of its good quality is sold on the export market to derive maximum returns.
Whats remaining of the crop farming land is slowly turned into crops that need little or no attention at all, i.e your macadenia farms, oones planted they take more than 10 yrs to mature(providing little employement in that time and becaming a wasted land interms of what it could have produced it it were for normal crops.
The economy is indeed still in the white mans hands, but I am not a fan of we have to take it by force, we need them and currently we are making sure that they feel unneeded, hence they are trying to maximise their returns in case they do have to leave this shores after we turn the country into a 24/7 circus
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Hi there. Generally, we import because it makes business sense to do so. Our own products are expensive. We import FROM, and export TO. Maybe, u wanted to say we import meat from Botswana. Well, Botswana`s currency is better than ours. Yes, we export to derive much needed foreign currency. we have to sell our products the same way the business has to sell its products. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Nkasegobotsesephirise
ANCYL are out of thier mind.I was at Zimbabwe lately,guys the country I doubt they will not ressurect if SA can go dat way by putting convidence in this boys,U will regret big time.Batho ba ke bana,bana,bana.Bo Kabila(Malatjie)Ludere,Lebogo stomach is ruling them.mark my words,I work with them. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@bucs4life
I think it is their inability to link education with employment.
I once told this to a respectable univerity professor who was a head of his department, that the education in the school was below par, It was designed to make SA profesionals serve the interest of the coutries that get their raw materials from SA but not to empower afrcans so they can be able to provide solutions for their own delemas. U bet he must have thought excuses excuses, nogal a black man. look at where we are today, still exporting minerals, French companies get to scout our shores for underwater oil, where are the SA engineers? many will be hired to do admin jobs at the site while the real engineers will do the business. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mashesha99
Couldn't have said any better Jones, what this country needs is more rational people who can think constructively. Soon we will have people claiming that the ANC is a family business and this I am sure off!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
The ANC has gone to the do'gs indeed. It is so shocking that tribalism is gradually but surely reaching entrenching itself in the once mighty organisation. The so-called democratically leaders of the ANCYL in Limpopo, who should be leading by example, have the audacity to try and sideline other ANC leaders on the basis of their ethnicity. I wonder if they don't see any dangerous with such reckless and dangerous rhetoric. On the other hand, they are taking their cue from the likes of Mbalula and Sexwale who have recently accused Zuma of tribalism. All in a desperate attempt to sideline ANC-KZN members and leadership. This is indeed a disgrace to have the-so-called senior ANC leaders suffering from short-sightedness. I wonder if they realise that by entrenching and promoting tribalism in the organisation leading to Mangaung, the same monster will not dissappear beyond the elective conference.
The wor'se is still to come, take my word. Now I'm more than convinced that Polokwane will be nothing compared to Mangaung. I am expecting gigalitres of blo'od during that elective conference.
The once mighty ANC will never be the same. DA is patiently waiting to govern in 15 to 20 years time after 2014. Usually it takes decadeds after uncontrollable levels of corruption and total disregard for democratic institution for parties as dominant as the ANC to be dislodged from power. But guess what, with the movement of Dube, Moroka, Luthuli, OR, et. al. it will only take 2 to 3 decades to achieve the same feet. Thanks to a combination of ill-disciplined youth league, weak and indecisive ANC leadership, and leaders who are selfish and hellbent on acquiring power at all costs. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Anti-rhetoric
Zuma is not going and no amount of hogwash from this factory faults with make us change our minds. Sa Muvenda mubikwa na ive, I so no to tribal politics. They preached the same language before 2007 claiming the Xhosas took over the ANC and that is what they are doing today with Zulus.
We know how they operate, their politics is fear based politics and whoever calls for the leadership change will benefit from the incoming President as he will be indebted to them. Zuma told them I do not owe you and they wanted him removed, and Cassel Mathale allowed them and they looted State coffers for themselves and their families.
What is qualification for tender in Limpopo, you must be in the inner circle of Julius. He is the head of deployment and Ludere is deployed as chief whip in Makhado Municipality and he owes it to his master to fight to the bitter end. The hand that gives rules and rules forever. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
nkosia
Mxm ANCYL in Limpopo should be disbanded.We know that they cry foul cause most provincial departments have been taken over by the national office so they can't open the tender boxes and screw our monies like they did before.They can go to hell for all I care. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WarrenG
ANCYL must go! Useless movement achieving nothing, run by fools and trouble causers.
Only good for sh!t
Time for mother body to cut ties with these overgrown 'teens' ie. 'youths'
Now fokof Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bucs4life
Hi there. Generally, we import because it makes business sense to do so. Our own products are expensive. We import FROM, and export TO. Maybe, u wanted to say we import meat from Botswana. Well, Botswana`s currency is better than ours. Yes, we export to derive much needed foreign currency. we have to sell our products the same way the business has to sell its products
Yes import from botswana, my bad. As for what u say i strictly dont agree, first u need to feed your people before u export, why import something that can be locally produced. well the returns are good on the export market but for who, those who export(white farmes mostly) only and for the gorvenment with taxes. The real deal here is not profit but to create a SA that sustains itself, to achive that profits should be the last thing to consider, one can just manage the cost while doing so. Free rdpS, the grants, the high unemployemnt rate, the corruption, giving land back to lazy so called right full owners, all this will cause SA to fall short as we cannot sustain it for long WITH TAXES FROM THE WORKING CLASS. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
CYBORICO
@bucs4life
I think it is their inability to link education with employment.
I once told this to a respectable univerity professor who was a head of his department, that the education in the school was below par, It was designed to make SA profesionals serve the interest of the coutries that get their raw materials from SA but not to empower afrcans so they can be able to provide solutions for their own delemas. U bet he must have thought excuses excuses, nogal a black man. look at where we are today, still exporting minerals, French companies get to scout our shores for underwater oil, where are the SA engineers? many will be hired to do admin jobs at the site while the real engineers will do the business
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Yes, and our unemployment rate will always be high unless there is a link between education and emplyment.U know, it costs a lot of money to import scarce skills. Doctors, engineers, architects are in great demand in our country. We have a shortage because our children fear Maths & Science. Then our government introduced Maths Literacy. This is not the same as Maths.
So, u tell me, can our government solve this. I mean they are busy fighting for positions instead of attending to real issues. If Malema was the president, do u think that he would be able to resolve this? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - Dont you recall the DA and their 'brave stance' against Zuma running for president?
I do believe the ANC twisted it into the "Fight black" campaign.
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I don't buy into anything DA - I am deaf to that word!! I also do not mistake an Enemy for a friend!!
@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
NTOMBIYOMXHOSA77
IM ALSO SINGING THE SAME SONG WT U LIMPOMPO YOUTH, ZUMA MUST GO NW, HE IS COSTING US TOO MUCH Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
ModiseP
Individual must go is an Youth League slogan.Yes an induvidual must go but there is procedure to be followed. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bipolar
@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!!
read to understand bro not to get through the text as fast as possible. I will forever hate that skeleton, so please. What i mean is that as someone who hated us he must b hapy to see us shoot ourselves on the foot Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Can someone explain how tribalism is different from racism? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@CYBORICO
@Bipolar
@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!!
read to understand bro not to get through the text as fast as possible. I will forever hate that skeleton, so please. What i mean is that as someone who hated us he must b hapy to see us shoot ourselves on the foot
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On this note - i have re-read your comment: We are singing the same tune!! I almost mistook you for an enemy --- apologies! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Mamlambo
Can someone explain how tribalism is different from racism?
same stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism Report Abuse
Bipolar
Pik botha was never president of this country, and is actually an ANC member. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - You are your own worst enemy dude. Already spotting your anti-white personfication of racism. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Secretary
@Dandan
Zuma is not compromising when coming to tribalism. He was once interviewed which team he supports and he said Amazulu. The commentator asked him why and he openly said because they are from my tribe. PLEASE TRY AGAIN. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Cyborico
same stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism
Then i hope we all in this country can recognise this and in each of our own minds be vigilant against letting it take over our politics. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Makhosini0408
The danger of tribalism. I have spoken at length about this, no one seems to listen and now its no longer 100% Zulu or Xhosa, its 100% Pedi? sham. Its good that the ANC is reaping its own fruits. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Nzunzu
Mamlambo
Cyborico
same stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism
Then i hope we all in this country can recognise this and in each of our own minds be vigilant against letting it take over our politics.
true indeed, we made the mistake in Polokwane 4 yrs back and we cant repeat the same thing again come Desember Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
LoL they will also be expelled just like Malema, zuma doesn't take kindly to dissent/opposition, yinduna mos! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
Morning Makhosini
just want 2 let u know tha I think your comments bring value to this otherwise "gabage tin blog". Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Anti-rhetoric
These guys were original but they are trying hard to imitate their boss. This is what we call misguided militancy and radicalism, there is only one stupid Julus inSA. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Ayobas
Zuma will stay and serve a second term, sometime ago, i gave Malema advice of opening his own political party named "JUJU NATIONALIZATION PARTY" JNP. this he was talking about so called helping the poor, he forgot that he wanted to build a 16 million rand house. blikseem. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
NTOMBIYOMXHOSA77
@ AYOBAS
thn its the end of ANC, if ZUMA knows wat gud 4 ANC, he must step down Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@ WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - You are your own worst enemy dude. Already spotting your anti-white personfication of racism.
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We have had an Online-Stage-Fight me and you recently -- yes, call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!!"
@Ayobas
a little research would do before we write. we all condemn people and call them names but in all honesty they are far more better than us. where is your proof of malema's R16m house. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "where is your proof of malema's R16m house."
@Anti-rhetoric can you please lecture me on why Julius is stupid, for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@KIII
@Ayobas
a little research would do before we write. we all condemn people and call them names but in all honesty they are far more better than us. where is your proof of malema's R16m house.
proving this is irrelevant to the whole issue, what we already know is he is interested in his own pockets and a bit of fame, the rest can be speculation or fact it dont matter we have analised him and reach a conclusive desicion about him. Tjatjarag!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica which public, the propaganda of the media that hates malema which has not been proven. how many state security organs have investigated this claim and came out with nothing so far when it comes to those we do not like, we forget innocent till proven guilty by court of competent jurisdiction hence I say show the proof. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over."
LOL, really? His crooked tenders are also public knowledge dude. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@kiii
@Anti-rhetoric can you please lecture me on why Julius is stupid, for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over.
Hayi bo wena man, seems they only taught u to use the PC, stop exposing youself Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - Is that your only retort to his R16 million house? "Propaganda of the media"?
How do we know you are talking cr@p? Because if the media was printing nonsense, they would have been taken to the courts. Especially by Julius who is very anti-media, even though he loves standing in front of the cameras and the microphones of said media.
"how many state security organs have investigated this claim and came out with nothing so far"
They havent come out with nothing. The investigation is still ongoing. SARS announced that he owes millions on his undeclared income. The PP has been silent, and so have the Hawks. They are merely making their case. Watch this space./ Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Lehido
Someone onces said "If you harness 4 donkies and took a trip ne, the sun set before you reach your destination, you decide to take a rest and hoping to continue with your trip the following day......In the middle of the night, you hear lions roar....You quickly jump up and try to harness the donkies back and run away--------------------When the sun finally rise you realise that you harnessed one lion by mistake (because it was dark).....
WOULD YOU UNTIE THE LION NOW??......(Now that it's broad daylight).....
The moral of the story is - "THE ANC, ANCYL AND IT'S ALLIENCE PARTNERS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING ZUMA TOO MUCH POWER AND PUT HIM WHERE HE IS NOW (In the dark)....NOW THAT HE BITE THEIR A.RSES, THEY WANT TO REMOVE HIM BUT THEY DONT KNOW HOW (it's day light now).... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@CYBORICO proving this is irrelevant to the whole issue, what we already know is he is interested in his own pockets and a bit of fame, the rest can be speculation or fact it dont matter we have analised him and reach a conclusive desicion about him. Tjatjarag!!!
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your analysis is not guided by objectivity if you do not care about proven facts, that goes to say that he is being targeted by the media and haters of his guts,unfortunately, gullible south Africans bought into it hence I ask a simple question to be lectured on what he has done that makes him so unwanted by the minorities. every allegation becomes a fact. I remember the day he embarrassed the editor that claimed he had a secret trust on a national radio metro FM. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makhosini fact of the matter is that.
Nelson Mandela who was a Xhosa, spoke in every one of his public appearances as a national leader.
Thabo Mbeki who also was a Xhosa, spoke first as an Africa.
Zuma who is a Zulu, spoke as a Zulu FIRST and is even brandishing his culture above that of the country, so you can not in all earnest try to pretend that any of the prev leaders promoted tribalism, I heard accusation that TM was a tribalist but those are wishful thinking from hsi accusers cause that man is an African inside out, most of his time in office was used trying to unite and put Africa on the global platform, Thabo Mbeki is too much well versed politically to advocate for tribalism.
Zuma is the one who has tribalised anc, you guys need to deal with this fact honestly, and what you see in Limpopo was harnessed by the tribalist leader anc has, so why blame the ppl if the leaders set these standards, if we as a country are against tribalism/racism we need to recall the president who doesn't represent our values. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - Julius HAS a secret trust dude. Ask SARS. Public knowledge.
CYBORICO
Morning Makhosini
just want 2 let u know tha I think your comments bring value to this otherwise "gabage tin blog".
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Morning CYBORICO
Thanxs for the compliment and I also share the same view about you and other bloggers.
"gabage tin blog". lol
Its a pity that some of us are abusing this platform, but I guess, bloggers are exercising their freedom of speech? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Flemza
I just ask myself is this the same guy not long ago he was saying he is for ANC and he can not go on living without ANC , but now he is anti ANC I knew it from the begining that this guy is there for selfish reasons he has never been there for ANC and the masses , if it was so , why now he is so anti ANC why cant` Malema just join Cope or DA and just leave ANC alone Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Flemza - I think hellen will laugh at him if he asks to join the DA :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Kiii
u realy like this guy neh well let me revive the information on your head as u seem to have a short fuse,
Publickly insulting white south africans, inclusing the president of the opposition
publickly calling the president a dictator
mobilising the outsing of former President Mbeki
Publicky denying involvent in tenders associated with his company claiming to have resigned while he was an active director of such.
the list is endless, just helping u to get going, u can complete the list by yourself now Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
as far as I know, he is too busy building a country we shall be proud to call our own than to be distracted by taking uninformed and very biased media to court. at a time your media informed that it was a matter of days before he gets arrested for the followings, secret trust, tender irregularities, undeclared income etc etc, it has taken almost a year and non of the arrests has taken place. I bet if any of you that claim to be holier than thou is put under half of the investigation he has gone through, you will relocate australia or england. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - Julius HAS a secret trust dude. Ask SARS. Public knowledge.
WakeTHEF***UP.
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Its public knowledge that almost ALL anc leaders and their associates are tainted (corrupt) they can help themselves its an addiction for them, if SARS were to investigate all these ppl, they will have no time left to collect tax from the rest of tax payers, therefore we must vote anc out and usher in a new order if we are to save this country.
Even now instead of addressing our social issues they are snouting each other out of the trough, I heard that plans are afoot to snout Modise out, apparently there was a 'secret' meeting to facilitate that, and here the anc wld have us believe they have a robust debate within their structures, anc is SA's shame. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - It took the authorities even longer to nail Selebi dude. Julius is going down, watch this space. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
"JIGSAWPUZZEL
If ANC fails and this country plunges into a non-governable state then i will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that there is something wrong with a black person....we are the hope of Africa and if the ANC fails South Africans,it will not only be SAn's they fail but the rest of Africa.
Back to the topic................ZUMA MUST GO!!!!! "
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I mostly agree with you, but in no way whatsoever should such a thing happening mean there is something wrong with 'a black person'. How can we cast a spotlight on the vast majority by using the reflection from a few broken mirrors (greedy and corrupted politicians)?
Remember that it took European civilisation over 1500 years to reach the levels of today, with much bloodshed and even a period called 'The Dark Ages' from 6th-13th century - 700years of intellectual, technological, cultural and economic decline. So regardless of all the bad press Africa gets, what the people on this continent have achieved in less than 100 years is remarkable and something to be proud of.
For sure there are many, many problems on the continent, but speaking from personal experience, there is a lot of good happening. African people are breaking free from the shackles of the past, realising that education is the key and embracing technology faster than anywhere else on the planet. Lagos is one of the most dynamic cities, it is so fast paced it puts London and New York to shame. There people just work, work, work and never stop, on EVERY economic level! They have developed such a passion for commerce, their banks are some of the highest performing on the global markets and business in general shows higher returns and growth rates than almost anywhere.
So we shouldn't be so arrogant by thinking that the rest of Africa cares about us or looks up to us with hope, as though we are some saviour. While we squabble and wallow in the past or sit under a tree waiting for handouts, the vast majority of the continent is quietly going about its business and getting stronger by the day - while we keep sliding backwards into our own 'Dark Age'. Don't forget that other Africans have also been oppressed and are still being oppressed and exploited. But just because oppression here was caused by the white minority, it doesn't make it any worse than say what the Congolese experienced under Mobutu Sese Seko for example.
It is time to put our past differences behind us and for all to individually work as hard as possible to achieve success. There are no miracle remedies for poverty as is continuously and falsely spouted by the anc and co. - only hard work! So embrace your 'blackness', don't allow yourself to be a victim, be pro-active and use the full force of technology at our disposal. Only you can make that difference! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA anc is going to give you guys (those of you who are threatened by Malema) Malema as a corrupt sacrificial lamb, cause they know SAns generally are small minded and amused by small things,
how can it be a victory for Malema go to down when there are so many in the anc to whom corruption is a lifestyle?
Who gave Malema access to public funds since he was never an MP? non either than zuma as a reward for gatecrashing him into presidency, now you please must wake up and smell the coffee and start celebrating big events ie capture and conviction of ALL anc corrupt big fishes. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Flemza
Limpopo ANCYL you listen to me in your dreams , Zuma is not going anywhere , Limpopo ANCYL keep on dreaming you are in for big suprised , ask Tambo Mbeki he will tell you every thing , aTsunami is coming on your way in Mangaung , just tell your Malema to join COPE or DA if he is so anti democratic masses of Azania (ANC) Malema is having free membership and paliamentry sit waiting for him at DA and COPE the choice is his , Malema must leave ANC alone Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@CYBORICO the question is what makes him an idiolt? reading from you response, you seem to suggest that making public statement as politician makes one stupid. From all I know, zuma had the same issues of not declaring interest to sars on time, mbeki publicly told us that selabi was innocent,zile called south Africans refugees in wc, mandela removed farming subsidy, etc,etc does it make them stupid? zuma has over and over again shown directorial tendencies and malema pointed it out for your sake. malema has his right to chose a leader to support and that is called democracy .as for insulting whites I do not know what you mean till you tell me how he insulted whites. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - I celebrate the conviction of all corrupt government officials. Unfortunately they protect each other very well. Malema is merely the tip of the iceberg. The only reason why I specifically name him with corruption, is because its relevant to the article. Yesterday I was commenting about Winnie (corruption) and the MP who 'resigned' for corruption.
The big fish is Zuma in this case, but we all know he will NEVER be prosecuted. Even if found guilty, the ANC/government will let it slide, because he is the president. The worst that will happen to him is a recall, or no 2nd term. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
NTOMBIYOMXHOSA77
@FLEMZA
ARE U SURE HE IS NT GOIN ANYWHERE? THN THTS THE END OF ANC, IF ZUMA GET A SECOND TERM KA DECEMBER. KUPHELILE NGE ANC. ONLY THOSE PPL FRM KZN WHO WL VOTE 4 HIM BCZ HE IS ZULU Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
as far as I know, he is too busy building a country we shall be proud to call our own than to be distracted by taking uninformed and very biased media to court. at a time your media informed that it was a matter of days before he gets arrested for the followings, secret trust, tender irregularities, undeclared income etc etc, it has taken almost a year and non of the arrests has taken place. I bet if any of you that claim to be holier than thou is put under half of the investigation he has gone through, you will relocate australia or england.
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Assuming that Malema were to be president, how in ure view should he tackle inequalities, unemployment, economic growth and crime?
I would really love to know because Malema brings up issues, but no solutions. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - The bonus on Zuma/Malema, is that the general ANC voters are shown up for the sheep they are. That loud and charistmatic politicians are only using the general voter for their own benefit.
They say things that tug on the heart strings of the average South African, and next thing everyone believes they are Gods gift to South Africa.
Meanwhile, the dudes are incompetent corrupt scumb@gs.
The more this type of hypocracy is shown up, the wiser the local voter gets. Im thankful for playing my part in exposing them. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "tell me how he insulted whites."
Dude, for real?
Ok fine, calling all whites thieves, murderers and imperialists. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Kiii
you request was to be enlightened as to why Juju nis considered stupid, we r not talking politicians bu Juju, anyway if mandela made mistakes does that mean we should forgive all those who become politician and make the same mistakes? hence u want us to replace Zuma with Juju,
Its helpless arguing with someone who values their feelings more than logic so that was my last beat to u. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!!"
Difference is, you ARE racist.
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The devil wears prada indeed and is white like you: Me and You recently had an episode when you were advocating that Zille is right to call blacks refugees in WC and children from Grabouw schooling in WC educational refugees --- you have a volatile mind!! When it suits you and your DA Agenda - it is all fine to be racist - when it does not suit you - you are quick to point fingers!! I am very allergic to you (their bloody agent), the DA and your propaganda!! Let's Accept that we will never agree on any issue!! We are both strong-headed!! and i am not a walk over!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit
somaartakeit - I celebrate the conviction of all corrupt government officials. Unfortunately they protect each other very well. Malema is merely the tip of the iceberg. The only reason why I specifically name him with corruption, is because its relevant to the article. Yesterday I was commenting about Winnie (corruption) and the MP who 'resigned' for corruption.
The big fish is Zuma in this case, but we all know he will NEVER be prosecuted. Even if found guilty, the ANC/government will let it slide, because he is the president. The worst that will happen to him is a recall, or no 2nd term.
