Wanani

Fikile, I believe you can do better at the Secretary position and you deserve it. You have my support
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takoskonvict

SLAIN KwaZulu-Natal ANC politician Wandile Mkhize had asked Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula to help him mend cracks within the party just hours before he was gunned down.
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it is not rocket science: cracks in the Anc are the result of tribalism. There is this tribe that feels superior, a tribe that sees other tribes as animals or izilwane, a tribe that resorts to violent under minor confrontation, a tribe that is not scared of blood- THIS IS THE TRIBE THAT IS CAUSING HAVOC TO THE ANC.
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Stumtum

@Wanani
Please tell me what has Mr Mbalula done to convince you that he is gonna be a great SG. Kindly educate me.
@Takoskonvict
Your tribal insinuations are disturbing because the sad thing that is happening in KZN also happens in other provinces like MP and NW.

People lets engage in a level of thinkers not populists.
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ThirdEye

Why the police always ignore if someone alert them that they are receiving death threat? Eventually, people die even though such things could've been prevented?

Honestly, this thing of killing each other in the ANC has turned to be a trend, it scares me. We are IFP now.
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MicaParis

We do not want to talk too much on this issue, let us wait for the Police to do their work on this! Let us hope that the truth is revealed! We do not want to see South Africa going the same way as countries like Rwanda, DRC, Nigeria and Uganda were politically motivated killings hit the rafters. Let us protect democracy that Comrade Mandela left us to prevail, the democracy which took the world by the storm, propelled by a Constitution which is number one and arguably the best in the world! Let us pray to God for all this historical legacy to remain save and protected for ever, we do not need political and Government instability in our country.
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nkomazi

They are fighting for power

remove tenders from politicians.




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Mokgaditse

Only if we can support ANC not people,then ANC will survive.We must have the love of ANC like Mkhize,he was a true comrade who I think did not support anybody but ANC. He was not tribalist, like he said if they are not careful Mangaung will be worse than Polokwane and true as he said, we may see another party coming out of the conference if people does not accept defeat. Zuma and some of the leaders are dividing ANC by the taking sides and appoint people to higher position without require skilled for that job, hence his resuffling of his cabinet. How many times must he resuffle before he get perfoming people, if he he gets second term I tell you we are going done slowly.
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Charley4sure

The ANC has been the sold to the dogs and Zuma as the Mafia. IFP
Agents have come with their tendencies to the movement. The
incompetent leader of the ANC of OR Tambo who speaks an inferior
language is to blame for the circus in the liberation movement. The
sooner they get rid of him the better. ANC has survive without IFP
Agents, they called us Mandela’s boys today they want to act as
holy cows and pretend they belong to our movement. The president
must just shuffle himself.

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imbabazane

...Ahhhh, so this is the "Mkhize" ? been hearing about him for months now, ewu hhe...Rest in Peace Mzukulu ka Gubhela, but ke isiZulu siyasho sithi Zibanjwa kweziwudlayo.

The fact ukuthi you were asking Mbalula to help tells me ukuthi you were "swimming against the current" as far as KZN politics are concerned. If you looking for solutions there are many Elder non-partisan Comrades you can speak to...not uMbalula, meaning ukuthi nawe ubuchemile njengaye uMbalula ndini lo.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Mkhize was gunned down outside his Manaba home on Saturday night, barely an hour after his return.

Police are investigating the killing.
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Why investigate if you didn't have the guts to serve and protect the life of a leader?

There will never be a solution or finding as to who killed himm for as long as it's a political killing. The same guys/police who'll be investigate might be part of the bigger elimination team.

Zulus (KZN) and Ndebeles (Mpumalanga) for you - they take your life if you don't comply.

Rest in peace comrade Wandile Mkhize.
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Milaneshu

@Mokgaditse

Well said...I think the road to mangaung will be more biblical.

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golly459

What police know is to invistigate not to protect?yesssessssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hail

Mangaung will be worse than Limpopo it is crystal clear! As for him (Mr Mbalula) to be the secrtary genarl is somthing else. The ANCYL needs to learn that the country is in this mess because of them, they not look at the capabilities of a person but use the favouritism which left us in the mess! All their choices are bad one all the time until they learn to think ahead that is when we can start listening to them.Very sad with all this killings, May his soul rest in peace. @ Third eye,True ANC looks like Inkatha now. @ Charley4sure Hey! the president must do us a favour and shuffle himself! Where are the people that removed Mr Mbeki? let them remove him too! WHAT ARE THEY STILL WAITING FOR? FOR THIS COUNTRY TO BECOME A BANANA REPUBLIC?
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Milaneshu

The road to mangaung will be biblical...
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mbondo

Descending into hell , that's where we're heading to. The 70s and 80s violence will be like a sunday school compared to what is going to happen now. Anc is divided already , we've Zuma's Anc and we've Malema's Ancyl and Malema is pulling strings from outside big time. People this is full scale war , be prepared for more ki llings all over the country. We're in this mess because of the Ancyl for supporting a rapist, a criminal ,a fruadster , an illiterate and a dictator. Zuma will never hand over power so simple, people will die first.
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Rayzermesse

