CHRIS Hani Baragwanath Academic Hospital management will investigate why emergency services took a critical patient to the hospital when there was no space to accommodate him.
Morning Memme
Very sad indeed i listened to Jozi FM shame maan it was not nice when the Brother told the media how his brother died Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Mellow
Excuses excuses excuses fact is this is how public hospitals works its not suprising at all so they claim he was already knocking on teh heavens door well sadly thats just not enough Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MommaC
"We had 20 patients that day, and the most we can take is 16."
Are they shitting us? The hospital is supposed to cater for the whole area and they only have space for 16 people in the trauma wing? WTF!. Thank the gods we aren't on a fault line or subject to other natural disasters or our country would be completely screwed Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MaRantsane
sowetan:( my comments or maybe ha le batle ke jwetse batho go e tsahetseng please sowetan Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MaRantsane
please sowetan people need to know whats happening give me access mos there is no vulgur there im trying to tell those youve missed the show on Jozi Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
BaleliM
This is just so pathetic. A hospital is supposed to look at a patient even though there is no space, stabilize and then send off to another hospital. So which hospital in the area did they expect the emmergency services to take this patient?
The complainant is not lying, i have first hand experience on how heartless those nurses are. Report Abuse
Akere they are busy giving tenders to their friends instead of giving it to qualified committed citizens. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Papage
"Even then, added Plani, it was clear that Tenehi had no chance of surviving. "In such cases where patients do not stand any chance of surviving, we put nasal tubes into them so that they do not choke when regurgitating. The aim is to make death less painful."
I am sick and tired of people who think they can predict ones live, if this woman says Tenehi had no chance of surviving, how did she knew that? It is bad how our own people who are surpose to nurse and doctor us are just useless. Some people are not called to do public work, but are doing it for the money. I cant beging to emagine that Soweto as big as it is, Their biggest hospital has only 16 beds for burnt victims, it is a disgrase, they must check their heads, where is the Premier, Nomvula vula vala talk to your people, we are getting sick and tired of them. I am not surprised petiants attack doctors and nurses at hospital Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
imd
"Our trauma unit was on diversion, which means that it was full. We had 20 patients that day, and the most we can take is 16."
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WTF catering for the whole of SOWETO?????? IJO!!!!! Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
dimpho_4U
Baragwanath's CEO Johanna More said: "Our doctors did their best under the situation.
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I doubt...mashaya Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
EMJay_001
@MommaC and Papagae,
I hold no brief for the CEO and management oat Bara. But, we have to consider things in context.
The main gripe of the family is that the patient was put in a normal ward and not ICU. We have to recognise the enormous responsibility placed on health care workers to make life and death decisionss in the face of finite resources. Like in any system, there are certain stratergies, for example, triage, that are employed. Tenehi's prognosis was bad (100% burns). Now, do you let this patient occupy an ICU bed that could have been offered to another patient with a better prognosis? These are very hard decisions to make and someone has to make them! Incidentally, the girlfriend got a bed in ICU!
And, yes, it would have been nice to have had a larger capacity at the trauma unit; nice to have had some communication system between the emergence services and the hospital, etc. but these things do not exist. Also, I doubt if they would have prevented Tenehi's demise... Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
khekhe
it is easy to talk when you are not working in the hospital. Things a bad a doctor can work 18hrs without rest. we are all human then you cannot expect people who are overworked underpaid with shortage of equipments to deliver. Things are not easy for us health workers and people blame others without doing any research. Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Knan
State Hospitals are a complete mess with poor service. Why make death less painful? Who is regarded as the best, that doctors see it possible to fight for his life. Why didnt he qualify to be treated that way
RIP brother, i wish some1 sue the hospital for that Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
imd
@Khekhe
no offence its the system that is messed up, budget is allocated to accomodate every resource needed for a hosital to fully operate...but what happens to it????
And then the attitude of most health workers DOES NO GOOD at all..........pity Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MommaC
EMJay_001
I am not blaming the doctors and nurses, I am blaming the DoH for not having a better system in place. What happens if there is a massive explosion (knock on wood) in Soweto and there are 100 people needing emergency treatment? The very idea that there could only be 16 people at a time being helped is just mind blowing. Even if there is communication between the emergency services and the hospital, the time lost by taking them across the city to another hospital will halve the patient's chances.
Doc Aaron has some MAJOR work to do before his NHI idea can even be considered Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
How ironic that during apartheid Baragwanath Hospital was "THEE" hospital in Africa. Most Dr, Specialists (if not all) wanted to work (some for their locums) there irrespective of race but now no one wants to "touch it with a 10ft pole".