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I have been following ur comments. I really applaud ur analysis. Makes sense, and is consistent. Same with Somaar. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica....selabi enjoyed the protection of the then president hence the time it took, now, whos protection is julius under. uit is a smere campaigh by the media and his haters and by now you all should be ashamed and short up
@somaartakeit... irrespective of being in opposition with you on issues, I must admit you are very intelligent but it bits me if you do not know that secret trust is a crime and you are rendering sars culpable. I want them, to arrest malema if he has committed any crime. let me tell all of you haters of PRESIDENT MALEMA ,that all those propaganda were a trap set for him by his enemies in ANC and media. the overall intention was to get him out of the way by any means, now that they have succeeded in using the kangaroo disciplinary committee, all those trumped up charges are dead, if they did not succeed, they would have pursued them as to frame him up. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@Buc4life
we need to read you own analysis Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Dont worry, still love you somaar ;) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
So news become propaganda when its about Juju and is true and correct if its about Thabo or Manuels? just asking Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Buc4life IF Malema were to become president (God forbid) then it wld be no different as with showerhead, only diffs then is that resources zuma corrupt anc enjoys today wld have been depleted to the point majority will join other failed states in receiving handouts from the UNAID, current leaders have no clue how to manage finances (personal) let alone those of a country, secondly as you can see our educ is deteriorating this means there is not going to be enough ppl to oil our economic wheel, that's why I often say, the anc doesn't understand investment they just grab the goose and eat it and its golden eggs,
the anc ppl as they mercilessly raid public purse they are not ensuring investment, some of SAs ambassadors abroad are not doing much either to sell SA to potential investors, cause they are clueless adn also can not give assurances to potential investors iro out of control corruption cause they themselves are corrupt trying to extort bribes from wld be investors. IF nothing changes in the next couple of years SA will be f@cked in the true sense of hte word, cause already the few/shrinking tax base has to carry the burden of not only these corrupt lards but majority whose lives have not been changed since anc took over power. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - And I still stand by that comment. Your problem is, you are trying to tie the meaning of it, to some of rather 'racist' term or colonial africanism.
People immigrating to other provinces, for either education or employment, are indeed refugees. Provincial refugees to be exact. Nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is, its placing burden on an already strained province with regards to housing, employment etc. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@CYBORICO
So news become propaganda when its about Juju and is true and correct if its about Thabo or Manuels? just asking
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If you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@BiPolar
well said, do not forget you are dealing with the nephews of Verwood as such we do not expect much from them but to assist them get liberated from the clutches of racism and bitterness. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - And I still stand by that comment. Your problem is, you are trying to tie the meaning of it, to some of rather 'racist' term or colonial africanism.
People immigrating to other provinces, for either education or employment, are indeed refugees. Provincial refugees to be exact. Nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is, its placing burden on an already strained province with regards to housing, employment etc.
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Wakey, you have lost touch with reality. The thing is the person who is uttering such kind of words is in a position of power -- and the gravity of the words can cause permanent damage. How can you call me a refugee in my own country ---- I have just turned dark like motor-oil with anger at your classic statement 'provincial refugees'!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA I dig you too, but you must understand if I appear to be in opposition to your views, is not because I don't like you, but we must be objective and even be able to look at stuff from perspective of our opponents,
Don't get me wrong on the Malema issue, I want him to be sorted out if he was corrupt, but I also want those who enabled them to be corrupt dealt with, cause it is to them that public trusted them with reigns of the country, ie Mothale, Zuma who appointed Mothale, I want the whole lot of this corrupt clot to be arrested so I will not settle for just arrest of Malema cause in my opinion Malema is a small fish in the big scheme of corruption, also Malema was a made a fall guy iro expulsions for so called ill-discipline cause these anc corrupt leaders are treating us like gold fishes who has memory lapses, they think we have forgotten that they Malema was a Zuma baby project, so why is he the only one going down for ill-discipline, and why must we be amused by this? I want the whole hog to go down. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica.........hahahahahahahahahahahahahha when Jimmy manyi made even a better comment about colored people in cape town, it was all over and he was tagged a resist of verwood class,now you are doing all you could to defend the indefensible. if you are objective, you would call zile what she really is ...a little bitter racist. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life you are very good too kiddo, I am always filled with pride and joy when I see young black women like you not taking a back seat, you gimme hope wena:-) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Makhosini0408
somaartakeit
@Makhosini fact of the matter is that.
Nelson Mandela who was a Xhosa, spoke in every one of his public appearances as a national leader.
Thabo Mbeki who also was a Xhosa, spoke first as an Africa.
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I am glad that you said that we must approach this debate with honesty. I have been a critics of us, bl@ck people in terms of our tribalistic tendencies, which are to our demise. I beg to differ, remember that the Xhosa nostra, started during the reign of Mbeki. I am against this current practice of 100% Zulu boy, because it is counter revolutionary.
I am going to tell you my own experience during my days in the SANDF. People started complaining then about an unfair advantage that Xhosas were given in terms of promotions, integrations and at times, it seemed they were the oly ones that were oppressed. The majority of government officials were Xhosas in Pretoria and some with the same attitude as some Zulus today yokuthi siphethe manje. The division of the ANC along tribal lines should be placed at the door of Mbeki and Zuma. They had the powers to stop this stupid practice and turned a blind eye, hence the staus quo.
So what do you call all those disaffected Congolese people stuck in Eastern Congo, trying to escape for their lives into Rwanda? They are in their own country, are they not? Report Abuse
@BiPolar I agree usage of the word 'refugee' was really wrong on the part of Ms Zille cause a refugees is someone running away from persecution (politically) from their country of birth, I think correct word for the students was that they are migrants in their case migrating to CP in order to finally realise this 'better life' which was promised by the leaders and all those promises turned out to be a load of bollocks. But that should teach SAns to not trust politicians, we must measure their output iro election promises, if failed then they must voted out. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@16-12-1838
BiPolar -
So what do you call all those disaffected Congolese people stuck in Eastern Congo, trying to escape for their lives into Rwanda? They are in their own country, are they not?
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How can you bring Congo people into mix when we are busy addressing our own country issues -- I sure don't give a damn about what is happening in Congo until it affects me. Being called a refugee in my country affects me to the core -- more especially when africa is a continent for dark-skinned folks and the person calling bl@cks refugees is caucasian - how does one interpret this kind of behaviour? Two-headed-sn@ke Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bipolar
If you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!!
man like u read my mind I was reading sommar's comment and somehow i agreed with its content, and then it hit me that he might b actualy campaining for someone, he never applies his brain,except when he moves for the k.ill. the DA is capable of assigning people to do just dat rubbish everything by the anc then take advantage of the confusion by painting the DA gold. Wakey has not yet showed me that side, hence i take his comments as honest for now Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "If you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!!"
And if you read most of the Malema fandudes comments, its "apparent" that they are campaigning for the Julius :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
kiii
@Buc4life
we need to read you own analysis
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U obviously have not read any of my comments. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "How can you call me a refugee in my own country"
Did you not read what I said? I especially focussed on the part 'provincial refugee'.
Not stop being a racist, ignorant dude and use that thing called logic. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
BiPolar
Your question to someone was: How can you call me a refugee in my own country ----
I am just trying to determine what you would call such a person? That's all, no need to feel inferior about it and get all defensive.
I'm with you, once again ;) somaartakeit. The correct words Zille should have used were desperate educational migrants. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "when Jimmy manyi made even a better comment about colored people in cape town, it was all over and he was tagged a resist of verwood class,now you are doing all you could to defend the indefensible. if you are objective, you would call zile what she really is ...a little bitter racist."
Errr... why should I take ANYTHING you say seriously? As you have an apparent lack of 'the obvious'. Big difference between what I say and what Manyi said.
Urg, when someone with a clear lack of grasp calls me a 'racist', then I know you are merely grasping at straws. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makhosini I will not dispute your personal experience, but to me, Mbeki projected himself as a person who aspired to unite and fight for Africa to achieve peace and stability for her ppl, hence his African Renaissance project, but if the ppl (in your case) Xhosas were behaving like morons claiming that 'siphethe' then you should blame those ppl not TM cause TM wld have never supported nor encouraged such foolishness.
That man carries same views as that of guys like Nkwame Krumah he believes in a united Africa, he also believed in emancipation of women (economically/politically and otherwise) hence in his cabinet we started seeing more women ministers. I think he wanted so much for women to prosper he forgot to do checks and balances on the deliverance of services hence the Aids/HIV debacle and M@nto.
As a leader I didn't see him pushing his culture and I can't blame him for the morons who abuse the situation to promote tribalism, but I can assure you that is not something he wld have embraced or encouraged, I am not his fan but I respect the guy cause I believe he did his best for not only SA but Africa.
That being said, he is not perfect.
And btw under TM was it not Modise who was chief in the army? what did he do against such tribalists? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Bipolar... this refugee thing si stupid. it is just a difference of interpretation, just like the magula thing was stupid.
malema was not saying magula to be insulting or racist, he just understood the word in a different context to what most people understand.
Same with Zille. In english, this word refugee does not have a negative element like so many people seem to believe. It is not an insult, it is only a description.
The people who wanted to hate malema and ancyl all jumped on the wagon, same as people who want to hate zille and da jumping on bandwagon. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Kii
zuma has over and over again shown directorial tendencies and malema pointed it out for your sake
holy molly i missed this beat, look here buddy i am a very capable person who can take good desisions for my self, even when I do something wrong, I dont shy away and find excuses of making it right, i acknowledge my flops but still do those I cannot avoid. I dont need tjatjarag to point out issues for me, i can actually point out issues and provide solutions by myself, capital is my only shortfall u hear me? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Biopolar there is no political conflict in SA, but there are economic discrepancies so ppl moving away from this situation are not refugees, I mean really you must get this, why do you have to be educated about usage of English by ppl whose first language is not English? the problem with you guys is that you will defend the indefensible,
granted maybe Helen didn't mean to offend but as soon as someone raises the issue with one she said the most human thing to do is to apologise and rephrase then problem is solved, but you Helen Zille followers are doing her an injustice by fanatically defending the wrong, come on guys lets get with it (honesty and fairness) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Mamlambo - Thats exactly it. Next time I'll try and sugarcoat the word 'refugee', with something like, the "previously unsupplied for encumbered relocated" or something silly. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Hooray Mamlambo! Thanks for bringing some sense to the party :)
Hooray somaartakeit! Thanks for bringing some more sense to the party :) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Mamlambo:
English 101: ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. I hope it clears the illusions you are having and can help combat the sn@kish behaviour you are displaying!! Who are you trying to fool?
Oh no, he has got the dictionary out...we are all doomed ;) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - hellen apologised for saying 'refugee'. I dont. I think its a very apt description to describe the over million people we have that relocated from Ecape to Wcape because of unemployment and education. ECape education department is BANKRUPT. They have FAILED their own school goers. Unfortunately, instead of rectifying the situation (with a vote), those people move to the province of the political party that THEY VOTED AGAINST, in search of a better life.
That puts MAJOR strain on the people living here. Housing, education and employment. The WCape doesnt get a bigger piece of the budget, because of these 'immigrants'. ECape has less people to deliver for, but they still get the same budget. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
somaartakeit
@Buc4life IF Malema were to become president (God forbid) then it wld be no different as with showerhead, only diffs then is that resources zuma corrupt anc enjoys today wld have been depleted to the point majority will join other failed states in receiving handouts from the UNAID, current leaders have no clue how to manage finances (personal) let alone those of a country, secondly as you can see our educ is deteriorating this means there is not going to be enough ppl to oil our economic wheel, that's why I often say, the anc doesn't understand investment they just grab the goose and eat it and its golden eggs,
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Somaar. Its all about serving the ppl. The government is failing to do that,hence service delivery protests. there is too much hogwash about positions but very little is done ito service delivery. Unemployment is rising. Crime is a factor, education is a challenge, yet the government seems to be aloof about all these. I dont really care who is in power, as long as people what we(taxpayers) pay them to do. at the rate it is going, we will be another Zim soon. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
BTW Makhosini this tribalism thing sweeping our political space is going to need real leaders to eradicate it and I don't believe anc has such a leader cause anc leaders are populists not substantive and this tribalism is a direct result of this populism, it is foolish for the anc to allow this sad mocking of our democracy by projecting zuma to us as a leader cause this guy is using apartheid methods of divide and rule he prolly doesn't not have a foresight damage this will cause to this country, cause I doubt that zuma learnt anything outside anc politics, ito what tribalism/ethnicity tensions can do to a country, I want to quote Bosnia vs Serbs, Ruanda, Sudan, does SA need this? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
BiPolar -
What does it say in there about how we should interpret: "Sh0ot the B0er?" Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@16-12-1838
Oh no, he has got the dictionary out...we are all doomed ;)
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You have such a classic online presence and character!! ROFL Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."
And in this case, the DISASTER is the ECape ANC provincial government. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@16-12-1838
BiPolar -
What does it say in there about how we should interpret: "Sh0ot the B0er?"
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Exactly what is says: --- it is our country and you are the refugees from Holland to be specific!! But for Peace's sake: we will call it a slip of the tongue and uncalled for!! Report Abuse
16-12-1838 - And in the meanwhile, Khoisan dudes are running around singing "Shoot the bipolar!" Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."
And in this case, the DISASTER is the ECape ANC provincial government.
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If we were talking in person: i will have slapped your nonsensical behaviour out of you!! You have thick foggy mind!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - If we were talking in person, you would be running away in fear dude. We know your kind, all big man behind the safety of your PC, but a coward in the flesh. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - PS, I dont slap. I punch :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - LOL, this guy :P
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I am surprised that you can even laugh at my comments: i thought if you smiled/laughed your face will crack!! - Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA it is encouraging to know that Helen Zille apologised cause at the end of the day she is only human and is prone to fallacies of being a human. My issue is for ppl defend this even though they can see that its causing tension, we should strive to get our opponents on board not seek to alienate them (this is my belief) and to win them over is to be sensitive to their issues. I know and you know that refugee if used in a correct context is not an offensive word.
BTW WakeUpSA its not only now under anc regime that ppl have been migrating to provinces with bigger economies such as CT and GP, hence economic migration, there was also back then education migrants, I don't know why is Ms Zille making a big deal about this and in the process causing this fuss we don't need. SAns enjoy freedom of movement, it shouldn't even be an issue which province ppl chose to get themselves jobs/education. The DA must please understand that to many the restriction of movement of apartheid which resulted in denied opportunities is still a sensitive issue, that is why I think Helen should be kind to the DA and not contest leadership of the party and hand over the reigns to the person who is up to date with politics today. She did great work for the DA. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - If we were talking in person, you would be running away in fear dude. We know your kind, all big man behind the safety of your PC, but a coward in the flesh
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I am a BOLD DARING Lion of Limpopo -- Fearless, Passionate, Unstoppable, Ready, willing and Able to do all and everything right now!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
BiPolar -
To be even more specific, I am of French Hugeunot refugee descent and not Dutch. 1689 to be even more precise...and you? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Bipolar
You can read the dictionary from front to back, that doesn't mean you will understand a language.
The word refugee can be used in many different ways to that which you have quoted.
Maybe you just like to cling to hatred, that is your own issue. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Mamlambo
Bipolar
You can read the dictionary from front to back, that doesn't mean you will understand a language.
The word refugee can be used in many different ways to that which you have quoted.
Maybe you just like to cling to hatred, that is your own issue.
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I am English First Language and Had a British Professor teach me English at Cambridge University --- so i won't buy into your whaffling comments!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - But that is the problem in South Africa Im afraid. You cant say exactly what the problem is, or otherwise you are 'being insensitive', and need to 'apologise' or whatever. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@16-12-1838
BiPolar -
To be even more specific, I am of French Hugeunot refugee descent and not Dutch. 1689 to be even more precise...and you?
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thanks for the confession: It clears the fog!!
I am a Black Tsonga Speaking Man, Educated, hailing from The Great North (Limpopo). Very Smart kinda guy -- Kick@ss style Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Hey WakeUpSA -
While we are getting technical with the dictionary and all, here is the definition of BiPolar :)
"Bipolar disorder or bipolar affective disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated energy levels, cognition, and mood with or without one or more depressive episodes. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes, or symptoms, or a mixed state in which features of both mania and depression are present at the same time. In some individuals, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, which is known as rapid cycling. Severe manic episodes can sometimes lead to such psychotic symptoms as delusions and hallucinations."
somaartakeit
I am glad that you are also raising the issue of President Mbeki and women empowerment. Its another issue for another day altogether.
I agree, that Mbeki is not perfect, no one is. We need to do away with this Zulu nostra now, once and for all. This fight between Zuma and Malema is getting out of hand and it has caused Lindiwe Sisulu, dearly and I promise you, Phosa and Sexwale are next, as the witch hunt is obvious.
The succesion battle is not open, I speak under correction here, but one branch in KZN publicly stated that they are supporting Zuma and the ANCYL has entered the fray, with playing it safe, supporting anyone who can dethrone Zuma, to get another ally made to manipulate? only time will tell. All this chaos in our political landscape are Zuma's own doing, (lugotshwa lusemanzi). He should excercised leadership and we will be discussing pertinent issues, not this tribal wars that the current ANC has drawn.
BTW, it used to be friends of Zuma and now friends of Malema, who is next? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@WakeUpSA everyone of these leaders should be able to say what the problem and suggest remedies without being antagonistic, if along the lines you say or do stuff incorrectly and ppl can see that your mistakes are genuine they will forgive you, SAns are a forgiving nation, that much is virtue as a SAn I pride myself with. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
BiPolar -
Apparently nothing can clear your fog except medication ;p Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election
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You have a very valid point: but it seem we are between a brick-wall and a stone!! I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party) given the histor of this country. Yes, those are issues to be addressed and someone must rise to the challenge and uproot the corruption and bribery issues within the anc! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@16-12-1838
BiPolar -
Apparently nothing can clear your fog except medication ;p
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You can give me 'medication for my pain' right here and now on this blog!! by Speaking your mind! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Bipolar
If you're english first language, then you certainly are driven by hatred rather than by logic.
Also, professor, it's spelled: waffling Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - True somaar *wink* (You still havent figured it out have you?). As for me, you could see, i was saying the exact same things as certain black commentators about Malema and about Zuma. Unfortunately I was the only one that got branded as a 'racist' with verwoerd as my uncle.
Dont worry, i know that the fools who cant debate will rip out the race card to try and defend their very flaccid position. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election.
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Somaar. that is the scariest part. Ppl cannot see that. Thet are so loyal to the ANC, it`s scary. Then again, what is the alternative party to the ANC? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party)"
So whats your answer then? Keep voting for the ANC and PRAY that something changes? Doesnt matter who you vote for, DA/IFP/KISS/Soccer party, just as long as you deprive the ANC of a vote to show your dissatisfaction. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mgwijikhwebu
Oh... my beloved and once mighty ANC... The th'ugs have taken over the once glorious movement, and they are busy running it down.
While we are getting technical with the dictionary and all, here is the definition of BiPolar :)
"Bipolar disorder or bipolar affective disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated energy levels, cognition, and mood with or without one or more depressive episodes. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes, or symptoms, or a mixed state in which features of both mania and depression are present at the same time. In some individuals, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, which is known as rapid cycling. Severe manic episodes can sometimes lead to such psychotic symptoms as delusions and hallucinations."
Case closed!
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On a lighter note: bipolar is only a pseudoname!! Damnit! On a serious note: you and your utterances cause people to have mood disorders!! --On a loud voice: I do not wish to loose sight of the debate -- so stop trying to derail me.. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
BiPolar
@somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election
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You have a very valid point: but it seem we are between a brick-wall and a stone!! I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party) given the histor of this country. Yes, those are issues to be addressed and someone must rise to the challenge and uproot the corruption and bribery issues within the anc!
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Bipolar. Who can, or how can corruption be uprooted from the ruling party?The way I see it, ppl get positions because they fought the struggle not because they are competent to deal with issues. It`s like the country owes them something. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makhosini I was never a friend of any one (esp politicians) cause I believe that if we stop trying to make them out as mini Gods then they will take their responsibilities serious, we should be making them to sweat for our votes not be reassured of it even when they do stuff which transgresses against us, that's being participant in our own abuse, if these politicians were fearful of what will happen to their jobs if they didn't deliver they wouldn't be undermining our intelligence by doing witch hunts and fighting for position, they would be fighting to ensure deliverance of services, in other words we (SAns) are busy shooting ourselves in the foot by accepting anything less than their 100% output in deliverance of our services, I was reading about Eskom staff parties costing SAn tax payers millions, I couldn't believe it that instead of Eskom paying off their WB debt with their reported profit they are having a party, you see monkeys (ppl) see leaders monkeying around with our hard earned tax now everyone starts thinking they can are also entitled to do. I honestly don't know what more to say in order for the ppl to realise that politicians can only honour and respect their mandates and tax payers if they know something will happen should they put their foot on the wrong, notice that most countries tolerant to corrupt politicians they are most poor countries, Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Mamlambo
Bipolar
If you're english first language, then you certainly are driven by hatred rather than by logic.
Also, professor, it's spelled: waffling
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It is called a typing error! Sn@key! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
somaartakeit
Anyway boys and girls have to yourself a wondrous afternoon now I have to go face my dentist *wipes away tears* see you tomorrow if I make it through, lol Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Enjoy having some random dude stick his hands in your mouth :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@buc4life
@Bipolar. Who can, or how can corruption be uprooted from the ruling party?The way I see it, ppl get positions because they fought the struggle not because they are competent to deal with issues. It`s like the country owes them something.
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We must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
TSHILISANANI
As ANCYL we are declare that ZUMA must fall from the president of ANC at mangaung. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Makhosini0408
@somaartakeit. You are spot on again. My personal view is that people like you and some bloggers, who I must add are patriotic about this country taking the route of my mother land (Swaziland) and Zim, needs to be vocal irrespective of criticism from certain quarters. The masses are going to liberate themselves from the arrogant ANC by voting it out.
I think that the DA has puts its foot in it, by patronising the masses in some instances. We need a new party that has no baggage, no political crosstituets like the Ziba Jiyane of this world. I am prepared to throw my weight on a party that is driven by the masses not priviledged few, elites or defending the rights of the previously advantaged.
Usho uliphinde, the anc is now like a engineless, wheel less and steering wheel less car, but to me its still pointing in the right direction, someone capable just need to assume responsibility of getting it back on the move. the opposition has not provided any real solutions except just pointing out the shortcomings of ukhongolose,
like i pointed out to Kii a good politician is not the one pointing out issues but the one providing his time to seek solutions. the DA, cope etc have done nothing but to point things i already know need attention. they better go campain in Limpopo coz there people seem to b unable to dertemine their own need but need a Juju or a Zille to point it out for them.
Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid, how do u stop people from freely moving in their country if u really mean to take care of everbody. the current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MzimbaShaker
I know this might be rediculed, but I think we are allowing journalists to run our country indirect. Most of the things Malema is saying can be said by anyone but we do not have the same platform as Malema.