@Stantum
Your efforts of trying to be a voice of reason blinds you of the facts. Mbalula has been a loyal, committed and creative leader to have come out of the ANCYL and the ANC itself. Mbalula has been a valuable campaign & recruitment leader of the ANC and i must say a very successful one. Mbalula has come up with creative ways of enticing members to the ANC, he is also courageous in that he was never afraid to go to Mbeki in 2004 and told him that they will never vote for him come 2008. This was way before everyone made a lot of noises about the removal of Mbeki.
He is a resolute person and has never shied away from making unpopular decisions, his role as minister of sports has done what other sports ministers failed to do-take charge and encourage systems that will operate in a way that will not need the minister's attention all the time. For example, he wants Sasscoc to handle all sporting codes and has encouraged this association to bring talented administrators like Irvin Khoza to join this association. Mbalula is more than qualified to be the SG of the ANC. Mbalula is not divisive and not even scared to tell JZ that he is dividing the party. Gwede on the other hand scares me and has shown his divide and rule character typical of dictators and is more concerned about his survival than the survival of the party. Mbalula for SG.
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Lehido

They all fighting to have power ove others, power to employ their own families and friends, power to drive the MLs and X6's.......
Power to have body guards......

They forget that you will die and leave them here on earth.......

I confess, the ANC became a mess after ZUMA took over and its time for The Spear on e to go.....

This country has lost confidence in its leaders because of statemets like "We need change.....", "So and so must be the GS".....
Polokwane made us a blow, and i rather had Mbeki serving 8 terms than have Zuma.
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mbondo

I am a Zulu myself, born and bred in KZN many years ago. I have seen many horrible things there. It is not as easy as a walk in the park to topple the Zulus , blood will have to flow first before you kick Zulus out of power. This is historical fact , we Zulus believe that if you want to push me out of my kraal , you have to be brave enough and be a man enough to fight me out and there will be blood on the floor believe me. As for Zuma he's a pure Zulu breed and you cannot change him , no amount of education can change that man even ANC itself cannot change him. A good example , here is Gatsh Buthelezi. Buthelezi is still there nothing shaked him even ANC failed to destroy him completely , he's still a force to be reckon with. Removing that Zuma will be like trying to push a goods train from it's tracks. Congratulation ANCYL this is your project and your baby , have a nice day in Free State in December.
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Rayzermesse

There is a systematic removal of people and subtle threats doing the rounds in every province and mostly the people doing this are pro-JZ. We have comrades in Mpumalanga complaining about this and there was a hit list drawn and the person found with this hit list has since passed away. I am very concerned about JZ building bunkers and Mthethwa using state money to build a wall that is fit to protect a war general. Also the removal of Sisulu was very suspicious. The continuing of reshuffling of ministers is a work of a person who does not trust anyone and done so as to destabilize people who are a threat to his presidency. For once, Juju is right this man will do anything to avoid jail. By the time wake up it will already be too late.
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DjEp

Hungry power ANC people, destroying themselves all over the country while we stand aside and watch.
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mbondo

A massive flop and a real f8ck up had been made by pushing out a highly educated President and replace him with a nonetity who had and still has dark clouds hanging over his head. Thanks to Mr Malema and his useless ANCYL.
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Mokgaditse

KZN is well known for political ki.llin,gs. starting from way back in Cross road era (1982) if not wrong. Mkhize, I think is just one of political score settling, baring in mind that there are people who joint ANC from the IFP and NFP who does not know what political tolerence is. Come 2014 election time, i think ANC is going to lose the vote to DA since people does not have faith in the leadership any more. Msholosi has lost it and it is time for him to give a person a chance if he has love for ANC, otherwise ANC will be an opposition party in 2014.Oportunists parties will also settle scores with their enemies (in KZN ) knowing focus will be divided from them to internal fighting(ANC). Tenders and fat salaries in the government is the contributing factors to people's life.
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Rayzermesse

@Mbondo
You seem to relish that Mr Mkhize lost his life because that is the Zulu way. Baba this is South Africa and we are surrounded by countries that do not like JZ. I am a Zulu and if JZ wants to threaten this country because of being a Zulu then he has one thing coming.
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mbondo

The tiger does not change it's spots. A woman who was raped by you know who was kicked out of the country. She is now living in Netherlands , a body guard who was suspected of f&cking his wife was found dead so you know what kind of a man we're dealing with here.
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Dandan

imbabazane

...Ahhhh, so this is the "Mkhize" ? been hearing about him for months now, ewu hhe...Rest in Peace Mzukulu ka Gubhela, but ke isiZulu siyasho sithi Zibanjwa kweziwudlayo.