One has to wonder whether the name change had an impact on service delivery, staff morale........... As after that it was a downward spiral............... whether money meant for good causes was spent on the name plagues, celebrations, new stationery, etc Report Abuse
Jul 12, 2012
Papage
That is why I said previously, some potfolio needs more than one Minister, just look at Dr Motswaledi, the guy is burnt out, he can't take it anymore, he needs support systems, Health Department is in tartas. The Police Mr Mthetwa, is he right for the job? I have know idea, the man seem good at pointing fingers and not getting himself dirty. We have dead woods in Government, they are just happy to get pay come month end. Report Abuse
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Memme
Im not suprised at all.Report Abuse
MaRantsane
Morning MemmeVery sad indeed i listened to Jozi FM shame maan it was not nice when the Brother told the media how his brother died
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Mellow
Excuses excuses excuses fact is this is how public hospitals works its not suprising at all so they claim he was already knocking on teh heavens door well sadly thats just not enoughReport Abuse
MommaC
"We had 20 patients that day, and the most we can take is 16."Are they shitting us? The hospital is supposed to cater for the whole area and they only have space for 16 people in the trauma wing? WTF!. Thank the gods we aren't on a fault line or subject to other natural disasters or our country would be completely screwed
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MaRantsane
sowetan:( my comments or maybe ha le batle ke jwetse batho go e tsahetseng please sowetanReport Abuse
MaRantsane
please sowetan people need to know whats happening give me access mos there is no vulgur there im trying to tell those youve missed the show on JoziReport Abuse
BaleliM
This is just so pathetic. A hospital is supposed to look at a patient even though there is no space, stabilize and then send off to another hospital. So which hospital in the area did they expect the emmergency services to take this patient?The complainant is not lying, i have first hand experience on how heartless those nurses are.
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MaRantsane
please thusang sowetan ha e mpatleReport Abuse
CAKE1
Akere they are busy giving tenders to their friends instead of giving it to qualified committed citizens.Report Abuse
Papage
"Even then, added Plani, it was clear that Tenehi had no chance of surviving. "In such cases where patients do not stand any chance of surviving, we put nasal tubes into them so that they do not choke when regurgitating. The aim is to make death less painful."I am sick and tired of people who think they can predict ones live, if this woman says Tenehi had no chance of surviving, how did she knew that? It is bad how our own people who are surpose to nurse and doctor us are just useless. Some people are not called to do public work, but are doing it for the money. I cant beging to emagine that Soweto as big as it is, Their biggest hospital has only 16 beds for burnt victims, it is a disgrase, they must check their heads, where is the Premier, Nomvula vula vala talk to your people, we are getting sick and tired of them. I am not surprised petiants attack doctors and nurses at hospital
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imd
"Our trauma unit was on diversion, which means that it was full. We had 20 patients that day, and the most we can take is 16."''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
WTF catering for the whole of SOWETO?????? IJO!!!!!
Report Abuse
dimpho_4U
Baragwanath's CEO Johanna More said: "Our doctors did their best under the situation.------------------------------------------------------
I doubt...mashaya
Report Abuse
EMJay_001
@MommaC and Papagae,I hold no brief for the CEO and management oat Bara. But, we have to consider things in context.
The main gripe of the family is that the patient was put in a normal ward and not ICU. We have to recognise the enormous responsibility placed on health care workers to make life and death decisionss in the face of finite resources. Like in any system, there are certain stratergies, for example, triage, that are employed. Tenehi's prognosis was bad (100% burns). Now, do you let this patient occupy an ICU bed that could have been offered to another patient with a better prognosis? These are very hard decisions to make and someone has to make them! Incidentally, the girlfriend got a bed in ICU!
And, yes, it would have been nice to have had a larger capacity at the trauma unit; nice to have had some communication system between the emergence services and the hospital, etc. but these things do not exist. Also, I doubt if they would have prevented Tenehi's demise...
Report Abuse
khekhe
it is easy to talk when you are not working in the hospital. Things a bad a doctor can work 18hrs without rest. we are all human then you cannot expect people who are overworked underpaid with shortage of equipments to deliver. Things are not easy for us health workers and people blame others without doing any research.Report Abuse
Knan
State Hospitals are a complete mess with poor service. Why make death less painful? Who is regarded as the best, that doctors see it possible to fight for his life. Why didnt he qualify to be treated that wayRIP brother, i wish some1 sue the hospital for that
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imd
@Khekheno offence its the system that is messed up, budget is allocated to accomodate every resource needed for a hosital to fully operate...but what happens to it????
And then the attitude of most health workers DOES NO GOOD at all..........pity
Report Abuse
MommaC
EMJay_001I am not blaming the doctors and nurses, I am blaming the DoH for not having a better system in place. What happens if there is a massive explosion (knock on wood) in Soweto and there are 100 people needing emergency treatment? The very idea that there could only be 16 people at a time being helped is just mind blowing. Even if there is communication between the emergency services and the hospital, the time lost by taking them across the city to another hospital will halve the patient's chances.
Doc Aaron has some MAJOR work to do before his NHI idea can even be considered
Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
How ironic that during apartheid Baragwanath Hospital was "THEE" hospital in Africa. Most Dr, Specialists (if not all) wanted to work (some for their locums) there irrespective of race but now no one wants to "touch it with a 10ft pole".One has to wonder whether the name change had an impact on service delivery, staff morale........... As after that it was a downward spiral............... whether money meant for good causes was spent on the name plagues, celebrations, new stationery, etc
Report Abuse
Papage
That is why I said previously, some potfolio needs more than one Minister, just look at Dr Motswaledi, the guy is burnt out, he can't take it anymore, he needs support systems, Health Department is in tartas. The Police Mr Mthetwa, is he right for the job? I have know idea, the man seem good at pointing fingers and not getting himself dirty. We have dead woods in Government, they are just happy to get pay come month end.Report Abuse
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