Secondly, I once heard Gwede saying they will be leadership change in Mangaung, till to date I do not know what was the meaning of that. Most of the ANC top bros knows that they will be Leadership change.
Thirdly, I have never heard Zuma himself saying he wants the 2nd term except ppl concluding from what he is currently doing. But Guys do not be supprised come October only for Zuma to say He is tired of being the SA president he can not do it, ANC must get someone. PPl again will say he is chickening from Malemalism. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@TSHILISANANI
As ANCYL we are declare that ZUMA must fall from the president of ANC at mangaung.
oh yeah, so tell us maybe we will support u, whats the nearest planetory body from earth? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
Juju is simply the Black Equivalent of Zille ( Both with Racist Tendecies!!) But I love Juju!! Power to limpopo!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Mzimba
From all the politicking that we see, ie. reshuffling of cabinet, supporting of zuma-backers in provinces, second-transition document, all of the indicators would suggest that Zuma is aiming at second term.
@Bipolar
We must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!!
so how does Malema fare on this criterior u just highlighted? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - "Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid"
Zille didnt point this out, I pointed it out (If she did say it I wasnt aware of it).
"the current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA)"
From all the politicking that we see, ie. reshuffling of cabinet, supporting of zuma-backers in provinces, second-transition document, all of the indicators would suggest that Zuma is aiming at second term.
u r wrong, same trick played by Juju and Zuma to get rid of Thabo, u still fall for it. ($%% grumbling and uttering all type of insults, %^&&) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Wakey;
CYBORICO - "Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid"
Zille didnt point this out, I pointed it out (If she did say it I wasnt aware of it).
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You really sound like a VERY HIGHLY PAID AGENT for the caucasian party!! Your mentality is not any different to Zille's utterances --- so the shoes fit that what you have said - Zille can say it even better!!
CYBORICO - Ecape resources used up by ECape immigrants is the truth. You cant try and villify the truth by saying something about ''plain stupid". Thats like BiPolar ripping out the race card because he cant debate. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - Whatever dude, Im not affiliated with the DA. Im not a member of the party. Last elections I voted COPE nationally (wasted my vote), and DA provincially.
Get over yourself, stop getting your p@nties in a knot, rather learn how to debate instead of throwing your toys around. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@ 12 Jul 2012CYBORICO
@Bipolar
We must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!!
so how does Malema fare on this criterior u just highlighted?
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Malema is an ORACLE not the best of leaders - therefore i am of the opinion he is a rough diamond --- and with a little bit of polishing (training) - he could be a contender for leadership!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@wakeupsouthafrica
the current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA)"
Come on, what nonsense is this?
come on now, u should b aware of this, the afrikaaners wanted(naybe still do) to be given a portion of land with boarders within the SA land so they can do their b.oere things there. what Zille is doing in CT is excatly that . there is also a town here in SA that handles itself like afrikaaner state(its said u apply first to be accepted to stay there, no black maids, no black gardners, they say the b.oer is doing everything for himself there) and the ANC has been turning a blind eye on it, thats the stuff we dont need in the country.
MaMlambo, I did mention that if we look at what Zuma is doing that might lead us to blv that the man is looking for second term.
I am not a Zuma or a Malema maybe not even an ANC member, But I wouldn't trust any candidate choosen by the ANCYL. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - Whatever dude, Im not affiliated with the DA. Im not a member of the party. Last elections I voted COPE nationally (wasted my vote), and DA provincially.
Get over yourself, stop getting your p@nties in a knot, rather learn how to debate instead of throwing your toys around.
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Who is fooling who?You are the wolf in a sheep's skin!! On a lighter note: at least my p@nties are clean, you see!! and the Big sh@ngaan toy makes for a good mate to play with, so i can throw it around!! am c0cksure - the admirers will beg for it!! Report Abuse
Errr... are you saying that Zuma is NOT going for second term? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@ALL BL@CKS
I think we are all over-taken by tribalism and have lost our objectivity!! Let's take a deep breath and try to take a glimpse the reality of what might be going on here!
The Caucasian Party is using media channels to destroy our ANC -- we must be careful not to believe all that we read. What if Juju never said all these things - they are some utterances from the Caucasian party to help cause divisions amongst us!! I am smelling a rat!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bipolar
Malema is an ORACLE not the best of leaders - therefore i am of the opinion he is a rough diamond --- and with a little bit of polishing (training) - he could be a contender for leadership!!
u lack in values and standars, i will repeat what I sais earlier, i said people should stop thinking with their hearts or allow how they feel dictate how they will act.
what u say about Juju is that we can afford to let him make all type of mistakes at the expence of the taxpayers(which is what is currently happening) all in the name of grooming him, while we know that there is already someone who is a finished product for the big chair out there?
Zuma came to being by the same process of "how people feel" and instead of learning that this method dont work u still want 2 use it and put yet another trialist to run the country.
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No, you must go back to Dutchland/Holland: Sad to say: the ANC is here to stay --- whether you like it or not: The majority is black and and SA belongs to blacks and we shall rule our land!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
BiPolar
@ALL BL@CKS
I think we are all over-taken by tribalism and have lost our objectivity!! Let's take a deep breath and try to take a glimpse the reality of what might be going on here!
The Caucasian Party is using media channels to destroy our ANC -- we must be careful not to believe all that we read. What if Juju never said all these things - they are some utterances from the Caucasian party to help cause divisions amongst us!! I am smelling a rat!!
what if Zuma is not interested in second term, what if Zuma is not a tribalist like he is called on the media circles? u are campaining for the wrong guy my man Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Mzimba
Looks like ANCYL is not choosing any candidate, only they will support whoever is not zuma who will stand for the presidency.
Personally i don't think Motlanthe is a bad individual, although maybe he does not yet stand out as a confident leader, i don't think he could have come to where he is without leadership qualities.
@Tsar-Rasputin
Bottom line Zuma must go, even if Leon Schuster becomes our new Pressident let it
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Mickey-mouse behaviour!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Mamlambo
BiPolar
"SA belongs to blacks"
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now everything is more clear.
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Am glad you can see the light --- do you mean you did not know that this is our land? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
Mamlambo
Cyborico
Errr... are you saying that Zuma is NOT going for second term?
i am the type that accepts things onse they are made official, so yes until the ANC or Zuma himself states so i dont believ in all the rubbish being said about it. Thabo officialy said he will prefare the women deputy(aftre Zuma was suspended) to take over him, but guess what Juju and Zuma went about spreading the propaganda that Thabo was going 3rd term. So ya as much as i didnot fall for their trick it seems like the rest of u r willing to b fooled twice Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
Am out to grab some extra glucose - will be back shortly!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
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BiPolar - Apologies for the late reply, I had to attend to a business call
Here is my point of view brother and a civil justification for it. As I have mentioned earlier, I can trace my African heritage back to 1689 (and my European even further than that). So using logic and valid reason (323 years is a substantial amount of time in anyones language/culture no?), I consider myself African and my people a tribe of Africa - even though we were a little late starting out. To be denied that fact solely because of the colour of my skin is totally unjustifiable, illogical and is frankly...yes that word again...racist; no different to the inhumane and deplorable legacy created by my own people!
So where do we go to from here, that is the key question that needs to be addressed. Going around in circles, dragging up the past and throwing racial accusations at each other is counter productive and not resolving anything. It serves only to delay the process of success for this country.
I am in full agreement that the economic inequalities of the past need to be addressed and rectified, I feel shame because of Apartheid. It has robbed our generation (from all ethnic backgrounds) and those before us (mainly non-whites) of a great many things, I'm not only talking economically but also education, culture, security, compassion, sport etc. So shouldn't we try and overcome our history, together as one, with the African spirit of forgiveness to create a better future for all of our children?
The manner in which this is done is open to much debate and cloudy interpretation.What is crystal clear, is that it is the responsibility of every single one of us to make it work. It is not a quick process as attitudes take time to change and time is what is needed when healing. But equally, an accountable and honest govt is also needed to facilitate this process, this is currently not the case...we surely all agree on this one?
Yes the anc manifesto and our constitution are commendable but they are nothing without action, just letters on the pages of a well constructed document. I for one don't give a damn what party is running this country or what colour the president is, just as long as they have the best interests of our people at heart and DO what they actually promise. For me, the anc has not fulfilled this requirement and judging by what is happening now - never wil!
It is time to use our democratic right to vote (that so many sacrificed so much for), in the manner that it is supposed to be used, and to make that change. Doesn't matter who, because why should we endorse political power on those that care nothing for us and are only in it to finance their own 'economic freedom'? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BiPolar
@Cyborico:
i am not gonna waste my energy answering your comments as i think we have the same sentiments but slight difference of opinions. Simply stated: we see the same boat - but are not agreeing on what colour it is ! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
BiPolar
"SA belongs to blacks"
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now everything is more clear.
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Am glad you can see the light --- do you mean you did not know that this is our land?
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I can see that it will be pointless to argue with you. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
16-12-1838
am in full agreement that the economic inequalities of the past need to be addressed and rectified, I feel shame because of Apartheid. It has robbed our generation (from all ethnic backgrounds) and those before us (mainly non-whites) of a great many things, I'm not only talking economically but also education, culture, security, compassion, sport etc. So shouldn't we try and overcome our history, together as one, with the African spirit of forgiveness to create a better future for all of our children?
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The question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
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No, you must go back to Dutchland/Holland: Sad to say: the ANC is here to stay --- whether you like it or not: The majority is black and and SA belongs to blacks and we shall rule our land!!
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I have a Europeans passport mate, i live between Europe and here, dunno what you trying to prove???
The voter will decide if the ANC is here to stay or not, not you.
To be honest with you, a population can only have claim to a rather large landmass if they are able to defend that landmass from others. I do not think that was the case for you and your ancestors mate.........sorry for you. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Mamlambo
i don't think he could have come to where he is without leadership qualities
hey wena dont fall for that trick, ke mo mzansi here, we see people who cant do the jobs they were hired for getting promotions left and right because they can do PA functions for the managers, incompetency is allowed as long as the big boss can use u for getting his kids from school, compile his report etc. we see thyat stuff evryday. I was fan of this guy prior to Zuma taking over and have been watching him since, he is too quet to b a good leader, good leadership dont start when u get a leadership position, u can do it at a junuior post(u just have to hope your manager has vision otherwise in SA good deed never get noticed, forget rewarded simply because those who have to measure perfomence dont even have a clue how its done nor where to start)) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Cyborico
i am the type that accepts things onse they are made official, so yes until the ANC or Zuma himself states so i dont believ in all the rubbish being said about it. Thabo officialy said he will prefare the women deputy(aftre Zuma was suspended) to take over him, but guess what Juju and Zuma went about spreading the propaganda that Thabo was going 3rd term. So ya as much as i didnot fall for their trick it seems like the rest of u r willing to b fooled twice
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3rd term and 2nd term are VERY different things.
Zuma has much personal interest to protect, so i do not believe he will just walk away.
You are confident in your theory, but maybe don't be so quick to call everyone else a fool.
People don't all come to their conclusions on the basis of media 'propaganda' Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Buc4life -
A very good question sister! I wish I knew the answer to that one, I would certainly shout it out from the top of the highest mountain. I have my philosophy and views but like everyone elses, they always appear to idealistic for the reality of the situation. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@rothschild
To be honest with you, a population can only have claim to a rather large landmass if they are able to defend that landmass from others. I do not think that was the case for you and your ancestors mate.........sorry for you.
Dont like u at all but will agree with the above, i said it the other day when the first colonist arrived here he was supposed to be klubberd and fed to the lions, but no the warriors were in the mountains dying from peniss wound infections while trying "immediate transformation" from boy to man Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - "come on now, u should b aware of this, the afrikaaners wanted(naybe still do) to be given a portion of land with boarders within the SA land"
Correction on TWO points, its not the Afrik@ners that want their own volkstaad, its the right-wing Afrik@ners. And they dont want that Volkstaat in Cape Town (WCape), they want it in Orania (Northern Cape) and Kleinfontein (Gauteng) - (from wikipedia). Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - Arent you guys getting tired of baselessly vilifying the DA? Using things like volkstaat, and whatnot? Report Abuse
@Bucs4life
The question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
Champ dont be like a knife, b like a sword sharp on both sides. nationalisation is not a solution its far from being a solution. But if your real intentions are a quick buck at the expence of the masses then ya nationalisation is the way. Nationalisation will benefit the few who r connected to the government and thats it. so if u have no connection stop praying for it, nationalisation will be like tenders but only this time the gorvenment coffers(tax money) will pay for all the costs while the profits get shared by those in kick n bobozas who can speak in the language of the president and who dont mind l.icking a few a.sses to make it . Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mbongo
Ag shame, poor disgruntled youth league. Who told you that TRIBALISM will survive in South African politics. Go and ask your bosses, PW Botha, Verwoed and your bantustan leaders, tribalism failed to destroy ANC. You are also going to fail come Mangaung. Who told you that ANCYL are king makers in the ANC, is Malema? He misled you boy. Very soon you are going to ask for Limpopo to secceed from South Africa for the independence of Limpopo because there are tribes which you do not want.
Ag shame poor disgruntled youth league, you are frustrated. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
Why don't you like me?
u seem to log on just so u can insult black people, some of the things u say might b true, but considering our delicate situation here in SA, your comments might be interpreted as views of all white people. u need openminded black people first before u attempt attacking black mens ways not just everyone, it backfires. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
16-12-1838
Buc4life -
A very good question sister! I wish I knew the answer to that one, I would certainly shout it out from the top of the highest mountain. I have my philosophy and views but like everyone elses, they always appear to idealistic for the reality of the situation.
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Ok, we both know that taking from the rich to give to the poor does not and will never work. I think that government control must be limited in all sectors. Privatisation is the way to go in all sectors. after all, we are not born equal. Poor people want basic services. I mean, service delivery protests are sparked by lack of provision of these basic services by the municipalities. Then, the government must try to come up with strategies that will link education system to employment. Unemplyment causes poverty and a poor person is a liability to the state. Our government could have reduced the gap between rich and poor had it not been for incompetent govt officials and corruption. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Buc4life
As you and others have so eloquently put forward, I believe first and foremost in education - without that we might as well give up. The world is changing fast, we need to equip our children with every skill possible to face the future with eagerness and embrace all the advancements in technology with open arms.
The process: I would crush SADTU to start with and instill discipline amongst all teachers and ensure they respect their value, then build teacher training colleges across the country - making that vocation the most important asset to the nation, with desirable benefits to those who perform well. Finally once that is done, I would make all school education free.
Then allow a free market to determine which direction the economy should flow and adjust tertiary education accordingly - as per demand! Simple ;)
u seem to log on just so u can insult black people, some of the things u say might b true, but considering our delicate situation here in SA, your comments might be interpreted as views of all white people. u need openminded black people first before u attempt attacking black mens ways not just everyone, it backfires.
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I dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - Arent you guys getting tired of baselessly vilifying the DA? Using things like volkstaat, and whatnot?
never meant to aim for the DA but when people campaign for it on the blogs and potraying it like the next Jesus i have to intervene, i like the country anyone who wants to rule it should do so in an honest and trasparent way. hence i will help in dissolving any DA propaganda aimed at what is otherwise ANC voters Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - Allright, gotcha.
I think the "independant cape" party got 1% in the last elections :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Buc4life
Those that want to do well, will do well. Those that want to sit on their @ss can and won't do well. But every one should have the facility and opportunity to make whichever choice they desire, that way life is fair and it is down to the individual then...I did warn you that it was too idealistic for reality :) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Therothschild
I dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races.
ya that might be your intention, but what eventually get read is a different story, same with me i get thip views that i want to put across but fail and end up sounding like attcking people, and the same views will b put politley by another blogger here. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mozetct
If Zuma is re elected in Mangaung, then the ANC will have to work hard to convince the general public to vote for them. If now we can do a survey about whom the general public want as the country's president, I tell you Zuma will come last. DA can't wait for the re - election of Zuma as they know it will divide the ANC even further. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
16-12-1838
Finally once that is done, I would make all school education free.
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dont u think that the standard of education will drop with free education, considering that "free" basically means that the taxpayer is subsiding that education. Also, that might increase the burden on the alreadu heavily loaded taxpayer who must subsidise socoal grants, among others.
thae standard of education at "free" scgools is very low, hence the over-crowding at model-c schools. where parents pay fees.
"hence i will help in dissolving any DA propaganda aimed at what is otherwise ANC voters"
Even Mugabe with all his propaganda machines in Zim is going to lose to the opposition again.
Without service delivery, propaganda is meaningless. ZANU PF cannot deliver to the people, they have run out of farms to dish out, and did not invest in production, hence, the MDC will take Zim in a land slide from ZANU PF next year.
Currently, we are spending R210 billion a year on education (Almost a QUARTER of our annual budget). We are SPENDING MORE MONEY, than the next 20 African countries combined...
And yet we are of the least educated countries in Africa.
Far bigger problem here, than just money. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
16-12-1838
Buc4life
Those that want to do well, will do well. Those that want to sit on their @ss can and won't do well. But every one should have the facility and opportunity to make whichever choice they desire, that way life is fair and it is down to the individual then...I did warn you that it was too idealistic for reality :)
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No, your point is valid. Well, in a free-market economy, it is survival of the fittest. We are not born equal. The problem we facing now is incompetency of government to ensure that there are indeed equal opportunities. Some opportunities are reserved for BEE. AA is not correctly applied, so ppl do not really have equal opportunities. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
@Therothschild
I dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races.
ya that might be your intention, but what eventually get read is a different story, same with me i get thip views that i want to put across but fail and end up sounding like attcking people, and the same views will b put politley by another blogger here.
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I disagree, unless it is blatantly true, i dont attack any race or people in my argument.
If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with.
Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Buc4life - I thought education was already free?
Currently, we are spending R210 billion a year on education (Almost a QUARTER of our annual budget). We are SPENDING MORE MONEY, than the next 20 African countries combined...
And yet we are of the least educated countries in Africa.
Far bigger problem here, than just money.
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true. Education takes a bigger slice in the budget. then, u get teachers who go on strike. U get a minister, under whose leadership, books are trashed.
Education is not free in Model C schools. Parents are prepared to pay because they dont want standard to drop. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - I have to agree with Rotchild on this one. Too many white commentators (like him, s1nudeity, robinh, vanvuuren) get called 'racist' for merely not carrying the same views as the current ANC dude making a comment. Report Abuse
@Rothschild
"If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with."
not at all gun them down how u like
"Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people".
u will need to thread cafully here otherwise its not the anc thats going to feel insulted, epecially when questions like, wonder why people still vote the anc are included in your attcks. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Buc4life - Yeah, I think COSATU plays a bigger part in the failure of education then Vavi will ever admit. SADTU (Strike and dont teach union - as hellen calls it), should carry alot of blame.
Model C schools are neccesary. Especially in the current education climate. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
CYBORICO
@Bucs4life
The question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
Champ dont be like a knife, b like a sword sharp on both sides. nationalisation is not a solution its far from being a solution. But if your real intentions are a quick buck at the expence of the masses then ya nationalisation is the way. Nationalisation will benefit the few who r connected to the government and thats it. so if u have no connection stop praying for it, nationalisation will be like tenders but only this time the gorvenment coffers(tax money) will pay for all the costs while the profits get shared by those in kick n bobozas who can speak in the language of the president and who dont mind l.icking a few a.sses to make it .
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BTW, If you have been following my comments, u would have noticed that im anti-nationalisation. I was just asking a question. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Buc4life
Sure, that is the biggest issue I have too. But if our fiscal policy is managed correctly then it would be possible to do such things. A criminal amount of money disappears every year down a bottomless pit for many reasons we are all too aware of - stop that unnecessary shrinkage and implement good systems of accountability and financial reporting then we are all much better off.
As for the standard of education, it is once again down to good management and choice of curriculum. Regular school inspections, regular financial audits and well trained and enthusiastic teachers. Yes to get it off the ground would be a mammoth task but once operational it just needs control - like any business enterprise. And remember, a strong economy attracts larger revenue through taxation. Plus, less unemployed and uneducated people reduces payments for grants and housing.
I also think that we need to address the population growth rate, it is not sustainable. Both economically and ecologically but that again is not unique to SA but is a major concern for the planet. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
TOVLUX
Whatt ever people can say,tribalism, factionalism and so on and so on,the fact of the matter is its becoming a norm in the ANC to vote a leader based on emotions,ZUMA aka SHOWERMAN was voted when people were angry against MBEKI,now they are angry against ZUMA and wnnt to choose another one based on emotions .wnen will this stop,some body said if MOTLANTHE doesnt do what they want which I dont see him doing,it will be back to squaire one,rather choose somebody who is willing to go with the notion of nationalization of mines,banks and land issues,otherwise him too wont stay.what's the point of choosing the man whom you will want out very soon after his nomination. Zuma's nomination was wrong from the biginning so people cant repeat the same mistake.its unbecoming. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
@Rothschild
"If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with."
not at all gun them down how u like
"Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people".
u will need to thread cafully here otherwise its not the anc thats going to feel insulted, epecially when questions like, wonder why people still vote the anc are included in your attcks.
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I cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Buc4life - Yeah, I think COSATU plays a bigger part in the failure of education then Vavi will ever admit. SADTU (Strike and dont teach union - as hellen calls it), should carry alot of blame.
Model C schools are neccesary. Especially in the current education climate.
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Yes. I think that unions should not be allwed in some sectors, but the government must come to the party in terms of looking after teachers, for example. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bucs4life
BTW, If you have been following my comments, u would have noticed that im anti-nationalisation. I was just asking a question.
my bad champ, just happened to come across the question in one of them post u put up here Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Bucs4life
I think what Cybo was saying is that your question is faulty in itself.
"ow do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation? " suggests that nationalisation is an alternative, when in fact the reality is that it is NOT an alternative to addressing inequality at all.
Rothschild
I think you're mistaken in saying that the ANC is raping the public resources.
Certainly there are elements in the party who are doing it, but it is inconceivable that it's endemic to a man. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@rothschild
I cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them
every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at.
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - "the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here"
Here we go again...
The irony, you condemn Rotchild for saying things that could be construed as 'racist', but you are merely fanning the flames in your own way. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - Have you EVER even been to CT? If you can find a whites only bar, I will buy your next Black label for you :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mamlambo
Cybo
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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that just makes you a savage, nothing else. Maybe you also like to dictate who can do what and where, like people say of zuma. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Winilen
My good ppl tribal politic wont take us anywhre... both Malema & Zuma are full of S*(&t and it should stop & we hold the power to that, we must stop pushing their agenda....