The fact ukuthi you were asking Mbalula to help tells me ukuthi you were "swimming against the current" as far as KZN politics are concerned. If you looking for solutions there are many Elder non-partisan Comrades you can speak to...not uMbalula, meaning ukuthi nawe ubuchemile njengaye uMbalula ndini lo.
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musa ukwenza ihlaya umuntu efile , uphi umagaqa usehlala elimpopo na
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KAWUKHONJWA

Those of you are saying JZ is dictator and violent person you are completely insane. You have lost discipline and dignity yourself.
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Dandan

Nwanawamukalaha


uma sithi sonke siya le wena ufune ukuyakwakho kuthi umasekudliwa kube nguwe uhamba phambili uchaza ukuthini vele
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MORNACH!ES015

Then arrest Zooomerr !
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Dandan

in zulu they say "alikho izinyane lendlovu ladliwa yingwenya kwacweba iziziba" (no elephant eaten by crocodiles without a trace" so now we know the truth behind this , if mbalula was there , case closed
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malemaforpresident

All this is because shower head want the second term why should he want the second term? he must just withdraw his bid to contest for the second term before many comrades are being killed before Mangaung Mkhize won’t be the last one to be eliminated more are on the list of shower head hit men that man knows the reason that if his bid for the second term fail he is going to be arrested for previous corruption cases and the raping of khwezi remember the ANC youth league rescued shower from the jaws of prison
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lamolath

Good day everyone

Christian please guys let's pray hard for MANGAUNG...Mkhize is definetly not going to be the only one

And as for JUJU.. i think the expulsion was a blessing in disguise..i can imagine what if he was there at the policy conference with his way of telling it like it is.he wouldn't have cross Kranskop toll gate alive.

Eish mara...


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KeRataBasadi

Thats KZN politics for you, more deaths to come. Its the spear-campaign kicking up a gear.
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malemaforpresident

@lamolath
Christian please guys let's pray hard for MANGAUNG...Mkhize is definetly not going to be the only one
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True Mkhize will never be the last casualty of the Mangaung conference watch the space but i doubt if we will ever pray God for a politicians and win those are merciless creatures God ever brought to this world

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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Just looking at the sms my gut feel tells me that this was an inside job, and that is where the police should start investigating. It seems to me Comrade Wandile Mkhize was talking about and working on uniting the ANc around one candidate, who may not have been President Jacob Zuma. So, he was going to talk to ANC KZN leaders about this matter. The question is "who did Comrade Mkhize talk to?" and the answer to this question may well lead us to the people responsible for this heinous crime. One of the people he talked to, seems to have sold him out and gave the information to those "MK pretenders" who have been threatening Julius Malema and others who want to see Jacob Zuma removed from the ANC presidency. If Cde Mkhize was concerned about the "brain drain" in the ANC, it seems to me he had come to the conclusion that Jacob Zuma with his Standard 2 education, has become a shame and embarassment to the ANC. And he was gping to work on rectifying this mistake, and help the ANC correct itself in Mangaung. Polokwane was a big mistake and disaster. You do not elect a leadership hoping that it unite the ANC and the next thing it takes sledge-hammers and start bludgeoning children of the ANC to death, because it does not want to exit the ANC leadership. The ANC Youth League has been singing, "Where is Juju? We are not complete!".

Julius Malema has been saying of late that they actually plucked JZ from the door of prison. The man was about to put on those orange overalls when the ANC Youth League came to his rescue. Now that Comrade Mkhize is gone, it is time to tighten security around Juju, because some desperate people may well be thinking about Option B. It was clear at the ANC Policy Conference that the Zuma faction is losing ground as can be concluded on the basis of the policy positions adopted at the conference. While the Zuma faction was able to rally a crowd at the back of the hall, to their "100% Zuma" stomp, joined by non-delegates, they failed to convince delegates from other provinces, who held sway in conference decisions. Sihle Zikalala, KZN ANC Provincial Secretary was spot on when he said KZN even with its big delegation, may well me isolated and marginalised if it is arrogant and fails to collaborate with other provinces. I hate telling Comrade Zikalala, that it is too late to close the stable door because the horse has already bolted. All these double standards and hypocrisy around discipline and contestation have ANC members in other provinces up to their tether.It is only the naive and dishonest who believe that the expulsion of Julius Malema has got nothing to do with Mangaung.

Delegations from KZN, Mpumalanga and Freistata hardly represent ANC members on the ground in their provinces. While we are told that ANC branches are sovereign and have the ultimate word on any issue, the provincial leadership in KZN has already taken that right away. It is time for ANC branches in KZN to demand their right back. Mpumalanga and Freistata may as well give a management contract to the Mafia who will run the provinces for them. The ANC has to demand its structures back, and it is wrong for Gwede Mantashe to condone the ugliness in these provinces.

One thing I can say is that ANC delegates who do not support Jacob Zuma were very disciplined at this conference. There were no incidents of them spitting on Derek Hanekom, Cyril Ramaphosa, Jeff Radebe, Suzan Shabangu, Jessie Duarte, Trevor Manuel, Collins Chabane and others who were cunningly used to get rid of Comrades Julius and Sindiso.

I hope the Mkhize tragedy is a learning point for the ANC to start acting against ill-discipline without fear or favour. May Comrade Wandile rest in peace!
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Skopokopo

Was Mzwandile killed because he wants Zoomer nd his executive out?
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Skopokopo

Oh sorry Wandile
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WakeUpSouthAfrica

ANC people killing ANC people.

All in the name of greed and corruption/
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Mgaraji

Sowetan & The Witness newspaper version of the sms, the story and the observation are different. One newspaper is spicing the story.
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mozanana

ma ANC le bolayana okare lebolaya manyonyo ilanga lebuhlungu liyeza one day is one day leja chelete e etletjeng madi asena molato
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Rayzermesse

@ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
Jeslikeit!! you make me want to become a gay man...I love you man!! You're the man!!
People are fooled by the smile JZ has...the question is...What has JZ done for our people more than he ha done for himself??
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Dandan

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


cheap politics , we are very old for your childish politics , if you talk about discipline malemas people who was running after the president and manhandled by bodyguards. Malema was fired is nt anc member is in the archives right now, the NEC made a final nail , we are going to Mongaung to reelect Zuma.

In Limp Zuma has 50% share same to NWest, what ever you wish is a dream.

by the way didnt I tell you on timeslive , what did I say, KZN politics is different from other provinces, we wont fold our arms when agents are attacking the anc, those people coming to anc thinking they will loot tenders until the province is under administration , our children don’t have books, we are nt cowards , we face them , nt gonna be intimidated by crooks claiming they are anc. If you were heist gang now you think you can make living in the anc unfortunately forget

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Dandan

Rayzermesse
@ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
...What has JZ done for our people more than he ha done for himself??
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Interesting question, this is Zuma who got rid of Malema where Limp does nt have books, the entire administration is under administration compared to KZN, all what we are fight.ing for is freedom of charter to protect the rights of children.

In that sense we cannt allow malema to enrich himself at the expense of our children , what Zuma did against apartheid will never allow Malema to disadvantage our children.


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Nwanawamukalaha

Dandan
Nwanawamukalaha

uma sithi sonke siya le wena ufune ukuyakwakho kuthi umasekudliwa kube nguwe uhamba phambili uchaza ukuthini vele
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Sorry, that's hieroglyphics to me. Clear your point in English.
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Nwanawamukalaha

Well structured sub-article ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat.


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Dandan

Nwanawamukalaha

what is going on with you w.hite people , at first you said Malema is devisive when we stop him , you want him back, what do you want for sure
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Hail

If I recall correctly when Mr Mbeki was kick out there were bits of things that was predicted by Mr Credo Mutwa one of it was that the ex-president will never finish his terms. This he predicted olng before it was known that the ex-president will be a president. Even before people knew that the wil be a black president. Lots of things has been printed on that day that he has predicted during the 80s. One of the things that was there was there will be lots of fight among the ruling party that will course its downfall and that the white will take this country again. DO U REMEMBER THAT GUYS OR IS JUST ME? Because by the look of it with all the fighting that is going on, we are heading that direction. Can all those people stop the noise and take a good look of themselves, of the country of the people who put them in power!
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gwadlagwadla

What is exatly happening in Mpumalanga and KZN? Msholozi PLZ do something. As for mpumalanga just fire DD Mabuza and his crew. Should you do so trhis province will change for ever. As for the KZN Hhayi no u Cele kumele abuye.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan. Man!man!man! You are definitely an IFP man masquerading as an ANC man. The real ANC people do not think and operate like you. You are definitely IFP in your thinking and actions. Just because you wear an ANC t-shirt with Jacob Zuma's face does not make u ANC. The ANC has every reason to be ashamed of guys like you who are so recklessly rough and uncouth.
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Senganga247

Seems Wandile was seen to be talking to the enemy(Mbaks) and had to be silenced.
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Dandan

@ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


@Dandan. Man!man!man! You are definitely an IFP man masquerading as an ANC man. The real ANC people do not think and operate like you. You are definitely IFP in your thinking and actions. Just because you wear an ANC t-shirt with Jacob Zuma's face does not make u ANC. The ANC has every reason to be ashamed of guys like you who are so recklessly rough and uncouth.
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In response to your poor tactics to divide KZN ANC , the truth is, people like you who supported Mbeki in Polokwane against Zuma are now backing Malema to demonstrate your hatred /anger/animosity against Zuma, your COPE project has failed now you come back to destruct the progress of the ANC. The problem in the ANC is COPE people working with Malema.


IFP tactics are old, all Zulus were called IFP and Xhosas ANC, dont come with cheap politics of the hostel dwellers, masterminded by Eugen De Kok. Unfortunately, sorry we have been in politics more than you, we have been involved in activities that you have never experienced. We were introduced in umzabalo when we were very young at 5yrs of age compared to you who have started politics because of tenders, some of us do have any expectations for the anc , the anc gave us more than what we expected , the anc defended us to get education in trying times of apartheid , our parents were not educated, nt working, but they had faith with anc to see us graduating, therefore this is a call we are making to Limp children being distracted by Malema and his cronies.

The anc defend us against apartheid system which had no regard for a black child to get education. IFP and Zulus tactics , forget try another one, its an old story from the hostel dwellers.