If I may ask what is the youth of Limpompo wants that is going to change our lifes: they cant just say they dont want Zuma because they want to nationalise the mines & get the land for free, our own ANC ppl cant even run the government dpts they in nx!
Limpompo is the worse when it comes to service delivery(schools dont have text books in june) why are they not fighting for that?
@wakeupsa
CYBORICO - "the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here"
Here we go again...
my apologies again, what I wanted to say is if he doesnot care about who hears what he says he better find a place where the people wont get offended by his utterances.
CYBORICO
@rothschild
I cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them
every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at.
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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This is a public forum where i have the right to voice my opinion..........and if my opinion is against the rules of the Sowetan terms & conditions, they would of deleted me off ages ago mate. So you have lost this one im afraid.
"every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at."
Talk about hypocrisy.
On that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
Mamlambo
Cybo
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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that just makes you a savage, nothing else. Maybe you also like to dictate who can do what and where, like people say of zuma.
Not really, people r floping everyday and they seem to preach to each other to do more bad stuff, i will forgive myself it i were to do something bad, i have been too clean latley and i have been enjoying it, Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Mamlambo
Rothschild
I think you're mistaken in saying that the ANC is raping the public resources.
Certainly there are elements in the party who are doing it, but it is inconceivable that it's endemic to a man.
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When there is a scandal in a company or any organization, the company as a hole has to take full responsibility, not individuals.
No wonder J00Z went with bomb squad to limpopo. Lol Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@rothschild
On that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else.
cum on now we black people dont closed doors when we having fun man, except of coarse when we do our c.ulture things. u r welcomed in all d.arkie bars and they will make u feel special bro, mybe even hand u a Sophie to entertain u
Ya u can say what u like man, its your pc and the like, what can a black man say to u my man,as u said u r of f.rench r.oyal b.lood line Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
@rothschild
On that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else.
cum on now we black people dont closed doors when we having fun man, except of coarse when we do our c.ulture things. u r welcomed in all d.arkie bars and they will make u feel special bro, mybe even hand u a Sophie to entertain u
Ya u can say what u like man, its your pc and the like, what can a black man say to u my man,as u said u r of f.rench r.oyal b.lood line
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We only treated well because you want us to spend :) Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
Why would you want to go to a white bar anyways.........unless you into white vajaja? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Rothschild
I dont choose the color of the vijaja i chow bro, they r all soft edible to my weeny Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
Buc4life - sorry duty called again.
In our specific scenario, I think AA is a valid argument for one of the rectification processes for past wrongs and I supported the notion. Initially I too believed that even though that person has not had the same opportunities as the minority and perhaps doesn't have all the skills, now is the time that a previously disadvantaged individual should get that opportunity. To earn the salary that that position commands and to grow into the responsibility of ownership of that position, under the guidance of people with such experience.
They and their families could then enjoy the benefits of this improvement in lifestyle, be able to pay for a decent education for their children, afford a nicer house...and so the whole process moves forward. So in theory and if implemented correctly from the outset, it should only take a few generations to serve its intended purpose and level the playing field.
My problem is that it has been severely abused by both sectors of the racial/economic divide. This would not have happened on such a large scale if it had ben policed properly and those in higher positions had not been corrupted by their own greed. So it really has achieved very little, besides making those with the right connections very wealthy and those affected by it bitter.
Perhaps I am way out of line by saying this, so apologies beforehand, but I think that it creates a negative psyche for the broader group of those recipients of AA. If someone kept insisting that my competition needed to be handicapped in order for me to succeed, I would feel more than a little inferior and cheated - regardless of past circumstances. Where do we draw the line? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
SharpSharp
When is he leaving??????????????????????????????? Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
16-12-1838
CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it.
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Why restrict yourself to the confines of a colour and tribe....the world is a big place! None but ourselves can free our minds! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
CYBORICO
@Bloodriver w.ar aka 16-12-1836
CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it.
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Why restrict yourself to the confines of a colour and tribe....the world is a big place! None but ourselves can free our minds!
ya man but in a country of 49 mil when your dream is to see all free and having equal orpotunities u might loos it at time when the magority seem to act in ways that take u away from your dream Report Abuse
A significant date to remind us all that in the face of adversity and betrayal, we can all triumph over insurmountable odds!
"in a country of 49 mil when your dream is to see all free and having equal orpotunities u might loos it at time when the magority seem to act in ways that take u away from your dream"
I hear you, don't let those dreams be shattered though. If you can't have what you want now, then fight and work hard to ensure that your children are able to realise their dreams...certainly your parents sacrificed a lot for you, it is a process that we all have to endure and respect is a wonderful lubricant to help speed up the ride brother.
CYBORICO
@Rothschild
I dont choose the color of the vijaja i chow bro, they r all soft edible to my weeny
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My entire family and I agree that Jacob Zuma must go. Granny says Zuma must go. Mummy says Zuma must go. My wife says Jacob Zuma must. My children say Jacob Zuma must go. My neighbours say Jacob Zuma must go. Everyone I meet says Zuma must go. Operation Dispatch Back to Nkandla has begun and I support it whole-heartedly. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
viva
Limpompo YL is out of order, we are africans and we have culture, wht happened to Parent / Child respect? What Limpompo YL is doing is A Sound of Bitterness. Maybe in Limpompo young people do address their parents the same way they are addressing Zuma hay man no no no. Where is Ubotho and where is Batho Pele? Sometimes I think our continent is suffering due to these kind of behaviours. I know this is going to offend many readers 'Africa is a cursed continent' as they say the truth is always bitter The other day I attended the Social Cohesion Summit what was the outcome? ZERO!!!!! All what we know is to fight each other and let the Europeansenjoy the riches of our natural resources. It is sad to see young people bahiving like this while the rest of the world is developing in high speed. Look at China, Korea, India and many other countries the are not toy toying instead they are competing with rest of the world and what about us? Report Abuse
Jul 13, 2012
MrGreen!
Rudzani weh!,you are one senseless boy who doesn't even know what he is talking about,I don't listen to people who's mind is governed by other people,They have just put you there to push their agenda,soon they are going to ditch you if you don't know and seeing on TV involved in Fist Blows was an example that you are not matured eneough to lead anyone,u shoud just go to sheebens and start the fight there,shame to you Malema Tool.and dont lie to people and say only three provinces are behind Zuma,wake up and smell the coffee boy,even limpopo is 100% behind Msholozi and other provinces Report Abuse
I also say OUT MSHOLOZI OUT, OUT ZUMA OUT, OUT ZHREK OUT!! Report Abuse
Jul 25, 2012
mothikeng
the youth of limpopo... ask them about education they look down... all they know is parting... the reason why Malema goes around the local school making parties... Report Abuse
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Magava
Rudzani Ludere said the attack on them during the Nelson Mandela memorial lecture on Tuesday, which was delivered by Zuma in Thohoyandou, was orchestrated by "somebody who is a Zulu" but did not mention the person by name_____________________________________________________________
I didn’t new that we are in a tribal war here, is too early they are going to see fire works as days approach
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Memme
Ka nnete bofelo bja lefase bo fithlile, These are all the signs that were predicted by the bible.Report Abuse
Sugaar
We'll support anyone so long as it is not Zuma--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I like this one.
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YLmember
I full agree with Ancyl in limpopo that Zuma leave.Report Abuse
Nestum
If they want Kgalema, do u think Kgalema will back nationalisation. No 1 in the ANC leadership will support Tthe ANCYL on this 1. Secondly land grabbing is also not going to be supported by Kgalema. So who ever will take ropes and fail 2 adopt ANCYL's policies, he/she is out period.Report Abuse
maneater
ANC Youth League leaders in Limpopo yesterday declared that they would support any candidate who will stand against President Jacob Zuma in December.==========================================================================
THAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN
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Vhamsanda
I am not sure if Motlanthe is the rite candidate for position of president , simply because he lacks back bone. He is a hard worker but does have leadership qualities.Report Abuse
hiddengold
when kzn said they backed zuma they were called tribalists whats this?it is only natural to support a candidate from your province abt wanting zuma to go everyone is entitled to have their own opinion we will see in decemberReport Abuse
Debmann
who ever will bcome the next president they r all corrupt & ppl will b tired b4 they finish their term. It's a stupit processReport Abuse
Jones
Tribal politics is very dangerous for any progressive nation . It is being very short sighted to use this to gain a bigger following be it anti or pro Zuma. The pple suggesting that Zuma is working for the betterment of his zulus should be very much aware that anyone can still construe that their choice of Montlante is also a tribal one. The problem is if we start using tribes as trump cards to fight our battles , the reality is anyone that can be voted into leadership still belongs to a particular tribe.Report Abuse
Makati
Zuma does not need Malema or ANCYL limpopo to lead the ANC after Mangaung.Report Abuse
ncagumbuduma
Any one but Mbeki, they gave us Zuma, because he is not dancing to their music and has closed their tenders, they start a new campaign, any one but Zuma. Whoever is going to be tempted to accept a vote from these folks is in for a high jump. Motlanthe is too principled if he accept a nomination from this folks he is not going to last six months. Maybe they must try Sexwale he is a fellow Pedi and desperate to be President..Report Abuse
Mellow
zuma vs malemaI think we can all agree that this 2 really need to go before more ppl lose their lives its ridiculous and ppl are so stupid they are failing to see them for what they really are. More ppl are gonna die in this war and its worse cause its turning into a tribal war oohh how the whites must be laughing at you black stupid ppl yáll are crazy man yerrr
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GigiMavalani
Who are they trying to fool? This small boys and girls of the so called youth league think they are bigger than the anc, the anc was there before they were born and will exist for some few years before it looses power because of their stupidity. What are they doing themselves to the poor people of Limpopo rather than throwing party after party and driving flashy cars stealing our money everyday through tenderpreneurship. So if Zuma is developing Nkandla its good for him and should be eye opener for them to do the same for people of Limpopo.Report Abuse
TheGenius
I am also singing the same tune with you guys. Zuma must go! This is is NOT a tribalist view. Nathi singamaZulu sithi uZuma asimfuni. Yebo akhona amanye amaZulu amthandayo, but as for me, and my household, we are fed up with uZuma. Let him go...Zuma has overstayed his welcome. Wayexosha uMbeki nje wayethi kuyobanjani. Ukungafundi kuyingozi ngoba ukuba ufundile nje wayeyokwazi ukuthi isondo liyajikajika. The tables have truned! Akahambe eyokwelusa amadada eNkandla.
Immediately after Manguang, they must summon him to court to answer his over 700 fraud charges...
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Limpopoist
ZUMA should be remove Tabo Mbeki style Finish and klaarReport Abuse
YLmember
Some of us support Zuma in polokwane because we saw ourselve in him, “so we thought”. We wanted to symbolised the notion that u don’t need to be born with a silver spoon to make it in life. But the complexity of running a country and the biggest & oldest movement in Africa overwhelmed Zuma. Instead of him seeking assistance in the movement, he run to Guptas and outsource leadership responsibility to them. We don’t want Zuma because he has failed to united he Anc and the country. “hence our position that Zuma must go”Report Abuse
truthhurt
Debmannwho ever will bcome the next president they r all corrupt & ppl will b tired b4 they finish their term. It's a stupit process
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Was Tata Mandela corrupt? Was President Thabo Mbeki corrupt? all steriotypes!
There are a lot of good Leaders within the organisation.
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Stimela
are Zulus not allowed to support Motlanthe? Ludere if you go the Tribal route you will lose. Zuma is coming back for second term if you continue like this. Please ANCYL stop misusing the word "Zulu", Zuma is an ANC member he is not representing Zulu's in there, he is representing the ANC. if he fails ANC has failed.its not about umZulu or iPedi its about SERVICE DILIVERY!
INGONYAMA ISILO SAMAZULU IS REPRESENTING ZULU'S.
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weneedeconomicfreedom
If Zuma was giving a Nelson Mandela memorial lecture, why is he not serving one term? Which Mandela was he was he talking about ? Zuma is 180 degrees out of phase with the former President Nelson Mandela yet he gives Mandela lecture. he banna!!!!!!!Report Abuse
Buc4life
Stimelaare Zulus not allowed to support Motlanthe? Ludere if you go the Tribal route you will lose. Zuma is coming back for second term if you continue like this. Please ANCYL stop misusing the word "Zulu", Zuma is an ANC member he is not representing Zulu's in there, he is representing the ANC. if he fails ANC has failed.
its not about umZulu or iPedi its about SERVICE DILIVERY!
INGONYAMA ISILO SAMAZULU IS REPRESENTING ZULU'S.
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Stimela. You spot on. this is not about Zuma being Zulu. I dont know why ppl want to see this in the context of tribalism.
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LeparaThePresident
@Sowetan you are very good in editing speeches,.Where is the part where Ludere say Nkandla village looks like a city in KZN.Report Abuse
CAKE1
Zuma to me is another "MAN prostitude" - a croock & an idi0t.Report Abuse
lisalisa
I totally agree with you Limpopoist...... HE MUST JUST GO!!!!!Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
The problem with the Youth and all its members is one" You cannot speak on top of your voice as if you are in tarven to relay your vierws. Malema was adviced to be more civil,dignified,intellingent , but he opted to make lot of noice only to relay a single element of truth" The youth league thinks that the louder you speak the more truthfull or fearless,brave you are.Report Abuse
Stumaeza
Yes the bastard must go & jail is waiting for himReport Abuse
Dandan
@Nestumlol, kwakwakwakwak tlitlitlitli hihihihihihi
Are these people campaigning of committing suicide
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
ZUMA FOR SECOND TERM!!!So that the opposition parties can win another province or two in the next elections.
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Mgaraji
Rabies infested fat Zimpompo Youth League.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
As mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@maneaterANC Youth League leaders in Limpopo yesterday declared that they would support any candidate who will stand against President Jacob Zuma in December.
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THAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN
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The idea to support Zuma in Polokwane, was that there were no leaders to who wanted to challenge Mbeki. Cyril refused straight up. So, there was a behind the scene jokeying and ppl felt Zuma can do the job. But it was not spelt out to everyone that immediately after Mbeki is ousted, Zuma should be charged, but hey leaks are every where and Zuma ended outplaying people like Phosa et al. So never under estimate double head.
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Gampopompolaye
Things are getting out of hand now,i smell trouble. South Africa is coming to an end period!Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@maneaterTHAT IS THE EXACT REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PREDICAMENT. YOU SUPPORTED ANYPNE TO REMOVE MBEKI WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT WERE HIS CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. PLEASE APPLY YOUR MINDS BEFORE SUPPORTING A PERSON AND LISTEDN TO WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER OTHERWISE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE YOU WILL BE REGRETING YOUR DECISION AGAIN
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Very good point!!!
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LeparaThePresident
@weneedeconomicfreedomIf Zuma was giving a Nelson Mandela memorial lecture, why is he not serving one term? Which Mandela was he was he talking about ? Zuma is 180 degrees out of phase with the former President Nelson Mandela yet he gives Mandela lecture. he banna!!!!!!!
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But he never said he wants two terms. You can google the ANC website, there is no such a thing that he said.I do not like him either for two term, i think one is enough.Otherwise Khulubose is going to diie of obesity.
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BRA-MAFUTHA
ANCYL i agree with u that Zuma must go, but the rest hayi khonaReport Abuse
Simosakhe
:was orchestrated by "somebody who is a Zulu" but did not mention the person by name:Good people we are resorting to very dangerous politics...Ethnicity/Tribalism....will only take us back to where we once were..STOP IT..be it anti Zuma or pro Zuma...lets build this land, free from tribalism!
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sirmty
im not pro zuma but id rather have him than mbalula/beyonce as sg of the ANC, they say Zuma has support from only 3 provinces hahahaha they'r forgeting that KZN has the largest members, followed by EC(divided between Kgalema and Zuma).....so these peddie boys shouldnt count their chickens before they hatchReport Abuse
Mgaraji
GampopompolayeThings are getting out of hand now,i smell trouble. South Africa is coming to an end period!
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Coward. Ayabaleka amagwala uSathane uzongenzani
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Lehipi
@ ncangumbuduma! for your information mothanthe is a Pedi ( he grew up in gauteng to migrant labour parents ) but this is not my main reason for commenting!mshini wa nkandla / msholozi, in his acceptance speech in 2007 he lied to the nation that he wanted only one term... now he realises that he cannot cope without power he uses every platform 2 campaign for a second term! i would be in mangaung in december as a voting delegate and i will support any candidate who challenges zuma, whether she/ he is venda, shangaan, coloured, ndebele, pedi or xhosa...
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ndhandhazi
ANCYL leadership in Limpopo and Free State must be disbanded and its leaders be desciplined by ANC. They attend meetings organised by MALEMA and disrupt ANC gatherings. It is an insult. They have resigned from ANC.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
u know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogsReport Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@ndhandhaziANCYL leadership in Limpopo and Free State must be disbanded and its leaders be desciplined by ANC. They attend meetings organised by MALEMA and disrupt ANC gatherings. It is an insult. They have resigned from ANC
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A good ANC cdr who understand the workings of ANC and its policies would say that. Keep up ndhandhazi.
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guiliano
"We are positive that Comrade Kgalema [Motlanthe] will avail himself," the league's provincial secretary Jacob Lebogo said.========================================================================
has he got bolls?
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China).
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Dandan
1tsotsiAs mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now.
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for the very first time I agree with you , you see thats the game we play in the anc, we agree and disagree, as we alwys says "One teach One"
However , you need to commend me for grooming you, today you are getting matured
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LeparaThePresident
@CYBORICOu know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogs
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Very good point indeed.Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth.. But what do you mean by "working for their own pocket"?
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Buc4life
People; irrespective of who the ANC president is, the people on the ground are suffering. Some of you are crying tribalism. Some of u want Zuma out cause he is Zulu. If another leader is elected inn Mangaung, do you guys think that things will change? I douct that. The whole ANC is corrupt. This is not about the president only but the organisation as a whole. People are preferring one leader over another, meanwhile another leader will still carry out the same ideologies.What Im saying here is that the entire ANC needs to be held liable for this mess. As such, they must be made to pay, and the only way we can do that is by voting them out. the problem is there is no alternative, credible opposition party to vote for. that being said, we can still vote them out- Things will not change when Zuma is ousted.
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Buc4life
CYBORICOu know I think its about high time one starts working for their own pockets and well being and stop caring about SA, this mogoes realy want to turn us into another Zim. the white business people are already striping the country naked by doing business tha only caters for them and brings nothing to the economy in general, and they are atleast are capable to do good if they choose to, but since they already lost hope in this SA circus i think i will join them, lets all get paid and run the country to the dogs
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Most big and large-medium corporates are owned by Whites, that is why the economy is still in their hands.
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LeparaThePresident
@WakeUpSouthAfricaCYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.
I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China).
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My brother you missed the point, CYBORIC only mentined the whites business stripping their own business not the public purse. We know our politicians and their cabals are stripping the public purse(fiscas) a case in point Limpopo. But cyboric is saying the whitte ppl have no hope at all, that is why they are looking only to support their kin. Not Khulubose Zuma stripping Aurora mine and neglecting his workers to suffer.
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Lehipi
@ ndhandha, u must be high on nyaope / durban poison..no one will touch the youth league in limpopo for a simple reason that the spear wants the support of the province cum december! that is the same reason that they have not dealt with the premier of that province ( even though they know that he is one of the biggest backers of the " friends of the youth league " ) the spear of nkandla will be history after mangaung...finish and klaar! at least he can freely spread compete with his king (silo sa mabandla ) by marrying as many women as it tickles his fancy...Report Abuse
1tsotsi
Dandan1tsotsi
As mch as i agree with the Majority that J-Zero must go.... But i think these boys(Ludere & Lebogo) should have known better, it was not zumas lecture but a lecture about Mandela our icon.. Zuma has nothing to offer to our Movement and the country as a whole, i personally think they disrespected Mandela, even though the fight was started by zumas hired security guards( Fak.e) A.K.A mkmva... Its such a shame what we are going through this now.
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for the very first time I agree with you , you see thats the game we play in the anc, we agree and disagree, as we alwys says "One teach One"
However , you need to commend me for grooming you, today you are getting matured
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Kikikikiki, you the next David Kau, comedian.... Very soon you will say 1TSOTSI bra yam' you were right zuma was going down. True that "EACH ONE TEACH ONE" i'm about to teach you real politics, politics 101 THE 48 LAWS OF POWER, BY ROBERT GREENER.
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retard
So lokhandakhulu owu malema ucabanga ukuthi izwe leli liphethwe uye?ngeke alunge la konke loku esingakuqondi okungamavenda nama pedi okugxeka amaZulu akuhambe kuyofa...kusho ukuthi uma ungenzi njengoba kuthanda umubiza umalema uzothi xoshwa.. So ukhandakhulu ufuna abantu abazozwa ngaye akesibone ukuthi uma ephuma uMsholozi ukhona yini oyovuma i land without compensation ewumongameli.... kunezimpi ezingaka koRwanda nako Somali ingoba kuyekwa iziphukuphuku ezifana nokhandakhulu umalema.... uma efaka amaZulu ufaka wonke umuntu owomZulu nabantu abangahlangene yena akasho akushoyo ayeke itribalism coz it will lead to civil war.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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Retlaw
Tribal politics is very dangerous for any progressive nation . It is being very short sighted to use this to gain a bigger following be it anti or pro Zuma. The pple suggesting that Zuma is working for the betterment of his zulus should be very much aware that anyone can still construe that their choice of Montlante is also a tribal one. The problem is if we start using tribes as trump cards to fight our battles , the reality is anyone that can be voted into leadership still belongs to a particular tribe.
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Tribal politics has been in existence long before Spear regime
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Decibels
WE AGREE THAT ZUMA MUST GO BUT THIS THING OF CALLING OUT COMRADES BY THEIR TRIBES IS NOT ON AND WILL NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE.Report Abuse
Buc4life
WakeUpSouthAfricaLeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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I think it is their inability to link education with employment. SA has structural unemployment meaning that people are not skilled for jobs available. The economy cannot grow when ppl are not working. SA is the powerhouse of Africa,and it is sold as such. Foreign investments are aplenty unless a polotical crisis surfaces.
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CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfricaCYBORICO - White own businesses stripping the country naked? Come now, were sick of your anti-white propaganda. At least I can point you examples of your politicians stripping the country naked.
I can also show you where one of your own actually stripped the assets of a mine, neglected his workers and tried to sell it off to a foreign country (China).
No bro its not about colour here, its about those who cares and who can visualis and dream good things who are I talking about, the white people have shown that and right now they seem to have changed tune, not that I blame them but the situation is getting more helpless by the day. Sa cannot feed itself, the farmers have opted for crops that are lucrative on the export market, and most of these require minimum labour or seasonal labour which in return has little contribution in the economy or unemployemnt fight that we face in SA
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modjela
Bafana ba ba ANCYL ba na gana gore re di tlaela.You stupid boys, pls give us a chance to apply our mind. we know what is right and wrong as young people of this country. you failed us you blady bastards.Report Abuse
Dandan
@1tsotsiudakiwe sony Im grooming you, yimi isikhokho,
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Fanle
Two tribalists who want us to listen to their viewsReport Abuse
Buc4life
CYBORICONo bro its not about colour here, its about those who cares and who can visualis and dream good things who are I talking about, the white people have shown that and right now they seem to have changed tune, not that I blame them but the situation is getting more helpless by the day. Sa cannot feed itself, the farmers have opted for crops that are lucrative on the export market, and most of these require minimum labour or seasonal labour which in return has little contribution in the economy or unemployemnt fight that we face in SA
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Isnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites.
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lebenzo
"Zuma must go"said Limpopo ANCYL and i agree with themReport Abuse
Fergie
Yes get rid of the pres, I support u 101%Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@WakeUpSouthAfricaLeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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Point taken my broer, but who are those foreign investors.Whites, am not talking about the Chineese.We aught to understand that, the very own white ppl we have in SA, are our very own link to foreign investors not excluding the ping pong ANC policies.
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Lethabo44
Mangaung or no Mangaung,pro-Zuma or anti Zuma,bakwethu yilwani izimpi zenu nodwa ningabali wonke umZul ngoba uma kuqhubeka kanjena kuzosaphaka uphoko.Into embi kufa abantu abangenacala nisinde nina baqhathi bezwe.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
Dandan@1tsotsi
udakiwe sony Im grooming you, yimi isikhokho
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You will be my number one student, i can see that you have the right political attitude. You just need to get rid of you arrogance. Follow my steps, mfana.
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LeparaThePresident
@Buc4lifeWakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Whites are no longer hopefull about SA and they do not bring anything to the table for economic growth"
Dont agree with you. The biggest cause to the stifling on economic growth is the ANC's double-speak to foreign investors.
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I think it is their inability to link education with employment. SA has structural unemployment meaning that people are not skilled for jobs available. The economy cannot grow when ppl are not working. SA is the powerhouse of Africa,and it is sold as such. Foreign investments are aplenty unless a polotical crisis surfaces.
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@Buc4life I am of the position that 98% of bloggers here including our white bloggers etc, are the product of the then education (Bantu education/join matriculation board era).But hey were checked out nicely and we can even surpass the technological pupils in what we do. It all about the willing learnered and willing learnee.Besides the labour laws that stiffle economic growth in SA, the youth of today are just laygatte. They expose themself to easy victories like getting monies but not working for it. they cannot even sustain themself on piece jobs.That is why they are crying left and rite that foreigners(sic) are taking their jos.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - Point taken.Report Abuse
Impela
Instead of being objectionably obtuse, what about the simple practise of garnering enough votes to oust President Zuma, or do we want to have the conference to degenerate to it being declared uncostitutional?Report Abuse
BabyNono87
Vavi warned the ANC that if they don't pull themselves together, they will lose electoral support to DA. As for Zuma, i fully support the Limpopo ANCYL when they say, he must go, for the mere fact that he is morally bankrupt and he is the cause of all our problems in this country..............Report Abuse
JIGSAWPUZZEL
If ANC fails and this country plunges into a non-governable state then i will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that there is something wrong with a black person....we are the hope of Africa and if the ANC fails South Africans,it will not only be SAn's they fail but the rest of Africa.Back to the topic................ZUMA MUST GO!!!!!
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Nwanawamukalaha
Is waar bafowethu, "peanut head" Zuma must GO.Report Abuse
Mosegamongwe
We leaving in a funny worldReport Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
LeparaThePresident - "Besides the labour laws that stiffle economic growth in SA, the youth of today are just laygatte."Its Generation-Y.
Why cant i borrow your car?
Why do I have to move out of the house?
Why do i have to study? :P
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Naivegirl
South African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance?Report Abuse
Secretary
He claimed that Zuma only had the support of three provinces - Mpumalanga, KwaZulu-Natal and Free State - and that the other provinces had not declared out of fear.`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
No cadre, Free State is not interested in Zuma. Only Ace is desperate for auto-showerman and Ace is not the Province.Even Mpumalanga and KZN is divided. KZN people are too wiser than Zuma,they can read when zuma wants to use tribe for votes and some of them will smack him in mangaung. It is wrong to think or say all Zulus are zuma's supporters. I am a zulu man who do not need help to think correctly.
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Mils
If only the president of the ANC was chosen by the people of the republic and not only by the ANC branches, we wouldn't be in this mess...Report Abuse
Queenlatifa
Provincial treasurer Kabila Malatji added: "We are saying Zuma must go."**************************************************************************************
Zuma must definately leave the president office. but we must be careful who we support to take his place. lets learn from the mistake that we did fellow comrades.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Naivegirl - Yeah, animal farm. Very apt. That and 1984.Another good book is "Atlas shrugged".
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Epistemologist
Tribal politics will continue to play a major role in our country as long as we geographically keep and sustain the provincial borders. We remain internal refugees. ANC seems to have no clue of where it is going. It is a party full of descenting voices. The comrades are so self centred. Get rid of provinces and we will not see tribalism.Report Abuse
LeparaThePresident
@NaivegirlSouth African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance?
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All those who read the book wrote JBM matric. I like that squeaky p!g which was always againg old John Major. remember it?
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CYBORICO
@Bucs4lifeIsnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites
I dont agree with u here, SA has much of the agric land used for livestock farming and we still export meet from Botswana and the like, because we can get it cheap, the our own gron meat because of its good quality is sold on the export market to derive maximum returns.
Whats remaining of the crop farming land is slowly turned into crops that need little or no attention at all, i.e your macadenia farms, oones planted they take more than 10 yrs to mature(providing little employement in that time and becaming a wasted land interms of what it could have produced it it were for normal crops.
The economy is indeed still in the white mans hands, but I am not a fan of we have to take it by force, we need them and currently we are making sure that they feel unneeded, hence they are trying to maximise their returns in case they do have to leave this shores after we turn the country into a 24/7 circus
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Dandan
@SecretaryUnfortunately Zuma has never played a tribal card, under no circumstances, it is Ludere and Malema who keeps on playing tribalism. In Limp the people who were celebrateing Malemas expulsion were nt Zulus, Magaqa is a Zulu but nt support Zuma in NWest Supra is a Tswana not in Malemas camp yet Modise is supporting Malema.
All what I see with Malema as I predicted that he will be fired from the anc indeed was fired, now Im predicting again I see Sifiso Nkabinde debacle again, watch the space.
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xhosagirl
Sowetan today is about ANC and its Youth, GOSHReport Abuse
CYBORICO
LeparaThePresident@Naivegirl
South African politics remind me of a prescribed book we read in school called "Animal Farm". Anyone read it by chance?
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All those who read the book wrote JBM matric. I like that squeaky p!g which was always againg old John Major. remember it?
yah animal farm indeed headed by the boar called "lack of infomation"
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO - *sniff*, you are saying what Ive been trying to say here for awhile.White folks are being alienated by the ANC. They are villifying us. We (I cant speak for everyone but...) WANT to make the country work. But its difficult to do so, if everyone considered you an enemy.
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sabza007
There is no Holy cow in the ANC. All those who were part of the struggle want to enrich themselves first before the majority of SA population. We want the next leader to be an Economist,yet his/her eyes must look down on Earth like a hawk.Report Abuse
zoned3
You dont need to come up with any policy, nothing to say how you will move the country forward, no plan of action @ all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just don't be Zuma and you have our vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS ARE THE PEOPLE YOU CALL LEADERS OF THE YOUTH??????????????
I think being patriotic has to stop because they now dont have a vision of where they want us as a nation to go, they are merely playing music chairs.
@maneater im with you there
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BiPolar
Power to Limpopo: I also support any leader but Zuma!! Most people are blinded by the Zulus who are fighting to keep the zulu kingdom alive not to serve the nation!! I dig the boldness of Limpopo people!!Report Abuse
Mzigo
EpistemologistI understand your view point but what I have come to realise mostly it people who do not any struggle credentials who will from time to time bring the ethnicity in the debate.
If anyone can explain to me how and when do you realise someone's ethnicity is it the way s/he talk, a name or surname s/he bares,language s/he speaks or the province s/he hails from?.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - Dont you recall the DA and their 'brave stance' against Zuma running for president?I do believe the ANC twisted it into the "Fight black" campaign.
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CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfricaI feel u men, SA is for south africans and all those legally in it. The uneducated can claim its for black people and the like but for the gorven ment to act like that is just not ayoba, this era is supposed to be for SA to economically strenghten so that by the time the Euro crisis r over our GDP is less dependent or even better independent of deals we do with them.
The SA people like acting like animals, even the educated, look at how we protest for wage increases, first it was Thabo now Zuma, if firing is the right solution the why dont bwe start by cleaning up the gorvenment employees as my logic dictates that u solve problems from the root, JZ is the leaves he fals with the roots if the tree gets uprooted.
we r supposed to be growing SA's capacity to export processed products, beef up our vtextile industry which has been declining since we had deals with the far east, but know we buzy fighting amongst each other all in the name of tribes, Pw Botha must be having a good one where ever he was rested.
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Mamlambo
ZONED3 - you are exactly correct.Nothing says "this is only political games" than when a group of people will vote for anyone except the person they are told to hate.
That is not a plan. that is not going to help anyone. Just power games.
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Buc4life
CYBORICO@Bucs4life
Isnt it our government who wants to take this agricultural land and give it to "its rightful owners". SA has structural unemployment. Seasonal, there is but it is very minimal because we export mainly minerals(gold, copper) not agricultural products.
Our economy is still owned by Whites
I dont agree with u here, SA has much of the agric land used for livestock farming and we still export meet from Botswana and the like, because we can get it cheap, the our own gron meat because of its good quality is sold on the export market to derive maximum returns.
Whats remaining of the crop farming land is slowly turned into crops that need little or no attention at all, i.e your macadenia farms, oones planted they take more than 10 yrs to mature(providing little employement in that time and becaming a wasted land interms of what it could have produced it it were for normal crops.
The economy is indeed still in the white mans hands, but I am not a fan of we have to take it by force, we need them and currently we are making sure that they feel unneeded, hence they are trying to maximise their returns in case they do have to leave this shores after we turn the country into a 24/7 circus
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Hi there. Generally, we import because it makes business sense to do so. Our own products are expensive. We import FROM, and export TO. Maybe, u wanted to say we import meat from Botswana. Well, Botswana`s currency is better than ours. Yes, we export to derive much needed foreign currency. we have to sell our products the same way the business has to sell its products.
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Nkasegobotsesephirise
ANCYL are out of thier mind.I was at Zimbabwe lately,guys the country I doubt they will not ressurect if SA can go dat way by putting convidence in this boys,U will regret big time.Batho ba ke bana,bana,bana.Bo Kabila(Malatjie)Ludere,Lebogo stomach is ruling them.mark my words,I work with them.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
@bucs4lifeI think it is their inability to link education with employment.
I once told this to a respectable univerity professor who was a head of his department, that the education in the school was below par, It was designed to make SA profesionals serve the interest of the coutries that get their raw materials from SA but not to empower afrcans so they can be able to provide solutions for their own delemas. U bet he must have thought excuses excuses, nogal a black man. look at where we are today, still exporting minerals, French companies get to scout our shores for underwater oil, where are the SA engineers? many will be hired to do admin jobs at the site while the real engineers will do the business.
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Mashesha99
Couldn't have said any better Jones, what this country needs is more rational people who can think constructively. Soon we will have people claiming that the ANC is a family business and this I am sure off!!Report Abuse
Mgwijikhwebu
The ANC has gone to the do'gs indeed. It is so shocking that tribalism is gradually but surely reaching entrenching itself in the once mighty organisation. The so-called democratically leaders of the ANCYL in Limpopo, who should be leading by example, have the audacity to try and sideline other ANC leaders on the basis of their ethnicity. I wonder if they don't see any dangerous with such reckless and dangerous rhetoric. On the other hand, they are taking their cue from the likes of Mbalula and Sexwale who have recently accused Zuma of tribalism. All in a desperate attempt to sideline ANC-KZN members and leadership. This is indeed a disgrace to have the-so-called senior ANC leaders suffering from short-sightedness. I wonder if they realise that by entrenching and promoting tribalism in the organisation leading to Mangaung, the same monster will not dissappear beyond the elective conference.The wor'se is still to come, take my word. Now I'm more than convinced that Polokwane will be nothing compared to Mangaung. I am expecting gigalitres of blo'od during that elective conference.
The once mighty ANC will never be the same. DA is patiently waiting to govern in 15 to 20 years time after 2014. Usually it takes decadeds after uncontrollable levels of corruption and total disregard for democratic institution for parties as dominant as the ANC to be dislodged from power. But guess what, with the movement of Dube, Moroka, Luthuli, OR, et. al. it will only take 2 to 3 decades to achieve the same feet. Thanks to a combination of ill-disciplined youth league, weak and indecisive ANC leadership, and leaders who are selfish and hellbent on acquiring power at all costs.
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Anti-rhetoric
Zuma is not going and no amount of hogwash from this factory faults with make us change our minds. Sa Muvenda mubikwa na ive, I so no to tribal politics. They preached the same language before 2007 claiming the Xhosas took over the ANC and that is what they are doing today with Zulus.We know how they operate, their politics is fear based politics and whoever calls for the leadership change will benefit from the incoming President as he will be indebted to them. Zuma told them I do not owe you and they wanted him removed, and Cassel Mathale allowed them and they looted State coffers for themselves and their families.
What is qualification for tender in Limpopo, you must be in the inner circle of Julius. He is the head of deployment and Ludere is deployed as chief whip in Makhado Municipality and he owes it to his master to fight to the bitter end. The hand that gives rules and rules forever.
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nkosia
Mxm ANCYL in Limpopo should be disbanded.We know that they cry foul cause most provincial departments have been taken over by the national office so they can't open the tender boxes and screw our monies like they did before.They can go to hell for all I care.Report Abuse
WarrenG
ANCYL must go! Useless movement achieving nothing, run by fools and trouble causers.Only good for sh!t
Time for mother body to cut ties with these overgrown 'teens' ie. 'youths'
Now fokof
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CYBORICO
@Bucs4lifeHi there. Generally, we import because it makes business sense to do so. Our own products are expensive. We import FROM, and export TO. Maybe, u wanted to say we import meat from Botswana. Well, Botswana`s currency is better than ours. Yes, we export to derive much needed foreign currency. we have to sell our products the same way the business has to sell its products
Yes import from botswana, my bad. As for what u say i strictly dont agree, first u need to feed your people before u export, why import something that can be locally produced. well the returns are good on the export market but for who, those who export(white farmes mostly) only and for the gorvenment with taxes. The real deal here is not profit but to create a SA that sustains itself, to achive that profits should be the last thing to consider, one can just manage the cost while doing so. Free rdpS, the grants, the high unemployemnt rate, the corruption, giving land back to lazy so called right full owners, all this will cause SA to fall short as we cannot sustain it for long WITH TAXES FROM THE WORKING CLASS.
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Buc4life
CYBORICO@bucs4life
I think it is their inability to link education with employment.
I once told this to a respectable univerity professor who was a head of his department, that the education in the school was below par, It was designed to make SA profesionals serve the interest of the coutries that get their raw materials from SA but not to empower afrcans so they can be able to provide solutions for their own delemas. U bet he must have thought excuses excuses, nogal a black man. look at where we are today, still exporting minerals, French companies get to scout our shores for underwater oil, where are the SA engineers? many will be hired to do admin jobs at the site while the real engineers will do the business
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Yes, and our unemployment rate will always be high unless there is a link between education and emplyment.U know, it costs a lot of money to import scarce skills. Doctors, engineers, architects are in great demand in our country. We have a shortage because our children fear Maths & Science. Then our government introduced Maths Literacy. This is not the same as Maths.
So, u tell me, can our government solve this. I mean they are busy fighting for positions instead of attending to real issues. If Malema was the president, do u think that he would be able to resolve this?
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BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - Dont you recall the DA and their 'brave stance' against Zuma running for president?
I do believe the ANC twisted it into the "Fight black" campaign.
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I don't buy into anything DA - I am deaf to that word!! I also do not mistake an Enemy for a friend!!
@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!!
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NTOMBIYOMXHOSA77
IM ALSO SINGING THE SAME SONG WT U LIMPOMPO YOUTH, ZUMA MUST GO NW, HE IS COSTING US TOO MUCHReport Abuse
ModiseP
Individual must go is an Youth League slogan.Yes an induvidual must go but there is procedure to be followed.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
@Bipolar@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!!
read to understand bro not to get through the text as fast as possible. I will forever hate that skeleton, so please. What i mean is that as someone who hated us he must b hapy to see us shoot ourselves on the foot
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Mamlambo
Can someone explain how tribalism is different from racism?Report Abuse
BiPolar
@CYBORICO@Bipolar
@Cyborico
More Rubbish!! How can you think that Pik Botha was the best president - when our people were treated like non-entities!!
read to understand bro not to get through the text as fast as possible. I will forever hate that skeleton, so please. What i mean is that as someone who hated us he must b hapy to see us shoot ourselves on the foot
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On this note - i have re-read your comment: We are singing the same tune!! I almost mistook you for an enemy --- apologies!
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CYBORICO
@MamlamboCan someone explain how tribalism is different from racism?
same stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism
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CYBORICO
@Bipolarno nkinga bro
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Mamlambo
BipolarPik botha was never president of this country, and is actually an ANC member.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - You are your own worst enemy dude. Already spotting your anti-white personfication of racism.Report Abuse
Secretary
@DandanZuma is not compromising when coming to tribalism. He was once interviewed which team he supports and he said Amazulu. The commentator asked him why and he openly said because they are from my tribe. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
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Mamlambo
Cyboricosame stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism
Then i hope we all in this country can recognise this and in each of our own minds be vigilant against letting it take over our politics.
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Makhosini0408
The danger of tribalism. I have spoken at length about this, no one seems to listen and now its no longer 100% Zulu or Xhosa, its 100% Pedi? sham. Its good that the ANC is reaping its own fruits.Report Abuse
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@NzunzuMamlambo
Cyborico
same stuff bro, just that in racism can be of a larger scale than tribalism
Then i hope we all in this country can recognise this and in each of our own minds be vigilant against letting it take over our politics.
true indeed, we made the mistake in Polokwane 4 yrs back and we cant repeat the same thing again come Desember
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somaartakeit
LoL they will also be expelled just like Malema, zuma doesn't take kindly to dissent/opposition, yinduna mos!Report Abuse
CYBORICO
Morning Makhosinijust want 2 let u know tha I think your comments bring value to this otherwise "gabage tin blog".
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Anti-rhetoric
These guys were original but they are trying hard to imitate their boss. This is what we call misguided militancy and radicalism, there is only one stupid Julus inSA.Report Abuse
Ayobas
Zuma will stay and serve a second term, sometime ago, i gave Malema advice of opening his own political party named "JUJU NATIONALIZATION PARTY" JNP. this he was talking about so called helping the poor, he forgot that he wanted to build a 16 million rand house. blikseem.Report Abuse
NTOMBIYOMXHOSA77
@ AYOBASthn its the end of ANC, if ZUMA knows wat gud 4 ANC, he must step down
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BiPolar
@ WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - You are your own worst enemy dude. Already spotting your anti-white personfication of racism.
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We have had an Online-Stage-Fight me and you recently -- yes, call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!!"Difference is, you ARE racist.
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kiii
@Ayobasa little research would do before we write. we all condemn people and call them names but in all honesty they are far more better than us. where is your proof of malema's R16m house.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "where is your proof of malema's R16m house."Come on bru. Its public knowledge.
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kiii
@Anti-rhetoric can you please lecture me on why Julius is stupid, for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over.Report Abuse
CYBORICO
@KIII@Ayobas
a little research would do before we write. we all condemn people and call them names but in all honesty they are far more better than us. where is your proof of malema's R16m house.
proving this is irrelevant to the whole issue, what we already know is he is interested in his own pockets and a bit of fame, the rest can be speculation or fact it dont matter we have analised him and reach a conclusive desicion about him. Tjatjarag!!!
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kiii
@WakeUpSouthAfrica which public, the propaganda of the media that hates malema which has not been proven. how many state security organs have investigated this claim and came out with nothing so far when it comes to those we do not like, we forget innocent till proven guilty by court of competent jurisdiction hence I say show the proof.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over."LOL, really? His crooked tenders are also public knowledge dude.
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CYBORICO
@kiii@Anti-rhetoric can you please lecture me on why Julius is stupid, for all I know, he is a very honest person that have refused to be bought over.
Hayi bo wena man, seems they only taught u to use the PC, stop exposing youself
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kiii - Is that your only retort to his R16 million house? "Propaganda of the media"?How do we know you are talking cr@p? Because if the media was printing nonsense, they would have been taken to the courts. Especially by Julius who is very anti-media, even though he loves standing in front of the cameras and the microphones of said media.
"how many state security organs have investigated this claim and came out with nothing so far"
They havent come out with nothing. The investigation is still ongoing. SARS announced that he owes millions on his undeclared income. The PP has been silent, and so have the Hawks. They are merely making their case. Watch this space./
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Lehido
Someone onces said "If you harness 4 donkies and took a trip ne, the sun set before you reach your destination, you decide to take a rest and hoping to continue with your trip the following day......In the middle of the night, you hear lions roar....You quickly jump up and try to harness the donkies back and run away--------------------When the sun finally rise you realise that you harnessed one lion by mistake (because it was dark).....WOULD YOU UNTIE THE LION NOW??......(Now that it's broad daylight).....
The moral of the story is - "THE ANC, ANCYL AND IT'S ALLIENCE PARTNERS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING ZUMA TOO MUCH POWER AND PUT HIM WHERE HE IS NOW (In the dark)....NOW THAT HE BITE THEIR A.RSES, THEY WANT TO REMOVE HIM BUT THEY DONT KNOW HOW (it's day light now)....