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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan
Clutching for straws again. Your problem is that you are used to intimidating people traumatised by violence in KZN. Some of us by the way to look at matters from a principled position and cannot be silenced by subtle threats of violence. You did say in one of your defensive but again senseless posts that you were too young to participate in the struggle. Some of us have been in this long before 1976 Soweto Riots. we talk about things that we have experienced and witness.

Your reference to former President Thabo Mbeki and COPE is just unfortunate and obviously a figment of your imagination. You should know by now that Julius Malema has got nothing to do with COPE, as his blood is still gold, green and black. Not even Jacob Zuma and Gwede Mantashe's contrived and factionalist disciplinary hearings can change that. This young man belongs to the ANC and is not going to be excluded by a desperate faction. As concerning Thabo Mbeki, all I can say is that Thabo Mbeki and Jacob Zuma are the same height but there is no doubt in the minds of millions around the African continent and this country that Mbeki is a political giant and colossus, while Zuma is embarassingly but shamelessly a political midget.

I am still concerned abut these young people who used to go to eMandleni/Matleng IFP camps to imbibe Inkatha traditions and values. I have a problem that these same young people are now bringing their values and traditions to the ANC. They obviously need political education. Their plight really has nothing to do with Bantu Education. You can tell from my style of writing that I am no hostel dweller. Now that you have mentioned it, you may well be a hostel dweller. But as far as I know, most hostel dwellers are just plain decent people struggling to survive. There is no need to denigrate or dehumanise them.
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Dandan

@ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


Your reference to former President Thabo Mbeki and COPE is just unfortunate and obviously a figment of your imagination
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I wont take anything away from Mbeki, he made his mark, he had his ups and downs like any creature living in this world, some of his scandals are world class I wont go into details about that, same with zuma. It is interesting that you are very quick to defend indefensible when it is well known that Mbeki was an architecture of COPE, unless you need umhabulo , how long Malema has been comparing Zuma to Mbeki, Cope people have misled the boy to be where he is.


It is interesting that you are more determined by malema who is more concerned about enriching his pocket, ensuring himself has bunker over his head, no respect for Limp scholars and service delivery, Im saying to you the MKVA made it clear to Malema that they dont need him in KZN since its a different province, we dont want the mentality of Malema in KZN, evrything in KZN is running perfectly, we dont want to see KZN children without books and the province being put under administration.

A true member of the anc puts voters first not his personal ambitions first


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TheMaster1

@ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

I am giving you a bells.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan, To cut the long story short, appreciating the challenges that this country is facing, I am definitely not interested in a president who can sing and dance, let alone jiggle and shake his waist. The challenges this country faces are enormous; unemployment, youth unemployment in particular, poverty and squalor, inequalities, crime, sickness and disease, poor service delivery, and all we can do as the ANC is send a man with Standard 2 to the battle frontline and believe that he is the best we have in our rank? That is no better than sending a 10-year old with a toygun, to fight in the Second World War. Who are we fooling? Some of you guys who come from Nkandla and related, still desperately want him to continue, but knowing what this country is facing unless it fixes its problems, we say to the ANC "Get this man out of the hot kitchen! He does not know what he is doing! GET HIM OUT NOW AND SAVE THE ANC AND THE COUNTRY!"
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Dandan

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@Dandan, To cut the long story short, appreciating the challenges that this country is facing, I am definitely not interested in a president who can sing and dance, let alone jiggle and shake his waist. The challenges this country faces are enormous; unemployment, youth unemployment in particular, poverty and squalor, inequalities, crime, sickness and disease, poor service delivery, and all we can do as the ANC is send a man with Standard 2 to the battle frontline and believe that he is the best we have in our rank? That is no better than sending a 10-year old with a toygun, to fight in the Second World War. Who are we fooling? Some of you guys who come from Nkandla and related, still desperately want him to continue, but knowing what this country is facing unless it fixes its problems, we say to the ANC "Get this man out of the hot kitchen! He does not know what he is doing! GET HIM OUT NOW AND SAVE THE ANC AND THE COUNTRY!"
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I knew you really need umhabulo if you are a real member of the anc, there is no politics with you, you think you are politicking yet you are dreaming, your qualifications if you have dont assist you to analyse the complex situation SA is facing.

unemployment- The governance of Zuma is the one that has allocated more funds to IDC and Jobs Funds (R10b) to curb unemployment with Mbeki there was no such funds and it is Zuma who has been pushing youth subsidy fund , only to find Cosatu has different opinion. $2b has been channelled to IMF in order to protect western countries in crises , pity for you if you dont understand the implication of this arrangement.


Crime with Bheki Cele drop significantly from Thabo Mbekis era, by the way who denied there was crime in the country, refresh me whose words are these "crime what crime, where is crime,what crises ""people can whinge and whinge about crime until they leave"

Sickness and diseases- which cabinet displayed garlic and beetroot

Poor service delivery- is nt the one we see in Limp where our scholars dont have school books, where is the money, all looted to build bunkers in sandton.

The issue is nt about tribalism, where a person comes from, for the fact that Zuma is zulu he deserve to be hated the way you hate him, to be president of the anc does nt need qualifications , the basic thing is the understanding of the party's policies and implement thereof.

What is the point of designing your own policy only to find is neither nor government and ancs policy , "garlic and beetroot is nt govt nor ancs policy". My advice to you, go back to cope and continue with you shenanigans/madness for Shikota battle.

The only thing Thabo Mbeki masterminded was to woo foreign investors, it was fine , perfect, but is a point to have a more confidence than to develop blac.ks in particular for entrepreneurship as Zuma has shown to invest billions for IDC and Jobs Funds. Bringing foreign investors is like colonising SA again economically. how come a person with standard 3 can punch more than the person with masters degree, why, lets put aside what the man is doing on his private life , but focus on the deliverables, today SA is part of BRICS , why the man with masters did nt see that opportunity. A warning to you if evr you want to jeopardise Zuma for lack of qualifications I guess again, your anlytical skills are in shambles together with your qualifications whereas you fail to realise there are employment laws of the country specifically Skills Dev Act, which priorities prior learning recognition.


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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan; Very sad indeed, you probably have not heard of a concept called "context". Your muddled, hyperbolic, convoluted and illogical thinking betrays you. You seem to want to analyse and comment on issues you hardly understand.

First, let me disabuse you of your tribalistic position that we do not prefer Jacob Zuma because he is from KZN and worse. Yes, Jacob Zuma is from Nkandla but so is Bheki Khumalo who used to be presidential spokesperson for Mbeki and has been with the Ministry of Energy Affairs. Now, that is the son that Nkandla can be proud of. There is no point obfuscating and deflecting issues, the Jacob Zuma issue is not about tribe, albeit that his supporters have reduced it to tribalism in order to hoodwink the public and have their way. KZN has given us political giants in John Dube, Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, Albert Luthuli, Johnny Makathini, Archie Gumede, Curnick Ndlovu and many others. Even today, there are many from KZN who deserve to be elevated to prominent positions in the ANC and government, and among these are Sbusiso Ndebele, Dr S'bongiseni Dlomo and many others. And then ofcourse there are some great lines ones like Jeff Radebe, Blade Nzimande, Zweli Mkhize and some others who have momentarily suspended their mental faculties for political expediency.

As for Jacob Zuma, he is really out of his depth and cannot appreciate the gravity and magnitude of the challenges we are facing. Today he has got money to spend because Mbeki left an economy that was generating cash (look at the size of the budget he left and compare that to 1994). But our man from Nkandla seems to think that he can resolve the unemployment problem by throwing money at it. Unfortunately without proper systems and processes, that is money down the drain. Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan has repeatedly said that this country's biggest problem is not lack of resources but lack of competencies, expertise and skills. My personal view is that the ANC has compounded the entire problem by putting JZ in the pound seat, and future generations will pay dearly.
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Dandan

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As for Jacob Zuma, he is really out of his depth and cannot appreciate the gravity and magnitude of the challenges we are facing.........................."
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lol, I hope I wont be choked by your jokes at first you raised number of challenges, you got the responce again you raise challenges which are nt details in the par . It comes to my conclusion that you are real cope who did nt want anything about zuma , since he outsted Mbeki no matter what he will do, wont be recognised. Unfortunately, Zuma is still going to be the Pres untill 2019 and we will be supporting him as a leader of ANC not as Zulu like we did with other former Pres.


Alternatively, Mongaung is coming, go and exercise your votes which according to the way things stand , its very though for you to comeup with favourable results, if you failed in the last NEC to set aside Malemas expulsion, you have a mountain to climb and considering all the major provinces have already silently declared their allegiance.

Fortunately, enough Pravin Gordhan was referring to the very same incompetence by Limp Prov , where on earth the books that where supposed to be bought for R3m yet were bought at R60m
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Dandan

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The most important lesson that you need to know is, nt all leaders will be followed, if you dont like Zuma fine hold on untill his tenure comes to an end, but going all out to create animosity and distractions hampers service delivery.

The good thing about ANC, Pres comes and go unlike Mbeki who wanted to rule forever, I know that was nt an issue with you.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan
The issue about Jacob Zuma is not personal and has nothing to do with hatred of anybody, a matter you fail to appreciate. I suppose you find solace and comfort in believing whatever you want to believe.

As for Mangaung, fortunately I know now that we have enough firepower to send the old man into retirement where he belongs. Already six provinces will not be backing Jacob Zuma in Mangaung, but will play their cards close to their chests until October. The guys from the Eastern cape are smart and know what is good and bad for the ANC. The ANC Youth League and the ANC Veterans League will be routing for change. Even among women in the ANC there is a pervasive feeling that they cannot continue condoning and defending the indefensible. Many feel like hypocrites and Mangaung is going to liberate them.