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@CYBORICO proving this is irrelevant to the whole issue, what we already know is he is interested in his own pockets and a bit of fame, the rest can be speculation or fact it dont matter we have analised him and reach a conclusive desicion about him. Tjatjarag!!!.......................
your analysis is not guided by objectivity if you do not care about proven facts, that goes to say that he is being targeted by the media and haters of his guts,unfortunately, gullible south Africans bought into it hence I ask a simple question to be lectured on what he has done that makes him so unwanted by the minorities. every allegation becomes a fact. I remember the day he embarrassed the editor that claimed he had a secret trust on a national radio metro FM.
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@Makhosini fact of the matter is that.Nelson Mandela who was a Xhosa, spoke in every one of his public appearances as a national leader.
Thabo Mbeki who also was a Xhosa, spoke first as an Africa.
Zuma who is a Zulu, spoke as a Zulu FIRST and is even brandishing his culture above that of the country, so you can not in all earnest try to pretend that any of the prev leaders promoted tribalism, I heard accusation that TM was a tribalist but those are wishful thinking from hsi accusers cause that man is an African inside out, most of his time in office was used trying to unite and put Africa on the global platform, Thabo Mbeki is too much well versed politically to advocate for tribalism.
Zuma is the one who has tribalised anc, you guys need to deal with this fact honestly, and what you see in Limpopo was harnessed by the tribalist leader anc has, so why blame the ppl if the leaders set these standards, if we as a country are against tribalism/racism we need to recall the president who doesn't represent our values.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - Julius HAS a secret trust dude. Ask SARS. Public knowledge.WakeTHEF***UP.
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Makhosini0408
CYBORICOMorning Makhosini
just want 2 let u know tha I think your comments bring value to this otherwise "gabage tin blog".
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Morning CYBORICO
Thanxs for the compliment and I also share the same view about you and other bloggers.
"gabage tin blog". lol
Its a pity that some of us are abusing this platform, but I guess, bloggers are exercising their freedom of speech?
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Flemza
I just ask myself is this the same guy not long ago he was saying he is for ANC and he can not go on living without ANC , but now he is anti ANC I knew it from the begining that this guy is there for selfish reasons he has never been there for ANC and the masses , if it was so , why now he is so anti ANC why cant` Malema just join Cope or DA and just leave ANC aloneReport Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
Flemza - I think hellen will laugh at him if he asks to join the DA :PReport Abuse
CYBORICO
@Kiiiu realy like this guy neh well let me revive the information on your head as u seem to have a short fuse,
Publickly insulting white south africans, inclusing the president of the opposition
publickly calling the president a dictator
mobilising the outsing of former President Mbeki
Publicky denying involvent in tenders associated with his company claiming to have resigned while he was an active director of such.
the list is endless, just helping u to get going, u can complete the list by yourself now
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaas far as I know, he is too busy building a country we shall be proud to call our own than to be distracted by taking uninformed and very biased media to court. at a time your media informed that it was a matter of days before he gets arrested for the followings, secret trust, tender irregularities, undeclared income etc etc, it has taken almost a year and non of the arrests has taken place. I bet if any of you that claim to be holier than thou is put under half of the investigation he has gone through, you will relocate australia or england.
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@WakeUpSouthAfricakiii - Julius HAS a secret trust dude. Ask SARS. Public knowledge.
WakeTHEF***UP.
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Its public knowledge that almost ALL anc leaders and their associates are tainted (corrupt) they can help themselves its an addiction for them, if SARS were to investigate all these ppl, they will have no time left to collect tax from the rest of tax payers, therefore we must vote anc out and usher in a new order if we are to save this country.
Even now instead of addressing our social issues they are snouting each other out of the trough, I heard that plans are afoot to snout Modise out, apparently there was a 'secret' meeting to facilitate that, and here the anc wld have us believe they have a robust debate within their structures, anc is SA's shame.
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kiii - It took the authorities even longer to nail Selebi dude. Julius is going down, watch this space.Report Abuse
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"JIGSAWPUZZELIf ANC fails and this country plunges into a non-governable state then i will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that there is something wrong with a black person....we are the hope of Africa and if the ANC fails South Africans,it will not only be SAn's they fail but the rest of Africa.
Back to the topic................ZUMA MUST GO!!!!! "
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I mostly agree with you, but in no way whatsoever should such a thing happening mean there is something wrong with 'a black person'. How can we cast a spotlight on the vast majority by using the reflection from a few broken mirrors (greedy and corrupted politicians)?
Remember that it took European civilisation over 1500 years to reach the levels of today, with much bloodshed and even a period called 'The Dark Ages' from 6th-13th century - 700years of intellectual, technological, cultural and economic decline. So regardless of all the bad press Africa gets, what the people on this continent have achieved in less than 100 years is remarkable and something to be proud of.
For sure there are many, many problems on the continent, but speaking from personal experience, there is a lot of good happening. African people are breaking free from the shackles of the past, realising that education is the key and embracing technology faster than anywhere else on the planet. Lagos is one of the most dynamic cities, it is so fast paced it puts London and New York to shame. There people just work, work, work and never stop, on EVERY economic level! They have developed such a passion for commerce, their banks are some of the highest performing on the global markets and business in general shows higher returns and growth rates than almost anywhere.
So we shouldn't be so arrogant by thinking that the rest of Africa cares about us or looks up to us with hope, as though we are some saviour. While we squabble and wallow in the past or sit under a tree waiting for handouts, the vast majority of the continent is quietly going about its business and getting stronger by the day - while we keep sliding backwards into our own 'Dark Age'. Don't forget that other Africans have also been oppressed and are still being oppressed and exploited. But just because oppression here was caused by the white minority, it doesn't make it any worse than say what the Congolese experienced under Mobutu Sese Seko for example.
It is time to put our past differences behind us and for all to individually work as hard as possible to achieve success. There are no miracle remedies for poverty as is continuously and falsely spouted by the anc and co. - only hard work! So embrace your 'blackness', don't allow yourself to be a victim, be pro-active and use the full force of technology at our disposal. Only you can make that difference!
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@WakeUpSA anc is going to give you guys (those of you who are threatened by Malema) Malema as a corrupt sacrificial lamb, cause they know SAns generally are small minded and amused by small things,how can it be a victory for Malema go to down when there are so many in the anc to whom corruption is a lifestyle?
Who gave Malema access to public funds since he was never an MP? non either than zuma as a reward for gatecrashing him into presidency, now you please must wake up and smell the coffee and start celebrating big events ie capture and conviction of ALL anc corrupt big fishes.
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Flemza
Limpopo ANCYL you listen to me in your dreams , Zuma is not going anywhere , Limpopo ANCYL keep on dreaming you are in for big suprised , ask Tambo Mbeki he will tell you every thing , aTsunami is coming on your way in Mangaung , just tell your Malema to join COPE or DA if he is so anti democratic masses of Azania (ANC) Malema is having free membership and paliamentry sit waiting for him at DA and COPE the choice is his , Malema must leave ANC aloneReport Abuse
kiii
@CYBORICO the question is what makes him an idiolt? reading from you response, you seem to suggest that making public statement as politician makes one stupid. From all I know, zuma had the same issues of not declaring interest to sars on time, mbeki publicly told us that selabi was innocent,zile called south Africans refugees in wc, mandela removed farming subsidy, etc,etc does it make them stupid? zuma has over and over again shown directorial tendencies and malema pointed it out for your sake. malema has his right to chose a leader to support and that is called democracy .as for insulting whites I do not know what you mean till you tell me how he insulted whites.Report Abuse
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somaartakeit - I celebrate the conviction of all corrupt government officials. Unfortunately they protect each other very well. Malema is merely the tip of the iceberg. The only reason why I specifically name him with corruption, is because its relevant to the article. Yesterday I was commenting about Winnie (corruption) and the MP who 'resigned' for corruption.The big fish is Zuma in this case, but we all know he will NEVER be prosecuted. Even if found guilty, the ANC/government will let it slide, because he is the president. The worst that will happen to him is a recall, or no 2nd term.
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@FLEMZAARE U SURE HE IS NT GOIN ANYWHERE? THN THTS THE END OF ANC, IF ZUMA GET A SECOND TERM KA DECEMBER. KUPHELILE NGE ANC. ONLY THOSE PPL FRM KZN WHO WL VOTE 4 HIM BCZ HE IS ZULU
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kiii@WakeUpSouthAfrica
as far as I know, he is too busy building a country we shall be proud to call our own than to be distracted by taking uninformed and very biased media to court. at a time your media informed that it was a matter of days before he gets arrested for the followings, secret trust, tender irregularities, undeclared income etc etc, it has taken almost a year and non of the arrests has taken place. I bet if any of you that claim to be holier than thou is put under half of the investigation he has gone through, you will relocate australia or england.
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Assuming that Malema were to be president, how in ure view should he tackle inequalities, unemployment, economic growth and crime?
I would really love to know because Malema brings up issues, but no solutions.
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somaartakeit - The bonus on Zuma/Malema, is that the general ANC voters are shown up for the sheep they are. That loud and charistmatic politicians are only using the general voter for their own benefit.They say things that tug on the heart strings of the average South African, and next thing everyone believes they are Gods gift to South Africa.
Meanwhile, the dudes are incompetent corrupt scumb@gs.
The more this type of hypocracy is shown up, the wiser the local voter gets. Im thankful for playing my part in exposing them.
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kiii - "tell me how he insulted whites."Dude, for real?
Ok fine, calling all whites thieves, murderers and imperialists.
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CYBORICO
@Kiiiyou request was to be enlightened as to why Juju nis considered stupid, we r not talking politicians bu Juju, anyway if mandela made mistakes does that mean we should forgive all those who become politician and make the same mistakes? hence u want us to replace Zuma with Juju,
Its helpless arguing with someone who values their feelings more than logic so that was my last beat to u.
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - "call me a racist -- it takes one to spot one!!"
Difference is, you ARE racist.
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The devil wears prada indeed and is white like you: Me and You recently had an episode when you were advocating that Zille is right to call blacks refugees in WC and children from Grabouw schooling in WC educational refugees --- you have a volatile mind!! When it suits you and your DA Agenda - it is all fine to be racist - when it does not suit you - you are quick to point fingers!! I am very allergic to you (their bloody agent), the DA and your propaganda!! Let's Accept that we will never agree on any issue!! We are both strong-headed!! and i am not a walk over!!
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WakeUpSouthAfricasomaartakeit
somaartakeit - I celebrate the conviction of all corrupt government officials. Unfortunately they protect each other very well. Malema is merely the tip of the iceberg. The only reason why I specifically name him with corruption, is because its relevant to the article. Yesterday I was commenting about Winnie (corruption) and the MP who 'resigned' for corruption.
The big fish is Zuma in this case, but we all know he will NEVER be prosecuted. Even if found guilty, the ANC/government will let it slide, because he is the president. The worst that will happen to him is a recall, or no 2nd term.
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I have been following ur comments. I really applaud ur analysis. Makes sense, and is consistent. Same with Somaar.
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@WakeUpSouthAfrica....selabi enjoyed the protection of the then president hence the time it took, now, whos protection is julius under. uit is a smere campaigh by the media and his haters and by now you all should be ashamed and short up@somaartakeit... irrespective of being in opposition with you on issues, I must admit you are very intelligent but it bits me if you do not know that secret trust is a crime and you are rendering sars culpable. I want them, to arrest malema if he has committed any crime. let me tell all of you haters of PRESIDENT MALEMA ,that all those propaganda were a trap set for him by his enemies in ANC and media. the overall intention was to get him out of the way by any means, now that they have succeeded in using the kangaroo disciplinary committee, all those trumped up charges are dead, if they did not succeed, they would have pursued them as to frame him up.
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@Buc4lifewe need to read you own analysis
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somaartakeit - Dont worry, still love you somaar ;)Report Abuse
CYBORICO
So news become propaganda when its about Juju and is true and correct if its about Thabo or Manuels? just askingReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Buc4life IF Malema were to become president (God forbid) then it wld be no different as with showerhead, only diffs then is that resources zuma corrupt anc enjoys today wld have been depleted to the point majority will join other failed states in receiving handouts from the UNAID, current leaders have no clue how to manage finances (personal) let alone those of a country, secondly as you can see our educ is deteriorating this means there is not going to be enough ppl to oil our economic wheel, that's why I often say, the anc doesn't understand investment they just grab the goose and eat it and its golden eggs,the anc ppl as they mercilessly raid public purse they are not ensuring investment, some of SAs ambassadors abroad are not doing much either to sell SA to potential investors, cause they are clueless adn also can not give assurances to potential investors iro out of control corruption cause they themselves are corrupt trying to extort bribes from wld be investors. IF nothing changes in the next couple of years SA will be f@cked in the true sense of hte word, cause already the few/shrinking tax base has to carry the burden of not only these corrupt lards but majority whose lives have not been changed since anc took over power.
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BiPolar - And I still stand by that comment. Your problem is, you are trying to tie the meaning of it, to some of rather 'racist' term or colonial africanism.People immigrating to other provinces, for either education or employment, are indeed refugees. Provincial refugees to be exact. Nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is, its placing burden on an already strained province with regards to housing, employment etc.
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@CYBORICOSo news become propaganda when its about Juju and is true and correct if its about Thabo or Manuels? just asking
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If you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!!
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@BiPolarwell said, do not forget you are dealing with the nephews of Verwood as such we do not expect much from them but to assist them get liberated from the clutches of racism and bitterness.
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BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - And I still stand by that comment. Your problem is, you are trying to tie the meaning of it, to some of rather 'racist' term or colonial africanism.
People immigrating to other provinces, for either education or employment, are indeed refugees. Provincial refugees to be exact. Nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is, its placing burden on an already strained province with regards to housing, employment etc.
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Wakey, you have lost touch with reality. The thing is the person who is uttering such kind of words is in a position of power -- and the gravity of the words can cause permanent damage. How can you call me a refugee in my own country ---- I have just turned dark like motor-oil with anger at your classic statement 'provincial refugees'!!
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@WakeUpSA I dig you too, but you must understand if I appear to be in opposition to your views, is not because I don't like you, but we must be objective and even be able to look at stuff from perspective of our opponents,Don't get me wrong on the Malema issue, I want him to be sorted out if he was corrupt, but I also want those who enabled them to be corrupt dealt with, cause it is to them that public trusted them with reigns of the country, ie Mothale, Zuma who appointed Mothale, I want the whole lot of this corrupt clot to be arrested so I will not settle for just arrest of Malema cause in my opinion Malema is a small fish in the big scheme of corruption, also Malema was a made a fall guy iro expulsions for so called ill-discipline cause these anc corrupt leaders are treating us like gold fishes who has memory lapses, they think we have forgotten that they Malema was a Zuma baby project, so why is he the only one going down for ill-discipline, and why must we be amused by this? I want the whole hog to go down.
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@WakeUpSouthAfrica.........hahahahahahahahahahahahahha when Jimmy manyi made even a better comment about colored people in cape town, it was all over and he was tagged a resist of verwood class,now you are doing all you could to defend the indefensible. if you are objective, you would call zile what she really is ...a little bitter racist.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Bucs4life you are very good too kiddo, I am always filled with pride and joy when I see young black women like you not taking a back seat, you gimme hope wena:-)Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
somaartakeit@Makhosini fact of the matter is that.
Nelson Mandela who was a Xhosa, spoke in every one of his public appearances as a national leader.
Thabo Mbeki who also was a Xhosa, spoke first as an Africa.
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I am glad that you said that we must approach this debate with honesty. I have been a critics of us, bl@ck people in terms of our tribalistic tendencies, which are to our demise. I beg to differ, remember that the Xhosa nostra, started during the reign of Mbeki. I am against this current practice of 100% Zulu boy, because it is counter revolutionary.
I am going to tell you my own experience during my days in the SANDF. People started complaining then about an unfair advantage that Xhosas were given in terms of promotions, integrations and at times, it seemed they were the oly ones that were oppressed. The majority of government officials were Xhosas in Pretoria and some with the same attitude as some Zulus today yokuthi siphethe manje. The division of the ANC along tribal lines should be placed at the door of Mbeki and Zuma. They had the powers to stop this stupid practice and turned a blind eye, hence the staus quo.
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BiPolar -So what do you call all those disaffected Congolese people stuck in Eastern Congo, trying to escape for their lives into Rwanda? They are in their own country, are they not?
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@KiiiHi5
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@BiPolar I agree usage of the word 'refugee' was really wrong on the part of Ms Zille cause a refugees is someone running away from persecution (politically) from their country of birth, I think correct word for the students was that they are migrants in their case migrating to CP in order to finally realise this 'better life' which was promised by the leaders and all those promises turned out to be a load of bollocks. But that should teach SAns to not trust politicians, we must measure their output iro election promises, if failed then they must voted out.Report Abuse
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@16-12-1838BiPolar -
So what do you call all those disaffected Congolese people stuck in Eastern Congo, trying to escape for their lives into Rwanda? They are in their own country, are they not?
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How can you bring Congo people into mix when we are busy addressing our own country issues -- I sure don't give a damn about what is happening in Congo until it affects me. Being called a refugee in my country affects me to the core -- more especially when africa is a continent for dark-skinned folks and the person calling bl@cks refugees is caucasian - how does one interpret this kind of behaviour? Two-headed-sn@ke
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CYBORICO
@BipolarIf you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!!
man like u read my mind I was reading sommar's comment and somehow i agreed with its content, and then it hit me that he might b actualy campaining for someone, he never applies his brain,except when he moves for the k.ill. the DA is capable of assigning people to do just dat rubbish everything by the anc then take advantage of the confusion by painting the DA gold. Wakey has not yet showed me that side, hence i take his comments as honest for now
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BiPolar - "If you read Wakey's comments -- it is apparent that he is using online media to campaign for the DA!! I am sure he is a highly paid recruiting agent!!"And if you read most of the Malema fandudes comments, its "apparent" that they are campaigning for the Julius :P
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kiii@Buc4life
we need to read you own analysis
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U obviously have not read any of my comments.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "How can you call me a refugee in my own country"Did you not read what I said? I especially focussed on the part 'provincial refugee'.
Not stop being a racist, ignorant dude and use that thing called logic.
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16-12-1838
BiPolarYour question to someone was: How can you call me a refugee in my own country ----
I am just trying to determine what you would call such a person? That's all, no need to feel inferior about it and get all defensive.
I'm with you, once again ;) somaartakeit. The correct words Zille should have used were desperate educational migrants.
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
kiii - "when Jimmy manyi made even a better comment about colored people in cape town, it was all over and he was tagged a resist of verwood class,now you are doing all you could to defend the indefensible. if you are objective, you would call zile what she really is ...a little bitter racist."Errr... why should I take ANYTHING you say seriously? As you have an apparent lack of 'the obvious'. Big difference between what I say and what Manyi said.
Urg, when someone with a clear lack of grasp calls me a 'racist', then I know you are merely grasping at straws.
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somaartakeit
@Makhosini I will not dispute your personal experience, but to me, Mbeki projected himself as a person who aspired to unite and fight for Africa to achieve peace and stability for her ppl, hence his African Renaissance project, but if the ppl (in your case) Xhosas were behaving like morons claiming that 'siphethe' then you should blame those ppl not TM cause TM wld have never supported nor encouraged such foolishness.That man carries same views as that of guys like Nkwame Krumah he believes in a united Africa, he also believed in emancipation of women (economically/politically and otherwise) hence in his cabinet we started seeing more women ministers. I think he wanted so much for women to prosper he forgot to do checks and balances on the deliverance of services hence the Aids/HIV debacle and M@nto.
As a leader I didn't see him pushing his culture and I can't blame him for the morons who abuse the situation to promote tribalism, but I can assure you that is not something he wld have embraced or encouraged, I am not his fan but I respect the guy cause I believe he did his best for not only SA but Africa.
That being said, he is not perfect.
And btw under TM was it not Modise who was chief in the army? what did he do against such tribalists?
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Mamlambo
Bipolar... this refugee thing si stupid. it is just a difference of interpretation, just like the magula thing was stupid.malema was not saying magula to be insulting or racist, he just understood the word in a different context to what most people understand.
Same with Zille. In english, this word refugee does not have a negative element like so many people seem to believe. It is not an insult, it is only a description.
The people who wanted to hate malema and ancyl all jumped on the wagon, same as people who want to hate zille and da jumping on bandwagon.
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CYBORICO
@Kiizuma has over and over again shown directorial tendencies and malema pointed it out for your sake
holy molly i missed this beat, look here buddy i am a very capable person who can take good desisions for my self, even when I do something wrong, I dont shy away and find excuses of making it right, i acknowledge my flops but still do those I cannot avoid. I dont need tjatjarag to point out issues for me, i can actually point out issues and provide solutions by myself, capital is my only shortfall u hear me?
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@Biopolar there is no political conflict in SA, but there are economic discrepancies so ppl moving away from this situation are not refugees, I mean really you must get this, why do you have to be educated about usage of English by ppl whose first language is not English? the problem with you guys is that you will defend the indefensible,granted maybe Helen didn't mean to offend but as soon as someone raises the issue with one she said the most human thing to do is to apologise and rephrase then problem is solved, but you Helen Zille followers are doing her an injustice by fanatically defending the wrong, come on guys lets get with it (honesty and fairness)
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
Mamlambo - Thats exactly it. Next time I'll try and sugarcoat the word 'refugee', with something like, the "previously unsupplied for encumbered relocated" or something silly.Report Abuse
16-12-1838
Hooray Mamlambo! Thanks for bringing some sense to the party :)Report Abuse
16-12-1838
Hooray somaartakeit! Thanks for bringing some more sense to the party :)Report Abuse
BiPolar
@Mamlambo:English 101: ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. I hope it clears the illusions you are having and can help combat the sn@kish behaviour you are displaying!! Who are you trying to fool?
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16-12-1838
Oh no, he has got the dictionary out...we are all doomed ;)Report Abuse
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somaartakeit - hellen apologised for saying 'refugee'. I dont. I think its a very apt description to describe the over million people we have that relocated from Ecape to Wcape because of unemployment and education. ECape education department is BANKRUPT. They have FAILED their own school goers. Unfortunately, instead of rectifying the situation (with a vote), those people move to the province of the political party that THEY VOTED AGAINST, in search of a better life.That puts MAJOR strain on the people living here. Housing, education and employment. The WCape doesnt get a bigger piece of the budget, because of these 'immigrants'. ECape has less people to deliver for, but they still get the same budget.
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Buc4life
somaartakeit@Buc4life IF Malema were to become president (God forbid) then it wld be no different as with showerhead, only diffs then is that resources zuma corrupt anc enjoys today wld have been depleted to the point majority will join other failed states in receiving handouts from the UNAID, current leaders have no clue how to manage finances (personal) let alone those of a country, secondly as you can see our educ is deteriorating this means there is not going to be enough ppl to oil our economic wheel, that's why I often say, the anc doesn't understand investment they just grab the goose and eat it and its golden eggs,
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Somaar. Its all about serving the ppl. The government is failing to do that,hence service delivery protests. there is too much hogwash about positions but very little is done ito service delivery. Unemployment is rising. Crime is a factor, education is a challenge, yet the government seems to be aloof about all these. I dont really care who is in power, as long as people what we(taxpayers) pay them to do. at the rate it is going, we will be another Zim soon.
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BTW Makhosini this tribalism thing sweeping our political space is going to need real leaders to eradicate it and I don't believe anc has such a leader cause anc leaders are populists not substantive and this tribalism is a direct result of this populism, it is foolish for the anc to allow this sad mocking of our democracy by projecting zuma to us as a leader cause this guy is using apartheid methods of divide and rule he prolly doesn't not have a foresight damage this will cause to this country, cause I doubt that zuma learnt anything outside anc politics, ito what tribalism/ethnicity tensions can do to a country, I want to quote Bosnia vs Serbs, Ruanda, Sudan, does SA need this?Report Abuse
16-12-1838
BiPolar -What does it say in there about how we should interpret: "Sh0ot the B0er?"
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@16-12-1838Oh no, he has got the dictionary out...we are all doomed ;)
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You have such a classic online presence and character!! ROFL
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - "ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."And in this case, the DISASTER is the ECape ANC provincial government.
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@16-12-1838BiPolar -
What does it say in there about how we should interpret: "Sh0ot the B0er?"
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Exactly what is says: --- it is our country and you are the refugees from Holland to be specific!! But for Peace's sake: we will call it a slip of the tongue and uncalled for!!
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BiPolar - LOL, this guy :PReport Abuse
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16-12-1838 - And in the meanwhile, Khoisan dudes are running around singing "Shoot the bipolar!"Report Abuse
BiPolar
@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - "ref·u·gee Noun: A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."
And in this case, the DISASTER is the ECape ANC provincial government.
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If we were talking in person: i will have slapped your nonsensical behaviour out of you!! You have thick foggy mind!!
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - If we were talking in person, you would be running away in fear dude. We know your kind, all big man behind the safety of your PC, but a coward in the flesh.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - PS, I dont slap. I punch :PReport Abuse
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - LOL, this guy :P
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@WakeUpSA it is encouraging to know that Helen Zille apologised cause at the end of the day she is only human and is prone to fallacies of being a human. My issue is for ppl defend this even though they can see that its causing tension, we should strive to get our opponents on board not seek to alienate them (this is my belief) and to win them over is to be sensitive to their issues. I know and you know that refugee if used in a correct context is not an offensive word.BTW WakeUpSA its not only now under anc regime that ppl have been migrating to provinces with bigger economies such as CT and GP, hence economic migration, there was also back then education migrants, I don't know why is Ms Zille making a big deal about this and in the process causing this fuss we don't need. SAns enjoy freedom of movement, it shouldn't even be an issue which province ppl chose to get themselves jobs/education. The DA must please understand that to many the restriction of movement of apartheid which resulted in denied opportunities is still a sensitive issue, that is why I think Helen should be kind to the DA and not contest leadership of the party and hand over the reigns to the person who is up to date with politics today. She did great work for the DA.
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - If we were talking in person, you would be running away in fear dude. We know your kind, all big man behind the safety of your PC, but a coward in the flesh
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I am a BOLD DARING Lion of Limpopo -- Fearless, Passionate, Unstoppable, Ready, willing and Able to do all and everything right now!!
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16-12-1838
BiPolar -To be even more specific, I am of French Hugeunot refugee descent and not Dutch. 1689 to be even more precise...and you?
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Mamlambo
BipolarYou can read the dictionary from front to back, that doesn't mean you will understand a language.
The word refugee can be used in many different ways to that which you have quoted.
Maybe you just like to cling to hatred, that is your own issue.
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@MamlamboBipolar
You can read the dictionary from front to back, that doesn't mean you will understand a language.
The word refugee can be used in many different ways to that which you have quoted.
Maybe you just like to cling to hatred, that is your own issue.
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I am English First Language and Had a British Professor teach me English at Cambridge University --- so i won't buy into your whaffling comments!!
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@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - But that is the problem in South Africa Im afraid. You cant say exactly what the problem is, or otherwise you are 'being insensitive', and need to 'apologise' or whatever.Report Abuse
BiPolar
@16-12-1838BiPolar -
To be even more specific, I am of French Hugeunot refugee descent and not Dutch. 1689 to be even more precise...and you?
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thanks for the confession: It clears the fog!!
I am a Black Tsonga Speaking Man, Educated, hailing from The Great North (Limpopo). Very Smart kinda guy -- Kick@ss style
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16-12-1838
Hey WakeUpSA -While we are getting technical with the dictionary and all, here is the definition of BiPolar :)
"Bipolar disorder or bipolar affective disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated energy levels, cognition, and mood with or without one or more depressive episodes. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes, or symptoms, or a mixed state in which features of both mania and depression are present at the same time. In some individuals, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, which is known as rapid cycling. Severe manic episodes can sometimes lead to such psychotic symptoms as delusions and hallucinations."
Case closed!
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somaartakeitI am glad that you are also raising the issue of President Mbeki and women empowerment. Its another issue for another day altogether.
I agree, that Mbeki is not perfect, no one is. We need to do away with this Zulu nostra now, once and for all. This fight between Zuma and Malema is getting out of hand and it has caused Lindiwe Sisulu, dearly and I promise you, Phosa and Sexwale are next, as the witch hunt is obvious.
The succesion battle is not open, I speak under correction here, but one branch in KZN publicly stated that they are supporting Zuma and the ANCYL has entered the fray, with playing it safe, supporting anyone who can dethrone Zuma, to get another ally made to manipulate? only time will tell. All this chaos in our political landscape are Zuma's own doing, (lugotshwa lusemanzi). He should excercised leadership and we will be discussing pertinent issues, not this tribal wars that the current ANC has drawn.
BTW, it used to be friends of Zuma and now friends of Malema, who is next?
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@WakeUpSA everyone of these leaders should be able to say what the problem and suggest remedies without being antagonistic, if along the lines you say or do stuff incorrectly and ppl can see that your mistakes are genuine they will forgive you, SAns are a forgiving nation, that much is virtue as a SAn I pride myself with.Report Abuse
16-12-1838
BiPolar -Apparently nothing can clear your fog except medication ;p
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BiPolar
@somaartakeit@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election
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You have a very valid point: but it seem we are between a brick-wall and a stone!! I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party) given the histor of this country. Yes, those are issues to be addressed and someone must rise to the challenge and uproot the corruption and bribery issues within the anc!
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@16-12-1838BiPolar -
Apparently nothing can clear your fog except medication ;p
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You can give me 'medication for my pain' right here and now on this blog!! by Speaking your mind!
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Mamlambo
BipolarIf you're english first language, then you certainly are driven by hatred rather than by logic.
Also, professor, it's spelled: waffling
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WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - True somaar *wink* (You still havent figured it out have you?). As for me, you could see, i was saying the exact same things as certain black commentators about Malema and about Zuma. Unfortunately I was the only one that got branded as a 'racist' with verwoerd as my uncle.Dont worry, i know that the fools who cant debate will rip out the race card to try and defend their very flaccid position.
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somaartakeit@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election.
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Somaar. that is the scariest part. Ppl cannot see that. Thet are so loyal to the ANC, it`s scary. Then again, what is the alternative party to the ANC?
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BiPolar - "I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party)"So whats your answer then? Keep voting for the ANC and PRAY that something changes? Doesnt matter who you vote for, DA/IFP/KISS/Soccer party, just as long as you deprive the ANC of a vote to show your dissatisfaction.
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Oh... my beloved and once mighty ANC... The th'ugs have taken over the once glorious movement, and they are busy running it down.Oh... Nkombose kababa....Lafa elihle kakhulu. UKhongolose sewaphathwa osikhotheni.
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BiPolar
@16-12-1838Hey WakeUpSA -
While we are getting technical with the dictionary and all, here is the definition of BiPolar :)
"Bipolar disorder or bipolar affective disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated energy levels, cognition, and mood with or without one or more depressive episodes. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes, or symptoms, or a mixed state in which features of both mania and depression are present at the same time. In some individuals, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, which is known as rapid cycling. Severe manic episodes can sometimes lead to such psychotic symptoms as delusions and hallucinations."
Case closed!
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On a lighter note: bipolar is only a pseudoname!! Damnit! On a serious note: you and your utterances cause people to have mood disorders!! --On a loud voice: I do not wish to loose sight of the debate -- so stop trying to derail me..
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Buc4life
BiPolar@somaartakeit
@Bucs4life, I agree we are heeding for ZimSwaziland if anc corruption is not curtailed but how many in the majority voting this corruption are able to see this? We will see in the up coming general election
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You have a very valid point: but it seem we are between a brick-wall and a stone!! I am of the opinion that we also cannot vote for the w0lf in a sheep's skin (the caucasian party) given the histor of this country. Yes, those are issues to be addressed and someone must rise to the challenge and uproot the corruption and bribery issues within the anc!
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Bipolar. Who can, or how can corruption be uprooted from the ruling party?The way I see it, ppl get positions because they fought the struggle not because they are competent to deal with issues. It`s like the country owes them something.
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somaartakeit
@Makhosini I was never a friend of any one (esp politicians) cause I believe that if we stop trying to make them out as mini Gods then they will take their responsibilities serious, we should be making them to sweat for our votes not be reassured of it even when they do stuff which transgresses against us, that's being participant in our own abuse, if these politicians were fearful of what will happen to their jobs if they didn't deliver they wouldn't be undermining our intelligence by doing witch hunts and fighting for position, they would be fighting to ensure deliverance of services, in other words we (SAns) are busy shooting ourselves in the foot by accepting anything less than their 100% output in deliverance of our services, I was reading about Eskom staff parties costing SAn tax payers millions, I couldn't believe it that instead of Eskom paying off their WB debt with their reported profit they are having a party, you see monkeys (ppl) see leaders monkeying around with our hard earned tax now everyone starts thinking they can are also entitled to do. I honestly don't know what more to say in order for the ppl to realise that politicians can only honour and respect their mandates and tax payers if they know something will happen should they put their foot on the wrong, notice that most countries tolerant to corrupt politicians they are most poor countries,Report Abuse
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@MamlamboBipolar
If you're english first language, then you certainly are driven by hatred rather than by logic.
Also, professor, it's spelled: waffling
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It is called a typing error! Sn@key!
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somaartakeit
Anyway boys and girls have to yourself a wondrous afternoon now I have to go face my dentist *wipes away tears* see you tomorrow if I make it through, lolReport Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
somaartakeit - Enjoy having some random dude stick his hands in your mouth :PReport Abuse
BiPolar
@buc4life@Bipolar. Who can, or how can corruption be uprooted from the ruling party?The way I see it, ppl get positions because they fought the struggle not because they are competent to deal with issues. It`s like the country owes them something.
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We must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!!
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As ANCYL we are declare that ZUMA must fall from the president of ANC at mangaung.Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
@somaartakeit. You are spot on again. My personal view is that people like you and some bloggers, who I must add are patriotic about this country taking the route of my mother land (Swaziland) and Zim, needs to be vocal irrespective of criticism from certain quarters. The masses are going to liberate themselves from the arrogant ANC by voting it out.I think that the DA has puts its foot in it, by patronising the masses in some instances. We need a new party that has no baggage, no political crosstituets like the Ziba Jiyane of this world. I am prepared to throw my weight on a party that is driven by the masses not priviledged few, elites or defending the rights of the previously advantaged.
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CYBORICO
MgwijikhwebuOh... my beloved and once mighty ANC... The th'ugs have taken over the once glorious movement, and they are busy running it down.
Oh... Nkombose kababa....Lafa elihle kakhulu. UKhongolose sewaphathwa osikhotheni.
Usho uliphinde, the anc is now like a engineless, wheel less and steering wheel less car, but to me its still pointing in the right direction, someone capable just need to assume responsibility of getting it back on the move. the opposition has not provided any real solutions except just pointing out the shortcomings of ukhongolose,
like i pointed out to Kii a good politician is not the one pointing out issues but the one providing his time to seek solutions. the DA, cope etc have done nothing but to point things i already know need attention. they better go campain in Limpopo coz there people seem to b unable to dertemine their own need but need a Juju or a Zille to point it out for them.
Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid, how do u stop people from freely moving in their country if u really mean to take care of everbody. the current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA)
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I know this might be rediculed, but I think we are allowing journalists to run our country indirect. Most of the things Malema is saying can be said by anyone but we do not have the same platform as Malema.Secondly, I once heard Gwede saying they will be leadership change in Mangaung, till to date I do not know what was the meaning of that. Most of the ANC top bros knows that they will be Leadership change.
Thirdly, I have never heard Zuma himself saying he wants the 2nd term except ppl concluding from what he is currently doing. But Guys do not be supprised come October only for Zuma to say He is tired of being the SA president he can not do it, ANC must get someone. PPl again will say he is chickening from Malemalism.
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CYBORICO
@TSHILISANANIAs ANCYL we are declare that ZUMA must fall from the president of ANC at mangaung.
oh yeah, so tell us maybe we will support u, whats the nearest planetory body from earth?
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BiPolar
Juju is simply the Black Equivalent of Zille ( Both with Racist Tendecies!!) But I love Juju!! Power to limpopo!!Report Abuse
Mamlambo
MzimbaFrom all the politicking that we see, ie. reshuffling of cabinet, supporting of zuma-backers in provinces, second-transition document, all of the indicators would suggest that Zuma is aiming at second term.
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CYBORICO
@BipolarWe must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!!
so how does Malema fare on this criterior u just highlighted?
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CYBORICO - "Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid"Zille didnt point this out, I pointed it out (If she did say it I wasnt aware of it).
"the current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA)"
Come on, what nonsense is this?
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MamlamboMzimba
From all the politicking that we see, ie. reshuffling of cabinet, supporting of zuma-backers in provinces, second-transition document, all of the indicators would suggest that Zuma is aiming at second term.
u r wrong, same trick played by Juju and Zuma to get rid of Thabo, u still fall for it. ($%% grumbling and uttering all type of insults, %^&&)
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@Wakey;CYBORICO - "Zille sighting CT's resources being strangled by the inflow of EC people is just evidence that she is working on the bulldust of bealiving we blacks r plain stupid"
Zille didnt point this out, I pointed it out (If she did say it I wasnt aware of it).
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You really sound like a VERY HIGHLY PAID AGENT for the caucasian party!! Your mentality is not any different to Zille's utterances --- so the shoes fit that what you have said - Zille can say it even better!!
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CYBORICO - Ecape resources used up by ECape immigrants is the truth. You cant try and villify the truth by saying something about ''plain stupid". Thats like BiPolar ripping out the race card because he cant debate.Report Abuse
WakeUpSouthAfrica
BiPolar - Whatever dude, Im not affiliated with the DA. Im not a member of the party. Last elections I voted COPE nationally (wasted my vote), and DA provincially.Get over yourself, stop getting your p@nties in a knot, rather learn how to debate instead of throwing your toys around.
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@ 12 Jul 2012CYBORICO@Bipolar
We must address the issue of how people ascend to power -- are they in positions of power on merit or they are there because they fought against apartheid? Are they capacited? we also need to do pyschological assessments, IQ Tests and much more. In short: hire capable trustworthy people who have the will to serve the country!!
so how does Malema fare on this criterior u just highlighted?
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Malema is an ORACLE not the best of leaders - therefore i am of the opinion he is a rough diamond --- and with a little bit of polishing (training) - he could be a contender for leadership!!
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CYBORICO
@wakeupsouthafricathe current Anc should guard against cape town being turned into what ET died praying for(afrikaner state within SA)"
Come on, what nonsense is this?
come on now, u should b aware of this, the afrikaaners wanted(naybe still do) to be given a portion of land with boarders within the SA land so they can do their b.oere things there. what Zille is doing in CT is excatly that . there is also a town here in SA that handles itself like afrikaaner state(its said u apply first to be accepted to stay there, no black maids, no black gardners, they say the b.oer is doing everything for himself there) and the ANC has been turning a blind eye on it, thats the stuff we dont need in the country.
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MaMlambo, I did mention that if we look at what Zuma is doing that might lead us to blv that the man is looking for second term.I am not a Zuma or a Malema maybe not even an ANC member, But I wouldn't trust any candidate choosen by the ANCYL.
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@WakeUpSouthAfricaBiPolar - Whatever dude, Im not affiliated with the DA. Im not a member of the party. Last elections I voted COPE nationally (wasted my vote), and DA provincially.
Get over yourself, stop getting your p@nties in a knot, rather learn how to debate instead of throwing your toys around.
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Who is fooling who?You are the wolf in a sheep's skin!! On a lighter note: at least my p@nties are clean, you see!! and the Big sh@ngaan toy makes for a good mate to play with, so i can throw it around!! am c0cksure - the admirers will beg for it!!
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The-Rothschilds
ANC must go.Report Abuse
Mamlambo
CyboricoErrr... are you saying that Zuma is NOT going for second term?
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BiPolar
@ALL BL@CKSI think we are all over-taken by tribalism and have lost our objectivity!! Let's take a deep breath and try to take a glimpse the reality of what might be going on here!
The Caucasian Party is using media channels to destroy our ANC -- we must be careful not to believe all that we read. What if Juju never said all these things - they are some utterances from the Caucasian party to help cause divisions amongst us!! I am smelling a rat!!
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CYBORICO
@BipolarMalema is an ORACLE not the best of leaders - therefore i am of the opinion he is a rough diamond --- and with a little bit of polishing (training) - he could be a contender for leadership!!
u lack in values and standars, i will repeat what I sais earlier, i said people should stop thinking with their hearts or allow how they feel dictate how they will act.
what u say about Juju is that we can afford to let him make all type of mistakes at the expence of the taxpayers(which is what is currently happening) all in the name of grooming him, while we know that there is already someone who is a finished product for the big chair out there?
Zuma came to being by the same process of "how people feel" and instead of learning that this method dont work u still want 2 use it and put yet another trialist to run the country.
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@The-RothschildsANC must go.
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No, you must go back to Dutchland/Holland: Sad to say: the ANC is here to stay --- whether you like it or not: The majority is black and and SA belongs to blacks and we shall rule our land!!
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CYBORICO
BiPolar@ALL BL@CKS
I think we are all over-taken by tribalism and have lost our objectivity!! Let's take a deep breath and try to take a glimpse the reality of what might be going on here!
The Caucasian Party is using media channels to destroy our ANC -- we must be careful not to believe all that we read. What if Juju never said all these things - they are some utterances from the Caucasian party to help cause divisions amongst us!! I am smelling a rat!!
what if Zuma is not interested in second term, what if Zuma is not a tribalist like he is called on the media circles? u are campaining for the wrong guy my man
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Mamlambo
MzimbaLooks like ANCYL is not choosing any candidate, only they will support whoever is not zuma who will stand for the presidency.
Personally i don't think Motlanthe is a bad individual, although maybe he does not yet stand out as a confident leader, i don't think he could have come to where he is without leadership qualities.
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Tsar-Rasputin
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Mamlambo
BiPolar"SA belongs to blacks"
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now everything is more clear.
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@Tsar-RasputinBottom line Zuma must go, even if Leon Schuster becomes our new Pressident let it
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Mickey-mouse behaviour!!
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@MamlamboBiPolar
"SA belongs to blacks"
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now everything is more clear.
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Am glad you can see the light --- do you mean you did not know that this is our land?
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MamlamboCyborico
Errr... are you saying that Zuma is NOT going for second term?
i am the type that accepts things onse they are made official, so yes until the ANC or Zuma himself states so i dont believ in all the rubbish being said about it. Thabo officialy said he will prefare the women deputy(aftre Zuma was suspended) to take over him, but guess what Juju and Zuma went about spreading the propaganda that Thabo was going 3rd term. So ya as much as i didnot fall for their trick it seems like the rest of u r willing to b fooled twice
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16-12-1838
BiPolar - Apologies for the late reply, I had to attend to a business callHere is my point of view brother and a civil justification for it. As I have mentioned earlier, I can trace my African heritage back to 1689 (and my European even further than that). So using logic and valid reason (323 years is a substantial amount of time in anyones language/culture no?), I consider myself African and my people a tribe of Africa - even though we were a little late starting out. To be denied that fact solely because of the colour of my skin is totally unjustifiable, illogical and is frankly...yes that word again...racist; no different to the inhumane and deplorable legacy created by my own people!
So where do we go to from here, that is the key question that needs to be addressed. Going around in circles, dragging up the past and throwing racial accusations at each other is counter productive and not resolving anything. It serves only to delay the process of success for this country.
I am in full agreement that the economic inequalities of the past need to be addressed and rectified, I feel shame because of Apartheid. It has robbed our generation (from all ethnic backgrounds) and those before us (mainly non-whites) of a great many things, I'm not only talking economically but also education, culture, security, compassion, sport etc. So shouldn't we try and overcome our history, together as one, with the African spirit of forgiveness to create a better future for all of our children?
The manner in which this is done is open to much debate and cloudy interpretation.What is crystal clear, is that it is the responsibility of every single one of us to make it work. It is not a quick process as attitudes take time to change and time is what is needed when healing. But equally, an accountable and honest govt is also needed to facilitate this process, this is currently not the case...we surely all agree on this one?
Yes the anc manifesto and our constitution are commendable but they are nothing without action, just letters on the pages of a well constructed document. I for one don't give a damn what party is running this country or what colour the president is, just as long as they have the best interests of our people at heart and DO what they actually promise. For me, the anc has not fulfilled this requirement and judging by what is happening now - never wil!
It is time to use our democratic right to vote (that so many sacrificed so much for), in the manner that it is supposed to be used, and to make that change. Doesn't matter who, because why should we endorse political power on those that care nothing for us and are only in it to finance their own 'economic freedom'?
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@Cyborico:i am not gonna waste my energy answering your comments as i think we have the same sentiments but slight difference of opinions. Simply stated: we see the same boat - but are not agreeing on what colour it is !
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BiPolar"SA belongs to blacks"
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Am glad you can see the light --- do you mean you did not know that this is our land?