Freistata will come on board once the shenanigans of the Magashule leadership and those NEC deployees are exposed. There is enough evidence to show that delegates to the Provincial Conference were not legitimate as they came from parallel structures. That is a matter that the ANC NEC should not condone under any circumstances, unless they want to destroy the organisation. Mpumalanga, in the same boat. KZN will not be allowed this time to impose its preferences on branches. By the time we go to the National Conference there will be many comrades who would have come to their senses, realising that KZN cannot behave like a political island in the ANC.

As for the old man, he will have plenty of time to sing Mshini wam and dance before receptive crowds in his retirement. Some of us cannot accept a song and dance in the place of viable solutions to this country's problems and challenges. I am happy that there are many in the ANC who realise that we do need change in Mangaung, otherwise the country and the ANC will be in big trouble.

As for the COPE matter, perhaps you should look in your ranks. I have never been a COPE member or been to their meetings but have been a card-carrying member of the ANC for many many years. My view is that all COPE members should come back to the ANC. We only have wait until Mangaung to see what the likes of Blade Nzimande, Buti Manamela and company will do. I just hope they are not going to form their own COPE.


Mangaung is a golden opportunity to unite, renew and revive the ANC under Kgalema Motlanthe. It is also time to get rid of that desperate factionalist Mantashe, who in desperation is fighting factional wars is trying to divide the ANC Youth League and ANC Veterans League. Mantashe should have long appeared before the ANC Disciplinary Committee for sowing divisions in the ANC. His attempts to manipulate and divide the ANC Veterans' League have not gone unnoticed. Such desperation should never be tolerated and I hope every ANC member is talking about it. If Mangaung were not around the corner it would have been appropriate to agitate for Mantashe's recall. Never before has an ANC S-G played such a destructive and divisive role as this man.

As for Mbeki I held the man in high esteem and still do, but I was never a supporter of a third term, never! I thought a viable candidate like Cyril Ramaphosa would enter the fray but alas unfortunately Cyril has always shown himself to have feet of clay. Cyril always misreads the political situation in the ANC. He probably expected some pats on the shoulders (for getting rid of Julius) but the coldness and aloofness of delegates at the Policy Conference must have jolted him back to his senses.

Dandan, I hope you buy yourself a truckload of tissues for Mangaung (to share with other comrades who still cannot see that the emperor is naked). If we were allowed to recommend brands on this Forum, I would recommend some of the best. See you and talk to you after Mangaung. I have to go out and campaign now. I have done enough in this Forum. I have won some over and lost some, and it is time to move on. The big prize is not in this Forum but in Mangaung.

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Patsekg

It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that this guy saw Mbalula as one of the central figures that the divisions are emanating from. The ANCYL under the leadership of Julius Malema started this by campaigning to oust Mantashe in Mangaung and replace him with Mbalula. If Mbalula had spoken out against this tendency then, he would have saved the ANC from these divisions that are now ravaging it. Those who are accusing Zuma of tribalism are completely wrong as there are people in other provinces who support Zuma but they are not Zulu speaking. Mpumalanga and Free State are some of the provinces that support Zuma and people from those provinces are not zulus. There are also people in both the Eastern Cape and Limpopo Province that support Zuma but are not zulus, so the argument that is raised by those who are causing divisions in the party along tribal lines is wrong. They are only taking advantage of the fact that Zuma is a very strong Zulu man who believes very strongly in his culture and its practices, so they think that makes him a tribalist. We know that Zuma is not a tribalist but a true comrade who is trying hard to build a united ANC but certain elements who are consumed by a quest for power are working against him to make sure that he does not succeed in building an ANC that is united. I am not Zulu, i'm Pedi but i'm not blind, i can see when a man is trying to do good and others are trying to subbotage him so that they can run around and try to convince us that he is a failure. Zuma is trying very hard to make sure that there's respect and discipline in the party but others work against him by supporting those who are causing chaos. Wandile's messages to Mbalula are sport on as he is one of the leaders who can stop these divisions by publicly denouncing those who are using his name to divide the party.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Patseng
Buti, we know you by now. We also know that your views on Jacob Zuma are not informed by reality. Most people in the ANC who are now opposed to Jacob Zuma used to be his staunch supporters, and after what we have experienced under his leadership, have now changed their minds. If it were not for his disappointing leadership many of these people would still support him. However, what we must also admit is that there are people and families that have benefitted under Zuma, and they will be disappointed to see him go. And then there are those who think through their obsequious submission and deference to Zuma factionalists they will also have a piece of the pie. And they obviously do not think in the interest of the country. There is no point for the ANC to keep an old man so obviously out of his depth in such a top position. If we do not correct this mistake in Mangaung, future generations will judge us harshly.
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Dandan

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well said indeed, it is sad that we have people like this Progressive who does nt forgive and forget in this country , you remember when they were embarrassed in polokwane, they said they need a come back strategy, obvious the man is still carrying the anger of polokwane, where was this person coming from, after 10yrs still angry, if defeated again in Mongaung we need to be ready for chaos in SA , some other people are animals indeed.