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I can see that it will be pointless to argue with you.
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16-12-1838am in full agreement that the economic inequalities of the past need to be addressed and rectified, I feel shame because of Apartheid. It has robbed our generation (from all ethnic backgrounds) and those before us (mainly non-whites) of a great many things, I'm not only talking economically but also education, culture, security, compassion, sport etc. So shouldn't we try and overcome our history, together as one, with the African spirit of forgiveness to create a better future for all of our children?
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The question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
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BiPolar@The-Rothschilds
ANC must go.
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No, you must go back to Dutchland/Holland: Sad to say: the ANC is here to stay --- whether you like it or not: The majority is black and and SA belongs to blacks and we shall rule our land!!
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I have a Europeans passport mate, i live between Europe and here, dunno what you trying to prove???
The voter will decide if the ANC is here to stay or not, not you.
To be honest with you, a population can only have claim to a rather large landmass if they are able to defend that landmass from others. I do not think that was the case for you and your ancestors mate.........sorry for you.
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CYBORICO
@Mamlamboi don't think he could have come to where he is without leadership qualities
hey wena dont fall for that trick, ke mo mzansi here, we see people who cant do the jobs they were hired for getting promotions left and right because they can do PA functions for the managers, incompetency is allowed as long as the big boss can use u for getting his kids from school, compile his report etc. we see thyat stuff evryday. I was fan of this guy prior to Zuma taking over and have been watching him since, he is too quet to b a good leader, good leadership dont start when u get a leadership position, u can do it at a junuior post(u just have to hope your manager has vision otherwise in SA good deed never get noticed, forget rewarded simply because those who have to measure perfomence dont even have a clue how its done nor where to start))
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Cyboricoi am the type that accepts things onse they are made official, so yes until the ANC or Zuma himself states so i dont believ in all the rubbish being said about it. Thabo officialy said he will prefare the women deputy(aftre Zuma was suspended) to take over him, but guess what Juju and Zuma went about spreading the propaganda that Thabo was going 3rd term. So ya as much as i didnot fall for their trick it seems like the rest of u r willing to b fooled twice
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3rd term and 2nd term are VERY different things.
Zuma has much personal interest to protect, so i do not believe he will just walk away.
You are confident in your theory, but maybe don't be so quick to call everyone else a fool.
People don't all come to their conclusions on the basis of media 'propaganda'
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16-12-1838
Buc4life -A very good question sister! I wish I knew the answer to that one, I would certainly shout it out from the top of the highest mountain. I have my philosophy and views but like everyone elses, they always appear to idealistic for the reality of the situation.
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CYBORICO
@rothschildTo be honest with you, a population can only have claim to a rather large landmass if they are able to defend that landmass from others. I do not think that was the case for you and your ancestors mate.........sorry for you.
Dont like u at all but will agree with the above, i said it the other day when the first colonist arrived here he was supposed to be klubberd and fed to the lions, but no the warriors were in the mountains dying from peniss wound infections while trying "immediate transformation" from boy to man
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CYBORICO - "come on now, u should b aware of this, the afrikaaners wanted(naybe still do) to be given a portion of land with boarders within the SA land"Correction on TWO points, its not the Afrik@ners that want their own volkstaad, its the right-wing Afrik@ners. And they dont want that Volkstaat in Cape Town (WCape), they want it in Orania (Northern Cape) and Kleinfontein (Gauteng) - (from wikipedia).
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CYBORICO - Arent you guys getting tired of baselessly vilifying the DA? Using things like volkstaat, and whatnot?Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
CYBORICOWhy don't you like me?
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@Bucs4lifeThe question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
Champ dont be like a knife, b like a sword sharp on both sides. nationalisation is not a solution its far from being a solution. But if your real intentions are a quick buck at the expence of the masses then ya nationalisation is the way. Nationalisation will benefit the few who r connected to the government and thats it. so if u have no connection stop praying for it, nationalisation will be like tenders but only this time the gorvenment coffers(tax money) will pay for all the costs while the profits get shared by those in kick n bobozas who can speak in the language of the president and who dont mind l.icking a few a.sses to make it .
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Mbongo
Ag shame, poor disgruntled youth league. Who told you that TRIBALISM will survive in South African politics. Go and ask your bosses, PW Botha, Verwoed and your bantustan leaders, tribalism failed to destroy ANC. You are also going to fail come Mangaung. Who told you that ANCYL are king makers in the ANC, is Malema? He misled you boy. Very soon you are going to ask for Limpopo to secceed from South Africa for the independence of Limpopo because there are tribes which you do not want.Ag shame poor disgruntled youth league, you are frustrated.
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@The-RothschildsCYBORICO
Why don't you like me?
u seem to log on just so u can insult black people, some of the things u say might b true, but considering our delicate situation here in SA, your comments might be interpreted as views of all white people. u need openminded black people first before u attempt attacking black mens ways not just everyone, it backfires.
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16-12-1838Buc4life -
A very good question sister! I wish I knew the answer to that one, I would certainly shout it out from the top of the highest mountain. I have my philosophy and views but like everyone elses, they always appear to idealistic for the reality of the situation.
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Ok, we both know that taking from the rich to give to the poor does not and will never work. I think that government control must be limited in all sectors. Privatisation is the way to go in all sectors. after all, we are not born equal. Poor people want basic services. I mean, service delivery protests are sparked by lack of provision of these basic services by the municipalities. Then, the government must try to come up with strategies that will link education system to employment. Unemplyment causes poverty and a poor person is a liability to the state. Our government could have reduced the gap between rich and poor had it not been for incompetent govt officials and corruption.
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16-12-1838
Buc4lifeAs you and others have so eloquently put forward, I believe first and foremost in education - without that we might as well give up. The world is changing fast, we need to equip our children with every skill possible to face the future with eagerness and embrace all the advancements in technology with open arms.
The process: I would crush SADTU to start with and instill discipline amongst all teachers and ensure they respect their value, then build teacher training colleges across the country - making that vocation the most important asset to the nation, with desirable benefits to those who perform well. Finally once that is done, I would make all school education free.
Then allow a free market to determine which direction the economy should flow and adjust tertiary education accordingly - as per demand! Simple ;)
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CYBORICO@The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO
Why don't you like me?
u seem to log on just so u can insult black people, some of the things u say might b true, but considering our delicate situation here in SA, your comments might be interpreted as views of all white people. u need openminded black people first before u attempt attacking black mens ways not just everyone, it backfires.
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I dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races.
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WakeUpSouthAfricaCYBORICO - Arent you guys getting tired of baselessly vilifying the DA? Using things like volkstaat, and whatnot?
never meant to aim for the DA but when people campaign for it on the blogs and potraying it like the next Jesus i have to intervene, i like the country anyone who wants to rule it should do so in an honest and trasparent way. hence i will help in dissolving any DA propaganda aimed at what is otherwise ANC voters
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CYBORICO - Allright, gotcha.I think the "independant cape" party got 1% in the last elections :P
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16-12-1838
Buc4lifeThose that want to do well, will do well. Those that want to sit on their @ss can and won't do well. But every one should have the facility and opportunity to make whichever choice they desire, that way life is fair and it is down to the individual then...I did warn you that it was too idealistic for reality :)
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@TherothschildI dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races.
ya that might be your intention, but what eventually get read is a different story, same with me i get thip views that i want to put across but fail and end up sounding like attcking people, and the same views will b put politley by another blogger here.
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If Zuma is re elected in Mangaung, then the ANC will have to work hard to convince the general public to vote for them. If now we can do a survey about whom the general public want as the country's president, I tell you Zuma will come last. DA can't wait for the re - election of Zuma as they know it will divide the ANC even further.Report Abuse
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16-12-1838Finally once that is done, I would make all school education free.
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dont u think that the standard of education will drop with free education, considering that "free" basically means that the taxpayer is subsiding that education. Also, that might increase the burden on the alreadu heavily loaded taxpayer who must subsidise socoal grants, among others.
thae standard of education at "free" scgools is very low, hence the over-crowding at model-c schools. where parents pay fees.
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CYBORICO"hence i will help in dissolving any DA propaganda aimed at what is otherwise ANC voters"
Even Mugabe with all his propaganda machines in Zim is going to lose to the opposition again.
Without service delivery, propaganda is meaningless. ZANU PF cannot deliver to the people, they have run out of farms to dish out, and did not invest in production, hence, the MDC will take Zim in a land slide from ZANU PF next year.
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Buc4life - I thought education was already free?Currently, we are spending R210 billion a year on education (Almost a QUARTER of our annual budget). We are SPENDING MORE MONEY, than the next 20 African countries combined...
And yet we are of the least educated countries in Africa.
Far bigger problem here, than just money.
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16-12-1838Buc4life
Those that want to do well, will do well. Those that want to sit on their @ss can and won't do well. But every one should have the facility and opportunity to make whichever choice they desire, that way life is fair and it is down to the individual then...I did warn you that it was too idealistic for reality :)
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No, your point is valid. Well, in a free-market economy, it is survival of the fittest. We are not born equal. The problem we facing now is incompetency of government to ensure that there are indeed equal opportunities. Some opportunities are reserved for BEE. AA is not correctly applied, so ppl do not really have equal opportunities.
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CYBORICO@Therothschild
I dont attack any black people..................................insulting the ANC & Malema and criticizing the ANC is no attack on black people...................I attack politicians and ideologies and theories, not people or races.
ya that might be your intention, but what eventually get read is a different story, same with me i get thip views that i want to put across but fail and end up sounding like attcking people, and the same views will b put politley by another blogger here.
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I disagree, unless it is blatantly true, i dont attack any race or people in my argument.
If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with.
Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people.
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WakeUpSouthAfricaBuc4life - I thought education was already free?
Currently, we are spending R210 billion a year on education (Almost a QUARTER of our annual budget). We are SPENDING MORE MONEY, than the next 20 African countries combined...
And yet we are of the least educated countries in Africa.
Far bigger problem here, than just money.
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true. Education takes a bigger slice in the budget. then, u get teachers who go on strike. U get a minister, under whose leadership, books are trashed.
Education is not free in Model C schools. Parents are prepared to pay because they dont want standard to drop.
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CYBORICO - I have to agree with Rotchild on this one. Too many white commentators (like him, s1nudeity, robinh, vanvuuren) get called 'racist' for merely not carrying the same views as the current ANC dude making a comment.Report Abuse
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CYBORICO
@Rothschild"If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with."
not at all gun them down how u like
"Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people".
u will need to thread cafully here otherwise its not the anc thats going to feel insulted, epecially when questions like, wonder why people still vote the anc are included in your attcks.
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Buc4life - Yeah, I think COSATU plays a bigger part in the failure of education then Vavi will ever admit. SADTU (Strike and dont teach union - as hellen calls it), should carry alot of blame.Model C schools are neccesary. Especially in the current education climate.
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CYBORICO@Bucs4life
The question is how do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation?
Champ dont be like a knife, b like a sword sharp on both sides. nationalisation is not a solution its far from being a solution. But if your real intentions are a quick buck at the expence of the masses then ya nationalisation is the way. Nationalisation will benefit the few who r connected to the government and thats it. so if u have no connection stop praying for it, nationalisation will be like tenders but only this time the gorvenment coffers(tax money) will pay for all the costs while the profits get shared by those in kick n bobozas who can speak in the language of the president and who dont mind l.icking a few a.sses to make it .
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BTW, If you have been following my comments, u would have noticed that im anti-nationalisation. I was just asking a question.
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16-12-1838
Buc4lifeSure, that is the biggest issue I have too. But if our fiscal policy is managed correctly then it would be possible to do such things. A criminal amount of money disappears every year down a bottomless pit for many reasons we are all too aware of - stop that unnecessary shrinkage and implement good systems of accountability and financial reporting then we are all much better off.
As for the standard of education, it is once again down to good management and choice of curriculum. Regular school inspections, regular financial audits and well trained and enthusiastic teachers. Yes to get it off the ground would be a mammoth task but once operational it just needs control - like any business enterprise. And remember, a strong economy attracts larger revenue through taxation. Plus, less unemployed and uneducated people reduces payments for grants and housing.
I also think that we need to address the population growth rate, it is not sustainable. Both economically and ecologically but that again is not unique to SA but is a major concern for the planet.
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Whatt ever people can say,tribalism, factionalism and so on and so on,the fact of the matter is its becoming a norm in the ANC to vote a leader based on emotions,ZUMA aka SHOWERMAN was voted when people were angry against MBEKI,now they are angry against ZUMA and wnnt to choose another one based on emotions .wnen will this stop,some body said if MOTLANTHE doesnt do what they want which I dont see him doing,it will be back to squaire one,rather choose somebody who is willing to go with the notion of nationalization of mines,banks and land issues,otherwise him too wont stay.what's the point of choosing the man whom you will want out very soon after his nomination. Zuma's nomination was wrong from the biginning so people cant repeat the same mistake.its unbecoming.Report Abuse
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CYBORICO@Rothschild
"If you feel that an attack on the ANC is an attack on black people, then that is your own bit of ideology problems you need to deal with."
not at all gun them down how u like
"Nothing is going to stop me from going after a bunch of corrupt thugs that have hijacked what was meant to be a party for the people".
u will need to thread cafully here otherwise its not the anc thats going to feel insulted, epecially when questions like, wonder why people still vote the anc are included in your attcks.
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I cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them.
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WakeUpSouthAfricaBuc4life - Yeah, I think COSATU plays a bigger part in the failure of education then Vavi will ever admit. SADTU (Strike and dont teach union - as hellen calls it), should carry alot of blame.
Model C schools are neccesary. Especially in the current education climate.
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Yes. I think that unions should not be allwed in some sectors, but the government must come to the party in terms of looking after teachers, for example.
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@Bucs4lifeBTW, If you have been following my comments, u would have noticed that im anti-nationalisation. I was just asking a question.
my bad champ, just happened to come across the question in one of them post u put up here
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Bucs4lifeI think what Cybo was saying is that your question is faulty in itself.
"ow do we adress inequalities without resorting to nationalisation? " suggests that nationalisation is an alternative, when in fact the reality is that it is NOT an alternative to addressing inequality at all.
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Buc4life - Agree.Report Abuse
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RothschildI think you're mistaken in saying that the ANC is raping the public resources.
Certainly there are elements in the party who are doing it, but it is inconceivable that it's endemic to a man.
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@rothschildI cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them
every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at.
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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CYBORICO - "the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here"Here we go again...
The irony, you condemn Rotchild for saying things that could be construed as 'racist', but you are merely fanning the flames in your own way.
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CYBORICO - Have you EVER even been to CT? If you can find a whites only bar, I will buy your next Black label for you :PReport Abuse
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Cyboits people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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that just makes you a savage, nothing else. Maybe you also like to dictate who can do what and where, like people say of zuma.
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My good ppl tribal politic wont take us anywhre... both Malema & Zuma are full of S*(&t and it should stop & we hold the power to that, we must stop pushing their agenda....If I may ask what is the youth of Limpompo wants that is going to change our lifes: they cant just say they dont want Zuma because they want to nationalise the mines & get the land for free, our own ANC ppl cant even run the government dpts they in nx!
Limpompo is the worse when it comes to service delivery(schools dont have text books in june) why are they not fighting for that?
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@wakeupsaCYBORICO - "the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here"
Here we go again...
my apologies again, what I wanted to say is if he doesnot care about who hears what he says he better find a place where the people wont get offended by his utterances.
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CYBORICO@rothschild
I cannot bend over to accommodate the feelings of those who vote the ANC. Especially when I know how that party has raped the very public resources that was meant to uplift the people who religiously vote for them
every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at.
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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This is a public forum where i have the right to voice my opinion..........and if my opinion is against the rules of the Sowetan terms & conditions, they would of deleted me off ages ago mate. So you have lost this one im afraid.
"every action has its consequencis bro, so u better attack the anc while in the comfort of a whites only bar in CT not here, this is not a place wher u let out your family fumes at."
Talk about hypocrisy.
On that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else.
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MamlamboCybo
its people like u who i wish i can meet in the streets of pienaar, and hopefully i will b having my wolf outfit on as this days i seem to like wearing this fake professional outfit, i miss the wolf thing, given the right circumstances i wont hesitate to grab.
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that just makes you a savage, nothing else. Maybe you also like to dictate who can do what and where, like people say of zuma.
Not really, people r floping everyday and they seem to preach to each other to do more bad stuff, i will forgive myself it i were to do something bad, i have been too clean latley and i have been enjoying it,
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MamlamboRothschild
I think you're mistaken in saying that the ANC is raping the public resources.
Certainly there are elements in the party who are doing it, but it is inconceivable that it's endemic to a man.
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When there is a scandal in a company or any organization, the company as a hole has to take full responsibility, not individuals.
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CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :PReport Abuse
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@rothschildOn that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else.
cum on now we black people dont closed doors when we having fun man, except of coarse when we do our c.ulture things. u r welcomed in all d.arkie bars and they will make u feel special bro, mybe even hand u a Sophie to entertain u
Ya u can say what u like man, its your pc and the like, what can a black man say to u my man,as u said u r of f.rench r.oyal b.lood line
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CYBORICO@rothschild
On that note, i can guarantee you that there are more "blacks only" bars in Cape Town than anything else.
cum on now we black people dont closed doors when we having fun man, except of coarse when we do our c.ulture things. u r welcomed in all d.arkie bars and they will make u feel special bro, mybe even hand u a Sophie to entertain u
Ya u can say what u like man, its your pc and the like, what can a black man say to u my man,as u said u r of f.rench r.oyal b.lood line
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We only treated well because you want us to spend :)
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CYBORICOWhy would you want to go to a white bar anyways.........unless you into white vajaja?
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@RothschildI dont choose the color of the vijaja i chow bro, they r all soft edible to my weeny
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16-12-1838
Buc4life - sorry duty called again.In our specific scenario, I think AA is a valid argument for one of the rectification processes for past wrongs and I supported the notion. Initially I too believed that even though that person has not had the same opportunities as the minority and perhaps doesn't have all the skills, now is the time that a previously disadvantaged individual should get that opportunity. To earn the salary that that position commands and to grow into the responsibility of ownership of that position, under the guidance of people with such experience.
They and their families could then enjoy the benefits of this improvement in lifestyle, be able to pay for a decent education for their children, afford a nicer house...and so the whole process moves forward. So in theory and if implemented correctly from the outset, it should only take a few generations to serve its intended purpose and level the playing field.
My problem is that it has been severely abused by both sectors of the racial/economic divide. This would not have happened on such a large scale if it had ben policed properly and those in higher positions had not been corrupted by their own greed. So it really has achieved very little, besides making those with the right connections very wealthy and those affected by it bitter.
Perhaps I am way out of line by saying this, so apologies beforehand, but I think that it creates a negative psyche for the broader group of those recipients of AA. If someone kept insisting that my competition needed to be handicapped in order for me to succeed, I would feel more than a little inferior and cheated - regardless of past circumstances. Where do we draw the line?
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CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfricaCYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it.
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SharpSharp
When is he leaving???????????????????????????????Report Abuse
16-12-1838
CYBORICO@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it.
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Why restrict yourself to the confines of a colour and tribe....the world is a big place! None but ourselves can free our minds!
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CYBORICO
@Bloodriver w.ar aka 16-12-1836CYBORICO
@WakeUpSouthAfrica
CYBORICO / Rothchild - Anyways dudes, lets just drop it. We are all too sensitive about the entire racism thing :P
true to that, when colour or tribe comes in between me and my goals i really loose it.
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Why restrict yourself to the confines of a colour and tribe....the world is a big place! None but ourselves can free our minds!
ya man but in a country of 49 mil when your dream is to see all free and having equal orpotunities u might loos it at time when the magority seem to act in ways that take u away from your dream
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16-12-1838
CYBORICO@Bloodriver w.ar aka 16-12-1836 ... sharp dude ;)
A significant date to remind us all that in the face of adversity and betrayal, we can all triumph over insurmountable odds!
"in a country of 49 mil when your dream is to see all free and having equal orpotunities u might loos it at time when the magority seem to act in ways that take u away from your dream"
I hear you, don't let those dreams be shattered though. If you can't have what you want now, then fight and work hard to ensure that your children are able to realise their dreams...certainly your parents sacrificed a lot for you, it is a process that we all have to endure and respect is a wonderful lubricant to help speed up the ride brother.
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The-Rothschilds
CYBORICO@Rothschild
I dont choose the color of the vijaja i chow bro, they r all soft edible to my weeny
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hahaha keep eating man!
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Manyobafella
Vhamsanda....truuuuueeee!!Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
My entire family and I agree that Jacob Zuma must go. Granny says Zuma must go. Mummy says Zuma must go. My wife says Jacob Zuma must. My children say Jacob Zuma must go. My neighbours say Jacob Zuma must go. Everyone I meet says Zuma must go. Operation Dispatch Back to Nkandla has begun and I support it whole-heartedly.Report Abuse
viva
Limpompo YL is out of order, we are africans and we have culture, wht happened to Parent / Child respect? What Limpompo YL is doing is A Sound of Bitterness. Maybe in Limpompo young people do address their parents the same way they are addressing Zuma hay man no no no. Where is Ubotho and where is Batho Pele? Sometimes I think our continent is suffering due to these kind of behaviours. I know this is going to offend many readers 'Africa is a cursed continent' as they say the truth is always bitter The other day I attended the Social Cohesion Summit what was the outcome? ZERO!!!!! All what we know is to fight each other and let the Europeansenjoy the riches of our natural resources. It is sad to see young people bahiving like this while the rest of the world is developing in high speed. Look at China, Korea, India and many other countries the are not toy toying instead they are competing with rest of the world and what about us?Report Abuse
MrGreen!
Rudzani weh!,you are one senseless boy who doesn't even know what he is talking about,I don't listen to people who's mind is governed by other people,They have just put you there to push their agenda,soon they are going to ditch you if you don't know and seeing on TV involved in Fist Blows was an example that you are not matured eneough to lead anyone,u shoud just go to sheebens and start the fight there,shame to you Malema Tool.and dont lie to people and say only three provinces are behind Zuma,wake up and smell the coffee boy,even limpopo is 100% behind Msholozi and other provincesReport Abuse
Mctoff
Any thing but ZumaReport Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
I also say OUT MSHOLOZI OUT, OUT ZUMA OUT, OUT ZHREK OUT!!Report Abuse
mothikeng
the youth of limpopo... ask them about education they look down... all they know is parting... the reason why Malema goes around the local school making parties...Report Abuse
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