The reality of the matter is:

• 514 from KwaZulu-Natal, = 24%
• 420 from the Eastern Cape; = 22%
• 240 from Gauteng, = 12%
• 226 from Mpumalanga; = 10%
• 106 from the Western Cape, = 4%
• 217 from North West; = 6%
• 106 from Northern Cape; = 4%
• 250 from Limpopo; 12% and
• 162 from the Free State = 7%


let us analyse this stat , what is says, Zuma is pulling the entire provinces in Mpu, KZN, FS, and 50% from Limp , NW,NCape,WC, GP and ECape. The biggest provinces where the biggest share has decided


Malemas camp is more strong in NCape where delegates are 6% and WCape with 4% that’s the drop in the ocean, in Limp there was clear land mark when the Prov had elect Conf where Mathale won by crook, he went away with 51% in actual fact he lost the elections in Limp .

SACP, Cosatu is behind Zuma, MKVA , as we talk Vavi seems to through his weight behind Zuma after his tactics failed , he was shown a middle finger in NUM conference , he thought he owns Cosatu only to find Zuma is mastermind of campaigning.

Just to clear myself I dont support Zuma camp, but I will bet for him to continue other than bringing back Malema through Kgalema to destroy our country and sow division in the ANC , I will rather remain with the devil I know.










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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan:Thanks but no thanks for your pseudo-analysis.

I think it is a good thing that you guys think you are going to win in Mangaung. 100% for Zuma in KZN, Mpumalanga and Free State when there are such deep divisions in these provinces, with people killing each other in KZN. But it is good that you think you are on the winning side. But if you had been at the Policy Conference you would have realised that six provinces are not going to go with Zuma, while Mpumalanga and Freistata had rigged lists of delegates, something that is not going to be allowed in Mangaung.

COSATU, MKVA and SACP do not vote in Mangaung. Only ANC branches and members will vote. Kgalema Motlanthe is no proxy for Julius Malema. Motlanthe is not controlled by Julius and he is an independent thinker. Anyone who thinks that Motlanthe is in Malema's pocket should know that they believe a deliberate lie. Malema's case is very simple. The reason he is out of the ANC has got nothing to do with discipline. Malema is coming back to the ANC after Mangaung and he is going to be in the first intake for political education. You should know by now that the ANC Youth League has never pretended that it runs the country but it does have a big influence on who gets elected to the ANC's leadership. It also has a big influence on policy formulation. Jacob Zuma benefitted from that influence but now that the tables have turned, he wants to destroy the Youth League or turn it into his own lapdog. That cannot be allowed.

As for Polokwane, you seem to be fixated with Polokwane and still intoxicated by that victory. It is the people who put Jacob Zuma in his position (as Mbalula says) who are going to remove him in Mangaung. That is inevitable and there is nothing Jacob Zuma can do now to reverse that. He is staring defeat right in the face. I hope he will have enough courage to throw in the towel when he realises that he is not going to win this one this time. Mbeki accepted defeat and moved on in the unterest of the ANC. Let us see if the man from Nkandla is going to accept defeat gracefully and bow out, or is he going to try and destroy the entire ANC as he is trying with the Youth League?

The truth about Limpopo's textbooks is coming out. The non-delivery of textbooks in Limpopo has got nothing to do with Malema but everything to do with a Zuma man. Get out and get yourself a copy of the Mail & Guardian and you will find out what is going on. I hope you will be objective thereafter, and appreciate the truth and stop your recklessly uncouth behaviour in Forum. You refer to animals, some animals deal with each other through force, exactly what you are doing in KZN and your posts shamelessly boast about this. That is un-ANC and that is why I say your ilk does not belong in the ANC. Now get lost, and start preparing your principal for his defeat in Mangaung.
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Dandan

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COSATU, MKVA and SACP do not vote in Mangaung............"
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I give up , rest my case, when did you join the anc, if you member how many cards do you have, this is disgarce for you, embarrassment.

members have three cards/dual membership Iam refering to myself I have one for cosatu affiliate, anc and sacp cards geeese I told you, you are cope, you dont know the business of alliance
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Dandan; Nice to give up when you are not winning the battle but please try to stick to the facts and not try and manufacture them on the hoof. Here is the reality. ANC % of delegates to the ANC National Conference are nominated by ANC branches. The rest come from structures such as the ANC Youth League, ANC Women's League, ANC Veterans League, ANC NEC and other ANC structures arouind the country. There are no COSATU, SACP and MKVA delegations that are going to vote in Mangaung. The best they can do is try and persuade ANC delegates but the ANC Youth League is in a much better position to do so.

Now on another matter, how many a times must I remind you about my membership of the ANC? Your arrogance and ignorance as well as subtle threats of violence and intimidation, are what is alienating you and other delegates from KZN, from the rest of the ANC as happened at the Policy Conference. It is just sad that someone saw fit to end the life of Wandile Mkhize. I just hope it is not a friend or colleague of somoene in Forum who keeps on making foolish threats of violence with sheer abandon. I am convinced that the Giver of Life will require the blood of Wandile Mkhize from those who rained the hail of bullets on this young man.


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KHULWANENAPEIII

Well.i wonder if we have lost a great leadership in Mkize.OR another NYL mafia.
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